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8 images of the Lumia 950 & Lumia 950 XL the Microsoft Store did not want you to see

The Microsoft Store accidentally listed the Lumia 950 and 950 XL earlier today and we saw a thumbnail image for each of them. After some digging, we noticed that playing with the image source URL resulted in more photos (more like official renders) and in bigger sizes too. If you're not a fan of leaks, stop reading now and close your browser! Read on if you want to see more images of these unannounced Lumias directly from Microsoft.

Lumia 950 XL

Lumia 950

Specs

CategoryLumia 950Lumia 950 XL
Operating SystemWindows 10 MobileWindows 10 Mobile
Display5.2 inches (1440x2560)5.7 inches (1440x2560)
NotificationsGlanceGlance
ProcessorQualcomm Snapdragon 808Qualcomm Snapdragon 810
MaterialsPolycarbonatePolycarbonate
Rear Camera20MP F/1.920MP F/1.9
OISYesYes
Rear FlashDual LEDTriple LED
Front Camera5MP5MP
ConnectorType CType C
RAM3GB3GB
BiometricsIris scannerIris scanner
Internal Storage32GB32GB
External Storagemicro SDmicro SD
Battery3000mAh3300mAh
Fast ChargeYesYes
Wireless chargingQiQi
Removable batteryYesYes

In fairness, with all the earlier leaks on these phones these renders don't tell us anything new. Still, you can get a little more excited at what is to come, including more validation about these phones.

We'll know more information about these two devices at the Microsoft event on October 6th. We're also expecting new Surfaces, new Microsoft Band and other accessories. For more details, check out Dan's post on what to expect from Microsoft's Windows 10 devices event in NYC.

What do you think of the new Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL so far? Sound off in the comments!

Mark Guim is Video Editor at Windows Central. He switched to Windows because the MacBook Pro isn't Pro enough. You can follow him on Twitter at @markguim.

670 Comments
  • If it was really accidental... maybe yes, maybe not
  • There is nothing to gain by releasing early renders of a phone without much context. All they hype they need will come on October 6 where they actually control the message. Rest is just conspiracy theorizing by people on the internets. Too much X-Files.
  • That tin foil is getting too big on him :)
  •   Yep if there is any consiperacy it's by the employee that made the mistake. The phones are gorgeous though!
  • Come on Daniel. This is 100% controlled leak after the nexus announcement yesterday. They still want few people to wait and check this phone out before jumping ship. So, they just "leaked" it. I hope they leaked the price too.. 299$ for the 950 and 349$ for XL should be the unlocked phone price even if MS dont make any profit on it.     
  • The prior leaks said about $100 to $150 less than an iPhone and put the prices somewhere in the $600-700 range. The rumor said that they would provide $200 of accessories, like the munchkin, as a concession.
  • LOL for $600-700, no thanks.  
  • If that's true, these phones won't sell well at all. The design doesn't demand that kind of coin. I'll wait a month or two after the price drops $200 because they can't get anyone to buy them.
  • What is more worrying is the question whether these phones will be sold worldwide or initially just for select countries like Surface? If this is true then there will be even less people buying them, shrinking the market share even further.
  • The lumia brand under Nokia had the shittiest world avaialbility, microsoft has been actually really good at getting all their MS branded Lumias out to all their markets. The nokia lumias couldnt even get into canada, Canada we're talking about not some random country far far away from the states.
  • I got a Nokia Lumia 710 in mid 2012 at a Rogers dealership that happened to be clearing out their inventory of them ahead of the Windows Phone 8 launch. Later I got a Nokia Lumia 520 also from a Rogers dealerships. Yes it's true that Rogers did not promote Nokia Lumia as much as BlackBerry, Android and iPhone but it's untrue to say they weren't available at all in Canada. 
  • While these are Windows Phones and therefore have to be priced somewhat competitively, I don't get why people expect these devices should be priced like mid-range devices. It has absolutely top tier specs and hardware. If not, name some hardware that comes with better overall specs. I'll wait... ...only thing that is comparable in terms of overall hardware package right now is the Note 5 in my opinion. And the only real advantage of the Note 5 that I'm aware of is the built-in stylus. But the Lumias will have MicroSD, removable battery (rumored, I'm not convinced yet), USB-C, Iris scanner, and Continuum support. All else about the hardware seems about equal -- unless you enjoy the shatter-prone glass back of the Note 5. And this is from somebody who is seriously debating between the Note 5 and Lumia 950. One of these will be my next phone. It's all going to come down to the software, because the Lumias already have more flagship hardware if all the leaks and rumors pan out.  
  • I like my Note 5 but I like your mention of the glass back.  First phone I've had a case on since... I don't know.  A loooong time.
  • I'm also waiting for someone to name a phone with higher specs and features. I'll bet there are none. And I'm not talking about curved screens and 3D touch. I'm talking about screen resolution, camera, and CPU. And if Apple came up with an iris scanner and the ability to connect to a second screen with full sceen desktop style apps, the internet would have exploded. If Microsoft does it, it's "meh". 
  • "if Apple came up with an iris scanner and the ability to connect to a second screen with full sceen desktop style apps, the internet would have exploded. If Microsoft does it, it's "meh". " Absolutely agree with this. Let's see how it works in practice, but both of those are really awesome features.
  • Would you buy a good looking car with nice engine but has wooden benches for seats, The music system wouldn't  play the songs you want.... Nobody is saying that the Specs are 'Meh', The looks are debatable... And if pricing rumour is correct, its DOA... Only the hardcore fanboys will buy... I think $/€299 & $/€350 will make them much more desirable...
  • Well the pricing of the new Nexus phones is pretty competitive.  They should be priced in that range I would think.  So around $380 for the 950 and $499 for the 950XL.  That's what I would hope for.
  • More like 500$ for the 950 and around 600$+ for the 950XL
  • LOL. When have the Lumia's ever been that cheap? They'll both cost more than $600. The price might drop later but I doubt it.
  • We should all remeber that Microsoft's CEO made a statement that he was concerned about the cost of phones.  If the BOM is $200 to $300, why would Microsoft demand the same price as Samsung or Apple?  If the 735 is selling for $197 on Verizon, why would Microsoft sell the 950 for $700? 
  • The nexus doesnt have the similar spec high spec camera, No wireless charging, No OIS, No expandable memory ...so why should it need to be priced in the same range as the Nexus other than for "competitive" reason?  
  • Does there need to be another reason other than to be competitive?
  • Well firstly, considering the more features the Lumia's have (which arent gimicks either), I would say, those already make it competitive but that's just my opinion I guess.  Either way, when people go out to buy these phones, both, Nexus and Lumia CAN be considered a "niche." In Nexus' case most Android users tend to buy the likes of Samsungs, LG, HTC, Sony etc. some don't even know what a Nexus is, and it's not widely availble as other Android devices.  In Lumia's case, they are recognized but still not "accepted" and are also still not widely available, so when the general consumer is choosing between a Nexus or a Lumia, they are basically going to choose according to the OS they prefer, not the features ...the features might just help peek their interest but choosing one of these devices means they already know what they want, otherwise they would stick to one of the more recognized brands.
  • I understand your point but if MS wants to suceed they need to make thier phones "affordable". They cannot sell them at a price equal to or higher than the comeptition because while most fanboys like myself will have no problem spitting out the money for a new lumia, the rest of the 97% cell phone buyer population out there will have no reason to purchase a Google or Apple product over Windows. Alot of them are not techys like us fanatics and they cant see the same value we see in MS's products, they only go with the flow of the 'normal' folks and go either android or apple. MS needs to have price that will CONVIENCE them to TRY a windows phone and give WM a shot. 
  • I completely agree with you that MS should be selling their devices at competitive prices BUT if )and that's a  big IF considering MS's history) they market Continuum really well and give it attention it deserves, then they should be ok and I say this because I believe aside from all the other features the  Lumia's have over the competition, Continuum alone will give people reason to appreciate these devices even more. ​ On that note, I believe MS is perfectly fine with pricing their devices on par (or even slightly above) Android devices but they should definitely be below iPhones because unfortunately, the general consumer doesn't really look much into specs; their version of specs, is the Brand name and the price tag attached to the device and that's what defines "High-End" to them.  So, if MS were to price their devices below Androids, it would possibly give the impression that these devices are "cheap" or at the very most mid-range, when they are actually, technically superior to most flagships on the market, especially with continuum on board.  In short, MS can't "degrade" their devices, if anything, a "hefty" price tag and appealing design, might peek peoples interest to ask more about the device, which  is where I hope MS will do a better job covering their grounds and point out Continuum as well as other stand out features. It's really a tricky game but I think as long as they are priced below iPhone's, they'll be fine.  I say iPhone not because I think they are superior but because the general consumer believes they are the best devices out there, so while MS does need to price competitively, I also don't think they should make their high-end devices look cheap either.   I believe the polycarbonate design, will play a role in keeping the cost of the device lower, which inturn will allow them to price competitively and if so, then it was definitely a wise move for MS and if they succeed I'm sure we'll see an aluminum (or whatever new material) update in the future.
  • The main problem is that you can find excellent Android phones starting at $200, such as the Asus Zenphone 2, to the new Nexus 6P, starting at $500 for 32GB, which has pretty much the same specs as the 950XL. If these cost $700+, they are going to have a VERY hard time finding buyers.
  • I hear your argument and I agree but they must be priced lower than competing devices simply because the specs and the OS alone are not enough to move people yet especially without _______________ (fill in the blank) app and _________(fill in the blank) feature available yet. A wisely priced phone may be the only and biggest tipping point for a lot of consumers. A cheaper, not cheap, price could get the Lumia 950/950XL in the hands of a lot of people and then maybe we can see the fruits of the labor from the app bridge projects and Continuum features.
  • Yes!! I agree 100% despite the better features, their biggest problem is the lack of apps. Make the price irresistible. Heck take from the advertisement budget (lol) to make it less than the nexus flagship and we might have hope.
  • Yeah, they should priced these phones very competitively if Microsoft is ever wanting to gain marketshare and expand its ecosystem. Maybe these way they can break the chicken-and-egg problem.   Pricing it way "cheaper" than iPhone and Galaxy is really what they should need to do. With these specs, its hard not to take notice with competitive price, it will also justify its looks. Continuum would be a nicest feature they can have too.
  • We should also point out that Window Phones have better marketshare in other countries.  Some markets are over 10%.  hopefully, Microsoft can sell the the 950 in these markets.  Maybe they can get them into India.  If they can sell abunch of the phones overseas, then maybe they can take the profits to keep building the ecosystem.  In any case, the US customers are beholden to Microsoft's engineering/marketing/production operations for better phones.  My 928 still works fine, but I would like a new phone.  I just bought my son a new iPhone 6s.  So I am not in a hurry to spend another $600 on a phone.  If it is priced below $500, then I will likely buy one quickly.  Also, I am on verizon which makes it more difficult to get a new windows phone.  Verizon is not big on windows phones.
  • They need to be close to the new Nexus-devices as they are comparable spec-vise. The differences are basically camera tech and iris vs fingerprint biometrics.    As for Continuum it doesn't really have any demands for hardware that isn't there in all flagship phones, so that in itself does not defend a higher price.
  • Dont forget,  the new 950's work with the surface styli..So, another point for the lumias.   I am ordering one right away.  Just got my surface 3s with dock ordered today,  adding a new touchscreen monitor and ms design keyboard and mouse for our office.
  • "the new 950's work with the surface styli". When was the last time you saw that particular feature rumored? I don't think I ever saw it for the 950, just the XL, and then it has been a missing part of the 'leaked' specs for some time. Isn't in that list up there.
  • BECAUSE they are Windows Phone is exactly the reason the phones need to be priced lower. MS is going to have to take a hit on these in order to get more distribution. I agree the specs look good, but pricing them high is not going to increase market share. Actually, if MS doesn't get some serious marketing going, they aren't going to sell regardless of the price.
  • From reading people's comts, it clearly shows how ignorant these people are and how thy have NO CLUE what """SPECS"""" means. I mean if you compare the iJUNK and these AWESOME phones SPECS, it clearly shows what a garbage and 4 years behind technology it really is, with a huge price tag, and these people are ok with it. Come on people, WAKE UP. Are you guys that dumb, or you can't read to compare????? 950 and 950XL phns are incredible with killer specs. I can't wait to get my 950XL ASAP on the 1st day. people at MS retail store in my town are holding one for me already. 
  • They don't need to hold them for you... You will find one with no issues...
  • what features in iPhone are 4 years behind? they have a new SOC that seems to deliver and their display is top notch. I am not an Apple user but calling their stuff 4 year behind crap is a tad incredible
  • Phones like ZTE Axon Pro. One Plus are high end specs at under $500 unlocked. 3-4gbs of RAM. QHD Displays etc. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • It should be priced below the copetition because WP only have 3% marketshare. They can't act like the a equal to Apple or Samsung - that would be stupid but then again MS has been making ridiculous decision for a decade. Sony makes excellent devices and they cost much less than Samsung and Apple. My old Z3 (had top hardware at the time) only cost 500$.
  • Amazon sells h/w at a loss and makes it up in store purchases MS may have to sell at a loss or at little to no profit to proliferate the platform and grow their base. There have been more and more Lumia's sold but they are loosing market share. They will have to earn their profit in after sales activity.
  • The Iphone 6s BOM is in the mid $200 and they still can sell them for $700.  I would assume the BOM for the 950 is similar or lower.  Why would Microsoft sell them for the high $100's.  They should get plenty of buyers at the $400 to $500 price range.
  • Supply and Demand Curve Buddy.  When you have ZERO Market, Your Pricing or features must be BETTER then the compitition.  Since we know the Features are not Better, then they must be agressivly priced.
  • I'll buy one day one...that pesky disposable income I have...
  • I have to agree. Although the specs justify the price in comparison to other phones, the lack of popularity means it should be discounted in order to attract business.
    The end of phone subsidizes in the US is a huge problem for Windows Phone that I haven't seen people talking about. It's no longer a case of getting a nearly free phone every 2 years. That makes jumping ship to a new phone ecosystem that much more of a risk. To overcome this Microsoft needs to price these phones at cost until there is an actual demand for Windows mobile. Pricing to match Samsung is not likely to induce people to switch.
  • The 640 then 550 is a phone to drive "sales". These phones relately speaking won't sell well at all so.... raise you hand if you really still think 1. MS wants to lose $ on each 950/XL and 2. a higher price (to cover full cost of device) will notably limit said sales
  • Exactly, Microsoft already stated that the high end phones are for enthusiast not your every day user, namely is who already own Windows Phone. MS is not anticipating high sales of these and as long as they are available from every carrier, including globally, they should do well enough.
  • No need to loose money, Sell closer to cost and don't expect profit until you have a market share and Devs are interested in supporting the platform... Selling with high margin would limit the sales, and the marketshare and they won't make much money anyway and would have lowered their marketshare even more
  • Show me one other phone that has nothing but glass up front with no aluminum or anything sticking out and showing? This is gorgeous.  And you will see once you see it in person.  And honestly S6 is a great phone to look at. But when you use it you realize just how bad it is.  And it's actually ugly everywhere else with the weird thick bottom and the morphing of the OS because of the bent screen.  The iphone 6 is much better looking than the s6.  But honestly I'm starting to think this one will be the best looking phone.  Maybe the back isn't super amazing but it's still nice but the screen will be unbeatable.   I have never seen anyone with a metal shiny phone without a case.  they are scared it will break.  this puppy will likely survive a lot more.  In fact, my lumia 830 has the polycarbonate back and it looks really nice in person, doesn't look great in pics.  But man that thing takes a beating and never a scratch or anything on it.
  • I don't have a case on my One M8. And I know I'm not alone.
  • No you are not.  My friend didnt' have one, dropped it and it shattered.  He has his on android.  He wishes he got a wallet case like me.    
  • I have the 830 and do enjoy it except for a numer of things.... - the metal frame is scratched a bit, especially the cornres. - I wish the corners were more rounded like the 950 shows - every time I take it out of my pocket, I inevitably activate the search button. Perhaps this is a "feature" anticipating what I might want to do - but it is annoying.  - the back tends to fly off when if it is dropped. I have had to snap it back on way too many times. I wish it had a wrap around case. - I hate that I cannot import map information exported from Google Maps.  - what is the best way to search for a calendar event? there is no search option in the app!
  • I know what you mean about the back cover flying off, as I have dropped my phone over 30 times I bet.  BUT...I have a theory that this back-popping design "feature" has actually saved my phone screen from breaking.  My theory is that upon impact to the ground, much of the impact/shock to the phone is absorbed by the energy released from the back and battery giving way and skidding across the ground, whereas with one-piece designs all that energy is forced through the screen surface plane. Of course, I was never good at science either though... :-)
  • Same with my 920, never a case and been dropped a dozen times on concrete and nary a scratch.  However, three broked screens later on my 1520 and I'm back to my 920...screw that (albeit gorgeous) phone...   Here's to hoping the 950 will be similarily durable to my 920.
  • Haha it sounds like you're too used to Apple-like updates where the device's housing must be amazing looking or the whole device is garbage. Check out the specs and tell me that an 8 core CPU, 3GB RAM, and 32GB internal storage with microSD expansion aren't worth that price. An iPhone 6 Plus at the highest capacity is $600 on contract.
  • Microsoft can't charge Apple prices. Simple as that.
  • Nobody charges Apple's prices even though iPhones have tech mostly from two years ago.
  • Except they don't sorry to burst your bubble.
  • And I don't think they should. Apple has clearly marketed their products as a status symbol. Microsoft is reaching out to the everyday consumer and the lower income market. They released the 920 for $99 when they could've easily chaarged more.
  • Previous generation iPhone 6 with 1 GB ram had better performance than 2 GB RAM touting 930/1520... Take any app... and the apps were full featured too... When WP was underpowered then fanboys said WP doesn't need that much power, its optimised... Now when its finally matching Android... Look at iPhone Specs, Its shite....
  • I'm going to guess that your comment is saying that iPhone 6 was beter in regards to performance when you compare it to a 930 or 1520. It got a little confusing towards the end. I'm only going to briefly touch on the full feature app comment because that is an app by app basis. I've used the Fitbit app on iOS and WP, and I prefer the WP interface. To me the UI seems better thought out, I like the design of the app more, and it responds faster than my brother's iPhone app. However, there are developer that want to test the WP ecosystem with a quickly made app that probably has bugs and is missing features, but that is their fault and not the device. I'm not sure I could call the quad core CPU and 2GB of RAM in the 930 and 1520 underpowered. Even on my 920, apps launch and fully load faster than on iOS. I don't have any issues playing high end mobile games that are graphics intensive on my 920 or 930. iPhones are made well, but without a clearer comment I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
  • @jmagwp:
    I have no idea what there should be to get excited about. They actually got everything wrong about the design. Starting with the cheap plastic peel-off back cover, that does not exude the rugged, confidence-inducing sturdiness of Nokia's original Lumia polycarbonate build, to the camera hump, that tries to reminisce the Lumia 1020's camera unit, but in a successful attempt in crazy stupidity is covered with scratch-prone glass.
    And these are only the most glaring failures!
  • I have a 920. That polycarbonate isn't rugged. Yes it can take a few drops, but it dents, scratches, and cracks pretty easily. I bought the 920 in black and later replaced the shell with cyan. Both shells had the same issue years apart. The removable back isn't new for Lumias. Check out the 830, 520, and 730. It's a great feature so you can replace a dead battery with a charged one or replace an old battery that can't hold a charge with a new one. I'd rather pay $45-60 for a battery than pay hundreds for a new phone. Camera humps are a very common thing with smartphones. People want a thin phone with an amazing camera. To do that you need to have a hump or overall thicker camera. Take a look at the Nokia Lumia 925, 1020, and 1520. You can also reference iPhones and Galaxy devices. I will agree that surrounding the camera/flash with glass might not be the best choice, but Nokia did the same thing. Take a look at the 925, 1520, and the canceled Mclaren which had a 1020 sized glass section. I'd say look at the components of the device and be happy Microsoft is releasing not one but two flagship devices that are powerhouses with great screens, cameras, and batteries. People complained they weren't releasing flagship devices, and now that they are everyone wants to bash them for tiny cosmetic things. A phone is a tool to make you life easier. It isn't a status symbol or something that should be displayed in an art gallery. You'll have it in your pocket, bag, or purse most of the time. If they can pack power into a sleek and sexy form factor then go for it. However, I'll take two devices that are inspired by the 1520 over waiting for something that might not exist for another year if ever.
  • Gotta disagree with ya.  My 920 is a tank.  The last drop it took was from the top of my lifted jeep onto the concrete driveway and the screen is still perfect.  No case, no screen protector.  Super tiny millimeter chip out of the corner that is almost impossible to see in the black polycarbonate.  And then there were the other half a dozen or so drops onto floors that did absolutely nothing.  This is the most rugged phone I've ever had.
  • "canceled Mclaren which had a 1020 sized glass section" No brother.....Lumia 950 is the Mclaren device. The leaked pic was of prototype and now they have made few changes to the design.....Mclaren module had triple LED flash but many sites misunderstood it as xenon flash.....It is the same device that was earlier leaked as lumia 1820 with 5.2 inch QHD screen. 25 or 30 MP camera.....snapdragon 805 processor....Lumia 950 specs closely match with lumia 1820/mclaren specs.....There was no leaked lumia 1020 successor...It might be(or might not be) in the development but surely it wasnt there earlier.....
  • I'm thinking they will do an HP Touchpad with these. HP priced the Touchpad at the same price as the iPad saying that it let people know it was worth as much because it cost as much. Of course people didn't accept that and there was a firesale a few months later. Typical "premium" phones and tablets have a huge margin built into the price. MS is in no position to try and make similar money as Apple off their phones. They need to give consumers a better value proposition to make up for the lack of apps and general outsider status of W10M. An included bundle of accessories that no one (me) wants won't make a difference if the price is $700.  
  • in the same ball park regarding looks with Note series .. people send $700 on those
  • All I knows is that a lot of people at Microsoft were probably crapping their pants yesterday when they saw the 32GB Nexus 6P for $500.
  • No doubt. Particularly when the new Nexus looks like a Lumia.
  • @MikeSo:
    You know, "knowing" and "probably" [=speculation] are not friends that go well hand in hand.
  • You must be kidding? It has the worst design in history and is also worse in every way possible.
  • I saw one "leak" here http://www.gsmarena.com/spanish_retailer_leaks_lumia_950_and_950_xl_pric...
    As per the listing, the dual-SIM variants of the Lumia 950 XL and Lumia 950 will set you back €749 ($838) and €659 ($738), respectively. This compares with the iPhone 6s (16GB variant), which carries a price tag in the range of €740-€750 in some European countries - its Spanish prices are yet to be announced.
    I really hope that is not true. Microsoft can't possibly expect to price themselves the same as iPhones and get away with it. These are rumored European prices though, who knows how much it would be in the US.
  • There are some countries in Europe with high taxes like France. Problably in the US it will be way cheaper.
  • It will be expensive in Canada because our dollar is worth umm nothing :(  
  • How do you think we feel in Australia? Our dollar is in the dirt as well, plus we tend to cop the "Australia tax" so these phones could end up quite expensive here. I'm hoping not as I'd love to get a 950XL. If it ends up more than an iPhone 6S+ on contract then I may just stick with the iPhone. It will all depend on pricing, then if we even see them here any time soon.
  • It better not exceed $700 AUD. My hope is that the exchange rate has pretty much nothing to do with the price and even though it might be $599 in the US, it stil works out to be like $649 in Australia. Fingers crossed, at least someone else feels my pain
  • In the US, sales reps have already poisoned the water for Windows Mobile phones. But what I witnessed is that many MetroPCS customers from abroad(especially Europe) preferred the Lumia 640 over LG Leon, Samsung Core Prime or HTC Desire 626. And this had nothing to do with price but name recognition and trust in Microsoft products and customer service. Microsoft should have the ability to price these Lumias competitively with the iPhone for one simple advantage: Continuum!
  • In all fairness continuum is not useful unless you buy a portable usb screen.  Or there's places that offer screens so you can connect.  It's only useful for maybe college students who can't afford a laptop and a phone.  But a phone and a screen would be cheaper. It's the iris scanner that's the best.  Unlock phone quickly, even with gloves on.  Secure as the tpm chip holds data that can't rebuild the iris.  And convenient no doubt.   Screen on its own is going to be worth it with the all glass front design.  And all the goodies packed in.  I think however it will be more competitive with the Android phones not iphone.
  • @poopyfinger: >Or there's places that offer screens so you can connect. What, like your desk at work? Or your PC setup at home? Imagine, a world with computing devices other than phones. Makes you think eh.
  • But why would I connect it at home when I have a better PC connected to my screen?  Just so I could use a few Universal apps that are out on a weaker processor? You want to hook the crowd that likes to go work in coffee shops and other places.  If Microsoft partnered with starbucks and other coffee places, libraries etc.. and put screens there.  People wouldn't have to worry about carrying their laptops there, just bring the phone and do your work.   And when no one is connected to the screen Microsoft could run silent ads to gain back from the investment. I'm just saying to me continuum isn't useful.  It's just a cool thing.  Maybe in the future it will adopt more when there's Intel based phones that are powerful.  
  • Most probably, the type-C USB connector will work with HDMI.
  • Dream on... like forever. If they are priced 500$ they will be shit out of luck R.I.P MS. There is only so many ways to commit suicide!
  • These phones are for windows fans.  And the fans will buy them.  It's basically them giving back to the people who have stuck around while they continue to create even better stuff.  It's not to get people to switch from their current phones.  Some may no doubt, but we don't know.  MS actually has a 2 year plan for this.  It's a huge undertaking.
  • Not every fan. My Icon is running 8.1 just fine. I would like the XL but I'm not paying over $300 for it, regardless of the specs.
  • Then you likely won't get one.  MS would have to take a hit for that.
  • Then be prepared to get one second hand. I assure you it will over $700 at launch.
  • Well it seems like it since these phones though have respectable specs and cool features, it doesn't have much wow factor nor too desirable for consumers. The design is even hit-and-miss among its fans/supporters, some liked it and some don't, which for me there is indeed a design issue but not a serious one. Its just that the looks is too-safe and isn't as eye-catching as phones already in the market, even from previous Lumia flagships. Also I would like to add that they really have to price these very well, I think if they price it way lower than iPhone it would sell well. Nexus gain traction because of its price despites its bad camera but still got great specs. Basically Microsoft should avoid iPhone-like pricing as much as possible, only Apple can ask for Apple pricing regardless what product it is.
  • Indeed the phone is for fans... But its not MS giving back to the fanboys... Its MS taking even more from the people who have stuck with them for so long.... If MS really want to give back/award to loyal fand, then sell them cheaper and hope that they sell enough to increase marketshare... 
  • I really hope not, as I want to come back to the windows phone fold.  The nexus phone didn't really impress me much.  Hopefully this phone comes to Canada.  But that price would make it $1,000,000 in cdn.
  • iphone in canada starts at $899-$918 (depending which carrier you go with) for the basemodel 16gb 6s. So take off $150 from that price, yup we are going to pay $750CDN for it. Great.... Still can't believe with how bad our dollar is, we pay $400 for an iphone 6s minimum $70 plan per month
  • A week after waiting tears is not going to stop anyone from jumping ship. In fact, those that would threaten to do so will have already done it not just rant about it indefinitely. There is simply not enough info to say what happened as much as we have proven it in our own fabrications of reality.
  • Time to wake up dude, because you are dreaming at that price-point
  • "Come on Daniel. This is 100% controlled leak after the nexus announcement yesterday."
    Eh, you think a web master accidently having something go live is rare or unprecedented? Happens all the time. I see no gains from this, tbh. People will talk about this stuff next week. Like I said, conspiracy theorizing. Leaks happen. Mistakes happen. It's Occam's razor.
  • The simplest explanation....
  • If the photos had been full res it might have been an intentional leak, but these fuzz-balls certainly don't show the phones in an attractive light, hence it doesn't make sense as an intentional leak. Not for my $0.02 anyway.
  • "there are no coincidences" Graham Hess
  • You can speak all you like the fact is its true the leak was not a mistake. They knew this would get all over the internet. Simple as that Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Pretty sure that's be a loss
  • nice logic it might be true i hope the price will be like you said
  • Why don't they give them for free while they're at it?
  • Repeated "accidents" stop being accidents. How many devices have we seen being leaked "accidentaly" ahead of their time by their own makers?
  • You can never have too much X-Files Daniel. :)
  • Maybe its a "sympathetic leak" in honor of the upcoming X-Files mini series :)
  • I have a 1520 but once they hit the store whichever feels better in my hand I am taking it I already have the cash saved up, I think this could be a early Christmas present.
  • Hey dan do u really like these renders comparing designs what nokia used to make b4 like the 920,1520 etc?
  • Are you hearing any rumors on carrier availability? Hoping the XL is on AT&T, but rumors have been floating around suggesting that only the 950 will be on that carrier.
  • No the 950XL will be exclusive to AT&T Bank on it.
  • I'm sure. I just hope it is ALSO available unlocked from the Microsoft store.
  • The listings, at least in the UK, were for unlocked devices. So here's hoping for unlocked everywhere.
  • ATT is locked in, it is Verizon I have heard may not be.
  • AT&T and T-Mobile are certains.  Microsoft will more than likely sell a GSM unlocked version on their website. Now about supporting CDMA...
  • wait, what about the lumia 550????
  •  All they hype they need will come on October 6 where they actually control the message. 
    I used to work on TV spots for phone releases.  Everybody was fully convinced that the leaks came from the top.   Controling the message is exactly what is happening. We already had poor quality leaks of these devices (Spanish language etc) so this gets us looking at the real renders which is what they want us looking at and using for the imagery not fakes or grainy off-angle.  And the only people who pay attention to leaks like this are fans.   Building hype in the average consumer is what the big presentations do. They're for the conventional media to pickup and run (along with press releases).   Controlled leakage is for the fans so that the fans build hype for the mainstream events. 
  • Free publicity is gained.
  • After seeing these leaks and renders so many times, I'm starting to get used to this design. It doesn't really look that bad anymore. I'm really hoping MIcrosoft innovates with the camera, like Nokia used to. Having the largest camera resolution, being the first with OIS, etc.
  • I'd agree it's on purpose if those were gorgeous looking flagship material... but... they're not...
  • @Daniel Rubino  Why have there been so many accidental leaks this week?   
  • Maybe he's drinking too much water?
  • I want more X-files!
  • May be they want to distract everyone from Surface pro 4, that didn't get leaked yet.:) :)
  • Excited about the new phones, looking forward to an official release of Win10 Mobile. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Not to say that the leak was intentional but isn't it weird that this only seems to be happening with the phones?  We have not seen anything close to this with any other devices that are rumored to be announced next week.  The most I have seen is a picture of the Band 2.
  • You are so naive.
  • What can we expect from the 20 mp F/1.9 vs the 20mp F/2.4 camera on the 1520?
  • 100 % yes
  • dat ugly BEZEL tho :(
  • I know right!! That much bezel in the bottom part of a phone with on screen buttons is ugly and frankly a poor effort. But then again, they might look better in the flesh or on the release day. These are just rendered after all.
  • On screen buttons = I wont be getting either of these phones.
  • On-screen buttons = instabuy for me. No more accidental presses, look slicker, and rotate with the screen
  • I never had an accidental button press until everybody started complaining about button presses now it happens all the time to me lol like wtf
  • I don't see onscreen buttons?
  • They really don't "look slicker"...on screen buttons have been what they put on inexpensive Lumia's. They trained us to see them this way, and now they put them on their flagship. I personally don't like them.
  • I hope onscreen buttons are ok. I am eager to give it a go. The amount of times that I catch the damned hardware ones is shocking.
  • I dont get this "rotate with the screen stuff". My 1520's capacitive keys wont do that obviously, but that doesnt make it less useful. I still know what the 3 symbols are even if theyre not rotated. Its not like "OMG I rotated my phone and now I cant figure out which is which!". Total lunacy. In fact is takes away some screen estate.
  • Rotation is a nicety, not essential. They don't take away from screen real-estate at all. They usually increase the screen size and resolution to fill the space where the hardware buttons would be. There's also an option to hide the on-screen buttons, which means you can use the full screen for gaming, movies etc. Essentially, you get a bigger screen than an equivalent device with hardware buttons. They could also completely change the available buttons, or provide ways for them to be customised (both unlikely, but possible nevertheless). The devices are cheaper to make and you won't have any issues with HW buttons dying (not sure if that happens, but plausible). Essentially, everybody wins with SW buttons except those that just don't like the look of them. Even the latest Nexus has SW buttons, so the nay-sayers just need to get with the times.
  • +1, you can't call it a flagship and then put on-screen buttons on it.
  • You apparently don't know the definition of flagship then.
  • Nexus 6P is a flagship with on-screen buttons. Your argument is invalid.
  • Thought the same thing, until i smashed my 1020 screen and had to pick up a 640. Onscreen buttons make SOOO much sense now that im using them. Buttons can go away with a simple swipe. More screen for pictures and gaming. SO AWESOME! On screen buttons +1
  • I don't wan't to swipe away at buttons that take up my screen real estate.
  • He's not saying you swipe the buttons, he's saying you can swipe the bar down (which hides it) and gain extra screen real estate. It really does make for closer to edge to edge display than you could have with capacitive buttons.
  • Maybe we'll get 4 or 5 buttons on some apps!
  • I like how the buttons are on my HTC M8 for windows that down arrow hides them down. But I still think the phones look dull. For me its another oh well thing because I'm leaning to the 950XL which will be AT&T exclusive device. And I'm not going to buy a device I don't really like this time around just to use the OS.
  • I've seen a lot of comments on the top and bottom bezel.  Is there a phone in existence without a top and bottom bezel?  Isn't that where components live?  Speakers, microphones, connectors, sensors, etc.?  I would think that the only way to have a bezel-less phone would be to have a thicker device. 
  • When you have enough bezel that you can put real buttons there, then put real buttons there. If you don't have real buttons, don't have a huge bezel.
  • Look at the small bezels on the 1520, they're awesome.
  • Having large bezel top and bottom are industry standards.  Samsung, LG, Lumia, etc are waiting for Apple to set a new standard;-)
  • There's a phone without a top bezel, can't remember the name, but if you look in MKBHD channel on YouTube you'll find it.
  • There's hardly any bottom bezel, the buttons are onscreen remember.
  • Saw an android phone, odd manufacturer...Sharp maybe, had very small bezels' top and bottom...
  • Yes a Sharp Aquos Crystal. Beautiful design. Sprint CDMA only. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Honestly it's the onscreen buttons that make the bezel look bigger.  The dimensions that have been leaked basically state the 5.7" phone is smaller than the iphone 5.5" phone.  So it can't have that much bezel.   The screen looks amazing though.  And I like how they designed the glass so the case doesn't wrap around.  This allows you to have the strong case without it wrapping around the glass to make it look ugly.  The full front is pure glass.  That's awesome!  If you see a pure front glass in person you will see how nice it looks.
  • I'm so gonna shatter this so fast, I don't like cases.
  • Gorilla Glass 4 is designed not to shatter. http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/20/gorilla-glass-4/
  • I thought I read Gorilla Glass 3 somewhere in one of these articles!  I guess we can hope they are using that.... and 41mp cameras ;)
  • Oh I guess I assumed since it's out and MS would want the latest tech.  Guess we will find out on oct 6. Is 41mp really going to be that much more useful than 20?  Unless you're blowing it up and printing it on a poster I don't understand the use for it.  Most photographers I know have pro cameras that do not even have such high mp.  
  • Yes. With the 1020 you snap a photo of something you find relatively interestiing. However once you review those photos and you start to zoom into different areas of the pictures, you find all sorts of cool pictures you didn't know were there. One picture can turn into 3 crops of amazing things. You stop thinking about getting the perfect shot and just snap. You never know how much fun photography really is when you stop worrying about taking the perfect shot.
  • "ooh look a hot girl in the background".  I see what you mean now.
  • The lost pixels are going to detract from lossless zoom quite a bit, all else being equal. It is possible to overcome this loss if both the sensor quality and algorithms have been improved enough
  • BTW this is where i got Gorilla Glass 4 from.   http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_lumia_950_xl-7263.php
  • Thanks, too bad it also states no memory card slot, colours of the 930
  • These phone are made with Gorilla Glass 3 per the leaks.
  • Yah I think with Gorilla Glass 4.  it just gives similar protection with thinner glass.  If MS used Gorilla glass 3 but made the glass thicker then it will provide more protection.  And given how the cases wrap in, the glass is likely thicker than say my lumia 830.
  • I think I've hear that about every version of Gorilla Glass.
  • Like my buddy said, they already offer Windows Hello and Continuum... which no one else has. Why would they offer even more?  Gotta save something for the intel phones next year :)
  • I'd like a poop resistant screen.
  • OLED will be gorgeous...I actually look forward to that the most...
  • It really looks like about an average amount of bexel.  I do agree that they should have minimized bezel all around.  I think the Sharp Aquos Crystal is amazing.
  • If anything it's less than most phones on the market these days...
  • My L5120 has smaller bezel and it has capacitive buttons. Why can't they at least not make it as small and not BIGGER!"!#¤"&¤%(¤&I 
  • It only looks average because the on-screen buttons are hidden. When in use the effective size of the bottom bezel will double in size.
  • It's transparent though and you can change the color of the bar I believe.  Either way.  It's pure glass.  Even iphone if you look straight ahead has aluminum on the sides.  This is nothing but glass with the case wrapping into the glass.  When you see this thing in person with clearblack tech and amoled it will look gorgeous.    
  • It is OLED, the screen will blend in with the bezels'
  • How do you know it's OLED? 
  • Uhm...MS told us...many, many times...
  • Yep, you can make the bar dark, transparent, or match your theme colour. A bright blue bar (if that is your theme colour) will look part of the screen, not the bezel.
  • You guys really love to complain. You nit pick at everything, I think the XL looks great and it will look better when we really see it. All phones have bezels.
  • Yea definitely a controlled leak
  • If pricing data had been 'revealed,' something really key but still unknown, then it would be a more credible "really accidental." Agree with you about "if it was really accidental." Easy clue would be did anyone got reprimanded or fired by 'accidentially' making it available.
  • I really impressed with Lumia 950, 950 XL - only few days left : Everyday comes with new excitement 
  • Which one you are going to get and why? I think i still can use my 1520 for another 12 months and wait for next year's flagship. But who knows, once i see the phone i may change my mind.
  • I'm sold on the Iris scanner and that screen resolution. Really looking forward to them.
  • I'm tempted by the 950. I like my 1520, but could use something a bit smaller. Really need to hold them. And since I'll be buying off-contract, price will be part of the equation.
    Really wish they'd be available the day after announce.
  • Unless there is a Surface phone, this are the flagships for at least the next 2 years bro.
  • "this are the flagships for next 2 YEARS BRO!!!" thanks for that laugh, guy. Climb back in your tool box
  • Surface Phone is what I am thinking is in the works. We know that Microsoft can surprise us (as such with the Hololens announcement), I don't recall  that there has been any leaks of the 'Surface Pro 4' and there seems to be a lot of mumblings around the internet in regards to a 'Surface Phone'. It would make perfect sense for Microsoft to announce a 'Surface Phone' at this stage but also makes sense for them to carry on the Lumia branding/range with the upcoming announcement of the 950 phones.  Should be an interesting day and I am sure they will have a few surprises up their sleeves for us!
  • Why would they announce a Surface phone now when they are about to release these new Lumias? Would make absolutely no sense.  It would be like Apple announcing the iPhone 8 even though we haven't even seen the iPhone 7 yet.
  • There may not be another flagship if people keep waiting for the next one; support the platform or watch it burn...
  • These are far from flagships.
  • Why?
  • Because he doesn't know what the word actually means
  • Flagship is a company's best effort at the moment; this is Microsoft's best effort at this moment, as plastic as it may be...
  • People who think plastic is a bad/cheap material just go away. It's far more practical for a phone.
  • You really don't realize that no other flagship has a pure glass front? No aluminum or anything sticking out, it's pure glass.  And it's an oled screen with clearblack.  It will be the best looking screen on the planet.  And seriously drop your beautiful samsung s6 edge and this phone.  See which will survive.  My lumia 830 has the polycarbonate back and it looks really nice.  You think material makes the phone?  Using polycarbonate is a protection on your investment.  The initial leaks left me feeling really bad about the phone.  But these recent ones I realize just how gorgeous it will be.  
  • Shit is already burning we fans just dont see it. That being said i am buying the 950xl (ugly) if it is less than 600$ off contract.
  • I see a 950 in my near future... Main factor is size, but that triple flash is kinda tempting. I hardly use the phone's flash though...
  • Only in the XL.
  • I would hang onto my 1520 for a bit longer but I am tired of the screen sensitivity issues it has. That would be the one major flaw with that device. It drives me crazy most days.
  • Ditto.  The touchscreen issues are the sole reason I'll be ditching my 1520 for a 950 XL.  If it didn't have the touchscreen problems, the 1520 would be a damn near perfect phone to me.
  • Issues i am living with 1520 (RM-937) are:  Screen sensitivity issue : i had to tap on the screen harder to get the glance screen.  rotation lock bug : changing the orienation of the phone has no effect though roation loc is turned off.  Sudden phone re-boot: Connecting/disconnecting from bluetooth (LG neck band) time to time makes the phone to re-start. Not able to unlock the phone from time to time. - i get a call/notifcation. But can't unlock the phone. screen wont respond to my touch. This is really pissing me off.  Screen brightness adjustment: I set it to auto mode. But some times indoor it is too bright and outdoor too dark. I did not had any of these issues with my old 920. I used that phone for well over 30 months. So happy with that phone.   
  • Put tempered glass on it, solves problems... Fortunately, I've had two 1520's, still have them and they are daily drivers for me and the missus, but have had no problems..
  • put "tempered glass on it" - do you recommend any particular one? and these daily driver phones are with W10M ?
  • I have only used Nilkin so far.
  • i had loads of problems with my rm-937. i ended up returning under warranty and getting a 930 as a replacement and the 930 is without ANY of the problems my 1520 had. I miss larger scren hence going for the 950xl.
  • Rm-937 is what i had. Piece of crap. Got a European model later on with no issues.
  • Did you used 8.1 preview? Or still using? Some of those issues are on my 920 :( now wifi and Bluetooth are disabled.
  • Yea... Many times I was tempted to buy the 1520 ...but just too big...anyway still using my 920 after almost three years, but waiting to see the 950. The 920 has been a  really good phone ...
  • Just about sums up my experience, although in addition I get Sim Error every time I turn my phone on, with very little amount of time where it works. Batter also lasts all of 3 hours... With all these issues Id be stupid to stick with Windows Phone (more specifically Nokia and Microsoft) but I'll be an idiot and buy the XL, so long as its at a decent price.
  • Screen issues just started with my 1520 and got it on launch, gets old real quick
  • Agreed. Got old very quickly. i persevered for about 6 months tho!
  • Early models of 1520 had the issue. I sold mine then repurchased later the international version in green. Works like a dream.
  • I was unsure with earlier renders, but both look really gorgeous in this new image, I have never bothered with issues about bezels or other things, only the device must look gorgeous, Windows takes care of rest
  • They look fine to me. Not really sure what has everyone all upset about how they look other than I wish the 950 looked exactly like the XL as far as the rear design goes.
  • Agree
  • Agree, the back of the xl looks alot better. Looking forward to actually holding a white 950. Though the blue would have been nice.
  • Yeah, totally stupid there's no colour choices. Hopefully swappable panels do the trick
  • Well, maybe they will release color later...like the green 1520...
  • That would not be surprising. Seems to be the trend these days to initially release in a few standard colors then roll out the more "non traditional" variations. I would like a charcoal shell or even a matte finish in red.
  • Oh, yes. I'd buy the red one in a heartbeat.
  • I totally agree ...lets see a red one .
  • True. 950's back is ugly (atleast in comparison to 950XL)
  • Too me it just does not look "Lumia ish" in the way the XL does.
  • You know, I don't think it looks that bad...just look at it for a while and don't compare at the same time...
  • I do like it as a stand alone device. I believe most people expected the designs to be fairly identical similar to what they did with the 640 & 640XL which is why the little differences are surprising.
  • these are still renders at the end of the day. the actual devices may look nicer in the fresh! thats the one reveal MS are keeping back to launch :)
  • Exactly which is something I've been periodically telling people to keep in mind. Recent example would be the Nexus 6P that press finally got to hold in their hands and see in person. The black section where the camera in was causing everyone to create a fuss. Now that people such as Phil Nickinson over at Android Central, MKBHD and others have said that it looks much better in person than initially expected, people have calmed down. To a point.
  • All I see is that huge metal slab around the camera of the 950. WHAT AND WHY? 
  • +1
  • I completely agree. Why is everyone so judgmental about how a phone looks anyway. Most people (including iPhone users) always end up covering their devices with some sort of protective cover so you can't even see the phone anyway. I'm more impressed with what the phone has on the inside than what's on the outside. Iris scanner, 2TB capability for MicroSD, Continuum, USB-C, etc. These are items you won't find on any iPhone. And only one or two Android devices will have USB-C, but still no Continuum. If I'm going to cover my phone with a protective cover, what real difference does it make what the phone looks like. Polycarbonate is strong, durable, flexable and won't dent if dropped. Metal bends, dents, scratches and once its dented, it stays that way. I'll be happy to have my polycarbonate shell protecting my $700 device covered in yet another protective cover. For that matter, buy a protective cover that looks like metal and you're all set!
  • The only time my phone is covered is when it's in it's pouch case, in my pocket. I use the phone 'naked' and it's usually sitting on top of my pouch at work, coffee table etc. So yeah, I will see it in this form almost all the time. I have no problem with polycarbonate and think these phones look quite nice. A little conservative, but I'll happily buy one!
  • To me personally it's the rounded corners, on screen buttons, and the volume/power button placement on the 950xl. Also I'd like more color options. I'm not old and boring, need more than black and white.
  • That was actually one of my biggest gripes of the 1520 and even the 920 was the sharp corners.
  • What Sharp corners on the 920?  Maybe the 928, but the 920 is all arounded.
  • Where the flat top and bottoms meet the curved sides at a 90 degree angle.
  • And curved screen!
  • Curved screen in the 1520 has made tempered glass a pain...somehow, my woman's 1520 has a flatter screen alowing for the glass to adhere perfectly (yes, I bought it brand new, no refurb)
  • i would like to see 950 with Square Edges Like 730 Which will be beautiful ,so far 730 marks a good design alough its a mide range 
  • They're not gilded like all classy and luxurious phones. :-/
  • I agree, I think they look good, especially the back.  I know there has been some complaint about the bezel being too big, but there are 2 things I like about that.  1)  the square corners on my 1520 sometimes dig into my leg, so the rounded corners will be nice.  you can't have that without some bezel.  2) when you drop your phone, the main reason the screen cracks is because the edge of the glass gets hit.  The bigger the bezel, the less chance of that happening.  I personally can't wait for a 950XL!!!    
  • In response to your 2nd point, I'm not sure you understand what the bezel is. The bezel is still made of glass, specifically it is the black glass border on the glass screen, so no matter how big or small the bezel is, if you drop your phone on it the screen will smash. Are you getting it confused with the polycarbonate surround?
  • Well different taste, that's the only best reason we can get. In my case, I find those phones rather uninspiring, means no wow-factor or something that people will turn heads on the shop window to be curious. Another thing the design is not to unique anymore since the design theme of these phones are quite close to some Android phones. We Windows Phone users will still likely to buy it regardless but other people, Microsoft have to convince them and its hard, really hard. But yeah, I agree that I wished 950 would just have same 950 XL back design, also I wished to have 950 buttons also to be similar to 950 XL. That button layout in XL looks like a potential usability problem. Volume buttons are small that looks like the power button begs to be pressed when trying to adjust the volume.
  • Camera hump looks like a newer version of HTC one x on that 950!
  • Al I can say is wow.....images are not showing up in my tablet....
  • so, f/1.9 for the rear camera for both,  i am of the opinion that there is SOME difference between the two rear cameras... i think the diference in the size of the hump and placement of the flash makes this a possibility
  • 950 has double LED flash, while the XL has triple.
  • Yup, the difference in the thickness at the camera module would also seem to suggest there may be some difference.
  • An on purpose accident perhaps.
  • Does it really matter? All I know is now I can see the official renders rather than unofficial or low quality, I think I've decided on the 950XL. I prefer the 950 size but the ring around the camera puts me off. Now I know I need to save a bit more cash.
  • How often do you look at the back of the camera?   Just sayin'....
  • the 950 frontal actually looks quite nice, the logo really shines there
  • 950 has a very wierd mic location on the bottom bezel. Couldn't they put the mic on the edge of the screen -_-  A hole in the middle of glass is crazy.
  • There is one on the back side too. Strange.
  • That's for noise cancellation / surround recording
  • Yep. Two on the back for noise cancellation. They're fine though. I mean the back has speaker grille as well. But the FRONT! That looks so wierd a single hole in the glass. The should've put it on the edge of the screen where it meets the polycarb.
  • Well all I can think is that these flagships is purely utilitarian, looks is the 3rd-class here. This is why I find the look of these phones looks weird compared to Lumia before which are nicely proportional but remains functional.
  • That bezel of the Lumia 950 is far more better than dan d XL
  • i hope they have more high resolution pics with different angles of the phone...they need to make these phones look better...the black colour especially makes the phone look really boring...
  • Why they continue to use that odd shadowing on the back is beyond me. I don't get it...
  • Agree. Including a non black area around the on screen buttons. The white Lumia 950 looks so much better in pictures just because of that.
  • Theres this render video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPqi9gvhCEo
  • I don't know why they would change the power and volume button position.
  • I have a theory on that, let me know what you think. http://forums.windowscentral.com/microsoft-lumia-950-talkman/369732-volume-button-positions.html#post3237468
  • It;s something along those lines and obviously MS did not do it just by accident. Could end up like the off center space bar of the N97 back in the day though - good idea but people are not ready for it.
  • Oh Microsoft... sigh, but the 950xl looks good in white.
  • Noooooooo, they look ugly :( Wish they copied 830's design!! BTW awesome features.... IPhone get ready
  • I have an 830 and agree it's a really smart phone. All I really want is an 830 body with 1080p screen and a Snapdragon 810 processor.
  • As I stated above, who cares what it looks like if you're going to cover it with a protective cover anyway. Buy a protective cover that looks like metal and you'll be all set. But, if you're going to get the iPhone, let us know how that looks after a year of dropping and scratching it. Unless you're going to cover your iPhone too, then what difference does it really make?
  • You are the only one suggesting putting a cover on the phone, your statement presumes everyone will put a cover on theirs. I've had a WP since the L800 and never had a cover on so your point is moot and doesn't apply to me. In fact most people I know don't out covers on their phones.
  • Frankly I dislike the design of a Lumia 830 in favour of a Lumia 735. Very glad The 950/XL doesn't have a Lumia 830 design. Also the 950 will have a better in the hand feel compared to a 830/930( blocky metal on the edges). If anything I'd still like a small Lumia 1520. Or a Lumia 735 with 950 specs.
  • Once u get used to the squared edges, the 830 would get comfortable. But the best thing is the perfect grip you have on the device, it inspires a lot of confidence and allows you to operate whether single handed or double without fear of dropping it. I've never dropped the phone unlike my far more comfortable Lumia 620 which I eventually cracked the screen in the last of many drops.
  • The silver ring adds a little bling to the device.
  • The 950 is still boring
  • Compared to what? The design and specs are rock solid. Better than anything put out by Apple, Samsung, LG, Motorola or the the others.
  • Compared to past Lumias, especially the uber-sexy Lumia 925. The Icon, 830, 928, 1020, 1520, and 920 all look better than the 950/950XL.
  • Exactly
  • I loved my 920 as much as anyone, but I'd hardly call it sexy or claim that it looks better than these renders.  What is the obsession with the looks on these phones?  Too much pent up energy for the hard-core fans, lol.  :-)
  • lol
  • They're both WAY overly conservative designs.
  • Some people love clean (so obviously conservative) designs. Like me. Only the silver ring on the black 950 puts me off. Less conservative so I dislike it ;) In the recent render pics of a white Lumia 950 it looks great; the silver ring has been 'camouflaged'.   
  • Still disappointed about the split volume/power button mess on the XL... The 950 volume rocker is way better.
  • I know, right? Go figure...
  • I have a theory on that, let me know what you think. http://forums.windowscentral.com/microsoft-lumia-950-talkman/369732-volume-button-positions.html#post3237468
  • Nice analysis. I was surprised when I realized that I was one of those 99% people too :) Funny how all the brains work in same way.
  • i am a lefty and in your theory picture shown the hand is left handed. right handed ppl would have to use their thumb not left hande ppl. but i get your point and it makes sense in edition to the volume up and power to screen shot as well. once again your theory i really like but you have the hands switched.
  • I think it's a great idea and wish they did it for the 950.  I use my phone with headphones to cut the grass and sometimes just want to adjust the volume while it's in my pocket.  Having split volume up/down would be perfect for that!  950XL is too big for me.
  • Hmmm... I'm still not impressed completely. I am more concerned about the pricing out of the gate. I have a feeling Ms is going to price themselves out of the market with these phones, especially considering the relative negativity voiced about the phones designs.
  • 100% agreed.  These should be in the same ballpark as the Nexus 5X and 6P pricing-wise, and they almost certainly won't be.  The cameras and screens are better for sure, but that's not worth another $150, especially in regards to the screen.  Going past a 1080p screen on a phone is pointless.  Even 720p is perfectly usable on a 5" screen.
  • No, I see a difference between 1080 and 720 on my 1520. I also would love for this QuadHD screen on the 1520... But the 950xl will have to do. Yes, that .3" does make a difference. I compared it to the iPhone 6+ and those owners say: "ooohhh, see, much better"
  • My guess is that within a month or two the prices will come down substantially. That's been the trend with every flagship Windows Phone release so far.
  • Sure, but it's also part of the lack of vision and commitment - might be better to price lower out of the gate and maintain the price point, and try to get at least some new people into the ecosystem, than trying to skim off the cream of the bent up flagship phone deman among the WP fanbase. I am almost 100% sure that Nadella will go for the latter, I am afraid.
  • Still ugly.
  • Much different from the renders that were previously released, right? /s
  • Did anyone saw the date? 9:50 October 6. I really like the 950xl but can't accept the 950 - the design is just not attractive. The specs are awesome though. I think i will be getting the 950xl.
  • The phones look almost identical.  Not sure how people can say they like the design of the XL better than the 950.  Only real difference is the ring around the camera and the flash location.
  • Not seeing any images - Opera or Edge
  • Get a decent browser :P
  • Is just me or am I seeing a triple LED flash for the 950 also?! It looks like both have triple LED flash, not just the 950 XL as you guys said.
  • This. At least one new piece of info from these pics: both phones will feature triple LED flashes. This is much like the Qi wireless charging feature, which was first said to need some kind of "flip cover" to function on the 950, yet be completely integrated on the XL. It now seems very likely that both phones will include Qi, fully integrated. No covers necessary.
  • The wireless charging is my question too. I hope this is indeed a change from the prior leaks. The 950 is more my size, but wireless charging is too great to go without once you've gotten used to it.
  • I have to say... these two look much nicer than the recently announced nexuses, and i really don't get why people compain about their design. Especially the 6P's rear looks awful. Also i think they will look and feel much better in real life.
  • I think for once I might try the phablet as my next phone.  I'm especially liking the thinner profile of 950XL over the 950, especially after I put a case on it.  I hate thick phones.
  • They really are boring looking phones, especially for a Lumia. Can't believe so called flagship devices have on screen buttons, this means I definitely wont be getting either of them.
  • What do you mean in screen buttons? Do you mean the capacitive buttons below the screen which is where every flagship phone on the market has them the only difference is there is no press home button like iPhone which is the same thing every Lumia has ever had
  • Yes I mean neither of these phones have capacitive buttons, they appear on the screen, which is usually what the budget devices have. I've tried on screen buttons and definitely wont buy a WP without capacitive buttons.
  • Agree. My wife's HTC has on-screen buttons and I can't stand it. Makes it feel very cheap and doubles the effective size of the bezel when you use it. The good is that you can hide the buttons, but the bad is that when you do anything requiring the use of the buttons demands an extra swipe to make them visible.
  • How are the worse? Are they not as responsive? I would think that touch buttons are just as responsive but won't give you the tactile feedback. Do you just like having the buttons there at all times? Personally, I found it annoying to accidentally tap the the button. It happened all the time, usually launching cortana. The capacitive buttons are very sensitive and even getting close to then seem to activate them.
  • No. They are integrated into the display itself. In other words the last couple hundred pixels are used to display the buttons. Look at the 635, One M8, G3, and other phones if you still don't understand.
  • Literally every non-Windows Phone user I've ever handed my phone to has accidentally pressed either the Back or Search buttons, and had no idea what just happened. I'm currently using an 830, but this experience has been consistent for years. It even happens to me at times (though I of course know what to do). However, this doesn't happen nearly so often with my son's 640. There are actually benefits to the on-screen buttons.
  • Yeah, Thurrott noted this too and I agree.
  • I completely agree 100% on this. This alone annoys the crap out of me beyond measurability! Not to mention, my Lumia 1520 capacitive buttons are crapping out. My arrow (back) and windows logo (home) button are flickering on/off. I have to hit the phone really hard on the back bottom for them to stay lit for a few seconds. I can't wait to get the Lumia 950 XL.
  • This. Everytime my wife or kids use my phone they inevitably press one of the buttons and look dumbfounded as to why what they were doing dissapeared. Like you said, I do it every once in a while as well. I'll go to swipe away a notifiation and my finger will accidentally graze the search button. Also, isn't there a benefit to the on screen buttons in the sense that there's no possibility they'll break?
  • On-screen buttons are definitely a bonus. I've used both but there are more pros than cons to having them IMO.
  • I always have to hand my Icon to people and say "be careful not to touch the bottom". It works pretty good. I agree it's annoying, but not something I care about now when choosing phones, once I got used to it. It was hella annoying in the beginning though. I do prefer the on-screen buttons on the L635.
  • FINALLY, a flagship with a removable battery!
  • ...and micro SD, and Glance, and Qi...still wont' be good enough for people here though, lol
  • We want pretty phones...
  • "Pretty" is also a relative term. Plenty of people don't think an iPhone is pretty (and I agree). Plenty of Androids are not "pretty" either. Many Lumias were pretty...didn't really matter though. Just saying, this is subjective stuff. Look at the comments here, some like, some don't. My bet: When we see real photos, real video of it, people will shift their opinion.
  • And how many of the people asking for a pretty phone instantly put a case on said phone because pretty is also usually fragile?
  • Yeah the looks of the phones get way too much attention. I don't really care at all. Weight and size matters, whether it has a circle around the camera lens, I couldn't care less about.
  • I'll NEVER understand why people don't seem to get it! I LOVE the Windows Phone OS and I try(well tried) my best to sell folks on the OS, but with lack of APPS and the LOOK it just doesn't sell well. What you keep FORGETTING, whether you want to admit it or not is WE ARE THE MINORITY!!!! If WE want to get APPs and keep the Windows Phone community thriving there has to be GREAT LOOKING PHONES, because that's what appeals to the MASSES.  It doesn't matter if people put cases on them or not. They still want a nice looking phone. Illogical or not it IS WHAT IT IS!!!! Step one in the process it creating a BEAUTIFUL phone. I really don't like either one of these phones, but to be honest I'm getting a 950 because that's what's available and I enjoy being on a Windows Phone device...BUT I'M NOT THE MASSES!!!! Most phone folks don't visit ANY mobile blog at all. NOT this one or the family of Mobile Nation sites. They are not as informed as you or I. They are spoon fed information LIKE IT OR NOT. BEAUTIFUL PHONES GET PEOPLE TALKING in a POSITIVE way. Windows Phone needs that, so please get that through your THICK SKULLS. It's not about us individually it's about the whole and what the Windows ecosystem needs to continue to grow and THRIVE.
  • Beautiful = expensive and expensive devices are not what WP ecosystem needs right now to thrive. I'm getting a 950 because it has microSD and looks great.
  • This. Plus swearing off buying a device before seeing it in person & using it is crazy to me. There would be people saying these phones are ugly no matter how they were designed.
  • if iphones or some androids are not pretty, then it's not about that we should follow them. At least we need pretty lumias, so people can know lumias are always beautiful. and it's a flagship phone, so has to be pretty.
  • And phones with actual hardware buttons, not this on-screen crap.
  • Pretty phones don't have microsd and removable battery. Notice how pretty much all the aluminum flagships don't have those features.
  • Exactly. The putz that designed the 920 intentionally left out microSD because it ruined his precious design.
  • Off topic I know, but does wearing spectacles affect iris scanning accuracy?
  • As far as I know it shouldn't affect it.
  • where is the easter egg in the specs....I don't see it.
  • The SD and glance would be a +1 for me and my Icon.
  • I don't care so much about SD anymore with OneDrive being so excellent, but I can't wait to have Glance again!
  • Like most smartphones, it's all going to come down to the software: the user experience and the apps. Due to the app-gap argument, I can't see how these devices will be competitive in carrier stores, where store associates aren't invested in any one ecosystem over another.   The uphill battle continues.
  • It's an incredibly hard sell, unless Windows 10 apps really take off on all platforms. I don't know ifthat will happen, but I can see, for example, facebook actually making a W10 app now that it's also on desktop.
  • Price has to be right. These handsets need to be priced like the OnePlus One and 2. $650 or $700 is not going to fly especially sold unlocked flat out from the MS store.
  • are you kidding ??? the Lumia 1520 and others Nokia WP devices have these features.
  • *and* removable storage...
  • It looks better and better now. I was initially not impressed but may even bye both of them (950 for girlfriend, 950XL for me lol).
     
  • I did want one but I can't buy a phone for 5000-6000skr(450-550$) when it's so ugly!
  • If you think it's so ugly, then why do you want one?
  • * i did want one
  • Thank goodness for actual flagship phones lets hope they aren't as shitty as the 1520
  • Lmao what? That 1520 has been the best Nokia device ever made up until this point dude. Are you serious?
  • LOL the 1520 has both these beat in design alone.
  • I agree 100%
  • I was planning to get black XL since blue most likely not an option on release, but that white render looks a lot more refined, might end up going that route instead
  • I would buy it if it had some powerful sound amplifiers like my HTC 8X has. It's not a flagship in my opinion because of that. I mean..all of the Lumia devices have poor sound strength comparing to 8X/8S..
  • Had the same issue coming from EVO 4g LTE.  Beats audio was awesome compared to my 1020...
  • I think its damn schmexy
     
  • Please tell me the unlocked versions will work on Verizon......PLEASE!!
  • Of course they won't. Verizon needs a completely different version because of the CDMA band needed for voice.
  • Actually, the Qualcomm chipset supports CDMA, from my understanding.  so no need to have a "different version" as you put it.  Lots of other phones work on both CDMA and GSM so no reason these shouldn't be able to as well.
  • If they support VoLTE they will work on verizon. Even they have started letting GSM devices on their network as LTE is GSM based :)
  • Love it or hate it, I think we can all agree these phones look like the statue of David compared to those new Nexus phones. Which are basically big burner phones by design.
  • Yeah, those Nexus phones are ugly.  Especially the 6P.
  • I remember being so impressed with L920 when it was launched, but then when I bought it, it felt a bit too heavy and cumbersome. L950 fails to wow and impress completely, but I hope it feels nice in hand at least.
  • I really like the general look but - as I'll probably get the XL - I prefer the power n vol button layout and chrome ring around the camera on the 950... Ah well. Most important thing is that the camera is good tho!
  • Would have loved if there was a blue option.
  • I'm sure you'll be able to buy different colored backs for $25+.
  • They look terribly awful !! Judging by the competition those are not beautiful phones , not at all , even the apps' icons are weird :S just hoping that things get better in the event , or I'm considering switching to android :$
  • bye bye, enjoy android then... i wouldn't say they look terible. as for the app icons, they are low resolution renders.   People should really wait to see what they look like in the real world as opposed to the renders.
  • What android phones are beautiful? Certainly not the newest Nexus twins :) Maybe one of the Sony's?
  • What phones do you wear around you neck like jewlery? Seriously. Look at current phones and explain the huge visual appearance differences that qualify as 'beauty' ROFLMAO
  • Any info on how the Iris Scanner works?  Doesn't it need special software like an infrared camera?
  • An infrared camera is hardware not software lol. And yes it needs special hardware so it can't just come as an update to existing phones.
  • F/1.9 Is rather impressive, 930 is 2.2 which shows that Microsoft has been busy with under the hood improvements, hopefully by May 2016 we'll see design improvements, would love to see waterproof and have kickstand built-in the official cases/covers
  • Yeah, there's more to that camera module too. I may talk a bit more about it later. Shorter version: it's better.
  • I don't take alot of pix even with my Lumia 1020 can you please do a short cover on these f1.9 or f2.2 etc which is better lower the number the better??
  • In short. Yes
  • Yes, lower number is better. It lets in more light. 
  • Been waiting for you to kiss and tell about the camera...
  • the XL does appear to have a better screen to body size ratio... hmm
  • It looks like they partnered with xolo to make their flagship. Sorry Microsoft if the renders are real Lumia 950 is a flop show impacting win10 mobile ecosytem like windows phone. Bcoz design is a downgrade from such awsome looking devices like Lumia 930,1520.
  • I'm still happy with my 1520, but I want one 950 xl.
  • Struggling to like it, still hoping for a surface phone. I think ill pass for now yet again, my 920 still holding the ground
  • Good: Bezels are not really big especially at the bottom.
    950XL is looking better than 950. Neither of these devices are crippled specs wise. Both have very good specs and especially big batteries. Bad:
    Boring designs. 950 with Lumia 830 design and 950XL with Lumia 1520 design would have been great.
    Both devices should have physical buttons at the bottom instead on-screen ones.  
  • Totally agree with what you saymy Lumia 720 is 3 years old and WA waiting for Microsoft to make a flagship and all they made is this boring design. Lumia 1520 is still being sold online in India. I have to wait till 6th October being sure that the renders are real or not. Then I would go for a 1520 and install windows10 later on it when it arrives.
  • Actually, when you pull up the on-screen hardware buttons (you can either swipe up to show them or have them turned on all the time) the size of the bezel doubles. So in actual use the bottom bezel is huge.
  • Agree. About the design, kind of obvious that they don't want to overshadow others OEMs with killer premium phones, so they can bring new phone with Windows 10. Google's Nexus always had a ok design, just to showcase the new Android version. MS is doing the same. Of course, there isn't others big OEM now, but if MS don't make the first move (step back) they'll never come.
  • That bezel around camera on L950 :thumb down: :(
  • I agree... bezel on the XL is way nicer, but the side buttons on it aren't great... Hard to choose. Both are great, but neither are perfect...
  • Hope they release the phone soon after announcement. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • This phone is not sexy.
  • Maybe you shouldn't have sex with it then.
  • Best. Reply. Ever.
  • REKT Posted via.........deez nutz!!!!!!
  • I like the look, and I have the beautiful 930... Simple, clean, just nice. There are a couple of really big wins here I think... SD CARD expansion is huge! The ability to swap batteries (and potentially back panels for color), glance... And frankly, the full poly body is a good thing, I think... The metal on my 930 is gorgeous, but it gets HOT! so did my 925... I just think it is a windows phone thing, but having all plastic might help. Anyway... I am looking the potential of the big boy...
  • I like the specs. I hope the bezel is not as big as the renders show.
  • Well, when you use the on-screen hardware buttons the bezel doubles in size. Design fail.
  • That's great. Cause u hide em ! Silly.
    If they had real buttons the bezel would always be big and ugly.
  • and when you hide the onscreen buttons you get that back, so i don't know what point you're trying to make. It's tenuous at best.
  • You can alter the appearance as dark, match background, match theme colour. Make it blue if you don't want to make it look part of the bezel. The screen is lit anyway, while the bezel is not, so the bar always looks part of the screen, not the bezel, and doesn't 'double the size of the bezel' at all.
  • Is it really f/1.9 and not 1.8? 1.9 is a very odd number for f stop.
  • Galaxy S6 = F/1.9
  • LG G4 = f/1.8 
  • f1.8 on lenses is a rounded number. Because of the math of the lens size, projected area on a circular sensor, etc, f1.8 may round up a tenth to 1.9.
  • Good: Bezels are not really big especially at the bottom.
    950XL is looking better than 950.
    Neither of these devices are crippled specs wise. Both have very good specs and especially big batteries. Bad:
    Boring designs. 950 with Lumia 830 design and 950XL with Lumia 1520 design would have been great.
    Both devices should have physical buttons at the bottom instead on-screen ones. Honestly expected great looking devices from Microsoft since Lumias and Surface were beautiful.  
  • "Hey Barbra... seriously, please stop calling me. You've called twice already and it's only 9:50. We agreed we'd meet for lunch at 11. That's already an early lunch as it is, so I'm desperately trying to finish some work before then. I'll be there, so just relax. But for now, just please stop calling me!"
  • WTF are you talking about?
  • He's talking about the notifications and reminders that are showing on the screens of the phones lol
  • Take a look at the glance screen. Then you'll know what Jessicator is talking about.
  • I like how they look!!!!. Coming from the 1520 the 950 XL is my choice.!! What are you guys looking for ??? What will make you Happy? I love Windows Mobile OS and having tested Preview  10 I'm thirsty of a ' STABLE " experience !!
  • "What are you guys looking for ???"
    They're looking for an iPhone 6s body running Windows 10 Mobile... no Windows 11 Mobile... no 12, and so forth...
  • I'm coming from a 1520 as well, and I'm looking for something to wow me even more; not drag me down into the 630/640 gutter...
  • You certainly have a lot of contempt for budget phones. "630/640 gutter"? Really? I have a 640 in addition to an 830 and it performs like a champ. And it feels and looks great, too. A little less negativity, if you don't mind?
  • "What are you guys looking for ???"   A phone that looks at least as good as past Lumia's, which neither of these phones do.
  • Ew
  • Gr8!! Now looks better than leaks... But the design exactly the same as leaks!!
  • One of those was a 640 Xl image
  • Lol nope.
  • Really nice phones. Will be getting one of these next year. Buying it outright, no contract for me baby.
  • Well when the new Premium Windows 10 Mobile is officially announced and revealed, I can then give the answers to your question, but until then all I can say is I will definitely purchase the new Premium Windows 10 Mobile device ASAP when RTM.
  • Does these phones lumia 950 and 950 xl have a led notification light??? Bcz windows 10 mobile supports the led notifications so just curious to know about it... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • No idea, but Glance is there, which IMO is more useful. Not a fan of the LED on my Samsung.
  • Ha ha okay thanks.... Even I'm not a fan of led notifications but just wanted to know... Waiting to buy a lumia 950... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I'm not sure it's natively built into the OS, but I didn't hear that developers can use it within their apps. We'll just have to wait and see.  
  • dont like the edges.   why not 3.5d gorillaglas like the 930?
  • If 950 fails windows mobile would fail too and with that design I think it would fail.
  • Absolutely boring design. We waited a long time for a new flagship and this is the best they can do? It almost looks like MS think it's not going to sell so why spend a lot of time and resource on design. If they stretch out the Zune HD to 5+ inches and slap WM10 on it, I'll throw money on them.      
  • I'll take a reworked, resized 720 and pay a pretty penny extra!
  • That would be nice!
  • Hoping to get Lumia 950 to replace my Lumia 1020... Hope it comes with wireless charging inbuilt without any cover thingy
  • Both come with qi charging built-in.
  • @xrs22, I hope you're right and it looks like it from those specs, but the prior leaks on this site said the 950 (unlike the 950XL) would require a case to get the wireless charging. I hate phone cases and won't use one, but I also don't want a phone as big as the 950XL...
  • In the first image of the 950... it actually looks pretty damn nice! Can't wait!  
  • the 950 seems to have a triple led flash... you can see this on the pictures
  • Ugly. Swing and a miss. Maybe the Surface Phone will be what we need.
  • You are living a dream
  • Well, when real life is a nightmare...!?!
  • Camera should've been positioned a little below,like the Lumia 830
  • I think these two
    SUPER MODELS are the Complete Package of Technology needed ( Almost ) ..
    And I think only thing they have left is FRONT FLASH..
  • Well the screen could light up, like the iPhones... Problem solved lol
  • Do like Apple, use the screen to flash
  • On-screen hardware buttons. Design fail. This proves that I'll be sticking with my 928 and Win 8.1 for some time to come. I was excited about Win 10 and its potential, but Microsoft is tripping every step of the way with its design decisions. Yes, I've used W10M on both my Icon (before I shattered the screen) and on my 928. I don't care for it, too many poor design decisions in my opinion. Many things that were incredibly easy in Win 8.1 are now convoluted and illogical. Overall I feel Win 10 is a big step backwards.
  • Never thought I'd say this, but it looks like iPhone 6/6S is the best designed smartphone on the market right now. 950 design is incredibly bland, it's incredible how much the design of a phone can change when you change the color of it. Shame, shame.
  • Although I don't like iOS, apple has always had the best phone design, sleek, slim and modern. Microsoft and Nokia never made such a phone.
  • The Lumia 900, 1520 and Icon all look damn cool, IMO.
  • Disagree. IPhone designs have never really done anything to me; the N9/800 on the other hand...! Or the 720 - what a beauty!
  • Samsung has put out some lookers this year too. And I actually like the look of the new Nexus 6P with the camera hump and chamfered edges. It shows that someone thought enough about the design to add some small detailed design elements to it. There are no design elements to either of these devices outside of their camera humps. But I'm not criticizing their choices. Just stating what I see.
  • Untill you have to use it. No wireless charging possible, speaker gets blocked while playing a game. Cover needed to keep it unscratched/dinged. Like what about changing from black to white. The 950 design lets you do it with just a swap of the back. There's more to design that just shiny (getting hot in the hand) metal.    
  • I like the look of the 640xl compared to these but that's just based on the pics. I haven't tested a 640xl, one it's not on my carrier list(surprise,Verizon) but I did check out the 735, which feels like the 928, but imma wait until I get hands one or I'll just keep on with my dented Icon.
  • Your slideshows don't work in IE.
  • I'm afraid the "pretty" phones will have to come from HTC &/or other partners. Looks like MS phones will be all about proving the software.
  • Those do look SHARP! I will most likely be getting it...but the big question is will T-MOB supporting Windows phones and hopefully they don't become ATT exclusive craps
  • Daniel has voiced his belief that the Lumia 950 might be an ATT exclusive so I'm holding out hope with you that we at least get the 950XL. I don't own a credit card and right now T-Mobile is the easiest option for me to get a brand new phone with 0% interest.
  • Need to retire my Lumia Icon
  • Me too. The battery only lasts about 6-7 hours now, down from well over 24 hours with normal use a year ago. I'll even pay the penalty to leave Verizon if these will be sold unlocked at a reasonable price.
  • the designs are on the conservative side but I like them. They are both clean designs and featuer presumably top notch cameras, nfc, expandable storage, good internal storage at 32GB, 3GB RAM, Qi wireless charging, broad lte band support, slim design, high-res screens, iris scanner, and removable batteries that are larger than its competitors aside from the Nexus 6P. There isn't a single other phone on the market that is offering all of that in one package. I'm excited for Oct. 6th and looking forward to rocking these premium handsets.
  • Smart man. I agree.
  • Aside from general design, why would side button design language is different in 950/950xl? Looks so unprofessional. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Nothing about the NFC Mobile Payment...........
  • what's wrong with the classic 4.7 -inch. are too big in my opinion
  • I agree. They need more 4.7" phones with high end specs, what the hell happened to this market?
  • Only Sony and Apple believe in making great 4.7" devices these days.
  • i keep thinking (hoping) that microsoft has released all these renders on purpose... then on the 6th everyone is truly shocked that the 950 & 950 xl are completely different than what has been shown... true killer phones for the amount of time we endured for a friggin genuine flagship...
  • Exactly! Oh, that would truly be sweet!
  • That would be epic but I don't think that is the case. I live in hope.
  • Aren't these the same renders that were leaked previously?
  • Is camera bumps a new trend or something?  Because I am not a fan of that trend, if so.  That and the on-screen buttons means Microsoft really has to work to sell me this phone (assuming Verizon works for them).  Hopefully they don't price it like a flagship, but who knows.
  • In a way, yes; the trend is to pack the biggest camera into the thinnest package. As a result, the space required for a camera sensor increases and you are left with two options; a) leave the camera area raised to give a thin design on the rest of the device, or b) make the rest of the phone extra thick (and heavy) so there is no camera bump. A is of course always the winner. Personally, I don't mind a camera bump (I'm a 1020 user) as it doesn't hinder my usage of the phone in any way, and it actually adds a bit of character to the device.    
  • This. I had no problem with the bump on my old 808 either.
  • Agreed. I'll only add that I have zero problems with the phone chassis being made thicker if it'll incorporate a bigger battery - I'd chose that every time.
  • 950xl is pretty impressive as compared to 950 for rear design....... Blue colour of 950xl is heart ♥ touching....950 is little bit boring.... I've 830 phone..... Hope new flagships design look like 830
  • The only valid question concerning these phones is as follows: What's the size of the sensor in the camera?
  • What could have been of my Palm Pre 4!
  • These phones are a joke, if this is best MS can do that is just sad, after the run Nokia had. Bulky outdated design, stupid placement of volume buttons on XL, no capacitive keys on flagship phones WTF, just software on-screen keys. Other then running Windows 10 Mobile, there is nothing exiting about these phones. Come up with better designs, some unique features or just make a successor to the 1020, with same look just updated internals and microSD slot and you have a winner.    
  • What exactly about the design do you find outdated, and especially, bulky? This phone, to me at least, is in terms of look in 3rd place, behind the 1510 and the 830.  Also the on screen keys aren't a setback, if anything they are an advantage, now it'll be a lot harder to press a key on accident, which currently happens all the time to all the people that I know that have windows phones. 
  • Behind the 800, 720, 920, 1020, 1520, 730, 735... You name'em! They're fantastically bland!
  • This is your 3rd hateful comment on here. Either you're bored or trolling. Either way I think they have a lot of potential, but I will agree with you that since it has been about 2 years since their last flagship I did expect better. Specwise it's great, but now it's all down to W10M and project Astoria and Islandwood to make it even considerable for most consumers.  
  • Hunh?  These are going to be released late this Fall;  Astoria and Islandwood are a long term, years out, play. Nobody is going to buy either of these, for what may happen in a couple of years.
  • it's like they made the nexus devices that should have been released by google this year!
  • Is there curved glass like on the 830/930/iPhone6??? This goes a long way into making a phone look and feel premium.
  • No, there's a HUGE rubber ring around the completely flat screen to annoy your finger each and every time you touch it. My private phone is a 1520; my work phone is a 630. They're leagues apart, literally, and not just because of the internals...!
  • Your wrong. Really wrong.
  • @Daniel Rubino
    Is Navigation bar has Show/Hide type ( like L730 )
    Or just locked ( like 630 )
  • Show/hide.
  • Current design: "I waited this long for a bland and boring device! How lazy of you Microsoft!" If they followed the 930 design: "I waited this long for an old recycled device! How lazy of you Microsoft!" ;)
  • Completely agree. They had all the time in the technological world to come up with a better design or here's a radical idea: Use the same body from the cancelled McLaren as that was wildly more interesting than these. But I'm still all in for what they offer.
  • You didn't really understand the comment, did you? ;)
  • Currently using a B stock L925 that is eons better than the L928 I had for 2 years.  I hope these phones feel like the L925. I also hope I can use these phones without a case but if one is needed, then hopefully something is avalable like the L925 charging cover which adds no bulkiness and protects the camera lens area. Lots of hope in this post and for next week... One last thing to hope for - leaked renders of the new Surface....
  • i really want the 950 as opposed to the xl, spec wise they seem simular. Is the 810 and triple led much better?
  • I just don't want to wait till end of Oct for the phone. Drop it a week later
  • If they do as they usually do - being slow as F then we'll see primo nov if we are luck. Remember the L920 launch? Same story.
  • 8 images they did not want us to see, because they are incredibly ugly.
  • Have you seen the new nesus phones? thats ugly (hardware ane design)
  • That's funny, even if opinionated...
  • Honestly I'm not moved by these devices as being something worth waiting for after over a year off from the flagship space. They don't look better than a single previous flagship released and that's at least a little disappointing. But will I be picking one up? You better believe it. I'm further encouraged by the f1.9 aperture that these devices will claim the king of camera crown and the fact that every other single thing I want in a flagship is available in them makes these a definite buy for me. And I have no doubt that because of the late timing in releasing them after the iPhone 6S/6S Plus, Galaxy Note 5/S6 Edge Plus, Moto X Style, and Nexus 5X and 6P in order to attract more attention these flagships will be priced to steal. Sure we aren't necessarily getting the best looking devices this fall but for the price, the specs we're getting with removable battery and microSD expansion and Qi wireless charging and no doubt a killer camera, and the fact that we don't want to go to another operating system otherwise we would've left a long time ago(actually I did leave last October for the Xperia Z3 after the McLaren got cancelled), the 950/950XL can't be beat. But I'm ready to come back to Windows Phone especially with either of these phones. Excuse my run-on sentences. :)
  • Still ugly. 
  • Who uses a phone without a case...to the looks are not as important as some you state.
  • Lots of people use a phone without a case, including myself. I don't drop my phones.
  • Precisely.
  • I drop the phone all the time... but still I dont use case - ugly :-D But in this case it might improve the looks haha
  • Same here - I use a pouch/slip case when it's in my pocket, and I have dropped it numerous times in that case (and out of the case too, lol). But when I'm using it, or sitting at my desk, then it's 'naked' sitting on top of the pouch case. 
  • Now, now... don't be so hard on yourself.
  • I'm really going to miss the Xenon Flash in the Lumia 1020.
  • Lol when google Samsung and apple release phone u don't generally see articles like this...MS their O.S's established them. Here you got some headliners but no O.S. What purpose will these phones serve with instagram beta facebook beta candy crush and endless runners lmao
  • I really hope they price the 950/950 XL similarly with Nexus. Microsoft and other manufacturers cannot charge the same premium as the iPhone and Galaxy. A lower price can help attract new customers to the platform and increase developer interest with Windows 10 Mobile.
  • MS is too stupid to do that. They don't really think that their mobile division is dying!
  • I'm just happy that glance is back on a 900 series phone. Once you use it, it's hard to go back to a phone that doesn't have it. Or in my case, Windows 10 on my 920... I'm waiting til the 6th, although my 920 is getting pretty old now.
  • I want one.  Come on Verizon.
  • With this design of Lumia 950 they want to be succeed in this competitive market where the are so many vendor who can actually make better design at least better than this... God help them.... All the best Microsoft...
  • Having the Amazon app on the front there makes me hope that maybe an app will come out so we can use the phone for watching Prime Instant Video. Yeah, I know, it won't really happen, right? But I can dream!
  • And have the Netflix app updated to support 1080 like all other OS's, not just 720p...
  • mmmm want one in white
  • Wow both looks like garbage. Nokia's design was alot better than these!!
  • Anyone else noticed the edge between the screen and the body of the 950 mobile (not XL)? It looks like the screen is raised higher, which might make it look better or possibly just mean more scratches :/
  • Yes, I saw that too, and I don't like it. Look: http://i.imgur.com/PpDLETj.jpg
  • You just linked a photo from the article... in the article.
  • There was one leak that indicated that the MicroSD supported up to 2 terabytes. If this is true...these will be the only phones to shoot 4k video with, without storage worries!!!
  • Yes, but you can't buy 2TB SD ;)
  • One thing I dont understand... Why doesn't Microsoft use nice wallpapers/backgrounds in their photos? Simple thing that would make the phone look so much better. With these pictures, it looks like WP8
  • Exactly. This hero wallpaper makes the phone looks much uglier than it probably is.
  • I like the 830 design more. I would take that design over this Design anyday
  • So, we're stuck with black and white, huh? Can we even get the regular 950 in white? That's a bit disappointing. I think the design demands more vibrant colors.
  • Why don't they introduce a smaller Phone. I hate those baking trays. You wont get a higher class phone in a reasonable Size for that Platform anymore. Should I change for that reason?
    Get ourselves a TINY phone!!!!!!!!
  • I find these devices very beautiful. But then again I really like Fractal Design cases, which some people find boring and uninspiring. The only thing I dislike is the lack of front facing speakers, but I don't really consume that much media on my phone, so it's not really that big of a deal. Will definitely be getting the 950 XL. 
  • I just hate that stupid camera on the 950. What's with that stupid silver ring?
  • I believe that my Lumia 1520 is just as good. No need to get the 950xl. I actually think that the bottom frame is way to big... The idea is to get the screen as close to the edge a possible, that is what the competition is doing and it looks beautiful. Microsoft blew it in my opinion.
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