Leaked render offers a quick look at the upcoming Lumia 650

That is not a Lumia.... I think that's a leaked picture of a Samsung GS5 running W10M.

doesnt look like apple enough to be a samsung

Lol. Then what does it look like? Because, it doesn't look like a Lumia 800, 820, 830, 900, 920, 925, 930, 1020, 1320, 1520, or 2520...

650 wont be having sd210.. 640 has sd400 how can its successor have 210?

Becasue Microsoft. Remember how 530 was worse than 520!

Well, that was Nokia, though.

Holy ****, that's blasphemy around here...

It says that its sd410, not sd210. Read the article again

well it says "rumored specs"... :P  

I think this is a sign Microsoft still isn't "getting it".
One high end phone, one low end phone... then wait a year before releasing any more. First party market saturation is a strategy that has failed them every time... let the other OEMs do that so they can focus on improving the general software experience for their couple phones. When they announced the 950 then 550 I'd hoped they would finally have learned that's all they need on the market for the year, why aren't they learning?

'i think that Microsoft still isn't getting it' I think that Microsoft is still trying to get rid of the left over Nokia projects, just like the 950/950xl

Quite clearly, this does not look like a Nokia leftover. At least it is not reflected in the design language. And I still cannot understand Microsoft. It seems they are going to continue confusing customers with 550, 650, 650 XL, 655 with duo-SIM, 652 only for Carrier X, 750, 950, 950 XL. After 640/XL I thought we would finally see some consistency: 6xx then 7xx/8xxx and finally 9xx (plus XLs with each). In my opinion, it would make most sense to go with 6xx, 7xx and then 9xx as it would denote 9xx as much superior to the other two. Of course, it would need to actually be that way, unlike the situation we have with the 950 and its build quality.    

first of all, it's a leak. it can be inacuarte. secondly, can nokia not ever change their design? do they have to stick with the same design every year? This is a nolia carryover, because the only thing we know of which is a microsoft led project is the panos phone, aka surface phone which is due late 2016

I think this phone is rumoured, not real.

Maybe not a phone for you but there are many who these specs are more than enough. Especially if its running W10M.

That black line at the bottom is something new on Lumia phones, whatever it is. Would be nice if FFC was above M, as proximity sensor above T, just to make it look symmetrical

That's the speaker

That black line you at the bottom most likely a front speaker. Though I love to have front-firing speakers, the front aesthetic based on this leaked image seems a weird choice. The upper part of ear speaker is smaller while the bottom is wider, making it weirdly asymmetrical. Why I don't why not just make it equally bigger, even better why not just make those two a true front-firing stereo speakers. About the sensor above, this is why I don't like the choice of having white or anything other than black bezels. It makes the sensor holes and camera visible cluttering up the front and ruin the minimalism at the front. Unless they can make it symmetrical as you said, they should refrain making non-black bezels. Lumia always been using black bezels (except the Lumia 710) and that choice is right in terms of aesthetics, making the front cleaner and makes the bezel less visible. For AMOLED, it makes even better to have black bezels.

This is just a leak..may be a 650 with black bezel exists... And I agree on the Asymmetry of the size of speaker and ear speaker.. Even though it doesn't matter for some of us..

Well functionality it doesn't really matter, though I find it a weird aesthetic choice.
I also believe that black bezel exist. I think the white bezel option is simply to follow the trend from Galaxy and iPhone, which is why some commenters find it looked like Galaxy/iPhone.
Weirdest decision though is that this mid-range/low-end have metallic frame, an aesthetic traits commonly expected for flagships. This one got it while 950 series didn't. Its supposed to be other way around, I dont expect 650 having this, but hey its here and I think that's great for people who like it.

Heaven forbid an ms phone looks like a galaxy and/or an iPhone. It seems perfectly acceptable for the galaxy and iPhone to pair up...,but bring the redheaded stepchild to the party and we got a problem. Go home ginger...

I'd do it like the SP4 does it. Really wish the 950XL had dual FFS config. It's pretty much my only pain point. At least the speaker quality is pretty darn good.

Yeah, they should take not from their own Surface line having front stereo speakers in the bezels. Since that Panos Panay and his team will get involved on designing and making next Lumia/Windows phone devices (at least for flagship), then this is a possibility. It seems that this Lumia 650 is a testbed for future front stereo speakers implementation.

I've always loved white phones with black bezels.

Looks more like the xperia L

Don't look Lumia.. Sad.

So far even though I don't like having white bezels, at first impression this looks better than 950 series. The only downside is the bezel at the top is too big making it instantly assymetrical and unbalanced. Interesting though is that this have metallic frame (uncofirmed if its real metal or just chrome plastic which is unlikely for Lumia). A aesthetic trait that are preferable for flagship devices. Usually designs are planned in advance but this one feels like an design response to 950 aesthetic controversy or more likely just an coincedence and just another Microsoft weird decisions. Most interesting part is that they finally put speakers at the front -- though not stereo unfortunately. This is a first-time in Lumia to have front speakers. Another odd thing though is that the top ear speaker is smaller while the front main speaker is wider.

Yes, the line on the front for the speaker at the bottom is wider, because it must acccomodate a larger speaker than the earpiece speaker up top. It must also accomodate the microphone in that location, or you wouldn't be able to talk to people who call.

Off topic-Just asking. If in repair status of Microsoft it's said the device is in repair could to also mean it's waiting for the part or the part that's needed is not available? O.o

I believe so best to chat with MS to be sure of exact status. I have had devices in repair and they didn't change status when holding on a part.

MS should've kept either 550 or the 650 is they were retrenching. I would've liked to see a midrange instead one of these(550 for example)

1GB ram.. :\

1GB is moronic.. I agree it should be two in budget handsets. Especially seeing the memory problems with win 10.

Minimum should be 2.

And why exactly? What's the problem with 1GB except "my friends Android has 2GB"? Though most Androids low costs have still 1GB.

True^. Morons only compare the specs and never see real life performance. Even 512mb Lumias perform better than 1gb androids.

Pallav . Come and use my 1GB RAM Lumia 1320 .. You will say it needs 2GB RAM to run smoothly... Gone are the Lagless days in WP8 GDR3

Well with new features old phones may run slow. But my old 520 is still faster than the new moto e.

How many seconds does your phone take to open WhatsApp...? 2 seconds right..? Android does it faster with 256MB Ram

It's not all about RAM, look at how fast Universal apps launch on windows 10 mobile, I'm sure with future updates WhatsApp will improve.

The funny part is my Lumia 535 with windows mobile 10 works better on 1gb ram than on my 2gb ram Lumia 1020

Abhishek, My lowly 1gb 1320 performs admirably!! It isn't a ram problem with the 1320. It's main hinderence is the dual core chip. For what it is, it is pretty good on W10M, and copes very well with the OS. The 650 would probably be a step up for us 1320 users. A 5.7" screen would be a result for those of us used to a large piece of screen real estate. My back up is a 640xl, but I always grab the 1320 for some reason.....

Don't compare 20series phones with 1gb ram to 30series with 1gig. The ram doesn't matter as stated by a lot of people who used it on diff ram devices. Its all about the processor. As of now win 10 mobile is not optimized well for dual core devices maybe when the dual core devices officially get it in the second wave the so will be optimized for dual core .

What W10M needs isn't 2GB RAM, but a more aggressive task killer. Seriously, you don't need all eight of the most recently opened apps reserving valuable RAM space. Too many times do I have to head to the task list for some manual purging, just so the image picker works or so the current app doesn't crash.

I have the Lumia 630 (512mb) version. The 18 month old device still runs buttery smooth. But the big issue I have is loading content heavy web pages like DenofGeek and AutoExpress. Those sites are so ads heavy they are now unusable I just get the dreadful resuming message. I've tried the alternative UC browser but same thing happens so certainly a memory issue. But I'm not too mad at Microsoft but more at those publications for not having lighter weight mobile versions. Still something to think about.

Exactly same here. The performance is phenomenal. Its not a powerhouse (for heavy websites) though that you are expecting it to be, its a budget device. It hasn't slowed down even a bit even after one and half year of usage. Its still able to handle the OS and apps superbly and everything is smooth as ****. Whereas some of my friends who bought Samsung and Sony around the same time are fed up because they can do nothing on those phones without facing severe lags and slow transitions of the UI.
But one thing I'll give Android is that it doesn't kill apps in the background like WP does. The app actually stays in the RAM. I hope W10M manages RAM better.

the main problem is not that "my friends android has 2GB" but the price ... for something like 150-200 dollars you can buy an Android smartphone with 2gb (or more) of ram, FullHD screen and so on, why should I pay more (or the same) to have less?.  

And what will you do with the extra ram? Chew it? Windows is never a memory hog like android.

I don't want my tabs to keep reloading. I'm a heavy Web browsing guy.
Now do you see the use of 2 GB ram? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android

Dwl that cracked me up :')

Pallav, I have a 2gb ram android tablet with baytrail quad core and 32gb. I also have a cheap windows tab with 2gb same chipset, same storage. They are night and day performance with. Loading if web pages is way, way quicker on the win tab, running several tabs on win tab has very little impact. I can have office 365 running along with chrome, groove, and a download running at the same time, and the win tab doesn't show any sign of issues. She might get a bit warmer, but that's it. The droid, on the other hand....lollipop with chrome running, libera office, mix radio and downloading a film, the android throws it's toys out of the pram!! Non responsive, excessive heat, chip throttling back, shutdown! Not a scientific test, but when you consider my win tab was £55.00 including office 365 for a year, and my android was £150...Oh, both appear to be pegatron boards / chipsets. Go figure

It's not about extra memory. It's about higher specs in all departments, HD displays, octa core cpus, good 13mpx sony cameras and big batteries. Almist everything is better specd.

Why are you guys always obssessed with other platforms? You can make your point without dragging Android or iOS into it. Almost feels like you have a complex or something. 

W10M may not be a memory hog, but it makes apps act like they are by not killing off the most recently used apps/tasks aggressively enough.

For 200 dollars you can buy any other chinese OEM made Android device.. You can't buy Sony or Samsung with 2GB RAM with that price though...( talking about the launch price )... Lumias costs more.. BLU will be cheaper with 2GB RAM.. Got the point?.. ...
As a side note.. I wish it was actually a midrange device than a low end one.. With 1080p display ,2GB RAM, and SD 615( or whatever )... But MS is giving space to 3rd party OEMs.. Let them have a chance.. Wait till CES 2016 for 2GB RAM devices...

Sony M4 Aqua

Which is a crap device.. So you want a crap Lumia?

Don't be ridiculous. M4 crap device, lol. In what department it's crap? It's of good build quality, have great display, camera and decent other specs.
I was always fan of Nokia, their components are of highest quality, but that doesn't mean every other there is "crap" as you say. Sony, LG, Xiaomi, Meizu, those are all good manufacturers with better support than MSFT. And I don't want "crap" Lumia as you say. I'm willing to pay a little bit more for Lumia, as it was back in the days, but I'm not goung to pay 200euros for 8mpx camera and SD210. If I wanted heavily underspeced phone, I would have bought iPhone.

There's actually a phone out there that has 2GB RAM, 16GB storage with no microSD expansion, 720p display, 1715mAH battery and costs $650. Oh wait that's an iPhone 6s.

The 6s has a 720p display?

750p to be precise.1334x750 resolution

well said brother....

UI, and different environment. You have to root it if you want to fully delete (NOT disable) that bloat, install a better launcher, app pack, app resizer, and find solutions for transferring services if need be. (music, apps like YT, Reddit, Ect)

Mid rangers dont.. The real problem is android users switching to WP.. They wont switch to WP seeing the mid rangers with only 1gb ram(though enough) compared to android at same price they get 2-3gb.. MS should upgrade their specs at par as android to be in competition.. Low ends should have 1gb(already has).. Mid rangers 2gb.. And flagships 3gb(already have).. Plus with good specs you get good features too.. With bad specs-less features

Or they should keep specs low so they can keep prices low but performance high?

Aren't these devices with 1GB RAM and 720p displays the low end devices though? The 550 for example is dirt cheap by UK standards (Not comparing specs to similarly priced phones, but just comparing how the experience would likely be) I'd expect a mid range device bought now (If there was one that existed, running Windows 10 Mobile out of the box) to be roughly the specs of the Lumia 930, but with glance (That should be on all mid-range and upwards Windows 10 Mobile phones go forward IMO).

Couple of points: When people buy phones (or anything for that matter) they compare products. Even if they don't exactly know what each spec. Means and how it affects performance 2 is more than 1. Second. I have been using a lumia 640 xl with win10 for a while now. Have used it with a 930 and a 1020. And I notice the disadvantage of one gig off RAM.
I know it's preview software and that optimal performance is not yet implemented for "older" phones.

A lot of people compare specs before buying and especially ram and features.. I did when i bought my 1st WP, Lumia 720(512mb) over Xperia L(1gb).. Both were at same price & i was a bit disappointed with L720 for having 512mb ram & was abt to get xperia but then thought of trying WP.. Yes i did a right choice choosing WP but people dont often do what i did.. They go for things which offer more than others offering less

LOL I tought you were ironic.... sad times

Good news???????? Lol. Another phone that looks like a GS3?. Lol. Wow!

no.... a lot of budgets still have a half gig. they are budget phones for a reason anything more than one will just put the price too high.

Can you name which phone with 512mb ram released just now?

Why are the buttons on screen. This is so stupid and misuse of space. Wake Up Lumia

You can't say it's misuse of space, there could be some components under that bezel too. To add physical key they'll have to increase the bezel size. That will reduce the usable screen size. With soft Keys u can gide dem and use the full screen.

But On Screen buttons looks beautiful in Android but not in Windowsphone.. Bcoz Android has made that region Transparent but Windowsphone limited to Accent Colour or black colour.

I find on screen buttons cool on my Lumia 730. Better than one in Android. Best part u can hide it.

Yes... Its so better I hated the onscreen buttons when used some androids but the transition to 730 made my view change. But only for windows phone on screen buttons.....

Yes.. Me too.. Onscreen buttons looks awesome on my 730.

That's subjective. And keys are transparent in the Photos app and during OTG mouse use on some pages/when hidden and mouse is hovering over area of influence).
That being said, I think the android "shape" navigation looks absolutely godawful. Like the damñ PS controller, only worse... :P

The bottom part housed a front speaker based on the photo, first-time in Lumia (but not stereo speakers like the HTC One series). About the bezel size at the bottom, I don't think having capacitive button at the bottom bezel makes it thicker. Previous Lumia such as 1520 have moderately sized bezel at the bottom yet still house capacitive buttons, giving a nice illusion of "small bezels" but actually it just use the space for capacitive buttons. Now the with on-screen button, that empty space at the bottom bezels gives the feeling of big bezels. This is why some other brands use that area for logo just to make look better. Anways, for me I'm more bothered that the top bezel is slightly bigger than the bottom part. This not flagship so I can't expect smaller bezels for these kind of devices.

I'm a fan of capacitive buttons but see the benefits of on screen buttons. Being able to hide them so you never accidentally press them when playing a game is one. But also the ability to change the style and design of them. For example the magnifying glass on a capacitive button will always show that, but with on-screen buttons it should really show the Cortana icon instead when enabled.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that! It would be nice to have an option that Search button should have Cortana icon if enabled/available. Even useful if Cortana icon animates when the Cortana On-Tap detects something (a rumored feature that is inspired from Google On-Tap which is nice to copy). The animation indicates that Cortana can suggest something based from the foreground app contents and contextual task.
I'm actually not against On-Screen button. This actually just makes it consistent to Windows 10 family and allows any future enhancements and changes for the navigation bar.
I can see why people upset about this though, it's because of hardware. It leaves large empty bezel at the bottom which is looks weird on some devices. If the device have stereo front-speaker (like from that image), device brand (not the pesky carrier logo), fingerprint scanner for Windows Hello or simply just making it smaller bezel, some people would more likely accept the on-screen button.

Tell that to Samsung Galaxy S6 Posted via my Samsung Galaxy S3 Neo which isn't as much abandoned as any Windows Phone on the Windows Central App for Android

tell that to HTC and LG

They go away easy, that's why...

WP should have both the options- on screen and touch capacitive juust like oneplus

Yucks... That would be ugly

Ugly? Have you seen frst? You wont have both of them working.. One will be off.. :/

OnePlus implementation is actually good idea. As long as the capacitive buttons when turn off is invisible so the bezels will stay cleaner without the remnant if unused capacitive buttons. Personally, I'm actually undecided about that idea but interesting.

I don't like on screen buttons either! The fact that they sometimes disappear (e.g while viewing a movie or picture) and then you have to swipe up again to get it back. What I do like on WM above iOS is the universal back button, but if it isn't there all the time this advantage disappears (how can you go back from showing a video full screen?) and I would be better off with a fysical home button...

It would be nice if the had a physical home button on the back like the G4. Then the screen side could be free.

Then you guys will complain that it's a LG G4 clone.. Come on man..

I dont think there is a physical home button at the back of LG G4. Its a power/lock button with volume rocker.

On screen or physical at least it much better than annoying moveable button on iOS.

You can lock it from navigation bar settings so it won't hide again. It's simple.

I am more disappointed with 720p if you ask me than 210.. But then they are interrelated.. Maybe 750 comes with 615 and 1080p.. That WILL sell.. A configuration like Moto x play with same price range.. Lumia 750 should be like that..

There won't be a Lumia 750...

There has to be.. There will be...

Got cancelled. Sorry.

So after there any upcoming mid-range Lumia devices?

Cancelled mate...disappointing...i liked the 7xx series the most...maybe it will come back when Lumia gains traction...but in the short term, MS is pulling back and leaving the gap for other OEMs.

I think it's better for streamlining updates and squashing bugs. Then you won't end up with devices like the 810 that get completely and utterly forgotten by carriers and MS.

Where are these other oems people keep speaking of? No one gives a **** about windows on phones. Only a few companies released white label devices for the low end and since then it's all quiet. MS needs a quality mid-ranger

Sorry to say but 750 is cancelled

It's good thing that 750 got cancelled. There is a flaw in current design of 730 which if is again going to be in Lumia 750 then it will be unworthy.

So MS releases phones that have Continuum - type of a flagship phones for business users, and then these welfare models for developing countries? That pretty much excludes me from their user base :/

Perhaps Nadella delivers the promised flagship for fans.

Delivered*

Wen?

Where?

There's isn't a flagship for business. One flagship for fans (950), one phone for business (650) and one budget phone (550). That's it, not that hard. MS will be stepping back, as they promised. We just have to wait (and pray) so others OEM fill the gap (that's what they're expecting and only time will tell).

No.

Please, elaborate.

640 is not business phone. Unless 650 has something special, it will not be either. Apple likely says iPhones will do as business phone. Samsung likely says Note and S6 Edge will do as business phone. How does 650 compare to those? But then, we do not know how Microsoft defines target business for their business phone :)

Error. 635 was the most business phone used last year/this year, including my company. We deployed almost 40.000 Lumia 635 to our employees, because it has 4G and it's cheap. I think most of users misunderstand what a business phone actually means, do you think we're going to "buy" 40.000 iPhones? For what? To read e-mails and build a Excel file once a while? Maybe the Executive board demands iPhones, but that's it. Why on earth do you need "something special" on a business phone?

The business phone is Panos phone.

The next generation, probably yes. For this generation it's 650.

Why cant they align the **** Microsoft branding in line with the proximity sensor and front camera. The top bezel is hideously huge.

It is because these designs are scrapped nokia designs

Not this one i think...

How can it be scrapped if they are releasing it? You need to look up what "scrapped" means. 

That's the bad having a white or anything other than black bezel. It expose the sensors which are not meant to be seen. These sensors should've be invisible under the black bezels.
But yeah, the top bezel is weirdly large and asymmetrical.

Yeah... The most disgusting design ever. Microsoft keeps on releasing uglier and uglier phones. This one looks like some cheap Chinese ****.

Though this looks beautiful.. Hopefully this has the sensor core thing.. Or some hip factor.. You cant sell plain bland phone now a days.. Especially with negative coverage all around..

snapdragon 210 ? Meh.....

No.. It has sd410

Read the article man .. WC fans are such a mess...

@YashHarf, ignore Akssingh. It's apparent he/she has lost his/her glasses :P.

;) or lost his mind? :p jk

Not excited about it at all....currently own a Lumia 950 XL and LOVIN' it!

Then this article is not for you

Well...that does makes complete sense...

What's the point of a 5inch when you already have a 4.7 inch?

I have a l730 4.7", way more than perfect

you have a 4.7 inch? i'm so sorry to hear that ;)

Perhaps he needs some medication for that. ;P

If you have a battery lasting more than 4 hours...

Looool

LM F AO

Speak for yourself, but it's great to have a choice of a smaller phone. One of the things I don't like about the 640 is that it is 5". I adjusted of course, but I missed the small phone factor. 4" feels too small.

Why can't make a decent spec and price like the Android Moto G for example.. Posted via the Windows Central App by OnePlus One

^This.. MS is doing bad by not giving specs compared to android..

Decent spec devices are reserved for other OEMs... W10M is not just about Lumias anymore... Digest it

And other OEMs are...which other oems?

*Using binoculars.. Which OEM's?

release 650 sporting a less powerful SoC than 640 - okay MSFT... -.-

410 is less powerful?.. Go educate yourself..

He doesn't need to.. You just did.

Ewww...

Nice phone upgrade for my mom...

Meh phone is meh

Well, looks like they have given up any originality with the design. Daniel was right, this looks like the iPhone 5s. So sad.

Yup..nokia was best in the design business...now all the phones look the same -_-

Hahaha.. **** u.. This is a nokia designed phone.. 950 & 950xl too.. :D

At what point will that excuse expire? Next year? Although, I am sure if next year's phone is ugly it will be a Nokia design also. I bet you if the 950 was universally loved it would have been claimed as a Microsoft designed phone. 

iPhone designs are revolutionary right?.. :P now take this...

Nah, wouldn't call em revolutionary. They screwed up the camera so it's off kilter when placed flat. With bigger camera sensors and a thinner iPhone, that's a design language problem. Steve would be píssed.

So how is this a bad thing because as far as I know iphone sells. Dont you see where MS is going with this?