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Microsoft's two Windows 10 flagship phones may support USB Type-C

The rumor mill surrounding Microsoft's two upcoming, and still unconfirmed, Windows 10 Mobile smartphones, got jumpstarted again this week. Two German websites claim to have more information about those devices, which were first rumored earlier in May.

WinFuture.de repeats the hardware specs of those two alleged smartphones, with the code names "Talkman" and "Cityman", but adds that the phones will come with an aluminum body frame and a design similar to the Lumia 830. It also claims, via its sources, that the back cover of those phones will be polycarbonate, and that those covers can also be removed, which should please consumers who want to have some options.

In addition, the DrWindows.de site claims that both of the flagship phones from Microsoft will have a USB Type-C connection port, which so far is only available on Apple's new MacBook but should start showing up on more devices soon. USB Type-C is said to be necessary for the new Continuum for Phones featured announced at Build a few weeks ago.

The report says that the new Windows 10 Mobile phones will also have wireless charging, along with an iris scanner so that the phones can be unlocked with a human eye. The latter part is necessary for the new Windows Hello security feature coming to Windows 10. The site also hints that a successor to the Lumia 1020, with its 41MP camera, is in the works but it won't be out until 2016.

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Here's a reminder of the previously announced, and unconfirmed, specs for these Windows 10 Mobile phones from Microsoft, starting with the "Talkman" device:

Talkman rumored specifications

  • 5.2 inch QHD display
  • Qualcomm-based six core processor
  • 3GB of RAM
  • 32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot
  • 20MP rear camera
  • 5MP front facing camera,
  • 3000 mAh removable battery
  • USB Type-C

Cityman rumored specifications

  • 5.7 inch QHD display
  • Qualcomm-based eight core processor
  • 3GB of RAM
  • 32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot
  • 20MP rear camera
  • 5MP front facing camera,
  • 3300 mAh removable battery
  • USB Type-C

Again, we haven't been able to to confirm any of this information, so take all of these kinds of reports with a grain of salt until Microsoft offers up some official information.

Source: WinFuture.de; DrWindows.de

447 Comments
  • Makes sense if Continuum requires this. The Surface 3 should have come with a USB Type-C instead of MicroUSB port. I'm really happy with these specs. This is the high-end phone we have been waiting for! I hope it is released on all carriers. If Verizon doesn't want it, Microsoft should sell an unlocked version with all the bands for any carrier.
  • Verizon would still have to approve it, no?
  • Verizon is one of the US carriers that has commitment in supporting Windows Mobile platform, they launched the Icon in 2014 and they launched the LG Lancet in 2015, I'm hoping they support the new Windows 10 Mobile flagships too. Fingers crossed :)
  • Having been a VZW customer for over 10 years, I recently took my unlocked 8X and switched to AT&T.  So far so good.  Better signal in more places with noticable speed improvement (even though its not 4G LTE), no "Can't send" issues on texts.  Cheaper bill. And ready to order the Cityman first day.  VZW may get these phones but it will be 6 months late (although MS' talks about doing their own software updates may help that).  AT&T will get them first, then T-Mobile, then Sprint and Verizon.  The pickings for a WP at VZW right now are pretty bad.  HTC One M8 (best option), Lancet, and ATIV S.  Whooo Hoo.  ATT is not much better (HTC One, 830, and 635).  Chose to just keep my 8X and not pay for a HTC on ATT Next and the 830's supposidly have hardware issues (from the AT&T guy).
  • Check in the forums here about that 830 and its supposed problems.  Never take a carrier rep's word about the phones, especially a WP.
  • I concur.
  • Yep, after several months in thoroughly disappointed with my 830.
    GPS sucks - lashes and freezes
    Phone over heats - particularly with wireless charging (I'm mean really overheats, not just a little warm)
    It gets poor signal - usually less than my 635
    Bluetooth connectivity is poor - constantly dropping
    Ummm... No REAL Denim
    Sounds glitch sometimes
    SLOOOOOWWWWW
    Did I say no REAL Denim?
    Capacitive buttons are unresponsive sometimes - usually moving around the screen jars them back into action
    The screen sucks - it's not bright/clear enough in the sun and the background is too lit on Glance screen
    Camera button is too sensitive
  • I was with you until you said "then Sprint and Verizon". Does Sprint have any WP phones?
  •   They do, HTC 8x is one of their limited number of WP8 devices
  • When McLaren was rumored a year back, it was said that MS would launch it on all carriers.  I hope that MS would make Talkman and Cityman available on all US carriers this time around after learning their hard lessons.
  • Hardly. They launched the Icon but then discontinued it within just a few months and removed it from stores. Then refused to let it be released on other carriers. For a long time they weren't even selling ANY WP devices (the Lancet hasn't been released yet). Verizon is not a bastion of Windows Phone support by any means. Honestly, if you are looking for a company that has really supported WP, then you would be looking at AT&T.
  • They were still selling the Samsung odyssey and HTC m8
  • ...if you call getting exclusives on every flagship model not to sell them but just to keep other carriers from selling them "support".
  • I was expecting to see /s on the end of your post. Other than they offered a couple of WP, they don't even come close to supporting them. AT&T is the only US carier that has really offered any support for WP and they've been slacking lately. 
  • Microsoft have said they are trying to move away from carriers having total control, but just having input instead.
  • Microsoft is carrier dependent.  Not about carrier control, rather carriers do not want to allocate resources nor time in the testing process...  This would not even be possible without the support from previewers!
  • Yea, let's have some excitement.  I know everyone is skeptical with a year of bad news behind us and nothing yet officially announced, but this sounds like a real flagship finally. 
  • We already knew about the coming of Talkman and Cityman.  The bigger news is the coming of the successor of L1020.  I thought that it would be abandoned according to the rumors.  My mind is already set on Cityman, but now I have to rethink about my decision.  Whether to go ahead with Cityman or wait for L1040 in 2016 is a big question. It's going to be a tough one.  After using L1020 for so long, you hate to use anything less.  But the waiting game is painful.  If L1040 will indeed be coming next year, it could very likely to use the new Snapdragon 820 with better camera capability or even Snapdragon 10-Core 818 processor.  If we know its specs for sure, the decision might be easier.
  • I'd prefer to wait for the L1020 sucessor but I just can't wait much longer than summer. If these rumors are true, I'll drop my $$$ on the Cityman right now and then again for the L1020 successor next year. 
  • I wouldn't expect these two devices this summer. Windows 10 Mobile will be RTM a few months after Windows 10, so I don't think we'll see W10 phones until sep-okt.
  • Well, the last day of summer is typically the first weekend in September so....
  • And that is exactly what they want...they know we've been waiting forever.
  • Gonna rock an 820 snapdragon in the 1020 replacement, surely.
  • I think it looks good for any 1020 replacement coming as it is farther back in the pipe than Talkman or Cityman. A 1040 might just have SD 820ish chip... Or an Intel ;)
  • Wake up man.  You're dreaming.  The L1020 wasn't based on drastically better hardware than the 92x series.  IF, a huge IF... If the 1040 is released, it'll likely be based on the same 808 Snapdragon chipset found in the rumored flagships.  
  • MS should set up an Insider Preview program for L1040 specifically and take feedbacks for dreaming. :-)   But I don't think that using SD820 is a dream however.  SD820 will be launched in late 2015.  Both Motor X and Xiami Mi5 will be packed with SD820 in November release.  If we are lucky, MS could use it on L940XL.  But if L1040 is targeted to release in the Spring, SD820 will definitely be available in time for L1040.  SD820 has enhanced camera technologies which L1040 needs.  The dual core processor for L1020 is one reason for the slow speed.  The fast multi-core processor would help greatly by processing multiple tasks simultaneously.  Like one core would be dedicated to the oversampling task while other cores do something else.  The LG G4 is currently the Android phone camera king.  It has same specs basically same as L940.  In order for L1040 to surpass them all, SD820 is a must have in addition to the 41-55 MP camera lense.  L1040 has to establish itself as an All-MIghty-God camera phone in the industry to turn heads.  The old Nokia camera design team at MS can certainly do it.  They just have to reward us for the extremely patient waiting.  :-) https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2015/03/02/qualcomm-previews-next-generation-snapdragon-experiences-mwc-2015
  • As nice as that sounds, I don't think that will happen.  IF MS releases a 1040... let's just call it a Pureview.  If said flaghsip camera phone is released, it will likely be based on the current flagship at that time.  I don't think the company will spend the extra money to develop a ground up phone just to house a 40+ MP sensor.  The 1020 was ulitmately based on the 920.  Maybe we can expect a Lumia 1050?    I do agree that the phone needs to be damn good to garner attention. 
  • They had already finshed the design for McLaren, basically a follow up of L1020, based on the SD800 more than a year ago.  Some modifications may be required but it certainly does not need to build L1040 from the ground up.
  • SD808 is only for L940.  L940XL will use a 8-core processor which could be either the rumored SD810 or the new SD820 if MS is aggressive.
  • no i checked, sd 808 only suports up to 21mp camera. the sd 805 and 810 supports up to a 55mp camera. but we'll see what brains they put in it when it comes out
  • In a way I'm thankful I'll have wait unti 2016 for a L1020 successor (if there's one indeed). Beats having to be enticed to buy a new phone every year or two. But, Cityman is droll worthy. MUS HAVE DISCIPLINE.
  • Doesn't mean it'll be on both ends more then likely it will have full sized 3.0 on other end
  • Um... unless you're referring to the included cable only, your comment makes no sense. It doesn't matter HOW the other end terminates, so long as what is on the other end has the proper contacts and knows how to connect to it. USB-C is just a form factor. The difference is, USB-A and B (and it's "micro" brethren (laughable considering the "micro" USB 3.0 plug)) are not being updated to work with USB 3.1, so far as I've heard, though USB-C can work as USB 3.0 and even USB 2.0 just fine. So you can have a cable that goes from USB-A (the old rectangular connector) to USB-C, and that probably will be the one they include at first. But anyone with a new Macbook can just buy a USB-C to USB-C connector and it will work just fine.
  • Continuum doesn't require Type-C, you can use Continuum for phone wirelessly as demonstrated and stated during Build.
  • Oh yeah! Good point
  • man I want a 840 to come up too :/ wish could stretch my budget for the flagships.!! But then XD.
  • I woud venture a bet that the phone would be at least in the 940's if they maintain the numbering structure.  W10 and Windows Mobile may make a strong case for a name change.  Maybe... Surface M with follow on derivatives Surface M1, Surface M2, etc...  
  • Yeah that does sound real nice! Surface m series
  • Continuum itself does not require USB-C, but the feature they are talking about here where the phone would plug into a dock and become a full fledge PC will. 
  • My bet type c on 4. This would give a person a reason to upgrade from pro 3. Not a reason to down grade from pro 3 to 3.
  • It had better have it. I bought the original Surface and Surface 2. But I skipped the Surface 3 because of Micro USB Type-B. That was a deal breaker for me. Let's hope they design the SP4 correctly, with USB Type-C.
  • Sorry, but  what do you have that requires USB-C?
  • Precisely what I was going to post.
  • If this is not available on Verizon day 1, I will be switching to AT&T.
  • With VZW track record for releasing a Lumia device 3-6+ months late it looks like AT&T will be in your future :)
  • Did it on Sunday.  What are you waiting for.  VZW is aweful for being a WP fan.
  • Yes, but I don't want to switch until there are new phones available.  Plus, I am under contract for another 7 months.
  • Makes sense being under contract still.  AT&T will probably pay your fees though.  I used my VZW HTC 8X on AT&T.  I get beter reception, better data speeds on the HSPA+ as well. And no "Can't Send" text issue I commonly was getting on VZW.
  • What if its not on ATT :)
  • People still overpay to use Verizon's service?
  • I read people say that they switch from Verizon to ATT. Both are super expensive. I recently moved from T-Mobile's network to Cricket Wireless. I couldn't be happier paying $35. Though, I may up my data package to 5GB soon.
  • I would consider Cricket, since it is owned by AT&T I would assume that any AT&T phone would work on it?
  • Back before att bougght it, it was cmda so idk what it is now
  • Cricket is GSM now.  
  • With a type-C connector you can connect a display port or hdmi adapter to connect to an monitor/TV like in the macbook... I believe that the surface 3 already have a display port... so the type-C is not needed...
  • Are you saying you will get full HDMI or DisplayPort on a Windows Phone device? I'm not sure if thats possible. Other phones get TV/Out thanks to MHL which is the hdmi spec for phones. But to my knowledge MHL is not supported by Windows Phone. It would be great if Microsoft can support MHL on these phones.
  • So, why should I want a port that requires me to buy an adapter just to use it? 
  • Adapters are a stop gap until the entire market slowly adopts type C.
  • An expensive one.
  • and they need some nee features for the surface 4 (without pro)  
  • Well for many 1020 owners like me, this is not the flagship we've been waiting for >~>
  • This!!!
  • As an ex-1020 user, I am all for a 1020 replacement, but they need to do it right this time.  As much as the 1020 was lauded for its camera quality, it had just as many flaws.  The amount of ghosting and flare that thing produced was awful.  The startup time was painfully slow too.  It's one thing to be sluggish, but I missed so many pictures waiting for the darn app to startup.  If they are going to do another one, they really need to fix those two things first and foremost.  The release of the first one was premature, and MS...please don't let AT&T cripple the phone!  It needs wireless charging and microsd support.  Hopefully they are taking the extra time to make it right this time. For any 1020 users that are holding out for a replacement, I have no idea how you do it.
  • indoor color was always an awful yellow miscolored mess, and the lag time made it unusable except for still image shoots.  It was never good for shooting people, especially kids and the color was way off.  The camera was a novelty; you could shoot incredible nature photographs to impress your friends but if you put a subject in the frame it was a disaster and a frustrating mess of perpetually missed shots. 
  • It would have if the Cherry Trail Atom chip in it support USB 3.1. It only supports USB 3.0.
  • I think Continuum only becomes a selling point when Windows 10 ships on an Atom-powered phone.
  • "all (of) the bands" being key.  As the unlocking is really a non-issue for people that care: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-signs-bill-unlocking-cellphones/
  • Reserved Excitement Begins!
  • Great stuff, but I'm really looking forward to fingerprint scanners. It's so practical on my PC, I want one on my phone too. Microsoft needs groundbreaking hardware to spark interest in Windows 10 Mobile, not just up-to-date internals. Waterproofing could be nice too, I guess.
  • i really wonder how windows hello would work at night if teh implementation was based on an iris scanner. maybe they got some new technology or somthing. would like to see that, specially if it was as smooth as they demonstrated it.   And yeah it is time for a new device. but since the 1030 is something to be in 2016, does that mean we will be getting these devices within 2015.
  • The iris scanner will have an ir light so it can be used in the dark (The same as the three red dots on kinect for xbox one) + that an iris scanner will be almost the same as fingerprint. Just as easy!
  • Right, and what if you're wearing glasses? There might be some problems with these.
  • Remove the glasses, buddy. Simple.
  • They have said no problems with glasses or night conditions. So don't worry
  • I never used this technology... but from what I read it's more reliable than fingerprint...
  • I cross the border every week or two and go through an iris scan, never have to take my glasses off. The new scanner technology is quite good.
  • Where is 1020's successor?
  • The design is in progress and it is planed to be released next year.
  • Noooo I can't wait until 2016.
  • You might get more hardware for waiting like better processor (SD820?).
  • The article, you should read it. Then comment. Things work better that way in the world, I swear.
  • I just wished to see rumor specs on the next one.. I saw the rumor date lol
  • You should know that WC only reports on somewhat realistic rumors, right?  If you want completely unsubstantated rumors, I can make up specs if you'd like: 1040: 5.2 inch QHD display Qualcomm-based six core processor 3GB of RAM 32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot 41MP rear camera 5MP front facing camera, 3000 mAh removable battery USB Type-C How's that?
  • Not sexy. As my phone only outputs 34mp images. I want an upgrade. Lol
  • Released in 2016, L1040 could have used a newer 8 core processor which supports 4K video recording at 64/128 fps.  It could also have a 1040XL option that would be my choice.
  • It won't.  It'll likely be based on the same hardware that the rumored flagship will run.  The 1020 wasn't a radical hardware upgrade, and nor will the 1040.  Get over it. 
  • The flagship L940XL will be based on the Octa-core processoor which could be SD810 or SD820.  Either one could be a good base for L1040.
  • MUSTS: USB type-C (2x?) 15x10 aspect ratio 1920x1280, (or wider, up to 4x3 max) 6.3 inch screen (with this aspect ratio not too high) Rounded bottom corners for holding, square top corners to lower device height, screen near top Glance AMOLED, best NEAR MUSTS: W10 desktop X64 Atom 4000+ MAh battery 128GB storage, 64 acceptable LTE, HSxPA 3-4gb Light sensitive camera Stylus internally, or Anypen Nice-important Leather back, natural feel, no case Quite rugged (old school lumia rugged) OK things Dual sim SD-card
  • Did you get hit in the head?  If those are your musts, prepare to be disappointed.  And you will not have W10 desktop on a phone.
  • Well, one can ponder can't one. Just might bring ideas into peoples heads and try nudging them into a direction. If a small tablet can have this easily, its a matter of time before a phone can. It would help me greatly if I could run a full on web browser with java, so why not have continuum Pro, :-). And handleability has not been Lumia's best in the 8xx-plus range. I had the hardest laugh when the Kins came out, but I du assume that shape was way more comfortable to hold than any recent 8xx-plus Lumia handset.
  • Daniel...can you stop using logic on the internet...you'll break it. ;)
  • It's not about logic. It's about us having a 2 year-old phone with no replacement when our contracts are up. I'm not downgrading my camera. It is possible depending on my needs I may disconnect my phone. My new job provides a phone thus my 1020 is a phone for what? Camera? If that's the case I should look into purchasing a nicon or other device. If they released an upgrade late Oct I would be tempted to upgrade and pay a bill just to show people how amazing it is. But come fall I may turn off my cellular account. Then I'm less likely to upgrade if and when a new one arives.
  • You do know that you don't HAVE to upgrade right? You can just... you know... keep using the same phone and reduce your contract!
  • There is no reduce in Canada ;) same plan cost off and on contract
  • So my bill is $100 a month 2 years plus $200 to put down on a new phone that's $2600 not including tax. That could get me a good camera to replace my 1020. I don't need a phone anymore.
  • Not true. Off-contract, you can get a BYOP discount. Right now it's around $15 off a plan for all of the budget carriers (Fido, Koodo, Virgin). If they won't give it to you switch, or threaten to switch, to a different carrier.
  • Lol
  • Despite my disappointment with Microsoft because they offering all of their services from onedrive, Office, Bing, Outlook, Garage apps, Xbox games, Microsoft Band (Health), Cortana and even their MSN apps to other platforms. Disappointed because there is no longer feeling exclusive about have Window Phone. But with rumors about the successor Lumia 1020, makes me happy again. I almost decided to buy SG 6 Edge. But this article has canceled my intention. I have a Lumia 1020 since it was launched a few years ago. And if the rumors are true, I will give the last chance for Microsoft until 2016 to produce the successor Lumia 1020.
  • Exclusivity is overrated.  MS's mantra is trying to get as many people on as many devices to use their services.  That's how they make money.  You should get used to it now and save yourself some agrivation.
  • If you are real cityman you will be mine lol.
  • Why 3GB RAM?? Does that mean the older phones are going to lag while running the new os or are they going miss some features?
  • Of course older phones are going to miss some features. It's a new OS. We don't want a new OS where it does not leverage new hardware. As far as "lag", who knows, who cares, TBH.
  • Does Lagdroid come to mind at all? We dont want to become another Lagdroid or Winlag whatever lol. We care daniel, we dont want a laggy windows phone experience. I love windows phone because no matter if you get the most low end WP we wont have to worry about much lag at all. Im sure microsoft knows this and wouldnt let that happen. 
  • Lagdroid, as you say, is VERY different. The big complaint there is legit: even on a flagship device like the new Edge, you can experience lag. You cannot really ding Windows Phone for having lower performance on lower end devices. That is literally the reason why there are grades of hardware. You can ding Android though for needing 4GB of RAM (new Asus phone) to avoid lagging.
  • I'll be honest.  I've experienced very little lag or stutter on my LG G3.  So far every bad thing I've heard about Android has either been greatly exagerrated, or ultimately not as deal breaking as it was made out to be. 
  • My 1020 lags like crazy, people should stop fueling this joke myth that WP performance is great.  It lags as it scrolls, takes 60 seconds to open the camera, freezes, crashes, can't capture photos, lags during capture, stutters and lags through games and apps.  It lags when I switch apps.  My 8X lagged through scrolling all the time as well.  The 8X was much better than the android it replaced, but by no means lag free and since 8.1 the whole system has been a laggy nightmare on my 1020.  Downright unusable for standard phone operations and especially for the camera; everyone here goes on and on about lagdroid but it is entirely an imaginary OS benefit to assuage the complete absence of high end handsets and perpetual app gap.  My s6 edge doesn't lag at all. 
  • Wow really? I just did a hard reset (restoring from a backup though) coming off the Insider Preview on my 1020 back to Denim and everything seems just as snappy as it was when I bought it two years ago. Sounds like you need to backup and hard reset (it sounds hard but believe me it's actually not too bad).
  • Are you kidding me?  Window Phone is the laggiest OS out there, by a mile, even on the highest-end hardware it runs on (that't be the One M8). Every goddamn time I switch apps I see "resuming..."  Whenever I press the start button, I have to wait for the screen to turn black and then all the tiles to swoop in from the left, instead of just instantly being back on the start screen (it's instant on Android, BTW).  Launching most apps takes longer on the same hardware in WP than Android or iOS.  If that isn't lag, I don't know what is!!!
  • You probably need to factory reset.  My M8 doesn't do any of that nonsense. Zero lag, zero hiccups
  • > My M8 doesn't do any of that nonsense. Yes, it does, because that behavior is intrinsic to Windows Phone.  It works that way right out of the box.
  • Agreed with the hard reset above. Every device I've ever owned builds up junk after a while (yes, even Apple devices) and literally every device I wipe and start fresh performs far better than before. I remember once my old iPhone's battery life jumped from 12 to 16 hours per charge after wiping and reinstalling everything
  • definitely recommend a hard reset. Especially after doing updates from 8.0 to 8.1 or from 8.1 to 8.1.1 and idk what phones you are comparing but I ask any android user to open up his photos app and scroll thru his pictures, I guarantee my 925 wont lag, but my brothers Galaxy Edge does lag lol doesn't make any sense. My 925 is running on the snapdragon S4 -_- btw you are 100% right about the start screen but that's a problem with the animation being used because I only experience that stutter when leaving a graphic intensive app. Its like the GPU is never ready to take on that animation task back to Start.
  • These behaviors are intrinsic to Windows Phone.  My phone is working "perfectly."  And it isn't just my One M8.  It's my L920, my wife's L928, my HTC 8X and my L635, and my father's L830. It is also the way your Windows Phone...whatever one you have...works, too! It's the way Windows Phones work when they're working well.
  • I saw an article somewhere yesterday listing all kinds of potential issues and features that won't run nicely with Windows 10 on a 512mb RAM device.
  • it is on gsm.
  • That document does not mention Windows 10 and refers to the browser as Internet Explorer. Something is not adding up there.
  • I think thats why microsoft has been releasing low end and mid range phones with 1gb ram lately. 
  • It's a flagship phone, what do you expect? If Lumia wants to compete with Android, it must have high specs. W10 Mobile should run smoothly with 1GB of RAM.
  • I wish I did now lol. I wish it did lol.
  • Exactly then they might be able to bring back campaigns like smoked by windows phone
  • Full Windows 10 runs on 1 GB RAM. I'm sure W10 mobile will run well on 1GB RAM. 2GB RAM phones will be buttery smooth. 3GB RAM phones will be like lightning.
  • Probably yes. At least, less smoothness
  • Future-proof, for a couple of years anyway.
  • Hell, if you look at internals, a L1520 should be great for another two years. A phone is only truly obsolete when it can't run certain games and apps anymore.
  • Why not 3 gigs? It's the standard for flagships these days. If that 6 core processor is real, it sound like the 808? This phone sounds exciting, am very curious if this is the 840? I could live with this or a 940. Happy days ahead. That being said. I'm perfectly happy with the 830 currently.
  • Seeing how their chassis specs are its depends on screen size/resolution of said phone
  • 3GB because that's the technical limit for a 32 bit OS (Windows 10 Mobile). I thought they would have changed the kernel to 64bit by now. Atleast by the time Windows 10 is out.
  • They have put 3 gb ram for competition purpose mainly. All android flagships have 3-4gb ram
  • Some features may not present in any current devices but I hope that it will still be smooth to use and decently fast on 512MB RAM.
    Another thing is to compete with Android flagships that sport monster specs. Also makes Windows Mobile even faster and smoother (even current old device is still smooth).
    I wished they both use eight-core CPU though since I don't prefer 5.7-6+ inch phones also just bumped it to 4GB. Just a thought.
    I'm more excited for Lumia 1020 successor though, too bad it be there until next year.
  • Memory for the display comes out of the system RAM pool and these devices are rumored to have 2560x1440 displays (i.e., more pixels than a Surface Pro 3). Microsoft's hardware guidelines call for 3GB of memory for devices with displays of that resolution. As others have noted, it's probably also useful to note 3GB when comparing the Windows devices to Android devices. How big a market is going to accept "yeah, well Windows runs better in 2GB on a quad-core chip than Android does in 3GB on an octo-core chip?" It doesn't matter if that's true or not, having lower numbers puts the Windows device in a weaker position than the Android flagships. (This is also probably why Apple doesn't advertise memory sizes or processor speeds for the iPhones.)
  • It's mostly about supporting the screen resolution -- if you look at MS specs for RAM they track with screen resolution. Higher-res screens require more RAM. I assume (but haven't done any of the development myself), that storing the images to move up to the display and frame buffering force the RAM size. The effective additional RAM for applications may not be higher, because all the extra is consumed to support the high-res screen, meaning 1GB on a current Windows 8.1 phone could be the same performance-wise as 3GB on the new system with the nicer display. Of course, that's not counting the likely CPU upgrades, which would provide better performance on the new flagships, but that's different. Lag generally comes from moving big blocks of data in and out of RAM and out to the storage (where the OS and system architecture can make a big difference by minimizing these events or limiting them to situations where a user is not likely to be bothered by them), not on pure CPU performance, which is more of a straight compression on all times by a few percent (and where all OS's should benefit equally).
  • After the recent disaster in the highend Lumia market, Microsoft has literally no room to make any mistakes with their upcoming highend Lumias.
    It will be both wrong and unfair for both Microsoft and their premium Lumia users and very disgraceful after the very recent history.  If the rumors are true and they prioritize the Phablet against the regular size Lumia Flagship then this will be their Day One major mistake.
    That if the hexa/octa core rumors turns out to be true. They don't have the luxury, neither the excuses to screw this up. Personally I believe and expect both higend Lumias will come with an OctaCore Snapdragon 810 eventhought for a Fall release the even higher Snapdragon 820 chip is also a candidate and will come as a pleasant surprise.
  • LG's newest flagship has six cores. My powerful gaming PC has four. Don't be brainwashed by Android and the epenis competition. Seriously!
  • Hell, my gaming PC can run Crysis 3 at 1080p 60fps and it only has 4 cores! Some people just need to be able to brag about spec sheets, when they usually mean nothing.
  • You are comparing an ARM Core vs Intel Core on PC ?? Haha sorry but thats really dumb! 
  • It's not actually, many people see MOAR CORES=MOAR SPEED/POWER and that's not true at all. Sloths fight leopards. You can't open a bag of chips. Clearly humans are the weaker species.
  • People think the only difference between the 808 and 810 is just the Cores or the clockspeed, they basically think Snapdragon is just a CPU which is totally a super wrong approach.
    Snapdragon is a chipset solution a package with so many cellular technologies bundle together, CPU is just one element of this package.. I am sorry but I am not going to argue over 101 sessions here. Do your research before you assume people.
  • "Do your research before you assume people." yet your assuming what people think about the difference between the 808 and 810?? Ok then. I know what a snapdragon chipset is you don't need to explain that to me, the discussion was about CPU cores. The fact is it doesn't matter how many cores there are in a configuration, what matters is how powerful each core is. for example the dual core CPU in an iPhone is comparable to a quad core or octa core CPU in android\windows phones because it uses more powerful cores.  
  • @cg86 It is clear I was not referring to you. I actually agree with what you wrote :)
  • They are not comparing both the core systems. Let me explain, take for example the difference between an Intel 6 core is 5 times faster than an Intel 4 core. So crisis as a high graphic detailed game runs smooth on an Intel 4 core. Now shrink this whole thing down to an ARM core based unit. The crisis game is much more of a load on an Intel core than all the processes a phone needs to ever do, all its games included, on its ARM core. So basically, an ARM core 4 is more than enough to run a mobile phone smoothly. So yes, a core 6 is unnecessary and all just to brag about specs and act cool. :)
  • You don't get it do you? Did I mention or say anything about performance problem with the HexaCore?
    It is outdated and wrong marketing to release a highend device with Snapdragon 808 in the fall, when currently meaning right now, competitive highend devices are offering better and higher performance solutions. Besides there are huge technological advantages in the 810 against the 808 including a much higher performance GPU and lastly it doesn't make sense to have an identical device with two different screen sizes but with different chipsets and all happening within the timeframe of Snapdragon 820 launch window. Currently HERO Flagship devices are the normal size phones. Most major Phablet attempts to act as a hero flagship devices has failed dramatically. iPhone 6 is the iconic iOS device no the 6 Plus, Galaxy S6 is the iconic Samsung device not the Note, the Nexus line is clinically dead right now because of Google's decision to only release just a Phablet with their Nexus 6 offering. In our neigberhood, how many people completely ignored the Lumia 1520 and stayed with outdated Lumias because of the 1520 screensize? Even when the 1520 was the ONLY highend available, it NEVER became a flagship or a HERO device. Besides all, do you think it is right for Microsoft to basically telling its premium users, if you want the latest and greatest Windows 10 based Lumia you have to go with our latest Lumia Phablet?
  • I'd rather they not use that nasty, overheating power hungry MESS of a chip at all. (SD810) It's definitely the reason LG went with the SD808. Look at what a mess the HTC M9 is and how poorly the phone is selling. With a 3000mah battery & QHD screen they'd be lucky to get more than 3 hours screen on time or get through a day if the competition's anything to go by. The SD808 is very powerful & will handle anything with aplomb. These specs are excellent. They've addressed people's frustrations (better camera,expandable storage,removable battery) on a flagship & added groundbreaking new features like the iris scanner. If they keep glance and the HAAC surround sound microphones upgrading will be a no brainer for lumia fans.
  • Who said the 810 has heating issues? The random bloggers? Or the other random bloggers that quote them?
    All official or professional tests and all phones that are currently base on 810 saying there are no such heating issues. At least no major difference from the current flaghship chipsets like the Snapdragon 800 or 808. Even if the THEORETICAL heating issue existed, then why Microsoft is putting the chipset on their Phablet Lumia and not the regular size Lumia?    
  • The early batches of the SD810 had over heating issues - why do you Samsung went with their own chip for the S6? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-20/samsung-said-to-drop-q...
  • Samsung used their own ARM solution because well... they have their own ARM solution.
    Exynos is getting mature and Samsung's silicon facilities are growing to be the best of their kind. Isn't that a logical move? If Qualcomm or Intel ever release phone hardware do you think they will use Samsung's Exynos or their own solutions?
  • From what I've read, the SD810 DID have heating issues but it has long since been corrected.  So a non issue there.   I too think that the new flagships need to come with the 810 as it offers more features than the 808, not just speed and cores.
  • The Snapdragon 820 is rumored to have only 4 cores.  Qualcomm appears to be getting tired of the bit.LITTLE game, and will go back to high performance optimized cores of the Krait generation.  More cores =/= better performance.  I'd rather have more performance squeezed out of each core. 
  • Kind of wish they offered a 64 GB version. Micro SD cards are so slow to upload files onto.
  • You sound like this is an official announcement.  You do realize this is just a rumor..  Microsoft has not offered anything yet.
  • ^ THIS ^ +1
  • That depends if this phone also supports the UHS standard for SD cards then the the read/write speed would be no bottleneck anymore.
  • 32GB and SD is huge. Most of the Windows phones that support SD come with only 8GB onboard.
  • Specs on the Talkman look great and this would finally be a true successor to my 920! But while the 830 type aluminum body frame is nice, I'm sick of the square slippery edges already and would prefer a 940/945 flagship with rounded edges like the Lumia 925 or LG G3.
  • I thought the same thing - the rounded edges on the 925, and the iphone 6 for that matter, are so much nicer to hold in the hands, but the flat ridgid edges on the Icon/930 make the phone so durable - its a beast.........Ive dropped my Icon so many times, i cant count, and all i have are a few dings on the edges, and some hairline scratches on the screen from my daughter pushing the phone on a laminate floor face down like a truck (literally the week i bought the damn thing).......
  • Bored of waiting. Going back to iPhone. Contracts up and my 925 is smashed to bits, no choice really. 
  • And...  Why bother posting go.  Tired of all these people crying.  If you are going, go.. My life will go on without you and such a lame post.
  • He wants attention!
  • no
  • Take care!
  • "...my 925 is smashed to bits..." Good luck with that iPhone, then.
  • Dropped it my friend
  • I broke the screen on my 928 (well my daughter did) and I bought a replacement on eBay for $85.  I am holding out for a new Lumia (or Surface) flagship phone.
  • Same here only it wasn't your daughter that smashed mine :) mine will be here in a day or two
  • Have fun with IOS, iTunes, and all those hardware restrictions..............LOL............you'll be back
  • Mine's been great, still don't see a reason to come back and several to stay away.  I'd like to come back but, as I said, no reason too.
  • Interesting choice; as a WP user, music services/apps would be the last thing I'd choose to make a snarky comment about.
  • Get a 640/640 XL for the coming months and upgrade when the flagship arrives.
  • Wish I could afford to man
  • Then why iPhone? wtf u don't have money but are buying iPhone
  • Free upgrade on my contract
  • Because the iPhone will run Windows 10 so well...? Don't forget, they make iPhones out of the same glass that is used in movies when they break bottles on stuntman's head in a bar fight.
  • Seems windows are going cross platform with their apps anyway. 
  • It is nothing personal guys.  And no I do not want attention lol.  Its just that my screen is cracked and contracts up and I have been holding out for ages but the time has come.  Nothing against Microsoft, well apart from the seemingly complete random nature of their updates/releases. I just find them very frustrating indeed, they are one of the biggest companys in the world and in my book they should be acting accordingly. 
  • If you do get an iPhone, be sure to get a case that rises above the screen edges so you can lay it face down without fear. I bought the standard leather one, way too much money but it does do the job, very minimal, and gives a better grip.
  • See the bullies, I feel with you. My 1020 stopped charging this weekend, luckily I might just survive until the summer with the 8X that now luckily runs on 8.1.1. Just get something similar into the summer on ebay.
  • I've been using the Asus Zenfone 2 and the Intel CPU on board is quite good. I wonder if one of the Windows 10 phone flagships is using an Intel CPU with the RealSense 3D camera enabled for Windows Hello. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Most MS enthusiasts want a windows 10 flagship phone with an Intel CPU, it makes most sense with continuum. But stubborness (or more likely pride) is powerful and for some reason decision makers at MS think ARM is awesome.
     
  • seems like every phone maker thinks arm is awesome.
  • Graphical processing power and battery efficiency are clearly huge advantages for the ARM based Qualcomm.NVIDIA chips.  They are doing more, with less..........but do not offer backwards x86 compatability, which with Continiuum, could be a real game changer.  We will see when some phones are released with ATOM x3 chips into the wild.  
  • "The site also hints that a successor to the Lumia 1020, with its 41MP camera, is in the works but it won't be out until 2016"   OOOOOOOO MYYYYYYY GOOODDDD.. I'm soooooo happy....
  • Me too! I think I might just wait for that.
  • Happy and yet sad that it' coming out way later.... I've already have my 1020 for almost 2 years...........
  • I've had my 920 since launch day.....please....
  • @jayruguitar, many are in that boat (myself included) my 920 is going strong just the battery has become exhausted and charge to charge times have decreased dramatically.
  • I squeeled when I read that line! I know it's just a rumour but it's one I'm SO happy to hear! Other than the new panasonic smartphone no one's really pushed the limits of smartphone photography in a while. Can't wait!!!!
  • Of cource they would, regular mini usb are in past, they just can't ignore usb type C.
  • Would be a nice touch if they included some adapters though (at least microUSB <-> Type-C & USB3.0 <-> Type-C). Shouldn't be an issue with these high-end phones and their margins (one is required for charger, and the other would cost like $1.5 to MS).
  • Heavy breathing...
  • I want one, now. How heavy will it be with that size battery?
  • Not much I would say, the 1520 isn't that heavy.
  • Now I'm looking forward to it !
  • All Windows 10 Mobile powered phones (future releases) should follow a consistent resolution path. Like the lowends with the same resolution and the highends with the same resolution. And no octacores please. Nobody is going to optimise their apps for all kinds of resolution and cores. MS just needs to follow along the lines of the iPhone.
  • Why no octacores?
    Why copy the boring iphone which has just got stretched, added a slightly bigger battery and OIS - which phones have had for over 2 years now.
  • Because devs don't optimize their apps for Octacore processors. Heck, most don't even optimize apps for quad core processors. And by the iPhone I mean to have the same resolution which is more consistent. You don't want WP to be the new Android, right? I'm a dev and I know why iOS is the most loved OS (by devs).
  • If it is true, take my money!
  • I can, I can build a flagship? Flagship, FLAGSHIP, FLAAAAAAGGGGSHHIIIIPPPP!!!! (lets see who gets it)
  • Wish they would take suggestions on their devices as well via the insiders.
  • I would say that's a Lego Movie reference.
  • That movie was so good dear lord xD :D
  • Spaceship!
  • I'm really excited. I like what I'm hearing and said earlier I wouldn't buy another phone until it has usb-c. Looks like we're all in luck.
  • One thing is for sure... when it comes to phones, MS is SLOW. They should have a new flagship phone, and I mean a proper flagship phone ready for the launch of Windows 10. Not having it ready to coincide will make a lot of people hold off adopting and so a lot of the 'buzz' will be lost over that initial 3-6 month (at least) period. As a side note and completely off topic, I have to admit that I am now warry of continuing with Windows Phone as I have come across what is a major issue (for me in the way I use my phone).
    I created album folders within my 'pictures' section on my SD card and recently I copied everything off my phone to my PC. Now the issue is, when I copy these album folders back to the SD card, the phone is selectively not recognising them and so doesn't show either the folders under 'albums' nor the photos at all... anywhere. Yet the images are not corrupted and are viewable through my PC while the phone is connected (obviously).
    This is a serious issue for me as I take a lot of photos and don't want everything with me all the time but like to switch things back and forth. Looking for similar issues and possible solutions has turned up nothing as yet... (partly why I also mention it here as I seem to have come to a dead end).   EDIT: My phone is a Nokia Lumia 735 with all updates.
  • What makes you think this won't be ready for W10M release? W10M is still a long way from coming out.
  • This is old information but here is a quote from PCAdvisor: 'The software is the same for all devices with 8in screens or smaller. The final version of Windows 10 for phones will be ready at the same time as Windows 10 for larger-screen devices. The initial announcement was for 'fall' or autumn here in the UK but it looks like Microsoft might bring it forward.' So Windows 10 Mobile is due either at launch or shortly after, whereas the replacement for the 1020 (the true flagship IMO) won't be until 2016.
  • I guess history made him think that
  • Happened to me once. I have around 15k photos. Had to reset my phone. All worked fine then.
  • I was thining I might have to do that... Thanks.
  • @SchizoHammer.
    Your question is for the forum. But anyway. The photo hub needs some time to "update" the internal file system. After that your photo's will appear again in the album folders.
  • Thanks for the reply. Depends on how long you mean by 'some time'. I have left the phone for several hours and nothing updates or changes. What shows up, shows up straight away and what doesn't never appears. I'll try it again tonight and will leave it over night (having to leave it that long would also suck) but I imagine it won't make a difference so I think a reset is on the cards.
     
  • Low level format that SD on a Windows PC then stick it back in.  Most if not all my SD problems went away after that even if the phone did a subsequent format.
  • Thanks Novron but correct me if I am wrong but there is no such thing as 'low level format' for SD cards. However, I'll try formatting the SD card (both on the phone and in a PC if needed) and see if that makes a difference before I reset the phone itself.
  • By low level, I mean turn the "quick format" check box off.  Yes, you can do that on an SD card.
  • Everything points to them launching flagships with W10. The "940" and the "940XL".
  • Considering that MS have already 'hinted' at a 1020 replacement in the works that won't be out until 2016 (as mentioned in the article) the 940 and the 940XL can't be thought of as 'flagship'.
    As I said before, In my opinion MS should have planned a porper flagship for launch of W10, something that wouldn't be superceded for at least 6-9 months... if not a year. Something with the specs to equal the latest Android and iOS phones while packing the far superior camera.
  • They are flagship. But in 9 months time they may announce the 1020 replacement. That can then take over.
  • Cityman I WANT YOU. Now.
  • Ok Posters, we really need to clean up this crap.  I am tired of seeing stupid posts about how people are tired of waiting and going to something else.  WHO CARES!!!  Your phone choice has no impact on my life, and I am wasting time reading such crap.  Go leave be gone.  Add something to the article or shut up.  At least I did not see a post (yet) about where the new version of Windows 10 Mobile is.  Sorry I had to rant.
  • Agree
  • Blow me, wet back. Im tired of you people telling the rest of us what we can and can't post. Someone is unhappy with the offerings? They can post it if they good and damn well feel like it. How in the hell else does it get out that they aren't making us happy? Just keep saying, "Thank you sir, may I please have another?"
  • Go to the forums whiny poster. Stop ruining the front threads. We don't care what you think and we are tired of posters like you saying the same.
  • These posts are to discuss the article that they are under.  Go to the Forums and post to your heart content. If I wanted to read about someone not happy with Microsoft and switching to Android and iPhone, then I can go look for a relevant article or the Fourms.  I do not care to read it on a n article about future phones coming.  Personally I could care less if anyone switches from any phone.  But my life is not as empty as people's that need to post it, and see if they get any confirmation on their empty lives.   "They can post it if they good and damn well feel like it. How in the hell else does it get out that they aren't making us happy" I am sure Microsoft does not go through Windows Central articles, looking for people that are complaining and say they are switching from Windows Phone, if they did then there would of been a flagship phone looooooong time ago. I just think it is common courtesy to post about the article.    
  • How about if you dont like what they are saying, dont read it? I personally dont like anything you have posted, but sure as heck doesnt mean you can't post it. The only crying I really see, is coming from you.
  • Well, since I read the article and I am always curious on what people think about the article.  That is why I read the comments, there is a wealth of information in comments most times.  But lately it appears to be for people that want attention.    I do not think it is that hard to comment about the article.  But hey I would not expect some people to understand.  Maybe instead of calling names you can explain why it is alright for them to post about non related items. Funny I had to read up what wet back is, interesting never heard the term, as I am not from the United States.  But you are definitely living up to its reputation.  
  • Someone needs to vent up some anger and frustration toward Microsoft.. Free forum..
  • @thecanuckguy, I imagine not many people pay attention to their whinging as they probably have grown tired off it. So they come here and just plaster the comments with their whine.
  • They need to step up their game and deliver a truly unique and innovative smartphone. Not this polycarbonate stuff similar to everything we already have. They have to deliver something remarkable such as the Samsung Galay S6 Edge or the iPhone 6
  • This^^^
  • What's remarkable about the iPhone 6?
  • It's magical, powered by unicorn farts and such. Oh and that whopping 5 megapixel camera.
  • Paper thin, feather light, does everything and barely notice it in your pocket.
  • My same thought too, Microsoft is a hardware company today, we know the Galaxy S6 and iPhone 6 have the best build quality, so IMO Microsoft's flagship should be made of metal and glass instead of polycarbonate.
  • Changing colors of the phone is a pretty popular feature for WP users though.
  • Have you actually held the Galaxy S6 Edge?  Did this weekend.  It was aweful.  I know this seems nitpicky to some, but it was so wierd that I had to just put it down and never actually used it.  That is a case of the tail wagging the dog when it comes to "technology advancement".  MS Hello wil be a big selling point to enterprise as well as personal as you will not have to remember a code or share it and it will be consistent across the ecosystem with multiple ways to use biometrics to get onto your devices.  The iPhone6 is not remarkable in any way except that people buy it in droves due to it being a iPhone.  The poly allows for wireless charging. The iPhones do not have that.  The Galaxy's just added that.  I am actually considering buying a few IKEA tables with the built in charger to go along with the new flagship so I can just leave the thing there to charge. Now if they came out with a poly-like substrate that was not conductive and not very heavy and looked cool, would that change your mind?  Didn't think so.  The truth is that the phone described above (so long as its AC wireless and has a decent battery life) will work for almost everyone and be fast enough to run almost anything. Everything else is just nit picking.
  • I did hold a S6, what's wrong about it? The Edge is probably the most beautiful phone I've ever held in my hand. It's powerful, it's beautiful, it's slim, it's light and it's got wireless charging. Say what?
  • Iphone 6? Innovative?!
    That malleable piece of boring junk...lol...
  • No progress on camera? :-(
  • Guess I'll have my 925 until 2016.
  • Also agree that the specs look healthy and welcoming.  Would have preferred to see options for 64 or 128 MB storage (alongside the microsSD) as this allows personal choice/price point as well as utilising SD storage as personally required.  Equally, would be more than pleased if these phones come with dual SIM as it would be damned useful here in Europe. Let's hope we see more defivitive specs sooner than later and shipping dates in early to mid 2H 2015 and not anywhere near Christmas!
  • Yep. Why do they refuse to offer 64 and 128? This isn't that damn hard.
  • It's not hard to manufacture, but it becomes a stocking nightmare.  Also what is the benefit over a 32GB device with expandable memory?  Apple doesn't over expandable memory so it has to offer multiple device options. 
  • Except they have not announced anything, so how hard is it to understand this is a rumor.
  • 64 or 128 MB... easy there mate, next you'll be telling us that 640kB isn't enough RAM.
  • @Bloobed, lool.
  • I will say that anything below these specs will be a disappointment after waiting so long for a flagship device... So this rumor better be true!
  • I'm liking the specs of the Talkman... This is going to be awesome if true.
  • Better be on vzw!
  • No Dual Sim, no deal...
  • 6" screen. Dont move backwards.
  • My wish list for phone TOP NOTCH camera (better than Iphone 5), BETTER BATTERY, and minimum 32 gig storage, and a MAX 5" size screen. I don't need the latest whiz bang processor nor a gazliion pixel screen. It seems like all the "hero" phones anymore are minimum 5.2" superhi res screen and fancy processor.  This means they are BIG and suck the life out of batteries.
  • Wow. It's a highs-and-lows day ain't it?
    Lows: All of MS USP loses the U
    Highs: Leaks of rumours of possible new high-end devices months/years after the competition offer the same.
    Did I say Highs? My mistake.
  • WTF are you talking about?
  • I want windows hello on the surface pro 4, and a flagship phone already and type c usb
  • Just a few more months and all of your wishes will come true.  I think they might have included the Windows Hello hardware on the Surface 3 (not Pro).
  • I think they lost me. W10M has to come out by the beginning of August or I'll be forced to get a different phone. And it has to come out in Japan.
  • Your old phone will just quit working on August 1?
  • Ooh, the millennium bug must have woken up from hibernation! Lol..
    However, they will have to release pretty much every where - (markets with disposable income) to capitalize on the buzz windows 10 would create.
  • I'm happy to hear it's polycarbonate, I'm not a fan of an all aluminum body that just gets covered with a skin anyway
  • 940 and 940xl
  • I reckon it will be called 950 and 950xl
  • Why? 40 denotes a Windows 10 generation device much like 30 was for 8.1 and 20 for 8. Why would they call then the 950 and 950 XL? It's not random you know.
  • Oh really? I looked hard but I found no Windows 10 on the 640, 640xl or the 540. The 40 series was introduced with Windows Phone 8.1 Update 2.
  • Nice
  • I'm hoping the Talkman end up a 5.2 inch device.  While I did enjoy certain aspects of the 1520, the size was too large for me.
  • I agree.  i have a 1520 and found it to be too big.  I bought an 830 and love it.  It is the perfect size.  The contract on the 1520 is up in Nov. so I'll be jumping on the talkman ASAP.
  • It's awesome
  • Removable battery!
  • This is exciting times! I hope Cityman have a pen. That 5.7 inch screen for me is a bit waste without pen. Windows 10 Mobile + Pen would be awesome!
  • This^^
  • THIS^^^
  • Why limit it the larger screen? :P
  • THAT^^^^
  • There's a setting listing for "speech, inking and typing" in W10 for Mobile currently, but no actual settings page for inking. Wouldn't be surprised to see an active stylus soon on a flagship
  • Interesting, so that may be a good sign there will be a pen support for phones, especially phablets.
  • USB-C is not only available on the new MacBook. It's there on a new Chromebook as well.
  • Only on the Pixel, which is a low production device.
  • 5.7 screen too small.
  • There is always the 1520 at just 0.3" larger
  • Cityman for me..
  • Indeed but unfortunately that's not going to change unless the rumoured 6 inch Note 5 sells well.
  • yayyy! rumour or not this thing is exiting....
    why a fringer scanner .. it is so old school everyone has those... this "men" (XD) should have the intel real sense cams for face recognition... they are already possible within a smartphone... that would be different and attractive...
    usb c would be real fast in the continuum thing... 3gb ram probably to manage 2 screens without any glitch... every thing is falling into place the rumour Dena real!.. * excited*
  • I would prefer the design to be similar to the Lumia 925. That was the best-looking phone ever and Microsoft has done nothing with it since the Nokia acquisition.
  • no... lumia 720 is the sexiest phone .....ever!
  • 920's design is the best. That plate around the camera looks awesome.
  • I agree.  The 925 is a great looking phone, but the 830 is an evolution of that.  Both devices have the metal edge with polycarb back.  The main difference is the shape of the edges.  I like the rounded sides on my 920 (similar but better than the 720 IMO), so hopefully the metal edge will be rounded like the 925.  Hopefully it won't be as tapered as the 1520.  That was too thin at the edge for me at that large size.
  • "Type-C connection port, which so far is only available on Apple's new MacBook" ¿What about the Chromebook pixel 2015, with TWO USB-c ports (plus 2 "classic" USB 3 ports)?  
  • No one cares about Chromebook. It might as well not exist :P
  • That's an incredibly bad and immature argument to cover up a mistake in an article. The fact is, the Pixel has two USB-C ports. Another fact? People buy Chromebooks (including the Pixel). 
  • Poor handling
  • You use the same "argument" that many people use against Window Phone? Great!  >:-D In any case, I don't think that millions of buyers (and growing) count as "no one" (whether you said it seriously or :-P).
  • Hope to see new design, material, and less bezel.
  • I hope it will come with 6 inches or above cuz QHD requires bigger screen to notice the difference compared to the FHD.
  • An aluminum frame? But I like my pure black 920. :( Oh well, I'll probably like the look of the new phones too. But maybe not quite as much.
  • They might tint the metal like Apple is doing.  They've already done it for special editions of the 930.  A case is always an easy way to change the color too.
  • Didint the new Nokia Tablet have the USB-C port as well.. was that announced later than the macbook?
  • No, it was announced earlier, although it was still the speed of USB 3.0, so there was no actual benefit.
  • Fuck 5.7, make it 6 inch.
  • I thought the same thing until I went from a 920 to a 1520.  The 1520 is too big for me despite being a tall guy with large hands.  5.7 isn't much smaller, but it might be that sweet spot for screen size everyone is looking for.  I want the Cityman phone because of the processing power, but I'm still cautious about the screen size.  I have moved back to using my 920 as my daily phone, and I'll be putting the green 1520 on Ebay this week.
  • It doesn't exist "may", they must support it.
  • All mid to high end Lumia phones after these should come with USB type C as standard.
  • All Lumia phones should come with type-C.  Use one standard across the board that even Apple is adopting.  People will complain initially like they did when Apple went to the lightning cable, but it will be better for everyone.  No more asking if someone has the cable you need to charge because everyone will use the same thing...in theory.
  • charging through the usb type c will be real fast.... nice It is here..
  • Cityman will be mine, can't wait. And so will the 1020 sucessor. These two will replace my 1520 and 1020 repectively. I'm a bit concerned about the USB type C as it means that a hard to find cable/adaptor will have to be used. That said 2015 will be the year of Microsoft and I'm so happy.
  • Talkman sounds perfect and the design with the aluminum band sounds good too. Guessing it will be thinner, lighter and faster than the 930 :) The wireless charging is a must moving from the 930 and the SD card is a bonus. All good, yeah!
  • It looks great! The USB Type-C sounds interesting enough, and I'm glad both have microSD card support. Does the usage of 64-bit SoC's suggest Microsoft plans to shift over to a 64-bit kernel or is just specs race?
  • Seeing as Windows 10 is supposed to be "universal," I assume the mobile version has 32bit and 64bit kernel options just like the desktop.
  • What's the difference between 32bit and 64bit?
  • It's somewhat complicated (Not nearly as complicated as many other things in the realm of computing), but in its most distilled form: It determines how large an integer can be when computing. So a 32 bit operating system can use (unsigned) integers up to a max of 2^32 -1, or 4,294,967,295. A 64 bit operating system, however, can use (unsigned) integers up to 2^64 -1, or approximately 1.18 X 10^19. That's over 4 billion times more integers to work with! So obviously, much more complex calculations with far larger or more complex integers can be performed. Likewise, 32bit operating systems max out at only being able to use 4GB of RAM, whereas a 64bit operating systems can already go upwards of 200GB of RAM! (And theoretically capable of handling more, assuming the OS is designed to properly allocate and manage such large amounts of memory). So as with all things that are exponential: The potential growth and gains are huge. As such, 64bit is very lucrative for any developer who needs to access more resources, needs to power to drive stuff. The huge gains in the potential to perform calculations gives a huge boost in power, especially for graphic and imaging processing. Now, 64bit doesn't /automatically/ mean better performance. Just like having multiple cores, while the hardware has the potential to do great things, it only matters if the software leverages it. And indeed, if you're running a 64bit desktop PC, it's still likely that most the programs you use will run in 32bit, simply because the software doesn't need that extra power and the developer just doesn't feel like it'd be worth the work. Still, 64bit on phones and mobile devices is becoming a thing. And with these new phones being flagship devices to show off new Continuum features, which includes the power to run separate monitors like a full desktop: We certainly could use as much power as we could get. Disclaimer: I'm only a computing enthusiast, not an expert (yet), and therefore I wrote this to the best of my knowledge. I probably got a thing or two wrong in here, so if I did and you know better: Feel free to (politely) correct me. Thanks!
  • I cannot wait!
  • I'm a bit dissapointed that the next flagship from Microsoft will be with polycarbonate instead of metal. Microsoft purchased Nokia to become a hardware company like Apple and Samsung that also build software. They should look forward to compete with the iPhone 6 and the Galaxy S6, and not the other dozens of OEMs making mediocre build quality phones (like LG G4 for example, which is a mediocre built phone)
  • Can you wirelessly charge through metal?
  • No, but you can through glass.
  • 3gb of ram is not Enough for Gaming
  • I would love a Lumia 1020 successor but whatever one comes to T-Mobile I will be happy with. All the checks have been marked on my wishlist for these devices. Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
  • Wireless charging! Happy to hear this
  • Me too! Let's hope AT&T doesn't try to mess it up.
  • Doesn't one of Google's own Chromebooks feature a Type-C port or two, as well as a Nokia branded tablet?
  • Waiting for you..
  • Talkman looks great to me, I also hope that it is available on Verizon. The 'design similar to 830' actually excites me! And having uSD card and wireless charging <drool> I'm genuinely excited to ditch my Icon for this. Only thing missing for me is confirmation of a physical camera button, but I imagine that will be there. I also would prefer fingerprint reader (add it in addition to iris if you must) as it would be way more convenient than the iris scanner for unlocking the phone.
  • Am I the only one scratching my head at the "QHD" display spec? A Windows 10 flagship phone with a 960x540 resolution?  My old Lumia 920 and current 1020 have 1280x768 in 4.5 inch displays.  Having a 47% reduction in pixels on a screen that is roughly 20% larger is going to look like garabage by comparison.  That spec can't be right. And given that, it makes me regard the rest of the rumor as highly suspect.
  • QHD = (2560x1440)
  • You got it wrong. You have HD (1280x768), FHD (1920x1080), QHD (2560x1440) and so on... The specs are rights. You're the one who made the mistake. I would rather have FHD than QHD because it would give a much greater time to your battery till it drains out besides QHD doesn't make such of a difference
  • Echo to that. Battery life is a concern for me too.
  • My bad...
    I read that as qHD instead of QHD.  qHD is 960x540.  I guess my brain didn't naturally gravitate toward having nearly 3.7 million pixles on a phone screen.
  • 8 core?! Now that sounds like a very good flagship is coming up! I cant wait!
  • I really hoped they could use HD instead of QHD since it would be much better in terms of battery usage.
  • i will buy lumia 1020 successor nothing in between :)
  • I had been speculating Type-C for some time. It opens doors. Yes, Continuum could theoretically function with just miracast and BT, but Type-C allows for a more seamless experience as there's no pairing (which, for typical users, can be a challenge). I'm not too sure on the iris scanner. I vaguely remember a session from Ignite or maybe Build where they mentioned that they were still working on the specifications for that. I would expect a special front facing camera or fingerprint scanner, more likely the fingerprint scanner. But I do imagine we'll see hardware for Windows Hello.
  • Seems nice.
  • These phones are the Lumia 840 and Lumia 840 XL, like I am saying for months.   The Lumia 940 will be the 1020 sucessor's, and wont launch this year...
  • I think these will be the Lumia 940 and Lumia 940XL and the 1020 sucessor will be the 1040 in 2016.
  • MS wont use 1xxx anymore. Just look at the Lumia 640 XL.
  • Well the 40 series is already done with the WP8.1 Update 2. The new OS may accompany the 50 series. But who knows MS may just reset the numbering or may be have a new numbering scheme!
  • Ok to use USB c port for phone, as hardly to use any peripheral devices, but no no for surface devices.. At least one USB c port and one normal USB port
  • Finally something for poor 920 owners. I just love the screen of Lumia 920. Hope MS will not disappoint us. My two contract with EE has expired and changed it to 30 days rolling contract. Waiting for new flagship passionately...
  • Did the same. £18.99 per month, sweet deal.
  • Cityman sounds like my kind of phone...but I'll take Talkman if I have to. Hopefully, if these are real devices, T-Mobile will get one of them!
  • What abou the micro USB requirement the European Union made years ago?  
  • US only devices maybe?
  • USB Type C is compatible with USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 so that means you can still use your USB charger with a adapter that converts the USB Type C signal to a USB power connection your adapter uses.
  • Hopefully they will both have wireless charging and full nfc as well
  • Like it ask except waiting for Southey YEAR to replace my 1020. Otherwise, keys hopes this is correct
  • The rumometer should be updated to say Windows Central.
  • Beefy hardware! Hope it throws windows mobile to the top....
  • Hoping "Wireless charging" means #Qi.
  • Course it does... ...i hope
  • Yes, unless AT&T has their was and has it removed. Bastards.
  • TAKE MY MONEY RIGHT FUCKING NOW, MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR PREORDER OR SOME SHIT IDK JUST FUCK IT
  • My only problems with my 930 have been the lack of MicroSD, the thickness, the non-interchangeable back cover and the lack of glance screen. Hopefully the talkman will be a worth upgrade. 5.2" screen is pushing it size wise, but, that's the way the world's going right now. Looking forward to getting my hands on that sweet 6-core processor and 3GB RAM!
  • Forget about microSD cards, they are not reliable and can be bricked after a few years of use, it happened to me on a 32GB microSD card I owned. With that said, I think there should be options for 64GB and 128GB too on these phones.
  • Which brand was your microSD card?
  • Not pleased about the smaller screen size but overall sounds good.  I wonder if AT&T will strip out any hardware this time?
  • I fear that too.
  • We need a new version of the 1520. Can't go smaller than 6'' after all this time. ONCE YOU GO 1520 YOU CAN'T GO BACK!
  • Damn right!
  • Just hold it closer to your face, it will be the same thing.
  • USB type C is also on the Nokia N1 tablet and the new Chromebook Pixel.
  • "USB Type-C connection port, which so far is only available on Apple's new MacBook" Google beat Apple to market with the Chromebook Pixel.
  • One USB type-c? It had better come with a microUSB for charging then. 32gb? My old Nokia had 32gb. I really hope the 1020 successor has 8 or 12X lossless zoom, and a 6" variant.
  • Not sure why they'd add micro for charging when type c is just better.
  • The numbers of cores tho
  • Forget about the men phones, 1040 is coming!!!!
  • Why do you insist on referring to these lacklustre devices as "flagships"?  They MAY be above mid-range, but they're nowhere close to flagship by current standards---certainly not the CAMERA.  I'm holding onto my 1020 for a while longer, it looks like.  They should start calling the new devices #LAMIA
  • Errrriiii...
  • Flagship phones dont require 41MP. You are talking about a niche phone. Flagship phones are for the masses that want hardware with the latest and greatest before becoming some specialized and very specific.
  • If they build it, I will buy it. That's phone sounds great. What I BEEN wanting from MS, full fledged flagship like my 1520.
  • Will MAP profiles will be included on Windows phones
  • "which so far is only available on Apple's new MacBook"   And of course on the Nokia N1 Tablet ;)
  • True, the Nokia that is not er...well, Nokia also has it
  • If these actually become real phones, I want the one with the 5.2" display to be my next Lumia.
  • Soo no new flagship until next year. Flagships do have the best cameras.
  • A 20mp camera is plenty for the general public.
  • It could have a superb camera. I'd take less than 20mp as long as it had the best sensor.
  • Why bother, when Microsoft is supporting Android more than their own platform, they should just cancel their flagship plans and make an Android phone instead
  • Why? I moved from android and I'm very happy. Android requires daily memory fixing, cpu heat fixing and virus scans. Glad to be rid of that. People on droid never talk about how bad and slow the os is over time.
  • I know, but even Microsoft seems to push more for Android, they even released office lens for Android today, I think
  • Well, your going to have to get used to it. Microsoft wants to be everywhere and that means being on every platform (which make most monetary sense).
  • Then why not release an Android device, right?
  • Because Android is crap compared to Windows.
  • True, but what sells more?
  • Well, makes no difference for 2 reasons. Selling one sack of crap or 2millions sacks, its still crap. Once Windows 10 hits PC's, Tablets, Phones, Xbox etc, it will have a market share larger than Apple and Android put together.
  • Hopefully that will happen, but what if w10 isn't the game changer a lot of people expect?
  • So why is Apple developing Mac and iPhone, they release itunes for Windows.  Your argument lacks substance.
  • ?????? Lumia 930 was better than iphone 5. And iphone 5 came after. Sorry. Iphone specs aren't great. And Lumia 930 still has a better camera than iphone 6.
  • Now this is real news !!
  • But , when they are available These processors will be out dated Snap 815 and 820 are coming !
  • Later this year, one would imagine and any longer the antsy whiners are going to implode.
  • Coming too late for these phones.
  • Hello cityman. Honestly they seem like a phone and a xl partner happening here. Hopefully its new numbers and not an upgrade to what's out. If the successor to the 1020 is a 5inch I would buy it
  • Ill be pissed if there isnt a 6" screen to replace my 1520
  • Maybe the bezel is much slimmer?
  • Hmm, these rumoured devices are beasts
  • Yes. So? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Very nice. Much better than s6. So really good.
  • Darn, was really happy till I read about the 1020 successor rumour. I don't think I can hold out till 2016 to upgrade my 1020. I hoping ms surprises us and bumps up the MP of both these devices to 41. As it stands, those specs are too dam good to turn down
  • "Which so far is only available on Apple's new MacBook" It was available first on NOKIA N1 tablet you prick, STOP SUCKING APPLE'S DICK HERE AT WC.
    You are really a bad dick writer, and Daniel should take you out
  • Getting emotional over an article.... Eash.. Grow up.
  • I'm looking forward to these devices even though my Lumia 900 is serving well as a flagship even without LTE. My first cellphone ever was a Nokia Cityman. I remember proudly showing off that brick to my boss and suggesting he should split the cost with me because he could now reach me on the road. He declined. Service was spotty, there were all of these incompatible networks like TDMA and CDMA and GSM and roaming began before you even got out of the city. But Nokia knew how to build stuff. The phone had good sound quality and could be used as a weapon if the situation called for it. I think it is great that Microsoft is recycling the names of these old Nokia phones.
  • Ah the good old days lol, when Nokia's hardware could literally break your foot/feet and the pavement if you dropped it.
  • Nice! Makes me think the Surface Pro 4 will have one too. (I always assumed so, but you never know)
  • Decent specs, I'm not going to be jumping in excitement based on rumours. As things could change last minute. The 1020's successor must have a dedicated imaging chip better than the one in 808 (or equivalent in performance) and a ND filter.
  • As long as the adapter to micro-USB is much cheaper than Apple's version, I would say great news!!
  • Might cop that talkman if it legit
  • The rumors and the stories mean crap.  There will be only 1 US Carrier with these phones, while those asshats at Verizon push for their own variant of the same thing.  Carriers like Sprint and T-Mobile will have squat. Microsoft better get over this exclusive crap and quick or their phone business will be in the toilet.  Is it too hard to take a prompt from Apple, Samsung, Sony and HTC?  A few high end, a few low end, and sell them at every carrier.  SMH.
  • Agree, same limited availability happens in the UK.
  • I reckon we have it better, although losing Phones4U didn't help. If you go to the carriers direct, the choice is often very poor.
  • Fingers crossed for micro SD
  • Don't wanna wait till 2016... Big bummer of a rumor.
  • 2016 for the new version of the 1020? Bummer. I really don't think I can wait till then. I guess I'll just do the 12 month Next plan on ATT. Otherwise these two models sound solid.
  • I would expect nothing less.
  • Reeeeeeeealy need that 1020 replacement (obviously a first world problem lol)...sigh...bigger screen (a la 1520) and SD card support to round it out...plz? Pretty plz, MS? Lol K, back to life...
  • Man I know. My contract expires this November, it's going to be hard to wait 'til then!
  • I have been off contract for a year on my 1020 -- GoPhone with it now. I can wait for a replacement as nothing out there has a camera that compares right now.  
  • I love salt. Looks like ill be sitting on my Icon for a while then. Verizon has the best coverage for me personally because I travel all around for work. Plus they have better coverage for the mountains than AT&T. I'll wait it out and see what's up for 2016.
  • A 1020 successor in 2016, the year of my contract renewal? Yes please!
  •   So far, so fine.  What the heck:
    When will they finally have an x86-powered phone?      
  • And hopefully Qi
  • I'm totally sold on either of these phones if they become a reality
  • Only part that resonated with me was the part about the 1020. Such a long wait :(
  • 1040 on 2016 that's fair enough. I want to get a decent replacement for 1020. I'll wait as much as it takes to get the most polished piece of hardware. Take it easy and release a solid product MSFT. No rush just like with others...
  • Okay... I'm hearing a lot of gushing about the Lumia 1040 or whatever.  I need sources... cause right now all I'm seeing is delusional rants and raves about a phone I haven't even heard being hinted at.  
  • Try reading the article.
  • From the source as shoved through a translator: "A successor to the Lumia 1020, there will be, moreover also, however, we know about this absolutely nothing yet. With the appearance is anyway expected only in 2016."   I've read the article... and it "hints" that we can expect to hear something in 2016 about it.  It does not confirm specs, plans, or the device's exisitence.  Remember.  MacLaren was killed before it was confirmed. 
  • Both codenames "Talkman" and "Cityman" are from old Nokia phones (I thought they sounded familiar) :) http://nokiamuseum.info/nokia-phones-collection/page/86/
  • The Cityman specs, if true, help explain the loss of the Surface Mini. With MS commitment to Ntrig pen tech, they wont make a phablet size stylus and the sensible progression of Cityman (using Continuum for lightweight productivity) to Surface 3 or Surface 3 Pro becomes obvious.
  • Having said that, if Talkman has continuum, wireless charging, Preview features, and Hey Cortana, I am there at launch (launch day for Focus on WP7, and 920 on WP8).
  • C'mon Sprint! Don't let me down.
  • They need a new design for the hardware. Current hardware looks good, but it's stale IMO.
  • Anything beyond give inch of an ugly piece
  • Look like current and previous model WP 8 will not be able to use Windows Hello or to use Continumum it seems.  I don't care since I just hoping the will have a NFC payment capabilities like ApplePay!
  • Indeed. Both Hello and Continuum need new hardware features.
  • Probably will come to Canada mid-2016...
  • Now that's a news!
  • I wouldn't mind if there was a Micro-USB port on one side and a Type-C USB port on the bottom (or vice-versa).
  • Cityman: Qualcomm 808 or 810?
  • I have been waiting for USB type-C to come to the phone world since they announced type-c. Now if only they would actually use good front facing cameras so they can be true high end cameras. I don't see how any phone with 5mp or less on front could be considered flagship these days especially for phones so known for their back camera. Fix yo front cameras Microsoft.
  • 2016 for a 1020 successor? Thats pushing my patients
  • I was afraid that the 1020 successor wasn't coming until 2016, and looks like my fears have been confirmed.
  • Type c, dock, continuum, 5.7 inch, 8 core, no carrier controlled updates I like these rumors!!!!! Missing: smart watch integration, mirror link, 42 mp camera for oversampling, nfc mobile wallet, same phone cross carriers (Verizon), Qi, massive battery and no heat issues I'll dump android and be back on win phone for this! Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • http://wmpoweruser.com/supposed-specs-of-microsofts-upcoming-flagships-g...
  • " USB Type-C is said to be necessary for the new Continuum for Phones featured announced at Build a few weeks ago." What makes the USB Type-C to be a necessary?  
  • I've not read up on it yet, but speed and a change to the usual host-client connection type would be my guess.
  • Looks like I need to wait until 2016 for my 1020 replacement.
  • Important thing is, how much is the price? If it's close to iPhone, what's the point?
  • Who said type c is in apple mac book its in xiaomi mi4 already. But awesome news sadly being a student I wont be able to buy this. Though I was waiting for type c and other features still windows is going to kick some ass in near 2016. Get ready Lag Droid and Fapple.
  • "It also claims, via its sources, that the back cover of those phones will be polycarbonate, and that those covers can also be removed, which should please consumers who want to have some options." Ohhhhh, they better be!
  •     If and when confirmed, these phones are going to be so awesome. I really hope that Microsoft has a media blitz ready to accompany their new flagships. And PLEASE, drop the carrier exclusivity crap.
  • ah Good!! SO in case I do Buy this phone, NO one will Borrow my charger!! finally