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A major outlet is ready to officially reveal the specs of the next Xbox, Project Scorpio (Update: Confirmed)

A major gaming outlet recently visited Microsoft to take a look at Project Scorpio's internals, ahead of a planned exclusive blowout of coverage.

Forza Motorsport 7 was utilized to showcase Scorpio's power, which we revealed recently has been planned for some time as a headline title to exemplify the power of the next Xbox.

Forza Motorsport 7 will reportedly hit a 4K resolution on Project Scorpio, and if our information is to be believed, it'll look truly stunning.

Update, April 4, 2017: It has now been confirmed that Digital Foundry will run an exclusive reveal on Eurogamer this Thursday, April 6, at 2 pm UK / 6 am Pacific.

Update, April 3rd, 2017: Just to clarify, we have no evidence that Forza Motorsport 7 itself will be revealed this week, only that Scorpio's internals have been examined with the view of preparing coverage. It seems more likely that Forza Motorsport 7 itself won't be the focus of any coverage this week, with the focus, instead, being on Project Scorpio and its technical details. Stay tuned for more information as we get it.

It looks as though Project Scorpio's specifications could be revealed as early as next week, potentially putting an end to long-standing debates over whether it would be using the latest Ryzen CPU tech from AMD, or something a little older. Specifically, we have heard Thursday could be the day all of this comes to pass, but take that with a pinch of salt for now.

It looks as though Project Scorpio's specifications could be revealed as early as next week.

Either way, Project Scorpio is slated to run at 6 teraflops (TF), putting it at a significant GPU advantage over the Xbox One, and its chief competitor, the 4.2 TF PlayStation 4 Pro.

Project Scorpio ditches the Xbox One's ESRAM, picking up 12GB of GDDR5 memory, vs. the Xbox One's 8GB DDR3 and 32MB of static ESRAM. Developers will still have to optimize against the Xbox One's ESRAM, however, as games are not allowed to be exclusive to Scorpio by policy. All titles arriving on Scorpio (save for VR) will also be available on Xbox One, albeit with lower resolutions.

We've also heard that Project Scorpio will sport an incredibly "compact" design, owing to advances in cooling. Considering Microsoft is known for cramming powerful hardware into small packages from its Intel-powered Surface tablets, it should come as no surprise that Microsoft is leveraging the full breadth of its industrial design team to make Scorpio as impressive as possible. For instance, we recently outed the fact that Scorpio will also sport an internal power supply, ditching the clunky power bricks of yesteryear.

If you're anxious to find out what's next in store for team Xbox, the wait is almost over. Until then, hit the link below for a collection of every scrap of information we've gathered on Project Scorpio so far. Oh, by the way, it's April 2nd where I am, so no, this isn't an April Fool's joke!

More: Everything we (think) we know about Project Scorpio

Jez Corden is a Senior Editor for Windows Central, focusing primarily on all things Xbox and gaming. Jez is known for breaking exclusive news and analysis as relates to the Microsoft ecosystem while being powered by caffeine. Follow on Twitter @JezCorden and listen to his Xbox Two podcast, all about, you guessed it, Xbox!

176 Comments
  • Very excited for this, E3, and a day one purchase
  • Indeed, I do hope they have a 'Day One' edition similar to the Xbox One along with 'Day One' goodies.
  • how much will it cost? Thats my main question i bet around 499USD or will they hit 599? :O the second question is, when will Sony realease its new console? Because Scorpion is too fast vs. Neo a.k.a. PRO so they will need to do something
  • I personally don't think they'll need to do anything this late in the generation. They have a two to one install base and are killing it with exclusives. Add in the fact that any exclusives Xbox gets will also be on PC and Scorpio being more for die hard Xbox fans without a PC and I doubt Sony is worried at all.
  • Agreed. Way to far ahead to care.
  • Theoretically, Microsoft no longer needs/has 'generations'. Therefore, Scorpio should span into the next, generation/iteration of, hardware. Hopefully, this will be better convergence with desktop.
  • But this thing says there's to be no scopio-specific games ala ps4 pro...so doesn't the buck stop with Xbox one games??? In other words, isn't that whole last console to last forever thing out the window now? Ya you can upgrade it endlessly, but at the end of the day, you're still capped at Xbox one games..
  • This generation is already too far along to have a 3rd hardware revision this soon. I think we can expect a cheaper slim eventually but no "Pro" Pro. This may work even better because it will mix up timelines for full console releases so that MS and Sony aren't trampling on each others toes and give consumers more of a reason to buy both I think
  • Frank Pik - Scorpio is basicallya new generation.  Its essentially the same 5x speed bump from the One, as the One was from the 360 (0.24tflops for the 360 to 1.3 for the One).
  • No i think your wrong. I expect uhd blu verson of the pro/neo with Sony ultra service and a premium box to match their ridiculous tvs. It'll be pro hardware with maybe more or faster ram. But they will "wait and see" how Scorpio does first. Ps4pro as is is only a half measure anyway....im not certain Sony plans the no generation thing Ms is doing..and that if true would be its downfall. At the launch of ps5 some day well know for sure.
  • What Day One goodies did you get other than a logo screenprinted onto the controller and an avatar thing?
  • *This isn't an April's. Missed the isn't ;) The Scorpio is shaping up to be quite appealing... What a pity the software experience has become utter sh*t in the last two major updates.
  • Does anyone else not like missing the preview tile of the last app that was running anymore? I was trying to close a game last night and couldn't even tell it was still running in the background.
  • That's exactly the thing that annoys me the most in the update. I had my cable box connected to the Xbox and several times I'd "minimise" the active tile to check the time or other info. Now not only I can't do that, I get no info whatsoever on the status of that tile, the f*cking ads are even bigger and the amount of wasted space grew even more. Then the Xbox app that had the ability to be used as a controler no longer has it. And then clicking the Xbox button not taking me immediately home but to that stupid side panel.   The people incharge of the Xbox UI are clueless on what they're doing and if they're using the "Beta testers" feedback for it, it's a good example of how terrible a job is done when you get a bunch of fanboys designing things for you.
  • Give feedback or upvote current feedback
  • Already did but as you might imagine, I don't have any faith that that pseudo-feedback works.
  • I'm totally sure it makes no difference.  If it did  that god-awful NXOE UI update would never have happened.
  • That definitely doesn't work for Windows mobile. Many heavily upvoted features or problems are ignored for months or years, even extremely basic ones, like blindly white background in quiet hours when phone is in dark mode, along with a hundred or more other things that would be easy to fix and the problem wasn't present in 8.1
  • Except with that live preview thing it's a laggy mess... You really don't even to know much about the app running..It's practically only 1 game can run at a time and maybe 1 or 2 apps alongside that.. You can always clock start on the app to see if it's open as well.. And the side panel is much better and quicker...Than going home... There is literally no reason to go home..It's much slower than just having the side panel...
  • That "stupid side panel" is the functional equivalent of the Xbox 360 Guide, which many of us missed terribly with the Xbox One. You can access it anywhere in game, instantly, with virtually all of the features that you used to have to go to the Home screen for.   
  • Yep. I hated it at first, but if you use it properly it's much better than returning to start/home screen.
  • Sounds like the only reason you're complaining is because things are a little different.
  • It's because they're different for the worse.
  • Go vote. Please. And please vote for Dolby vision support.
  • Not at the cost of resources. I  barely go home now with the new guide and only manual close a game if its frozen or glitched.
  • I think your resources comment just made the point of needing to see what is running in the background essential. I did like the fact that I could have an Edge in kind of a Windowed mode watching a video while looking at my home screen for things, but needing to see if a game that is online is closed and not using band with is a must for some. Hopefully it doesn't do this and I worried for nothing. I don't mind the new menu too much, though they should gave had the ability to double tap to go home and reversed the shortcuts instead of just taking one away.
  • I'll play devil's advocate here.  Let me start with your last comment.  I suspect that the reason that Microsoft didn't just switch the behaviors (double tap on Xbox button to go home) is that for any gamers already used to bringing up things like the game DVR controls with the double tap, it would now be bringing them home.  I think Microsoft really had to break this behavior.  Now, to go home it takes the following taps: "Xbox button" -> "A" -> "A" (or left thumbstic to the right in place of the 1st "A").  Takes relearning if you want to go home, but that's by far the less time sensitive act. Second, once you're home, I think you can use the usual controls to see recently running apps and quit them if necessary, more or less like before. A third thing.  In regards to snapping, I think Microsoft has really had to rethink this in the context of being able to bitstream audio to support object based audio systems like Atmos.  Currently, the main focus is on supporting Blu-Ray audio, but I believe these object based audio codecs are working their way into streaming video,and in the future games and eventually new broadcast TV standards.  The thing is that these object based audio streams need to be bitstreamed directly to audio receivers, and that's fundamentally incompatible with how the Xbox One used to work;  it used to have a sound mixer in settings (gone with latest update) where it would decode the game/app/blu-ray audio streams, mix them together, re-encode if necessary and then output the combined audio.  However, that doesn't appear possible with these advanced audio codecs.  At least I'm not aware of any devices of any sort that can decode, mix, and reencode true advanced audio.  I don't know if that's a hardware limitation or a licensing limitation.  But without the ability to do that, it really negates snapping, and also limits the applicability of the current overlay tech.  So I can see why at least some of that has gone away - at least for the time being.
  • Ah, your first point makes perfect sense why they couldn't do it. I can see it being more of a pain to those who already used the double tab function. Like I said, I don't mind the new shortcut that much, it will just take some getting used to. On the snapping point, I wasn't actually taking about snap mode. I was referring to the app showing its preview mode when it is still running in the background. In the case of a Edge video, this would still be playing as you scrolled through the rest of your home screen. Still not a big deal to not have it, I just liked having it. I would love to have something to show me all current running apps in the background, like when I hold the back button on my WP or do the function on PC to show Windows open.
  • I misunderstood about the preview window.  Yes, I'm not quite sure why that's gone.  In part it seems like they wanted to modify the presentation to show things related like the games hub.  But I wonder if it also has to do with similar issues to the snap situation.  I'm trying to remember now - the audio would keep playing for the previewed app, wouldn't it?  If so, it's like a special case of snap mode where the system would have to be able to mix the audio with other sources, even if it's just the system sounds as the selection box moves around. (I'm focused on this issue with bitstream audio because last year when it was first talked about, there was a discussion on one of the AV podcasts I listen to about it, and one host in particular picked up on the fact that it would potentially have wide ranging effects on how the Xbox would work since it wouldn't be able to mix audio when outputting the bitstream.)
  • After all that it's pointless cos the lag is terrible gets worded each alpha ring are kids making the updates
  • Just tap the guide button then double tap A. Super simple.
  • And super redundant.  Being forced to press 3 times instead of once is frustrating and just makes stuff more different and difficult compared to the home buttons of EVERY smartphone and tavblet out there, you know, the ubiqutious devices people use everyday. All it does is make it more difficult to activate the MAIN function of the guide button, you know, the think its used the most for.
  • Dude you're so upset over something so unbelievably trivial. If this upsets you this much, I don't think you should be playing video games in general. You might throw your controller at your TV
  • The main function for the guide button has always, since the inception of Xbox, been to open the guide.
  • It still does that. Just with a different button combination. Find something actually important to ***** about instead of a minor change on a gaming system.
  • Super simple to have to take 3 steps to get somewhere I used to take one step to reach? That means no sense. Also ,it's even more cumbersome for those of us who use the Xbox remote controller.
  • DUDE 3 steps compared to 1 is a matter of a fraction of a second! The fact that you fail to realize how little of a difference this makes is amazing to me. You're an idiot
  • And you're a moron who doesn't realise that when you make something fast slower it's the contrary of evolution.
  • Pressing the guide button and going home on accident when trying to double tap isn't faster by any means. They fixed an error in user input by INTENTIONALLY making it a little harder to go home, that way it didn't interrupt your game.
  • My biggest problem with the old behaviour was the guide button didn't take you home half the time, it just didn't respond and you had to press it again. At least the button brings up the guide immediately now
  • Agreed!
  • Not at all, it has really gotten faster, more fluid and more features are always good.
  • More features? I only see missing features in my use. Active live tile is gone.
    Snapping the TV to one side is gone.
    Clicking the Xbox button to go to Home is gone... With each update the Xbox loses more and more the TV integration part of it - which is what game it the advantage for me - and becomes only a gaming console. And if that's the path forward then I'd rather go back to the PlayStation because for gaming it's the better platform for me... Since that's where ALL of my friends are.
  • So let me get this straight.  The new push out menu is a bother.  But what does going home give you that it does't.  Press the "Home" button the menu still shows you immediately your most recent games/apps (like going home), easy access to get to your all your Apps/Games and the store (just like home screen), shows your top 8+pins plus access to the rest,  easier access (less clicks than the old way) to get to the Users Online, Friends, Groups,etc.. And all without having to leave the game/app you are in. Hey even gives you access to the home if you in need it.  As for snapping TV. Relax you will soon get a picture in picture option instead of snapping (thus allowing you place that TV box on any corner).
  • "you will soon get a picture in picture option instead of snapping" Not according to Mike Ybarra you're not.   Also, I used the Xbox mostly to watch TV and use Plex. Often I would watch TV, click home to check the time and controller battery life (the rare times I actually used the Elite Controller instead of the Xbox remote control) and then go back to the TV. All this whilst never needing to stop watching what I was watching. With that side bar not only I take 3 times to time to go Home, I also stop being able to watch anything since the bloody thing appears over the image.   So yeah. The side panel opening when one presses the Xbox button is a disaster and the removal of the Active tile and snapping makes the Xbox One unusable to me as a single solution for gaming and TV. Which is why I disconnected the cable Box from it and now seldom turn it on. It's now a dedicated UHD player and occasional gaming machine. And whenever Sony stops being an idiot and places a UHD player in their consoles (be it the PS4.1 or PS5 or whatever) I'll be going back. Because I literally have NO reason to stay with the Xbox anymore.
  • A leak by Microsoft ahead of E3 is actually a brilliant move. It pretty much guarantees that they dominate the news media between now and then.
  • Not really. They did that with the first Xbox One and all went to *******. I blame that idiot who's now working for zynga.
  • I think you're confusing the sneak peaks to the actual E3 reveal. That reveal was what sank the xbox one, with the TV, TV, TV, TV, TV, TV, TV, games TV, TV, TV, DRM thing, and sony capitalized on it amazingly.  TV.
  • They can't seriously stick with pre-Ryzen cores, can they? For starters, the arch was a giant failure, and its cat cores are part of why this fast hardware refresh is needed. That, and it is not a well-cooled arch, so it makes a lot of sense that Ryzen's vastly improved TDP would be present in a compact device. I don't see how a low profile cooler and a Bulldozer-based CPU run cool. On top of that, going with pre-Ryzen (Kaveri?) would mean a CPU bottleneck no one wants to see. A compromised console sold as the "premium" device would be met with a lot of negative press, I imagine. Personally, Ryzen 3 at the heart would be sensible. Though early announcements are always fun, this might be risky as well. If MS hasn't secured some magic, unknown games for E3, not having Scorpio to unveil could lead to a pretty light conference.
  • Or, they could leverage the increase in GPU power to accelerate the calculations and not need a faster CPU.
  • If it were as easy as just "oh, make the GPU do it," then PGU computing would be the default act of developers. It's not, and expecting them all to just jump at the first thing MS says is not rational.
  • It is not hard to put more of a games mechanics on the GPU... Almost all games are more dependant on the gpu than the cpu today and that will only continue, so the difference in getting a faster cpu is NOT the big differentiator here.
  • It's certainly not the end-all, be-all, but it will matter. Threading is becoming more and more heavily used in games as well, but it doesn't make it universal--plenty still have some struggles on Ryzen because it osn't clocked as high as Kaby Lake (or even Skylake). However, one thing that Ryzen tests sure showed is that onc you get up to 4K resolution, the strain is MUCH greater on the GPU than CPU, so that's obviously where the majority of the hardware commitment needs to be. I am really interested to see what the setup is on his console though. Does it have a dedicated graphics card? Is it a high-end Raven Ridge chip? Is it Excavator or Ryzen? Is it Polaris or Vega?
  • Of course, but what I am saying is a lower powered cpu will not hinder the gaming prowess of the machine.
  • Rather, it MIGHT not. It depends on how cut down that CPU is. Like I said, it SHOULDN'T be a problem for 4K gaming, but given how compromised the Xbox One hardware is (as evidenced by the development of Scorpio and presence of things like variable resolutions and unstable framerates on the current hardware), I'm not going to assume anything on the console hardware front. Really, I just hope they allow for internal drive swapping, SSD support, and don't sell it with a 5400 RPM laptop HDD like they sadly do with the XB1 and PS4.
  • And it needs a 4-6Tb option.  2tb like the top model One S simply is too small for serious gamers, espeially when 4K textures start being used (4 times the size of 1080 ones).
  • That's not exactly how textures work, you don't have "4k textures". Merely different sizes, generally in ratios of 2. So 1024x1024, 512x512, etc. You are right though, larger textures are going to take up more space.
  • Actually no, if you are into PC gaming at all you would know that they state on the box (or steam page) whether they are more CPU dependant or GPU dependant. We are on a time where physics processing is getting more and more advanced and this is a function that is handled by the CPU.
  • Physics can be handled by the GPU as well, if the programmers choose to support it. Remember when NVIDIA bought PhysX? The PS3 also (kind of had to) use its SPUs for physics processing, which are closer to GPUs in many ways than CPUs.
  • Doesn't change the fact that there are PC games that focus more on CPU grunt than GPU grunt, depending on the game.
  • Another article on this site states that Scorpio is capable of streaming 4K/60fps gameplay, playing a game while streaming in 4K is heavy on the CPU, that's something the Jaguar CPU won't manage. I'm sure it's going to be Ryzen, but obviously we only know for certain when the Scorpio specs are revealed.
  • I read 4K DVR. That's not the same as 4K streaming.
  • You should learn how to read. 4K streaming is mentioned in the article, more than once.
  • AMD and Microsoft have worked together to create custom Ryzen,Vega silicon.
  • Source?
  • Damn! this is as solid as my ****!
  • It would explain the use of Vega and Ryse and the incredibly compact design, since Vega is also about to be fully revealed next week, very soon...
    I mean Scorpio needs to carry those new tech to be atractive in the long run. Im gonna buy it since it comes with Ryse and Vega, if not... not sure.
  • The Scorpio comes with a 4 year old game Ryse?  Cool!  But, I believe you mean Ryzen a CPU from AMD. not Ryse a game from Crytek
  • Hyyyyyype
  • So, maybe they are lastly thinking about VR for it, hopefully Oculus Rift compatible.
  • Hopefully Vive compatible you mean
  • i agree but MS 5% of FB shares though, so they will either support their own windows VR or oculus. vive is the superior device though I look forword to software supporting the new trrackers and the release of the wireless batteries.
  • This would make sense but I think they'd go with what offers the best experience. Wouldn't be the first time
  • How about Microsoft just allows all devices supporting their open VR/AR API and perhaps both HTC and Oculus can get tickets to the Scorpio VR ball.
  • The only reasons why I think that won't happen is because the Vive and Touch controllers are different and Vive allows a much better roomscale experience if they want to push that.
  • I would hope that the vr is built from it's holographic framework thus making it compatible with several vr headsets. But we shall see.
  • Can't wait to hear more!
  • Well ****
  • Who cares? They will start selling PS4/PS4 Pro next year. :-D
  • Haha PS won't support Windows so no way MS will sell PS.. MS started selling S8 because MS is all about software.. Preloaded Office, Cortana, Outlook amd many more helps MS too.. So why not market S8 in MS stores.
  • What people don't seem to understand is that getting more users into the services will help all of Microsofts platforms...
  • Excited. Might ditch my Pro for Scorpio. Tired of Sony faulty hardwares and buggy updates with unstable services. If u own a PS u know what am talking about. Deny it n you're just a fanboy.
  • I've never had an issue with my PS4, I don't use it anywhere near as much as my One though.
  • Yeah my launch PS4 had a severe hard drive problem but I ended up getting a Slim version later on the line.
  • I've owned every single PlayStation apart from the PS4. I never had a single issue with their hardware OR with their updates.   I've had to exchange my GoW Edition Xbox One S because of a faulty fan though. And Microsoft's software updates have continuously ruined the Xbox experience. So, yeah...if you think Sony is bad...switch to Xbox. You'll regret it. I know I did.   The only thing the Xbox One S has good is the UHD player. That's it.
  • So you don't own every PS. And yes the Xbox One has the better track record. I switched from PS to Xbox One.
  • Don't you understand what "apart" means? No, if course you don't.
  • You must be the only person who has these problems, I'm in the insider preview program, and I should be have more problem then you.
  • never had any problems with SONY products just look at the statistics, the PS4 had the lowest HW failures in the history
  • Some of my friends have gone through three or four controllers.
  • I've gone through two One controllers? What's your point? If you use a controller enough it's going to fail, it's the nature of it.
  • I had many problems with Sony products and have family and friends that's had problems too. But I will say I haven't had any trouble with my Sony Walkman from 2001, heck I just pop in 2 double A's and it's works like A charm.
  • Yeah, and all the controller problems... Yuck.
  • I may favor my Xbox over my Ps4 but, Sony does put together a great product and has some great games.  You just had a bad experience that a minority of a minority of users have the displeasure of experiencing.  It is like you are ignoring the issues the Xbox One has in it's three year lifespan.  No device goes unscathed.
  • Do ya'll think we will be able to preorder upon its announcement? what about avaliability, do you think it will be difficult to get ahold of?  
  • Microsoft has always had the quantity to satisfy demand on day one to my recollection. I've never had to wait anyway. The only real issue I can see is that it's being released during the holidays, might be a hot Christmas item... But the fact it's really only for 4k & hdr geeks, I can't see this being anywhere near the issue similar to Nintendo's newest console.
  • That website got a hell of a scoop! Incidentally, on YouTube, I see a ton of channels that reference this site for the Scorpio stuff. Some crazy view numbers too. Do you guys consider doing more on YouTube?
  • Wish I had time buddy
  • Last console I had was a PS2 - Will wait till this is out and get a 4K LG 65 OLED.
  • Can't wait for people to buy Scorpio en mass, now that it will be faster than the PS4 Pro.
  • Highly doubt that will happen. For two reasons: 1 - The Scorpio will NOT be cheap. The "Pro" costs 400€. The Scorpio will cost more than that. 2 - The majority of people around the world prefer the PlayStation (57%). Those people are in the Sony ecosystem and won't likely change to the Scorpio.
  • Preferences change with each generation. Like we all know.
  • preferences change based on released exclusive games without good AAA game titles the Scorpion itself cant win
  • hmm let's see. PS1 PS2 Wii PS4 I think PS has been consistent. We don't even know if this is a new generation... PS4 is still current gen. If this is a new gen for XB then I would say it's really bad from MS...
  • Yes, we do. It is not a new console generation.  Like Sony has said form the very beginning with their own PS4 Pro,  Phil (Microsoft) has also reiterated so many times my head hurts, the Scorpio is a Premium device and part of the current generation of consoles.  So, if a PS4 Pro is still accepted as this generation (with it's  more memory, faster CPU, 2.5 times the graphics processing, etc..) than just because the Scorpio just ups the ante even more than the PS4 Pro doesn't make any more next gen (whatever that means now). 
  • thats just marketing... next generation.. what do you mean? Whats the next big thing if not 4K? Scorpio is the "next gen" capalbe of 4K/stable FPS and Sony will do the same... the question is when? or Sony will lower the price of the PRO/Slim, add some exclusive titles and wait until 2019/20 for a newer HW?!
  • Generation also usually implies a different enough architecture that backwards compatibility is either not there or done via emlation of some sort. Given that Scorpio is 100% compatible both forwards and backwards, I would not call it a new "generation"
  • @Pappale: "next generation" isn't really just marketing. with all games required to be playable on the xbox one (aside from VR), i''d be hard pressed to call this next gen. and 2019/2020 is probably a good prediction of next gen. ~6 years between ps1 & ps2, ~6 years between ps2 & ps3, and ~7 years between ps3 and ps4. PS4 came out in 2013.
  • I was replying to that guy Hoekie. He was the one who said "Preferences change with each generation."
  • What about PS3?
  • @ B A Bostwick I'm not too sure if that was meant for me but if it was, what about PS3?
  • 3 - PS4 has more games, way more exclusive and upcoming exclusives announced. 4 - More diversity in games
  • Does it? And no, the diversity in the Xbox 360+ XO is a lot bigger.
  • Yes, more games, more exclusives and more upcoming exclusive announced. lol you're counting X360 games? I guess we should count PS Now games with PS4... About diversity I was specifically talking about current gen games PS4 vs XB1. You seem to think adding the bc (mostly arcade) games the XB1/360 has more diversity. Can you prove it or did you just make it up?
  • Parappa the Rappa, oh WOW!
  • more Japanese RPGs? Sure How's the RTS games on PS4? How's the killer 1st person shooter exclusive on PS4? Hows the big 3rd person shooter eclusive on PS4?  How's the MMO exclusive on PS4?   Oh wait, another 3rd party adventure game on PS4, great.  So much diversity.   In the last 16 months you had...a 3rd person action adventure game, a platformer, a 3rd person shooter, a racing game, a hack and slash, a fighting game. This year you will have a RTS, a co-op survivor game, a Pirate themed MMO game, a industry leading racing game, and a 3rd person shooter, and potentially another announced game.  All on the XB1.  You also have a city building game coming out. That's not diverse for you?  If you want to JRPGs, then yes go get a PS4.   Both platforms have their exclusives, and each diverse and tailor to their audience.  Look at it objectively, and tell me XBOX doesn't have diversity.
  • "How's the RTS games on PS4? How's the killer 1st person shooter exclusive on PS4? Hows the big 3rd person shooter eclusive on PS4?  How's the MMO exclusive on PS4?"
    Wait. So you want to judge diversity by talking about exclusive games?  The XB1 has 4 AAA exclusive. 2 racing games, 1 FPS and 1 open world third-person shooter. In terms of AAA exclusive the PS4 had 1 FPS, 2 platformers, 1 racing game, 1 open world action-adventure, 1 action-adventure 3rd person shooter, 2 Action RPG, 1 interactive survival horror, 3 action-adventure, 1 Sports and 1 open-world action RPG. Really there is no comparison here... I never said XB1 doesn't have diversity. I'm saying it has less that's all.
     
  • Well if you count PSNow does that mean that with the announcement that first party PS4 will start being available to the service sometime after their release (a year or so)  and that given you can play PSNow on Windows there  really are no exclusives for that console as well. I guess you can call it their form of delayed PlayAnywhere (but have to pay again to do so) service.  Perhaps we can just say they are timed exclusives rather than PS4 only exclusives. 
  • "you can play PSNow on Windows there  really are no exclusives for that console as well. I guess you can call it their form of delayed PlayAnywhere (but have to pay again to do so) service.  Perhaps we can just say they are timed exclusives rather than PS4 only exclusives."
    I don't know what this has to do with what was being discussed.
    But no we can't say that because they are not timed exclusives until it's officially announced they remain PS4 exclusives.   But again, you're totally off topic, so I'll leave it there.
  • Well of cousre it will start out high b/c there are obviously people out there that will buy it at maximum retail when it first comes out, while the smarter ones wait 6 months or so for the price drop!  I'm happy as anyone else is for Scorpio, but if X1 will still have all the same games there should be no urge to splurge if you already own the X1, right?  Just wait for it to come down in price, then go for it!
  • Problem is it will be a lot longer than 6 months before it drops in price.  Thinking otherwise is wishful thinking. Premium devices like the Elite controller didn't see any speical price change off list for a year and that was rare sighting even then and still is . And now at 18 months you can find places like Amazon that will sell it for a few bucks off but no big drop.  Expect the same here for a Premium device like the Scorpio. More likely you will see the Xbox One S drop over the next year.  If this new  console is a loss leader you are definitely going to have a longer wait and Microsoft knowing that this device is for particular set of gamers will keep an extermely tight control on inventory and not flood the market like PS4 and Xbox One S. Besides, if you are looking forward to 4K gaming why would you spend $60 for a 4K enabled game like COD 2017, Red Dead Redemption 2, Forza 7, Battlefront 2, etc... and worry about saving a few bucks much later on a device.  Seems silly.  Now if you aren't into 4K or hving higher quality 1080 games than waiting a year shouldn't be a problem.
  • 1.   $499 or 467€​ is expected.  It true that is not that big of a price jump, especially for all around bump in the power and a 4KUHD drive included. 2. The majority of people are in the Windows ecosystem (which includes Xbox). 56 million PS4 vs over 460 million Windows 10 devices + 28 million Xbox Ones. Many of the current PS4 had a Xbox 360 (something like 35% current PS4 owners only owned a 360 last time).  So the jump to a Xbox if 4K interests you (especially if you a one of those 35% with BC involved). Not to mention the ease of getting 100+ game catalog with the new Gamers Pass subscription. Speaking for my own personal experience I know of at least 3 PS4 only guys (never owned any Xbox consoles)  excited to get their hands on a Scorpio (that is if it lives up to its promises)  
  • 1 - The Scorpio will NOT cost less than 500€. Don't ilude yourself. 2 - People buy what their friends buy. In Europe for example the PlayStation holds easy more than half the market share. Windows 10 will NOT change that. And neither will be Scorpio. Games will continue to be the differentiation factor and Sony will continue to have the more appealing catalog of exclusives.
  • 1. €467 what? Why that exact amount? Anyway when it comes to 4KUHD drive there is a much cheaper option available it's the XB1s. And for people whose priority was that they probably got it. Same thing with power. People, who feels that power is the most important factor probably already have a PC that's more powerful than the scorpio. For people like me who thinks that games is the most important factor, a scorpio is useless because most XB1 games are on platform I already own. 
    Plus we got to consider that there aren't that many 4K TV owners yet who would be interested in this... 
    Most of the people  I've seen in the forums and news article who are hyped for this are MS/XB fans or people who already own one or more XB1s.  2. Bringing the age old "n million Windows + x million Xbox" argument? You got to remember that the million windows users are not all gamers. Most aren't going to go buy a scorpio.
    Of the XB1 owners, the XB/MS fans are probably all going to go for this no matter what the price is or even if they have a 4K TV... But I doubt the other more casual or non-fans who already owns a XB1 will buy a platform that can play ALL the games that scorpio can play.
  • -DJCBS- Sony ecosystem, LOL. There is no "Sony ecosystem". When PS5 is released the PS4 won't be forward compatible, Sony will have to build their Playstation install base up from 0 again. Unlike Microsoft who owns Windows10.  When Microsoft releases Scorpio2 it will be part of the Scorpio1 and PC install base, people don't understand how big of an advantage Microsoft will have because of this. Developers want big install bases to develop for, it gives them confidence to start big expensive projects. Because Scorpio is nextgen hardware, Microsoft will build their nextgen install base from this year on while Sony probably won't for the next two/three years because it will be the end of their o so successful PS4 install base.  You are very ignorant if you believe this is the time to downplay Microsoft, they have with Windows10 something no other gaming company has. It's unlikely Windows10 will fail in gaming.
  • Yeah because I'm going to be so excited that my Maps app is cross platform with the next game console from Microsoft, oh boy!
  • I know it's not like developers can build UWP games that will miraculously work flawlessly on all devices without having to optimize the game for the specific device, I didn't mention UWP, but it's easier for game-developers to target multiple devices that run the same kernel. The advantage Microsoft has over Sony is that their nextgen install base will grow from this year up while Sony needs to get their **** together to be able to bring the PS5 in a couple of years. If Sony could they would have launched a PS5 this year but instead they chose to launch a PS4Pro last year. It's an advantage Microsoft has over Sony, not a weakness.
  • Don't be daft.
    The PlayStation ecosystem is the PlayStation as a console and its services. And you have no clue what Sony will do on the PS5 so perhaps stop dreaming. Yes, Microsoft has Windows 10. Except no one buys consoles because of their operating system. They buy because of the games and what their do friends have. Stop being a blind fanboy.
  • I know Sony launched another PS4 last year and they call it PS4 Pro instead of a PS5 this year, I don't need to know more. They weren't able to launch a PS5 with a new CPU this year, backward and forward compatibility is a pickle for them it seems.
  • What you said just confirms that I don't need XB consoles, I don't need Scopio.  All I need is a PC to buy and play PC/XB games, PS4/PS5... to buy or play PS games and WiiU/Switch to play Nintendo games...  
  • If you buy Microsoft exclusives on PC they benefit from that. Microsoft wants you to stay in their ecosystem, in the end that's what matters to them the most. There are a lot of consumers that couldn't care less about PC's, those are the ones that might be interested in a Scorpio.
  • Well, I'm a gamer and a consumer. I don't care who gets my money. I really don't care about brand and company, personally I won't create an user name that can be perceived as promoting a brand or product. I'm talking about a product. This is a topic about a product about scorpio not much about what a company makes.  I think most of the people who'll be interested in Scorpio are 1) XB/MS fans who already own one or more XB1, 2) hardcore console-only gamers whose priority his power/specs who already owns a 4K TV. Like I said most people I see in forums and discussions that are hyped about this are MS/XB fans or people already owning a XB1. I don't see others needing or buying this new system? 
  • I'm sorry if my username hurts your feelings but I have a Switch and a PS4, at the end of this year I will buy a Scorpio too. It's simple, I have a 4K TV and the PS4 Pro doesn't do it for me so I'll be playing my multiplats and Microsoft exclusives on Scorpio and the PS4 stays for its exclusives. Gamers who have or are about to buy a 4K TV are potential Scorpio buyers, not only MS/Xbox fans.
  • Ideally, the reveal would be done by a technical oriented site. More likely, it will be in an enthusiastic press site where editors will be drooling after whatever Microsoft show them without the critical point of view needed to really inform the readers.
  • The readers need to know at what resolution their games will be rendered at (roughly) and the software surrounding the new console. They don't *need* to know what manufacturer of GDDR5(X) chips are on the GPU or really what processing power it has in floating point ops/interval. Specs are usually meaningless when games are optimized to play well for the platform.
  • I agree that most customers don't need to know the technical specs of their eletronics appliances. However, Scorpio is aimed first to the graphic oriented crowd, which Microsoft believes will be the first adopters. These guys appreciate to know those specs and, if they are impressive as I believe they are, Microsoft should release them as early as they can.
  • those guys need will be fighting in the comment section. The main question will be 60FPS stable or not... do i need more?
  • Well than you can skitp this event.  It is pure tech and apparently (according to other Microsoft insiders) not all the Scorpio tech will be revealed.  E3 is more for those wanting " hey here is the packaging and pretty graphics at xFPS without all the tech jargon every other word."  Digital Foundry is not going to be worrying about the regular customer when they do their (whatever specs) reveal they are doing.
  • Boy, were you ever wrong. They chose a Sony fanboy site and took the matter head on. Making a mental note: Ron-F talks out of his back side.
  • I'm not a fan of the internal power supply since it's after the APU the hottest part in the console.
  • For most people it is not a big deal as well. However, when reviews look at the original boxy Xbox One and compared it to their competitor that was more compact with the power supply intenrally  it was noted by reviewers/people as to a possible bad narrative of the engineering of the Xbox itself.  We know the suits rushed the engineers to get the Xbox One out an year early then planned but, it still it was not a good look.   I know the engineers under Panos have had plenty of time (as they did with Xbox One S) to get this one right. So if there is a brick on the outside the device itself doing so will reflect that in how small it is not just some fear from the past of it overheating and playing it safe. 
  • I have my doubts about the Scorpio having Zen arch... Ryzen was only launched Q1/17 and dev kits have been in developers' hands for well over a year at a guess; unless they had like for like performance chips internally then you'd probably see older chips. Nintendo was ridiculed for having 12 month old hardware in their Switch but dev kits must reflect what consumers will buy (else what's the point?)
  • That isn't exactly how early developer kits work for any console.  Both Microsoft and Sony release kits early that will run at relatively similar specs as planned not the expected SOC. Since the final spec are not really known for a device until 4-5 months out (when production begins) Early released devkits are more bout getting the API and other programming containtments ironed iron than having an exact copy of the device.   Kits are usually under powered PC equivlants devices. In fact, current developer kits (that were released recently) are still under powered compared to the final kit. And they will not be bumped to final specs until May/June. 
  • The alpha Xbox360 dev kit was an Apple Power Mac tower with an ATI graphics card. Not what I'd call an exact reflection of the final hardware.
  • I'm very hyped about the new console. Cant wait for revival, but I dont buy it until Microsoft don't come up with something new & good ip. I'm only interested in the current line up is state of decay 2
  • Awesome! I've already got my funds ready to pre-order this beast ASAP! Can't wait to find out more and see it finally. These last few articles have got my hype levels through the roof!
  • I think Scorpio and Oculus would be a great VR combo
  • Scorpulus Rift
  • Can't wait to see what's coming 😊 wonder whether Panos Panay and his team are somehow involved in the hardware part...
  • Panos in in charge of all hardware engineering at Microsoft. . So he and one of his teams are integrally involved with the box.  In fact, Phil mentoned previously Panos and the team that designed the Xbox Ones S are the same ones designing the Xbox Scorpio.
  • I want to drop out of school too!!!! Because if you turned out ok, why can't I??? Thanks for the encouragement. Who needs school anyways?? School for fools!!!!! Look at you! At least I finished grade 8. At least I can read subtitles on games. And at least I'll be a freelance writer who can encourage others that education comes from video games and that even though I can't tell you where New Jersey is on a map, I can find every mission on the Just Cause3 map!!! Thanks for allowing me to use you as a excuse to stop excelling at school and play Xbox all day. Your the best.
  • What?
  • Seams trolly
  • You need to go back to school to learn how to troll better.
  • Cool. I should start saving 2 years ago.
  • I still have my Day One Xbox One but looking forward to upgrading to A Day One Scorpio.
  • HoloLens and Xbox Scorpio would look together hopefully by end of next year we could see that become a reality
  • Hololens isn't really meant for gaming. One of the other Windows Holographic headsets (that isn't see-through) would probably be better.
  • a statement somewhere i can't remember stated that microsoft is going to eventually hook the hololens to the xbox once it becomes consumer ready. it could be a huge selling factor for the xbox including having windows phone serving as a somewhat nintendo switch or ds type device connected to the xbox for joint or extended play away from the box
  • The HoloLens is a stand alone device. No need for a XBox or PC.
  • And why would that be?  Didn't you see the demos of Minecraft and that shooting game with the aliens busting through the wall.  There's potential there to use your environment as the location for games.
  • All this is good, but what I want from MS is to fix the XBox Live achievements, because they're all over the place now. Some show up in the W10 app, while others don't. Some others just show up on the W10M XBox app, but others don't. And again, the same is true for the iOS XBox app, and even xbox.com... And some games show up two or three times (like asphalt 8). One with all my achievements, one with no achivements available for it at all, and maybe an extra one too. I don't even know which I already completed, and which I didn't. And don't even get me started on WP8 games, like NFS Hot Pursuit, that don't show up at all, but I get a notification when I earn them. Is anyone else experiencing the same, or am I the only one in this? 😕
  • Iam a ps4 owner but iam looking forward to see the scorpio design😄
  • I have two xb1 and a ps4 pro. Will have this as well and probably dump an xb1. Or keep it and put it in another room.
  • Thanks, this is good news for me. I've been waiting for detailed specifications because I'm in the process of planning to buy an adequate 4K HDR LCD. I hope Microsoft publishes a list of 4K HDR TVs and monitors adequate for FPS games on Scorpio.
  • Wait for OLED prices to drop later this year. You're gonna kick yourself if you jump on a 4K LCD right now
  • You're correct about the prices but I'm not in the market for something that big or expensive. It will be primarily for gaming and subbing as an extra TV. I've set the size to 40/43 inches and OLED don't come that small at the moment. My main TV is a 50" Panasonic Plasma and there's no need to replace it yet. Someday it will be replaced by a large OLED.
  • I better be able to trade in my Xbox One for Scorpio for a significant price. -_-
  • Take it up with GameStop or eBay. I don't see how Microsoft owes you a trade-in
  • Another someone owes me kid. More entitled people.
  • I know EB Games over here will do this, and I'm likely going to take them up on that.
  • Sell it on Craigslist or 5 mile, because when it comes I doubt if your going to get anything close to what you would pay brand new, especially if your selling to game stop.
  • OH-MY-SWEET-JESUS!! 😱
  • Letting the people that are the most critical about Hardware be the first? That's bold. MS must be really confident in their product .
  • i agree, microsoft must be really confident about the capabilities of project scorpio to allow a site like DF ( who are quite sony centric IMO ) to reveal its full specs, this is getting really exciting!! roll on 2pm thursday.
  • Yep. I can't wait for Thursday to get here. All speculation will end. The naysayers will be silenced and the overzealous fanboys , who think they know everything will be corrected. And all will be well with the universe.