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Microsoft draws fire over dancers at Xbox GDC party [Updated]

Microsoft is facing backlash over its Xbox party at GDC 2016, which featured scantily-clad women dancing around the party venue. Several attendees spoke up, saying that they felt uncomfortable and unwelcome because of the display. Xbox head Phil Spencer later commented on the party and the criticism, saying that the party wasn't consistent with Microsoft's values.

From The Verge:

At Xbox-hosted events at GDC this past week, we represented Xbox and Microsoft in a way that was not consistent or aligned to our values. It was unequivocally wrong and will not be tolerated. I know we disappointed many people and I'm personally committed to holding ourselves to higher standards. We must ensure that diversity and inclusion are central to our everyday business and core values. We will do better in the future.

According to Business Insider, Microsoft employees, including Xbox Marketing head Aaron Greenberg, will be looking into how the event was organized.

Update: Spencer also sent an email to employees regarding the party:

How we show up as an organization is incredibly important to me. We want to build and reflect the culture of team Xbox - internally and externally - a culture that each one of us can represent with pride. An inclusive culture has a direct impact on the products and services we deliver and the perception consumers have of the Xbox brand and our company, as a whole.It has come to my attention that at Xbox-hosted events at GDC this past week, we represented Xbox and Microsoft in a way that was absolutely not consistent or aligned to our values. That was unequivocally wrong and will not be tolerated. This matter is being handled internally, but let me be very clear - how we represent ourselves as individuals, who we hire and partner with and how we engage with others is a direct reflection of our brand and what we stand for. When we do the opposite, and create an environment that alienates or offends any group, we justly deserve the criticism.It's unfortunate that such events could take place in a week where we worked so hard to engage the many different gaming communities in the exact opposite way. I am personally committed to ensuring that diversity and inclusion is central to our everyday business and our core values as a team – inside and outside the company. We need to hold ourselves to higher standards and we will do better in the future.

315 Comments
  • I see no problem here. Posted from down vote central.
  • They're supposed to be a professional business. That's the problem. Sent from Narnia
  • I commend them for allowing women to empower themselves Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • You mean the same businessmen who may all go to a strip club for drinks and discuss the nation's future lolz.
  • They can also be businesswomen and the strippers can be male. It's not 1970s anymore.
  • Where were the complaints at E3,Comic Con and so many other conventions? Boothbabes and dancers are nothing new. But nope only Microsoft gets **** on for it.
  • People have complained about booth babes/dancers at all kinds of events. There have been many controversies of this nature in the past, though we don't usually report on them because we're a Microsoft-focused site. A big difference between comic con and something like a GDC party though is that one is an industry event that is not open to the public. Everyone attending the event is a professional, and pretty much all of us expect a professional environment to be maintained during the event and associated networking parties.
  • Yeah, Make it completely professional and this story would be talking about the same people complaining about how boring the event was and how they didn't feel that they were welcomed because it was sooooooo boring...lol Unless, sex was being propositioned, or strippers were talking their clothing off.  These people need to get over themselves.  Professional my ASS!  I have a lot of so-call professionals working for my company, but you should see them when they think no one is listening or watching... Such hypocricy.
  • You didn't mention any examples of hypocrisy. I don't even know what you're talking about.
  • Booth babes have been a massive issue over the last few years. Most E3 booths have now gotten rid of them.
  • A world of prudes we are in. Nobody can just have a good time anymore. Everyone is offended by everything. Stop inviting old people to these events.
  • I highly doubt its the old people. Probably millennials. We're known for being little ******* about everything
  • So true x.x
  • I'm a millennial. I can confirm this.
  • Unfortunately you're so right Posted via the Windows Central App for Symbian
  • Im an older millennial, I still love chicks dancing around in barley nothing. What happened to you young go hards?
  • There's a time and place for everything. Furthermore, not everybody spends their time going to strip clubs (guys included), and it doesn't make them a killjoy if they don't.
     
  • Just wow
  • LOL, what a joke of a controversy.
  • It's a good thing Cortana herself didn't show up.
  • I don't quite understand. What does diversity and inclusion have to do with this?
  • They're just the latest politically correct buzzwords.
  • Do keep up! It's all about intersectional feminism these days. Because the plight of a Western woman making decent money as a dancer is so much worse than that of one owned as property without any rights, with her genital brutally mutilated.
  • "intersectional feminism" -- is that like when a magician saws his female assistant in half? Hahaha.
  • Has to be a Lesbian assistant of color though.
  • Lesbians are so old. It's all about the trannies now...
  • Meanwhile, those same hypocritical feminists in the U.S. have no qualms about mutilating the genitals of infant boys, label it with the euphemism "circumcision", and actively promote the double standard.
  • Hey, if you love cleaning that thing out all the time, more power to you. As for me, I'm glad to have it out of there. So calling it mutilation is definitely subjective.
  • you would have got in less trouble as a kid though...
  • You have to say that as you didn't have a choice in the matter. People shouldn't have the right to mutilate another person without their permission, or a medical condition requiring it. Give people the choice over what is essentially cosmetic surgery, with negligible medical benefits (as agreed by the majority of medical boards around the world)
  • 1. It is essentially reversible through non-surgical methods. Look up foreskin restoration.
    2. Negligible medical benefits are NOT agreed upon by the majority of medical boards around the world. It can prevent yeast infection, phimosis, and urinary tract infection. Those are the PROVEN benefits. However, I will agree with you that cancer prevention, reduced risk of HIV, and other such benefits are definitely shaky science.
    Not sure why this is being discussed here, but someone had to go there.
  • 1. It is not reversible. Foreskin restoration does not bring back the ridged band, frenulum, inner foreskin and thousands of lost nerve endings--never mind the stupidity of arguing that a victim's plight is trivial just because he can spend 5-10 years painfully trying to get back what was stolen from him without his consent.
    2. Those "proven" benefits aren't actually proven, but more importantly, they are rare conditions that are easily treatable with non-surgical means. There is no justification for pre-emptive, routinized, surgical removal of functional tissue from infant boys' genitals.
  • 1. It doesn't take 5-10 years. Not sure where you got your research from, but most restoration support groups say 2 years.
    2. Yes, yeast infections and UTI are treatable by non-surgical means, but that wasn't the point. Also, I've done the research as a person considering restoration, and have decided I'm perfectly happy with my current condition. I suppose next you'll be complaining about how they didn't leave enough umbilical cord for you to be an "outie". I mean, how could they cut all of that off and leave you no choice?
  • Additionally, I'll admit I see benefits to either side, but again, I've chosen to remain as is.
  • It is by definition mutilation. However, this particular form of mutilation is socially acceptable.
  • Why in the world did you bring that up?
  • That's exactly what I was thinking.  It sounds like they got their canned apology template mixed up.
  • Apparently someone needs to retake that diversity and inclusion training survey they took last year at work. ;-) Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • Because it frames women as good for showing skin and dancing, while the dudes do the programming and watch said girls. Even if you were to argue that dancers were an indispensable aspect of the party, the diverse and inclusive way of doing it would have been to have semi-nude dudes dancing too. This kind of environment isn't welcoming to women at all, and is just one of many, many, many factors that push them out of the tech sector.
  • Fat bespectacled male coders dancing, bleahh!!!
  • I guess I can see where you're coming from but, to be honest, I think scantily clad dudes would be even creepier in that sort of club environment. :-/
  • Exactly. Imagine how creeped out you would be going to a party where the only dancers were jacked, oiled-up dudes in speedos, and you'll get an idea how women feel in these situations. You probably wouldn't go to that party, but if that party is your whole industry, then you're shooting yourself in the professional foot by skipping out.
  • But not all women necessarily feel that way. I'm female and I ignore scantily clad women. It might be because I'm in Florida and there are a lot of them them roaming about (the current style is to have ones butt cheeks hanging out of the bottom of ones skirt/shorts). That said, I think this was more a case of being unprofessional and tacky than a matter of diversity.
  • Doesn't having lady dancers everywhere send the signal that "this is a club for boys"? I mean, you could put the asterix on there to say "and the women who are able to ignore or even enjoy it", but I imagine that's a small asterix.
  • "That said, I think this was more a case of being unprofessional and tacky than a matter of diversity."
    It was definitely the first part. The diversity issue comes up with the whole gamergate and industry issues with sexism. It's context. It's like having a gun-toting party after a mass shooting. It's just a dumb move. You can argue about your gun rights, etc. but everyone is just going to think you're an insensitive asshole. Same thing here, lol.
  • That makes more sense. When looked at from the standpoint of "it wasn't the time or the place" I can see where the issue of inclusion would come up even though just thinking about Gamergate makes me cringe in embarrassment for both sides of the issue. There was a whole lot of stupid being thrown around then.
  • I also don't see the Verge complaining about Apple's keynote is nothing but White cisgenders with white privelege! Funny how they're attacking MS despite all the diversity changes they made while Apple is okay with all old white people......
  • YES! Male candy may have helped to avoid this controversy... I would like a video of the party tho... Sometimes thong grow out of proportion, it's true. I think I killed grammar, sorry for my English. I rewrote the first sentence like five times... Still not sure if it's correct lol.
  • And now that I've actually seen the photos that MSPowerUser posted, yeah, as much of an Xbox fan as I am and regardless of my own orientation, I would probably not have wanted to stay at the party. While this sort of thing may be acceptable at some random social party, it's not appropriate in the least at a corporate-sponsored event. Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • Except this is a typical thing in Europe nothing new move on
  • Ok, you're making some politically incorrect assumptions. First, that only men and all men are attracted to scantily clad women, that the dancers were themselves heterosexual, and that all the programmers are male. Fun with political correctness! I love it!!!
  • Let's say they hold the event in a location that is totally feminine. Tell whoever male would not attend because of that.
  • Nothing, given they're saying "inclusion, dress code required."
  • WIll its a club and they hired go go dancers......People getting butt hurt over this, need to get out more.
  • The geniuses commenting in this thread really seem like the ones who are butt hurt. We don't care if you like to go see go go dancers, if you need to pay to see women undressing in front of you, that's your problem. This, however, was happening in an event representing a major IT company, not some 13yo ********* who's excited to see ******* bouncing.
  • It's a freaking club and after party....Where you know.... You see go go dancers, paid acts,etc. LMAO, but hey keep on assuming stuff to defend or attack to get your point across.
  • No, it was an event put on by Microsoft for attendees at GDC. Not some private club. Microsoft (or whoever organized it) should have known this would look very bad in light of the gamergate issue. It's captain obvious stuff here. Even if you think it's dumb if you run a company you know it's about perception. Doesn't take a genius to figure that this could blow up.
  • Knowing microsoft this was organised by some third party company. Said company will no longer be used to organise parties for ms.
  • "No, it was an event put on by Microsoft for attendees at GDC. Not some private club. " That makes it a  private club.....When you know., only people who atttended GDC can enter. The event was a club setting and had an open bar. They should've just hired male dancers too! LMAO! Was in the best taste of who ever the promotor MS hired. No, but something like go go dancers isn't something out of the left field when you attend a club\bar.
  • Of course. But you don't think some people from Microsoft were there in attendance? I mean, if I were there I would have been like "seriously, in light of all the hubbub about gamergate and purported sexism in the industry you're going to have go-go dancers at a public party where people can film and tweet it?" As I said elsewhere, even if you think this WHOLE topic is dumb, that was a PR disaster that should have been nixed. It's not even about believing it, it's about just avoiding a shitstorm.
  • Not sure how anyone could feel uncomfortable now I've seen the pictures. Looks like  any kind of night club. Jealous types I suspect. Its funny, I've never heard a bloke be offended by another blokes nudity, seing another bloke nekked let alone in clothes (like these dancers), and I've never heard of a pretty girl offended by another hot woman. Things that make you go hmmmmm...
  • "Its funny, I've never heard a bloke be offended by another blokes nudity".  Then you've clearly never heard heard of straight blokes beating up gay blokes because they are homophobic then.  SMH 
  • "gamergate issue" Granted, that "issue" is an asinine display of hypocrisy and ridiculousness.
  • Truth.
  • To a club
  • Lol isn't this a typically accepted thing in Europe
  • Yeah but America is letting SJWs take its balls away.
  • How to know how to listen to someone: He uses the term SJW non-ironically. :-\
  • How to know not to listen to someone: They can't compose a basic sentence.
  • Uncomfortable and unwelcome is the new normal.
  • Your Verge link is broken. What is the problem? It makes the entire thing feel like a party for men as opposed to being inclusive. ****, Microsoft practically RUNS the women in gaming sector of GDC, this is really unlike them. My thought is that a firm set up this party mostly on their own, not Microsoft.
  • "My thought is that a firm set up this party mostly on their own, not Microsoft."
    Very likely. However, you think someone from Microsoft would have been there and been like "Hey, remember that whole gamergate thing? Yeaaaaah. See those people with cell phone cams. Yeaaaah. This could look bad." Since that did not happen, you know, it's on them.
  • I think it probably did, but it was unlikely they had any ability to put a stop to this. What do you expect? Phil to jump onto this stage and say get out?
  • That's nonsense. You're telling me MS, the customer, couldn't do a simple thing as saying "I don't want this?"
  • So a bunch of geeks feel uncomfortable when they see some sexy girls and some cleavage? Big deal! Just say thank you
  • No, it's about not making women gamers and developers feel comfortable in the environment. Think, brah.
  • Finally a sensible answer. You're right.
  • Well, women who meet the specialized rules, of course. For all the "be what you want" culture, it's pretty hilarious for people to say that what these women want to be isn't acceptable. Then again, I've observed this kind of stuff for years, so when the "cause" ends up a self-contradictory joke, I'm not even close to surprised.
  • So basically, the verge needed to publish a negative article and found controversy where none existed.
  • Well, fact is there were attendees who voiced their displeasure at the event on Twitter. Verge did not break this story, they simply re-pub'd it after it gone viral on Twitter.
  • This went "viral"? What? What next, reality tv stars running for president?
  • Microsoft marketing team is probably the worst pr team, maybe a bit better than Sony
  • A few years ago Sony had multiple racist ads for the PS, held a party for God Of War with topless women feeding grapes to guests, then they sacrificed a goat and told guests to reach into the dead animal and eat from its intestines, and so on. Of course, it was us puritanical US people who were making an issue of the naked body, while all the tech websites put racist in quotes. Microsoft has some girls dancing in cheerleader outfits and Verge goes on a Microsoft hates women rant. Typical.
  • I cannot stand the Verge!
  • A week or two ago they had an article bragging about how a majority of their readers are Safari users. I wrote a comment about how they actively cater to Apple users so that is why the Safari numbers was so high. I didn't use my usual snarky commenting style, just wrote that they prefer Apple users there. The next time I logged in I got a popup saying how my comments will not be tolerated, that criticism is welcome unless it is criticism that they are biased because it equates to harassment of their Apple users. I then needed to click an accept button stating that I would stop writing such comments, or else I would face penalties (which even sounded like they may sue me). Of course I didn't click Accept. A few weeks later I visited their page and it popped up a message that since I didn't accept their terms in an appropriate amount of time, I was perma banned.
  • lmao, sounds a like neowin.  They might be getting better though; or it's the fact I don't visit site much anymore either.  I got a few messages over there that were similar.
  • A few days ago I went over to neowin for the first time in a long time, and it was amazing how that place has changed. Reading over the comments it is clear that the Apple fanboys run the place now. It was starting down that road when I stopped reading, but it is now complete.
  • Neowin is one of the worst so called tech news sites.Slow on news and rarely create orignal pieces, if it is original. It's either bullcrap made up stuff. The community forum is a joke and only cater to people who suscribe.
  • Yeah the Verge is known for being garbage, so
  • No, I think it's not about the women dancers per se as in they shouldn't do that, but rather if you were a female attendee (as a gamer, fan, or developer) such a thing could have made you feel uncomfortable. I mean, if I were at at Windows Phone event and male dancers/strippers were everywhere, I'd be like "ummmm...wth?".
  • Understandable. I don't know, maybe it is just the women I hang out with, but they never seem to have a problem with seeing other women wearing little clothes. They don't get upset over it and freak out. Sure, they would wish it were a guy, but they don't freak out about it. The issue with that verge article is how they are making it into a they need to stick up for those poor, degraded women because the women who were dancing could not stand up for themselves. Just about every women I know, if you told them that they don't know how to think for themselves and shouldn't treat themselves that way, wold be mad at the person telling them that, not the guy eyeing her up.
  • In fairness to the Verge many attendees tweeted images and video of the event saying that thought it was weird and bullshit to have, especially when the company just had a conference thing about gender, sexism in the gaming industry. At the very least this was a very obvious PR disaster in the making that anyone who follows gaming, gamergate, and topical issues would have seen a mile away. Now, I do take issue with the Verge doing the lamenting while running the photos too. To me, that is hypocritical.
  • god of war came out before theverge/polygon existed i'm sure sony would have gotten 10 articles written about them.
  • Engadget was the site back then, which was run by the same person who started verge. Sony put out a statment saying that none of the accusations were true, that the media was lying or heard incorrectly. Engadget put out an article nodding along with everything, giving excuses, and then never even mentioned naked women - Kotaku had pictures of them. But you read the article that Engadget has about this, where they disabled comments, it is all about how they disappointed they are. And of course since you cannot comment, you can't remind them of their goat article.
  • The upset are harassing these women. They can wear whatever they want regardless without the need of your shaming.
  • It's not about that, it's about as a company does Microsoft want to make women attendees as gamers and developers feel uncomfortable as such a party. Private events are one thing, but not when you are trying to bring a gender neutral community together.
  • But they had booze available to gamer dudes. Those dudes will drink and hit on the women in attendance. That will make the women feel uncomfortable. So they shouldn't have had the booze. That's unprofessional
  • xbox head should leave ms s
  • I think that's harsh. It's doubtful he approved of such a thing and instead it was underlings who farmed it out to a promoter. Someone should have caught it. Now, if Spencer was there and did nothing...that's different.
  • How can you have this article with no pictures?
  • You don't think lamenting about women strippers at an Xbox event that offended women attendees and posting those same images to sell our article would be hypocritical? I do.
  • I just saw the pictures and I think the offence is real. Basically it yells "This party is for males!"
    I have no problem with go go dancers, I respect them, but this was really one sided. The ladies were dressed with bras and school girl skirts.
  • Yup. I mean, if it were reversed and just males dancing on poles I doubt people here (and there) would be like "pffft, it's just half-naked dudes on poles, no biggy! Not weird at all at a party for gamers!". As soon as you reverse it, it's suddenly weird for hetero males.
  • If I went to an event in a "club" like scene like this, and they had the chippendales stripping, it wouldnt bother me in the slightest. Not sure how delicate or insecure you guys are who would get offended by another man with no clothes on. I shower with 20+ naked men every week, most soccer players do. I feel for the current generation. You're all so fragile and offended by everything. I'm a gamer, and I want boobs. Its not a weird combination for me at all. P0rnhub and Gaming is the perfect evening in for me ;)
  • Hetero male here who isn't made uncomfortable by make gogo dancers at parties. If you are that's your problem not the hosts'
  • Pix or it didn't happen.
  • The pics are on the Verge article. The venue (to me) does not mark the girls as out of context at all. Its a club style venue (or at least made to look like it). If this was in the middle of McDonalds, sure it would be out of place. But its not. And the girls in my opinion are only tartily dressed, like a dancer, but its not Spearmint Rhino levels of dress.  How anyone got offended by this is pretty remarkable. In an age where the Internet is full of porn, and most petrol stations and shops have daily newspapers with t*ts all over the covers (at least in the UK).
  • Where was it retorted that they were stripers?
  • Pix or it didn't happen...
  • Agree
  • It happened:  http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/18/11262888/microsoft-gdc-2016-party
  • BS. this from a society that accepts openly gay marriages, relationships in public and on televised media, going so far to suggest gay kids' movies to rewrite what we all grow up on. Yet at an event women walking around scantly clad they felt uncomfortable. Buncha asses!!
  • This isn't "women walking around scantily clad", this is hiring women to be objectified and ogled at a public event for the sexual gratification of a subset of attendees. In the same week as MS hosted a diversity in gaming event, no less. Yeah. This was wrong.
  • I agree, it was wrong. Just like seeing all those scantily glad homos promoting sex in gay pride parades that are supposed to be family friendly is wrong.
  • That's cool you go to gay pride parades and are proud to be gay and support the gay community, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Microsoft throwing a party for attendees at GDC that was not inclusive to all the people who attended.
  • Just making the point that not everybody wants to see half naked people running around being provocative.  Also making the point that some people would complain about it at an XBox event but not complain about it at a gay pride event.  People are funny that way.
  • The difference being one of those events is about sexuality, and one of them is a professional event.
  • ding ding!
  • Gay parades held at public spaces, being watched probably by more hetero bystanders than participants are somehow totally fine, but dancing girls at a company party are offensive? Looking from the outside, it seems like this hypocritical PC turns America into the opposite of a free society. It's not just about "sexism", it's pretty much about every "conservative" or "oldfashioned" behavior that suddenly becomes an issue. No wonder Trump used that built-up PC aversion and got this popular.  
  • Virtually all zombie games are about human beings being objectified so they can be bludgeoned, shot, chopped and burned for the savage gratification of a subset of gamers. Of course that is why they are zombified, because PC.
  • zombies are also easy to program believable ai for.
  • Someone needs some big boy pants. Sorry to tell you this, but men like looking at beautiful women, women like looking at handsome men, and sometimes mm/ww. Been like this for about, oh, I don't know, 100,000 years give or take a few. If these women didn't want to be looked at wearing less clothes than they would if they were going to someplace like church, then they wouldn't have taken this job. I personally known go-go dancers and strippers (no, I don't go to those places, don't need to) and you know what? Many of them actually like being ogled. If the people attending the party didn't want to see that, they were free to walk out the door. Instead, it is you who has decided for those women who were dancing that they felt degraded when you don't know jack shi* about them. Doubt you don't even care to know them, you just want to decide for everyone how they should act. You have decided that you are the arbiter on what should and shouldn't be done. The funny part about this is that the people who are complaining are usually the ones who tell us if we don't like sex or nudity on TV, then turn it off. So aren't those women in the movie being "degraded" but these women were.
  • The woman (and men) are complaining because they feel rejected at the party... It looks like a bachelor's one tbh. Like women are not supposed to be attending.
  • See, it's this "if you don't like it, GTFO" attitude that pushes a ton of women out of the tech sector. The strippers you know get into that business because they like the attention, so their professional progress and personal desires align. Women don't get into video games because they're super-keen to be seen solely as sex objects, but that's exactly what happens when they're put in a room with their peers to look at go-go dancers on tables. Women get into the industry for the same reason the guys do: they love games. The GDC controversy isn't about the dancers; they obviously get attention, and they know what they're signing up for. They're just doing their job. The issue at hand relates to the female attendees being rightfully pissed off that even at an institutional level (nevermind individual), they're still swimming upstream when it comes to sexism.
  • I don't even think it's solely about women feeling like they're "swimming upstream".  I think both men and women simply get uncomfortable when they feel like sex is being pushed on them at an event where they don't expect it.  It was just not appropriate, sexism aside.  And it was certainly less classy than how Microsoft wants to portray itself.
  • " I think both men and women simply get uncomfortable when they feel like sex is being pushed on them at an event where they don't expect it. "
    It's how I felt walking around E3 years ago with the 'booth babes'. I'm there for video games instead it's was just freakin' creepy. Even more creepy were the dudes drooling over them and getting their photos taken. I'm just smart enough to know when they're using models to get my attention like I'm some stupid animal. "Hey, horny young guys love games. They also love chicks! Let's use chicks to get their attention!" Like, some of us aren't that stupid.
  • Agreed. I'm sure there's a contingent of dudes who would feel uncomfortable in those situations, but unfortunately I think there's still a lot of them who are perfectly happy with it, so long as it's in their favor.
  • They're not sex slaves. They openly choose the profession, so if you're all "don't judge people," how can you go and tell these women that they're not allowed to do this? What happened to "it doesn't hurt anyone?"
  • "so if you're all "don't judge people," how can you go and tell these women that they're not allowed to do this? "
    You completely missed the point. Literally no one is telling women they can't be pole or go-go dancers. No one is saying that, just you. We call that a straw man argument and I'm going to tear it down. What people are saying, especially the ones who actually attended the gaming party, was that it was weird, awkward, and made attendees feel uncomfortable. If I walked into Home Depot and had dudes on poles swing their junk around, I probably would feel the same way. There is no connection between an open party for gamers and developers put on by Microsoft and go-go dancers. None. If you're trying to get women interested in buying your game or developing for Xbox you don't put go-go dancers at a party that they are attending. It's cheap. It's classless. It's inappropriate especially with all the recent history/controversy over sexism in the gaming industry.
  • No, Microsoft's saying it. Calling "strawman" doesn't make it one. Microsoft is saying they want to be inclusive, while saying those dancers shouldn't have been allowed (at least in their attire, though I'm sure the attire is less a problem than the gender bias). You can say what you don't like, but that's not the same for everyone else. There could be people who go to Home Depot over Lowe's to specifically see those dancers you don't want to see. There might be men at the Xbox conference who were delighted to see the dancers others were disgusted by (though they're unlikely to say so because of the likely public shaming that would follow). I wouldn't have liked this. I wouldn't have done it if I were in charge. I just think the reaction isn't proportionate to the action. However, why is it that only one side of the argument gets to realistically be heard? No one seemed to mind the gender pandering at E3 last year (Dishonored, Fallout, Syndicate, Beyond Eyes, Nier, BO3, Deus Ex, ReCore), because it was pro-female. People clamored to have females in BO3 for a long time, and it was made a big deal with Fallout, but why aren't people bothered when women are the only option? I'm fine with having things that appeal to women. Few mind it. I'm honestly lost as to why EVERYTHING has to, though. It just seems that diversity is now being forced on people, at the expense of personal freedom. It sucks and hurts games, in my opinion.
  • Microsoft is leading the discussion on sexism in the gaming industry. They stand against it. They then have a gaming party with females go-go dancers on polls. It's hypocritical. It looks bad. It looks insensitive. It's ridiculous. The only thing crazier than all of that is how you refuse to acknowledge their own contradiction in policy, which is Microsoft acknowledges in that email.
  • What is it really? You live in a society where less is always considered best. So how now they want to act all prim and proper? Too late to act as if so much hasn't been accepted for a long time now. It's not as if MS will suddenly lose anything as almost every business, school and home across the planet has a windows pc in it.
  • I do find it interesting how we're expected to accept visual displays like piercings and tattoos and hair styles and all that, but clothing and dancing is offensive. There are plenty who find tattoos and facial piercings unprofessional, but those people get called "close-minded," rather than telling those with that stuff to look better/more professional. Just goes to show that double standards are alive and well.
  • I wouldn't call it necessarily hypocritical. The act of having the dancers doesn't exclude women. I wouldn't call it less sexist to tell women they aren't welcome as dancers because others don't like it. You're picking exclusions, not eliminating them. I don't dispute it looks bad, but I put that heavily on the shoulders on a society whose primary aim today is to be offended. It shouldn't be a problem to have dancers. It shouldn't be a problem to not have them, though. Society's just decided that offense is the goal.
  • How are go go dancers at a party sexist?
  • Diversity is exactly about enabling personal freedom. Just because it isn't enabling your personal freedoms 100% of the time doesn't mean it's taking anything away from you. Not sure what you think we're losing. Gratuitous T&A? Maybe you feel like "everything" needs counterbalancing for women because they have many more disparities to make up for than you realized.
  • I mean, I guess, but diversity's often accomplished through inclusino through exclusion. The latest Fantastic Four decided that a character white for decades now had to be black, coloring that character in and twisting the story of the character to fit "diversity." Comics (X-Men, Green Lantern, Captain America, Thor, etc.) have been pretty big on it, actually. In this example of half-naked women, I lose nothing. I don't care about it. It's not about my loss. It's a complaint against shaming the personal choices of some because others don't like it, even when that isn't a consistent trait. I'm not too sure what you're getting at with the last sentence. Just to stick with the comic comparison, and it's something that had bled into gaming of late, I'd rather see original ideas with women or racial minorities or whatever, rather than the "Find and Replace" method that seems to be preferred by the media industries.
  • Obviously there are more graceful ways to be inclusive than the cut and paste method you're talking about here, but I don't see how it detracts from these stories, be they in video games or comics. Besides, I wouldn't say that method is any less graceful than the way most popular stories have been "twisted" in favor of white dudes. You say you don't lose anything by supporting diversity, but you're also lamenting some kind of loss in quality in video games and comics as a result.
  • Yes, I'm saying diversity isn't harmful. I'm saying forcing it is. I'll go with Wolverine as an example. They decided "OK, Wolverine's a woman now." It comes off as "we're sick of all these dudes, but we can't come up with an original idea, so we'll just start getting rid of guys." It's not a healthy mentality, and it's happened with Thor as well. We see it with Catwoman and Supergirl, too. It's a big part of why I don't bother with comic-based movies. What I mean there, is that I would like to see ORIGINAL ideas with women, not the (to take your words) "cut and paste" method. For example, I think Horizon looks like a really good game. I'm hoping to get a PS4 soon, to play MLB The Show. Other than baseball, Horizon is the only thing I see coming to the PS4 (exclusively) that I am interested in. I don't mind that there is a girl at the forefront. I don't like it or dislike it. It's there, it's whatever, I want to play a game that looks good, and that does. The same can be saidfor ReCore. I like shooters. It's a shooter. I'm interested to see what comes of it, and the gender of the character isn't something that affects that one way or the other. On the flip side, I didn't like seeing where some teen girl complained to EA about not having female players in NHL years ago, so they made female characters an option, even though having a women in men's hockey isn't really sensible. Similarly, I was really intruigued by Unity's co-op assasin play. It was the first thing to interest me in the franchise since the first game. I was going to get it, until I heard how broken it was. To see Syndicate come after and cut that concept, then throw out "but you can be a girl!" that was a letdown. Seeing Dishonored push Corvo to the role of afterthought at E3 2015 to put Emily at the helm, that was kind of lame; at least AC made the options feel like they were actual options. Original ideas with females are good. Adding female characters, I'm all for it. Cut-and-paste jobs to force along the gender equality, I don't care for it. By the way, thanks for being the one person who seems up for continually having a rational discussion on this.
  • But in an age where you can have same sex relationships, I'm offended you've suggested its a subset. I'm a woman, and I am free to oggle other women. Don't you oppress me.  
  • Basically the way that language is structured makes everything an object; I don't know why this is such a bad situation. If I remember correctly even in Philosophy a person can be an object, I can consider my self an object. I don't want to be rude but I know too many girls that admit they love superhero movies because... you know... the actors; some even go to Comicon in SD because they might see them attend or guy with similar physical qualities. I can comply at Marvel/DC because that and they'll put regular guys in regular clothes as heroes? ​I'm much more concern with violence without sense or TV series like breaking bad, sons of anarchy because they promote the idea of something like a good criminal. I would first have such series banned regardless of the story they are trying to tell. So, I agree with you.
  • Quite honestly, they deserve a drubbing over this. I'm an MS backer, and this is not acceptable. Good to hear Spencer being clear that they're going to handle it. Hopefully they reveal the punishments meted out. Make it known that they're cracking down, don't just turn it into another under rug swept.
  • the punishment is not to hire the company that organised the event. The contract probably indemnifies said company from lawsuits in regards to the content of the event. Ms may still try to fine them though
  • Diversity and inclusion?  So, apparently, Microsoft doesn't have a problem with scantily clad women per se.  It's just that the scantily clad were not equally represented.  I'm guessing if they had included scantily clad dancers of all genders, races, orientations, religions, etc., this would not have been an issue in their eyes?  I don't get it.
  • Haha my thoughts exactly.
  • MS is patently upset. See Phil Spencer's response. Those are the careful words of a very pissed off person.
  • Yes, but if his words were so carefully chosen why did he mention inclusion and diversity several times? I thought the issue was about class, not diversity.
  • I'm assuming phil is addressing how the environment of said party would make female attendees percieve ms xbox division
  • Oh, I see.  He felt that this would make women feel like they don't belong at the party.  Makes sense.
  • Or the careful words reacting as he knows society wants becuase it helps the brand.
  • This world is ******
  • Let's hear biker gang reps, what they've got to say. I'll bet no complaints from them. Also for nerds tgis is a rare chance to see scantily clad dancers in vivo.
  • Yes, but girl nerds did not see male dancers.
  • I'm offended when I don't see scantily-dressed dancers at these functions.
  • Lol
  • No, you're just being juvenile.
  • I was but so are the cry babies making a big deal about this.
  • It's not so much a "big deal" as just a dumb, stupid, PR move that could have been easily avoided by anyone who is remotely in touch with the gaming industry. It's hilariously tone-deaf.
  • I agree with that assessment.  But people just need to get over things like this and ignore it.  Nobody had to attend and look at it.  It wasn't shoved infront of anyone to where they had no choice but to watch it.  I think the gaming industry has always done something like this, why now is it that big of a deal.  You turn on the TV anymore you will see a lot worse.
  • If Microsoft this very week didn't lead a symposium on sexism in the gaming industry and what can be done to fix it, it is likely it may have gone unnoticed. If I see someone ranting against drugs only to see them do blow at a party, well, I may call them out on that.
  • What do inclusion and diversity have to do with this?
  • Simple. There are female gamers and developers who were invited to attend. How do you think that makes them feel? If Microsoft threw a party at Build and it was all male strippers in thongs, I'd be a little weirded out too. You don't see that as an issue for a company promoting itself as inclusive? Seems obvious to me. There's a time and place for everything. Having scantily clad women dancing on poles at a gaming party where men and women were attending is not appropriate for a company like Microsoft. Even if you don't agree with that it's a stupid PR move that any numbnut could have predicted as exploding in their face.
  • But what makes your personal biases the right ones? Women might be turned away when the dancers are there, but men are also drawn by it. They're fundamentally conflicting views on the matter. What you end up saying is a woman's opinion supercedes that of a man. If male strippers were at Build, you might not like it, but it might draw more women. The problem is that the goal seems to be that no one ever reacts to anything. It creates a boring, lifeless, sterile culture. It's bleaching personality in a way that kills individuality. I'm not keen on having half-naked dancers of any gender around me. That doesn't mean I have some inherent right to ignore the opinions and preferences of other. Someone is offended by anything and everything in the world. Yes, it's a stupid PR move, I think most everyone gets that. Everything that isn't hyper-liberal has become a PR disaster in 2016. That doesn't mean the (social) media members who are outraged are right, they're just the loudest group of people because it's their turn to be offended.
  • You're missing the whole point. They should be ensuring that all potential attendees and their entire target market would be comfortable and feel welcome. Since they're trying to target everyone, this was simply inappropriate. Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • That's never going to happen. It's never been possible. There will always be polar opposite opinions. There will be people who don't want dancers, and people who expect them and desire to see them. It's long been a total joke, the concept of appealing to everyone. Society, most every one, never has 100% agreement. Can we at least stop lying about it? It's not about making everyone feel welcome, it's about keeping the ones most-prone to complaining as quiet as possible.
  • Whether or not it will happen, is it not reasonable thing to strive for? It is clear that was *not* what the organizers were aiming for.
  • No, I honestly do not think it a reasonable thing to strive for. I can see and assess reality. I know it's not going to happen. I don't enjoying watching as everything is scrubbed and stripped of personality to avoid offense. It's borderline sickening. I don't mean this specifically, but the constant pursuit of not offending--it doesn't ever work, and it doesn't lead to anything that's better than it was. It leads to hypocrisy and louder hatred than preceded it.
  • What person would actually expect scantily clad and at an event like this though? It's not a bikers chapter meeting.
  • Regrettably, gaming has long endured things like "booth babes." As such, it's a semi-expected thing in gaming, I guess. E3's had half-naked women all over the place for a long time (IDK if they have it still, or to as great an extent). Heck, I think Game Informer had an E3 issue that heavily focused on them. I don't like that it happens, I just get why it does. I disagree, but I'm not going to shame people into my morality.
  • "But what makes your personal biases the right ones? "
    It's not mine it's the people who attended and bitched out Microsoft on Twitter and social media. That's their right too. So now Microsoft looks stupid over what...go-go dancers at a party for gamers and developers? Was this some principled stand they were making on the topic? No. It was just cheezy, classless and extremely tone-deaf to the whole recent discussion (which they are leading!) on sexism in the gaming industry. It's like being anti-gun, promoting anti-gun events, and then throwing a party where people carry guns. Calling that out as hypocritical is just obvious. That's what this is about: being hypocritical, or at least, the perception of it.
    "If male strippers were at Build, you might not like it, but it might draw more women. The problem is that the goal seems to be that no one ever reacts to anything. It creates a boring, lifeless, sterile culture. It's bleaching personality in a way that kills individuality."
    You're really over thinking this. Go-go dancers are not some principled position that the company is taking. It's stupid and just not professional. Would you give an interview on TV and drop f-bombs? Or sure, it's "your right" and "your preference" but someone might tell you that there is a better way to get your point across. We have one part of our culture that is hypersensitive and another reactionary part that is like "fuck you, deal with it". There is a happy medium. The fact is, there is no connection between gamers, developers and freakin pole dancers. None. If you want to defend Microsoft's right to have pole dancers at gaming parties, go right ahead, but not even Microsoft will agree with you on that one.
  • You can say you don't see a link. Many can. I'll bet there are other things that aren't related to gaming that are present. In fact, you usually refer to them as "sponsors." A happy medium would be wonderful, but I'll also say that it won't ever exist. The more the pandering is forced on people, the less likely we're going to see it. I mean, you can look at all kind of examples where the inclusion does harm through exclusion. I'm not going to throw them out because I know it'll offend someone (heck, probably even you). And that's what society has become. A call of inclusion whose manifestation is actually just public shaming and shouting to exclude the dissenters. It's what we've seen for years, even decades. It's why I hate political and moral discussions, because they're never discussions--they're checks to make sure you agre with the herd, and if you don't, it's tar-and-feather time.
  • Whoa. All such serious comments here. And look at me. I asked why they didn't put images in the post. :3 :D
    Chill everyone. Lovers will live, haters will hate. Just read the news, move on.
  • [quote]It creates a boring, lifeless, sterile culture. It's bleaching personality in a way that kills individuality​[/quote] It creates a respectful, friendly open culture.  It adds personality by not stereotyping individuals. I fixed that for you.  I hope it helps.  It would also help if you recognized that this is not about women vs men, men also were offended and stated as much.  If I am going to a professional event, I expect to be appealed to intellectually, not sexually.  Maybe you expect different, but if so I doubt you are the target for a company like Microsoft.  I would suggest Tecmo instead.
  • That's an adorable, hilarious joke. There are SO MANY PEOPLE who aren't respected in today's culture because they don't agree with the majority. It's only respectful, friendly, and open to those who meet the right standards. This can relate to religious, moral, economic, musical, or other preferences I could list for days. Like I said, I wouldn't have enjoyed this. I just wish that things could be done with reasonable discussion and reaction, rather than the loud hollering of Twitter that aims to shame Microsoft into an overractive apology, rather than an attempt at obervation. Microsoft has to call itself and embarrassment to make up for it, rather than having the opportunity to accept, assess, and respond to reasonable criticisms. My favorite part is this: "Maybe you expect different, but if so I doubt you are the target for a company like Microsoft.  I would suggest Tecmo instead." Microsoft does something and you don't like it, and you react negatively. I say Microsoft can make its decisions and do as it pleases. You then say that if I don't like what Microsoft is doing,I can go elsewhere--while saying these people shouldn't have to if they don't like it.
  • I worked for Microsoft for nearly a decade.  I guarantee you that some of the first complainers were likely employees embarassed by the event.  I don't know how you read Twitter posts as "loud hollaring", what I read was in fact what you actually ask for, reasonable discussion followed by Microsoft making an announcement that this was in poor taste and they will do better going forward. So far as I can tell you seem to define the only appropriate response as ignoring the issue altogether.  That is not reasonable.  Furthermore, you seem to be implying that the removal of offensive behavior from public is itself offensive.  I'm sorry you feel that way, but we can do nothing about the fact that some people get their kicks debasing others.
  • Which side of the line of offense gets to be the right side though? I mean, we all know the answer is the liberal side, we see that all the time. Whichever makes the best sell to the media gets to be right, rather than things being assessed on logic, as you claim to want. But sure, call this kind of stuff rational reaction (not posting the wording because of language): https://twitter.com/spamoir/status/710703042526457856?ref_src=twsrc^tfw Note that this article links to The Verge, which links to Crave, which made her comments (mutlipel tweets) the highlight of the matter. It's nothing rational, because that's not what gets clicks and things into the mainstream.
  • I was raised in a deeply conservative household.  A core conservative belief was respect of others and respect of yourself.  Misogyny is not a conservative belief. And congratulations, you found an angry person on Twitter.  I suppose in your world that overrides all of the reasonable discussion taking place on the topic here and elsewhere.
  • But my point is that it's what got the attention, not the rational discussion. I experienced something similar to what you said you did, being raid in a conservative hosuehold and thinking self-respect to be a big deal that this kind of stuff contradicts. Instead of then saying "so take it my way or shut up," I'm saying that if those people disagree, then that is their decision. I'm less willing to flip out on personal preferences that most, I guess. But I guess what I actually say isn't of interest. If it doesn't align properly, it has to be twisted and lied so you can make a comment that disagrees with what you think I said, even if it doesn't disagree with what I actually said. What I said was that I don't like how the overreaction is the focus, rather than the rational discussion. I gave an example of that, and your response is that I'm ignoring the rational discussion, when it's just not the case. The brad crumbs of this lead to the Crave article, which I said was the problem. I didn't find that angry person, the root article linked from here did, and that's my point.
  • I am not replying in a thread on The Verge, or Twitter or anywhere other than WP Central.  The article here was not one of outrage, nor has Daniel or others in this discussion thread done anything except express our opinions in a level-headed manner.    No one here is saying to take it our way or shut up.  In fact the vast majority of the conversation, on any site I've seen that's mentioned it, is very rational and reasonable. You are playing the part of a concern troll when you keep trying to imply that the issue is being handled irresponsibly or irrationally, or simply shoved down people's throats.  It is a method you use to avoid discussing the issue.  It is a problem for you that everyone here is reacting rationally and reasonably, so you keep trying to inject the perception that someone, somewhere, is irationally upset in order to poison the discussion here.  Your approach is disingenuous. Can you address the points being raised here?  Many of us have pointed out what is wrong with Microsoft's event.  Do you have a problem with those issues raised?  Can you explain why our concerns are misguided?  Or will you keep pointing at someone's random Twitter account to try and avoid the topic of this article?
  • Again, you're responding to what I said by addressing what I didn't. I said I don't like the Twitter outrage, you say there isn't any, I give an example, and then you come back with "we're not doing that here," when I never said anyone here was. Then you call me a troll, and any chance of rational discussino is left for dead in a ditch on the side of the road. I discussed the issue repeatedly, and you claim I didn't. I mean, I can't respect the response of a person who says repeatedly he wants logic in his advertisement, then can't use it in his arguments. It reeks of hypocrisy. You even do so well as to wrap up with something as obstuse as "Can you address the points being raised here?" I did it repeatedly. I said I know it makes MS look bad...repeatedly. I said I don't personally like this kind of advertisement...repeastedly. That's apparently not good enough because my comments don't hit the right note of outrage for your ears (or eyes). "Can you explain why our concerns are misguided?" The part where I say that too many of the responses are overblown and your response is to call names. That's where your concerns are misguided, the place where you are clearly more interested in being deemed right than having a discussion. You showed it, like, 4 times, when you kept blowing by what I said to make sure you called me out for something different first.
  • Finding one example of a person using the F word on Twitter in no way constitutes proof that there is "Twitter outrage".  Anecdote is not data.  If your bar for things being unreasonable is the ability to find one, ten, or a hundred outraged people on the internet, then by definition every issue no matter how mundane is going to be viewed as filled with outrage.  It is also completely irrelevant to the topic. I did not call you a troll.  I said you were trolling.  Perfectly rational people sometimes choose to troll others.  I do it on occasion when I feel someone is behaving ridiculously.  You are engaging in something well defined as concern trolling, pretending to be rational on the topic but then dragging irrationality by others into it to try and demonstrate that people on a side you oppose are irrational.  Interestingly enough, you have ignored the fact that in this very thread the only irrational replies have been by those who think this was no big deal. Finally, you claim that you have addressed the issue, and even agree with Daniel and I, yet you continue to try and paint our side as irrational.  That is the opposite of agreement.  It is an attempt to tar one side by what you percieve as its worst elements.  "Oh yeah, I totally agree with your point, but then so did Hitler, so yanno...."  No one asked you to be outraged.  We are asking you to state your point without also denigrating people who find this situation offensive by associating them and their views with what you believe to be their worst element.
  • I give up. You're not even trying. For the 10th time, I DIDN'T FIND THAT. The story at the start of this chose to only highlight those tweets. That was my point. Why you keep lying to yourself otherwise, I don't get. "You are playing the part of a concern troll" You're saying that I'm being a troll. At least own it. Call me it, I don't care that much (though I won't waste words on name-calling). Don't say it, get a response, then try to pretty it up. Taping two words together and acting like it's some psychological disease ("concern trolling") isn't any better, it's just further explaining the calling me a troll that you're saying you aren't doing. In these cases, I absolutely find your comments to be ridiculous. Note that I say that, rather than calling you a troll. Back tothe B.S. It's the EPITOME of my complaint. "Side" is a bad way to take it. I'm not trying to take sides. I think takign sides is the main problem here. You want to take sides? Fine. Don't be surprised when I call you irrational and refuse to engage in discussion further. I didn't call the stance irrational. I welcome you to point me to where I did. I've been calling the extremist responses irrational, and I believe that they are. Stop taking a dissenting opinion as a personal insult, and maybe you'll get the point. I've said I agree, but not entirely. That's not denigratring, that's explaining. I've stated I don't like the highlighting of the worst elements (on both sides), not that they are the majority or a means of negating moderate responses. But, again, you keep wanting to claim other than what I say. For that, I have no time. I'm done with the discussion with you, because I can't stand repeating myself. What it ends up feeling like is youjust want to repeat the same complaint so I reply with a watered-down version to placate you, until I finally agree out of exhaustion. I'm not going there.
  • 1) Yet you are centering your argument on it.  Even though it is not representative of the discussion here at all.  YOU are the one trying to demonstrate that that is the tone of this whole issue, even though it clearly is not. 2) Trolling is a verb, not a noun.  There are types of trolling, look it up. 3) Except you are taking sides and then pretending you are not.  You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.  You have claimed repeatedly to agree with Daniel's take, then stated something intended to discredit his side of the argument in an attempt to appear 'balanced' on the topic.  You are either dissenting or agreeing with the premise that having dancers at a corporate event of this type is appropriate.  You can't have it both ways. 4) And no, you aren't going there.  You won't let yourself get pinned down because it would force you to admit the truth.  And based on your other posts in this thread, you are a misogynist with some racist tendencies.
  • Would a bunch of oiled-up pool boys make them feel better? SMFH!
  • I dunno, are you saying you want oiled-up pool boys at public events that you attend? That's cool if you do, but I think for public relation companies should just avoid the whole 'sexy dancer' thing. Keep it simple. Now go enjoy your oiled-up pool boys.
  • Unfortunately, they're too busy catering to the feminists and homosexuals; personally, I prefer what the whiners are complaining about.
  • "Shame on all those people who are different from me, having different thoughts and opinions!"
  • No thanks, keep the shame to yourself, please. Seriously, it boils down to this for me, you want to take the "norm" and alter it to meet your own desires and expectations, then deride those who prefer the former, which by the way, was doing just fine as it was, and actively pursue a course of action to attempt to take it away from those who were already having fun, rather than attempting to find a way to add your own fun into the mix. Reprehensible.
  • What a bunch of losers complaining about a non-issue!
  • I'm going to guess...you're a guy and not a female who attended this party. We're going to throw a Windows Central reader party soon. You're invited. But there is a very good chance near-naked dudes will be dancing on poles. Now, don't you be offended or weirded out! That'd be hypocritical and we can't have that.
  • To be fair, I wouldn't be offended by that. I wouldn't attend because I didn't like it, but I wouldn't start throwing pictures up on Twitter to throw a fit to make the changes. You're your own entity and are free to make those choices. I wouldn't expect you to change your business for me, so why is it that you want others to change for you?
  • Let's say hypothetically that you're destined to become the next rockstar WC editor. If you're turned off from going to the party, that connection doesn't get made. WC loses out because it doesn't get a great writer, and you miss out on a totally sweet gig. Everybody is poorer for it. Same goes for for this GDC party. Smart, capable people are excluded from making real professional connections because there's a culture mismatch.
  • Maybe. The same could be on the other side. Maybe a good writer or developer would be drawn by the attractive entertainment, if it existed. More than one hypothetical exists in any scenario. If I said this article offended me because it supported the restriction of choice in my eyes, the response wouldn't be to reexamine the article, it would be "you don't agree, we don't care. Get out if you don't like it." That's fine, though.
  • Okay, let's switch sides in the hypothetical situation. In the case of this GDC party, the dudes that are attracted to a party with dancers already have a ton of opportunity to make these connections, while the women who are pressured out of the party have few opportunities as is, and even less when they leave or don't show up. There's a pretty clear line between "attractive entertainment" and "schoolgirls with their tits out". Microsoft is 100% capable of entertaining a roomful of nerds without resorting to the lowest common denominator. As for the nature of this kind of discourse and disagreement, nobody's interested in browbeating other people into submission and silence, either on this site or in the Microsoft/GDC kerfuffle. It just so happened that the conversation with GDC was super straightforward: People: Hey, we don't like that thing you did. Microsoft: Oh, hey, neither do we. Sorry, won't happen again. In places like this comment section, obviously things have become a bit more protracted, but WC isn't banning people here for having a civil disagreement. At worst you'll get downvoted. It's engagement, and that only benefits the site. (On that note I gotta get out of this rabbit hole of a post, or I'll be on here all night talking in circles. Thanks for the good convo.)
  • I totally agree, both on the topic, and that this could go on all night (and I have The Division to play). One thing I have to question, though: You say how women don't have as many opportunities. I'm not sure I agree with that, in this climate. The VAST majority of the negative commentary seems to come at the consumer level, not the corporate one. So, while things like pseudonyms might help tone down the negativity, I think when you do things like make the focus be on women, it makes the pushback worse. This conference doesn't do that, I'm not making that claim, nor does not bringing out half-naked women in the future. It's not act of excluding or working against men. Where the problems arise, as I've said before, is the degree of outrage. You say Microsoft says they're sorry and won't do it again. That's not even close to the degree of apology, which I think went over-the-top to save face. I think that hurts them with some consumers, who get tired of the pandering. The other problem is when you see people try to say that guys should be inclusive to women, when the opposite doesn't apply. There are quite a few groups who like to identify themselves as "gamer girls," and when they're the ones sticking that label out there, they're making matters worse. Microsoft's actually been a part of that with girl-specific gaming nights, though I'm not sure if they still do that (and if not, when they stopped doing it). Having things labeled as "for women" or "women-friendly" is a dangerous thing. It can make women feel safe and accepted, but also feel insulting to men. When I see a clan in a game say "women only," I think it's a garbage way of saying that men can't be trusted. The same goes with the "equality" stuff. It makes it out to be that if you don't agree, your'e a sexist, and it's problematic. I'd rather things like that be dialed back, with an aim at not belittling one group to appeal to the other.
  • "You're your own entity and are free to make those choices. I wouldn't expect you to change your business for me, so why is it that you want others to change for you?"
    Once again, literally no one is challenging that. But if we are trying to throw a successful, inclusive party, it would be near the top of one of the worse decisions to make especially since it has nothing to do with anything. Let me make it clearer: Say we ran a series of long-winded editorials blasting the use of male models and dancers at events and how our industry exploits male sexuality for commercial gain and that it needs to change. Then we throw a party with male dancers. If you called us out on Twitter for being hypocritical a-holes, would you be wrong? That is what is at issue here.
  • The problem is the incessant aim to label "right" or "wrong." Would I be wrong to complain if I don't like what your company does? No, but that doesn't make your company wrong for doing it, either. The argument seems to constantly be that objectification of women is wrong. However, if the women are happily and freely saying that's what they want to do and be, being outraged over their actions isn't exactly a superior stance. I stated before (in one of my other replies) is not that there is negative reaction. It's that what it has become is overbearing, excessive, and self-contradictory. You're reading as Microsoft says it's exclusive by having that group of dancers. It's saying that it would have been more inclusive if the dancers were excluded. Say you don't like it, that's fine. I don't like it. I keep saying that. It's when it turns into the buzzword discussions ("inclusion," "diversity," etc.), rather than reasonable assessment, that I get irritated by it. Getting some rational feedback with this stuff, rather than an article throwing out the "offended" stuff would be much nicer.
  • I'm not even saying inclusive. I'm saying Microsoft took a public position on something and are now (seemingly) going against it. You can't say you are against sexism in the gaming industry and throw a party with go-go dancers for the entertainment of your male audience and not expect to be called out on it. And yes, now that you mention it, having go-go dancers to entertain your male audience is rather exclusionary of others who are not getting aroused at a party for video games.
  • Yes, but I also think too much of that is just the desire to complain, rather than an honest attempt at discussion. Why is it sexist to entertain the majority? Magic Mike never really got assessed as the objectifying, digusting display of sexual pandering it was, and it even got a sequel. The Oscars "scandal" got a bunch of "woe is me," but no one bothers to address the presence of BET. A white person won a scholarship and was publicly shamed into giving it back because it was "meant for a black person," and the outrage didn't pour in. Too much of this is one-sided outrage that won't look inward. Why you keep repeating yourselfon the "Microsoft looks bad" is beyond me, though. I've said repeatedly I agree on that. I give up on trying to have the discussion here, though. It's clear the intent isn't to discuss, but to expect agreement or something. I've tried to concede that point and further the talk, and I think this is the fifth time the response is the same, "Microsoft looks bad and said it didn't like it." It's a record on a loop, and I don't feel like matching with a record of "you're right."
  • You are betraying your views more than perhaps you realize.  I see the arguments you are making here routinely made by those who frequent Stormfront.  We know you are being disingenuous when you state that you agree with us.  If you agreed with us, you would not protest so much when people want to dsicuss it.
  • But you seen to think the gogo dancers are there purely to entertain the male audience. That's not the case. Gogo dancers traditionally are there as ice breakers. They are there to help everyone have fun, entice people to get up and dance and have a good time. That way no party goer has to be ' first' to get up and dance. Strippers certainly are for entertainment. Gogos are there to help get the party started
  • This^ GoGo dancers are no different then cheerleaders.
  • A "Windows Central" reader party would definitely be too nerdy for me and hurt my image. I wouldn't attend in the first place. Regardless Windows Central should be able to market their product the way they want. 
  • You are working very hard to avoid the point here. I'm almost amazed at how far you are trying to miss what the issue here is.
  • Why say 'guy' and then use ' female'. Why not guy and gal or man and woman or male and female. Why use the informal for one gender and formal for the other? Do you think issuing the informal 'gal' would have offended someone but 'guy' does not? Are you belittling him with the informal diminutive gender use because you don't like his opinion?
  • After looking at the pics, not sure that is really scantily-clad.. Living in Florida that is actually considered conservative.. I see way worse on ota tv daily..
  • I think you're kind of missing the point here.
  • Yeah, you're missing the point that everything must be approved and sanctioned by the Feminist Collective, dissenters be damned!
  • "Feminist Collective"
    Not playing your cards close to the chest I see. Listen, if you like to attend parties with lots of guys and get boners together while women dance on polls, that is fine. What you do with your friends is your business. That is not gay and is completely manly. I'm not here to judge. Some of us, however, think gamer parties could use less of the "being a bro" thing and more of the "hey, let's talk about games" part.
  • Believe me, that's the nicest way I can asses this garbage when I repeatedly say I don't like what Microsoft did, and the most-intelligent response you can muster is to suggest the exact opposite.
  • How about just saying this: "Wow, this was a misfire on Microsoft's part." and either elaborating or leaving it at that?  Instead in this thread you have also chosen to randomly bash on feminists and people of color, implying they are all just too sensitive.  As Daniel said, you aren't playing your cards close to your chest anymore.
  • Did you just say that gay is not completely manly? I think you insinuated it in a previous comment but seems blatant here.
  • Omg
  • BS
  • The demographic of gaming is overwhelminly male. Many games feature big breasted women due to this fact.  I see no problem marketing to the males.  No different than what's on television.  The bottom line is that sex sells.  No female, ugly, politically correct, left wing loonie, will ever change that.  Sorry if I offended you. Not. I'm offended that every truck commerical has a very very deep voiced man selling the truck.
  • Here's the thing: your opinion on this actually does not matter. If you are a PR agency or a company trying to be inclusive this was a very bad idea. Anyone in the gaming world know about gamergate and to steer clear of that controversy, or, at the very least, not feed into it. Moreover, females are making up a larger and large group of gamers, so you logic is flawed (it's circular logic). Even more so when you consider the reason why there may be more male gamers is because females do not feel that games or the way they are marketed is aimed at them. So yeah, more male gamers if you have games with, I quote you "big breasted women" may not really be something females want to play, thereby reinforcing the problem. As I mentioned above, we're throwing a Windows Central reader party with prizes, free alcohol and special guests. However, we'll have only male models dancing on poles at the event and I expect you to be fine with that and not at all weirded out.
    "No female, ugly, politically correct, left wing loonie, will ever change that. Sorry if I offended you. Not."
    So brave, to say this in a comment section. Jesus called, he wants his cross back.
  • You keep throwing these false equivalences out there. Being weirded out or deterred isn't the same as demanding public outcry and shaming of the business. I'd be weirded out. I wouldn't go. I wouldn't complain openly about it (though if I was asked why I didn't attend, I'd explain my point). You say the gaming community is more female than it's been, and that's true, but why does that override the fact that the majority is still male? Just to make up numbers, if the 70% that is male likes it and the 30% that is female doesn't, why does the 30% get priority over the 70%? If the change dmakes the 30% happy and the 70% unhappy, why is that OK?
  • Microsoft themselves said this goes against their core principles! They lead a talk on sexism in the gaming industry only to have a gamer party with female go-go dancers? You do not see the contradiction in that at all? You see no reason, no reason at all, why people would call them out for at least appearing duplicitous on the topic? It's like see an anti-drug advocate lead a rally only to see them do blow at a party.
    "You say the gaming community is more female than it's been, and that's true, but why does that override the fact that the majority is still male?"
    I dunno, maybe because games are heavily marketed to boys with "big breasted women" (as noted above) instead of targeting any games at females? That is the point. The accusation is that the whole industry is geared towards guys even though women would play games too if dudes weren't dominating everything. This is the crux of their argument and it has a valid point to it. At the very least, the portrayal of females in video games needs to step up beyond a 12-year old boys fantasies. It's silly and one dimensional. It's also condescending to guys like me who want to play a game but not feel like I'm being patronized or treated like an animal who can't control his desires. Christ, we're not all apes who play games.
  • "I dunno, maybe because games are heavily marketed to boys with "big breasted women" (as noted above) instead of targeting any games at females?" Your'e right, E3 wasn't littered with the female pandering (not that the presence of female characters is inherently pandering, but E3 definitely had that feel). We didn't see Assassin's Creed replace co-op with a female character option. We didn't see Call of Duty and Fallout make a speical point at their E3 announcements that you could be a woman. We didn't see Dishonored, Nier, and others replace male leads with female ones. We didn't see new IPs led by females, like Horizon, ReCore, and Beyond Eyes (even though new ones with males were mostly from previous announcements, nothing major was brand new and male-led that I recall). We didn't see ANYTHING with women, the industry's TOTALLY not improving. Your post basically epitomizes my problem with these discussions. It's not about getting better. It's about demanding an overnight change to the complete opposite. It's not about facts or discussion, it's about belittlement and shaming into either (often false) agreement or silence from the dissenters. I mean, I could make a rebuttal about your last comment, but I won't because I know the PC police will be out in full force, and it'll just be an emotional reaction to shame me if I say anything. What I am saying is just a roundabout statement that boils down to the fact that the claimed desire for a "happy medium" and "inclusion" only exist if it fits the right narrative. We see it all throughout society. I can read it all over these comments. "GamerGate" gets attention as something that scares off women, but it's never assessed with the overbearing, anti-male sentiments it is constantly full of (Anita being the queen of such things, yet thrown on a pedestal for it). It's so rarely about inclusion or equality, and really just about replacement.
  • 1) Many of the female focused announcements you mentioned were always the case.  I played the original Fallout.  In 1996. I could select a female then too. 2) Your problem is that you don't like to have these discussions at all, yet you can't stop reading and replying to them.  It is difficult for you to accept that others who are not white males may wish to have a voice in how they are portrayed and treated by this and other industries.  You get upset that people want overnight change, but I highly doubt that if you faced a social injustice you would be willing to simply 'wait your turn'.  You can't even begin to know what that feels like. 3) Anita is not anti-male in the slightest.  She wants to live in a world where she is acknowledged based on what she does and how she presents herself.  Not one where she is assessed starting with whether or not she has a vagina.  Your statement about her is damning of your own views.  She has neither done nor said anything that anyone would blink at if it were from a male about their gender.
  • I'm unconvinced that a party without boobs would inherently make men unhappy. It would mean fewer boners, but that's probably for the best, especially if it opened the door for women to attend at the same time. I'm not following the zero-sum logic here that in order for women to feel remotely comfortable (nevermind happy), men have to have an equal loss in satisfaction. It's cool, I can live without partial nudity for a few hours.
  • I'm not saying a lack of women makes men unhappy. I'm saying that their presence can improve the experience for some, just as it can take away from it for others. There are men with social anxiety around beautiful women, or women in general. If some of them intended to go to this conference, would their feelings be enoguh of a reason to tell women to stay out? Of course not. In that same vein, I'm saying that it shouldn't be a one-sided assessment. I mean, heck, you're saying this to someone who doesn't even like to be around half-naked people at a beach or water park because I don't care to see any gender's assets on display en masse.
  • This image does the rounds pretty regularly, but I think addresses your notion that the media sentiment is one-sided. From a gender politics standpoint, men really don't need any help. We still hold pretty much all of the cards. You can cry "reverse discrimination" when men lose the right to vote, but in the meantime women have a ton of catching up to do on so many fronts, and they need allies who are sensitive to those conflicts.
  • Oversimplifying the matter isn't the answer. No, men aren't in a wors place in women, I'm not saying otherwise. I'm saying that just as they don't "need help," they don't need to be given the blanket assessment of evil that seems to sweep over them. "Catching up" is a bad way to look at it becuase it's usually approached in a sexist manner. My comments are to say I don't want to get to a point where men DO need help, because it's not like it would eve come. There are plenty of examples where this is the case. Here's a simple one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserved_political_positions#Reserved_seat... It's not empowering to women to reward them for being women. It's a big problem I see, and one I don't like. As noble as the idea to have female representation in government might be, that doesn't mean the aim to give women spots for being women (rather than qualified) aren't wrong. It's not a gender-only thing either. I work in state government, and during a presentation last year, we had a woman come in and speak on another example: The state of Illinois gives special treatment to veterans. When it comes to looking for jobs, ex-military get priority over others. This happens to such an extent that being in the military trumps actual skills. What the speaker said was that her department has been forced to work short-staffed because of this hiring process. Their only options of people to hire were veterans, but none were in any way qualified. The state basically has a pool of applicants taking generic tests, and because the veterans tested well, they got hiring priority. It meant hiring and paying an unqualified worker and taking away from the rest of the work to pick up their slack and train them, or put up with a work shortage. After hearing that, I spoke with some others I know who work for the state, and they've said similar things happen. Veterans make great sacrifices for the rest of us, but that doesn't make punishing people for not being in the military OK. Race is another one where it happens. Basically every season, MLB gets ready with some complaints that there aren't enough African Americans in the sport, as if to hint that MLB is trying to keep them out actively or something. Last I heard, the player base is something like 7-8% African American. Something similar happens all the time with NFL quarterbacks, a complaint that the position is "too white." However, the flip side is never discussed. No one questions why the NBA has an overwhelming majority that is African-American (I believe north of 70%), nor do people wonder why NFL running backs are almsot never white, nor do most point out how wrong it is when white people get pegged as "deceptively fast" or "possession receivers," as a clear swipe at white athleticism. All I try to get at there is the idea that forced equality isn't equality. Complaining only where it fits the narrative isn't a work towards a better society. Men make out better than women in many places. However, it's rare that they get the benefit of the doubt in matters like childcare or sexual assault. The Duke lacrosse case is a perfect example of that (players' being treated like rapists when the end result was proven innocence). Men are expected to pay child support for unwanted children, but also get told they have no say in matters like an abortion when they want the kid. Women have almsot all the power there (not to say it means men deserve other powers to balance it). Seeing so much forcing of ideology, rather than being rational and letting things happen organically, that's where these matters take a turn for the worse. That's what I hate to see.
  • I'm sorry, I am having difficulty hearing you over the sound of all the violins.  I had almost forgotten how difficult it is for white males in this country.  It is so terrible that we may be being excluded from some things on the basis of our skin color and gender, and I'm certain that that exclusion is not at all helpful to the person who recieved the jobs or positions in place of us. You know what?  We should probably do what you suggested others do and wait our turn.  Maybe in sixty or seventy years things will change when women and minorities can recognize our downtrodden state.  Until then we probably shouldn't be loud in our dissent, and certainly not angry or disruptive, instead we should quietly concern troll posts on the internet and hope that someday our plight is recognized.
  • Would men accept a world where women decided what we could legally do with our bodies and how it could be done?
  • I'm male and I'm offended.  It would be terribly uncomfortable for me to attend a professional event run like this.  You have a product to sell?  Talk to my face, not my d*ck.
  • That's how I feel about it. We're not all baboons running around. I think. I can make decisions without the naked ladies. Plus, I always found it weird that dudes like to hang out with other dudes and get aroused together by dancing women.
  • I agree, I think it's odd. I generally don't take to advertising as it is, and the second I think it's trying to play on something other than logic, I'm turned off to the product. I can't stand T-Mobile or Sprint because their commercials are obnoxious. I can't say I'm offended by Hardee's commercials, but I can also say I haven't been there in a long time because a near-naked woman can't make me want crappy chicken tenders that sat out all day. Pandering drives me insane, I'm probably more sensitive to that than most.
  • Let's turn this around. You're very judgmental in calling some people "baboons" and finding it "weird" that some dudes like to hang out with other dudes and get aroused together by dancing women. What if those people were born that way? I guess it's OK to insult and look down on them because it's currently in vogue to do so?
  • Note: He didn't call people baboons.  He said that marketing to his penis is demeaning.  Also how is someone 'born' in a way like you suggest?
  • So today we’ve learned what Daniel actually thinks of people that don’t see things his way.    … and that there are people that will actually try to damage control a clear-cut statement.
  • Maybe the people that attended didn't have the choice of "not going" because they weren't told ahead of time that the dancers would be there.
  • Right, or maybe it was just important for them to attend because of the valuable networking opportunity. Networking parties are actually a really big deal for members of the industry.
  • Welcome to the new PC world order, where people get offended for anything and everything... and as if that's not enough if you offend someone you’re committing a crime - not a joke: http://www.activistpost.com/2016/02/free-speech-just-died-a-cop-ticketed... btw this is the first time I’ve seen Daniel white kn… respond this much.
  • Thank god the gaming industry is bigger than what your assuming it is.
  • As a woman, I'm offended by your assumptions about gaming in general. I think you should look at more recent statistics that show that there are actually more women gamers than men. Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • Wherever you got this from. It's bullshit. Unless they count bejeweled and angry birds as games.
  • Um, they are games.
  • The breakdown has been pretty split for more than a decade.  It always amazes me that the assumption is that gamers are mostly young men and teens.  In reality, MMO's like Everquest and WoW started to change that dynamic, the rise of casual gaming and the Wii moved it even further.  We've been roughly 50/50 for some time now, and some estimates are as you say, showing more women than men.
  • Nit picking at its best.
  • Pointing out hypocrisy at its best. Microsoft is and should be embarrassed.
  • Good for him! Owning up to the mistake, apologizing for it and letting his employees know where they stand on such activities. I think that was handled perfectly!
  • Only in America would someone feel "excluded"
  • Yeah, right. Have you seen all of the protected class garbage going on in Europe?
  • looking forward for the sexism verge articles about directtv, carls jr, and the female characters in street fighter with big ass boobs.  can't wait
  • In fairness, that is what gamergate was kind of about (the latter thing, at least, about street fighter).
  • so apparently the next party will also include scantily clad men in addition to scantily clad women?  
  • Maybe, just maybe, you don't have any scantily clad dancers are a party for gamers? Might be easier. And more appropriate use of Microsoft funds.
  • What if the scantily clad are party goers because it's poolside in Vegas and it's a party?
  • I see a lot of people dismissing this, partially because the story was initially published by The Verge. They didn't engineer this. People that represented Microsoft did. If The Verge hadn't reported it, I guarantee you that another site or blog would have. 
  • I mean, point of fact is the Verge source The Crave for the story, so you would be correct.
  • There are a lot of issues with this story and a lot of ways to interpret things. I play Tomb Raider only because Lara Croft is hot. A lot of games in Xbox have hot women protagonists. There are women and girls that think Lara Croft is hot and are ok with that. I personally feel it's ok to have hot women at an Xbox event, but perhaps they could have remained on stage. Peace all.
  • "I play Tomb Raider only because Lara Croft is hot."
    Mm, k. Most of us come back, however, because it's a good game. Lara Croft is also a rather decent strong female character and they have slowly pulled back the whole sexuality of her character in recent games making her character more than just an object. My opinion, anyway. Enjoy your video game bewbs.
  • If you go to an NBA or NFL game there are hot scantily clad cheerleaders and everyone including women is ok with that. That's how I think maybe Microsoft was thinking.
  • Sports culture is still strongly misogynistic.  News at 11.
  • This is why we can't have nice things.  No more dance parties. Now we just have to stand around and look at each other all night.
  • Move on. Nothing to see here. Controversy? Really?
  • I agree this should not have happened and it's heartening to see Phil Spencer step up and respond. BTW, there's a lot of similarity between the comments on The Verge and the email sent to employees - just an observation. Posted from the Windows Central app Built for Windows 10
  • The Verge has a history of taking jabs at Microsoft. They despise Microsoft. They wish MS would just go away. The above article is a way of making MS look bad to their beloved Apple sheep.
  • They weren't the first to break this story. It was going around Twitter and other outlets all day. The Verge merely got MS on record, which was good on them. Other sites just assumed it was a Microsoft event without verifying.
  • Why don't we look into E3 while were at it. Many developers have women standing next to their games.
  • They don't really do booth babes at E3 any more; the rules have gotten a lot stricter.
  • They donate money to abortuaries that already get more than enough government welfare and pander to big brother at practically every turn and now they suddenly hace standards ?
  • It's obvious that the people who don't seem to get why this is so wrong... a) don't have a daughter
    b) are most likely male
    c) are the target audience for an event like this
  • Seriously. It's hilarious how there is only one demographic taking the opposing side on this defending it. They don't question why no women are fine with it and why there are so many guys upset too.
  • You can't always tell the demographics of the poster.
  • And why the **** did they invite Tumblr to this event?
  • Only in self-righteous America is this a problem. What a joke. I know you're descendants of puritans but FFS enough with the political correct bullsh*t. Stop being over sensitive about everything. There will be ALWAYS someone complaining about something. Always. The important should be if the majority liked it or not. Nothing else. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • As far as I'm concerned, any and all social crusaders complaning about things as petty as this can go f**k themselves. Social crusaders don't care about humanity, they only care about virtue signalling and buffing their personal reputations. Leave the dancers alone.
  • You're the one displaying a reckless lack of empathy, so you probably shouldn't call others out for a lack of caring for humanity.
  • So attractive women in attractive nothing and dancing in a place where there is a target demographic for such things. Calm down people. There is no problem here.
  • None you choose to see.
  • Obviously, whoever complained didn't attend any E3 from the late 90s/early 2000s, where "booth babe" is normal at almost every single booth.
  • That's why they don't have booth babes at E3 any more, because it alienated some members of the industry.
  • 'Obviously, whoever complained didn't attend any E3 from the late 90s/early 2000s"
    Right, but that has (thankfully) stopped now because it was crass. Imagine bringing your 10 year old daughter to E3 or your wife only to have booth babes everywhere. Even I thought it was patronizing (and made me feel bad for gamers, who already have the "lonely guy in the basement" stereotype going for them).
  • People are complaining about halfnaked woman? WTF!?
  • At a FREAKING PARTY!!?? This definitely takes the cake of most ridiculous controversy.
  • Yeah, people who attended. Who weren't white, college-aged males who don't have girlfriends. It's also weird to have go-go dancers at a party for video game nerds especially when Microsoft foots the bill. for it.
  • Try not finding a halfnaked lady at comic con where there are plenty of "videogame nerds"
  • That's an extremely weak argument.
  • Comiccons are still misogynistic.  News at 11.   (sorry to re-use, but seriously, people seem to think that finding some event more misogynistic than the gaming industry somehow excuses the gaming industry.  Whats next, strip clubs?)
  • Race. Classic. You enjoy beating that straight, white male horse excuse apparently. I guess that diverse "inclusivity" doesn't apply to your argument. Because this, like EVERYTHING that ills the world must be a straight, white male's nefarious doing.
    ....
    The race implication is an act of desperation. Surely you can share your point without the politician style theatrics. Remember, diversity and inclusiveness includes straight, white males it doesn't exclude them. So it'd be nice if your comment didn't read like a last ditch effort to drum up votes to a downward spiraling campaign strategy.
    ....
    But I guess one man's dead horse is another mans point of reference. Any who....try again.
  • Complaining over everything, I have been to events and didn't care that they were dancing women. It's like whatever seen that before, and the same goes where I have seen both men and women dancing. I don't want to say this was a woman who complained, but it was unnecessary to. And I'm sure the dancers are thinking thanks for f**king up my next gig with Microsoft.
  • Wimps
  • What has this world come to? Now we can't have scantily dressed woman dancing at a party because some F-Tard felt uncomfortable. You should have left. No one likes a wiener or a snitch.
  • I now right! :D
    And they didn't when put pictures here in the post. XD
  • It's hilarious, this new reasoning. As we live in an age of perpetual offense. Trying to please everyone is impossible, but it's hilarious to watch you folks break your backs whilst you bend over trying....
    Get a thick skin and realize what is displayed isn't representative of you or your gender. It was a party/event, get a life and move on. As I'm sure you'll be late to your next outcry of offense if you dabble to long on this serious "outrage."
    ....
    Really, folks. Can you not be strong in your own ability as an individual to not be offended by every single thing.
    ....
    Good luck with your so called "inclusivity." ☺
  • So ugly women complained. That's why they are ugly in the first place.
  • That's a very ugly thing to say, Yin.
  • It was a party with GoGo dancers? Most clubs or dance events have them. They weren't or are stripper. All the GoGo dancers I know love the fact that they get paid to dance and have fun. Usually they or the production team picks out the outfit to match the theme of the party. This whole thing is non news.
  • I was hoping they put images in the post. XD XD XD
    Just kidding.
  • Massive loss of respect to Microsoft for apologizing and giving in to these perpetually-butthurt professional victims.  
  • I'm so sick to death of all this PC crap
  • An appropriate and responsible response from leadership. Good to see.
  • You know, many self-respecting men and women are rightfully disgusted by this sort of thing. Microsoft cannot afford to alienate fans who do not expect rated R performances at get togethers like this.
  • You know many, self-respecting men and women are rightfully not disgusted by this sort of thing. Microsoft cannot afford to alienate fans with this sort of PC pandering
  • It's cheap and offensive and it's also just wrong.
  • I agree it is cheap offensive and just plain wrong to pander to the perpetually offended brigade
  • What I don't understand is that Microsoft releases a defective product, the Surface Book, and there are a lot of justified complaints, and months later they issue a buried apology in a forum, and still haven't issued a public apology. For the dancers there is an immediate apology. Why can't there be a formal immediate apology for the Surface Book? Yes they fixed it but still there should be an apology.
  • Where's the video? I want to see some footage of this party before I say anything.
  • I have honestly never known a woman that does not appreciate femininity and respect dancers. And along with dancing the video game industry is extremely gratuitous with every 3d modeled woman character. Society, including women, appreciate these things as beautiful art. And at this particular club venue, this was edgy but not inappropriate. Grow up people, this is not your mom's basement.
  • Boldt, thank you, baby. Very well said.
  • Working with millennials must be such a nightmare.
  • White knight social justice warriors are why we now have to deal with Trump in America. This garbage is just fuel for their fire.
  • this is just smoke screen to take away attention from broken windows 10 mobile promises
  • Not to mention the sorry state of Xbox.
  • Now lets get rid of the games that objectify women. And men.
  • It certainly is not the kind of image I associate with the Xbox brand. I am glad Phil is taking it seriously.
  • Ding Ding all aboard the outrage bus!!! There is more important things going on in the world to worry about than this.
  • Ok not wanting to upset or demean anyone here but present a different perspective to this. Many years ago I studied at a preforming arts college, (like fame for those old enough to remember) and we had musicians, actors and dancers. This was their chosen profession, (not seedy, exploitive just an art form) played all sorts of gigs as a group including corporate events. So the nub of this rambling is this without events like this where do professional dancers gig? Without this kind of event aren't the shock horror people narrowing the choices of dancers into the more exploitive areas of the profession? So long as they were there to encourage people to dance, laugh and have a good time then that's all a professional performing artist wants to achieve.
  • You're absolutely right I happen to know a lady who does these sort of things corporate party's,pit girl etc and she vehemently defends her right to do it. she also says that on the whole most women are very supportive of it. People should start looking at it from the perspective of women that do these things and on the whole they are well paid intelligent girls putting themselves through college or what not. Not dumb exploited women that some people would have you believe that are being forced to do it.
  • So body shaming the dancers and excluding them, making it a bad thing to hire them for events, is now defined as being inclusive and encouraging diversity
  • I love how perception is a major issue in this case but when perception was brought up with Belfiore using an iPhone it was shut down (probably by some of the same people bringing it up now) like it was the stupidest concept ever.   For the record though, yea dumb idea to only have female dancers.  Have both genders, or neither, so there is less reason for people to complain.
  • The majority of people don't give a damn about this sort of thing.  It's a damn shame that we've allowed the crying minority to rule over so much.