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Windows 10 on ARM is here to stay whether you like it or not

For some reason, there are a fair few people out there who have something against Windows 10 on ARM. I've seen comments calling it slow, dumb, and "another Windows RT." It's most likely these people are just ill-informed because Windows 10 on ARM isn't any of those things. A lot of people seem to think this whole Windows on ARM thing will eventually blow over, but just this week Qualcomm and Microsoft announced a brand-new ARM processor specifically for Windows 10 on ARM devices. This is just the beginning of Windows' reign in ARM-based computing, meaning it's here to stay whether you like it or not.

Many people have been oddly fixated on the performance of emulated x86 apps on Windows 10 on ARM, and while it is slower than native performance, it isn't terrible in the slightest. I've been using Windows 10 on ARM for some time now, and I can say with confidence that the emulation layer is good enough for general use. Of course, this will depend on the type of apps you use, but that's fine for now because the emulation layer is only really there to catch any apps that haven't been compiled for ARM in this "soft-launch" period of ARM-based Windows 10 devices.

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More ARM processors for Windows

The real push for Windows 10 on ARM starts later this year, with the Snapdragon 850. This is the first "proper" chip designed specifically for Windows 10 on ARM, and it brings with it lots of improvements that will make using Windows 10 on ARM devices much better. Using Windows 10 on ARM today with the Snapdragon 835 is fine, more than fine, in fact. I'd say it performs like an Intel Core i3 when using natively compiled software; that is the OS, inbox apps, and most Store apps. Windows 10 itself absolutely flies on a Snapdragon 835, with the only performance slowdowns happening with emulated apps.

This should improve over time thanks to more powerful processors, but it should also improve on the Snapdragon 835 devices too. Once Microsoft releases the updated SDK that allows developers to compile their apps for ARM, we should see many of them update their apps for native support on Windows 10 on ARM which will bring with it lots of performance improvements for those apps. This means that while Google Chrome today is slower on the Snapdragon 835, if Google compiles for ARM, that app will run natively and not have to be emulated, meaning it'll perform much faster.

App performance on the Snapdragon 835 will improve over time.

We should start seeing more apps compiled for ARM around the same time the Snapdragon 850 launches, so that when these new Snapdragon 850 powered devices launch, there will already be a plethora of apps that support it natively. And even if an app doesn't natively support it, it will still run in the emulation layer, and faster, thanks to the Snapdragon 850's improved performance. It's important to not forget that Windows 10 on ARM is just another architecture, it's not an entire new operating system that's locked to UWP. A developer can compile its legacy desktop app for ARM, and have it run on Windows 10 on ARM just like it does on Windows 10 x86.

So, while right now a lot of people seem to think Windows 10 on ARM is slow, that reputation shouldn't last long. When more Windows 10 on ARM devices start shipping later this year, most normal people won't even notice or care that the device they're buying is an ARM one. Even if developers don't compile their apps for ARM, the emulation layer will have them covered in most cases. And with rumors of a Snapdragon 1000 in the works for Windows 10 devices, things are only going to get better. A Snapdragon 1000 will be where things really start to get interesting.

It's here to stay

Windows 10 on ARM isn't going away. For most people, the future is lightweight mobile computing, and Windows 10 needs to be there. Microsoft is keeping Windows relevant by bringing Windows 10 to ARM as we further progress into this new era of lightweight computing. ARM is making its way into existing form factors, but will also power new form factors that don't yet exist that Windows absolutely needs to be a part of. Ignoring ARM would be a dumb idea.

I think a lot of the people who are speaking bad about Windows 10 on ARM don't understand what it is. It's just another architecture, simply put. Just like Windows 10 x86 and x64, Windows 10 ARM is another architecture that developers can compile for. And, although Microsoft has tried this before with Windows RT, there are a few fundamental differences that make these two attempts completely different. For starters, Windows RT was an ARM32 effort, whereas Windows 10 on ARM is ARM64.

Microsoft is committed to Windows 10 on ARM

Second, Windows RT was a closed platform. Yes, while Microsoft is trying to push developers into the Microsoft Store, Windows 10 on ARM devices isn't a closed platform and can run programs downloaded from anywhere, even for ARM compiled apps. So Google could compile Chrome for ARM and offer it on their website for users running Windows 10 on ARM to go and download. Again, it's just like Windows 10 on any other architecture. The Store is there if you want it, but otherwise you can download from wherever you like. Some of these ARM devices might come with Windows 10 S enabled by default, but these days you can turn that off with a simple switch.

If you're yet to try Windows 10 on ARM but have been turned off it because of comments from people saying it sucks, I'd give it a try before you make any final judgements. I absolutely love the HP Envy x2, with its instant-on capabilities and LTE everywhere, it's a new way of using Windows 10 and I absolutely love it. And look on the bright side, it's going to get better too. It definitely won't get worse. The only way is up.

Zac Bowden is a Senior Editor at Windows Central. Bringing you exclusive coverage into the world of Windows 10 on PCs, tablets, phones, and more. Also an avid collector of rare Microsoft prototype devices! Keep in touch on Twitter: @zacbowden.

145 Comments
  • say the same insightful guys that "Windows Mobile is not dead, part 1 2 3 4 5"
  • Simple fact is traditional win32 developers won't be compiling their apps for ARM because the win32 use cases are generally meaningful on the desktop and laptops. No one is interested in making something like Photoshop "light weight" to run on a ARM CPU the same way not many developers brought their win32 apps to UWP. Why would they? The thing is though, ARM devices will be a part of the ecosystem. They won't bring a revolution, but they'll be there because they can run win32 through emulation. The idea is not dumb; it's just not the next big thing. It's just a thing.
  • "Simple fact is traditional win32 developers won't be compiling their apps for ARM because the win32 use cases are generally meaningful on the desktop and laptops."
    Aren't these laptops we're talking about? "No one is interested in making something like Photoshop "light weight" to run on a ARM CPU the same way not many developers brought their win32 apps to UWP."
    Those two are not even in the same league in terms of effort. Maybe not so much something like Photoshop but something like Chrome or Firefox? That would definitely make sense to compile and publish for ARM.
  • The fact is, almost none of the major developers will compile for ARM. Microsoft has tried this time and time again, and it simply won't work. Developers won't even publish apps in the Amazon app store even though it's the same code base as Android. I'm sorry, but most developers won't even take minimal effort to support Windows on ARM. The war to get developers to publish on Windows in general has already been lost, with exception to some applications that require more resources to run. The x86 emulation layer doesn't help when so many of the applications people use only exist on iOS & Android. Windows on ARM does absolutely nothing to address this issue.
  • Will take VLC as a major developer right! Or don't you?
  • VLC is an exception. They did the rare thing of bringing their app to Windows RT through a Kickstarter campaign.
    If you look at the UWP landscape, you can see quite a few developers actually leaving (just saw the Bank of America news I guess). If any real change is going to take place, it will be with PWAs. Win32 will remain the productivity tool that gets work done, Win32 emulation on ARM will be there to prevent another Windows RT fiasco, everything else will be delivered through PWAs. Recompiling what is currently Win32 to ARM will never become as big a thing as something like PWAs and companies realize there is no reason to bring big productivity tools to mobile devices running ARM. There is simply no justification for it.
  • I don't see why not. I remember days when they first developed multiprocessor motherboards to improve performance. Then came multi core processors. Nowadays even deca-core Arm processors are become quite common. How about say 4 deca-core Arm processor motherboards running Windows? You would have whole lot of more of processing power as compared to anything on present day i3 - i5 or even i7s. Over time even Adobe and Autocad will have to follow suit. There would be no penalty to pay to Intel - lame chipsets, USB and even SATA implementation. Lower hardware cost would be a major incentive for the end user. You may not be aware but there are a substantial number of Arm based fanless file, print and web servers already in operation. Remember Kodak was the king in photography until they went bankrupt. Today Intel is the king in processors. Who knows what tomorrow will bring.
  • Sure, but you're talking about a revolution in hardware that may result in a revolution in software. If suddenly Intel blew up and we were left only with ARM of course developers would have to compile even their oldest software for ARM.
    My point is they don't do it on their own justified by the "we are committed to ARM" Microsoft keeps throwing around.
  • @AgentTheGreat. Sorry no, PWAs won't be catching on until 5G or so. There is not enough global bandwidth and cellular infrastructure is not there yet in terms persistant, high speed and reliable connections. Plus you have entire fiasco with fast lanes for internet in the US. So no, PWAs aren't there yet. At present UWP and WoA is where it's at. Lastly, PWAs if poorly optimised can be battery hogs as they will need to poll for new data at set intervals. PWAs will not be able to replace complex applications only light weight apps. To address the complex application issue you either have a hybrid app solution or fix the connectivity and infrastructure - the latter is not happening anytime soon and the former is just not on parity what you gain with UWP. Most importantly, PWAs by nature are vulnerable to man in the middle attacks as they are progrssive web apps - keyword "web". So to address this every data packet will need comprehensive encryption and significant SoC cycles to decrypt on device. So your back to the bandwidth issue but now you have two more issues - battery drain and heat. Smartphones have limited heat dissipation and power budget for the SoC. Thus now you have a performance issue. It goes on and on. So no PWAs aren't there yet.
  • Microsoft has never tried this before. Previous efforts to have Windows software written for ARM failed because developers had to change to write a new code base, which was not worth their time in most cases. This is a different story. VLC is already available for ARM64 (yes, the full VLC) and the final version of the SDK isn't even out yet. Does this mean there will be a huge surge of ARM applications appearing when the SDK is out, certainly not. But you've got to start somewhere. "The x86 emulation layer doesn't help when so many of the applications people use only exist on iOS & Android. Windows on ARM does absolutely nothing to address this issue."
    You're right that it does nothing to address that issue because it's absolutely not supposed to. We're talking about classic Windows software here, what do Android and iOS have to do with it?
  • The Windows 10 on ARM platform has to gain traction first before they'll consider that. I don't know how hard it is to recompile an existing app to ARM64,, but it doesn't seem that difficult. Of course, with the x86 emulation later, developers can get lazy and simply tell people to use the 32-bit x86 version on it, which provides a subpar experience.
  • 32 bit x-86 version will always remain so long as portable apps remain popular. If I am going to carry my own applications to run on clients' machines I better have X-86 variety because X-64 versions simply won't run on 32 bit OS. Personally I prefer to use portable version if available, from a secondary volume, in stead of installed ones because it simply makes it easier for me to fix things.
  • I don't think it's so much that developers get "lazy", as it's more that things are never "easy". And they are certainly never as easy as advertised by Microsoft! I know I am a developer. But as a consumer too, I hope that developers will take the time to compile for ARM64. There has to be serious ROI though for a dev to take the time, because he/she's potentially adding to his maintenance and support costs if/when he's flooded with emails/phone calls should things "not go as planned", which they almost always never do. I really hope it's just a matter of pushing a button. :0) But I smile at that. ;0) Nevertheless... I do believe that we're seeing all consumer computing dividing into two camps "light computing" for 80% of the world's population (messaging, web, personal finance) and "heavy computing" for the other 20% (gamers, photographers, developers). 80% is a big number for developers to miss out on. That should be ROI enough! I 100% believe ACPCs running on ARM are the right move. It's the smartest thing MS has done in the Nadella era (which btw I am NOT a big fan of - but I must give him credit where credit is due). At least he's not waiting until 80% of the world's homes have either an iPad or Chromebook and then showing up late to the party with a 1/2 baked lame offering. ACPCs, especially on ARM, stand a real chance of keeping a PC in every home... and now that they are unshackled from wifi… in every car... in every backpack...
  • "Developers won't even publish apps in the Amazon app store even though it's the same code base as Android." No, it's not. Not completely, that is. Android as we know it is actually the sum of two different parts: Android Open Source Project (AOSP), the base, open sourced OS, and Play Services, a paid component (by OEMs, I think device users can download them free of charge, can't be sure) that packs Play Store, Google's apps (Gmail, Maps, Youtube, ...) and a plenthora of important APIs. There are many, MANY, Android apps that REQUIRE Play Services installed to work, so any Android variant that doesn't come with Play Services installed, like Amazon's Fire OS, will not be able to run them. Really, Play Services is how Google enforces its tight grip on the Android ecosystem.
  • Legacy app need more work done so it can be recompiled to ARM.
    If you are using 3rd party lib, middleware or dll, more work for you.
    Modern apps don't have that trouble. The bigger the app is the more time consuming.
  • You use Photoshop as an example, and fail to realize how Adobe have invested alot in UWP development, their latest big Application is UWP only on Windows, and they even sugested they might release an UWP version of Photoshop. Alot of devs are bridging apps to UWP. Alot of devs makes UWP apps, and quite a few high rating games have been released as UWP. Its growing, not as fast as MS would like, but growing still.
  • Maybe because there's alternatives in the store.
    I use Adobe but I heard good things about Afffinity (good functionality, no subscription).
  • I don't know why you tell everyone needs photoshop and other slow win32 programs in their laptop. Probably 95% of people don't. I like editing photos and I do it quite often, but for my needs the Polarr app from the store is super good, useful, enough and more.
  • Exactly Yattaboy. I have never used photoshop to edit ANY photo I have ever taken. I always used other means. Polarr being the latest software I use. I have sold photos, videos etc for profit, not once did someone complain about the quality etc. Remember it's not the tool, it's the eye. Now, I use various design programs that are legacy for my motorcycle/motorsports design business. There is no way around it. That area has held on to windows xp/7 as long as they can. That being said, I am using UWP for most everything in my business except for the plasma CNC and engine tuning software.
  • Agreed @yattaboy! I'd like to see an end to the "Photoshop Test" being the end-all-be-all touchstone. If people want Photoshop so bad... fine... just don't buy a "light computing" device. That's alright! Get yourself a Yoga 920 with an i7 or a Surface Book 2 instead. But for the other 80%-95% of the population a "light computing" device is perfectly sufficient.
  • Call an OS what you will, it makes no difference to me. I care about usability, I like when companies are forward thinking and plan for expansion. RT has left such a bad taste in many people's mouths because it appeared to be headed down a dead end street leading to a nerfed OS like you get with ios and android. I know people who love those platforms don't see them as limited, but from a x86-64 viewpoint where gaming and graphic design gave users a whole lot of control to be creative and even mod open source programs its a whole different story. With recent advancements in hardware technology and gui scaleability theres no reason an OS need to be nerfed down to lame standards when you should be able to take your limited device and dock it up to a setup similar to a thunderbolt and enable the device's advanced capabilities. Scaleable Operating Systems is feasable and at some point we will only need one device instead of 3 or more.
  • It is only a matter of time I think. Someday, all devices will likely reduce to a single device.
  • Actually SentinHell, that was Windows phone, read as Windows-on-mobile, is not dead. I advocate persistently in those pieces that Microsoft was transitioning from a "Windows-on-phone" strategy to full "Windows-on-mobile" ultramobile PC form factor that is not a phone and even added to that argument that it would have an inking focus. This was **before** all of the Andromeda rumors that have since convinced naysayers that Microsoft is transitioning from a Windows-on-phone strategy to a Windows-on-mobile ultramobile PC form factor with an inking focus😉. Thus, in light of what was presented in those pieces and its accuracy in relation to the reality that is now unfolding, it seems that your sarcastic "insightful" comment, was actually an unintended, accidental, yet accurately applied, compliment.🙂 So, thank you😉 **Why Microsoft's Windows on mobile story is so profoundly confusing**
    https://m.windowscentral.com/microsoft-and-mobile-heres-why-story-ever-c...
  • Please stop it already. I guess you don't realise how stupid you sound everytime you come up with a new delusional theory. For once, leave windowscentral and check /r/Windows10, neowin or literally any place on the internet covering Windows related news you'll know what people say about your articles. Didn't know if it would ever come to this. Now, block me, ban me from this site or whatever, I don't care. I just thought you should know what's outside of Windows Central. Hint: It's not all sunshine and rainbows like it's made to appear here.
  • Hassan you must not be following recent news about Microsoft's project Andromeda. You can find numerous articles here at WC, hints of the same on the Verge, Thurrott has also written peices "Andromeda is real" as well as various other sites. Now, the reality of the project is not in dispute. If you are disputing that, now this is not meant to sound offensive, but you are out of touch with what is happening in Redmond. Now to some of the details of the project. It is Microsoft's venture into mobile beyond Windows phone or smartphones. A point I argued it would be.
    It is running a non phone Windows OS. A point I argued it would.
    It has an inking focus. A point I argued it would.
    It is small, portable. A point I argued it would be.
    Now, if you or anyone else has a problem with my articles that stated this is what was coming, and here it is, with more tangible evidence and even now the support of naysayers or those publications that argued Microsoft's mobile efforts were dead,now reporting Microsoft's mobile efforts are real/alive with Andromeda, then you and others don't have a problem with my articles, you have a problem with the reality that is unfolding before you. Granted, I understand many readers couldn't see what I was saying years ago leading up to now when there were no deluge of folding PC patents permeating social media and being published all over tech sites, no articles about Windows Core OS, or when people were smothered beneath the aggravation of Microsoft's silence about WM as people held hopefully onto thier phones, and during a time when virtually every other publication who couldnt see beyond WM were feeding shortsighted analysis to news hungry readers who greedily devoured them. So yes, I get why some readers THOUGHT my accurate description of what MS was doing was what you call "sunshine and rainbows." But no, it's not sunshine, nor rainbows...nor even unicorns. No Hassan, it's Andromeda.😉
  • I'll believe when I see them launch the device. I have lost all hope in Microsoft consumer market since they demoted Windows in favour of cloud. The result is clear.
  • And that's ok. 😉 You have every right to suspend your belief until you see it if you so desire. Microsoft has disappointed many of us along the way, self included with some of its decisions. I would just add that minus any negative feelings any of us may harbor toward Microsoft for its choices that may have negatively affected us, objective observation of its investments, business decisions, expressed and observable strategies, patents, sourced information and more, it is clear where Microsoft's mobile strategy has been and is leading. Feelings about the companies failures and choices are independent of what the company "is" doing. Simply because it has failed on many fronts (and also succeeded on many as well) and simply because many may feel any other mobile investments will fail is not sufficient evidence to say Microsoft is not investing in a small Windows PC with an inking focused. I'm not arguing the device is a guaranteed hit, nor that the category WILL succeed. What I have pressed from my position is Microsoft's strategy, what it is doing. And that's Project Andromeda, a small mobile PC with an inking focus is what it's doing. Now just as I've said in the past, I'll say again, like McLaren and Surface Mini, it CAN be canceled at the eleventh hour. But just as the McLaren and Surface Mini hardware have been show here on WC, those projects were real, planned, but cancelled. If, Project Andromeda is canceled, that takes nothing from my argument, it is a real project Microsoft is investing in to position itself in the mobile, not smartphone space. So, my position is not to make you believe, it's to make you aware of what is. You're beleif of not believing is up to you. But what ever you or others choose, it doesn't change what "is." 😉
  • it is not small mobile PC. it is a Tablet-phone
  • Maybe they can put it in a phone form factor as well then I can use it with a monitor and keyboard or my HP lapdock.. that would make it cheaper and go on to fulfill the "computer in your pocket" dream.... but that's just my thoughts I don't know what Microsoft is thinking.
  • I so wish Andromeda will be something like that. Windows 10 on ARM with x86 Emulation and full cellular capacity (i.e. phone calls too, not just LTE).
  • The first iteration wouldn't come with full cellular capability. The successor on the other will be different, possibly a device that would create a paradigm shift, potentially replacing (static) smartphones in market. Windows 10 ftw. 🎉
  • What u talkin bout Willis? Andromeda WILL have full telephony.
  • Nope. No it won't.
    The Snapdragon 950 variant only supports LTE.
    So you'd need VoLTE support from your carrier, or a VOIP account from a provider like Skype. And since SMS/MMS use the other bands (GSM/HSPA+), those won't work either.
  • If it doesn't make calls people like me wont buy it. We have been waiting on Microsoft so long for this, even buying things in hope that our support would spawn the end result of a fully capable device. I will not be buying anything new until it is what I actually want, til then my Elite x3 will have to do. If not I would rather have a flip phone than ios or droid. I vowed never to sell out to companies who want to keep their users in the dark or that nerf their older products to push you into buying new.
  • If the price of this device is as rumoured, you'll want a cheap dumb phone anyway for calls. No way you'll want to take your Andromeda not-Phone out of your pocket outside of home/office without some serious protection.
  • Vote me down if you like, but the fact remains that if you wave a 4 figure wad of cash around in the high-street, on the bus or down the pub you're not exactly the sharpest knife in the draw. You are quite likely to encounter the sharpest knife in the draw however...
  • Sounds like your first priority should be moving if you live in a such a place. Few people have those worries.
  • You better move out of the "gun free zone". Nobody is taking your phone away in New Hampshire. We use knives for cooking food and cleaning deer.
  • Andy, I have said it many times before...the devices and their costs are not the problem. WHERE YOU LIVE is the problem. I leave our local ATM with a 2g stack in my hand not in an envelope etc and NOBODY FLINCHES! You live in a shithole.
  • There is still hope. I just read on wmpu about Intel's pocket pc like device with fanless chip running full Windows.
  • Yes they do but just like all the other Intel chip based dual boot devices the performance sucks.
  • You are in luck. I believe Samsung has already come out with a device which can doc giving you a larger screen, full keyboard + mouse and added processing power. In fact I remember at one time, may 3 decades ago, there were docking stations for laptops that worked the same.
  • Agreed @Robewms. Keep it simple MS, make a 5.7 inch version of the HP Envy x2, but with a GPS and full-fledged telephony. Call it the "Surface Note" or grow some balls and call it the "Surface Phone". Price it at $799, pen and premium leather folio/wallet typecover with kickstand included. Would it be the world's best selling phone of all time? Probably not. But it **would** sell to both enterprise customers and consumers. And moreover, as a Surface device, would do its job to inspire OEMs.
  • I'd love for my next PC to run ARM, just waiting for the right device. The dream is a connected PDA with dual-screen displays and pen support. I mean I should wait right? Maybe until later this year?
  • Me too. I just something that can turn into a tablet and just function as a phone in case I need to make calls. The only app that I use that is not on Windows is Robinhood and now that there is a web app Version maybe I won't need to be on Android any longer.
  • Windows ARM is Microsoft's response to 2 in 1 Chromebooks and iPad Pro with the benefit that these ultra portable tablets / 2 in 1 can also be used to run software like Photoshop, Github (Git for Windows) to test a software application, Professional Paint/Illustrator software from Adobe, and all of this is unavailable in ChromeOS or iOS, so yes I agree with the author, I think Microsoft made a HomeRun with these category of ultra lightweight productivity devices and Windows ARM is here to stay!!!
  • Good thing that VS code is open source so you can just recompile it to Arm yourself 😂 Wonder how we would fare with NodeJS though...
  • No creative professional using Photoshop to make a living will run it on WoA machines. They'll be using multi-core x86 machines with a lot of RAM and storage.
  • If you are outside or waiting, a few quick tweak for your art is possible with WoA.
  • A SD1000 based WoA with 5G network will be my first ACPC.
  • I can't imagine the possibilities that would come with it. Surely the first iteration of Andromeda will get the attention of devs and consumers alike.
  • It is going to be crazy. You will have a clam shell device that opens up with a keyboard and trackpad on one side and a screen on the other. It will be thin, run for hours on battery, and fit in your backpack or case. You will be able to carry your PC around and work from anywhere. Game changing.
  • And it may be portable enough that you wouldn't even need a desk to set it on...You could probably just place it right on your lap. We could call it a "laptop"!
  • Great name. I bet that catches on.
  • You've come around, or are you being sarcastic?
  • The second one
  • I think you missed the sarcasm. These ARM machines are just laptops so far. Until Microsoft actually unviels a totally new and game changing form that is all these will be.
  • So long as it does not get so hot to sterilise you !!
  • The fact that these devices will be 500-800 helps. 1000 is too much money, even though I agree the HP is a very well crafted machine and the phones many use daily cost just as much if bought at retail and not on payments. Aren't these ARM PCs supposed to be sold by wireless carriers at some point?
  • The main problem is the X2 = $1000. I think at that price even though it has LTE & superior battery life, the performance is always going to be compared to an i5 2 in 1. It makes no logical sense that the 835 X2 (last years SOC) is more expensive than HPs i5 Elite X2. The i5 is 3x more expensive than the 835! Once the mobile oems (Samsung, huawei, Asus, xiaomi, lg ect) that are already buying the snapdragon platform in huge quantities for phones start hitting the market with <$600 snapdragon 850 devices, I think there will be alot more supporters.
  • One thing to keep in mind that a competitor of the x2 is the iPad Pro. With cellular, it's over $1,000. These devices fall into a weird category. They're not quite the same as a traditional x86 machine but they're also not quite in the same category as an iOS or Android tablet. So pricing is hard to fully line up with other devices.
  • The iPad Pro has apps though and a full touch interface. The X2 competes with Windows laptops and is a tough sell next to an XPS13.
  • I agree that the iPad Pro is a great device. And works for a lot of people. Wife has an iPad and loves it! But she spends a lot of time on stuff like reading fiction, Candy Crush, and Farm whatever. I used to have an iPad and liked it well enough. But I spend a lot of time reading websites, and commenting on them. ;0) Have an HP x2 10.1 (not the Envy) right now, and like it slightly better than the iPad, even with the hokey ATOM chip. Why? Two reasons 1) Mouse. I can't stand the fact that there is no mouse for an iPad. Not even a Bluetooth mouse! 2) Keyboard. I usually think Apple does a great job on its devices and accessories, but the iPad "smart" keyboard is terrible. And yes I've tried it on a friend's device. It's terrible. HP Envy x2 has mouse options and a soft, supple keyboard. So does the Lenovo miix 630. Looking forward to getting the first one to drop an 850 in it.
  • Yeah, this doesn't compete with iPad Pro. Sales prove it. Anything running Windows is basically another laptop. That is how they are used.
  • Whats the problem with that? The laptop market is much bigger than the tablet market. Total sales of laptops completely dwarf ipads.
  • "the iPad "smart" keyboard is terrible.". Does it have direction keys ? Just asking ! I do have an iPad Mini for FaceTime chatting with my granddaughters on their iPods living some 8000 miles away. Other than that I have no use for it. Win 10 is the only thing I use for everything else. Just waiting for it to be available on Arm.
  • It does have arrow keys if that's what you're asking. Here's a picture https://binged.it/2MdZw6X As you can see it's not a very handsome accessory. There's no backlighting like there is in both the Miix 630 and HP Envy X2. Feels kind of "rubbery". The key travel is terrible. And the whole thing feels very unstable on your lap. Steve Jobs would be furious! Of course you can get by on it if you want to type for very short periods of time. But heaven forbid you wanted to write anything longer than about 5 sentences on it.
  • Does Minecraft bedrock edition work on WoA? If so then how does it perform?
  • give it the power of a new 8th gen i7 with a 1080gtx then i'll come.
  • Is that computer running Asphalt 9? Is it out already for the windows store?
  • It's just a test version for the presentation
  • Its not even in Android Store/App Store except Testing version for ONLY 1 Country
  • It may be here to stay but it needs to go to cheap devices. It should fill the $200 atom gap not compete in the $1000 space where you can get an X1 Carbon...
  • There's no money for anyone in that category. Let's the Chinese manufacturers target those price point (well, I've got one from Chuwi, pretty nice for the price).
  • They just need to add mediatek support and the OEMs will do the rest.
  • The 200$ Atom gap will be filled by Celeron and Pentium CPUs. It make no sense in trying to put high performance ARM SoCs into this gap.
  • Thanks for writing this Zac. There has been so much thoughtless misinformation written about this initiative, it's nice to read an informed piece for once.
  • Could you guys please write an article about all the available win32 software recompiled for ARM?
    I know a few like 7Zip or Quake 3 Arena.
  • We need a website to track that
  • I won't say I'll never buy one. I will say I'll never buy a data plan specifically for one (unless data gets ridiculously cheap). That's just not happening. So the LTE arguement isn't of much weight here. So then I compare it to other laptops. Better battery life is nice. Don't really care about it being tiny. Instant on isn't that big of a deal when my laptop resumes from sleep in a few seconds. The whole 'always connected thing' is cute. Do all of that stuff in a small tablet that can replace my phone and I'm preordering now. Won't be released until Dec 2018? Don't care. Take my money now. Limited apps? Fine. Where is the checkout button? Only offer normal tablets and laptops? meh... Not for me.
  • Sprint is offering free data until 12/31/18. After that, it's $15 a month (if you AutoPay). That's actually fairly reasonable. https://www.sprint.com/en/shop/offers.html
  • Yeah but it's Sprint, so I can't risk forgetting to cancel before I spend $15.
  • Will have to take your word on it. Don't use Sprint. Use ATT for personal phones, and Verizon on company issued phone. Honestly can't tell the difference in service, and have taken both all across the country. Nevertheless... I have heard Samsung is looking to jump into ACPC by year's end. Right now their Galaxy Book (a Windows device) is available through Verizon. GB's also have a GPS in them! They're pretty sweet devices with one prevalent complaint, battery life. ARM would solve that. Anyway... with Samsung's Galaxy Book going ARM I think we could see Verizon soon. PS. Here's a good read... https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-snapdragon-850-windows-10-on-arm-devic...
  • I bought the Envy x2 for doing emails and some light office work on the go.
    Or so I thought.
    Over the last few weeks, I moved my development environment and my data analytics environment to VMs on Azure, first just to see if it would actually work using them with LTE speeds and then permanently because it does.
    I don't have to emulate anything on my x2.
    This device fundamentally changed how I work.
    And since everything in Windows syncs, I'm not missing a bit of data.
    Now, I work when I want, on what I want, and where I want.
    For me, ARM isn't the future, it is my new reality.
  • This is your first experience with a laptop?
  • Sorry, I don't feed trolls.
  • Sorry for the troll, but you literally just explained a laptop.
  • No, and this is the the issue here. Unless you actually use this device, you really don't know what you're talking about. Always connected and battery life makes this a different animal.
    I also have the Surface Book and a z620 workstation. The x2 is an experience on its own.
    You simply have to use it for a few weeks to really know how different it is.
  • @leo74. People who fundamentally don't work on the go will not understand the concept and benefits of true always on connectivity. For me if I was still in real estate, I'd jump on WoA now and get the envy x2 or any ACPC running WoA with a USB and Sd card slot. As all i'd need is docusign or signable and web browser to use jupix, a floorplan app, a photo editing for light photo editing and office 365. A widelens DSLR is a given, failing that my L930 still takes decent images.
  • Good point. This is why many consumers don't see the real value in this technology (yet). For the "road warrior" this is a game changer.
  • I have a Surface Book as well. It gets well over 10 hours on the battery. I can leave the hotel in the morning, work all day, and not have to worry about it. WiFi is just about everything, I don't remember the last time I was forced to turn on the hotspot on my phone, but even that takes seconds with quick settings. This always connected thing really isn't a big deal. It certainly isn't a game changer, just a luxury at best.
  • Unless you use it, you don't know.
  • Hey, so how have you found the monthly cost? I thought about doing it a couple years ago but I heard horror stories of people running up huge bills.
  • Not too bad as you only pay for actual used computing time. If you shut down the Vm when not in use it's not too bad. I have 2 VMs and use them for a few hours daily and I pay less than 60 bucks a month. So I pay less a year than I would fork out for a workstation PC.
  • Interesting option, thx for sharing
  • I'm truly interested in your use case. Please share more specifically. May be Windows central still accept guest article?
  • In a nutshell, I develop LOB software and I am a data analyst. So I run VS, SQL Server, R Studio, Power BI, Tableau and usually deal with data sets in the GB range.
    My main PCs were a z620 Workstation and a zBook, both great and powerful machines. I do travel a fair bit and the zbook is a rather heavy device. On top of that, the battery life of that laptop is at best 3-4 hours, so pulling it out at the airport to catch up on emails or create a presentation or report usually meant that I had to find a power plug.
    The emails I send usually contain some sort of report or some data, so doing emails on the phone doesn't cut it.
    I also rely heavily on my phone for conference calls when I'm traveling, so using it as hotpot and draining my battery in the process was not something I liked doing.
    I started playing around with Azure VMs a few months ago, when I needed to process a really massive data model and my workstation seemed to have issues with it.
    Then I got the x2 and as I stated, only expected to do some light office work with it. The benefit for me was that it is always connected, gives me the full office stack and I really never have to worry about running out of juice.
    I used it for about a week for that purpose alone, carrying it along with my phone and zbook.
    After meeting my expectations during that week, I moved my Visual studio Vm from my workstation to Azure and started to experiment with some coding on the go, expecting that it would be rather painful and not fast enough. I was proven wrong. Working over LTE on the Azure VM felt almost like sitting in front of my PC.
    I have now moved everything to Azure and haven't used my zbook since. At the office, I use Azure via my PC and on the go, the x2 became my front end.
    Now, I'm not saying that my use case is typical for everyone. I don't play games, I rarely watch movies on my PC.
    But knowing that I can now do my work everywhere without having to rely on, and potentially exposing confidential data to open wifi changed the way I work.
    I don't see myself going back to buying a laptop again.
    I hope that gives you a better picture.
    Let me know if you have questions, I'm happy to answer.
  • @leo74. Thanks for sharing, some don't understand the game changing potential of WoA.
  • My pleasure. It is still a little weird to accept the fact that my work environment is now no longer on my physical machine, but entirely in the cloud. Azure really opened up a new world and at least for me, the x2 is the perfect front end.
    It will take a while, but just given the amount of money a company can save on hardware, I believe this is where we are heading long term. Being able to spin up a 128 GB Ram, 16 core VM on Azure within 5 minutes when I need it, and using it through the x2 is like magic to me :)
  • Intel has to be rethinking cancelling their Atom chips right now, unless they are just going to stick to the business and high-end consumer markets.
  • What you talking Zac! I Definitely like it;")
  • When I read statements like "Windows is committed....." I just open my drawer and look at all the abandoned devices there and giggle.
  • I admit feeling the same. I don't think I'll ever forgive the King of Abandon, Nadella, for killing off mobile devices, or at least not until about 5 years after Surface PHONE (not andromeda) hits store shelves. That said, Windows on ARM feels different. I would even love to see it be the foundation on which a Surface Phone (and yeah I say just call it a phone) is possible. A true PC in your pocket sort of thing. Ideal device... Surface Phone at $899:
    * 850 Snagdragon
    * LTE, GPS
    * Surface Pen included
    * Folio type cover "wallet" case included /w kickstand in the case
    * Free year of Office 365 Think Galaxy Note has HP Envy x2's baby.
  • @OnTheSurface. Don't forget VoLTE! :).
  • @mwright53. WoA is not firmware or a subset of the o/s like Wp8.x - Wm10.x. Older devices ran on the CE kernal. WoA is the actual Windows operating system designed to run on ARM.
  • I have pretty high hopes for Windows 10 on ARM, even though I passed on the first-generation devices due to screen size (I need at least 15 inches), lack of ports and, above all, the Snapdragon 835..which is not bad per se but..knowing that the Snapdragon 850 (and 1000) are around the corner, I'd rather wait for those, since I use x86 Win32 apps for work and I don't want to invest a boatload of money in something that will run subpar.
  • At least Microsoft is doing it right by simply offering Windows 10 on ARM as another architecture with the same openness (meaning you can download and install apps outside of the app store) as x86 Windows 10...Windows RT was just a big fail.
  • I just tried purchasing several HP Envy x2 tablets today. Had to go with a different device because no one makes a rugged case for these devices. I was hoping to use these devices on construction sites, but something as simple as a case results in a lost customer. I can't wait until Microsoft and their partners finally get on board with providing a complete package.
  • And here come all the Windows/Microsoft haters from lagdroid central to tell us why this article is so wrong.
  • They must have an ARM version of windows, this product will never be popular until the price will be on the 500-600 regardless of is good or bad, Intel processors are a better alternative if you are keen to ha r less battery life, my current mobile device is a Samsung Book 10 core m and LTE, best tablet ever IMHO, I wish will be smaller and lighter but is very powerfull
  • I've read that Samsung is looking to jump into Windows 10 on ARM by end of year. Hope so! Would love to see an ARM variant of Galaxy Book. Galaxy Books are the only Windows 10 tablet device right now with a GPS. Hopefully they would keep that in Galaxy Book on ARM.
  • The Envy X2 is already smaller, lighter and more powerful. The Envy X2 outperforms any Core M fanless device with ease.
  • It's especially here to say because Intel's promised competitor Always Connected PCs are nowhere in sight. We haven't even seen a prototype. That leaves the entirety of that device class to Qualcomm.
  • I think that many of you are missing the boat with your comments. Making comparisons between IOS and Android for example. The problem with both of those is the "Freemium" take over, with few exceptions most of the apps found in Google Play and the App store are sub par. This is one of the main reasons why Windows 2 in 1's took off. People want quality apps on the go. Steam for example rather than some money milking freemium app. Interestingly enough just this week Apple pulled support for a Steam app that would have allowed streaming. This sort of issue doesn't exist with Microsoft. And as far as Android, Google is no longer supporting tablets on Android in an effort to push Chrome, but that actually is more work for developers than converting Windows. Real software applications is what most people want, they have settled in the past, but are not so willing anymore. More and more people complain about freemium, Ipad sales remain flat, and Android and Chrome are limited when it comes to choice. If Microsoft plays their cards right, and does some decent advertising, they can win here.
  • This article is basically telling the 3-4 trolls to STFU
  • The very long way of doing it.
  • Now, if we could only get an article to tell you to do the same. It would be great around here.
  • Even better if you would follow up on some of those promises to leave, and yet here you still linger like a stale old fart.
  • Oh look, It's Rodneyej's some what saner, yet just as dilusional and annoying alter ego! BonzeUK. Please take the fanboy crap out of the room baby!
  • "the emulation layer is only really there to catch any apps that haven't been compiled for ARM in this "soft-launch" period of ARM-based Windows 10 devices". This is the most interesting part for me. I don't believe Apple software engineers working on their OS are SO.............. much smarter than ones as MS that they could migrate twice and MS engineers can't do it properly even once. From Motorola 68000 to IBM Power PC and then to Intel with underlying BSD. I remember when Mac 5s would crash 3 - 5 times in a day and all kinds of CLI solitions appeared all over the net and in magazines. It was almost a nightmare in my brother's studio. For a person like me who has very limited requirements it is going to be a boon. Can't wait to get away from Intel processors and their royally screwed up chipsets and USB implementation and lame graphics. All I need running on my Windows PC are Daum PotPlayer, Internet Download Manager, Tixati Torrent client and some application that can handle video with FFMPeg. My only wish is that it ALSO run some version of Android and Chrome OS properly. Then we ca genuinely have a dual boot device sans Intel.
  • I don't see developers compiling win32 for this. A) does your tool even support compiling to ARM? B) does the app have any realistic use case on a tablet? C) are you going to support another set of builds, support, sales, etc. for a device only a tiny percent of the market? D) would it run under emulation anyway? Is E) is it using some feature (SQL, graphics, hardware, API, etc)? F) what win32 application is so important that it must be run on a tablet, yet users won't buy a surface or other Intel tablet? G) what is you plan for iOS and Android which isnt more important than a few percent max of an tablet market? How does win32 ARM help this? Etc, Etc. I just don't see any push for devs to write for this. Win32 isn't great on tablets and anyone wanting to get apps on one... Would be looking at iOS, Android for 90% of the market.
  • You seem to not get it, they do not have to write for this. They just need to compile already written SW.
  • Really? Does Delphi compile for ARM? What about a VB6? Java? C++? Again... Only works for compilers which support it. The will literally only be VS and even then a subset. That claim was also make for UWAs. It was only a matter of compiling for UWA to run on mobile yet the vast majority of UWAs were only compiled for desktop.
  • I'm very excited for this! Will wait until Microsoft throws their hand in the pot and releases a Surface running ARM. Light, small, thin, fast, great battery life paired with their beautiful aesthetic and design chops!
  • Talk about not getting it. Before long most laptops WILL be arm based as they match most peoples use and they will be cheaper. Win 32 Devs will follow as they will want their apps to run well, if they don't then emulation will get better.
  • This is the way I see it. Most users will be attracted by the always connected feature, the battery life and the size/weight. They won't know anything about ARM or not ARM. Laptops are huge, and hybrids are the fastest growing segment of tablets. So they have a potential for a huge userbase over time. If they get that user base, THEN compiling for ARM, or going full UWP becomes more attractive. Codebase comes with user share. User share can grow without codebase because of emulation. Once user share is there, the performance difference will become commercial. In the meantime, the emulation layer has lightweight tasks and simple games covered. This is really more of a sly move on MSFTs part. It'll bring devices to the most active PC market - laptops, that offer the biggest features users want - battery life and portability. That's the not so exciting part of the story really - light, and longer battery life, but those are things consumers desperately want. The more exciting part of the story is what happens when these devices are commonplace, years down the track - because at that point, it'll make more sense to compile UWP, and go to the trouble, as there will be WoA and Windows core devices in play (andromeda, hub and related), and through that and windows 10/server and xbox, there will be a genuine commercial case to be made for coding once for all those platforms via UWP (a demand that windows mobile and xbox alone did not create, but a solid portion of the laptop market and a few enterprise devices can). And when that happens they can phase in windows core, phase out win32 and everything else. It's more or less, a trojan horse. As a device in itself all it really offers is a few nifty features users want. MSFT needs to have a crossplatform market in order to create the crossplatform software ecosystem. This is the most clever and obvious way to do that, not by selling users the benefits of crossplatform, but by selling them the benefits of ARM. Honestly I think compiling specifically for ARM will happen. For particular use cases. It's certainly easier than UWP. But once you get to the point of having a Win32, Win64, Arm64 and UWP for windows core (in business) and windows s (in education)- you're better off just coding UWP.
  • I'm fine with windows 10 on ARM. But my view is that it is currently implemented wrong. In my view there's too much emphasis of trying too hard to push the non-compromising poweruser desktop experience to the mobile formfactor and more powerefficient chipset. I think the latter inevitably convews a message of performance compromise at some point. At this point in time it seems mostly to revolve around the benchmark around adobe photoshop. What I find disheartening is the loss of view around building a better pc like experience on a mobile platform. I think microsoft was genuinely heading somewhere with continuum on phone. Almost everyone has a smartphone these days and uses their pc for productivity at set times. No more lugging around multiple devices (I do, as do many of my colleagues). Just one mobile phone device with built in power of the pc and connectivity and productivity and some entertainment software. What I keep seeing now however is microsoft putting a powerhouse of an OS a relatively underpowered hardware. This is far from the case, I'm sure, but I do think it would help with better marketing and real world usecase if the OS was catered with a more refined mobile windows OS. The latter, in current windows 10, is far from fit and finished and well rounded. It's patchy and messy at best. But it didn't have to be. Earlier windows 10 build certainly had a lot of promising ideas and outlooks. But the windows 8 saga has apparently left many with a bitter taste. With regard to the marketing I think microsoft has taken too big of a leap, as I see it now. I think this is why the reception of windows on ARM could be lukewarm at this point in time.
  • There's only a few devices as yet. It's a bit early to call the consumer response anything, and as usual Microsoft isn't really marketing anything - it's just "always connected" with extra battery life, and that's all the consumer will know if anything. If the device market has more devices, the user won't be buying windows on arm they'll be buying the "dell x-midget20". As for windows 10 - The long term aim was cshell, windows core and a cross-platform OS, with adaptable input and output. That's an exceptionally large project, and one we have not seen the fruits of yet. I'd be very they don't refine the mobile experience. I'll admit the current mobile experience is inconsistent, but that's largely because of the win32 legacy software it can run. The UI itself could be maximised a bit with cshell, and it still wouldn't be ideal because you still need to get developers to make UWPs. It's really an incremental problem, for a particular OS that is form factor, and hardware specific to cross over into hybrid OS territory. It simply will not arrive their overnight. Comparative to the only other company with hybrid aims, google, they are well ahead. But the real market benefits of a hybrid OS are also still awhile off. We haven't really arrived at AR, convergence or IoT in any meaningful fashion. So the benefits of having a hybrid OS, were windows 10 fully such a thing, aren't really here yet either. Although we might see a little device mash-up due to windows on arm - and devices that are true 3 in 1s - if ARM can put something like thunderbolt in the package. The others however are a way off, but without that groundwork, putting windows into IoT, or AR after they are consumer mature would be impossible. It's hard to tell for certain if microsofts leapfrog will work, but I was very surprised to here apple is definitively against merging ios and osx. I think in the long run, especially with their walled garden, might cost them dearly. And google - they are one good AI program from an established company from being outdone in search. So I think whilst MSFT has a lot of work ahead of it, with it's multi-profit bases, and future planning, it's on fairly stable ground.
  • I agree with everything you just said. Despite Microsoft's numerous failings and abandoned projects and services, they are still raking in billions due to the simple fact that their profits are scattered pretty evenly across multiple business, while Google has almost all their profits locked into advertisements and data, and Apple has almost all of their profits locked into their hardware and their App Store revenue.
    But that doesn't mean Microsoft can be lazy here. They have to continue to push steady growth and use their lead to their advantage. Windows is by a huge margin in the best position to encompass every current platform and any future platform. I hope they can realize the vision they've set for themselves, because they've disappointed before.
  • Hi Zac. Thank you for the great article. Hopefully this will clear up things for people. Windows 10 on ARM is huge. The big revolution hear is that Qualcomm chips have a much different heat and power profile as compared to Intel chips. Intel has been obsessed with speed, and they really missed the boat when mobile came around, because heat and power is more important than speed when it comes to mobile. You can't have a fan in phone. And you don't want your battery to die in 30 minutes with a small battery. Windows has been married to Intel for almost forever, and that has limited the type of small form factor devices that can be made that does not have a fan and has a small battery. Windows 10 on ARM is going to open Window 10 up to a whole new range of device form factors. That is what is important here. Another thing, the Win32 emulation shouldn't be that bad given some more optimizations. From what I understand, it will cache the ARM emulation results, so should be faster on subsequent runs. It is not that different technology as running a x86 app on x64 architecture, but x86|x64 to ARM64 is much more involved emulation. So Zac, can you download the Antutu v6 app from the Microsoft Store on your HP Windows 10 on ARM laptop and tell us what score you get? My Intel i5 laptop with integrated graphics gets 191,000.
  • If Microsoft knows one thing, it's emulation. The Xbox may not be an appropriate (or direct) comparison, but it does show that, given time, Microsoft's emulation layer can only improve.
  • Not quite. On Xbox One you have emulation of a weaker platform on a much powerful one. On win arm it's the other way around.
  • Well, something for everyone to think about.... Dave Cutler's original idea for Windows NT was that applications were processor independent. Meaning that it was supposed to be "Compile once, run anywhere" via the hardware abstraction layer concept. He was doing a good job at it, but the road block was at the time the x86 version was rather slow compared to the RISC. Bill had an issue that because he knew that x86 was the main processor that people were purchasing. Compromises were made and the idea of "Compile once, run anywhere" was abandoned and things had to be forked down two path's; x86 and RISC. In the end DEC did an amazing thing (before they went bye-bye) was they actually developed real time recompilation of x86 programs into RISC programs. It was the coolest thing I had to play with. The O/S would recognize it was an x86 program, install then run in emulation mode (with a minimal performance hit). As the program would run, it would slowly recompile it and as it did the program would run faster. I truely belive that Microsoft is slowly going back the original roots of Windows NT with the idea
  • Because of the evolution of technology over the last few decades, the software that accompanies it has become fractured to accommodate. I feel like Windows 10 is Microsoft's first effort to truly return to a simpler time of computing (which is a weird thing to say, since only true tech enthusiasts bothered to take the time to learn how to use them). Windows 7 was too focused on the old, Windows 8 too focused on the new. Windows 10 is somewhere in the middle, whilst looking to the future. It'll take time for Microsoft to fix the mistakes of the market as a whole and even their own mistakes, as a first-class company. But can they follow through?
  • "if Google compiles for ARM" hahahaha
  • I think Windows 10 on ARM is a fantastic step forward for Microsoft. I only hope they can continue to innovate in this area and improve upon not only Windows 10 itself but Windows 10's ability to span across form factors and provide the truly seamless computing experience that it currently fails to provide. These are first generation products, and they are beautiful ones at that. I cannot wait to see what next year brings for this line of products (especially a lightweight Surface "Pro" variant, if it comes). Follow through Microsoft, because this is precisely what Windows needed. This is the natural evolution of the portability and efficiency of current 2-in-1 machines.
  • I think I will give it a miss.
  • 😂😂 like anyone would give a damn about it. Had enough two RT failures. Crippled x86 emulation won't change the fact it is worthless
  • People have an absolute right to be cautious. Once bitten, twice shy, as they say. Anyone who got burned by Win RT or was left stranded on a Windows phone without an upgrade path will naturally be suspicious and with good reason. Do they take Microsoft's word that things will be different this time? Windows phone users were burned again and again after being told that. It's a valid concern.
  • Kattz, I was that person on both fronts. Well, actually I jumped off the windows mobile titanic before MS trashed it, When I jumped off, it had already hit the Nadella Iceberg. If WOA takes off I am sure I will own one.
  • The most interesting thing to me is the fact that Microsoft is trying very hard to reduce its reliance on Intel processors which is real story behind this article.
    Also, the Snapdragon 850 is a 845 with minor tweaks to separate itself from the mobile phone line. It's really a branding move not a whole new architecture.
  • ARMS CPU's and the Windows 10 on ARMs software are still young but will improve
    rapidly. the big question is will they get cheaper to buy. ARM CPU devices have
    been re known for being much Cheaper than Intel CPU devices. Some of the
    Windows 10 on ARMs laptops are not that cheap. I hope they get cheaper so they
    can compete with Intel CPU devices. in fact i think Intel will make it's OWN
    custom made ARM's CPU to get back into the mobile field to some degree.
  • Microsoft is committed only if Windows 10 on arm is profitable. If Win10 on arm doesn't generate sufficient revenue they will only keep it around for a finite period of time. Silly title for an article since it is untrue and not based in fact.
  • I don't see a big thing with Windows 10 ARM, at least not just yet. Not saying that it is bad or slow. But I won't use a tablet to run my PC apps.
    Besides, can you check your surveillance cameras on your HP Envy 2 without using a third party app?
    Can you deposit a check on your bank account? I don't care about third party apps. I will not give someone I don't know my security devices passwords and access to my devices. That is a big NO-NO.
    Without the modern apps available in Android/iOS, ANY mobile/pocketable/portable/small form factor/Surface Phone/Andromeda (you name it) will be dead-on-arrival.
    Nadella should had listen to Ballmer when he was suggesting that Windows 10 should run Android apps natively.
    You will probably say that PWA or UWP will catch-up, but bring me the apps first, then I will buy the hardware.
  • So being objective, Microsoft first tried this with Surface RT. Didn't work then as nobody bought anything of use from the store (new at the time). Times haven't really changed all that much. From a 'slinging mud at a wall and see what sticks' mentality - this device will likely succeed if creatives, educationalists or gamers buy it. The only likely demographic will be educational (it's not powerful enough to service the other two consumer sectors Microsoft is involved with). So let's see what happens. For the average consumer user - too restrictive. But don't take my word for it - let's let those consumers who got burnt multiple times in the past, try their hand again. I did and I won't be this time.