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Does Windows 10 Mobile have a future?

Microsoft's upcoming CShell for Windows 10 is a big deal, if only because it'll open the door to a whole new market of mobile devices, powered by full Windows 10 on ARM. CShell will allow hardware makers to build devices that are mobile-sized, but run full Windows 10 with a UI scaled to look just like Windows 10 Mobile, which would ultimately make our beloved mobile platform obsolete.

Let's be real here, Windows 10 Mobile has been out in the cold for a while now. Outside of upcoming Continuum improvements, which are thanks to CShell anyway, Microsoft hasn't detailed any Windows 10 Mobile features coming in the Creators Update. Some might suggest this is because Windows 10 on ARM will eventually be taking its place, and that's not so difficult to believe when you think about it. Why continue building an OS for phones that nobody uses when you can shove an OS used by millions of people onto the same device-type anyway? That's essentially what Windows 10 on ARM will achieve with CShell, if hardware makers pursue it.

So that leaves us with a daunting question, with CShell on the way, does Windows 10 Mobile have a future? While we can't know the answer for sure, it's always healthy to speculate and wonder, as we often do with Windows 10 Mobile. So where exactly could Microsoft be taking Windows 10 Mobile?

1. Do Nothing

Microsoft could simply opt to do nothing with Windows 10 Mobile and keep everything as-is for the foreseeable future. The company has said many times that Windows 10 Mobile is now an enterprise-focused OS, and if they wish to stay true to this claim they'll have to keep releasing updates and keep it on the market.

This is arguably the least exciting option, since Microsoft really isn't focused on Windows 10 Mobile as it is. We're yet to hear of any actual star features coming in the Creators Update for Windows 10 Mobile, and I'm starting to think we won't actually be getting any, outside of CShell and Continuum improvements of course, and even then we're not exactly sure if they're arriving with the Creators Update.

If Microsoft continue supporting Windows 10 Mobile as it is currently, we can likely expect the same treatment (or lack thereof) going forward. I'd much rather Microsoft reposition Windows 10 Mobile and give it a new breath of life.

2. Reposition it

So here's what I mean by reposition: make it so it's not just an OS for mobile phones. With CShell, this is absolutely a possibility. Microsoft can make it so Windows 10 Mobile can run on phones and laptops, scaling the UI where needed and allowing hardware makers to release lightweight laptops that run Windows 10 Mobile.

This would ensure the platform stays alive, with new features and support for as long as Windows 10 is in development. It also means devices that are currently running Windows 10 Mobile, such as the Elite x3 and Lumia 950, can piggy back off of this new repositioning for a little while longer, at least until their hardware can no longer keep up with future mobile computing demands.

HP Elite x3 with Lapdock

HP Elite x3 with Lapdock (Image credit: Windows Central)

You may be asking yourself "but Zac, isn't Windows 10 Cloud basically this?" Good question, and I don't think so. As far as I know, Windows 10 Cloud is like any other normal Windows 10 desktop SKU, but without the ability to download programs from the web. Everything is routed through the Windows Store with the Cloud SKU, and that's fine. Otherwise, it's still full Windows 10.

Microsoft could reposition Windows 10 Mobile as an actual lightweight Windows 10 variant for hardware makers. Make it a free SKU for hardware makers, rename it from Windows 10 Mobile to Windows 10 Lite, and market it as a simple version of Windows for when you're on-the-go. It can work on phones, tablets and even low-end laptops.

This somewhat separates it from Windows 10 Cloud, as even though CShell will allow the Cloud SKU to scale to phones, it'll still be heavier than Windows 10 Mobile is currently.

3. Kill it

This is an obvious one, which likely makes sense to most people reading this article. Microsoft may simply opt to kill it once Windows 10 and CShell are a full-on thing. I mean, if Microsoft doesn't reposition the platform, there really isn't any need for it, right? It can't survive as a platform only for phones, it needs to adapt and expand.

Killing it wouldn't actually get rid of Windows 10 on phones, however. That's the magic of CShell — in theory it will allow full Windows 10 to run on phones. Microsoft would only really be killing one of the many Windows 10 SKUs, but deep down we'll know, and we'll suffer and cry regardless.

If Microsoft were to kill it, I don't think it'd be that bad of an idea in the long run. Sure, it'd seem like the end of the world for us dedicated fans, but not if Microsoft times it right. If Microsoft can maintain Windows 10 Mobile as-is for the next year or two, and then introduce Windows 10 with CShell and new phones running full Windows 10, the death of Windows 10 Mobile would simply be the next step in the tumultuous evolution of Microsoft's mobile platforms. It certainly wouldn't be as painful as the Windows Phone 7 to 8 transition.

And killing it would also likely be beneficial to the future of Windows on phones too. It'll make room for new full Windows 10-powered phones instead, which isn't bad.

4. Co-exist with full Windows 10 phones

This is also a viable option, but not one I'm expecting many people will be excited to hear. Keep Windows 10 Mobile alive and in-development alongside Windows 10 for phones, but make it an option for low-end devices. Let's be honest, full Windows 10 won't run on low-end phones, and that's where Windows 10 Mobile may be able to help.

This way, hardware makers can still make budget Windows 10 Mobile devices for the low-end of the price spectrum. This will hobble current high-end Windows 10 Mobile devices, but it'll all be for a greater good in the long run. But that'll split development resources at Microsoft (even with their size and money, there are only so many programmers to go around), aggravate the app developers Microsoft needs for the Windows Store, and just make things more complicated. Though it could just be a temporary solution for a few years until low-end hardware catches up to the demands of full Windows 10.

5. Does it really matter?

At the end of the day, Windows 10 Mobile is in use by less than 1% of the mobile market. Whatever Microsoft does with the platform, it really doesn't matter at this point. Microsoft could kill it, could evolve it, or they could turn it into a beautiful butterfly, but at the end of the day it won't matter as it's still in use by basically no one.

The only people affected by whatever Microsoft does to Windows 10 Mobile is us, the last group of crazy people who refuse to let this platform die. Perhaps we should let it die, as it'll make room for something else. I know we've done that before with Windows Phone 7, but there's basically no one left here on Windows 10 Mobile anyway, so why not let it die again?

I honestly think the future of Windows 10 on phones lies with Windows 10 coming to ARM. It may mean Windows 10 Mobile no longer has a place on the market, but in all honesty, as a Windows 10 Mobile user myself, I'm okay with that. I'd rather Microsoft "try again" than just give up altogether when it comes to mobile. It may mean leaving current adopters behind, but that's just something we'll have to accept if we want Microsoft to keep trying.

If you're tired of Microsoft constantly retrying its Mobile efforts, buy an iPhone or Android device. Microsoft's efforts extend to the likes of those platforms these days, with excellent and well built apps that'll make you think twice about getting a Windows 10 Mobile device to begin with. Give them a go if you don't want to risk a platform that might be "reset" again.

Zac Bowden
Zac Bowden

Zac Bowden is a Senior Editor at Windows Central. Bringing you exclusive coverage into the world of Windows 10 on PCs, tablets, phones, and more. Also an avid collector of rare Microsoft prototype devices! Keep in touch on Twitter: @zacbowden.

413 Comments
  • Absolutely yes.
  • first hones article about W10m on this site, big LIKE to the author its dead
  • Its not the first but yeah... Ppl are fed up now since lately and its about time they speak the truth!
  • I think Windows...full stop...is nearing the end.  MS is going to retreat to the cloud.  The OS will become decreasingly relevent, and anyway, Linux rules the day now.  You'll sit in front of your "instant app" running terminal of choice and connect to the services you need in real time. I haven't seen any new development for Windows in the past 5 years, maybe more.  It's already essentially irrellevent in the home, and enterprises typically lag the home by several years.  By 2027, there won't even be PCs in most people's work lives, anymore.
  • I see where you are coming from but it won't happen by then. People ESP in the work place still need powerful PC's because of what type of work they do AutoCad, Reit and other powerful tools. This could all be done on a terminal server so this will become your cloud but the biggest issue alot of countries still have is internet speeds. This needs sorting out before we can look at a cloud system. Also people still need tools like office for basic work. I know you can get mobile versions on phones but they don't work as well. We had customers try and move to iPads for site users and they ended up moving back to Windows laptops or the surface line. If and it's a big of Microsoft can get Windows mobile working with continuum and get most of the business tools like full office, auto cad ect working on it then yes I can see less and less pcs being sold but I still think we are a long way from that.
  • Oh look, a regular spammer... you have way too much faith in a company that abandoned it's users.
  • I have had Android phones, and in fact just swapped my Windows 8 phone for a ZTE Max Pro. But you NEED 32 gigs infernal memory to use Android. Windows memory management alone makes me prefer my Lumia 650 as a phone, and I also have a Lumia 950, which I also love. The 650 with 16 gigs internal memory will run twice the apps of my 16 gig Samsung tab S 8.4" tablet, and run them better to boot! And it still has more free internal memory, since it allows me to download virtually everything to the SD card, and will actually RUN apps from the SD card. Try to move an Android app to the SD card, and you will only move about one third of it! Give me my Windows 10 devices ANY DAY! And yes I have MS Word, One Note, and One Drive on any of my Android devices that can run them, but I had to remove parts of my Office 365 subscription from the Tab S because it just didn't have enough memory. It's all on my Lumia 650, though! And I do love the ability to synch these files with my netbook, my laptop, and (if I ever turn it on again) my dual Xeon server. Unfortunately, Windows Mobile does not run MS Publisher, which use frequently, so I have to run that program on the netbook or my HP EliteBook 2560P.
  • I always say if a person who only uses windows as their own daily driver... No other OS platform device and still don't have a complain... Then and only then I will say that person is a loyal windows fan
  • All my devices are Windows, my Lumia 950, Toshiba laptop & Xbox One
  • I have one exception: My Kindle. Ok, and QNX in my BMW.
  • But why do you use kindle, it's because the Windows Phone version stinks and Amazon have de-supported it...I think Windows Mobile is dead, but the desktop/laptop/surface/hybrid Windows 10 os will win the day, but unfortunately MS did not tackle Windows mobile correctly
  • Because reading on eInk is way better than on a LED screen. Never even tried on smartphone or tablet. But i do really like Audible on Win10 devices.
  • I have just one Windows 10 Pro device (personal), 1 iPhone (by far my best mobile device since Lumia 1020), 1 Android (which it was given to me for working), 1 Windows 10 Mobile device (which is abandoned somewhere inside my house). My beloved Lumia 1020 from the Windows Phone 8.1 era is now with my Mom running so far so well WP8.1. Windows 10 Mobile is the worst POS OS ever made by MS, sorry, I had to write that.
  • I do use it and have no complain. It suits my need in work and daily life well. 
  • Lumia 950 here daily phone been with windows since treo 700wx really no complaints about it I will use it til it dies then decide what to use if Windows Phone don't exist anymore then
  • You're confusing internal memory with ram. 32GB of internal memory means how storage your phone has. As in how many apps, games, photos, video and music files you can store on your phone. A 32GB can store more than a 16GB. You might want to educate yourself before commenting.
  • Yeah I was about to say... lol
  • I wish the first point - Do Nothing, applied to Kids Corner, Apps Corner, FM Radio, feature packed Glance Screen.... :/
    .
    According to Jen Gentleman, the new glance screen (Anniversary build) is based on XAML and is better... I don't understand why quick status notifications takes 4-5 seconds to load after the date and clock...
  • On my Lumia 950, it takes only 1 second between the clock/date and all notifications showed under. The 2 only things I regret from before : a specific image for Glance Screen and the ability to not keep the screen on while charging.
  • The ability to turn off glance while charging is coming back in the creators update.
  • Yes, we know that. I mentioned the performance and didn't mention things like lack of battery icon, weather app integration.
  • I still got it. 920!!!!! 8.1
  • My two Lumias 810 (dinosaurs) are on WIN10!
  • What's more, no reason current phones can't run the coming new attempt at W10 om ARM. After all, my stick PC runs full W10 now, with 2gig ram and 32gig storage. Well, that's the same spec as my Lumia 930, so anything released since the 930 with similar or greater spec should have no trouble running the new W10. They're certainly powerful enough. The only worry is that MS will not want to bother putting it out on older devices. A commitment now to not leaving everyone behind this time would give people a reason to buy current W10 mobiles. I'm trying to decide whether to get a new W10 mobile to replace my L930 but MS just won't commit even to releasing the Surface, let alone to not abandoning their customers YET AGAIN. After previous treatment, we need reassurance that MS have learned from the past otherwise getting even a new ARM Windows 10 device will be only temporary before even that gets abandoned for whatever new whim strikes the company. You can't attract customers back to the platform if we stick with the current paradigm of leaving customers waiting for Godot. MS, tell us you've changed, and this time prove it or dead on arrival the Surface certainly will be.
  • I am in the same boat. HTC HD, HD2, Lumia 900, 920 and 930.  The 930 is getting long in the tooth and I am starting to look for a replacement.  L950 are out of stock in the store so I will need to look elsewhere.  The 930 and W10 mobile will get me to the middle of next year when the battery will be shot. The way MS has left devices behind has me worried so I am concerned about the HP Elite as an alternative - still better than Android. The future Windows 10 'Surface Phone' regardless of processor or operating system needs to be a good mobile device that ties into the whole Windows ecosystem that can fit into my pocket.
  • I got Win10 on my Lumia 1020. Unfortunately, MSFT appears to have removed the ability to update to later builds even on the fast ring. I haven't been able to update beyond 1511. 
  • I could add a specific image for Glance on my 950 XL the last time I tried.
  • Sure ? For me, it's only the image on the lockscreen... :/
  • Turning off glance while charging will be again possible in Creators Update. For now it's available in Fast ring build.
  • And also to keep the phone turned off (shutdown) for charging.  Windows Phone starts booting automatically as soon as battery reach a viable level, annoying when you really want to keep it off.
  • Even on my HTC Titan it was not possible...
  • Notifications load when the minute changes. Glance screen only updates every 60 seconds in order to keep power usage to an absolute minimum. Covering, the un-covering the proximity sensor also causes the glance screen to refresh.
  • You didn't understand... I meant the QUICK status notifications - It takes about 3-4 seconds to just show up after the phone is locked. And yes, what you mentioned is also correct but my comment wasn't regarding that.
  • He means if you look at glance you first see the clock and appointments. After one second up to even ten seconds (usually about 2-3) it shows those icons below the appointments. This is really annoying, since I think there is nothing. Also I would like to see if there are any notifications at all, because there are still only 5 icons possible.
  • The most annoying bit is that the Threshold 2 build's Glance (Non XAML) was just flawless. Fast and just worked more reliably.
  • THIS! That delay before those quick status notifications show up DRIVES ME NUTS.  And what is the point of rewriting it in XAML and then to do NOTHING new with it. Even worse, they removed things.
  • Yes,it will transform into 'window on Arm' or window 10 cloud with continuum feature. I also see a future when it will be very difficult to differentiate btw phones,tablets,hybrids and laptops
  • so you're saying Windows 10 on ARM is not going to happen?  I see myself using 1 device that does it all (phone + PC) instead of having to carry a Netbook that has Windows XP, if a phone cannot run the software I use on my netbook, then it's not worth to me spending money on a Surface Phone, I'll rather just turn my attention into Samsung Galaxy S8 which comes with Continuum dock. There are Android apps like termux which can install compilers and development tools that can substitute a PC.
  • I'd go for the butterfly option
  • It'll have bugs in it....
    Sorry, couldn't resist.
  • Dwl
  • You shared some fair points here. I think coexisting would probably make more sense.
  • Yup, if they do it right... But knowing MSFT, they'll eventually merge those also, which is a good thing.
  • Kill it, kill it with fire.  The marketplace has spoken and for the most part no one wants to use a device with Windows 10 Mobile.  Let's move on for the sake of brevity and see if CShell or another solution comes into play down the road.  No need to wax poetic about a rosey future which may or may not come to fruition.  
  • And I see downvotes as a badge of honor rather than a direct insult.  Clearly there are those who still use Windows Mobile, but for the majority of the market that time has past or never saw the light.  Talk to someone still rocking a Palm Pre.  Oh, wait...
  • "Let's be honest, full Windows 10 won't run on low-end phones, and that's where Windows 10 Mobile may be able to help."... Really Zac???? W10M struggles to run even on 1GB of RAM. L650 and strangely even L950, 950XL heat up while normal use and slow down.......... Basically, W10M is not optimized even now. Nice OS but poor performance even after more than a year and a half of *Insider helped* development.
  • On my Lumia 950, it's really smoother than Windows Phone 8.1 on my Samsung Ativ S. The heat issue comes only when using some specific apps like games/Edge (when you surf and charge constantly new pages)/Amazon.
  • The heat you describe has more to do with the design of the SD810 and SD808 SOCs in the Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL. The same happens on Android handsets with the same chipsets. ​I've got a Lumia 650 and have never experienced it over-heating.
  • Could not agree with you more. If I had not bought it at full price, my 950 would have been in the middle of a garbage dump. Waiting to see what Apple and Google will release this year and buy my new phone and invest in the new ecosystem. MS wants it that way, but I wont install MS crap on it.
  • Talking for the 950XL: Heat up? Barely. Work slow or struggle? Not at all. I could have 16 apps open at a time and not give a damn, be it apps, games or Edge with 3 tabs fully loaded. Though agreed, W10M on 512 MB is atrocious/not functional and on 1 GB is barely decent.
  • Woah, a whole three tabs?!
  • You forgot the part about the other 15 apps/games fully loaded and ready.
  • Ok but still. Android phones can handle this much and more easily. Maybe even all those apps and 4 tabs
  • all three of my L640 work very well on WIN 10 M. Are you using the latest build? Also low end for 2018 and on is not going to be what it is for 2015.
  • I went on a week long work trip recently and forgot my charger. None of my colleagues had a usb-c charger. I had to be careful, but not insanely so, and I got five days operation of my 950XL running vanilla W10M.
  • WTH are you talking about, it runs just fine on my 950XL, my 950's only get warm when an update to the OS downloads and installs and all the updated apps install, after that, back to being nice and cool and running smooth.
  • Oh they will continue supporting or developing. But apart from a select few, OEMS, devs, consumers won't really care. UWP and Windows Mobile are more an "indie platform". Which isn't bad. Indie movies and movies can be great. But it will never be a general succes. Too late.   Also it doesn't really matter. Windows Mobile fans are so hardcore they would continue using the platform anyway, even if there was only a browser app. with 500 website tiles they can pin.
  • No chance.
  • Why continue building an OS for phones that nobody uses when you can shove an OS used by millions of people onto the same device-type anyway?
    So is the expectation that people will go from not wanting a mobile OS with no apps to wanting a desktop OS with no mobile apps in a phone form factor? I'm not seeing how running full Windows 10 on a phone solves any of the problems WP/W10M have had over the years.  
  • You don't have to see how it solves anything. I didn't see how moving from WP7 to WP8 would fix anything, and lo-and-behold I was right. Maybe this time it'll work. Maybe this time it won't. That's the game we're playing as Windows 10 Mobile users.
  • So if it doesnt fix any issues that plagued previous mobile OS versions whats the point of it on a mobile device at all? And actually, WP8 did fix a lot of things in WP7 but it was Microsoft's incompetence and mismanagement that made the platform a failure. WP8 was on a positive trajectory till Microsoft themselves pulled the plug for yet another reboot and threw out everything good about WP and introduced a buggy mess in W10M they are still cleaning up today. So how does full Windows 10 on a phone change anything?
  • There isn't one. Go buy an iPhone. Seriously though. They're going to try again, you don't have to like it.
  • And with every new try sceptism increases whil trust and motivation lowers. There is something like a second chance. (this worked for Windows 10 on PC)  But a third or forth chance... I don't think OEMs, devs or users are waiting with open arms for another unknown adventure given the history here. 
  • Thats the best you can do, go buy an iphone? Is that the stock response for anyone who doesnt blindly drink the Microsoft kool aid? Very illuminating.
  • What? I'm trying to help you here. If you don't want Microsoft to try again, buy an iPhone. That's fine, if you read the article you'll know I fully endorse this as a viable method of staying part of the Microsoft Mobile ecosystem. I don't know what you want me to say? You're not pleased if Microsoft try again and you're not pleased with the way things are currently. What do you want from me?
  • You havent been able to put forward a single coherent response to my question. We can disagree on the merits or not on them trying again but apparently the only argument being put forward is to blindly toe the line or buy an iphone. I can disagree amicably with someone with a different viewpoint but since it appears adult discussion is off the table I'll just say thanks for your help with my phone buying decisions, much appreciated.
  • Please, what's your question again?
  • I agree with Zac:  things are the way they are, and Microsoft is apparently going to try yet another 'redo', but this time using full Windows 10 on ARM. Sure, I agree, it doesn't solve anything and it'll probably fail; and I've also largely moved on, by buying a new iPhone ( and a work supplied Galaxy S6).   I'm still only here due to owning: a Windows desktop, an Xbox and old Lumia 1020 and 1520 devices that largely sit in drawers and get used as gym mp3 players or stand alone cameras. Microsoft is headed a certain direction, and if you don't agree with that direction, get off at the next stop.   I mean, *I* won't be buying another Microsoft phone either, but they're free to fail as a company.   (shrugs) It's their dime, not mine.
  • but why an iPhone? Why not Android? :D
  • I couldn't agree more! In 2011 Stephen Elop issued a “Burning Platform” memo, which bemoans missed opportunities and identifies multiple strategic challenges to the mobile phone company. Here we are again in Q1 2017 and we could use exactly the same statement to sum up the situation today.
    Currently WP10 is developing but the hardware has run out and no replacements here. The businesses that have invested in the Windows Platform, usually with mid-range models, have realized that the replacement handset cupboard is bare and no viable replacements exist in numbers, so in the best interests of their business they have decided to jump ship to one that will provide for them.
    MS made it clear that they didn’t want to manufacture handsets and envisaged several manufacturers releasing models with WP installed. In the beginning of Q4 2016 MS should have released a new low end handset, a new mid-range and revised flagship model/s if their envisaged “bringing on board” hardware manufacturers didn’t pan out as they planned and this would have bought them time while pushing the development of WP. There have been rumors of a Sony Xperia handset and a Surface Phone for some time now, with no sight or sound of either to the frustration of many.
    They made a big push to get businesses on board and trying to financially incentivize companies to develop apps to tackle the “app gap”. For a time, they made ground and they persuaded consumers and businesses to buy into the system with aggressive marketing and MS Business sales teams working closely with their customers they supplied other products with. The efforts did produce results but, its reached a plateau and its now on the start of a downhill, which without the brakes being applied, it’s in free fall. The Burning Platform” is here again and they NEED to make a decision as to the direction they are taking, because this current situation can’t continue. I love WOP, but if they “want” to see it die, then they are doing a good job of it and if not then they have to do something and do it NOW!
  • "On the start of a downhill"? Yeh! Whatever! Actually it's been in a downward spiral for a couple of years now and it's very close to reaching the bottom. None of the recently released phones has changed anything. WM10 is in it's death throws and someone really needs to put it out of its misery.
  • You can provide the readers with a free 950 phone.........................Just kidding.
  • After that Thurrott fool now you guys start promoting Apple crap. I wouldn't buy anything from Apple in a thousand years.
  • *eyeroll*
  • wow, are you high or something? when u cannot counter a valid point, all you have to say is go buy an iphone?  
  • And killing it would also likely be beneficial to the future of Windows on phones too. It'll make room for new full Windows 10-powered phones instead, which isn't bad.
    I think the point he made was in the "Kill It" section. And to the question on how it changes anything, you get full Windows devices. Sure, he could have said you can have x86 apps on your phone and use it as your phone and workstation at work/home. Devs could make a UWP app for just windows store/xbox and just change UI elements for phone CShell stuff because they know it has a base line processing level now. Oh, and they could just migrate their x86 app into the store and run it on this new mobile phone and on the Windows 10 Cloud stuff so it could built quickly.  But I think you should ask yourself and really think, "What would I do if my phone has full Windows 10 on in." For me that means having a dock at my house so I can hook it up and play Banished on it (great game) check emails and everything full screen. Then take everything with me when I go. Thats great. For you it might mean nothing at all which is ok. Its ok to buy an iPhone (or Android phone if you want to put up with the clunkyness) and do what works best for you. But I am really interested in a Windows 10 on ARM phone :). 
     
  • You are the first to absolutely understand what it is about. You saved my day.
  • Reading comprehension isn't your strong suite is it?  What he is saying is If you don't like what Microsoft is going to do, go buy something different.  No one is making you buy Windows Phone or even care about Windows phone and an iPhone will give you the apps and "stable" platform you seek.  (see battery dying at 35%) my wife's iPhone has its own set of issues as does lagdroid.  The only difference is that both of those platforms have all of the apps you want and need.  SMH 
  • I parked my iPhone for a 950XL. MY Old Eyes like the larger screen and I like live tiles
  • iPhone 6s Plus. Bigger screen, dynamic text and zoomed interface, with 3D Touch. Problems solved  
  • Maybe. And @ how much $?    My 950XL was international unlocked (important to me) GSM. < $ 300  new, landed.   Not kicking Piixel or iPhone.    And it's my $ and Security concerns...   
  • Yeah it wouldn't be very cheap, but I'm not sure what you're saying with the security thing. iPhones and Pixel phones are very secure
  • Doesn't matter what they call it or what code it is actually running. We just want the same mobile experience. We like the user interface and Windows functionality/security. CShell will give us the same experience. Win32 apps and plugging into a bigger monitor are bonus for us current die-hards... Then hopefully the remaining apps come (back).
    I'm not in love with W10M codebase, just the experience.
  • I am totally agree with that... 
  • Worse than WP7 to WP8 was the abandonment of .NET on Mobile in CE to move to WP7.  That was the death of WP.  
  • MS is working hard to over come those issues. Will see in this year.
  • It may help buy creating a new type of product.
    I don't think Windows 10 Mobile is dead but that "smartphones" are dead. There are too many phones on the market and Microsoft needs to find a way to be really different from all others. Also, they need to make huge marketing like Surface brand or even what Apple made at the beginning of iPhone.
  • Me either. Continuum is used by only a small sub-set of W10M users, and full desktop applications will only be useful via continuum. I highly doubt that developers will start to produce mobile UWP apps just because the software can now run desktop Win32 programs. The app situation for phones will remain exactly the same as it has been (or worse) since Windows Phone 7 was released.
  • Can you resize the windows of Centennial UWP apps to be the same aspect-ratio of a W10M phone? If so, couldn't the apps be "commanded" to be in that form if on a mobile screen?
    I know the small buttons meant for mouses would be a problem...
  • This! MS has continually tried and failed to answer the biggest issue with its mobile offering..APPS! And all they've done to their developers who did grace us with official apps is make them re write their code from 7 to 8 then 8 to 10. Imho, they have never been able to recapture what orignally made windows phone so fun to use and most importantly, how optimised and smooth it was. Once they went to apps over being baked into the OS "for faster updates" its been a downhill slide.
    In glad this article really puts it out there...w10m is dead and it was really dead on arrival. Its never worked like it should and became far too frustrating to use on a daily basis. I switched to android(lg) and I havent been this happy since my Focus S. That's why by their own addmission, they have bowed out of the consumer end of mobile. To circle back to my original point, consumers love APPS and they will never be able to provide those to their customer base. Maybe one day apps wont matter but weve been told that for years now and they matter more now than ever. They want to come up with the next big thing and that's admirable..just too bad theyve burned so many bridges, even when they do, its going to be a major uphill battle to win even their biggest fans like me back.
  • I hope if they do decide to depreciate it, that at least they have an upgrade path this time around to full Windows 10 on ARM.
  • Depending on where you're at, it may not make a difference. For now, you have to pry my 1020 out of my cold, dead hands, and Microsoft already chose to not upgrade the 1020s to Windows 10 Mobile. So, if the 1020 dies and there's no more 1020s to buy out there (or they actually come up with a worthy successor), I'll have to upgrade to a platform with different app options regardless. Whether Windows 10 Mobile or Windows 10 for ARM may not make a big difference at that point. Remember that they left 50% of us behind a few months ago, so there's a good number of people with that perspective.
  • Will Windows 10 Cloud be able to run x86 applications (non-UWP apps) downloaded from store?
  • I dont know why the down votes. I think it might be able to... I think it would be a way to "waive" the license fee for Windows and allow full x86 apps to run on it still. But its not known for sure I dont think yet. 
  • yup. There are screenshots in windowsblogitalia of crystaldiskmark running in it. Downloaded from the store, but all but a UWA. It's Centennial.
  • Zac - it's not that I am tired of Microsoft constantly trying to get some market share in mobile and retrying different things. For me its the apps that are disappearing off of the platform. Smart Things going away is a huge one for me. I really like and want to support whatever their mobile platform is, but it's getting harder and harder.
  • Most the apps going away are phone only apps. If they didnt have a "phone" only sku anymore then everything would be UWP apps and could run on PC too. So I think it would help the app situation out because they have to target Windows 10 store and not just mobile. 
  • Well, after being a dedicated Lumia user since the Lumia 800 I now can not wait to jump ship to Android with the new Nokia 8 which is rumoured to launch at MWC 2017. If HMD under Nokia's brand name can produce compellingly attractive smartphones why does Microsoft find it so impossibly difficult to effectively compete in this space. They really have no excuse whatsoever after this much time. Nadella said in 2014: "cloud first, mobile first" - well he's failed on that mantra and overseen the death of Windows 10 on Mobile.
  • On the contrary, cloud first mobile first has been a huge success for Microsoft.  You can enjoy the full Microsoft ecosystem on iOS and Android, and Azure is powering it all.  MSFT is up 100% since Nadella took over.
  • Yes of course, because everyone is running Microsoft apps on their android and apple phones nowadays 
  • A lot of people use MS apps like Outlook (especially on iOS) and OneDrive on any platform.
  • Office 365 revenue was up over 40% just this last fiscal quarter.  Surely some of that growth is due to Microsoft's provision of the suite on the two mobile operating systems that currently command 98% of market share.  
  • SO in short, MS has no idea what to do in the mobile space. This is very comforting to a WM believer in the platform. How many times do you have to re-invent the Mobile OS in order to get something that is market ready. I will not return to MS in the mobile space.
  • Wow....platform has been dead since 2014. Good job, Nadella!
  • It was never really alive. Nadella was just realistic.
  • Since 2010.  Good job, Ballmer!
  • I don't think this C shell could be released for next 5 years ....
  • I thought with Windows 10, it's all suppossed to be "One Windows". I don't see why the mobile SKU of Windows 10 won't be getting CShell or even (if the phone has the phone processing power) the new x86 emulation features. I think you're trying to split hairs on a bald man.  
  • Windows 10 Mobile will get CShell. But once CShell comes to Windows 10 desktops later down the line, would Windows 10 Mobile have a place on the market? That's what I'm talking about here.  CShell enables full Windows 10 on phones, so when that happens why keep Windows 10 Mobile around? That's the discussion we're having.
  • I agree totally Zac. I think Windows 10 Mobile will be around for 2 more years ish. Because in the next year or so Windows 10 on ARM will be the mobile product focus and not Windows 10 Mobile. Which I am ok with :). If its true it means I dont have to use a crappy notification system in the iPhone or a clunky system in Android. 
  • I may have misunderstood- will current high-end W10M devices get CShell? (I think improbable...)
  • They should. MS announced updates for Continnum on phones that featured a more tradicional desktop look, and I'm guessing it's powered by CShell. Those updates were announced for RS2, but I have no idea whether or not they're actually coming by then.
  • For RS2 impossible , it's feature locked already. RS3 for our existing devices? Who knows?
  • I surely hope so...the current high-end lumias are a bit more than one year old. The others even younger. The HP x3 is also almost new. 2 years of update support is Android level and considered bad. We aren't even at that point yet.
  • Keep it alive. If it does go down, it can always make a comeback like blackberry did.
  • Blackberry made a comeback?!
  • Lol!
  • Yes, but now is Blackberry Android.
  • hmmm i believe the Windows 10 Lite (free) option would be the best course they take ;)
  • Of course it does, not only very good future but a very, very good future the way Windows 10 Mobile has been updating its OS and the very useful Apps.
  • If the administrators of MS interested on superb ideas for market of Windows Mobile . Contact with me . I have unusual ideas. 🌹
  • Marketing can only do so much. In the end, you have to have a great product. Microsoft does not have a good product, let alone a great one.
  • I think the future for current Windows phones is windows cloud. And windows 10 on arm for supported processors...
  • How do those things fix the issues with W10M?
  • I think there's an aspect of this you are glossing over or missing. Regardless of the OS (Windows 10 Mobile, Windows 10 on ARM, some other flavor of Windows) that runs on the phone, the app developers will still have to do work to adapt the UI to fit the phone. This capability exists with UWP today but we still don't see many developers taking advantage of it, They may be writing UWP apps (some of them) but they aren't going the extra step because there aren't enough Windows 10 phones out there to entice them. How does Windows 10 on ARM address this? I would argue that it doesn't. Let's say I am a dev who has a regular old Win 32 app and now Windows 10 on ARM is a reality. I would still have to adapt my UI to the phone but I won't because there aren't enough people to buy it. Cshell doesn't address it either since it won't magically adapt my UI without some additional effort on my part. The only thing that might save it is if people really get the whole Continuum thing and buy the phones for that feature. Then the devs might see a reason to build apps that can scale across different devices. I almost think Microsoft would have been better off putting their efforts into a Windows 10 phone that could run Android apps in addition to UWP apps. That would certainly boost the adoption of those phones which would make the UWP efforts more worthwhile for devs.
  • This. Being able to run win 32 apps on phone doesn't make the phone part better. It doesn't bring us non existent mobile apps such as banking, games or social media apps. Dan had said himself, win32 is dead, no one is making new win32 apps. Win 10 on arm doesn't solve the lack of uwp development.
  • Totally agree, if you could run Android apps together with UWP apps it would provide a pretty good phone alternative for enterprise on Windows 10 and other Windows centric users.
  • One of the benefits would be that the phone running on ARM has a baseline processing power. They would know the SD835 can process x amount of info where as a phone has much weaker specs. So that helps them bring the apps over I think.    As far as configuring the UI I agree, it still is unknown. It might be that CShell when developing the app could auto populate for screen size or something which would make implemintation easy. Or something that would make development easier for CShell UI if automatically doing it (or even starting it) isnt an option. But I think getting the platform to run the exact code that a desktop/laptop/tablet does is a nice step. 
  • It's different in a way compared to the mobile situation is that.  All you need for Windows 10 ARM on a phone form factor to work is to simply resize your application to make it work. Windows 10 Mobile also does this but it also put extra steps into the process. Also don't have to target mobile in app development. 
  • Thats not the goal either. You can usually with little effort make UWP versions of old Win32 applications, but making them run on less tuan 10" displays demands extra effort like you say. But devs not doing so is ok. Point is still that with a dock and larger monitor you could run those applications native on your phone, same with the X3 laptop dock. Now, with Win32 emulation you could do tur same for non UWP applications. Why would you run desktop applications on a 4" display anyways? This is still the closest we have ever been to the pc phone. And for a great number of people, this functionality could merge all their devices into one. When it support for two displays comes, even more could use them. Then, with the increased potential user base increases, so could the number og native UWP apps. MS is thinking ahead. ATM the imortance of SnapChat is to big anyways for the userbase to considder Windows.
  • Well if you make a real UWP app, you normally also do it for phone (unless really lazy/greedy) since it's really no effort. Unless the dev just designs the UI baldy, so it can't scale. Converting a Win32 of course is something different and here you would have to remake the UI for phones.
    Maybe in time, Windows tables can help out a bit, since Win32 UI's usually are really bad for touch. So the devs would need to make the UI more touch friendly -> thus making a UWP App or using the UWP UI in their Win32 apps. And if they would get to that point, simply releasing it for the phone shouldn't be a problem. When you optimize the UI for phone you also optimize it for when the User resizes the Windows in Desktop mode. We'll see if tablets can help out in the next few yeas. Maybe, I doubt it but yeah. That pretty much the only hope.
    If UWP adapts..phone is pretty much saved. But it didn't kick off for now.
  • I've been with Windows Phone since WP7. I'm done.
  • I am so close to that. Soo close.
  • Why people don't like this beautiful environment/platform simply I don't get it . Sometimes I think its because they are coming from Microsoft, I see no other reason at all. Look at the innovation they are doing. Anyway Windows Phone is much needed platform Microsoft should keep inventing towards it.
  • What innovation?! Windows phones have never innovative. There is a reason they failed. It was just a poor attempt at a "me too!" product. It brought nothing new.
  • I think you are confusing innovation in the OS with lack of apps. Windows Mobile (8-10) has the best UI of any of the platforms. It even has continuum to allow for hooking up to monitors. It has live tiles which make notifications amazing. There is a lot of innovation that happened. Apps just never happened. Which is sad for every consumer on the planet. 
  • Live Tiles are not innovative. Android already had widgets and Live Tiles were just severely gimped Widgets. If the experience of Live Tiles is actually that great, there is nothing stopping Android developers from making them for their Android apps. They do not create live Tiles because when you can have the full functionality of a widget, there is no reason to gimp the experience by just making a Live Tile. Continuum has already been done, microsoft didn't invent that and the experience still sucks. You can say all you want about iOS but it completely changed the electronics and PC industry. You have your head shoved somewhere dark if you don't see that. Windows Phone added nothing of value to what iOS created.
  • Trolling again are you?  lagdroid widgets aren't even CLOSE to live tiles.
  • There is nothing stopping an app developer from creating a widget that functions exactly like a Live Tile. Random flipping images in a square shape? Very simple widget.
  • Microsoft's mobile OS was already well behind iOS in 2010.  Three resets since then have only made matters worse, both in terms of the quality and feature set of the OS, and in terms of apps available.  
  • MS just failed to deliver features quickly enough in WP7 times. When 7 was still around, they had many OEM partners and many willing developers to make apps. But iOS just became better and better, development of WP7 was slow and Android caught up to iOS over time. Then there was of course the fiasco with WP7 to WP8. I can fully understand people who switched then as I can understand people who switched from 8.1 to Android/iOS after MS made a fiasco again. TL:DR: It's just MS that destroyed their platform with really bad choices up until today.
  • So are the w10m continuum changes coming in April?
  • No. Like they say in the article, it is likely no features are coming. I would bet they are never coming. Why spend any extra time on this platform when they have a new one coming?
  • Oops sorry, I reread and you are correct that it was directly mentioned. I only saw the first mention last time.
    Thanks for correcting me.
  • Zac I am not trying to be negative, but articles like this are pretty pointless at this time. Speculation, hoping, wishing, whatever you want to call it waste everones time. MS will do whatever they want and if they kill it, nothing you or I or anyone else can say will change this. Jason Ward has done an excellant job with presenting really good articles about W10 Mobile and is rather informative. I like a lot of articles you have presented but this one was in my opinion was a waste of time. I for one do not care what they do. I like Win 10 mobile...I like MS products on Android also...heck I even like some on Apples platform. To date I really like what MS has done with its Surface line, Holographic computing, XBOX and the Win 10 OS. Mobile has always suffered and I believe MS missed their oportunity back when they had Win mobile 6.x. Write what you want but to me WPcentral does their fans a disservice with articles like these. Honestly going back to a flip phone would be a better choice than to read another article like this or read another troll rant from haters...but thats just me and my opinion and you know what they say about opinions :). MS do what the hell you want...I like your other stuff..if you want to waste a bunch of money on mobile, do it! Its your money! :)
  • If you think it's a waste of time, don't read it. I didn't force you to read it. I'm simply making discussion about a platform we're all interested in. Why is that so bad?
  • but when ppl discuss, u dont participate, u just say go buy an iphone :P  
  • The truth is tough, huh? Not sure if you read the article, but the whole thing was basically telling you to buy an iPhone. Windows Mobile is dead. Microsoft might try something else some day, but even that is going to have a tough time.
  • I find it interesting/sad that the experience of W10M on 1 GB devices today is poorer than WP8.0/8.1 on 512 MB of the last few years.
  • I really have been giving this some thought lately...I do like Windows 10 Mobile I really do. Heck I was here since 7. I wonder if there is a ARM project device? If so I'd probably will jump on that bandwagon. I will continue to use my phone because I really hate Apple's offerings. Android seems like work. If the lack of insider updates for mobile is any indication then they are repositioning themselves. Still waiting for a new one.
  • I hope that Windows 10 Mobile will live for many years! Tons of potential and it's an awesome OS. At this point MS can't seem to get their act together with releasing a device and Alcatal, HP have released awesome phones, hope they'll catch on to most people :)
  • No, no future. I came late to the smartphone game and the first one was Lumia 620. Safe, inexpensive budget device. Really enjoyed the experience, so quickly moved on to Lumia 735. Within months moved on to Lumia 930. Waited for the next big thing, then a relative's phone broke so I had the opportunity to donate the 930 and get the Lumia 950. Until a few months ago I was happy. But apps began disappearing, others became slow, Edge was pretty rubbish subsitute as it insisted reloading every website from scratch when it was opened. The camera, although really good, failed to open on camera key press thus making me miss numerous photo opportunities. It was also not able to take too many consecutive photos, displaying "saving" rendering the camera useless. So I dug out a 3 year old Samsung A3 I was given at work. The camera was not an in improvement at all, in fact it was much worse at quality and speed. But I was pretty amazed that many apps that were still available on Windows and Android, the Android version started up practically instantly on a 3 year old device, when compared to Lumia 950. One app that I used a lot was realtime public transport. Both are versions are actively supported by the developer, yet the Windows version, by the time it started up, the bus or train has already arrived. Android version, starts up immediately and displays relevant information. After several months of testing and using the A3 as the daily driver and fully enjoying the experience, I have purchased a S7 and placed the Lumia 950 in the box.  For me Windows is useful only as a desktop and only at home. Corporate Windows is afwul since there are lots of legacy software that need to be able to run. But at home, Windows 10 is pretty amazing and I wouldn't use anything else. But in my hand, Android provides a much more enjoyable user experience, fluid and responsive. If Edge on Windows 10 Mobile worked a bit like Chrome and the camera did start up as fast as it does on the S7, I would've stayed. Bottom line is that a 3 year old Android device was a better experience than a Lumia 950 that I got in April 2016. The range I require is very small, but the ones I do use do have both Windows and Android equivalents. Yet Android is better by miles.
  • Zac, your article makes me very sad. Like when you are in love in a woman and she is not perfect but you love her and you are happy despite the facts you mentioned. And the future is not so bright with her but I refuse to acknowledge that. I'm lost. ☹
  • Have you looked at her sister?
  • her sister is too fancy and expensive other sister is messy 
  • Lol. This one is type one bipolar, though.
  • I'm in love (blind, death, stupid, happy...) so don't mind for sis (Madonna with the big bobbies' from Van Clomp). If you looked 'Allo 'Allo (Or café Rene)
  • Windows 10 Mobile has a very bright future. But just not as a consumer mobile OS. All that push, the colourful phones, funky designs, aggressive ads, animations everywhere in the OS during the 8.1 days slowly started to reduce after Microsoft taking over. W10M is going to work only as a buiness device now. All the Continuum pushing and the phones like the Elite X3 are clear pointers that Microsoft wants to become the next Blackberry. They were late to win the consumer battle vs iOS and Android. Now they intend to have a headstart before iOS and Android start pawing into this territory. They realized simply making new Lumias wasn't going to work. The future is powerful, secure phones for enterprise.    
  • Even enterprise is not buying it
  • Guys, I hate to break it to you, but this is the same kool-aid that I drank for years as a Blackberry fanboy. I still believe that Blackberry OSX was the best modern smartphone OS, bit with too many missteps along the way, they lost their market by the time it was great and had the hardware that they should have had at launch.
    My Lumia 950XL is an impressive piece of hardware, and the OS is fine, but I desperately miss my hardware keyboard. Hopefully Microsoft keeps the platform alive, as I will never go Android for fear of Google re. privacy, but I am afraid that I may have left one sinking platform for another.
  • What's interesting is you could say that while Blackberry's problem was 'great software in search of hardware' after WP 8.1 Microsoft's became 'great hardware in search of software.  
  • There's no such thing as an "enterprise phone". Maybe a handful of niche users, but not on any kind of useful scale. MS said it themselves a long time back. Enterprise users are also consumers. They dont want two phones and they want a phone that has the apps they want. Saying its an enterprise phone is saying is dead.
  • But MS wasn't late to the battle. They had great market share with the first Windows Mobile and they squandered it.
  • I'm sorry but I love the way WM is going. It's undeniably morphing for the better. Look at the other systems, they're dead ends when it comes to software/hardware configurations. With iOS and Android they are beginning to morph their systems into MS like entities such as continuum and live tiles. This shows that MS is on the right path. People want power, they want more, they ultimately want innovation, but with the current shells of Android and iOS it can't go any further except regurgitation of boringness. So, I for one feel excited. I guess as long as there are live tiles and Pro 4/5/Surface/Studios I'll be sticking around.
  • People also want to be able to configure their home automation that required iOS or Android. They want to stream content from their cable/satelite TV company with an app for free that's only available on iOS or Android. They want to get the discouts Target and others offer through an app thats only on iOS or Android. and so on and so on... ​In my experience, people actually dont want power. They want dumbed down and in their pocket. I meet more and more people who dont even own a laptop or desktop. They are all mobile with a phone and maybe a tablet. MS has been effectively cut out of this world entirely. At work we're not even buying as many desktops. We will eventually go to virtual desktops and virtual applications. It wont even matter what the OS is in that enterprise world. It could be all linux and VMWare and runnning in Amazon. The need for MS, especially Windows, is getting more and more diluted.  
  • Where do you get the idea that Android and iOS are adding Live Tiles?  Samsung is dabbling in Continuum-like functionality, but who knows how well that will play out. 
  • Android has been capable of Live Tiles before Windows Phone. You don't see them on Android because it is pointless when you can make a fully featured widget instead.
  • You are so full of it, NEVER existed or was capable of live tiles, not with that good old two hour battery life with nothing but the crappy google apps that you are FORCED to run on the scroogle advertising platform.
  • Just looking at my phone, Netflix has a Live Tile that shows you different videos and allows you to scroll through different selections and start them instantly. Windows Central has a Live Tile that allows you to scroll through recent articles and is also chaseable. Google Books also scrolls through your books and allows you to open any of them directly. Live Tiles are nothing compared to full Widgets.
  • Meh, it depends on what you want. Widgets are cool and fancy, but they also bloat up your startscreen. I personally never liked to have too many of them on the screen. There I prefer live tiles that just give information without being "too much". Some basic interactions would be nice, but they are fine now. On Android, I like media-player widgets and such. But not those who basically replace the app itself. But that depends on personal taste.
  • I agree with iOS. Android tough has a bright future if Google gets it right. They are slowly modernizing it and well made apps can scale to large displays like UWPs. Problem are like in WP, there are many badly made apps and lazy devs that only make the apps good for phones. But it's getting better...I think and the capability is there. iOS on the other hand is a dead horse in the long run, because Apple refuses to merge it with macOS for the future or making iOS looking good on big screens itself.
  • Yea.... from Nokia ages ago, and after that, always loyal to MS ....  because i simply  can't  hold an iPhone..... not back then, not even now..... come on MS, in you we trust ✌
  • What I would like to see... and will prolly never will, it's a downloadable free image of Windows 10 for phones (ARM/Mobile) and an easy step by step guide to install it on oyur phone just the way you install windows in your computer. I wish I could "format my phone and install windows" on it.
  • It's getting hard. I think they had, but somehow they messed up. Right now I know a lot of people who still have WP8.1 and cannot upgrade. But it does not make any sense to create WP8 app when you could use the userbase of Windows 10 with an UWP app. But since Microsoft messed up (again) the upgrading to the new major version of Windows on many phones, what should developers do? Create for an outdated platform but reach some users or create for something which has not a lot of phones and so users yet? I don't know. Next thing is, Microsoft unpublished thousands of Apps because of the age certification. It was not such a big deal, but if you have some apps, it was very annoying to do. So I lost about 15 (ok not so good) apps in the store because of lazyness. Also the (app developer) backend is very annoying slow and confusing. There is still a lot of work that need to be done. And of course, in my opinion, Microsoft is not even doing the homework on their own apps. Apps have different user interface and feeling. There is no unique design guide anymore. Buttons are different as well as headers. They do not improve the features I need (creators update is focussed on 3D. I don't need this - unfortunatly). Sometimes it seems their own apps are getting worse every update. Example messaging app. On the phone it's downgraded to normal sms app (I loved the facebook integration, even the Skype integration made sense, but now it's gone). I have bugs with sync (some messages are lost forever, but a lot of messages are doubled or tripled). But on the other hand I don't get a good sync on my PC with those messages. There the message-app makes no sense. They started to integrate a "write on PC send on phone" feature, but it is gone to skype preview. And I don't like this app out of other reasons. Even more problems with the contacts app or even the store app. They had already so many good things working, which are now gone. I just don't understand their way of thinking right now. Sorry for endless post :(
  • I don't believe MS has a bigger plan, they are just keeping mobile alive while their intern is trying to come up with a new strategy. Lets be realistic, the number of developers committed to windows mobile wil decrease exponentially every month. There won't be much left to decide on six months from now, we will be left with an appless OS. MS has done a good job killing the platform, thanks to some strategic choices made by Nadella. Burning all windows phone users and hoping they would switch to mobile was a bit naief, and where did it bring them? And focusing on business did not pay off either, around me I see companies abandoning windows mobile as they believe MS is not a reliable party. So that strategy has become ineffective due to all this retrenchment communication by Nadellla. Nadella pretty much made only wrong choices with regard to mobile.
  • Remember that the move to WP7 and the move to WP8 also burned users (and developers even more).  And those were under Ballmer.
  • For me, thanx to Gameloft coz i still play big games without any lag and good camera also so Dont kill just Do Nothing thats all
  • I feel like this article is pushing us to just say, I give up... And move to iOS or Android.
  • Or is it saying that Windows 10 Mobile is giving way to full Windows 10 that can run on a phone. To me, that is exciting. Its what I have been waiting for! :)
  • I've been reading your comments here and there from the top to bottom, you seem like a loyal Windows10(M) fan, I can relate to you. Ever since this article, I feel like Windows 10 on pocket-able device is fading away. It seems that W10M shell is completely different from the CShell for Windows 10 on ARM they're working on, I don't know if it brings a beautiful transition that satisfies current users but app developers will have to rewrite and scale to support. I don't want to lose the Live tiles and so much exciting features of W10M. For some time, I had thought this is going in the right direction but now I feel confused. This bold move by msft to sustain and continue develop the ideal future OS may or may not succeed. How could all the developments for the W10M with Insider community to help and co create go to waste? What happened to the One core experience? I've always had my doubts on Windows 10 and W10M were said that they're being developed with the same code. I'll never leave Windows 10 anytime soon, I can agree with you on clunky Android and imperfect iOS notification system.
  • I read this and then saw the Office Blog saying Outlook on iOS is getting third-party app support (Giphy, Evernote, etc). I'm still waiting for Outlook Mail/Calendar on Windows 10 just to sync my tasks on my Microsoft email services. I don't mind being a few months behind on a lot of enterprise Office tools, but tasks shouldn't be too much to ask.
  • "If you're tired of Microsoft constantly retrying its Mobile efforts, buy an iPhone or Android device. " I would, but for security reasons the only Android phone I'd buy is a Google Pixel (or 6P/5X, but those will be abandoned soonish), and Apple has gone insane IMO by removing the headphone jack. Both options are super expensive if you want/need 128GB.  So my app-less 950XL will be chugging along, handling calls, browsing, email, navigation, and music, and I save some money. A couple more rounds of bug fixees wouldn't hurt though!
  • My 950 is doing so much more than that. Tracking rides on my bike and giving me voice navigation around the routes with a battery that lasts 9hrs gps tracking (Cycle Tracks GPS). Viewing and editiing documents and pdfs, taking notes and viewing ones i wrote on my Lenovo tablet. Scanning documents and up loading them to my desktop (via CamScanner). Projecting YouTube videos straight to a samsung tv (TubeCast) Sending photos and videos there (PlayCast). Iphone users cant even do that!  Plus the usual whatsapp twitter facebook skype TuneIn Radio BBC iplayer Kindle Amazon. App-less? I cant think of any others I want.
  • #3 is the best option.  It will not be needed if full Windows 10 (or "Cloud) can runs on phones.  Granted, it would be likely that no existing phones would get updated, but I think it would be ok. 
  • It absolutely needs to be around in some form. Only two players - google and apple- in the field is a terrible universe. The only reason they failed is marketing. It was always slowly growing until they stopped trying. It was close to getting over 10% in every European country. Some Microsoft idiots only look at the US as always. That's why they fail and will always fail. Outside of the US you can always wait for products or services to come. They need the understand there is a world out there. Apple and Google understand this. If they completely give up in the mobile space you will see that HoloLens, Office, Onedrive and even windows will die slowly.
    What do you think if google and apple copy the HoloLens? Well, easy. Because everyone has these phones, they will buy those.
  • Marketing wasn't the issue with Windows phone. Microsoft spent tons of money on marketing and so did Nokia. They stopped marketing because it didn't help. The peak of Windows phone saw only 10.5 million devices sold in a total market of 380 million! That is only 2.7% worldwide when WP was at peak sales. 10% in some price conscious markets selling dirt cheap hardware on the back of Nokia's name doesn't make up for that. Windows phone was sub par compared to the competition. It is that simple. Not only were manufacturers not interested in putting effort into Windows phones, consumers showed they were not interested in buying the ones that were released.
  • Even in places where it was better, mainly providing cheap phones, you likely couldn't have gotten a sales person to sell you one if you tried. Let alone if you just walked in off the street described your usage and asked what would suit you. It was an issue for a long time at retailers like BestBuy. For a long time when I went in the only way to get service was to stand in front of the Apple display. I could chase sales people all day otherwise. It seems a lot better now for PCs and laptops since they started installing Microsoft displays in stores as well... Does anyone know if there was a education campaign or something that was a part of that move?  I suspect that if you went to a few different providers and described a very vague usage case you'd find the sales people would try and sell you exactly what is in their pocket the majority of the time  regardless of what might be best for you. If they do decide to push hard with Windows 10 ARM devices they'll need a massive education campaign at retailers to get the sales people on board. Otherwise they'll do what they always do, try and sell you this years Galaxy or iPhone and if you balk at the price last years iPhone or Galaxy. 
  • Say no more I am at my wits end trying to keep and stay a true Microsoft fan. I will continue to save my money and go all out in an iPhone ecosystem. You guys here should do the same. Microsoft is to focused on allowing Microsoft only products to be placed on other devices.
  • Are you a Microsoft fan or a Windows fan? Because you can own an iPhone and still be a Microsoft fan. But I understand if you are a Windows fan and are tired of that for sure. 
  • Iphone has more than its own share of issues.  My wife's iPhone 6s can't even get through half a day before the batter dies on the most recent release.  Apple is deprecating a phone that isn't even that old by making the battery almost useless.
  • Continuum is the only reason why I don't have an android yet. Sad.
  • You can get the same basic experience on Android. There are even apps that give you a desktop UI.
  • BTW, if anyone's interested, we've been discussing what people would do differently if they could get Win10 on ARM on their phone or tablet, see here:  http://forums.windowscentral.com/windows-10-mobile/451045-what-would-you...
  • I would go for option 4. definitelly!
  • My banking app is not available on Windows 10 Mobile. Neither is my eBook app, my radar detector app or my GPS app. I am a vote with my feet type of guy and when my G4 arrives, I will be voting with my feet.
  • I'm with option 4 and 5. Who cares if its called Mobile? As long as its W10 on a phone then that's all that matters. Most people get a new phone every 3 years or so and if you like the W10 UI and eco system then we should all be good.
  • "If you're tired of Microsoft constantly retrying its Mobile efforts, buy an iPhone or Android device." That's good advice. Like many Windows mobile fans, I have already conceded defeat. It's painful to use Android and I miss the the Windows interface, but at the end of the day Microsoft left me no choice.   If there's a compelling reason in the future to come back to Windows Mobile, I certainly will but, I don't see CShell saving the day for Windows on a mobile device.  
  • I agree.  The idea of having one device - a mobile phone - which will also convert itself into a multi-screen workstation when dropped into a dock is surely hokum.  For workstation use it will need to have 32G of RAM, 2TB of SSD, a serious video chip that will support at least three 4K screens, a four-core 3.2G processor, etc, etc.   People forget how much more powerful and capable a decent workstation is compared with a phone.  If you want to do some serious, professional-level video editing, 3D CAD, software development, etc, then you need that kind of computing power.  And you'd be a fool to think that all that lot could be shoe-horned into a mobile phone any time in the next decade or two. CShell won't help people who need to do serious computing, rather than just knocking out the odd document and answering emails.
  • You seem to be closed minded. At least appreciate what msft is trying to do here. You don't need to welcome Windows 10 on ARM phones when it becomes a success.
  • Hi raytiger, and thanks for your reply.   I honestly don't think I'm being closed minded, although if I am I apologise.  I'm just saying that if CShell is meant to deliver a UI that works all the way from a mobile phone to a multi-screen workstation, then the phone itself must surely need workstation-grade hardware in it so that it will work like a workstation when plugged into a pair of big screens. If we accept that few people will want to use their phone for editing multi-GB video files, then it would seem pointless to put CShell into the phone in the first place. I'm obviously missing something.  How do you envisage things working in the scenario I've described?
  • Mobile devices will not replace the desktop computing anytime soon even with CShell and a decent spec sheet (6Gb RAM, SD835, 256Gb ROM). What you're implying here and expect msft to deliver is far from reach (at least for some time), workstation grade specification inside a pocket-able device will surely take some time to become reality (based on current market consumer preferences, cost and so many variables). For now, we will simply have the first of its kind mobile computing (firmware level). I hope hardware will see advancements soon enough to reinforce and catch up with the firmware. I don't know how ppl are going to adapt to the next big thing since mobile is our daily driver, it can get complex for some but it'll be exciting to most. Nobody would want to go full swing since this is the first step but I'm pretty sure this thing will take down category of devices such as Tablets, small screens and a few PCs.
  • Mainstream people dont don't do that kind of heavy lifting. Continuum is focussed on light weight users that only need the power a phone can provide. If you need a dedicated workstation and the horse power that provides, continuum is clearly not for you.
  • Well, I am in need of a new phone. My old horse Icon can hardly walk now. Not a phone that I can't depend on anymore. Groove keep freezing, Maps..forget 'bout it. My banking app, well, I have none. I talked so much **** about Apple and now I am contemplating about it since Google is not an option for me. I am trying to to stick around for he Surface phone if that ever going to be real. Maybe by the time it comes I will need to replace that iPhone I am planning to get. That hurt, that I am one of the crazy ones and must leave because there are no other Windows phone that work on Verizon.
  • Get an iPhone from Apple,  There's a 30-day return policy IIRC.  I think you'll be very pleased with both the phone quality and with how well the MSFT ecosystem works on iOS.  
  • You can't use a 950XL on cricket? Cricket uses ATT towers.
  • Most likely w10mobile will just be switched to full win10 on arm; as far as being available for current lumia owners, you forgot that the 950XL has an 810 chip which is not enough, only the non lumias like hp's, with an 820 chip will be able to receive win10 on arm, but by then all win8 devices will be over 3 years old, and the luma X50 line over 2 years old, right about time to be replaced anyway; for the low end, take into consideration that by late 2018 a qualcomm 820 chip will be old and probably considered low or mid end, so options will be available for wide adoption
  • You cleared my mind off some doubts. I would welcome the change. But CShell enabled Windows 10 on ARM would be an Upgrade, right? Like 8.1 to 10.
  • lol I don't think I would cry for its death, microsoft itself made sure of that, I no longer care, I stopped loving wp a long time ago, I just happen to despise the alternatives even more so I stay here
  • Microsoft haven't had a clue about mobile since 7 came out, they have changed and ruined things, improved things and started again so many times. All this is a perfect reason for developers to ignore it regarding apps, no apps means no interest from consumers means no sales. I was with windows since 7 and bought all the high end devices, I love the OS but also hate it.. that hate won out last year and I moved to Android. They would have to do something amazing and get app developers on board big time before I went back to Windows mobile. I still hope they do but I know they won't, not in the next 5 - 10 years anyway.
  • That 'Nutella' guy is doing to Microsoft's phones what 'Jackie' Chen did to Blackberry. Doing all the effort to turn it into nothing.
  • I don't know how feasible it is but I believe anything can be achieved if you work hard and SMART about it. I feel all Microsoft needs to do is to see how apps from android or IOS can run on Windows mobile, if possible both os. Android apps won't be a bad idea at all given its plurality and ubiquitousness.
  • Still a bad idea... :D
  • The rise and fall of Motorola, Palm, BlackBerry, Nokia shows the volatility of mobile. Apple was on deaths door with computers before the Microsoft bailout, and look how they turned things around over night. Who knows what's next or when.
  • That is a big hope I have in iOS Bridge, to finally be able to let developers port their apps to Windows Mobile without need to recompile, this could make Windows Mobile a viable 3rd option for OEMs and carriers, the question is when is iOS Bridge going to succeed?
  • As much as I'd like to see WM stay alive or make a come back I just don't see how it can happen. Even if they release some cutting edge Surface phone it means nothing unless they get the OS right. And as it is now, and has been for some time it's far outclassed. I tried my absolute best to hang on to WM to the very end but couldn't. And while I enjoyed my 8 yr ride with WM and the dozen WM devices I owned over those years I'll never look back. Switching to another OS (Android in this case) was the best thing I ever did. I will also have a soft spot in my heart for my Lumia's but it's crazy to look back now and imagine how I went that long with an incomplete experience. Missing apps and features with a hardware line constantly playing catch up is something no one should have to live with. Sure, there's tons of 3rd party apps to fill some of those gaps but it's really not the same as just having everything you want and need at your finger tips. I personally feel Windows Mobile is dead and will be for some time. Until MS figures out a way of bridging that app gap, along with delivering features you get anywhere else it will never compete with the average consumer. Maybe they should just focus on the business sector. Sure, the idea of running Win32 apps on my phone is cool but it's more of something to show off to a friend than anything. Not something essential to providing a full experience. I was in denial a LONG time when I owned my Windows Phones. But after changing OS' a few months I can't seeing myself ever looking back and only regret not jumping ship sooner.
  • MS needs Hardware that everyone wants and only runs UWP. Otherwise no one will care about UWP. 400 million potential customers is wrong. Those 400 million users all have ios/android. They will buy the apps on the device they use most often, their personal one. Desktops aren't used as often. And the continuum experience as great as it would be to use opera or visual studio, it doesn't matter because the UWP apps are the most important. Because the device is going to be I mobile mode most of the time. Improve HoloLens, make sure you get a bunch of great games on it to keep people busy and sell it for something like $599. This will pull in a lot of users. They make take a huge loss but the ecosystem would grow.
  • As a company which is used to enjoy a dominant position(in enterprise) and making loads of money selling software to companies, they never understand the concept of growing an ecosystem at -ve margins. even in initial days of WP they charges OEMs for license.
  • I also have switched to Android and I have to say Google maps are far superior to Maps on Microsoft. I do a lot of driving. I am still using my 950 and 650 from time to time because I still like the platform and hope for real change to come but in the meantime my new BLU Vivo 5R is my daily driver. Might as well have the best of both worlds. There are trade-offs using Android but overall the BLU is a fine device for $199 unlocked with a very good camera that is way better than the Alcatel idol 4 on Windows as far as sharpness and clarity are concerned. Not bad at all. It uses Sony technology. I finally have my banking app and a few others I wanted. Though I would pin web pages on the start screen with Windows. It just isn't the same as a dedicated app. More steps involved with pinning apps. Windows has definite advantages over Android, but Android is getting better all the time. I hope Windows can turn it around as do soo many others . Time will tell. They have the assets and deep pockets. Let's see what they will pull out when the time comes. I said in other posts I would stay until the end but honestly all the negative reviews and the clunkiness that my 950 is starting to exhibit with apps closing and crashing and my maps app is now out of sync and not accurate like it was.
  • No, I am true romantic, blind and fool. Like all of us when in love.
  • I'm with you
  • All I've used since the pocket pc OS is Windows and that's what I'll continue to use. I've been waiting for the day when we would have 1 Windows that does it all and fits into a 6"- 6.5" pocketable device for the last 14 years. I cannot wait for this!
  • It depends how you look at it, W10M is still Windows 10 but a specific version for Phones so therefore W10M isn't dead but being replaced with Windows 10. So is W10M dead, kind of but remember that the replacement is also Windows 10!!?!
  • I don't like the reboot idea! It's too annoying! Folks like you reason of Microsoft mobile platform falling!
  • Where can I get that background image (on the second "reposition it" picture) for my start screen?   I've seen you show that before on your phone and I love the way it works with the transparent tiles. :)
  • Haha has Windows Central been hacked? No, in all seriousness CShell is the natural, or inevitable, evolution of the "mobile" Windows OS. I, for one, am excited about it's potential and - let's be honest - with the convergence of W10 already, what difference would a user notice?! Other than a different SKU name (and actual feature releases, support etc.) it would likely look almost identical and support the same UWP apps. The only difference would be beneficial! Here's to hoping!
  • Cshell wont magiclly transform the UI of X86 apps to suit mobile, it would only scale it down, the controls are not suitable for small screen and navigation would be terrible. MS needs UWP to take off, to atleast be on road to success in mobile
  • I miss where I claimed it did or even mentioned Win32 on ARM?
  • I think that's the point.  The problem is, store apps - with their touch-friendly UI - are braindead compared with Win32 apps.  When you want to do some serious video editing, software development, CAD, etc, a workstation running Win32 programs is essential. The limitations of a finger-friendly UI mean that far less functionality can be surfaced in a store app than in a Win32 program, where the UI is designed for mouse and keyboard, not fingers. Take a look at MacOS and Linux alongside Windows 10 to see how closely those desktop UIs have converged on the optimum.  I don't see now CShell can help workstation users at all unless it offers the complete Win32 set of user interface elements AND runs Win32 programs when it detects it is running on a workstation.  And let's be real: that ain't gonna happen.  What's the point when we've already got a perfectly good workstation OS?   I've got real doubts about the wisdom of having one OS and one scalable UI for everything from a 5" mobile phone to a workstation with three 27" screens.
  • WTF? Haven't you answered your own question? They both serve a purpose:
    - use the app when portable;
    - use the application when at a screen? Missing your point, sorry. (I assumed the above was too obvious?) Good UI/UX concept design could negate many of your points, though you are SPOT ON in regard to *current* (on market) apps/applications.
  • Hi, AbstractKiller, and thanks for replying. I'm a bit confused by what you are saying.  If you use an app when portable, and a full-blown application when at a screen, then what are Continuum and CShell for? My understanding is that this new technology is supposed to provide one user environment that scales all the way from a mobile phone to a multi-screen workstation, so that the same programs can run (and run optimally) on anything in that range. And my point was that CShell would need to provide a complete emulation of Win32 in order to be useful on a workstation. Have I misunderstood what you were saying?  For example, how do you see CShell helping me run SolidWorks, or Visual Studio, or whatever? Sorry if I'm being thick!  :-)
  • I expect techiez is quite accurate..
  • As mobile chipsets become more capable, like a Snapdragon 600 series able to support continuum, I feel with the coming of CShell / better continuum, Windows Mobile won't loose relevance right away. In fact for those investing in a Windows 10 ARM device and Windows 10 in general will find use for a light Mobile OS.
  • I suspect W10M has been a practice session for MS on running Windows 10 on ARM, and even in honing the UI for small screens. If W10M eventually just becomes WOA with the look of W10M, wouldn't that be a better solution than the floundering platform as it sits today?
  • Who cares if it's Windows 10 Mobile or Windows 10 on ARM? If it runs on a phone, I'll buy it :D But people will still call it Windows Phone I think...
  • And it will fail just like every version before it. Without completely changing their strategy, Microsoft will never have luck in mobile. We have seen the Windows phone strategy, Microsoft has never changed it and it has never worked.
  • Oh, you again... Can't you just ignore my comments? :D You're tiring... What strategy didn't they change?...
  • Trying to sell a locked down, rigid platform with narrow hardware support to phone manufacturers. That is the strategy that doesn't work. When phone manufacturers have the option of using a fully open platform that allows them to innovate and differentiate their device, it is going to be a tough sell for Microsoft and it's Apple style platform. Microsoft doesn't seem to realize consumers are not the ones they need to be selling Windows phone to. First they need to sell it to Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, etc. They need to get these manufacturers excited and let them handle the consumer piece. That is going to be nearly impossible with a locked down platform. If Microsoft wants to go the locked down route, they need to bring the hardware themselves.
  • Are you still saying the same thing? Oh, maaan... Yeah, "innovate and differentiate their phones"... More like writing crappy launchers and skins that make the phone even more unusable, than the OS itself would do. And if MS needs to sell "Windows Phone" to OEMs, who do they want to sell their devices to? Yeah, you guessed it, consumers. And if this is the problem, why do so many companies make Windows 10 PCs? They can't write launchers for it, and can't apply their own skin. Or they could, but they don't do it. The hardware, the preinstalled apps (bloatware), features like Windows Hello, and the support are the differentiators. They can do the same with Windows 10 Mobile as well. Obviously, the platform has problems, but I think this is not one of them. And btw, Windows 10 on ARM will be EXACTLY the same OS as full W10, and it's one of the most flexible OSes FOR THE USER, and at the end of the day, users are the only ones who matter, not OEMs and their "innovation'...
  • Windows PCs are forced on manufacturers now. They are entrenched and have been for 20 years. It isn't the same as the new mobile market and they cannot be directly compared. What is one of the biggest complaint Windows phone fans have always had? It is that carriers don't carry Windows phones and if they do, they actively persuade customer to not buy them. The carriers are the ones directly interfacing with the customer, not Microsoft. Microsoft interfaces with the manufacturer and carriers. Without dedicated manufacturer and carrier support, success is going to be tough. Skins, added features and bloatware actually help make that initial sale. You and I know better, but the average person does not. Obviously they do not have an issue with the crappy skins and bloatware, otherwise they would not continue buying a product they do not like. Google made the right choice appeasing the carriers. It sucks, I agree with you, but the proof is in the pudding. Google owns the market while Microsoft is non-existent. It is hard to argue that Microsoft's lack of carrier and manufacturer support didn't put them where they are today.
  • Keep Windows 10 mobile for budget phones. Transition 950/XL, Elite x3, and Idol pro 4s, and all new high end phones to Windows 10 for ARM and continue from there. I'd be happy with that.
  • Will, in theory, Windows 10 for ARM run on a 950XL?
  • No! 
  • I'm sorry, but that's impossible.  Win10 for ARM has a minimum CPU requirement of the Snapdragon 835.  All phones out today & tomorrow, WhartonBrooks, Neo Sans, Idol 4S and Lumia's...all of them...are dead ends.
  • It's will be alive. It is needed to have a family of platforms. For each sections of users. So win10M, WIN10 on ARM, WIN10 on desktop. It's a good to have a whole range of devices. 
  • I believe not. I believe Windows 10 on ARM is their future. Pocket PCs.
  • Microsoft lately has seemed to just not care about mobile. They say that they're committed to mobile, that they listen to our feedback requests- but actions speak louder than words. They've pulled basic features that are common and used on other platforms (Kids/App Corner, FM Radio), don't develop their cool apps for W10M...
    Right now, I stand by Windows 10 Mobile because it makes me stand out and I just like the OS over the others...
  • Microsofts efforts to bring WP\W10m to the marketplace has been just short sighted,arrogant,and in each case far too late. They missed the boat and have been playing catch up ever since. A third attempt will only work if MS flex their muscles and get their corporate machine up and running and knock a few heads together. There is little point having a cure for cancer sitting in a laboratory.
  • Unfortunately I don´t think WP 10 or Wmobile will happens in some point of time. I´m a WP user right now, and I love it, but it comes the time to switch my phone, and literally I have no option to continue with WP, because we have no new devices, and the Elite as well as the 950 simple are not avaible in my country. If you look closely they are killing not just the OS but also the devices.  Only some fans and some enterprises will be interested on a possible future with Wmobile, if ; and a big if here, it someday happen. As fan I´d consider wait to change my phone. As a consumer, I sorry but I need something that have a little support now, not on an hypothetical future. 
  • I understand why people want the latest & greatest hardware or transitioning to go completely mobile. However, I'm in with my 950 until the end or new hardware is released. I've tried the others and not being affected in any way by the current app gap, still have no reason to leave.
  • God, what are those water droplets on the phone's speaker grill D:
  • God, what are those water droplets on the phone's speaker grill D:
  • You cant call OS Windows 10 on ARM. I think that whole Windows 10 on ARM should called Windows 10 mobile. Or call all SKU's simply Windows 10. And than let OEM's decide what to take from CShell for different types of devices. Continuum, X32 programs, UWP's... Can't all types of devices, and all price rangs have it all.
  • -delete-.
  • Didn't Daniel in several articles and also in comments to his articles continuously correct everyone who mentioned Windows 10 Mobile, that there is no such thing. Its just Windows 10. Yet here its Windows 10 Mobile...
  • Well, we don't know what will happen with W10M as we know it now, but most of us enthusiasts will go for the Surface Phone anyway, whatever that one comes loaded with.
    If it's good enough it will attract other users.
    W10M will probably coexist with it for some time.
    Think of it as each version or hardware revision of Apple's iPHone. Or an Android phone that can't be updated beyond a version of their OS.
  • So the new mantra is 'wait for CShell, then everything will be great'. Five years of waiting for this or that to happen have taught me that nothing is going to make any form of Windows on a phone become successful. It's over guys. No really it is!!!
  • Yes, I'm sure they will just have Windows 10 on ARM instead of Windows 10 Mobile.  They need to get full Windows 10 on ARM, because of Intel killing Atom chips and the fact that ARM processors are winning in most form factors.  It makes no sense to keep both, and you would expect that they've already made that decision - the devs probably moved across already. There will be a new set of basic bugs, problems and missing features to look forward to, again. On the upside, when connected to a screen it will be a 'proper' Windows PC, although a very low-end one.  This will have some takers - one device as your home PC, work PC and phone!  Living the dream of 5 or 10 years ago!  In some situations it will work, however, as cloud sync and remote access improves, this becomes less relevant.  You don't actually need to keep using the same device, you just need the device you're using (desktop/laptop/tablet/phone/car/xbox/tv/vr/ar/smart mirror) to know who you are and give you access to your stuff e.g. OneNote, Cortana - true cross-platform solutions.  If the Surface phone does come out with Windows 10 on ARM, this will be the lesson learned after it tanks! Mobile apps are still the achilles heel.  Windows on ARM doesn't fix that, and can only make it worse if any legacy Windows 10 Mobile apps need to be binned.  What happens to Windows 10 apps that don't scale down low enough - do they just have tiny unreadable text? So yeah, they might release the Surface phone, but it will be more of a research project in getting Windows on ARM up to speed for future applications.  For example, if chip advances mean that it's better to use ARM rather than Intel for laptops and very small desktops - that would not be surprising at all and could even be announced at the same time.  So a quiet release for the Surface phone with minimal marketing, and the buyers will effectively be beta testers of a doomed product. I'm in!  Not even kidding, I would give it a go.  Just me?  
  • you may be right in pretty much all your points, and like you, I'd be in anyway....  
  • no
  • Next month I will be leaving Windows mobile as all hope has been lost.  I truely wanted MS to annouce something in the last couple of months, but they didn't.  So my dying Icon will be retired when I go back to Android..
  • Absolutely not, it's not gaining any more market share, it's on the back foot due to how Microsoft did not forsee the future of its OS with new devices, ie from Windows 7 to 8.x and then 8.x to 10. Android and apple have had at least 3 os upgrades on their devices with no issues and yet you could not go from w7 to w8.x on lumina 900 nor could you go from w8.x to w10 on a lumina 925. Then there's the way Microsoft treated app developers and now nearly every other day an app is being retired for good in the next month or its gone straight away, to make a long story short Microsoft will not last much longer in the mobile sector in the general sense, more likely a specific item for a small niche market. I did say a few months ago I would leave for android and now you all know why, plus I'm glad Nokia will be back and with the OS they should have gone with in the first place.
  • I think that W10 Mobile just becomes W10 on arm (WOA).  There will be lighter variants of it, basically, they will maintain W10 Mobile for the next 2-3 years, and devices with certain chipsets wont be able to update to full WOA.  The older devices dont get certain features of the new OS, and they maintain their ability to access the store, etc. As far as devices go - Windows on phones will continue to fail, until the apps that people want to use on their phones come to Windows.  I am a huge fan of W10 Mobile, and my Lumia 950...........unfortunately, i am stuck in this prediciment where there are apps that i need to use, are not available on W10, or W10 Mobile..........and until they become available, or obsolete, ill have to go in a different direction.  As of right now - i am leaning on the next Samsung GS8/Note, or whatever that may be. My wife, and probably 95% of my friends use iphones - so the argument is there to go to Apple - but i use it extensively, and find the OS so boring, and limited.  At least with an Android phone i can customize the launcher, set default apps, etc. Easy solution to all of this for MS - if they wanted to sell phones - just make a the "True Ultimate Mobile Device" - that would be a dual booting W10/Android phone - but the Android portion of the phone has to work somehow within W10.  I would never restart my phone to open an app.  Either you allow full .apk files to run within W10, or you somehow make an Android app launcher within W10 (Think Android inception into W10), with access to Amazon's app store, or a new MS app store for Android apps.  Perhaps MS partners with Amazon - trading the connection to the Amazon app store for all W10 devices, for some continually supported UWP amazon apps for Music, Video, Shopping, Alexa, etc.
  • I like W10M, 8.1 before that.  I have used Windows phones for several years and as long as I can use Windows on my phone (regardless of SKU), I will be a fairly happy camper.  Just don't expect me to go to either android or apple -- I will go back to a flip phone without data first!!
  • Hello my name is Brian and I am a Windows Phone addict. ​I'm joking but I'm serious too.   Like you I like Windows Phone/Mobile.  Like you I will stay with whatever's coming.  I could go to Android if there was no Microsoft Mobile OS, but I probably won't live that long to have that particular dilemma.
  • Well if Microsoft doesn't keep Windows 10 mobile as we know it, they will be making a terrible mistake. Because this is where bulk of the computing sales are. And mobile is also necessary for the survival of native apps in UWP. True with cShell, Windows 10 on ARM, win32 emulation, most analysts may not see the need of windows 10 mobile in its existing form, but I assure you, it is as much necessary today then it was yesterday. Because cShell and Windows 10 on ARM and win32 emulation speaks high end. And even though we will be able to have true pocket PCs, they will still be based on high end ARM chips. That left the plethora of low end ARM or even existing ARM devices generation older than Snapdragon 835 without a viable future. And that's where the mass market is. That's where the mass markets like China and India had there success. And I think this is where windows 10 cloud will come into play. I think at this point we can all agree that future windows 10 skus will be an overlap of cShell (mainly), Windows 10 on ARM capability (which will essentially make it architecture agnostic), win32 emulation (on Snapdragon 835 or better devices), cloud SKU (whatever maybe). Now think about Windows 10 cloud which will position itself as UWP only SKU (that means it will have cShell, cloud SKU features, Windows 10 on ARM capability but without win32 emulation). So that does that mean existing high end Lumias like 950, 950XL may get an upgrade path to windows 10 cloud? I would very much like to hope so. With cShell being used as mobile continuum feature that we know and love today but with improved multi tasking and more familiarity just like what we saw in Windows 10 creator's update event. A fork of this windows 10 cloud may still be used to upgrade existing low to mid lumias as well as make room for future low end ARM mobile devices. Because like I said, this market is where the bulk of mobile computing sales is, and without a viable option in this range could mean loss of Microsoft not only in overall computing market, but may also mean the loss of UWP applications. And this is why I would wish to think if Microsoft are any wiser, they will keep this option around however slow the adoption and will hope that their bigger bets on full Windows 10 on ARM based phones with win32 emulation, windows holographics, mixed/virtual reality platform pays off. If not they will be left to compete in high end market only, like Apple of the past. And I'll be okay with that as well. I'll definitely be okay with a Surface Pro/Book, Full Windows 10 on ARM with win32 emulation based Surface 4 and Surface Phone, as well as affordable Windows 10 cloud based Surface 4 cloud and Surface Cloud Phone under $200 range.
  • Absolutely kill it; and this as an owner of Lumia 521, 625, 650, and 925. I read today elsewhere that Apple still thinks the phone and apps are a thing, and Cook referred to "early innings."  I disagree.  The phone is now a microcomputer.  I don't need one physical lump to be my handset and my computer and my camera.   That's why, I think, people struggle with 'phablets' and wearables and Continuum and such.  The device should really be distinct from its interfaces, although not having to separately remember to bring a camera or a map or whatever is great.  I just rarely use the thing as a handset -- I talk at my car or a headset via Bluetooth.  I don't look at my camera pictures on the phone screen except as a viewfinder of sorts -- I look at them on larger screens.  I certainly don't "read" the map on the phone while driving; if I use that, I take directions over the car speakers. So, I look at the current form factor as a cruddy amalgam of interfaces that I try not to use if I can help it.  Let the device work through actually helpful interfaces, and I'll lose the distinction between desktop OS and mobile OS gladly.
  • People do not struggle at all with continuum, they simply do not care about it because it is useless in it's current form. And the numbers speak for themselves.
  • "Mobile first Cloud first" right? Well, at least they have succeeded in creating a huge Cloud about Mobile...
  • He didn't say Windows Mobile First because that is not what he meant. He meant mobile in general.
  •  "...the death of Windows 10 Mobile would simply be the next step in the tumultuous evolution of Microsoft's mobile platforms." Yeah, that's what developers want, another OS reboot.
  • I've been a loyal WP user since 2010, refusing to listen to the people who keep telling me to switch. But to be honest, I think I'm very close to being at that point. I love the system, but the 950 just doesn't do it for me, it's randomly buggy, continuum is cool but not used very often, apps I love haven't been updated in years, and other apps I need for work aren't available, and it does seem like a lot of apps are deciding to leave. For example, we're thinking of switching banks and I had to search on the store just to see which ones had apps for WM. This is frustrating in how limiting it feels. This site ran an article recently about how you can stay in the Microsoft world if you switched to an iPhone (which I've always said is the phone I'd get if WP stopped existing), but I would love to see an article about Android as well. Just to see which one you could really completely use within the Microsoft world. This is not a foregone conclusion for me, but I'm unfortunately getting closer to that decision.
  • I've been in your boat for like a year. For some reason I'm still here
  • It's just so incredibly frustrating. I love the platform, really, and I've sung it's praises to anyone who looks at it and is like "wow, that's different." But when my recommended apps, or the featured apps floating across the top of the app store, haven't changed in months, you know something's not right. 
  • After having several Windows Phones, I recently had to switch to Android. Some apps (which I need for my daily work) are simply not available for Windows10 mobile. In my opinion Microsoft missed the opportunity to make this phone THE phone for companies. Too late, too little
  • Enterprise.  The one word and reason Windows Mobile 10 will continue to exist.  Microsoft still keep the likes of CE around and usable.  Because companies invest in Microsoft technology, Microsoft have to keep products alive.  Even if on life support. So while new things like Windows on ARM will come, Windows Mobile will live on.
  • I am not positive, but I do not think Microsoft has any Enterprise adoption for Windows Mobile. There is no reason for Enterprise to use Windows Mobile when all their apps and more are available on the other platforms. Lacking an app on your work phone is a much bigger deal when you are trying to get something done.
  • The company I work for just got burned by buying all those lumia 650s...now we have to replace them with either android or iphones because MS is so pathetic that they have discontinued the phone model, and for fanboys: NO we are noit gonna invest in that overpriced X3. We've had enough of winmobile and MS mediocre mobile quality.
  • I wonder if the principle of "One OS to fit them all" is actually a valid model.  Apple are happy to keep their desktop OS and phone OS quite separate, with separate applications for each, and they don't seem to be suffering. At first glance, the idea of having an OS and an ecosystem of apps that work on everything from a 5" mobile phone to a multi-screen workstation sounds like a great idea.  Only one OS to maintain, only one version of each app to maintain.   But how important is it, really, to use the very same app on your phone as your workstation?  Having tried to use a wide range of W10 store apps on my multi-screen workstation, I can say that the experience is painful.  Store apps still offer a mobile-style UI even when run on a workstation, and it really doesn't work well at all on a machine where the primary interface is mouse and keyboard.  All the elements of the UI are unnecessarily big so you end up wasting a lot of screen space and making much larger mouse movements.  Also, because of the touch-friendly UI, lots of the features you would normally expect to see in a Win32 desktop program are hidden behind a hamburger menu or not implemented at all.  Compare W10 Mail with its Win32 predecessor, Windows Live Mail, to see what I'm talking about. The desktop interface conventions have been honed over 25 years and work pretty well - just take a look at Linux and MacOS alongside W10 to see how closely they have all converged on the optimum design.  And that design is nothing like the UI offered by W10 store apps. So here's the thing: I don't think I want to use mobile-compatible apps on my workstation unless they will make full use of the Win32 desktop UI elements when running in desktop mode.  Which they won't, of course.
  • Yeah its dead. I just abandoned my 950XL last month. Its a shame, but that OS was completely unusuable. I mean, its usuable if you like an OS that randomly crashes on you every 15 minutes or so, or when you lock it, or when you unlock it, or when you turn it on, or when you do ANYTHING. Great looking but unusuable UI. **** just looke at Groove music, or your alarms, the buttons are so small and in horrible places. If you want to start, stop, fast forward or navigate your music while you're running or working out, its a nightmare. **** you Microsoft for taking my money and giving amazing hardware with the brains of cow suffering from madcow disease.
  • Never seen these complaints before. Especially about Groove music. Just adjust your workflow. I mean you can go to the next song right from the lock screen. I dont know anybody else complaining about this lol
  • You're blind sees no problem at all
  • @Zac Bowden. Sorry to say, but the way you are approaching this doesn't match with all the info that has come out over a year. Your one or the other approach is completely invalid. How can you have missed Microsoft's convergence approach?! There is One Core, remember. That is in Windows 10 Mobile as well as in Windows 10 Desktop. So, we already have Windows 10 on ARM as Windows 10 Mobile. Windows 10 Mobile can mimick a desktop environment on large screens using Continuum. It is the Win32 subsystem being added to Windows 10 Mobile to have this 'Full Windows' on ARM, not a re-implementation of Windows 10 Desktop on ARM. Hence, Windows 10 Mobile is the new Windows. It will run on different hardware using the decades old Hardware Abstraction Layer. I.e. Windows is not a monolith, it consists of many subsystems, which can be configured, maintained and replaced as needed. Please refrain from hype articles in the future and write something truely informative.
  • I'm not convinced the full Win32 subsystem will find its way into Continuum.  After all, apart from the complexity and functionality of Win32, it would need to run in emulation mode, as all Win32 apps are coded to an Intel processor.  I think it would be a massive job to emulate the full-blown Win32 in a mobile phone.  Think about how much memory and disk space those Win32 apps require. Serious Win32 workstation users have two or three screens, 32G of RAM, a terabyte or two of SSD, a serious video card.......  There's just no way that lot can be shoe-horned into a mobile phone.  And anyway, think of the cost!  All that hardware sitting unused, waiting for the odd time the user drops the phone into a dock.  And remember - a large number of those phone users will never even want to run Win32 programs.  For them, who just want to do emails, the web, and knock out the occasional Word document, the phone hardware we've got now is more than adequate. Is it really sensible to install a full-blown Win32 emulator - complete with all the hardware I mentioned - on a mobile phone?  I don't think so!
  • 32GB of RAM? Serious? My Surface pro 1 has 4GB of RAM and it runs applications fine. I dont think Microsoft intends on squeezing super computer power into a mobile phone.
  • Fair point, but I was thinking of workstation users, some of whom go up to 32G.  Mine is 16G, and that's not enough sometimes when I'm doing a big SolidWorks design.  But I take your point.  Even so, fitting a workstation hardware into a mobile phone.... well, it ain't gonna fit.  
  • What is the point of this article?  Just to get a couple hundred comments that prove that the vast majority of people who come to this site know absolutely nothing?
  • Does that include you, then?
  • Because of retrenchment the market share is dying. As it drops so go the companies who used to supply apps. Independent developers are leaving as well. I am naive on the app business side but it seems that to turn this around it is going to take a huge investment from MS to create a financial incentive to write apps ( or bots?) for the new Windows on ARM. Simply putting a new device out there that runs full Windows and includes telephony won't work unless there is an equal push to draw significant developer support.
  • I started with an Ipaq pocket computer phone, then the Lumia 800, 925 and now 950.  I have supported the windows mobile platform for years now and got really annoyed when they just never bothered doing anything with the Lumia 800 and Windows 7.8.  Then they added insult to injury and couldn't even be bothered to produce a Windows 10 upgrade for my 925, which is still working (with no updates for about a year, because it was dumped when Windows 10 came out). I now have a Lumia 950 which Microsoft cannot even create good quality apps for and big companies like HSBC bank, Sky TV, Virgin, Vodafone UK, Snapchat and lots more will not create apps, due to Microsoft's lack of motivation.  For years I have been contacting these companies (Unlike Microsoft) trying to get them to create apps for the phones and one of them told me out-right, "Why would we invest in a Mobile Operating system, when the company who created it cannot even be bothered to support it itself". I have been against getting an Android or iOS based mobile for years, thinking Microsoft with all their resources could create a leading smartphone, but they have thought of features long before others and yet the others have added them and have them fully working.  Just look how long Windows phones had NFC chips fitted before Android and yet you have Apple Pay and Android Pay working in most shops in the UK and not a sign of anything from Microsoft. So can someone please tell me why changing the operating system will make any difference to the way they design, add features or create apps for yet another OS.  If I owned a company and the people in the design & promotion area could not create and sell a good quality item, then I would give them one warning and if nothing improved start seriously looking at why.  Microsofts design and software people should be told to create a first-class smartphone, create good apps, get developers on side and if they cannot, then there are plenty of past Nokia employee's and others, ready to take over their jobs.  If staff where replaced, then the only people to blame would be themselves or the head of that team. After backing them all these years, I feel Microsoft should be paying us for putting up with phones that have never and will never do as promised.  I even purchased my 950 which was advertised with a FM radio, but this was disabled for UK people from the start.  I would have used this feature, but Vodafone UK refused to cancel a 24 month contract for the phone, even when I showed them they were selling a product different from what they were advertising.  Nearly a year later and Microsoft still haven't fixed the problem and not even tried to tell people who purchased the phones why it was disabled. At around December this year, I will need to renew my contract and it's looking more and more like I will have to change from Microsoft, as I just cannot afford to be getting phones that are useless after only months.  The worst part is, I'm disabled and rely on my phone to stay in-touch with people and need it to be reliable in an emergency.  Were my Lumia 925 never locked-up or crashed in 3 years, my Lumia 950 partly locks-up every 1-2 days and I have to restart it, before things start fully working again.  Eg.  Daughter tried contacting me by text and Facebook messenger, but the phone had stopped notifying me, which then a 16yr old girl walked 1.5 miles home past a large park at 10pm, on a dark night. Sorry if I've gone on a bit, but when you are tied into a 24 month contract with a phone nobody wants to support, you get very annoyed. Thanks
  • Realest comment I've ever read on this site!
  • You are completely right! Call issues were present daily on my already sold out 950XL, besides apps like facebook and messenger taking ages to start, missing audio/video call on messenger (no, I do not user skype, it sucks big time), live tiles hanging or getting static on their own, alarms failing to go off, quiet hours not activating/disabling when used with automatic rules, Cortana working like crap compared to WP8.1, huge battery drain etc. When Nadella ditched all those experienced engineers and testers and decided to use insiders, it was pretty clear what the quality of the OS would be (sorry insiders, but you cannot simply replace and experienced testing team and expect everyone to agree). MS got used to lie a lot and expect people to buy it...they have a big history with such pathetic approaches. Do yourself a favor no matter how much you hate it and go either Android or IOS...when you have a kid, availability is needed 100% and you need a device you can trust to work!
  • This article breaks my heart.
  • I think it's really ****** that they are more than likely going to up and change the mobile system AGAIN after only a couple of years of having W10M. Microsoft really are clueless when it comes to mobile.
  • I honestly think they should add Full app support, if they did, developers could just transfer an android version of their app to Windows 10 Mobile. Then we'd all be happy.
  • What's really missing from the dialog here? WoA (Windows on Arm) This could be the end of the Cellular Carrier monopoly on update releases (Including Firmware)
    They MAY no longer be able to hold us hostage over solid updates to the hardware in general.
    They will become just like any ISP (Cellular and Data Only provider).
    As I say, Hand Held Computer that happens to be able to make phonce calls.
    Not Cell Phone that can do computer stuff.
    A shift is occuring. This also could mean that hardware will get cheaper.
      IF Microsoft can pull this off, like has been planned for a very long time, I thnk they just have trouble accomplishing it.
    It's not an easy task, tuning a phone into a full fledged desktop, and vice versa.
    If it were, wouldn't Andriod and Apple have already done it? Aren't they the great innovators?
    The only place that I could see some kind of innovation is Andriod and the VR Cell Phone Hybrids.
    This is also within it's infancy Pre-Beta stage. The idea was sparked a while back with Ubuntu Phone. MS saw an opertinutiy to make this possibly happen, and I think they are really trying. Yeah we are still in the Alpha to Pre-Beta age of all this. No, it's not easy, and yeah, things are going to dramitically change.
    Failure IS and option. But through failure comes learning, comes workarounds, comes innovation and possibly success. If MS proves this viable, the one place to really make that happen is in the enterprie space,
    consumers won't utilize it as much in thier daily regiments. We shall see what happens. Look at VR, Rift, Vive and Hololens.
    Let's not forget the Cell Phone VR Hybrids. I'll repeat - Failure IS and option. But through failure comes learning, comes workarounds, comes innovation and possibly success.
  • Yes it does. I switched to Android in May 2016. It is decent, fast..that said if win10 mobile had the apps I would never have left. Go win10 mobile. We need you
  • I think in their own way they have killed it already. Funeral services are pending.
  • Great article! I'm split between kill it and let them be side by side, to keep them both allows more people to get on the platform with low end devices, but even then there's no market for it anyway and if you look at Apple they only make ridiculously expensive hardware and yet they make a whole lot of money and a huge fan base, so maybe killing it and only having high end hardware would be a good idea but I suppose that does push a lot of OEMs out of the picture that rely on selling low end kit. For now I'm on Android since my 950 passed away recently, I'm hating the experience overall but impressed with the quality of a few apps I had on W10M that are just 1000 times better on Android. When I can I'll either get the 950 repaired or I'll try get a 650 somehow because overall I really am much happier using W10M over anything else, it's just difficult to actually find one I can buy or get on contract.
  • The merge of platforms has always been in the Windows 10 roadmap. This new CShell will probably have the same user interface as Windows 10 Mobile when used in smaller screens. I think there will be flagship devices which have full Win32 like we currently have flagship devices Continuum capable and there will be cheaper devices which will run Continuum as currently.
  • Trouble is, Win32 isn't touch friendly - it's got the WIMP (windows, icons, menus, pointer) paradigm baked in.  Yes, you can code around it, but what about all the Win32 apps that need the mouse and keyboard?  It seems daft to provide an entire Win32 emulation in CShell (complete with enormous RAM, disk and video requirements) when lots of people will never use it.
  • Fortunately I still appreciate my 950XL. Worked really well a few updates ago. That was when I realized how much I could love it. Not so much right now, but then I chose to be on the Insiders Fast build. Keeps life interesting. I for one will continue to use W10 OS however it manifests on hardware, including the phone.
  • Don't kIll it !!!!!!!! 
  • Microsoft is doing something. It invested in developers when it bought Xamarin. It's just giving developers time to populate the apps store.
  • I'd switch if the GUI of Android/iOS wouldn't suck.
  • I was playing with my friends nougat device and it has gone a long way. Not only is it blazing fast but you can even have a tile interface if you want. Heck you can make a more modern tile look with larger tiles and nice look. There's just so much customization options on it. Of course it requires extra downloads but I don't see a problem with it since they are from play store.
  • Microsoft, when are you going to understand that it's all about the apps and services? It's all about what people can do with their devices. I don't understand how a company who dominated for 20+ years in basically a monopoly due to all software makers targeting their platform out of popularity can fail to grasp this basic notion. It doesn't matter to reboot things once more if people aren't going to be able to perform something different, better and more efficiently than what they already do. Focus first on making your software ecosystem the best it can be and make it actually work flawlessly, things that still have a long way to go, from the AI (Cortana) to the communication service (Skype) to the browser (Edge) to the Digital notebook (OneNote) keep adding new ways of interacting with this software (natural input, augmented reality), create a ecosystem where people actually feel they are much more productive than the competition, forcing developers to pay attention to this userbase, and then worry about creating this "category revolution" or whatever.. The software ecosystem must be flawless before the "new category" or else it will fail once more.
  • Actually, Lucitanium, I don't agree that it's all about apps and services.  Yes, that is true for mobile devices.  But there are plenty of workstations out there, often with multiple screens, 16G of RAM, a TB or two of SSD and a serious video processor, doing heavy duty work like 3D CAD, software development, video editing, graphics design, etc.  The software running on these machines is invariably Win32 with a keyboard/mouse UI.  Windows needs to keep supporting those machines and users.
  • I thought OEMs could use W10M on small tablets already?
  • Id rather stick with windows 10 on my smartphone whatever guise it takes, sorry android is just not for me and iPhone is frankly uninspiring.
  • I've been hoping for something like this put big Windows on mobile devices and just destroy Windows mobile. It could be done for powerful devices as an upgrade and for low end it could turn into something like windows rt
  • No.
  • This is a very good article. Thank you Zac. I guess I am no-one then.
  • Keep Windows 10 mobile going and make some phones already. People are getting hungry.
  • As someone who really liked Windows 8 and 10 on phones, Microsoft has already chosen and implemented option 3.
  • I've been a loyal fan for years and I switch over about two months ago and trust me... I'm shocked to know how outdated I were...
  • I'll never give up on Windows Mobile  - being an MS Developer for a job it's a no-brainer. It's by far the easiest to program for on all the three mobile platforms and programming apps for UWP is lots of fun.  It's unfortunate the app landscape is still not great with many companies like Uber not bothering to fix bugs and other apps we really rely on (like WhatsApp) that haven't been rewritten in UWP and most likely won't be most due to the small customer base. But dammit, I still really like Windows 10!!  I've just bought another 950XL to replace the one I dropped recently and am very excited about upcoming developments re CShell... having a full version of W10 running on a phone, however that is achieveed, would be fabulous.  Either way we still need mobile devices (phones) with some form of Windows 10 and I don't think MS will go away from that. 
  • nzmike: When you say "a full version of W10 running on a phone", do you mean a version that includes Win32?  If so, I don't think it would be feasible.  Win32 and the programs it runs are all compiled to Intel, so firstly it would need an Intel machine code emulator to run on a typical phone processor.  Also, many Win32 programs require far more RAM, disk space and video processing power than has ever been delivered on a mobile phone. A Win32 program would be unusable on a mobile phone because the UI elements would be too small to manipulate, so it could only be of use when the phone is docked and connected to one or more full sized screens.  Bearing in mind that many users will never think of running a Win32 program from their phone, would it really be sensible to bake Win32 into every mobile phone?  It seems way over the top, to me.
  • Despite being (maybe former) die hard Windows Mobile/Phone/... fan, I didn’t see any bright future in the foreseeable future. I'm on mobile platform since Windows Mobile 2003.... It’s a long time... I'm a developer and having handful of experience with the platform.  But in the past I experienced many loss, and little gains. Surely, Metro/Modern UI is great and its perform as well. But even MS taking away features from the platform. One Core? Well, sorry its bullshit. At least now. Wanted to develop and UWP app, that can recognize handwriting. Well works well on desktop, forget on mobile. One core...  The direction where MS is going is great and ambitious, they will eventually succeed with their plans, but that time our beloved platform usage will like... a big concert hall with only few people in it. Continuum: great, adaptation_ terrible. Phone options: barely. I really missing many features what we had in the past. Like stylus support. Any Win 10 Mobile device out with it? Nope. Great features from WP7-8.1 was slowly but surely taken away. Facebook chat integration into messaging... App corner... FM Radio.. many, many, many more Well, Composable Shell a good direction. Win32 emulation on ARM good idea, but as many said, it will doesn’t solve the problem. Recently, without proper popular social app support a mobile OS will not gain high market share. Oh, by the way I'm still waiting when will I be able to pay with my WM... (living outside US). Surely its still a well integrated OS, but many things are APP oriented. Like Instagram on web? Lol. I don't use snapchat, but I'm guessing its the same.  Recently what I see its a lot of unfulfilled promises. And sadly, my cheer for WM is running out of steam. At least I'm able to create Android apps with Xamarin. Yay... But alternatives are grim. iOS... no thank you. Android, ayyy not really, but at least that’s a "viable" alternative... Honestly even if MS would drop something great promise in Build, I think that will be very late. Highly expected Samsung Galaxy S8 will arrive around April, yet, S7 is decent as well... so probably Samsung will humiliate MS hopes (if any). Oh MWC.. as well.  Satya doing overall great with MS, but mobile platform is in ruin, and its in ruin for a long time... 
  • Cementing in enterprise would be much more lucrative than pursuing the consumer market, and they could displace consumer mobiles too
  • Why would enterprise use Windows phones? All the Microsoft apps are available as well as any other app they will need. Windows will do nothing for them but create difficulties due to lack of the apps and software they need.
  • What would work is cross platform support. Ie the ability to run android apps
  • I've left.  My 950 is in a drawer somewhere.  My Alcatel IDOL 4S is on, but not my daily driver.  Love the platform, but...it. is. over.
  • Longtime Windows user. Jumped into the Windows phone thing again with HTC 8x on 8.0, soon upgraded to 8.1. It was a great device, sleek and fast. The operating system was great. Cortana was incredible, better IMHO than Siri. More cool features , others were impressed. After it died I got the Lumia 925, Wow, it was sexy and performed incredible. (I was beginning to feel the lack of apps but listened to the promise of what was coming). Windows 10 was billed as one OS for all your devices. Now, years later we get Cshell and one Windows for all devices. The dissapointmet I keep experiencing is because MS runs R&D on the consumer. They promise huge, deliver partial and promise to perfect on the run only to choke. I have also noticed Apple doesn't promise anything so when they deliver a simple device that works, people are amazed. I'm gonna keep hanging in with my Lumia 640 , but then again I bought the hype with Windows ME also.     
  • WP 8.1 was the best OS....10 has ruined everything. What MSFT coud have done is that keep the UI of WP8.1 and add features on top of it....BTW anybody remember the good old music+videos hub, photos and people hub from 8.0?
  • I don't think any WP8/8.1 user can ever forget all those nice things and how fast and stable was 8 and 8.1...with 10 MS simply made a joke out of us
  • I agree: on mobile phones, I definitely prefer WP8.1 to W10M. Windows 8.1 was hopeless for workstations, though.  W10 is a bit better, but being forced to use a touch interface with a mouse and keyboard (e.g. in the Settings app) is a really crap experience.
  • If they kill W10m, how many people are willing to drop Windows as an ecosystem, fully move to Android and all Google Services, or Iphone and all Apple services? MS like any company is concerned with the bottom line and W10m is not helping.  They did it with WP7 - walked away and people bought in.  They do it again - what will happen? Would the business community show concern?  Because that is what matters. Me, I am hoping they will hang in there.  ARM will come and make things better....i hope
  • Which phone are u using now
  • Nokia 930.  Love Nokia.  If Nokia starts making high end Anddroid phones....and Microsoft stops.... well you know where I am going.  
  • Windows 10 Mobile as we know it now will co-exist with Windows 10 for ARM as "a temporary solution for a few years until low-end hardware catches up to the demands of full Windows 10".
  • Yeah, either 2 or 3. Most likely 3. They just didn't understand. See ya next to my zune
  • I say sc**w em all. It does what I need it to do. I don't have a need for it to manage my bank account because we know that is not safe. I don't use social networking, we've been told we're being hacked,shown we're being hacked, can you see the madness. It's quick enough, I'm in no race. Cortana is a gem, and always getting better. If it gets any thinner my battery will be as poor as theirs. Memory suits my needs . Oh yeah, did I mention , I'm an adult , if I need to play a game there is an Xbox at home that they still seem to be interested in updating. The phone works, browser works, it texts, emails, talks to me, and those live tiles. Hell I would adopt it if it was legal and I wouldn't have to blog about it.
  • So Zac when they kill Windows 10 Mobile where will we find your wonderful proses? Android Authority or Apple?
  • If they are to kill it, I am fine if they let the 950/XL users to upgrade to the newer version they introduce and updates flowing for some more time. However, if they are to abandon 950/XL users, I will fetch an iPhone, even if they release a full fledged Windows 10 based mobile with all bells and whistles.
    I bought 900, 920, 640XL and 950XL over past 5 years. Each and every one of them getting support for maximum 2 years and a reboot happens, making my phone sit as a dumb phone or a paper weight. And adding salt to the wounds is that Microsoft is the first one to pull it's apps from the older phones. With the reason, the next iteration makes Windows based phones lot closer to the desktop versions.
    Me going out is not a pretty big loss to Microsoft. Just one person out. So do not consider that as me threatening Microsoft, which I can not do.
  • Took a venture into Android with a free phone from Cricket. I will return to my Lumia 640.
  • Was it not obvious that Windows 10 mobile would be left behind for Windows ARM? I wonder what these OEMs are thinking when i hear that anyone of them is working on a new Win10 mobile, an OS going into extinction, and then when it doesn't sell, they complain. As an OEM I'd rather wait and let MS lead the way, just like on other surface products.
  • I've been on Windows Phone since 2010. I'm going to stick with it until my device literally dies. Hopefully by then I'll be able to upgrade to a new windows mobile experienec
  • I'm ok with whichever way they go in keeping Windows on phones - AS LONG AS IT IS AVAILABLE ON VERIZON.
  • Windows phone 10 is known for offering phones at a great price. Killing the software immediately might affect a lot of Windows phone fans who only afford budget phones.
  • MERGE IT! I think they will merge it with full-fledged Windows 10. Windows 10 Mobile will basically be the CShell for small screens. That's it, no development effort wasted. It can still be called Windows 10 Mobile "shell" (without the shell of course). It will run on Arm, loads UWP while on small screen form factor, and can run desktop and desktop apps in continuum mode. Budget phones can run the same OS but won't get the continuum mode. If the performance is bad then no more Windows budget phones, that's it.
  • This platform is dead. I want to use 1st party device, nothing made by Microsoft partners. iPhone isn't real phone, it's uncustomizable toy for kids and Google's pixels are expensive as hell. I don't know where I should switch.
  • the question is: microsoft already stopped product and sell lumia, outside are there only the hpx3(that costs alot) and some less important device whythll i should ask where we will go, if they doesn't sell devices ?   should we hope in the mobile wolrd congress of this mounth? i don't see something on mid-range devices, if not rumors on hpx4 but RUMORS. (i would like to buy a 950xl but cannot find if not in some small place or site)and sure i don't wanna waste money in something that they cannot repair because they finished and stopping producing components(about the article microsoft cannot replace lumia 950 in Uk because they finished the under varranty replament, on this site)    
  • I like and use a verizon nokia 928 smart phone I have to go to a Windows 10 mobile smart phone anyhow. I would hope that Microsoft would stay with Windows 10 mobile os because Microsoft should stop switching smart phones OS's. we have gone from Windows 7 to 8 to 8.1 and now we are at Windows 10 mobile. The Windows 10 mobile Redstone 2 and 3 updates plus the x86 emulation software that enables ARMS CPU devices to run some full Windows 10 win32 desktop POprograms will make a Windows 10 mobile smart phone work much like a pocket PC are what will make Windows 10 mobile smart phones reborn a very powerful smart phone to say the least. Something worth buying
  • I agree. Windows 10 mobile is still necessary, unless they can say the new Windows 10 can be updated to my current 950XL and down to the 550, then its pointless to keep going with Microsoft. They'll either just change it again or drop Windows Phone all together, if it doesn't work out.
  • None of the current devices will be able to update to win10 ARM, stop dreaming. It's the same story as twice before.FFS, it's like you don't know how MS operates: Reboot, no upgrade path for existing users, we don't care about them 'cause they are stupid enough to buy our products again, change in APIs so devs have to rewrite most of their code because why not, we are MS
  • Spot on.  No WM6 devices got WP7, no WP7 devices got WP8, and only a handful of WP8 devices got W10M.  Anyone hoping their W10M device will see W10 Arm needs to look back at the history of Mobile at MS.
  • You mean any mobile OS or device. Microsoft isn't the only one out there that requires updates to certain hardware.
  • We need steve ballmer back in Microsoft. The current CEO did nothing but destryong this amazing paltform. I'm with windows phone since 2011, and I refuse to let go we may need the comunity to keep develop this paltform. Don't like microsoft CEO!
  • I think you're backwards here. Go check your facts.
  • He is 100% right! Ever since Nadella came, there has been nothing but poor quality, users taken as fools, and trust in MS has gone downwards even from recent OEMS: Acer that has admitted they are not gonna update the Jade Primo to AU because of the pathetic OS state, and pretty sure they won't invest ever in another windows smartphone, no matter how it would be. All important OEMS: Samsung, LG, Sony, HTC, Lenovo Moto do not care about this pathetic OS, because MS FAILED to maintain trust. I don't give a damn about no name brands, OEMS that are to small to even consider speding a penny on them, such as Wharton Brooks, NuAns or whatever #$%###%% names other have.
  • The current CEO correctly realised that this platform isn't making any money and so hasn't invested as much in it, can't really blame him for that
  • Kill is not the obvious one or else why would anyone be reading this! Stop the MS bashing
  • NO! They deserve to be bashed! They have lied, ditched users, killed products after fooling users into buying, they have no respect towards customers, they deliver mediocre quality and have one of the worst customer support!
  • I have no complains about Windows 10 Mobile because I understand what is happening. So when my Lumia 640 XL became a little too much obsolete to me I went to a store and bought an Android phone (considering that 950's have never been released in my country) and I am pretty happy with it. But I still love Windows 10, use it in my PC and I'm looking forward to buying a Windows tablet
  • Today's question; Does Windows 10 Mobile have a future? Answer: No. Do I get a prize?
  • Like what i said on the other article, there is no faith or future on this if satya itself doesnt use MS Mobile.
  • MS does currently jack **** marketing Windows 10 Mobile. They need to reposition it with regards to both iOS/Android: "look, our mobile solutions are better at..." or "look, our mobile solutions may not be better, but they are cheaper/have better support/are easier to use..." Recently, 10 Mobile seems like dead to MS.
  • I was with Windows for a very very loooooong time... and bought them all, last being the 950XL. But fed up and frustrated that's not going anywhere so gone to Android whereby Microsoft apps are better than those on W10. Weird how the world works...
  • I did the same, exactly what I was thinking - I was hoping that someday everything would change, but it has been several years now and I can no longer warrant having a sub-par mobile OS with instability issues and a lack of apps that actually make a smartphone, smart.
  • The Lumia 950 is a great phone. The best I have had of old windows phones, android and iPhone. The latter are really expensive toys for people who cannot put the things down from one minute to the next - some even when driving. The 950 is a small computer (remember pocket pc?) to use on to go and a phone which works exceedingly well. It integrates perfectly with my windows tablet and desktop. People like me don't really care whether it has an "ARM" in it or whether it runs full windows 10 or half windows 10 or how it scales we just want what the 950 does and more - a pocket sized computer to use on the go that works as a phone and a mini pc. If people want expensive toys to dedicate their whole lives to good luck to them but don't criticise people who have different values and lifestyles.
  • What does the L950 that Android can't? Nothing. The L950 is the toy.
  • well, there are a few questions that can answer how this will continue: 1- is W10 and W10M's on a back end level REALLY the same? Because if it is, updates to one should also mean updates to the other with little effort. that is what Microsoft said Windows 10 was. So either it is, and the effort to update both is minimal , or they were lying. 2- If CShell is coming first to mobile first like you said, is it coming to W10M or is it coming to WOA running on a cell phone? Because if W10M is getting CShell, the point is the same as above: Updating means updates on all type of devices, which means W10M can continue to get updates as well. If MS were to abandon W10M, they can't do it abruptly because it would damage the "one OS for all" that they announced when they announced Windows 10. After they launch the first phone running WOA, they will have to keep updating W10M for at least a year, (even if they are small updates) and then they can blame hardware restrictions for not providing future updates after that. By the end of 2018 the 950 will be 3 years old. if they stop updating it, it would have still gotten more updates than any android ever did.
  • Anyone that thinks this this OS still has a future does not want to face the reality. I like windows myself and have several mid-range windows devices. The OS, battery management, speed are some of the things I like. However, the lack of apps, or the lack of features in apps compared to similar apps on Android, did it for me. I managed without my bank's (Chase) app and a few others. However, I spend a lot of time comuting on the train to/from work. So, I need to entertain myself. As an AT&T customer, I can use the DirecTV app on my android and stream 24/7 and it will not count against the Data my family of 4 shares. Well, theere is no DirecTV app for windows OS. I have 3 Lumia 640's sittoing in the drawer. They will be there for a long time, unless somethin changes on the windows side. 
  • If Microsoft can achieve what they achieved with the Surface Pro (Tablets are normally bigger phones of their respected OS, Surface Pros are smaller PCs with less limitations) in Mobile it will be a winner. How they get to that point may have to start in the business sector first.
  • Its already Dead, and the Creators Edition of Windows is already feature complete, with Zero compelling new features for mobile. So we know Microsoft has given up. The only thing that will save Windows Mobile, Phone, ARM whatever they rename it this year, is that is has to run Android Apps, aka let Xamarin take on the platform bridge of Android Apps. Period. No one (except us saddo WP fans) will by a Smartphone, unless it has a viable ecosystem of mobile Apps from the get go.(Win 32 is NOT the answer) That means the platform has to run Android Apps. And No that does not mean the end of UWP, Metro, Store or whatever rebranding of the Window Apps they call it this year. The Platform (still) needs to offer compelling features, Like Live Tiles, Continum for both Android (aka Xamarin compiled) Apps as well as UWP Apps. Consumers, then Developers will ONLY come to your Platform first if it has the Apps, and then only if it has more compelling features that the other platforms.
  • Yes... If Microsoft comes out with a smaller cheaper version of the surface with an 8 inch 1440p display with same internals for $399 or less. It will give the iPad a run for its money and revive Windows Mobile to the masses. Cause the problem is there's no cheap Windows tablet (under $400) that's good.
  • Tablet experience on windows 10 is a total crap! Also the App Store is a ghost town.
  • A W10M tablet is dead-on-arrival above $100. What compelling reason is there to get a tablet like that with all the limitations of a W10M phone without the phone aspect? It would fail harder than the Lumia 650 and 950. There's no good 8" windows tablet because the hardware to make it so hasn't been available much less cheap. Cherry Trail was slow and uncompetitive when it was released, putting it into a smaller form factor will simply give you a slow tablet with terrible battery life, especially with a high-resolution display, which is exactly what the current state of 8" Windows tablets are at. A Surface Mini should be a premium high-quality device running Windows on ARM. I envision something with a Snapdragon 835 with 4-6GB of ram, 64GB+ UFS2.0 storage, a high quality screen and a stylus. Battery life needs to be 8+ hours, no need to go ham on screen resolution if it sacrifices battery life, 1080/1200p is fine at that size and would still look great. The selling point is it's a great consumption device on it's own, but can be docked at home to be a fully functioning PC. Price it reasonably against the iPad Mini.
  • Judging by the MS store they are already killing it. Every single W10M device is gone except for the HP Elite. I can still buy WP8.1 devices, but why would I bother? It's a similar story in local retailers - everywhere is sold out completely & no longer carrying W10M devices. Locally they usually restock in March (historically that's when WP devices arrive here after Oct releases in the US) , but it really does feel like they're not going to be selling any devices anymore. Local retailers I can understand, but MS directly not supporting their own products?!
  • "If Microsoft were to kill it, I don't think it'd be that bad of an idea in the long run." Are you kidding me? The world's third largest mobile operating systems of 2016 is about to die? Windows Central seems to have gone Windows Mental.....For the millions who trusted Microsoft and invested billions of dollars on Nokia cellphone like the 41 MP Nokia Lumia 1020, which still has no match, Android, iOS, Maemo, Bada, Palm OS or Meego wise, you are pulling the plug on billions of dollars, trust hard work and faith already invested by millions of consumers. As me being one of them, running everything from Windows 3.1 , XP, Symbian OS, 8.1, 10 and 10 mobile, all I can say is if you abandon them now, it is unlikely that they will ever want or crave or have anything to do with Microsoft again. I can still see Lumia phones selling, maybe not at number one like Apple, but then the price factors are indeed different..........Obviously someday cellphones will be as powerful as desktops and laptops, so things like Continuum will be de rigeur, but for that to happen Microsoft needs to continuously keep the Windows platform alive, yes, even with its innumerable hardware and software problems. I hope Microsoft doesn't let go off older customers just because younger newer ones outnumber them presently. The way the Lumias and the Nokia thing was handled, it appears as if Microsoft is no longer a billion dollar company, but a shadow of itself. Atleast that's my perception on that whole affair. Why? Why would you abandon older customers Windows and kill Windows 10 Mobile when millions use it presently just as they did the Nokias.....the Nokias switched to Android when Symbian couldn't match the hardware reqs, but Windows has "ADAPTED" and MORPHED since the 80s, that's almost half a century. My advice don't kill Windows 10 Mobile, maybe morph it into Windows XI, or XX, but surely persist as they say in the Android world, cause the Number three OS on this planet despite its limitations, bugs, errors and what not, can slide to number ten if MS pulls the plug on it.a
  • I have tried a few times to switch.  Yes, I've been in an Apple Store and onsidered doing a deal.  But then I look at phone (especially when I had the 1520) and walk out the door.  We something to jump to when 950 contracts end.
  • MS retrenching and then abandoning Windows Phone again actually ruined UWP. The only way they were going to get developers to really step up and develop for UWP was if they had mobile devices out in the wild. MS should have gone balls to the wall marketing Windows Phone and releasing the 6 handsets a year they said they were going to. Get it out in front of everyone and make hardware people want. They were close to 5% at one point, had some momentum there right after the 1020 and 1520 came out and the Nadella happened and they just stopped. They should have gone all out after Windows 10 was released because UWP only matters on mobile and without mobile devices available and marketed, developers have no reason to embrace UWP. Another bed that's burning that MS made themselves.
  • They did all of that. It didnt work. Marketing doesnt get people to buy a phone that doesnt have the apps they want.
  • Do please explain in what way they "did all of that"? No one is stupid enough to think MS would turn a profit on selling 10's of millions of new Lumias, but quite simply the lack of mobile devices available today has created a vacuum that is clearly adversely affecting UWP's future. If W10m was a burning platform, the retrenchment strategy is akin to pouring petrol on it and the fire is spreading to the wider W10.
  • Remember when MS cut the size of free OneDrive - backlash. Can this happen for WP?
    Are you willing to dump all your MS subscribed services?
  • As long as I get two years out of my 950XL, and the new phone does Continuum, I could care less what OS the new phone runs, as long as its not IOS or android. I don't mind getting a new phone every two years. Continuum has enabled me to dump my DSL/landline and I'm saving $110 a month! I'm now on Crickets 12GB plan. I can RDP or teamviewer to my dads i7 for torrents.
  • I'm in the 'Does it matter' camp but not in the way discussed in the article. Does it really matter if your phone runs Windows 10 Mobile or Windows 10 for ARM if they both allow you to do the same things and one is a natural progression of the other? What will be interesting is how Microsoft manage the transition. Will a subset of existing phones be eligible to upgrade (all Windows mobile devices are currently running on ARM) but I suspect there will be a minimum SPEC (Qualcom xxxx?) with xGB RAM and yGB storage. That's fine as long as people can migrate all their Store bought apps from one platform to the other and the upgrade is simple. If the interfaces look similar on the handset. batter life is comparable, performance is as good - again, who cares. I for one would welcome Windows 10 for ARM where the handset UI looks as it does now, Continuum is a full Windows 10 desktop and all my apps / settings/. media work as they do now.
  • Yes Windows Phones have future. But it will not be Surface Phones or Bots or Continuum which is going to help it. I firmly believe that it will be WEBASSEMBLY which will help this. The entire app development being done today will go for a massive change once WEBASSEMBLY becomes popular and developers writing one code will be able to run it on any OS via a browser.  It will take some more years.. but yes definitely this is the future... MS are you listening? Bring on the support in Visual Studio!      
  • I think it is pretty simple.  Microsoft are bideing(?) their time until the more powerful ARM processors arrive, e.g. the 835. Once this happens, they take the Cloud OS and stick it onto the 835 chip and run Win 10 on ARM. From there we now have vative Windows, a Store, Continuum, scaling start screens, and full .exe apps if desired (assuming compiled for Store). By the time the 835 gets here, there will be larger and cheaper flash memory and RAM onboard all decent phones, so a larger OS will not matter too much.  The biggest headache in all of this is for INTEL. They have not performed well enough to out muscle ARM and will lose the tablet market altogether (by which I mean the Surface devices) and perhaps most of the notebook market also. How so? Well, if iPads cn run better in a year's time than now, it will make them easily powerful enough for most notebooks tasks.
  • Zac you should have included a sixth option; PRAYER!! M$ is going to sorely need it. The only hope Windows Mobile can now count on is that of pure luck or fortuned providence; neither is a strategy as M$ has left a black hole of a gape where one should have been. We've flogged this carcass of a horse way too many times and its as dead Windows Mobile is. You can't "kill" something that's already this dead and "repositioning it" or worse still "doing nothing" only aggravates the stench. Microsoft is going to very slowly but surely discover the real pain of making such terribly blunderous decisions with Mobile. So yes; option 6: PRAY. because I'm not sure they will survive the hell Android is about to unleash on them on all front, not just Mobile.
  • Did you know that WIndows 10 mobile is also known as  'Windows 10 IoT Mobile Enterprise​' ?
  • After ~5 years of Windows 8.1/10 mobile device ownership, I've lost faith and made the switch to Android. I absolutely loved my Lumia 930, and then my first 950XL - then, in December, when I broke the screen of it, I bought a new one. However, as the months have gone by, I've continued to lose faith in the OS and become increasingly frustrated with how unreliable and lacking of features/apps it is. Let's face it, if your on the release build, there's not much special about the OS, and its a similar situation for the slow ring (which appears to be pretty far behind). I therefore opted for the fast ring, and to give MS credit, the builds are a lot more stable than they were before - problem is, nothing seems to be really evolving, and this OS (release or preview builds) just isn't reliable enough for a device as important as a smartphone is these days. I've been let down many times by the Maps app when using for navigation, Groove plays music with a lot of stutter (on a phone with 8 cores!), and WhatsApp doesn't receive notifications all of the time - these frustrations were the final straw. I've reluctantly chosen to leave the ecosystem, and being completely honest I *really* miss the look of the OS (best by FAR), and the hardware of the 950XL (still incredible). Problem is, I just need something that works, is reliable, and has apps like CityMapper, Waze, and others. Tbh if I were in Microsoft's position I'd be looking to can the OS, it was great while it lasted but it just isn't profitable, nor is it suddenly going to gain any significant market share. However, if by some miracle the OS does take off, I for one will be going back (not a fan of Android which is what I'm living with now). IMO there isn't really a profitable future for Windows 10 Mobile, even in enterprise. Part of the problem is when nobody is making apps for your platform you have to make them *all* yourself, which will cost a fortune and be impossible to manage/keep up-to-date. /rant
  • If windows Central is pondering the question, then no, it doesn't have a future.  They likely have seen something that points to win on ARM being the default option for windows mobile-like devices, and W10m being wrapped into Win for IoT.
  • Why are we pondering this question over and over.  Unfortunately the folks at WPCentral don't get it.  Windows 10 Mobile is already dead.  (I guess it depends upon your definition of dead:  if not dead dead, then brain dead and on life support.)  The write down of Nokia, the layoffs, the end of the Lumia line, the shift to enterprise only, ..... is all that is needed to understand this.  ARM is not going to fix Windows 10 Mobile.  
  • Windows Mobile in its current form is dead. Does this mean MS is done with mobile, no. MS has consolidated to the more profitable realms at the the moment. Windows 10, Surface devices, office 365, cloud. Once UWP is complete and all the apps are being built on that platform or converted to it and MS has proven with sales that it can maintain and be profitable in a cross platform environment then you might see the rise of the surface phone once more. The key though is getting you hooked completely into the MS evironment, and right now with Google services being faster, cheaper, and more widely known, MS has some catch up work. 
  • keep dreaming.
  • Microsoft retrenchment to solely profitable products rather than building and developing the market is the short sighted approach. Shareholders are important, of course they are but short sighted approach is everything that is wrong with our economies. Get rid of Nadella
  • I have a Galaxy S7 and Microsoft 640 and I use my Windows phone as my daily phone. As much as the Galaxy S7 has improved over the S5 that I had prior, my Windows phone has better battery life and doesn't start to heat up like its going to burn up like my Galaxy S7 does sometimes. I like that I can do almost everything I need to on my Windows phone. More apps have become available for it in the last year then the prior year. Please Microsoft, keep the mobile phone alive. If you could just get people to try it half the people using iphones and android phones would switch. Especially if they could pay half as much for their phone and found it just as easy to use as an iphone. I know several people that use very few apps on their iphones and a windows phone would work out fine for them.  I bet we could get 30% of the phone market with the right incentives and advertising. Then developers would be flocking to write more apps.
  • Im with you Ray, Ive had both also, now I have an LG, and will be puchasing a new Microsoft Lumia soon, I miss my Lumia! Windows phone!! Actually my favorite of all phones! I Love the Clarity, So Sharp!! Vibrant Colors!! And I like TILES!!!!! So Microsoft PLEASE KEEP THE WINDOWS PHONES FOREVER!!! Yall know you can come up with some Great things to kick Androids butt!!! Just So You Know, You Have Fans!!!
  • There's a compelling sense that Android would serve my phone needs better, My experience with Windows Mobile has been satisfactory, but I don't sense that MS is striving for greatness here as they once did. My opinion is the OS will have some sort of future, but never will arise as a market leader.
  • On current situation, 10000000000% nope ! There are tons of bugs here! It is look like Android 2.x ... Really really don't have any ideas where to go! It is so SAD that I am leaving ... Can't bear any more !!!
  • I think full windows on ARM (Cshell) and Windows 10 Mobile wil co-exist for a while. There is no need to throw early windows 10 mobile users under the bus as both platforms will run UWP-apps. And the adaptive shell on a 3-7inch screen will most likely still look and act like Windows 10 Mobile does to day. So I expect current Windows 10 Mobile devices (Alcatel Idol 4s, HP Elite x3, Lumia 550, 650 and 950/950xl) to keep working like they do today and still have the benefits of every UWP-app that comes to the Windows 10 store, it just won't have the acces to Win32 apps like new Windows 10 (mobile) devices might have, and I'm okay with that!
  • Use Webapps and you have a modern UI with a safe OS
  • Wonder why all the drama with everything is dead, Windows Mobile is a name, the OS it is running is named Windows 10, the same as the desktop, yes at the current version you don't have all the desktop functionallity and that it is going to be fixed with the new responsive ui for Windows, but why would it "kill" anything, it is a natural progress of the os and it will still be Windows 10... ​Windows 10 mobile is a version of windows that is running on Arm cpu, it also works on intel (the "emulator" that runs in Hyper-v is running on intel).
    ​That the kernel is the same on all the platform is quite obvious already today, and you can see things from the desktop shine throu in the mobile version and vice versa. ​So I belive that the future will be a single os on all device sizes with the current name of Windows, and then if the flavour should be pro/home/mobile/xbox should probably only be what feature that is availlible on the current version and the pro version on a phone will look the same as the mobile version but will have more pro features on it, like the difference on home and pro are today..  ​But the future will tell, and I think it will be a exciting one for wp fans :)
  • Agree. I think MS is trying to make "Windows 10 Everywhere"..and any UWP can run on any "Windows 10" devices...no matter it is PC/Tablet/Mobile..using ARM/Intel CPU or not...
  • WM10 shares some components with W10, but has a slew of them specific to it. This is likely to change, with W10 absorbing variat