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Microsoft quietly kills their 3D Touch Windows Phone codenamed 'McLaren'

Starting this fall, Microsoft was poised to release a new high-end Windows Phone featuring their new gesture technology dubbed 3D Touch. The project originally went by the name 'Goldfinger' but later moved to the prototype device stage under the moniker 'McLaren'. It was to be released on at least three US carriers simultaneously in addition to wider availability.

Windows Phone Central has confirmed with multiple sources familiar with the matter that Microsoft is completely canceling McLaren. In effect, this leaves Microsoft in a potentially vulnerable position this fall as the hardware and services company does not have any flagship Windows Phones, to our knowledge, in the pipeline.

Although the timing of this report coincides with the recent layoffs and reorganization plans at Microsoft, the decision to cancel McLaren was made within the last few weeks, prior to yesterday's news. The reasons for canceling McLaren range from cost to Microsoft being unable to move beyond the proposal stage for interactive usages with the technology. The news of the cancellation is so recent that current GDR2 roadmaps still show McLaren and 3D Touch slated for later this year.

3D Touch and Mixview

McLaren, along with Windows Phone 8.1 Update 2, was supposed to be the launch device for Microsoft's new 3D Touch technology. Although how McLaren's sensors worked is a bit of a mystery (they were not cameras), the technology had been in the works for as early as November last year as reported by the Verge. Aspects of McLaren likely came from Microsoft's work on Kinect. It was hardware issues that delayed the release of McLaren, with Microsoft missing the spring 2014 launch with Windows Phone 8.1.

The APIs for the technology – including Hover, Mixview, and 3D Touch – were present in the current Windows Phone 8.1 SDK, though hidden from the public. Instead, a program extension downloaded from Microsoft was needed to make the "Hover events" visible. Additionally, there is a Nokia 3D Touch SDK for documentation.

Developers used the 3D Touch tools with early access to cultivate and test apps with the new technology starting earlier in May. In effect, Microsoft was fielding ideas from developers on how best to use these gestures. Microsoft provided proposals, but they wanted to see what developers would do with it. Unfortunately, that program concluded a few weeks ago with little success.

One of the more rousing aspects of Microsoft's 3D Touch is Mixview, which bore a striking resemblance to a UI element from the Zune software years ago (seen above). We reported on Mixview back in June, revealing details of how it worked. In summary, Mixview enables a single Tile to "explode" into numerous mini Tiles, each with a designated function. The trigger for Mixview is holding your finger over a Tile and then pressing down, in the air, hence the 3D Touch nomenclature.

A real world example of Mixview could be for the Facebook Tile, which could "explode" and reveal a user's latest messages, photos, posts, and more. The smaller tiles were deep links to already existing areas within the app, and they were open to developers to use how they wished. Whereas a single Live Tile could have two sides, Mixview tiles could have up to eight.

Additional 3D Touch gestures included swipes, side taps, and even using heatmap data.

More than a gimmick?

Although the idea of using touchless "3D" gestures to interact with a smartphone is enticing, the question of whether it is more than a gimmick constantly hounded the development process. Companies, including Samsung, had explored touchless gesture technology before but never to the level in which Microsoft took it. However, it seems that Microsoft was unable to move the project further to guarantee a consistent, workable, and usable consumer experience.

Interestingly, Microsoft and touchless gestures go back to 2008, meaning none of this is particularly new. However, this was the first time that Microsoft took the project all the way to the prototype phase, including making tentative deals with carriers to launch the phone this November. In fact, Nokia had initiated some advances in this area, including their "peek" function for Glance, which lets users turn on the display clock by hovering their hand over the display.

All of this is not to say that Microsoft has given up on 3D Touch as the company is still actively researching the technology. Nevertheless, these touchless gestures are evidently not ready for developers or consumers, and Microsoft is holding back until they feel the innovation is more than just a novelty.

Additionally, Windows Phone has recently seen much more success at the entry level price range rather than high-end, so it remains to be seen if this decision damages further Windows Phone adoption by the public.

Combined with the recent Kinect setbacks with the Xbox One, it is clear that the public – or perhaps the technology itself – is not quite yet ready for mass adoption. Microsoft has learned some hard lessons over Kinect as the state-of-the-art accessory has not exactly caused a revolution in game interaction.

Although McLaren is dead in the water for now, the thinking lives on and may see another day in future handsets. Indeed, reports of future flagship Windows Phones for later this fall still persist.

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

1000 Comments
  • Whyyyuyy!!!!
  • They probably thought it wouldn't sell maybe and they want to allocate the money to somewhere else or they fired the dev team. Either way, this soldifies me getting a Lumia Icon. 
  • Glad I got my 930 today. Hovering etc should stay with gimmicky Samsung, imho.
  • I agree with you. In the las post about the 3D touch, I stated what have been stated in this article. With consideration of samsung's attempt, I really didnt find this all too exciting as much as I found it to be merely another reason for price inflation.  But I really didnt see Microsoft releasing the McLaren anytime soon. With the delay of the L930 and their plan to release follow up devices early next year, that would just cause an interference in their sales.  But for the sake of those who were interested in the 3D touch, I hope Microsoft stays commited to the development of such a device. Anyway now,I have a better hope to see the +1525 too. Previously it was rumored that it might also have the 3D touch, which meant I would have to come out same time or after the McLaren debuts. But now, with microsoft droping the McLaren, maybe they might just focus on the new Phablet and release it sooner than later.  They hadn't even fully optimized their Phablet before jumping into the development of 3D touch, I wonder when they would have fully optimized the 3D touch devices if they were released. I know why Microsoft works with such divided attention. They should focus on one thing and fully develop it before they go wondering about. They are the epitome of a Jack of al trade and master of none (well with the exclusion of the WP 8.1 which I personally consider the best mobile OS out there). With the rumored release of an iPhablet and the Note 4, Microsoft really need a new release/u grade to stay relevent in the Phablet competition. And even more, provide a much better optimization for the large screen WP devices. 
  • If they concentrate on phablet, they've lost a customer here. Stupid worthless devices.
  • Stupid and worthless for you.
  • Well, regardless phablets aren't a good solution to push your phones into the public simply because of their size.  Small hands don't fare well with 5.5-6" screens.  Even the new LG G3 is a bit daunting for single-handed use and I have larger than average hands, and it's one of the better phablet-like handsets I've used so far. Killing of McLaren is a bad idea.  Suspension would have been better, but if this means there wouldn't be a flagship Lumia product this fall in markets like the US, Microsoft are going to lose the tiny foothold they've struggled so hard to get.  The 930 is a good product, but like it or not Microsoft need to compete in their home market where Android and iPhones run wild.  I want to get a new fast handset because my 1020, while a nice phone, doesn't have the power to run the camera app how it should be run and there are so many sleek options out there these days.  I'm rooting for WP, but Microsoft or a partner better put out something in the US soon that can turn heads or they're going to destroy all that positive press garnered from the 8.1 impressions.
  • Totally agree with your comment on McLaren. I am starting to doubt MS commitment to the platform itself. Since they acquired NOKIA nothing really positive has come out from MS. I am a 1020 user. As much as i love it, it's long in the tooth & the size of 1520 kept me from getting one. Now if we don't have a flagship that can compete with iPhone 6. I think it's time to start writing the WP obituary by end of 2015. I hope MS shows more commitment & love to their mobile platform & get aggressive with some advertising.
  • I don't doubt their committment to the platform.  The 930 is an excellent device but isn't carried by any US service providers and seems to be pretty scarce overall in North America at the moment.  That handset is a step in the right direction.  It has a good camera, large screen with high detail (1080p), quad-core CPU, aluminum edges, isn't heavy and carries a decent battery.  If Microsoft can drive that design a little bit further they'll have a winner.  Plus Windows Phone 8.1 and its updates are a strong indicator that Microsoft is pushing to bring their software to parity with competing platforms, which is more important than the best hardware. We could luck out and see LG, Sony, Samsung or HTC drop excellent handsets later this year but the lack of news is discouraging for the platform as the mob is fickle and can lose interest with the slew of handsets and updates coming out for Android and the new iPhone coming up sometime before the end of 2014.
  • I am hoping Sony to make one. That would be nice. Icon on Verizon. Wonder when that will show up on AT&T. I would jump at it. As much as I love 1520, it's too big for me. Also since they dumped Asha line & X phone, I hope they will be laser focused on Lumia promote the brand as Lumia.
  • Getting sick of this. They should have pushed hard from the very beginning by making sure all the carriers had a variety of WP devices no matter how much it costed them. They have the cash for it. They should have pushed hard with posters and banners and devices all over the place. Instead, they've fixed it to where WP is a niche product.
  • Yes, the mob is fickle, I sold my 1520 because they never could fix the touch problem. Bought a G3, doubt I will look back unless they FINALLY come out with something that works and is in the 5-5.5" range. I don't think we will see any manufacturers release WP phones, I think MS is flying solo on this and has no clue as to what to do.
  • Guess you have been out of touch. At least half a dozen OEM's have announced they are releasing WP phones. A few of them are already in the market and a few more in a month or so.
  • They seem to act like a company in confusion, no real direction.
  • You guys (and myself) need to stop reading this shit. Everything will work out fine...
  • wow, stop whining about MS not doing anything, they have had control of Nokia for like 3 months or so, it takes a long time to get everything up to speed, they are not making red lolipops here, there are other high end devices coming this year, dont worry.
  • Hmmmm... Red lolipops.
  • Then why did they bother buying Nokia, with all those headaches, and not be committed? Then again, this is MS were talking about here.
  • Firstly, Microsoft hasnt given up on the 3D touch. The article clearly stated:       All of this is not to say that Microsoft has given up on 3D Touch as the            company is still actively researching the technology. And secondly, it also stated there will be other flagship phones this fall.  And lastly, wether you and "some people" like it or not, Phablet is rapidly growing, and Microsoft need to put in more work to optimize its phablets. And that doesnt mean they should ignore other phones.  Samsung didnt ignore their other phones when it released the note, and i doubt apple will when they release their iPhablet.
  • Common sense prevails :D
  • Don't think anyone said anything about Microsoft killing 3D touch in this line of comments.  Phablets are growing because they didn't exist before.  It's easy for a product to grow when they didn't exist previously.  They will continue to grow, but don't expect any explosions for consumers.  Phablets seem to cater more toward business demographics.  That's not to say that consumers can't get just as much out of them, but having worked plenty with mobiles and getting feedback from consumers across all the major platforms, the convenience of having a device that can easily fit into a pocket still holds greater value than a near-tablet.
  • I bet in the next big release of iOS for the iPhone; there will be a form of 3D touch in the iPhone.  Critics and pundits will say - how innovating Apple is and print tons of articles on it!  LOL!
  • When I say concentrate on Phablets, I dont mean throwaway all other phones.
    But compared to other companies, windows phones is still far behind when it comes to optimization for their phablets, and they really need to put more resources into that before they talk of another range of phones (3D touch where they would need to optimize again.
  • I know. I want a high end spec phone that isn't too big
  • I agree, phablets are just plain ridiculous...
  • I thought the same about phablets until I got a1520. But of course this not my only phone either. I use the m8 half the time and 1520 the other half. Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • I was just like you, M8 and 1520, but the 1520 had too many issues to be a daily driver, now it's just G3 for me even though I still have the M8. Part of the problem too is that those 2 devices used the Nano sim and the G3 uses Micro, tired of switching.
  • So don't buy one and quit complaining sweetness. millions of people are buying phablets around the world.
    phablets are just plain useful crying about them is just plain ridiculous
  • Totally agree.  looking forward to an 6.2"-6.5" size for 2015!  5.7" is looking kind of small to me now and cramp.  Need to upsize again.
  • How is my 1520 stupid, and worthless?... It works the same as your phone, except it has a bigger screen....
    ...........
    It's closed minded, prehistoric thinking consumers like you that are the reason MS had to cancel McLaren...
  • That's quite all right as millions of people aren't crybabies and love phanlets
  • This. We need a perfect flagship, not a gimmicky flagship.
  • +1
  • +1.. And it kind of makes sense given that Windows RT and Windows Phone OSes are going to merge and work based on the device size. So a flagship phone around the time of the next big release called "Threshold" with this new OS baked in would make perfect sense. No point in building the 3D touch on a OS that will retire soon. And as Tom Warren stated, Microsoft has not killed off 3D Touch for Windows Phone, but it has killed off the McLaren device. There will be other high-end phones soon and it may not be during the holiday season as Threshold is not due then so just keep pushing 930 and 1520 till Spring when Win7, Win8, WP8 etc will all merge to Win9. Looking forward to Spring 2015!
  • They may also be trying to avoid a Lumia 900 situation. If Threshold doesn't support current Windows Phones then releasing a new flagship right before wouldn't be the right choice.
  • All it shows is they have no direction and leadership.  Time to jump ship.
     
  • If threshold doesn't support current phones then Microsoft can go to hell.
  • Sigh. Well, we'll just have to wait to see this arrive on other flagship devices running Android an maybe even IOS, and then we can get about whining again on how Microsoft could have been first with something new and original again, but AGAIN missed the boat on implementation. "yeah, but they though of it first!" "Oh? What Windows Phone/Windows RT has this feature then?"   Microsoft; always having bright ideas and giving them away for free to the competition. Maybe they should lay off some of the people who come up with these ideas too. Might help the platform 'evolve' some more. Until there is nothing left that is.
  • @2tomtom 110% agree with you. Can you imagine being sat on public transport with loads of people looking like they are conducting an orchestra. Still, the flappy bird man could make a ferociously addictive scissors paper stone game lol
  • LOL conducting an orchestra :D I have asked S5 owners if they use hover etc on a daily basis. All have said no, if that means anything.
  • 930 is just a minaturised 1520 lacking features. Outdated and not a flagship. Microsoft have until November to impress me with a non phablet flagship, or ill just go back to iPhone. I was very odd Microsoft buying Nokia as they were there only company making windows phone worth owning. Looks like I had good reasoning.
  • Hate to agree but I do 100%
  • I dont know what you mean by "Outdated and not a flagship". Can you name some features that other manufacturers flagship have that the L930 doesnt? Start with the S5 and M8.
  • wow again, what are you guys thinking, it takes a month to make a phone and reorganise a complete company???? stop with the whining already, new high end devices are coming, just not the gimmicky 3d touch stuff which really not ready for primetime right now.
  • High end devices which won't be able to be updated to Threshold.  More Lumia 900 bricks coming.
  • I also hate to agree but If MS doesnt come up with a 1020 sucessor by Nov/Dec Im going back to Iphone. 
  • You must be a non-US resident or ordered it overseas
  • UK resident. Got the phone, wireless charger and speaker. Cost me £9.99 and continuation of contract. But, if a must have WP device appears next year my 920 and 930 will be sold :D I know others here want more but this is perfect for me ❤
  • What network?? I'm still waiting for Vodafone to get their ass into gear (as usual)
  • On EE and sent from my 930 :D They should have it in stock now, noticed comments on WP Central over the last few days that people had received their 930s.
  • Just waiting till Nov. As soon as I can upgrade iPhone 6 here I come.
  • I keep reading these comments here and all over the internet, I bailed already, but if true, it's all over for whatever fanbase MS acquired, too many promises and not enough deliveries.
  • How long are we supposed to wait.  We've waited enough.  Enough.
  • Combined the three below - 
    -- McLaren has been shelved 
    -- No signs that 930 is coming to US (although Lumia Icon is essentially Verizon exclusive version of it)
    -- Verizon launched a new ALLSET prepaid plan with LTE  I am switching to Lumia Icon and Verizon - no question anymore.
  • Sure you will enjoy :D
  • People are buying flagships 700$ and no problem with them n why would they think they wont sell it
  • In some foreign countries $700 phones do sell well, but contracts allow the playing field to be more even price wise, so when people buy phones they buy into ecosystems, Windows is an alternate ecosystem and not everyone wants to buy into it when they are used to the usual Android and iOS stuff.
  • Because none of their previous flagships sold and if it is running Windows Phone 8.1 it won't be any different. Why are people suddenly going to buy a device when they haven't even given them the time of day for 4 years?
  • It can be a target for other OSes flagships. MS may lure S5 and iphone owners to new WP flagships. There is a very big market outher for flagships. They're just not for MS as MS has nothing to impress *yet*
  • Samsung user are easy to get them to switch over!  But iPhone Users are pretty hard to impossible to do for now.  iPhones have status and are used by the powerful in media - Hollywood celebritie, fashion models, national network anchors, etc...  Along with that their are tons of Apple fanboys that just are in love with everything Apple.  They are very, very loyal!  I have never seen an Apple fan; switch ever!  I think a couple of times they receive non Apple devices and they sell them untried.      
  • News like this and lack of true high-end support from 3rd party makes it seem MS is racing to the bottom with affordable hardware, conceding high-end to Apple and Android. The Happy-Meal strategy.
  • Microsoft may double down on software and 3rd party home stuff. We don't know. All I know is they have a couple phones out on every carrier that you can get, so there is still choice in devices and seeing how light and less intensive WP is, I have to say the 801 processor and 3GB or RAM would have done little in performance against a 800 and 2GB of RAM.
  • You mentioned they have couple of phones out on every carrier that one can get. We are talking highend phones here because the subject matter is about Mclaren. I am with T-Mobile on JUMP program and have Lumia 925 almost 9 months ago, JUMP alows you to change phones every 6 months, Well L925 is the only high end phone T-Mobile has and have since been unable to change it to anything, When I read about McLaren for all carriers, that news made me happy for a change, now there will not ba any McLaren and L925 is still the only high end WP that stupid  T-Mobile has. I am realy pissed off with both Microsoft and T-Mo, IMO; right now both of them are bunch of Nincompoops.
  • Well, for T-Mobile you may have to sit tight. Is your phone performing so badly you can't stand anymore? Or do you want to upgrade just for the hell of it? Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • Kindly read my prior reply well and the reason I gave are all there. It clearly states that I joined the JUMP program meaning in addition to paying full price for the phone, I am paying $10 per month extra that allows me to change phones every 6 months withing that 24 months period. I also stated above that I have now had my first phone (L925) on this JUMP program for the last 9 months since I joind JUMP(meaning I have not been able able to JUMP to anything WP). Now I could have JUMP to Android high end or iPhone, but I am a WP big time fan who in my opinion is been screwed right now by both Microsft and T-Mobile based on the news that you and I are commenting on. I can only hope you get what I am alluding to. Which is that I opted for faster WP high end refresh rate and paid and still paying for through the said program that is not forth coming. As such, your statements; Is my L925 performing so badly; or can't I wait; or do I just want to upgade for upgrade sake are not fair, justified or even correllated to my situation that I clearly painted on my very firat response. All the 3 major carriers have this type of program in one form or another, while this program type was pioneered by TMO, they are the only one not making WP flagship or high end device available and MSFT just made it worse by cancelling McLaren (Allegedly, by cirturee of this article i question) which is my plight and my beef.
  • Yeah,, T-Mobile called Nokia and forced them to make the 1520 and 1020 AT&T exclusives.  They're also the reason the ICON is a Verizon exclusive.  Releasing those three phones on every carrier was Microsofts/Nokias chance to gain market share and they blew it. The market is getting so saturated now that they may not get another chance in the high-end market.      You can buy an unlocked 1520.3 or an unlocked 1020 but you'd have to pay full price up front.   With the new CEO at MS and the mass layoffs at Nokia I'm not confident in the future of Windows phone.  I was also waiting for a new flagship but I've decided to move on.      
  • You assume the other carriers cared about the 1020 or 1520. You really think Microsoft wouldn't have sold them to every carrier that would take them? AT&T was the only choice they had.
  • Took the words right out of my mouth. This needs to be resolved. L925 is nice... But I feel like I'm being scammed. TMo probably knows we'll wait. Not fair
  • How exactly is this T-Mobile's fault? Microsoft is the big screwup here.
  • With McLaren, YES you are absolutely correct. With WP high End (Exclusivity) Is clearly T-Mo's fault. If you look at the 3 major carriers' WP portfolio, Verizon has quite some list including the new ICON, AT&T is loaded up. For folks like me that un-wittenly chose JUMP program and are WP loyalist, T-Mo screws us up. The reason is, the carrier have to request for exclusivity which T-Mo is not doing. If you look at their only high end that I have (Lumia 925), it is not exclusive because AT&T customers have a piece of that pie also. It realy does not have to be exclusive, T-Mo just seems to not kige a rat ass about high end WP, because if they do, they should be asking for one and that is where I blame them. I am learning my lesson, I might be better off relying on Amazon for high end WP that works on T-Mo in the future versus me every doing their JUMP programs again. Who knows, MSFT just like they just made 1020 vaialable unlocked on thier store available for T-Mo and AT&T with LTE connection, might make more AT&T high ends available with LTE for T-Mo in the future. As a WP fan, I just feel robbed my TMO with their JUMP program.
  • Exactly. We also want a high end Lumia because some Cyan features only work on processors with 800 or above. I don't know why people still try to defend t mobile. I have yet to see any real effort from them. Lumia 710, still no 7.8. Lumia 810, still no Black update. Lumia 925, one of the slowest in the world to get the black update, and no longer an exclusive. Lumia 521 (520) and 635 are both on ATT. Basically, ATT just has the same phones as us plus a lot more.
  • That JUMP program really only benefits one party, and that's T-Mobile.
  • I'm with you. I'm on T-Mobile and the lack of high-end Windows phone sucks. Really if they just offered the 930 I would be happy. My mother who is also on T-Mobile would've switch from Android if she could've gotten a 1020 but alas.
  • Well, don't buy phones on contract, seems like the easiest solution.
  • As painful as your input sounds some like me that would have loved faster refresh of WP (every 6 months vs 24 months) and willing to pay that extra $240 for that refesh over 24 months YOU ARE CORRECT, I actually conceeded to that thought process in one of my response threads earlier above. While its true I am pissed off, I don't plan to run away from WP, and I love my T-Mo picing plans, I do agree that I bet wrong on T-Mo JUMP program when it comes to WP. I just need a different strategy on getting high end windows phones if I still want to stay with T-Mo.
  • Im in the same situation as u except not in the jump program and want a high end windows phone for t-mobile
  • As a WP fan, leaving T-Mobile was just so... liberating. :)
  • Yeah, because this phone not coming out at all is totally T-Mobile's fault. Hope you're enjoying your crappy low data speeds and ridiculously high prices.
  • I do enjoy my consistent data speeds, speeds I get where T-Mobile is non-existent.  And my bill is lower than it was on T-Mobile. If you consider that ridiculously high, T-Mobile's prices could only be described as ludicrous by you. :) But despite all that, you miss the point.  I now have the freedom to choose and use almost any WP device I want.  No more carrier envy.  and THAT was liberating.
  • All be it only 8 mbps capped on your Ghetto Cricket plan!!! LOL... Troll!!! Remember me from Tmonews? Your worst nightmare!!! You trying to sell Cricket isn't going to work here kid! AT&FLEE ' S Purchase of Leap is a complete failure!!! Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • +1,000,000!!! Yup, that person is a complete and utter troll who has nothing better to do than pimp AIO/Cricket/ATT in anything and everything having to do with T-Mobile. Pretty sad, huh?
  • I can't say your myopia is enlightening, but your tears are delicious. :)
  • I get Better phones, better coverage, better prices. You're really missing out. Your company website could really use some modernization as well.
  • No, it's YOU who misses the point. Nobody cares about your constant bashing of T-Mobile or your pimping of Cricket every chance you get. You're a bore and a troll, plain and simple. Why don't you do yourself a favor and get out more? Have a GREAT day! ;-)
  • I switched to AIO from T-Mobile and the difference was huge. I now get LTE even when I am up in the mountains where I would previously get nothing on T-Mobile. I haven't noticed a difference being capped to 8Mb/s(I use utorrent constantly too!). It is tough to saturate even that on a cell phone and the reliability more than makes up for it. The cherry on top is the $20 a month I save when you add taxes and fees on T-Mobile.
  • @a895-true
  • It really depends on what clock speed it is set inside the chip.  But the 801 has battery saving technology built in to the SoC and has higher screen resolution capacities as well as better graphic performance.  The 805 is suppose to be a little better but not really that much! 
  • @Brans0217 Couldn't agree more. I've purchased the HD7, Venue pro, Titan, Lumia 900, 920, 1020, 1520, 635 and the 8x. I'm really getting tired of playing catch up and will probably move to Android soon. Gimmicks or not at least Apple and Google offer their customers something other than broken promises.
  • what are you really playing catch up with, the 925 out performs the iphone 5s, is not as buggy and is a better quality device, with 8.1/cyan on it is an excellent phone. DONT just buy a phone cause of specs, buy it because it performs well.
  • Agree totally
  • @lain_S what are you saying, 925 can't catch up with iPhone 5s , the iPhone 5s out performs the 930
  • Apple will "invent" 3D touch in a few years and people will love it...
  • +929
  • +ICON
  • Well said
  • Then you will know how Android fans felt at the iOS 8 event.
  • They will probably make it so that it works correctly and is actually useful.
  • You mean like apple maps?.....yeah.
  • My thoughts exactly..in a few years, we'll see it released on an iPhone and then months later, when MSFT releases theirs, it will be like a knock off..
    Makes me remember old (very old) windows laptops of mine that had fingerprint readers..or old tablet/portable PCs we used at work/site ages before ipads came out
  • Agreed
  • No it wont, Takee 1 has a Holographic phone, people will get that over 3D. I'll bet Microsoft is making 1 too. Better than Takee 1 phone with Cortana Hologram.
  • Hmmm, going to check that out ;)
  • Its not really Holographic Takee 1 has, cause its focused on where your eyes is with 4 cameras. So u will always see the top and front of the hologram. U can't just put the phone down on a table and walk around to see all sides. So its sort off holographic but not 100%. But its good to see someone is busy on it. YouTube has a vid available to watch ;)
  • They would probably just change the name to air touch or something and everyone will love it
  • Lol. Remember when Microsoft warned us about something that would "upset the whole world"? This was it, I guess, because it sure as hell upset all of us here.
  • Let's get this staright, eevryone was pinning there hopes on an unconfirmed rumor? I mean there is more to come, may not be the most high end, but there will be more.
  • Even more low-to-mid level phones and reparations rather than innovation is what we have to look forward to? Jeez...I can hardly wait for the paint to dry.
  • you hit the nail on the head, people need to stop whining about unconfirmed rumours all the time. There are high end windows phones coming soon, would you rather ms release a phone with touch 3d that performed badly just so you can say i have a touch 3d phone, dont be stupid people.
  • You make me cry........
  • Nailed it
  • While I don't know what exactly this thing will be, I feel like this is not what they were talking about...
  • nah, that "upset the whole world" was not McLaren, it's probably the ability to run Android apps on WP devices.
  • Microsoft has not killed off 3D Touch for Windows Phone, but it has killed off the McLaren device. There will be other high-end phones soon. (https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/490122097642196993)
  • I saw it, people need to relax, they are worse than Microsoft and WP trolls.
  • Thanks for the update. :) Looks like I was smart in buying my Icon when I did. :)
  • So true
  • +ICON
  • Microsoft should trademark "Soon" and make it their corporate logo.
  • Lol
  • LMAO!! Comment of the week right there.
  • Blizzard has already taken that, i stopped following video games so heavily because of the length of time it takes for any rumors or first announcments to come to fruition. I though "hey, smartphones develop fast" and got my self a windows phone and started following smartphones more heavily, only to find that Microsoft does things at a snails pace, just like the video game industry lol
  • LOL!
  • Well, LG is pushing a phone with a QHD screen, Apple is supposed to have some unbreakable phone coming out, curved screen phones..... It's all gimmicky. The whole smart phone market is sold on gimmick. Hell Android itself is a gimmick. If you're only going to release technology with far reaching implications, don't be pissed when Android releases this stuff on a million handsets first. If nothing else, phones are a perfect platform to gauge adoption and practicality. High end products help the pedigree of the low end devices.
  • How is shatterproof glass, "gimmicky"?
  • Sapphire is scratch proof. Shatters like a pro actually Posted via the WPC App for Android!
  • Not really very different than Gorilla Glass actually, not to mention the fact that fractures often occur at a sctratch site, so resistance to scratching is a huge plus for durability.
  • Dude, come take a look at my "gimmicky" G3, I assure you that you will be blown away. I have had the 920, 1520, and went to an M8 and now to the G3, there is nothing gimmicky about it, it is awesome.
  • G3, good lord.
  • I got my Icon the other day, its awesome. Although I do hope Cyan brings back the double tap to awake feature.
  • double tap to wake is present on the 930, so when cyan is released for verizon it should be good to go on the icon too.
  • Hahaha..now everyone wants to get L930 or icon, that's what MS wanted to boost the sales of it and release McLaren when WP9 is available.
  • What????!! You getting a WP???
  • MS KEEPS ON SURPRISING USSSSSS WTHHH
  • Finding out you have cancer is a surprise too.
  • LOL...... Expected this......:D
  • Microsoft keeps fucking us :(
  • With no Vaseline!
  • With the fat end of a bat...
  • you will be glad its MS and not apple, Because the baby wont be coming anytime in the near future.
  • Eeek. Take him easy
  • "...just a match and a little bit of gasoline." :)
  • WP devices don't have a flagship to compare with other flagships ! Thats a big problem
  • Which other flagships?
  • The iPhone, the Samsung Galaxy, and the HTC One.
  • The iphone? Flagship? Id say flagship if they had a low end device to compare with. Other than a 64 bit processor which is really no big deal, the iphone has half the specs of the 930, minus 3d Dolby recording stuff, worse camera, less resolution screen. May I go on? Samsung gs5, first off doesn't look nice Imo, second, yes it has specs but it needs it because of the software, same with htc one. WP doesn't need that good specs to run smoothly. Try putting android on a lumia 520, (I wish we could, it would be really interesting) and see how it fares. WP on the other hand works well with low specs, so even something as mid range as my 920, runs WP flawlessly, and gaming is good too.
  • Seems you are out of the loop, Android has low end devices that are superior spec wise to Windows Phone. We have no reason to see Android on a 520 specs, as there is a device with better specs at the same price range and performs just as well. Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • Can you give a name? Like to recommend it.
  • Moto G or Moto E?? both run Kitkat nearly as well as 520 runs WP 8
  • Everyone says windows phone is so light on processors. This view keeps getting repeated over and over and over. . My Lumia 920 gets hot enough to cook an egg after 15 mins solid use.
    Is this the famous lightness in evidence? Posted via the WPC App for Android!
  • Really...go to Anandtech and read the benchmarks. Its gaming and speed performances blow everything away. The software doesn't need all those cores, much like WP. Although the display isnt top specs, the color reproduction is awesome. The camera is only beat by Lumia 1020. I can't stand iPhone OS but yea..it's a flagship. Talk about having blinders on..lol
  • i like ur sense of humor
  • What doesn't compare?
  • the 930 already blows all those phones away
  • Yeah, but it isn't available on all carriers. That's the problem.
  • It's not available on any carrier in the U.S.
  • It's the Icon and it's on Verizon.
  • Yeah...i too
  • Microsoft is destroying. It self with this stupid ideas they make , why , why do they do this ???? ,I don't know they came up with 3D touch phone and its a patent I would say , at least make a phone to fight with other. Flagships especially the upcoming iPhone 6 , galaxy f , LG g3 pro
  • MS is killing themselves and killing Nokia (12500 employees leaving, Nokia Mix being sold....). Elop is only wanting cheaper devices. What about we guys waiting for the next flagship??? Definitely I can't consider 930 as the flagship and 1520 is way tooo big for me. The best of your own apps are better on other platforms. Skype??? You've added a lot of good things on WP 8.1 and screwed up Xbox Music, Games and Video. Oh, The photo hub too! MS, i'm really planning to leave you now!
  • I'm really planing to buy a g3 , what's wrong with them , they don't care about costumers , they think they are doing good , but nooo they are killing them selves , 930 isn't a flagship , we want something like gs5 specs or more !!! What's wrong with them , stupids I swear they are stupids
  • There will be something with those specs, just not with 3D touch I suppose.
  • 930 is comparable to GS5, except the CPU.
  • Windows phone doesn't need flagship hardware to run good. And I consider a 930 a flagship, it makes my 920 'flagship' look like a 520.
  • Well considering I have a 1520 with a 64gb memory card and have to delete apps and games every other day I think the 930 doesn't even cover my music
  • No.1 you are very bad at being efficient while using your storage.
    No.2 you probably don't even use half of the apps regularly that you have considering you're filling at least 64 +32 gb which means you might just have downloaded every app there is to download on the store
    No.3 ever thought of cloud storage? Don't tell me that's full too... Wow.
  • No.1: If user has to be "efficient in the storage" on their device, you've failed in your design.
    No.2: Apps are a small fraction of what typically eats storage. High res photos, music, and videos. I offload photos and video from my main camera and GoPro when out and about. I carry a lot of work tools/standards as well.
    No.3: Cloud storage has two problems. First, it necessitates high data plans and second, it is easily accessible by snooping government agencies. If I wanted my shit snooped I'd be using Android.
  • Thank you Novron.
  • Ok yes I agree with you actually, but not many people use or need that much storage. Just to clarify, you also wouldn't get an iphone then?
  • then put a 128gb memory card in it, its a phone not a laptop.
  • Yes because, you know, one only uses the OS and no apps or plays any games... Think for a second first next time.
  • I think apps are sufficient on windows phone now. Its only people with no life who really need the 'full social integration, twitter facebook stuff, and sadly that's most people. WP has all the apps I need and I use all of them. I dont have a single one vacant. And I've only filled 23gb on my 32gb 920, and that's mostly pictures and music
  • "sadly that's most people" is CORRECT! Which is why WP's market share and user base is so low! Which is why dev's DO NOT WANT TO develop for WP in the first place! This news is more than convincing for me to move on! I'm NOT SETTLING for mediocre apps or missing apps/games any longer! As soon as my upgrade is here... im gone... i've been with WP since the beginning... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH...
  • Good for you. I hope you get all the apps and games you need, as every user has different needs. WP is sufficient for me, but it is not sufficient for everyone, so I understand that
  • It's not suffcient for most, if it was i'd have more than a lousy 4 percent of the market.
  • I know its not sufficient for most. But I think that quite a lot of android or iphone users don't even know what WP is and what it actually offers. Yes it is lacking in apps etc. Anyway, that's just my opinion. I found out recently that quite a lot of apple users don't even know that android exists. Were they to know about WP and android they might switch. Who knows? But Microsoft isn't that good at marketing so that's unlikely that they'll know anyway
  • Look at the spec of the 930/ICON and 1520 what doesn't compare?
  • SD card and glance and battery.
  • Though this news doesn't really affect me I'm probably also going to switch with my next phone. For me its the constant promises though. The ideas MS gives you, just stay that, ideas. What about xbox on WP (killed). What about playing xbox games on your xbox and continueing (is that a word?) them on your phone (never there). How many games did even have 'communication' with your xbox, like 3? Take Ms Splosion Man. How hard can it be to save the Highscore on your XBOX and fetch them to your phone so your phone understands which levels you've done with which time (only played the demo, sorry if the full version did this)? What about great Smartglass integration? Dead Rising had some great ideas (never played it) but now other plattforms get specific apps and Smartglass more ore less just stays a remote for your console (what do I have a controller for again?). Though this points are xbox concerns the list continues with normal features for me. Facebook integration (nothing like before), Messenger integration (killed), Skype integration (nothing like they made us believe), Hubs (killed), Zune (killed). The list goes on for me, but I'll end my rant here. I know they are trying to do good stuff and you can list me features they've added for the good, but for me they've killed what made Windows Phone unique.
  • I'm upset because back on wp7 and even when wp8 dropped we were promised Zune HD apps to be ported #AudioSurftilt yet not a single one has made a move in almost 3 years
  • Yes, you are so right. And even kingkoopa is right, too.
  • Your not ranting brotha! You're just speaking the truth!
  • Yup, this news has made the possibility of switching more likely for me. Android L looks mighty fine, and seems to embody many things I liked about Windows Phone to begin with. I don't blame the Windows Phone division for this, but rather the higher ups who don't give them the resources they need to fulfill their goals.
  • So true.
  • So you consider the 1520 a flagship? Let me tell you that except for the size of the screen, the 930 has better overall specs than the 1520, 3d Dolby audio recording etc etc
  • And what else, do you have SD card on your 930?
  • So its not actually hardware which you consider to be flagship? An SD card slot makes all the difference now? I never new what such extremes technology has come to. I do not own a 930 and if I did, I'd get the 32 gb one purely because I don't need that much space. And because not everyone needs as much space as you might do, its still quite a flagship given all other hardware requirements for most other people like me
  • I just don't get why they removed that feature from the 930, I think it should be the same as 1520. This is the inconsitency I blame MS/Nokia, I hope next flagships (if any) don't cut basic stuff.
  • Thank you Allan
  • not everybody cares about having sd expansion. I have a 1520 dont even come close to filling the inbuilt storage, I love the cloud, but for people with limited data on the phone, the sd would make sense. picking up my white 930 tmo.
  • Your my kind of person. Agree totally. That's what I was trying to say earlier but no one really cares about my view. Ah well... +920
  • 1520 has the same chipset features the 930 has. They both use the same Qualcomm chip. 930 is missing double tap to wake (only enabled with cyan "hack"). Did I mention no SD Card on the 930? 1520>930.
  • By these standards: ATIV SE > 1520
  • Directing this to me, or WPUser2?
  • You, and when the hell did a firmware update become a "hack?" That's some bottom of the barrel stupid.
  • Oh, its a hack. The 930's hardware (lack of video memory) prevented it from being a standard feature. Look it up.
  • No, that's glance, not double tap.
  • Icon, no glance/double tap. 930 yes double tap. 1520 still > than930/icon.
  • 930 was released with Cyan on it. Icon gets double tap when Verizon releases Cyan. You have no point here.
    ATIV SE still > 1520
  • Would love to have some of the drugs you are on. Obviously you know nothing about the specs of any of these phones. As it turns out the only reason the 930 has double tap is the "hack", yes I said "hack" again that the Nokia engineers were able to come up with to make it work. Wonder about people on this site anymore, what planet you come from. 
  • If you say so And as the Microsoft engineers were able to come up with a way to let live tiles update every minute without impact on battery, which was not possible on older hardware before 8.1, but is possible on the same hardware with 8.1, would you also call that a hack? Just curious And were not on drugs and we live on planet earth, I think its quite obvious. Its just that different people have different opinions regarding what is flagship, what is a hack etc etc. Something which is a flagship to a 920 owner like myself might not be a flagship to a 1520 owner. And I understand that. Same goes for hack. If you think its a hack, fine by me, as long as your interpretation of the word 'hack' matches what you are describing. Personally I don't think its a hack - that's my opinion, take it or leave it - because my interpretation of the meaning of the word 'hack' different from what Nokia did to the 930 I'm not here to argue. I just want to have a constructive discussion
  • While Double Tap isn't a feature that I have been using on my L920 with WP8.1DP,  Glance (Peek) is one that I use regularly.  With MS/Nokia deciding to put a cheaper AMOLED display without display memory on the Icon/930 (shouldn't go cheap on a flagship), Glance has not been an available feature, which has been the only thing keeping my wife and me from upgrading our 920s.  We had been waiting for the McLaren, but now we'll have to wait and see what the next flagship is and when it may be released. Do you know if the Cyan update will provide Glance functionality for the Icon/930?  If so, we may just do our upgrade now (tired of our 920s regularly getting so hot that they get painful to hold, a common issue with the 920s).
  • Its not a hack. It is an official feature of that cyan firmware. Btw, 930 comes preloaded with cyan anyway, so its like that feature was always there. No SD card on 930 is only a disadvantage to those who need storage. Not many people. 930 has better audio mike recording Dolby stuff. So my point is, for most people, who do not need that much storage, 930 can be considered a flagship
  • 1520 has video memory, the 930 does not. Nokia had to programmagically enable double tap with Cyan. I'll say this again, the 1520 and 930 use the same chipset, which means they have the same hardware features. Once the 1520 gets Cyan, those features that you say the 930 has but the 1520 doesn't, will be enabled. That + SD, advantage 1520.
  • The screen on the 930 and Icon are the same. The 930 has double tap because it was released with Cyan. Every difference between 930 and Icon will be removed once the Icon gets Cyan. Other than carrier radios and color options, they are the same exact phone.
  • what hack???? the 930 has double tap to wake, the only thing the 930 doesnt have is expandable sd storage. but it does have a better screen, better audio, doesnt suffer the bad touch input the 1520 has. so I think the 930 is a step up from the 1520.
  • 1520/930/Icon have the same chipset. Same. Same audio features. 930/Icon have no video memory, which is why Nokia engineers had to make a modification to firmware (Cyan) to make it work. To me, that's a hack. In no way is the 930 a step up. If anything it's a lateral move, if that. 
  • 5.1 Dolby recording IS coming to the 1520. It has all the hardware and more. It is THE flagship WP phone.. End of story!!! People saying that it is too big. What utter rubbish. That is only said by people who haven't used one. The screen is big, but it is probably the thinnest WP device. It is a gorgeous piece of design. the phone may look big if you get any colour other than black. A huge yellow, white or red phone, whatever the screen size, will stand out. All this crap about it being obsolete hardware... Yeah right!!! Even stacked against the latest Android devices it competes, easily... The Snapdragon 805 is only 200Mhz quicker, with a slightly better GPU chipset. How does that make the 1520 out of date? It's laughable!!! 200 Mhz makes no difference, believe me.... But then again, Android needs all the horsepower it can get!! And before anyone starts, I have used the latest Android hardware. As a developer, my job requires it. As they say on the internet these days... Meh!!!! Just waiting for the software to catch up with the hardware on the 1520.
  • I see where you are coming from, but personally I would prefer a device which I can swipe down from the top with the same hand that I am holding the phone with. My 4.5 inch 920 does the job perfectly and the 1520 would probably be too big for me in that case. Otherwise, 1520 has really really good hardware and soecs
  • Well the free mix users are the ones killing the service did they not know that sooner or later they'd have to pay up or leave? Guess they weekly part of the mix refresh I assume was on the chopping block & not part of maintenance
  • I feel the same way. I am asking myself why.....and why i am sticking by the platform. Microsoft has no clue what they are doing with WP or what to do to make the OS perfect and I am a bit tired of being a cheerleader for a pltatform where the player(MS) is so poor in performing when it is time to drop them and replace them i likely will be ordering an iPhone.
  • Microsoft would f'up a free lunch! There should be a post on WPC now. Which OS would you use instead of WP and why?
  • Sounds like a plan.  I'm sure iPhone will have 3D touch.
  • They will not listen to their customers, that is why business and desktop users have not bought into W8 instead are flocking to W7. To really be able to use a desktop with all the full feature programs on W8 you have to install a 3rd party program like Classic Shell. And it looks like Microsoft is going to get out of the higher end cell phones as well with pushing development of lower end cell phones for emerging market nations, how sad.
  • God damn it Microsoft, we're proud of this brand because of its undisputed flagships specs like the camera on the 1020 or the battery on 1520, if there's no flagships then what's the point!, it's like there's no way of talking you out of destroying Nokia, I'm so pissed off by this
  • Looks like they bought Nokia cell phone technology to just eliminate it.
  • Welp. Unless we get a winter Windows Phone, I might end up leaving the platform. There needs to be an updated phone for the holiday season, for sure. The 1520 is still niche (too big for me at least), the 1020 is (regretfully, as I LOVE that camera) outdated, and the Icon is missing Glance and Double tap, which are really, really nice for me. Depending on how impressive future devices from the Android and Apple camp are, I could be convinced. 
  • I feel the same way. Let's see how their promise of launching a high end device "very soon" holds. If nothing interesting is on the way, I might go the Android way (ugh!!).
  • I'm going Blackberry
  • Seriously?
  • Well, it may seem stupid but at least they have all the Android apps without being Android. Posted via WPCentral App.
  • Because gestures without any physical feedback tend to suck, and the problem is amplified with the small screens of smartphones where your own hand is in the way, blocking your only direct feedback, vision, creating confusion. There might be other 3D Touch devices, especially tablets, but who knows. Depending on how versatile it is, I could think of a few ways to use it semi-effectively, but ultimately it feels like a gimmick.
  • I don't care about this 3D phone. Just give me a 1030, with fast picture taking and sdcard support. Preferably a dedicated imaging chip. Then I can die a happy man.
  • ^This^
  • +1020
  • It was a stupid gimmick idea anyway and I'm glad they killed it.
  • People are over reacting..
  • Well now that there is no FLAGSHIP device on the horizon to create a Halo effect, Microsoft should focus on their flagship FEATURE, Cortana. She's the single most "attention getting", "headline grabbing" feature on the Windows Phone platform. Address to get "star" position she is functional, capable, reliable and with neural net tech backing her, (which Apple is just investing in) she is well ahead of Siri and comparable to Google Now, yet her engaging personality, privacy controlling and personalization Notebook, and the ability to engage her via text and voice gives her a leg up on Google as well.
    Cortana is app culture icon spanning the 15 years of Halo, spinoff media, novels, collectibles, a TV Series produced by Stephen Spielberg and more. She has a story, an identity beyond the platform of which she is a part whereas Siri and Google Now are restricted to those platform. MY WIFE AND I JUST GOT CORTANA T-SHIRTS SHIPPED TO US!!! And mine was late because large men's shirts were OUT IF STOCK! That's awesome. One, the basic reality that there is even a MARKET for T-Shirt with a smartphone digits assistant is a testimony that the story of Cortana is resonating with the public. Two, the fact that large men's shirts were out of stock is a testimony to the popularity of Cortana.
    I think Microsoft needs to do more than just ride the popularity of this character, I think they should INTENTIONALLY USE her as marketing tool as THE hero "feature" for the Windows Phone platform!
    Think about it Microsoft can actually "Evolve the Combat" of the Smartphone War because neither GoogleNow nor Siri have that pop culture appeal. Additionally, Cortana as a hero feature can be had(eventually) by EVERY windows Phone 8.1 user whether their using a Nokia Lumia 520 or 1520!
    Really imagine that, most people are already invested in Android and iOS ecosystems, that added to contractual obligations on a device they may have spent up to $300 on pretty much locks people in and makes them pretty reluctant about trying Windows Phone.
    But imagine, if MS led with Cortana as a differentiating, hero feature, playing on her strengths and using her story, people may be enticed my the message. since Android or iOS fan invested may be willing to spend $99 off contract to give her a whirl. "Halo Effect" Cortana
    http://jltechword.wordpress.com/2014/06/30/windows-phone-the-halo-effect...
  • there are actually flagship devices coming very soon, just not with touch 3d.
  • Agree'd, there were 6 names leaked on april 15th that as far as anyone knows are still in the pipeline.
  • @lain_s I hope it has specs more than gs5 , and has an exclusive ability "like dynamic perspective in fire phone"
  • They won't be impressive spec wise, they won't be able to be updated to wp9.  New Lumia 900 bricks coming.
  • See what happens when you dump the people that created your platform, remember ZUNE people!
  • With Cortana as a HERO FEATURE Does Windows Phone Really NEED a Falgship Device? I started a wpcentral forum where the marketing weight that Cortana brings as part of the HIGHLY successful Halo franchise brings to Windows Phone if she is touted as the Windows Phone Platform hero feature. Stop by the forum. I also included a poll! What are the thoughts of the Windows Phone Community? Join the conversation and hash it out - "With Cortana as a HERO FEATURE Does Windows Phone Really NEED a Falgship Device?"   http://forums.wpcentral.com/cortana/298983-cortana-hero-feature-does-windows-phone-really-need-flagship-device.html
  • Noooooo
  • Microsoft has not killed off 3D Touch for Windows Phone, but it has killed off the McLaren device. There will be other high-end phones soon. (https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/490122097642196993)
  • Yeah maybe Microsoft wants to surprise anyone.
  • I have heard otherwise. 3D Touch is not just delayed, which is why McLaren is being canned and not pushed back. We'll see though, as 3D Touch development continues.
  • I think the phone would be cancelled before the feature because a phone is a lot more R&D, and a lot more money put into marketing and haggling with carriers, etc. The feature though can probbably come into a update and be far more cheaper to do. It makes more sense.
  • I think the touchless (gesture) is canned, and so the phone with the required hardware.  However, Many things, such as MixView could be done by actions such as touch and hold(?) and will live on.  Also, a phone without the specific hardware will be released.
  • Thank you for the clarification. While McLaren had 3D Touch, it may not have been to their expectations. Look at the Surface Pro 3, Surface was a great implementation of the new Windows 8 system but the device wasn't refined. Then the Surface 2 brought the dual kickstand, but still the device wasn't able to grab consumers' attention. Now the Surface Pro 3 has a multiform kickstand, a pen that has some great functionality, and a lighter design. Give Microsoft some time. Perhaps they are trying to avoid releasing products that aren't refined. Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • Sorry Daniel but this isn't Microsoft tech. It's Nokia all the way. It has nothing to do with Kinect like you said and Microsoft previous work in the field    
    Sources familiar with Nokia’s plans have revealed that Goldfinger will ship with some technology that Nokia has been developing for years now. Described internally as "3D Touch," it essentially makes use of hardware sensors to detect interactions that are off-the-glass. Former head of Nokia design, Marko Ahtisaari, hinted at the experimental gestures in an interview with The Verge two years ago, calling them a "key area where we'll continue to innovate."
     
  • All news I hear nowadays makes me want to give up on Windows Phone completely and switch to Android
  • This is why I have made wp my secondary platform..it just never felt like it was getting the attention deserved. I have a moto x full time but have my 520 to play with and use when I want something different.
  • +1520 especially since I can access Xbox music on other platforms, Skype, onedrive what benefit do I have being on WP now, doesn't even communicate with other windows devices like it should why can we Bluetooth between phone and tablet or even recognize each other especially on a surface pro u think they would include that as a killer feature kinda like apple does with its phones and computers
  • I can BT just fine with my SP3 with my Nokia and my Samsung. What's the problem?
  • Using Lumia only during summer (gotta love that sunlight readability), but I have other phones for the rest of the year.
  • This! But I will rather go back to old nokia phones where I can enjoy long battery life. After all, the primary purpose of a cellphone is to make calls.. BTW the decisions made by new administration is producing a lot of negative energy. Microsoft has this old habit to shoot at their feet... but its really REALLY hard to remain Microsoft fan every coming day..
  • Sad day for MSFT
  • What the?
  • Guess I'm glad I decided to get the 1520.3.... sad
  • I know some people have already explainded what the .3 stands for but could you be so kind and state the obvious once more?
  • Qi, 32gb works on t-mobile too
  • It is an unlocked variant that I believe is meant for South America, however it has the bands needed for LTE on AT&T or T-Mobile, along with the 32GB on board and Qi built in.
  • is a NA variant of the european model that supports lte bands for NA.
  • Question: I am getting slowly bored of my Lumia 920, like others I was waiting a good device to show up on ATT this holidays, should I still wait or get 1520 with qi cover and pacify myself. If I get an invite for OnePlus I may want to try that in the meantime.
  • I was in the same situation, and it depends on how bored you are with the 920. I was ready for a change, and since I don't like what AT&T has been doing to the phones lately (lowering storage, removing Qi), I decided to get the 1520.3 which works on AT&T (and T-Mobile) and has Qi built in. There should still be a new WP flagship coming out later this year to AT&T, so again, it depends on how anxious you are for a change.
  • %&&*%%!
  • Whoa
  • Nadella MUST BE FIRED IMMEDIATELY!
  • You're right , he must be fired !!
  • Where is BALLMER when we need him ? oh...he is buying the Clippers.
  • Ballmer at least cared.  Nadella doesn't give a shit about anybody.  Get rid of the rat.
  • Ikr!!! First firing, this, and canceling of like tons of other things!!!! Arghh!! Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • You are right, this man ruining everything. I really hate him. I have been a die hard Microsoft fan since ever
  • It's been fun Microsoft. I'm out..
  • starting to think the same way too. Microsoft's position regarding WP seams so unclear to them, don't know what to think anymore... But doesn't feel good.
  • Microsoft has not killed off 3D Touch for Windows Phone, but it has killed off the McLaren device. There will be other high-end phones soon. (https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/490122097642196993).
  • The Delphi oracle has spoken...
  • Not at all xD Even though Windows 8 works AMAZING and a lot faster than 7, it's way uncomfortable and even with Windows 8.1 Update 1 it's still not quite on point. MSFT since then turned it's path to somewhere I don't know how it is. Same with WP. I'm wishing to win one of the 75 G3 MKBHD gives away n.n
  • If you think WP position is bad, try using Windows Server 2012 (there were no free "8.1-like" update for it)  
  • Yeah, AT&T contract is up next month, limping along on a L520 now. Still thinking about a 1520, but will wait to see the bigger iphones and maybe think about a cheapie G2. Hey MSFT, you can't sell products if you don't have products for sale.
  • Hey Jason, you and I should talk... Would like to hear what you have been dealing with on your 520 =[
  • Well, I went to it after I broke the screen on my L900. And for $60, really it's not too bad.  I'll probably keep it around for running/backup when it gets replaced. But it just doesn't cut it for everything.  L520 issues: 1. Too small. I didn't think that going from a 4.3" screen to a 4" screen would make much of a difference, but it's just enough that my fat fingers make significantly more mistakes than on the L900. 2. Laggy, particularly when switching apps. If I'm reading something in Nextgen Reader (one of my favorite apps) and want to switch over to read an email it just hangs up. Same with switching out of Spotify or even Bing news reader. I'm willing to chalk some of that up to 8.1 still being a dev. preview, but some of it is just not enough horsepower and/or RAM in the phone.   3. Battery life is just a little too short. I know it's budget, and it does charge up fast, but it's tough to make it through a day. 4. I miss LTE. Really, I do. So I like it, and again, as a $60 backup phone it's prettty good. But it's just not enough, and I'm leary of buying a 512MB device again (otherwise the 635 looks pretty good). Again, I'm thinking about the 1520, but I'm not sure that I want to carry around something that big. I like 930, but it's not available here in the U.S. (Except for kinda sorta on Verizon. I mean really, MSFT? Not in the U.S.?) If they put 8Gb of storage and WP on the X2 and charged $200 it would be very attractive. The fact that MS is killing off a flagship looks like an indication of real problems with the platform, and that makes me rethink sticking with WP. I really like the OS, and I'm happy with MS services (I love Outlook, Onedrive, and Bing news is MUCH BETTER than Flipboard). I like the Nokia/MS hardware-high qaulity with good designs. But I know that Andoid and IOS won't look like Blackberry in two years. I don't have that same confidence about WP. So I'm in wait-and-see mode. MSFT, if you're listening, here's what I'm looking for: -Get your supply lines straightened out. You have nice stores (online and meatspace). YOUR phones should be available at YOUR stores easily and within a reasonable time after they are announced. Apple and Google have figured this out. They anounce a product with a delivery schedule, and they stick to it. -Have a flagship. Again, Apple and Google fogured this out. Even if it's not your top seller, a flagship is the ambassador of your brand. It tells people what your system can do. If they choose to buy a lower or mid-range phone fine, but if even you're not sure what your system's aspirations are, how are we supposed to know? -That having been said, don't ignore the bottom of the market. The L520 may not be enough for me, but it was for a lot of people. Moto-and/or-Google seems to be successful with the Moto E/G line. The L630/635 might be great, but they need to be available today everywhere for everyone to achieve the sales volume that makes the low end of the market successful. Don't dribble them out starting with the smallest countries and carriers first.   -Invest in your products. Firing 18,000 poeple might be necessary, but so is product improvement (especially when you are not in first place). What are you buying with your reduced overhead? If it's just profits and higher executive bonuses, I'm suddenly much less interested in your products. Well, that post got away from me.  
  • It's sad you say this, but I'm feeling the same way. Don't know how much longer I'll last myself. Between Microsoft's apps(WP 8.1 decoupled apps aren't the greatest) and services(Xbox Music) getting worse, it's a struggle to see the light at the end of the tunnel.  Lots of promises. Little in the way of results.
  • Future don't look great
  • You have no idea what the future holds, you don't have the access that Microsoft has... =x
  • Me too. MS has nothing to offer other than a nice camera and a unique interface. This is not enough. My next phone will likely be an iPhone 6, hopefully with a 5.5" screen.
  • The iPhone won't have a 5 inch display, it has all been proven that it will 4.5-4.7. I don't know why people think it will be phablet sized when Android devices are still averaging at 5 inches and below. 
  • There are reports of two phone sizes.
  • Which are wrong. The iPhone won't have a phablet version. 
  • There are two rumored iPhones, one is 4.7" the other 5.5". The 4.7" is almost guaranteed thanks to all of the leaks, the larger might be hopeful speculation.
  • The larger is a hopeful rumor that won't come true. 
  • Any more reliable source than the tens of tech articles that have been confident enough to post something entirely contradictory to your claim?
  • Navigating a 5.5" iPhone seems like a pain, seeing how most apps have their navigation-buttons on the top part of the screen. That's why you either have navigation -buttons or gestures.
  • I believe a good interface is the key to a good phone the rest will come soon. I'm never gonna leave WP, I still believe they have tech and talent to implement things. Its just like cooking, you need all the ingredients to make a wonderful dish and some patience otherwise the dish will lose its taste.
  • That dish MS is cooking has spoiled my friend! The good interface is what got me, and i've been letting that dish sit in the crockpot for waaay to long! 
  • Having Windows Phone's interface is as easy as installing an app on Android.
  • This is terrible news. Agreed...
  • You guys are cry babies. You saw this fail with Samsung why do you want MS to waste money on a technology that is not ready? You will complain when it doesn't work the way you feel it should. If you haven't noticed when MS rolls out features they start a new set of standard features for all new devices available across supplier's. I think it is very aggressive what MS is doing with 3D touch. We are talking minority report type things for small devices that is very useable. It works good for large screen environments but with mobile devices it's a little more challenging. We are talking really useable technology and not one-off gimmicky stuff that we constantly get from others never to see again because it didn't work in the field. You have a few high end phones, 1520, ICON and 930. The issue in the US is with the industry and carriers not the cellphone makers. Do nor think they wouldn't like to have every carrier sell every phone.. Remember we have GSM-LTE networks and CDMA-LTE networks in the US it is much bigger than the manufacturer's. They would rather make phones that work on all networks and you pick but that's not the US market today, maybe it will get there.....
  • It's not just the 3d touch. It's killing your flagship phone and not leaving many rumors of a replacement. WP might be driven by low end sales but you need a halo device.
  • 1525 is a refreshed flagship. I believe there is still the Money Penny to be unveiled?
  • there are other flagship phones coming soon, dont be too worried that they killed of a device that had the 3d touch input, too many people getting their knickers in a twist over a rumoured test device that obviously is not ready for primetime just yet.
  • I'm starting to feel the same. I'm not sure why... That 5+" iPhone caught my eye, if true. I enjoyed my 1020 and 1520 and its "gimmicks". If only MS still had plans to release the McLaren, I'd totally jump on that phone. But right now, I'm itching for something new, not just faster processor speeds or bigger storage.
  • Yeah, I think me too. Sadly. Not because I really needed 3D Touch... but with my 920 getting 2yrs old this fall I want to replace it. And since there is no real successor (930 doesnt improve enough to justify a change, 1520 is too big for my needs) at the moment I hoped for McLaren. Since they killed this one now, I doubt they'll release something really competitive in the high-end market till end of the year. And competitive also includes some kind of unique feature... like the 3D would have been.   I really like the OS and its feautures, and I loved the old Nokia-handsets. But recent news (sell MixRadio, focus on low-end devices, layoff the testers in OS-Group and many ex-Nokia guys) don't give me much hope. Maybe I'm wrong and theyll impress all of us :)
  • Are you kidding me? Not good...iPhone 6 will eat them for breakfast in the USA this fall if they have nothing...
  • That's probably what I'm getting. While ugly, iOS 8 is pretty feature packed, and that sapphire display in the iPhone 6 will be mighty enticing. Thanks Microsoft, it's been great, but I think that Windows will go back to being desktop only for me. :(
  • I can't get an iPhone for the simple fact, then you have to buy their other hardware (iPads, Macs, etc.). I have no plans to spend $100's to $1000's for new everything.
  • Why do you /have/ to buy their other hardware? You don't have to buy the complete Apple ecosystem anymore than you have to buy the complete Microsoft ecosystem. (And Apple's ecosystem actually talks a lot more, especially with Handoff coming this fall...).
  • Exactly, the best stuff iOS 8 has to offer is coninuity and handoff, which works with Macs, which I don't use. It makes more sense to use Apple with Apple and not Apple with Windows. 
  • What??
  • Getting an iPhone 6 with Windows make less sense than getting an iPhone 6 and their Macs, and iPads, and etc. The best features of the iPhone 6 was shown to work with other Apple products.
  • Point taken about certain features. But at the end of the day, not everyone is using these features. The average people I know wont and a PC (as has been for years) will work just fine with an iPhone.
  • True, hut why keep a PC when I can get a Mac and have even more features? That's the problem with me with getting an iPhone, I will feel left out if I get a PC. But I can avoid all of that by staying either getting an Android device or Windows Phone. Most to all services work on PCs. Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • Most things can be done wirelesly in modern days ios, so there is no difference in what OS you have on PC. Actually, there are 10X+ more ios users, then Mac OS computers in the world.
  • the iPhone 6 won't have a sapphire crystal display.  It's not feasible. It's ten times more expensive than gorilla glass and apple already charge ridiculous prices for their devices.  Maybe they'd make an offshoot 'premium' iPhone 6 with the sapphire crystal display, but it'd cost a small fortune.
  • Agree but looks like everyone except me and you is on contract here
  • IPhone 6 for me too!
  • So true
  • IPhone 6 will eat every thing
  • Nokia should never have sold their manufacturing facility
  • I agree. This should've been This Means War, not Sad But True.
  • IPhone 6? It's just a bigger IPhone if that's what you want cool. Just don't fall for gimmicks and then comeback because I really can't stand the stories of why I switched and switched back no matter what platform. I'm down to 2 devices a WP and a Surface Pro for everything.
  • USA is <5% of the global smartphone market, so whoop de doo.  The majority of Americans have always had a hard-on for iPhones.
  • +iPhone 6
  • Microsoft is basically killing Microsoft! Sad!
  • Microsoft isn't just phones, you know.
  • What's up with Microsoft lately?
  • It is acutely suffering from coporate dementia. 
  • Nuttella
  • How about a device with good spec's with a notification light.Or is that asking way to much of Microsoft :)
  • leaving wp ... :(
  • Oh dear, that more than confirms I'll stick with Android for another cycle then. Was thinking when I could upgrade in December might be a good time to jump back onto WP but that's looking unlikely.
  • They better be cancelling this for a true Surface phone then right....right?
  • That's my hope too. My dream phone has always been a 5.5 inch Surface phone that borrows its look from the original Surface RT. I highly doubt this is the case though. I love my 1520, but I'm ready for a new form factor.
  • Complete with kickstand and mini type cover
  • Bring on the Xbox phone! I guess I can dream.
  • That's what i said
  • Canada has nothing to look forward to in regards to WP. We've got the 920 and 1020. This sucks.
  • Yeah I'm already eligible for an upgrade and I have nothing to upgrade to. Guess I'll wait for the iPhone then.
  • The 930 is suppose to come to Canada really soon... I remember that I read something about it but can't remember the website.
  • MobileSyrup?
  • The website SoftPedia....
  • I read that too, but I don't know man. Seems kinda unlikely. Normally Rogers and the bunch start advertising new devices on their site shortly before launch, but everything has been silent. Event the Lumia 930 product page is missing Canada and the US from thier local product page listing... http://www.nokia.com/global/products/phone/lumia930/localpages/
  • Don't read SoftPedia :p
  • They quoted wppoweruser as their source.
  • Sure looks like it
  • the 635 will be released on rogers shorly, a new flagship will also be with us soon, propably an updated 930.
  • As nice as the 930 is, it's still little more than a polished Icon, a handset already six months old (eons in mobile tech). The purported features of the Mclarenfinger would have firmly placed Microkia on the mobile map. One can only hope they have something dazzling up their sleeve for the second half of 2014, as they have released nothing truly interesting since the 1520.
  • McLaren wouldn't have done anything special to Microsoft's place in the mobile world. It would've been just another flagship that is great and in many ways better than it's competitor, but totally overlooked by most of the world. Anything it would've had would've still largely been behin it's competitors and the same people crying how the 930 is already old before it came out would've cried the same for McLaren and keep waiting for the next thing in the rumor mill.
  • I would gladly buy a Windows 8 phone with an x86-64 CPU :)
  • Well.... That's all folks. Got to wait until 2015 for your next high end device.
  • At best...
  • dont be so dumb, new devices are coming this year, probably around the same time as the gdr2 update.
  • MSFT, I need a non-phablet flagship phone on AT&T soon
  • +920
  • +920
  • +920
  • Now that's bad
  • Now, I'm actually starting to get fed up with MS and WP. I'm due for an upgrade this fall from my 8X and the McLaren was in my sights.
    I have never had an iPhone or Android before, but after hearing this, I'm tempted to finally try one.
    Especially since no high end WPs are set to release this fall.
    :(
  • 930/Icon, 1520, and Ativ SE. 
  • He want High end phones and he is saying IPhone....
  • Lol, iPhones are worse than Windows Phones in terms of specs. The iPhone 5S and 6 will hav a 64 bit processor but it is mainly good for games.
  • 930 is no more than an alluminum-framed Icon, both Icon and 1520 is too old... And Samsung? Oh forget about it please...
  • Instead of focusing on specs, focus on experience and ecosystem. That is what WP has and the 930 and Icon are some very good devices specs wise. Microsoft should focus on devs and improving the Xbox Services and game, not spend millions on a 3D device that may end up flopping because it would come out at a bad time.
  • WP has the worst ecosystem around. It has 0 integration with tablets and desktops. Our apps are crap (even first party). Experience is a matter of personal taste but we are losing in at least two out of three categories.
  • That is why Microsoft may double down on it. Let's wait and see.
  • I think people are not In the let's wait and see phase anymore, people are tired of waiting for one thing or another and these comments are proof
  • Well, I guess you are just out of luck and patience then. Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • Yeah. WP fans have been very forgiving and patient but our patience is rapidly wearing thin. It's just one thing after another and we're tired of waiting.
  • I run windows on my media servers, tablet, phone, pc and Xbox. I play video from my tablet and PC to the Xbox using the Play To functionality or connecting over the network. I can control my Xbox and do second screen using my tablet or phone. That's just a few, I recommend that you learn about the ecosystem before typing.
  • yup too many idiots in this post.ecosystem is not just about an app store.
  • What?  My windows phone talks perfectly to my desktop.  It automatically shares data or images - and I can control how this is done.  I can even have it share colour themes.  Even documents can be synced effortlessly and OneDrive integrates really well. There are plenty of fantastic apps; even some of the bing ones - like Finance, Weather, Sport.   Especially some of the third party ones like myTube/MetroTube, 6tag, 6snap, Here Drive+. Other Windows tablet users are reporting similar success stories.  How is that 0% integration?  Either you're trolling us here, or you're just too stupid to figure out how to work these devices correctly.
  • Iphone 5s is nothing more than a 5 with a fingerprint sensor and a different colour. Same story, but no one complains to apple
  • Well... At least it has a fingerprint sensor right? And a working environment...
  • WP is a perfectly working environment The fingerprint sensor is gimmicky, and I know someone with a 5s who doesn't even use it, nor siri for that matter. Whereas the Dolby recording thing would actually be useful to people who make videos etc
  • WP isn't a perfect environment. It doesn't work better with anything than Android or IOS. Not even Microsoft stuff... Yes. I am aware fingerprint is a gimmick. At least it helps you to log in faster. Right now I have the key code disabled on my Lumia because it's slow and buggy.
    And if you want to record you surely won't use a phone. Then Dolby is just a gimmick and even less useless than Siri or a fingerprint. Until now I really had faith in WP, but now they just fucked up for so many times that it's just shit.
  • actually MS services run so much better on a wp device than it does on ios or android.
  • Well. Even if that's true. IOS and Android still have the functionality of those apps (maybe they run slower, but I doubt it). And then they have all the other apps that WP doesn't have and they all run better and have a lot more features. Stop arguing about a list cause. And believe me I hate Android and ios, but it's a fact that they're better and Microsoft is just playing with their little customers they have.
  • "Well... At least it has a fingerprint sensor right? And a working environment..." What, are you suggesting Windows Phones don't have a working environment, because I sure have no problems with mine.  I've got it set up just how I want it and it does exactly what I want. Maybe fingerprint sensors are a big thing in the states?  I don't know.  They're a gimmick over here.  
  • I am suggesting that everything what WP can do, IOS and Android do it at least same as good, if not better. And windows phone lacks apps. Even first party apps are shit and worse than on is and Android (SKYPE?!)
  • give me a break, one drive on ios sucks, very slow, office on ios sucks, very slow also, wp with ms servcies is exceptional. i dont find any porblem with the apps and find that they run better on wp than they do with ios and android, sure you might get a few different features but the overall experience is so much better on wp.
  • May be you should stick with Android
  • It's not an aluminum frame. It's an aluminum chassis, both Icon and 930 have it.
  • 930/Icon, 1520, and Ativ SE. 
      None of which are available for AT&T except for the 1520 and it's been around for quite awhile now and is awfully big.
  • The 1020, and 930 don't catch your fancy? 
  • 1020 = exact same specs as my 920 for all intents and purposes. Not really what I would consider an upgrade. 930 would be nice but A) I'm not about to pay $700 for a phone, I can't even begin to afford that and B) it will be crippled, no MMS and no LTE.  
  • By this fall all those devices will be to old for me to get. Fall/holidays is the time for fresh new stuff. I hope there is something to truly replace my 920.
  • Ok, so I'm on T-Mobile and don't plan to which carriers. The 1520 is gigantic, not for me. I could put up with a 930, but finding one with TMO LTE will be like finding a yeti!
  • You took my words
  • WP95, just get a 930.  You do realise that the specs of the 1520/930 are literally among the best specs on any smartphone out there, right?  There are a few android phones with slightly higher specs but they are barely going to be any faster in practice.  The 930 will give you PLENTY of power, it's extremely future-proofed to last a long time! I really cannot understand why people think they should develop a new flagship even if it only grants a 5% performance increase over the existing one.  It's like saying they should develop a new phone for the sake of it; to generate the illusion that they're advancing when they're really not.   Or maybe you're one of those sheepish consumers who simply MUST have the latest device because it's just some big pissing contest to outdo your peers?  "Oh no, my friend's camera is 1 extra megapixel and he's got a bit more RAM, I simply MUST upgrade or I'll fall behind!" - it's bullshit like this that makes a lot of electronics end up in landfill when they still have plenty of performance left in them. Why MUST the brand have a new flagship when the 930 already outdoes most of the market in terms of specs?
  • 930 isn't future proof until we find out if it will receive Threshold. It could easily be another 900.
  • You can't be serious.... I'm not going to believe it until the end of the year comes and I still Don't have a Nokia McLaren in my hand.
  • Absolute joke.  The 930 is NOT a flagship handset.  You have got to be kidding!  I'll be jumping ship if we don't see a proper 1020 successor this fall.   Queue all the "goodbye, see you later" etc comments but I've had nearly all nokia high end devices and this is the biggest mistake they'll ever make.  Fingers crossed we get another high end device; the 3D stuff wasnt an issue for me anyway.
  • So you're saying that the 1020 is a flagship but the 930 isn't? They're both as much as a flagship as each other imo
  • Not really, the 1020 is just a 920 with a better camera. It's not even remotely a flagship. The guy is clueless.
  • Agree
  • 1020 is a niche device, which is typically not what a flagship is
  • why do you need a 1020 successor?   Why can't you just enjoy your 1020 and let it last a few years. I don't understand this inane need people feel to upgrade their phones so often.  It's just wasteful and sheepish.  Ohhh, but people HAVE to have the latest tech even if its only going to make their apps load 10% quicker or photos capture 10% more detail.
  • the 930 with its specs runs so much better than any other phone out there. if you want a phone just for the specs and not how it runs then go with android.
  • iPhone 6 and Android smartphone flagships in the fall would have been tough competition. Makes sense, business wise. Phone wise, that means the best WP you can get this year is the Icon/930.
  • The best windows phone you can get this year is last year's 1520. If size is no issue.
  • True, but you have to be on AT&T in the states, and I am on Verizon.
  • No, 1525 is still on the map
  • Except for its design, 930 comes with nothing better than a 1520 to be a REAL flagship... In other words, 930 is actually just a polished "international" Lumia Icon...
  • It fits the design language of the Surface line though. http://www.wpcentral.com/lumia-icon-versus-surface-2   And if you need more power than what the Icon/930 gives, I have to wonder what are you doing on your device.
  • No, I'm not talking about specs. 2.2GHz Quad-core Snapdragon 800 comes with 2GB of RAM is surely more than enough for a Windows Phone. The point is, as far as I know. the 930 comes with something new, unlike previous flagships. And last time Nokia/Microsoft released something interesting was the Lumia 1520... That's only my opinion.
  • no, newer devices are coming later in the year,i would imagine around the same time as gdr2.
  • +925
  • I guess something's fishy. Not bringing any flagship phones firing people, selling services like mix radio. I guess apple or google guy has been hired in MS to kill it :/
  • Just like Stephen Elop from Microsoft killed Nokia huh?
  • Yeah Hope they have something big planned.
  • LOL, oh WPC don't ever change...
  • MS are simply exiting the consumer marketing and focusing much more on enterprise. Firing half of Nokia staff, putting Office on other devices with larger marketshare, and closing down Xbox Entertainment studio.
  • Hey remember how I was 'speculating' in the article about Elop hinting at the new focus on low end...? Yeah...
  • Makes sense. They need something better than the 630/635 though.
  • Yeah, I was trying not to read into the statement about the focus on low end devices meaning no new high end devices, but now it seems that might be the intent. There was a reference to low AND high end devices, but it seems anything high end won't come this year and will be held until 2015.
  • MS already stated not even two days ago that high end devices are coming, the new low end devices will be coming also.
  • and whats wrong with the low end, do you really think android would be where its at if it only had high end devices.
  • And I was so excited about it! To bad... :/
  • Self-destroy
  • the news coming from MSFT recently, i just don't know , i love Microsoft but i'm concerned for their future
  • I am seriously considering shortening their stocks now. Damn, though I am using 1520 now, and I love it, I would like to pick up an iPhone anyway.
  • and so begins, 'End of Microsoft Devices' by Elop......
  • By that nutella guy!
  • Do you mean nutzilla?
  • My contract is up in November. I was wanting to replace my 822 with a McLaren. Now I don't know what to get.
  • To my dismay im buying a g3 next month due to this. No more waiting game
  • That phone is really nice I played with it at at&t and the screen is beautiful.
  • So what does the G3 really have that a 930 doesn't that you would actually use? Absolutely nothing.
  • Yeah except the 930 isn't available in the US. T mobile has nothing worth buying in terms of windows phones. I've been a long time loyalist but this has gotten out of hand. I have to make the switch.
  • How about, I don't know,....,availability?
  • An OS that ain't abandoned? Larger screen? Better battery life?
  • That's a shame... 3D touch and hover could be rad with web browsing.  
  • Yee, like scrolling with your eyes only! what a feature!!
  • Hope they will have a backup plan for a high end phone for end of this year.
  • Damn. Hopefully they have something else exciting to announce. If not, the remainder of this year could be a bit boring for WP
  • Yeah, I hope they have something in mind to replace the gaping flagship hole, otherwise the tiny momentum WP has had recently will be all gone and... not sure how anyone can see the platform surviving. I will try to be an optimist and believe they have something big coming (isn't that what some insider blogger said recently?!?). Let's see.
  • Just ....wat the hell!!!! Budget my a** they sell because of the high end stuff...do something...enough with this perfection stuff.....we know MS are not afraid of making mistakes (xbox music) so y be afraid for the phone...at least be the first one to do something new !! Its 4 years already!!!
  • Nadella is to Microsoft what Leo Apotheker was to HP.
  • it is looking like that by the day.
  • We need to bombard Nut-zillas twitter account. Maybe he will think twice, but all we do is voice complaints here
  • what is happening ? are there any good news ?
  • The other 2 platforms are doing good...thats about it. Oh...umm..the 635 will only be $100 on att go phones..yup..
  • This is the worst news coming out of the MS camp over the past couple of days! Not impressed at all!
  • Is it time for me to look at the note 4?
  • You can look but can't touch! :)
  • Can we at least get a bump on the 1020 so its not running on old silicon yet (+ SD cards)? My 920 is getting awful long in the tooth, and I'm not fully sold on the 1520. Are there any flagships to look forward to then?
  • This is terrible... I have several friends who are waiting to upgrade this fall, and without McLaren, they're all definitely going iPhone 6. And you know what? I just might have to myself. I've been waiting for this phone, Microsoft is really shooting themselves in the foot.
  • yes, i was also looking forward to this phone... but now it seems iPhone 6 FTW!
  • Unfortunately. But at least I know Apple is committed to the iPhone, whereas Microsoft's stance in Windows Phone is just too unstable.
  • true
  • I commend you on lasting this long..it been a long road for wp and you lasted longer then I was able to with my 710 and 8x. I have a 520 as a side device but I can't do it full time
  • again ms stated a couple days ago that they are fully comitted to wp, even converting some of the x devices over to wp and killing off anything non wp, what more commitment do you want????
  • Exactly, and just because they killed off a phone that may or may not have been successful, doesn't mean that they aren't committed to WP. There are other devices coming from MS to look forward to
  • I'm upset, but I will wait a little longer without recommending my converts move just yet. I want to make sure they don't announce something to replace this killed device and the release time
  • Too bad... Not a fan on 930. Limited storage. This is the main deal breaker. Ill watch out for a couple of months and if there is nothing convincing i may have no option but to move back to android :(
  • I hope there will be a 1020 sucessor at least. I'm waiting that one over the Lumia 930 because I like to take pictures but the 1020 is aging pretty bad (720p screen, dual core and so forth). End of year will be critical for Microsoft because Google and Apple are going to release their new flagship all with connected "accessories" and there is nothing coming for Microsoft. Pretty sad.
  • This was the phone I was waiting for. That said, I am certainly not despondent yet. The 1520 and 930 still bring a lot to the table. They are not done and this was not the only phone in development.
  • I don't think this is true. Nadella said at the last conference that they are working on devices that utilize what they have learned from Kinect. I seriously doubt this is true. Maybe this is a way to catch leakers. By spreading false rumor.
  • MS will sit on top of tons of great research and never use it. That's just what they do.
  • Ms destroyed nokia now self destructs
  • ^^ this
  • Nokia destroyed themselves, MS is just implementing that disaster onto itself.
  • Wow. For the first time since I got my HTC Arrive, I'm comptemplating leaving Windows Phone. I've officially lost confidence in the platform and it's future. This was supposed to be the year the platform "leapfrogged" the competition and now to hear that they can't even get a flagship device out the door is disheartening to say the least. A shame.
  • Wow, let's hope they have something in the pipeline for this September/October that is enticing.  I personally don't think the Lumia 930 is really a worthy upgrade, especially if you're on the 1520.  Watching Microsoft go through this metamorphesis has been a bit painful.  Hopefully it all works out in the end well.
  • Weren't there supposed to be two phones with 3D touch to be released this Q4? The article mentions that only the device codenamed 'McLaren' was cancelled. What about the other one?
  • I think Goldfinger was the other one and it was just an internal reference device
  • If i'm not mistaken original codename was goldfinger and was later changed to McLaren, so same device
  • Yeah you're right, I don't see why everyone is freaking out, we still have one phone left.
  • @warbird2017 its cuz we want flagship to fight with Samsung galaxy F , and iPhone 6
  • I had a feeling something like this would happen. I just never saw how useful something like 3D Touch could be. What Microsft needs is a smartphone that is the undisputed KING of sensors. Best in class camera. Best motion tracking. Vitals tracking (without the silly light like the S5 (maybe 3D touch could be implemented like that)). Best in class microphones. Best facial recognition. Best voice recognition ( and always listening voice control ). All tied together by an almost eerily smart Cortana. THAT is what Microsoft should have been building.
  • Amen, Paul.  MS / WP doesn't need gimmicks.  If they remain industry leaders in actually useful technologoy (cameras, microphones, voice recognition, etc) I will remain a fanboy, and they will have a loyal fan base. 
  • I'm a big fan too, but come on. The world runs on perceptions and MS needs something BIG to differenciate it from the dominant players.  you don't eat Apple and Samsung's lunch by just doing what they do.  Granted what you listed (Camera/Mic/Voice Recognition..) are all great differentiator, but they're not visible enough as differentiators. For example, I think my speakerphone sucks on my Lumia 925... My brother thinks (wrongly) that his Nexus camera is better than mine.. so perception is a killer of facts when it comes to product marketing... MS indeed needs these "gimmicks" which will eventually turn into the future of all products.  Think having a camera in your phone... that was a gimmick back then.. but not anymore...
  • Innovation, yes, gimmicks no.  If MS can come up with technologies that actually improve the user experience than they will have long-term sustainability. Gimmicks may garner you a brief burst of attention but then they cheapen the brand.  Despite consistenly having almost no market share and bordering on the brink of bankruptcy 20 years ago, Apple managed to stay relevant and rise again by simply making the best products, consistently.  There were other mp3 players before the iPod, but Apple made the first great one.  There were laptops before the Macbook, but Apple started getting a well-earned reputation for quality, best-of-class user experience, and genuine innovation.  Steve Jobs was famous for saying that Apple would innovate its way out of the hole, and he was true to his word.   True innovation is the winning formula, not gimmicks.  If Nadella is smart enough to get this, and I think he might be, MS / WP will be fine.    
  • Hey that's Zune. I miss it. Anyway whyyiyu
  • Almost sounds as if they're prioritizing enterprise phone/pc functionality and security vs high end phones that only are purchased when available by personal users. Still, sad to hear as I was hoping rumors were true for the holiday time frame as I was due to renew my contract.
  • But then there is this from Tom Warren (https://twitter.com/tomwarren/statuses/490122097642196993)
    Microsoft has not killed off 3D Touch for Windows Phone, but it has killed off the McLaren device. There will be other high-end phones soon.
     
  • That is what I got out of it too, but when are they going to release this high end phone though? It is september in a month and a couple weeks, something needs to come out before the holidays.
  • "But then..."
    This doesn't contradict anything I wrote. Details of these "high end phones" are currently unknown and remain a mystery.
  • Heard it all before then Nokia drops the 630-635 with no FCC camera when the world is so hung up on social and selfies.... And that my friends is not doing.... Maybe that's why they're killing a lot of Nokia's projects so we won't be sorely disappointed, but if they don't have something else lined up and ready to go then maybe they should have released it anyway to appease those calling for something new right now.
  • And for those who were holding on 930 and were waiting for MCLAREN........ KEEP ON WAITING NOW!
  • Ignoring high-end devices!, really?!, if we didn't see the successors of the 1020 or 1520 or even the 930, I'd say Microsoft is destroying Nokia innovation in hardware.
  • Combine all 3... Surface phone. ( SD card and qi plz)
  • So it is actually McLaren that killed off. 3D touch is still in development. Just not ready for the Prime time.
  • So this could mean no high end WP on all three carriers, which means for me I'm leaving WP. Sorry, I'm done with ATT. And if TMobile doesn't get a high end WP I'm just gonna go somewhere else. And seeing as MS is going to support both android and iPhone I don't lose either way.
  • Time to move on, but don't use MS's servces on other platforms, let them bleed away.
  • I Knew this was coming. If Nokia hitched it's wagon to Android they would be sitting pretty about now.
  • I dunno, although there are a few more bigger Android manufacturers by now (something like LG and HTC come to mind alongside Samsung), it's still mostly just Google and Samsung that are making any real money out of Android. While Nokia would've had a lot to bring to the table, it would'nt have been that easy to make a buck out of it.
  • Wow, that's truely disheartening. Is it me or is this Nadella character trying to burn the place to the ground? There was so much advancement the last couple of years with WP and now this happens? I sincerely hope that MSFT has something in the works. I don't want to go back to iPhone or Android but I'll take a Nexus phone if left with no other alternative.  
  • Nadella is a rat.  MS is done.
  • MS got scared of the new iPhone. So they are delaying their "high-end" flagship for a better chance of selling some. So the other 2 platforms have shiny new gadgets for this year and all we have are unknown OEMs and the uninspired 930. I think it's official that MS is just gonna churn out cheap WPs and hope to gain market share. So I guess I am stuck with this 920. I was really looking forward to this device but then again, never trust leaks and vaporware. Or maybe it's time to try Android or Apple, WP is my first smartphone anyway.
  • Yeah, but waiting until after just give upset user the opportunity to leave setup before they even see what high-end devices MS is supposably bringing to the take so that's a lose lose situation
  • iPhone 6 FTW!!!
  • Uh, you'd still have to run iOS and that's the problem with the iPhone. I don't care how great their hardware is. iOS is a POS.
  • iOS is not POS. i like iOS after WP...
  • Yep this is why I moved back to android Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • Maybe I'm the only one here but I think that seems to be the right decision. If the report is correct, they didn't managed to come up with a real killer scenario that would make a higher prize for the hardware reasonable. Better killing the expensive gimmick instead of releasing stupid features that nobody needs. That is Samsung's strategy.
  • Agree totally, these bunch of 'WP fans' are just really android/apple fans.
  • Pretty much... So much complaining about one device that doesn't come out... I sold my iPhone 3gs when wp7 came out and ive liked the whole road map ever since.. I'm not going anywhere:) especially while typing this on my 1520
  • Agree totally. I'm happy that some people see some sense on this site. WP users are so hard to make happy, they want a new phone every two months! So much complaining about one device which was 'meant' to come out yet not even officially announced. I think that, according to the cost, performance, gimmickiness and battery life with all those sensors, I think it was a bit of a fairytale phone. And all those people saying that they are dissapointed that the 930 is like the icon, with one more feature, I say look at how much iPhones advance from model to model. Little features. And apple users don't complain. It's peoples mind set. Only now have apple realised that there is a market for big screens and they're coming out with a bigger iphone. I haven't seen anyone complain that iPhones screens are too small before. Yet all android people and windows phone people are complaining. Even when they've had phablets and devices with sufficiently large screens. Even if MS put ios 8 on their lumia range, the community still wouldn't be happy
  • Well, you're not the only one!
  • Agreed. Amazon Fire is another one that has a higher price point for mostly pointless features (gimmicks).
  • I was never that excited about this whole 3D thing anyway... *gets suitcase out of the closet* I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic....
  • I have been hanging in there with Nokia since the N95 and have been hanging in there with Windows Phone and now Microsoft, but now I am getting nervous, very nervous, it seems Microsoft may be poised to kill off yet another cell phone acquisition.
  • Stop hanging.  Time to move on.
  • Yup. As a WebOS fan, I know that there is a point where you move on. There are plenty of amazing phones out their to choose from these days.
  • No was waiting for this guess its the 1520 or 930 now :(
  • I love the 930/ICON, sensor core is great because now you do not have to purchase name brand expensive sensors to track your vitals when working out. All they need to be is Bluetooth 4.0 LE and they will work with the BING Health app (Free). Once you get your hands on 8.1 on a new Lumia you will see what you have. It even works like this on a 635. The 1520 will work the same with 8.1.... If you like the addidas micoach stuff it syncs as well. For fitbit users you will have an app soon as well. It just amazes me at all the complaints from uneducated wanna be tech aficionados.
  • Wow I know each decision is for the best but I can't help but question nadella's leadership McLaren was supposed to be my next phone, hopefully they still have a great phone in the pipeline
  • We need a 1020 successor!
  • they launched nokia x2 and killed nokia mclaren! wow
  • They're killing Nokia x series in favour of WP. Read the news from yesterday
  • I call BS, no way Microsoft doesn't have a release planned to compete with the iPhone 6
  • Man, no flagship in the pipeline? I thought the big hype about the layoffs were to concentrate on WP, not get rid of it. Very mixed messages coming from Microsoft.... bothers me.
  • Sounds like you are not that familiar with MS.
  • Chill people, maybe there'll be another flagship with 3D touch, just not McLaren.
  • This is getting silly now! First MixRadio and now this!? What are they going to offer, they better have something up their sleeves because questions are starting to be asked.  Love everything Microsoft and Nokia have been doing since Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 just hopping that we don't regret. They must have a plan... :-/
  • I can't believe this. What terrible news.
  • WPCentral better be on the ball with this as it's going to upset a lot of fans....
  • I assure you, it is accurate.
  • I was about to go for l525/l630... Guys pls tell me should i buy or not??
  • Go ahead, I would get the 525 though because of the 1GB or RAM. The quadcore processor does not do much when the RAM itself is low.
  • Go for it :)
  • MS doesn't get it, the main reason for low WP market share in the US is exclusivity deals. Its sad really they can't make a decent music app either.
  • I don't think that's the problem.  The iPhone was only on AT&T for years and it still succeeded.
  • It did ok till it hit the other carrers then really took off.
  • It definitely helped the iPhone when it was available on other carriers, but it was still successful when it was only on one. If there was demand for Wimdows Phone, they would be OK on one carrier and that would drive the other carriers to want it.
  • I'm starting to get tired of all this back and forth. Nokia X! Nokia X no more. McLaren! McLaren no more. Either leakers are just guessing or MS is having a chaotic change every week now. Either way, I'm tired, I'll just wait and see what they end up releasing.
  • They have no leadership, no direction.  You will be very disappointed when they show off their new hardware in the fall.  Just switch.
  • So they wait for Apple and Google to implement it and to "innovate" and then come late to their own party as they did so many times in recent years? Great... I hope Tom Warren is right with that they only killed the phone, not the new feature. I don't care if the next high end phone is called McLaren as long as they release one in fall.
  • A feature without a feature phone is straight shit after 3 years and the HTC 8x isn't it!
  • 18,000 people and then this? No new Lumia for me any time soon.
  • Looks like I'm hanging onto my 920 indefinitely. Absolutely no current windows phones compelling enough to warrant locking myself into another 2-year contract. Microsoft has not been short in disappointments this month.
  • +1
  • I really just hope and pray they come out with a flagship sooner. I can't do phablets. Was dying for a 1020 successor with a lot more horsepower to make the camera (and phone) faster. Contract's up on my 920, and I'm still waiting...
  • Can't do with phablets? Get a 930 then
  • Nothing compelling about the 930.
  • Maybe not all is lost and they will still will release the phone this fall just without the 3d tech and call it something else.  I still like the idea of a Lumia Surface phone.
  • Yeah, and have 512mb and monochrome display and 1gb of storage :'(
    I'm hoping the X replaces the 520 running Droid and they drop the 6** 7** and 8** and they release a 9**/ 1*** (like) Jaw dropper!!
  • As suspected, the new MS movement has ensured they will strictly focus on low-end models. 
  • This was the one thing that seemed to really innovate :/
  • Wait and see, Apple will come out with the technology and give it a fancy name that all the isheeps will have an orgasm only by hearing it. And then, only then will Microsoft come out with the technology and try to brag about how they thought about it first. It's really disappointing to hear all these news now. Microsoft is on a killing spree. I hope they will come with something good in the next 2 years before my contract runs out and my 1020 feels outdated. Otherwise it will be bye bye for me.
  • I couldn't care less about the 3D tech.  What I do care about is the fact that a WP flagship meant to be released on more than one carrier (for the first time) is now cancelled.  No high-end WP released for the rest of this year???  Prepare for 2% marketshare.
  • Windows Phone is already in the 2% range. They will be <2% by years end. Buying a Windows Phone 8 devices now is risky. I would at least wait until we have positive confirmation that threshold will be available on current devices.
  • Has anyone thought this is a MS bluff? Maybe they want to be forgotten and have a bigger impact when they realease it by keeping the element of surprise!! For those complaining about a new flagship, i'm sure there is SOMETHING coming. Anyway, maybe i'm too optimistic, but even the title says that the phone is cancelled, not the tech :)
  • That leaves 930 as flagship phone and 1520 as flagship phablet
  • Unimpressive flagship.
  • i hope this rumor is false just like the rumor that nokia lumia android is coming and microsoft will shift focus to android phones...
  • Believe it out not... I expected that it's not going to come in hand in any nearer future...
  • Can a reporter just straight up ask MS if they are killing off windows phone altogether? If they balk at answering, then we'll know.
  • I hope Lumia 1530 see's the light of day if not I'm sorry but I'm going for note 4.
  • I hate when Mocrosoft does this.  Remember several years ago when they gave up on making a tablet PC?They've been playing catch up on that for a while now.  They had a phone operating system way before the two dominant ones were released and look what happened there.  They need to quit being afraid to push the envelope.
  • They need to just quit.  No leadership, no direction.
  • Hmm, I'm up for a discounted upgrade in Sept. No idea what I will get now. Not interested in a 1520. I might just keep my 1020 for a while. I might actually look at the iPhone 6 and come back to WP in 2 yrs if they have their act together. At least on the iPhone, I could get decent Office apps and a good Skype experience.
  • Why oh why?!! I wouldn't be surprised if we are going to get recycled hardware come November...
  • We have already got that with HTC and Samesung.....
  • Looks like we might get the same from MS as well, unless they have something better in the pipeline
  • You will be very unimpressed with what they show in the fall.  Time to move on.
  • Oh well. I'm still not moving to another OS. I'll just keep using my 1020. I'll just buy my daughter a 925 instead of giving her my 1020. I need her games off my phone
  • all I want is for a 1020 with 1080p screen and updated cpu. they dont even have to change the sensor at all.
  • Noooooooooo! Now what will I upgrade my 920 to in November when my 2 years is up? They better have something good for the fall.
  • I upgraded my 920 to the 1520 and I'm loving it.  If you haven't tried it, I highly suggest you try it, and not just for a few minutes.  It is one of the best phones out there.
  • same boat as you.  My 920 contract is up in November I don't want a 930 as theres no Glance which kills the idea for me.
  • Same here. Was hoping for something nicer than 1520 as 930 without glance did not excite me. I just hope they have something premium in fall....
  • Son of a bitch!
  • I understand. Try hovering your finger over the display for a couple seconds-- it's not exactly comfortable. Anyway, they gotta come up with something for this fall. A lot of 920 contracts are gonna be getting renewed. (That includes me, too.)
  • Get use to disappointment.
  • What in all fuck is going on over there? This ass clown gets put in as CEO and it's been nothing but tearing this company apart and anything it makes.
  • He is a rat.
  • I hope Microsoft finally shows up with a serious Moto G competitor! 730 maybe? 4.5" 720p screen, 1 GB RAM, 8 MP Pureview, FFC, NFC, Qi, superlong battery life, for $250. Please!!
  • Keep coming up with the bad news, SWITCH ... to LG.
  • I honestly don't mind so long as there's a decent new flagship-worthy phone released September/November time. Something at 5", 1080p, 20-40MP pureview, 5MP front pureview, MicroSD, QI charging, glance, ideally thin and light to combat the S5 and new large iPhone, and most importantly: IN CYAN. :) I like the idea for the gestures but they're better off (in the long run) taking these concepts and implementing them line wide either with or following Threshold when everything is in sync dev-wise. Kinect needs to be re-thought and built in to products for the consumer space. It's brilliant for industry and research as it is (as the many videos have shown) but Leap Motion does a lot of what Kinect is used for and that's both cheap, tiny, and able to be built in to laptops and tablets. But yeah, Microsoft need to have a first class slate of Windows Phones out Q3 and Q4 this year and not rely on their new OEMs to see us through to Threshold (Though if they opened up all the formally exclusive Nokia features/apps to all OEMs, that would certainly make choosing an alternative easier).
  • I agree totally. At least you read the article properly, which means that there will be a flagship
  • Sad!!! I'll start looking for a different mobile OS. I think MSFT knows they have nothing to do anymore against the two giants. I was waiting for a nice flagship phone to replace my 920, I don't like neither of the ones available, Am I going back to the iproducts?? Disgusting!!! I never agreed with Nokia on making so many different phones, too many. Why not focusing on ONE GOOD SUPERB PHONE for each market?? I think they'll forget the top segment and they're going for the next billion customers..... Bye MSFT
  • Read the last sentence of the article again.
  • Microsoft always cut that kill this before we can see it
  • 3D touch, a gimmick imho. Fingers crossed MS will fast track improvements to the OS asked by users worldwide
  • Might be switching to Android
  • Tom Warren says 3D still a go and also new devices--just not this one.
  • Damn
  • As usual 2 steps forward fifty back.
  • Not even 2 steps forward, jsut fifty back.  Disgusting company.
  • Major bummer
  • Do they really not see they are sending nothing but NEGATIVE messages to their customers. My family has four WP8 phones. My wife has a update now and my phone is due next month. WE still do not have 8.1 yet. What more can they do to discourage us from staying with them. Our two tablets are Android but our three computers are 8.1. Really would like to stay with WP and have both Windows and Android. But they keep telling us they don't know what they are doing and trying to drive us to another OS. This is a MESS.
  • Damn this sucks thought they would come with some groundbreaking technology that actually works....figures...leave it to apple to perfect Microsoft ideas and it become a hit
  • So the phone I was intending to get is cancelled and there's nothing better than the 1020 on the market. I guess Microsoft lost my 800 bucks, since I'm sticking with my phone for another year.   Man, as a friend above said.. iPhone 6 will mop the floor with Microsoft
  • As it should.  MS deserves to just die at this point.
  • Damn, if Microsoft does come out with a flag ship phone by the holiday season, I will be going back to Apple. This is f'ing ridiculous..I need a WOW phone to shut these android fans up....
  • We really do though Microsoft has one chance now cause they took out potietal.....right there..
  • Meh, how about you get a phone for yourself, not for others?
  • They better do something good I am disappointed with this nothing wrong with its own dam inhouse hardware if not many just a few main one and experimental if Nadella doesn't turn windows around I'm done huge disappointment! Wtf ms
  • Microsoft doesn't seem to be content with shooting itself just once in one foot.  MS's public presense with smartphones is with Lumia and it seems they are concentrating on that being low to mid level phones for emerging markets. The latest Lumia "flagship" iterations are ok but not great and if Apple introduces a great phone with iOS6, that will be the end of it for MS smartphones I think along with MS making its key features available on Android and iOS soon.  Most of the readers of WPC are WP fans and supporters and judging from their (mine too) response to this doesn't bode well for MS. MS seems unable to come to the party on time and always seems to wear the wrong clothes when it does.
  • The sky is falling! The sky is falling!  Ye who pretend to be Windows Phones fans have no faith.  Do I need Mclaren with 3D touch? No. Do I want to upgrade my 822 when my contract expires in December? Yes.  Hopefully there will be a new WP flagship that will have the features I need and will use.  Don't be fickle....Keep the faith.
  • +925 ;)
  • +929/Icon
  • +920
  • This ^^. 3D touch won`t help microsoft sell phones,why not invest the time and money in something else instead that does,like the OS or try and improve the ecosystem.
  • Faith is for those who believe in imaginary invisible things.  Faith is for suckers.
  • One day MS would ditch windows phone and say 'wondows phones aren't seling well' ..we believe in windows phone more than you guys do..Screw you MS...
  • Daniel, you better reach out to your Microsoft contact and let them know what the temperature is like in this forum, because I'm starting to feel just like many others getting fed up with the stunts Nadella is starting to pull. It's been three years now and no real high-end windows phone. I'm sorry, but I don't care how intelligent he is supposed to be, it doesn't take rocket science to know that we deserve at least one high-end device after that length of time and the 1020 isn't it for the masses s it's a nitch device. As much as I dislike Apple and Android, I'm starting to feel abandoned by Microsoft since he took over......... Bring Ballmer back as this guy is starting to act like a pure psycho!!!!
  • Sharpen your pitchforks ladies and gents!  
  • So now 2.2QC isn't enough....
  • LOL Microsoft reads WPCentral for feedbacks but they won't act on the whims of a couple hundred people. They're a multinational corporation. We at WPCentral have no power to change their plans when it comes to money. Unless, of course, we decided to all put money together to buy a majority in Microsoft's shares that would give us a position within the company to boss them around.
  • Windows phone is dying as it is now.
  • Not dying.  Dead.
  • Xperia Z2/Z3 here I come ..... sad very sad news.....
  • Lets ask Joe Bilifiore AMA. If WP going downhill, he should know.
  • Like he'll tell you anything.  Your nothing to him and he's nothing to the bosses.  He should quit and move to Android or iPhone.
  • From the moment this started to be rumored, have anyone actually thought of a good use for this type of feature? The only thing i can think of a phone detecting my finger movements when i'm not actually touching the phone is that the phone will think i'm doing something when i'm not. trying to detect your fingers beyond the screen means you have to be careful with your movements when you are not touching the phone. You are more prone to make mistakes or get angry at the phone for doing something you didnt want to.
  • I don't care about the 3D touch thing, I just want a real high-end windows phone. What happened to their plan B surface phones? They supposedly had 3 working prototypes...... They better be releasing one of them or I might be joining some off the others in the exodus. I really like my icon, but we need more and not just the low end devices!
  • Combine the 3D touch with a 3D screen and UI and you've really got something. Being able to have your phone UI projected into the air above the phone and interacting with it would be a lot more natural and useful than using 3D touch with a 2D screen.
  • Probably but its easier said than done,microsoft employs the best of the best and according to the article,they couldn`t ensure that the 3D touch works well enough on the prototype to proceed with their plans.
  • I'm actually glad to hear this.  3D Touch IS a gimmick, at least where phones are concerned.  It was idiotic, in my opinion, to have wasted any time pursuing it on anything other than tablets and laptops.  Move on to USEFUL innovation, Microsoft.
  • +920
  • Yep. Everybody and his mother was screaming about the bundled Kinect on the Xbox One which provides actually some useful scenarios even without a single Kinect game. Now everybody is screaming about this obviously gimmicky 3D touch. I'm shocked that nobody yet pointed out one other problem with this 3D stuff: Fragmentation! They better focus on flagships without gimmicks. I doubt that MS will not release a new flagship. At least they can quickly re-engineer the McLaren without the additional touch sensor.
  • Lots of WP contracts up this fall/winter too, regarding HTC8X and 920 users.  No new flagship means many of those folks will go to another platform.
  • Really good point! I don't see MST letting that happen. I'm sure we will still see a high end phone this fall, it just wont have the 3D tech.
  • They'll offer new Lumia 900's that can't be updated to WP9.  The phones coming out this winter will be bricks by Spring.  Don't fall for it again.
     
  • Oohhhhh.... I was desperately waiting for this phone to arrive as an replacement for my regular 1020... Hard luck... Hope MS comes with a good flagship this fall ... Hope a better device that I can switch on to :)
  • I don't think they cancelled it, they just delay it for next year....
  • People won't wait another year and that's a fact jack! Satya doesn't have a year as we're already calling for his head and it hasn't been six months. I'm tired of hearing about all the philosophy he read in a book, "that isn't going to turn Microsoft around technology wise"! What is he turning them around from? They're already a profitable company and thus far all he's doing is decreasing overhead to put more money back into shareholders pockets and killing technology and hardware yet it's all he talk about. I'm starting to feel he's a stockholder yes man and full of hot air!
  • He is a rat.  MS is done.
  • Seems like there are a lot of people looking for a reason to jump to android or an iPhone. News flash: No one on the internet cares. If you want to ditch WP, then go ahead. I'm bummed about not having the McLaren for when I can upgrade in December, but I still enjoy my 1520. No reason for me to switch to an (IMO) inferior platform just because MS cancelled a phone that was never officially announced.
  • You're missing the point.  All we'll get is another 1020/930 rehash the was things are going.  I don't give a crap about 3D but the specs looked top of the line.   You can almost guarantee it's going to be an underspecced phone yet again.
  • I'm not missing the point, I just think it's a dumb point. My 1520 can run circles around other phones. Why would I care if the next phone doesn't have the same power on paper? And (again, IMO) the general public doesn't even know the difference. They buy whatever the sales reps push. I have sold a couple WPs to average people, and they couldn't be happier with them.
  • No, we're looking for a reason to look forward just like average consumers look forward to the next version of the galaxy series phones or the next iteration of the iPhone! This far, all we have to look forward to is holdings in to an outdated phones we've held on to for two years or more so refuse to downgrade to a low-end phone or upgrade to a phone equal to what I currently have. Furthermore, girls glass 3 is whatever they call it isn't what it's chalked up to be as my less that a year old icon had scratches from pocket used with keys. So it's time for a surface phone with that vapor magnesium case and crystal glass, etc. People will buy it if you make it period. That's what they love about the iPhone and HTC one...... The high-end looks.
  • I understand being disappointed about not having anything concrete to look forward to. My issue is the people saying, "There is nothing coming out. Time to switch to an iPhone." If you wanted to use WP, you wouldn't be so quick to jump away. I don't care if someone wants to use an iPhone or android, but don't complain like a child and threaten to switch. Either sack up and switch, or shut up and see what will happen next. Blowing it out of proportion doesn't help anyone.
  • Dude ... Man.. I couldn't have said it better myself.!!!....
  • Whiners forget why they came to WP in the first place and forget what they will be going back to.  I'm also up for an upgrade in December and am hoping for a new flagship by then but I wont abandon WP if I have to wait until spring 2015.  Even with the limits of my L822, Microsoft already gives me a product that is overall better than most iPhone or Android devices.  I'm not switching back.
  • +1520
  • I love my Lumias. WP all the way!
  • What's happening suddenly to Microsoft
  • was waiting on this, will wait and see what might show up but I know I don't want a small phone and I don't want last years phone so I hope they come thru
  • Dang, was hoping for that to come out! I was saving my upgrade for that too. It's good that they can see when a feature is too gimmicky though, and actually make serious decisions about what is essential and what will make users happy. That's encouraging. Hope to see more of this 3d touch in the future.
  • The Maclaren was a Nokia device - with the thinking of this news perhaps msft is trimming itself? Personally I'd like to see msft take the easy route and bolt a 41mp sensor to a 930, cut a slot for the sd card and slap in a bigger battery - maybe use a wualcomm 801 or 805 or whatever... Now THAT'S a flagship. 3d tech sounded gimmicky. They're are other areas msft need to address. I'm guessing Nadalla is addressing Ballmer's mess, post his departure. Wasn't this 3d malarkey (kinect, 3d tech, turning the successful xbox into a dvr etc) Ballmer? In fact the Nokia merger was him also - out could have been handled differently... I think this is msft cleaning house and going back to the core. Good. Hopefully we'll see new and better things soon enough. The icon being retconned into the 930 just seems a bit like a middle ground - they had to release something. The android flirtation - don't get me started on how much of a that was... Clean house and move on! And seriously, make a real flagship!
  • I wish Xbox One did DVR...
  • Thanks Nadella. I miss Ballmer.
  • Who knew we'd be saying that after a couple months.  Nadella is a rat.