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Mozilla claims Microsoft made it harder to change the default web browser in Windows 10

Mozilla has started a war of words with Microsoft over Windows 10. Mozilla, the company behind the Firefox web browser claims that Microsoft has made it harder in Windows 10 to change the default web browser to something else compared to previous versions of the operating system.

The blog post says:

"While it is technically possible for people to preserve their previous settings and defaults, the design of the new Windows 10 upgrade experience and user interface does not make this obvious nor easy. When people do manage to open the correct dialog box, it now requires more than twice the number of mouse clicks, more scrolling through content and a more focused effort to reassert a choice they had previously made in earlier versions of Windows."

Mozilla even posted a video to show how Windows 10 users can change their default browser in Windows 10. In addition, Mozilla's CEO Chris Beard has posted an open letter to Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella that also talks about the company's issues with Windows 10:

"These changes aren't unsettling to us because we're the organization that makes Firefox. They are unsettling because there are millions of users who love Windows and who are having their choices ignored, and the increased complexity put into everyone's way if and when they choose to make a choice different than what Microsoft prefers.""We strongly urge you to reconsider your business tactic here and again respect people's right to choice and control of their online experience by making it easier, more obvious and intuitive for people to maintain the choices they have already made through the upgrade experience — and easier for people to assert new choices and preferences, not just for other Microsoft products, through the default settings APIs and user interfaces."

Mozilla is developing a version of Firefox for Windows 10, which is currently in beta testing and will move to its stable channel in mid-August.

If you want to see how easy or difficult it actually is to change your default web browser, check out our how-to post here

Source: Mozilla (1), (2)

458 Comments
  • ....nevermind. Not gonna say anything...
  • I am! WTF... That wasn't difficult at all. I wouldn't change my default browser but the option is available and informative.
  • If MS was still using explorer, this complaint wouldnt have been made but Edge seems to be a clear threat and so they clearly dont want people getting attached to Edge, as they might actually enjoy using it.
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    What I find funny, is how they have been quiet during tech preview days where everyone's input was being asked for yet suddenly a day after launch they decide to voice their concerns.
  • Windows 10 snuck up on them and caught them off guard.
  • Not just them Symantec & their spyware aswell
  • Could you explain that?
  • You mean it's not common knowledge that there is a directive at Microsoft to FIRST think about "how to EFF with Mozilla" before writing a single line of code.  These guys are smoking something. PS: That's called "Sarcasm" for those who may not have noticed.
  • Lol
  • Since Symantec's NIS uses a browser's Extensions/Add-Ons capabilities for putting their web protection into it, and since you are not able to use Add-Ons on MS Edge, Symantec shouted out loud that using MS Edge for browsing the web would be a high security/safety risk for every device you are using it on. Not to say that MS Edge will be able to use Extensions at future time.
  • M​aybe Microsoft is making it harder for malwares to change default browser.
  • Nah. The EU paid off someone at Mozilla to raise a stink, so they can continue to sue U.S. companies and leech off their success. That "keep Greece afloat" debacle isn't funding itself...
  • Good one! I actually laughed out loud on that one :)
  • Maybe they didn't say anything until now since people are just now starting to upgrade to Windows 10 en masse.
     
  • You said it- Edge is a threat to them.
  • I don't think neither Chrome nor Firefox have to worry too much about Edge. Yes, I like Edge, is super fast and it is more compatible with sites out there. But I already switched it off from being the default. Why? It doesn't support extensions yet. I need my extensions (only two, but they are important to me.) And I have to think that a lot of people feel the same as I. Therefore, they (and I) will not be using Edge so Edge will go to the back burner for now. And it will take a brand new campaign from MS to remind people that Edge is there once it finally supports extensions. I believe it was a mistake from MS not to support extension right off the gate. MS killed one of its best features in W10 by doing that.
  • I think it wil be much easier to get people back to using a better browswer but I do agree with you that extensions should have been supported from the building blocks.
  • ++
  • I have seen the extension option on in IE, but I never saw any additional value with them. But I am curious to try one out. Which extension do you find most valuable?
  • I need Adblock and Ghostery. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Most people don't care about extensions.
  • Edge isn't really a threat until popular extensions work in it. To be a real contender, Edge also needs cross-platform availability (Android, OS X, iOS) with excellent sync capabilities -- something Microsoft said probably won't happen. Sadly, Edge is, once again, just that pre-installed browser sitting dormant on my Windows 10 machine. :(
  • Edge is no threat...when people start using it and see that it crashes every now and then..they will move to FF or chrome. Also adblock is a must these days. That's why I hate it when MS delivers unfinished or unpolished products.
  • What the hell are you smoking? Chrome and Firefox crash a half a dozen times a day. Chrome is also a RAM hogging, battery draining pig of a browser. As for adblock, extensions are coming soon, so hold your damn horses. As for unfinished and unpolished, you don't have a damn clue what you're talking about, and Google is the king of unfinished, unpolished product.
  • Edge is buggy. It crashes after an hour or two when i have lots of tabs open. It doesn't have app support and if one site crashes the whole browser doesn't respond and sometimes it just closes it self. It's fast yeah wow cool chrome is still faster in most benchmarks
  • Edge do not crash, here, but is crushing the other browsers!
  • I have yet to experience a crash with Edge going back to when it was Spartan. Lucky? Maybe but it's not as crash prone or buggy as you guys make it to be. The same can't be said for FF that's been around forever. Extensions I agree should have been available from the beginning.
  • First of all, I have had Edge open with about 10 tabs and used it that way for several days without closing it or rebooting, so it is stable. Secondly, the only benchmarks where Chrome is faster have been adjusted by Google to look that way. You can tell that from the fact that according to the Google based benchmarks, Edge has gotten slower since its inception, which almost never happens with software. Well, except for maybe the memory-hog that is Chrome.
  • Obvious troll is obvious.
  • well said, he doesn't know what he is talking about and as a matter of fact since RTM Edge has never crashed on me.
  • This...right thurr!!
  • Clearly you've never used Chrome. It is 1000x more stable than Edge. Every time I use edge I worry if it is going to crash anytime soon. I have even experienced a crash on Edge since launch but never on Chrome.
    I don't know about battery draining, but for me it does not hog any more RAM than IE or Edge
  • "Chrome is 1000x times more stable", boy that is a lot of times more stable.  Well, phooey on you.  Edge is infinity+1 times better then Chrome :)
  • Don't know if you remembered using Google Chrome a few days after its launch...the thing crashed all of the time and was extremely buggy. Maybe give Edge a few years like Chrome has had and see where it ends up. Edge is lightyears ahead of where Chrome was at this time in its life.
  • Maybe you're right to wait a few years. But right now edge can not be compared to chrome @davidvkimball
  • Haha yeah I exaggerated on purpose there
    But I stand by my point.. Edge isn't as stable as it should be, and it has a long way to go to beat chrome. Edge beating chrome in user share would be as difficult as chromebooks beating Windows laptops and MacBooks
  • Edge will beat that junk chrome within 6 months
  • Pathetic fanboys :D
  • I'm asking because I don't use Chrome, but how much RAM is Chrome using on just this webpage? Edge is running right now with only one tab open using 21.2MB of RAM which I would consider very little.
  • you are telling lies.   do not mislead people by telling stupid lies.
  • It really makes me wonder of you have used Edge? The people paying kudos to it are those on chrome who finally have found something worthwhile to use which doesn't hog tons of memory.
  • Edge uses to crash on me all the time
    but Since RTM i have happily switched over from IE to Edge. No major issues.
  • "Chrome and Firefox crash a half a dozen times a day" You obviously don't use them.
  • Exactly. I haven't had a browser crash in 6-12 months. Chrome & Firefox are very stable. I only run into issues with Firefox when it's memory use spirals out of control, and it struggles with a lot of flash content - typically ad-based, but AdBlocker takes care of that now. Opera on the other hand, was a huge piece of crap that crashed every other day. I stopped using IE because it always forgot my open tabs (unless I religiously remembered to click "reopen last browsing session" or whatever it was).
  • I agree with you my experience is as follows with browsers: Opera > IE > Firefox > Chrome. I don't have other browsers installed. I'm not counting Edge yet because I don't use a PC with Win10 as daily driver.
  • Uh, are you saying Opera is the best of them all and Chrome is the worst? or did you mean the opposite angled bracket i.e. Opera < IE < Firefox < Chrome? 
  • I use Opera, which is basically Chrome without the Google stuff, it just doesn't crash. But I did have the Edge crash on me once and I've been using Windows 10 for only a day and a half. When Edge has extension support, the option to switch favorites to only icons and maybe custom search engines, then I'll consider making it my default browser. Until then I'm sticking to Opera.
  • Adblock for Edge through host. Look up mvphosts. Works on all browsers.
  • I've been using that myself. It also blocks ads in Skype and ad-ridden apps. Strange how it works when you block it at the system level instead of just in a browser. Probably not something everyone would be comfortable doing, though, since they're having to get high-level access to something else to configure how their computer interacts with the internet.
  • Thank you so much for this.
  • I've been using IE for most of my Windoes 8 life. But stopped using it when I couldn't watch one freaking video without getting an ad. Enter Firefox with Adblock, which I had been my Windows 7 life.  
  • IE9 through IE11 have built-in ads blocking called Tracking Protection under Tools-> Manage Addons. You have to enable it, not on by default. Easylist and Quero TPL are two I use.
  • Adblock does work with Edge, download AdGuard.
  • Adguard does the same thing that the mvphosts does that TechAbstract posted, except Adguard ads a fancy GUI and auto-updates. Same exact method of blocking, though. Except I went with the mvphosts because it was free. ;) However, for the novice user, AdGuard would be a much safer solution since they don't have to tinker with command lines or Administrator level prompts.
  • I don't think so either. Yes, it's fast, but so is every other web browser. Edge has crashing issues during the Preview that are now resolved, but it still becomes laggy at times where other browsers wouldn't. Edge might have been fine YEARS AGO when people were switching to Chrome, but now that everyone is already on Chrome? No.
  • Amen to your last statement. In my opinion F* Firefox.
  • You could read whole the letter, Mozilla talks to Satya because their previous effeorts to talk with someone at Microsoft about the issue failed.
  • They are just desparate and because of how popular Windows 10 is getting with such high remarks, they know that Edge can do some damage against them... If I wanted to use another browswer, that would be the end of that. Firefox is talking like people are retarded and unless it is so so so incredibly easy, people won't click 3-4 times or scroll down an inch... It's pretty insulting actually.
  • I don't agree with you and find their argument valid. MS should not radically change the way of doing things so often.
  • Agree with you and they lost a customer. I just uninstall Firefox.
  • I can't argue with that.  Well, I can since I'm not yet an advocate for Edge but you make a good point just the same.  What I truly hope for is that Windows 10 makes it tougher for google chrome services to work. That is my prayer
  • Probably because it wasn't until build 10240 that the defaults screen was coming up during the OS setup. I know 10240 was released early enough to insiders, but who knows? Maybe they tried a private communication first. Either way, I don't think it is as difficult as they are making it look like. But we'll see how Nadella responds.
  • No, they only just saw the upgrade assistant now. And I agree that it's misleading with asking "set these as your default apps". It should keep the same default apps you had in win8 not replace them with somehting new.
  • "That wasn't difficult at all" I think what Mozilla is saying is that their customers are denser than most.
  • Funny enough, Cortana would have easily told them where to change it.
  • Haha, yup.
  • Unless a person doesn't have Cortana on windows 10.
  • Well, the whole reason for the timing is because Mozilla couldn't figure out how to change it themselves until they read Richard's article that was published 2 days ago. http://www.windowscentral.com/how-set-default-web-browser-windows-10
  • It's not difficult, but Microsoft did add unneccessary steps to it that are just wasting users time, why even open up the whole setting app when you have already selected you want it as default in the popup menu.
  • They likely making the Settings Screen launch to prevent websites, browser add-ons, and malware from spoofing the pop-up context menu from Windows 8. This seems like a reasonable adjustment to me. My middle-aged aunt figured how to flip from Edge to Chrome on her Win10 install before I could even get the update to finish downloading. They're being petty about this.
  • Tell her to use EDGE!!!!
  • Yeah that's why I see it too. This implementation might the result of some rougue apps try to confuse users to make those things as default. So this necessary evil (but bit tedious to casual users) can be good to save themselves. This affects on all types of apps anyways, not just browsers.
  • I cant upvoite you enough - there are lots of people who have had toolbars installed, other software and anything you can think of without them realising whats going on, MS is doing a really good thing making it harder for this to happen. If John is inconvienced for a few min then thats unfortunate but far more people are going to benefit from this.
  • Exactly. But MS and these fans here won't see reason. I'm getting sick on this fanboyism
  • Ha ha, troll get hurted
  • Exactly. I don't see what's so hard about it. And at least browsers can't change it without you knowing like they could in Windows 7.
  • Yeah, I used to use several browsers for testing web sites when I ran Windows 7, and they were always trying to set themselves as default. You had to dig in each browsers settings and force them to stop trying to do that. I like how Windows 10 prevents them from "highjacking" my browser preference. I like it very much. I'm using 9 different browsers now (still do testing once in a while) and I'm glad they can't take over.
  • I used to like Firefox but this is a bunch BS, wining, and cry babies.  Look how easy it was to change in the video.  Once edge has addon support, i'll probably switch from firefox.  Thanks to firefox, I know how to switch haha.
  • Wow..double the mouse clicks once only to make Firefox default browser...? I feel for you company that doesn't worry cause you make Firefox ( their words ). 70 year old ppl nowdays scroll and click as much per second on facebook. Maybe you want a pop up again asking to make it default during windows setup? Gtfo lol
  • What is Firefox any way?
  • What's up with Firefox, its quite simple, install Firefox, use it.
  • It wasn't Mozilla who liked edge to be first it was the 5million insiders, they are crying over spilt beans, people like edge more that rest now, I like last pass access it's the only gripe! Other that that no crashes or anything!
  • Why not just touch the Windows key, then type "default"...???
  • What if everyone doesn't have a windows key....lol..couldnt resist
  • I don't understand what they are complaining about. It's visually easier now honestly.
  • It is now harder for Mozilla to change your default browser to Firefox when you are not looking carefully at the Firefox installation instructions.
  • For the ordinary user i can see how this is something you wouldn't think that you would have to go thru compared to previous.
  • why are they even complaining when they don't even have a completed windows 10 version of firefox?
  • Ouch!
  • After months of using Firefox I gave up on it.Too many "Not responding" messages and random crashing. I switched to Chrome and it really is faster and more stable. Now I'm slowy starting to use Edge. Even faster and more lightweight.
  • I'll switch to edge once they enable add-ons. I'm too dependent on LastPass.
  • I agree.  I really love the speed of Edge, but I also rely heavily on LastPass.  I hope LastPass has an addon for Edge as soon as they are supported.
  • Dont they have a metro app?
  • Yes, they do. Tell me - which would you do? 1. Surf to a website, open a metro app, look up the correct password, paste it into the website, and go. 2. Surf to a website, click the login button, and go. I'm going with option 1 even if it means I use IE for a little while longer.
  • Cant say ive used it successfully just know it exists. Tried using it to connect to a hotspot at a Wendy's didn't help(as of now that Wendy's doesnt use them anymore)
  • I think you have LastPass confused with something else.
  • edge has a password manger
  • But is it secured with two-factor authentication? Does it generate random, strong passwords? And can I use it on the computer in the sound booth at my church (or on any device anywhere) when I'm controlling the sound, video, and looking something up on the web? LastPass is/can.
  • You mean option 2
  • LOL - Yes, I do!
  • I hope it comes sooner than later. I too have come to rely on LastPass for both Desktop/Tablet and mobile phone now too. am hoping that W10M will allow it to be more integrated as well.
  • Yeah, it is a pain on the phone, too. I hope the integration is better there as well.
  • The "add-on", or extension will be virtually the same, or not entirely the same, as the Chrome one.
  • I emailed LastPass support a couple months ago - when Project Spartan first hit the preview. They said that they would have an add-on for it as soon as it was supported.
  • Doesn't the browser save ur passwords and logins? I can see it for form filling out though
  • The browser CAN do that, but not securely. Those passwords are stored in plain text, and can be seen by anyone with access to the PC. But LastPass does more than that. It will generate nonsensical strong passwords, and it can share them across devices, or even on devices that you do not own (by logging into the site you can see your password vault). Having a different password for every site you visit is a strong security measure, as many people use the same passwords everywhere, so when someone hacks Windows Central, for instance, the hacker could use the passwords gained here to try them on banking websites, or other sites that could have sensitive information, for instance. For me, I have only a couple sites that have common passwords, and those are sites that are not sensitive at all. Almost every site has a different, and strong password. LastPass isn't NECESSARY, but it sure is a lot easier than carrying around a notebook with every password in it, and risking losing that. I have it set up with two-factor authentication, so if I want to use it on a different computer (not very often), I can, and not worry about someone scraping my password, because the authentication app generates a new code every 30 seconds. It isn't a MUST-have, but it is definitely a HUGE convenience and security measure. So for me, it is a must-have.
  • But how are you not worried that your passwords go to an online vault?
  • If they didn't, how would I be able to use it on ANY device?
  • Let me ask again - *online* vault ?
  • I KNOW my passwords go to an online vault. Otherwise, I would not be able to use them everywhere.
  • I'm sorry I'm just not convinced at the idea of my passwords going online, in someone else's hands :)
  • That's ok. No one is forcing you to. Myself, I'll store them online, encrypted, with two-factor authentication, with a company that has proven themselves at being quick to respond to attempts to crack their system. http://lifehacker.com/is-lastpass-secure-what-happens-if-it-gets-hacked-1555511389 http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/06/15/password-manager-lastpass-hacked-exposing-encrypted-master-passwords/ And like the first article says, "Furthermore, like any other service, you should be using two-factor authentication with LastPass. If you do, someone with your master password still will not be able to access your account, even in the event of a breach."
  • Same here, I do use Firefox but will definitely switch to edge once lastpass and 1password are out.
  • There was an article on this website saying that a big update is coming in October. One of the new features will be extension support (or add-ons). So just be patient a little more. :)
  • I would have sworn that I saw an article a while back that said that it would be shortly after launch. I could be wrong, though. Either way, IE11 works fine now, and it will work fine until October if it takes that long. I'm in no rush. ;)
  • Strange, I prefer Firefox to Chrome in large part because of how much faster and more stable it is. Moreover, Firefox doesn't bog down whole systems the way Chrome does. It is a total resource hog. So not only is Firefox itself faster, but other applications are faster when I use Firefox.
  • Yeah, I had to install Chrome for something a while back (don't remember why), and given how "everyone" uses it these days, I could not believe how much      slower.    it.    was. I'd never used it before. But guess what? Since I'm in charge of the PCs at church, I uninstalled it from the church PCs, and blocked it from being installed. ;P
  • All depends on how many add-ons you load onto it. Tried songbird once reminded me to much of lagtunes
  • I gave up on Firefox not displaying HTML5 videos properly. Chrome, IE, and Edge don't seem to have a problem. They're just a bunch of whiners that prefer to develop for Linux and hate Windows. When I submitted bug reports for Windows builds and asked about fixes, they stated they didn't have a developer that ran Windows (at the time, I hope) so they couldn't reproduce it. ?!? They developed on Linux, and ported to Windows and hoped it all worked out okay. No wonder it crashed 50 times per day on me. I'm so glad to have Edge.
  • Oh oh remember we must not offend Microsoft only apple can do that
  • Mozilla whingeing. Where was the concern for windows users when all those win8 folks wanted a metro version of Firefox??
  • Agreed
  • I dont see how its harder ? its just different ... 
  • Exactly. As though Microsoft is trying to make this happen. Stupid people everywhere.
  • Good point! Where's my Mozilla browser on Windows Phone?
  • Lol, I wonder what their response would be to that? After all they killed the metro Firefox citing no one used it.....
  • *While it was in beta. Lol.  Most people didn't even know there WAS a Metro Firefox beta.
  • It wasn't that there were no "users", it was that none of their developers used Windows 8 metro because they are all on Linux boxes. Something about how they believe all software should be free, including the OS. It's kind of Mozilla's mission statement. Maybe that's why they are cozying up to Windows 10?
  • I wonder if they dusted off the code for the Metro version to get a head start. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • "Mozilla whingeing" What is the difference between whining and whingeing?  How do you pronounce it?  Is that British? I've been seeing it alot more in recent years and don't remember coming across it. I know whining is used in British English, I've just never heard whingeing. And isn't it unusual, even for British English, to have an 'e' next to '-ing' ?
  • Whining = Why-ning. Whinging = Win-jing. Both are used in UK. Basically mean the same thing. There is no 'e' in whinging. To whine. To whinge. You could also use grizzle, groan, bellyache, moan... To name but a few. Us Brits love a good moan... And we've got plenty of ways of describing them too! :)
  • Lol I love it! Is it ok if I start using that word here in the US? I like the way it sounds.
  • Tweet this to the official @Firefox and @Mozilla handles and make them feel ashamed...I just did
  • How come I'm the only one who finds their concerns genuine lol
  • Reinstall Firefox so you both have the default easily set and the latest version. Quit yer b*tchn
  • From what I can tell, installing the app will not change the defaults. Honestly, I see it as a security feature. And given Microsoft's punishment via the EU concerning browsers ended over a year ago, I'm fne with Microsoft burying the controls. Neither OSX nor Chomium allow you to easily change the default browser.
  • No, it doesn't, and yes it is WAY more difficult to change defaults in Windows 10. I've set Zoom Player as my default media player, but the Photos and Films & TV apps still have some file type associations, and to change them to zoom player I have to go through each and every file type MANUALLY. It's a massive dick move on MS's part.
  • And that is different from other versions how? Windows media player maintained certain associations unless you changed them manually.
  • It's so hard to right click, open with, select default on file.  Like... seriously...
  • Yep. Should have kept the old way. MS is going to get yet another public bashing soon
  • I don't understand why Microsoft is obliged to allow every competitor into their ecosystem. If Mozilla wants to exist deal with it build your own OS.
  • They did (mobile), but nobody cares. hahahaha
  • Switched to Opera in seconds, like in every windows before... 
  • Did you find it hard, or difficult to make Opera your default browser?
  • With a rating 1 to 10, 1 = difficult | 10 = ridiculously, alarmingly, Nasa QC level difficult :P.
  • Waaaaay too hard, Opera asked me to be my default browser, and I had to click on yes.
  • I did that. But it wouldn't let me so I had to go in to the settings app. Wasn't too difficult though.
  • It means they have to update their web browser. Chrome and Firefox now open the Settings app for you on the default apps page.
  • oh boy hahahahahhaha
  • Why not just Chromium?
  • LOL
  • Why bother now that they ditched the excellent Presto engine for Webkit?
  • Lol and in their video they are using an unregistered copy of Windows.
  • Double Lol
  • They believe all software should be free, including the OS. That's why.
  • They do not respect the competitors and want respect. lol
  • Tweeted this to Firefox and Mozilla as well...shaming them !
  • "twice the number of clicks"
    You mean two? Oh lawd Jesus! Whatever will they do now?
    Lol just use Firefox again and click "set as default browser"
    I don't see how this is a big deal when buying a new PC literally requires you to download it again.
  • Yup.
  • Actually, the guy has a point. As shocking it is; some are so damn lazy to click anything twice. I really worry about the next generation... I really do...
    In laymen terms, his point is some people are two lazy to click twice. I realized my comment maybe abit "cryptic" for these aforesaid peeps. Hence the edit.
  • Actually Firefox is just upset the first accidental click has been eliminated. Now it takes a second intentional click for my browser to be hijacked.
  • As long as it is POSSIBLE one way or another, they're still giving people a choice? Stfu Firefox and go back to being the third-rate browser you've always been.
  • I still prefer ff
  • You must be really young because I remember the time where nearly everyone used Firefox. Now Firefox still is 2second place
  • IE ia the most used browser
  • Firefox is in 3rd place behind IE. Source: http://gs.statcounter.com/
  • Man you fanboys really go the extra mile for Microsoft. If Google did something like this you'd have "Scroogled" on repeat. Microsoft shouldn't've made it any more complex to change the default web browser than it was in the previous version of windows. End of story.
  • I don't see how its any more difficult. It requires the same amount of steps compared to Windows 8.
  • Maybe they did not check how to do it in Windows 8, and 8.1.
  • Actually google does it all the time and no one cares.
  • Some people care. I ceased using anything Google related 2 years ago. Haven't missed it at all.
  • Google Maps and Google Transalte are something I could not get rid
  • Yes, you could.  
  • Bing or Here Maps are a great reacement.
  • I like Bing translate better, and Bing Maps. Or Here Maps.
  • It wasn't a problem on my computer. Sounds like Mozilla is looking for some press.
  • I'm all for Microsoft, but any tactics that cause hassle or inability to make a personal choice/preference is not fair... Luckily this case is nothing like that and Mozilla are being unreasonable, it takes a user one more click to make this a default browser
  • you mean like how you can't even install an alternative Web Browser on ChromeOS?
  • HAHAHAHA Aphrophyre
  • An extra mile?! Did you even see the video? There's nothing complex about the extra step. This complaint Firefox made is a joke.
  • The only desktop Google OS anywhere is ChromeOS. I tried to change the browser in Chrome OS from Chrome to something else and I could not find a way to do that. Did anyone complain about that? WTF are you talking about?
  • since they are free, they do not complaint on that lol
  • Man you Google whores really go the extra mile to attack Microsoft. Whenever someone talks about how Google takes your information and sells it to the highest, lowest, and every bidder in between you and your friends pop up whining and complaining about how Google gives away their services for free, and they need to make money somehow so they can do whatever they want with your data. Here Microsoft is giving away something for free, and as usual, as with every Windows release, someone from Mozilla has to go to the internet, the govrernment, and whine and complain about how unfairly they are being treated. This Mozilla guy could be working harder to make his product is better, but no, he would rather go on the attack and act like the whiny little bitch. And now here, rather than apply the same standards to Microsoft as you do to Google, you start complaining about how evil Microsoft is while ignoring how Google's level of evil. Despite the "Do no evil" charade, Google's level of evil makes Microsoft look like a saint. So tell us, how can I replace the browser on a ChromeBook? How can I replace the OS on a ChromeBook with one that is actually useful, such as Windows 10? Or do they have them locked down so I can't do it? I can install Linux on a Surface Pro 1-3, Surface 3, why doesn't Google offer me choice with their products? You are just another run of the mill Google apologist who demands Microsoft cater to your wants, even though you have no intent on using a Microsoft product, but bends over to take it from Google. Run back to Google+ and hang out with the other 5 users over there.
  • I'm a Microsoft primary user, I just don't ignore their mistakes. I have a Lumia 1020 and 520 and Surface Pro 2 for God's sake .
  • Doesn't take away from you being a Google tool.
  • And you think, we gona believe you. Btw, its not a mistake, its just a one more click
  • You've got to be freaking kidding me. This is still incredibly easy. It opens the settings you push "Change default browser", then you click "Mozilla Firefox".  Maybe if it was actually hard, it would be something to complain about, but this is still incredibly easy.  And it's a stupid complaint by Mozilla.
  • And the scroogle fanboys have to come post.
  • actually they made it easier, now you don't have to open firefox or chrome or edge to set them as your default browser. and now you will know what you are doing instead of clicking yes and then making them automatically default without users knowing or paying attention.
  • Yeah, something like demand an HTML5 YOUTUBE app when their own app nor the iOS app was HTML5... Or screw with the code of their sites so it is Webkit specific... Google would never do that.
  • And you idiot don't know anything, so put your crap with you. Microsoft don't do anything tough, I can change default browser within 10 seconds
  • Google already does this, it's called ChromeOS. Microsoft doesn't do this.
  • Mozilla, quit your whining and get back to work.
  • wtf ...Firefox isn't all that edge is better anyway and Microsoft did it that way so ppl can at least open it up once :) to see the efforts put in there own browser... gone are the days the E was just sitting there
  • Well, they are right. Before the browser itself could make itself the default. Now it forces you to go to settings and change it manually yourself. Well, add that to the impossibility of uninstalling Edge and I think Microsoft will find itself in a meeting with the European Commission again soon.
  • They started bundling as soon as the enforcement ended lol.
  • What if you accidentally made it your default browser? This way you know your options in a simple, easier to understand step. There's nothing difficult about changing the default settings especially when you are familiar with the oS. Someone new to msft can still figure this out.
  • They are making a mountain out of a ant mound.
  • I think you overestimate the average Windows user. Most don't even know they should run updates let alone that they can change default programs. Also, there's a chance that forcing people into the settings panel may scare them (because they aren't comfortable) and end up preventing them from actually changing default programs.
  • ...and you REALLY overestimate the average Windows user if you believe that they'll install another browser to use other than the one supplied.  Let's face it, this is an unnecessary complaint that Mozilla is making in regards to this.  I could understand if it was buried in settings, but it isn't. 
  • Considering I work with the average windows user you have no idea what you are talking about and make them sound far less intelligent than they actually are.
  • Who's the average Windows user, a 98 year old?
  • It might take an extra step to set default but if you notice, the ways its implemented (I.e. Taking you to default settings), casual users will find it easier to change defaults for other applications......So now there many options that are easily accessible to casual users, not just setting your default browser.
  • Or just ask cortana to set Firefox as a default browser. No longer need go through clicks "cough" hoops :P.
  • Right and Cortana is available for all users?
  • Actually, it is easier for the user to determine the default browser now but it is harder for the browser himself to 'hijack' your PC default browser. This is great for the user, and bad for Mozilla :)
  • I'm hoping this should stop
    chrome invading a users PC everytime they reinstall flash.
  • Yeah or Avast trying to shovel Chrome down your throat every time your AV updates and spamming you with popups recommending Chrome... Was the final straw for me with Avast
  • THIS
  • It won't take the EU very long to respond to them bundling it,nor will it take Microsoft very long to fix it properly this time around. I don't think Microsoft wants the bad press this early in. .... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • The EU won't say squat. Windows, Mac, Chrome OS, iOS, Android, Windows Phone, Blackberry all come with a browser pre-installed (along with plenty of other basic apps).
  • I wouldn't be too sure. They are kind of known for getting involved with things like this, even if it really isn't a issue. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • so now it's wrong Microsoft takes you to settings to set an important and global OS setting? haha please..... this is the default browser when you click on a link on an email or IM or htm shortcut etc etc. so why is it wrong? and you complain about uninstalling edge? what about you install your preferred browser and ignore edge exists? is 0.01% from your HDD too much and it's killing you?   You could also ignore using Windows 10 if you think this is bad and hurts your feelings. it's free upgrade anyway, and edge is not going to kill your dog.  
  • ^This. Even though Edge uses only ~0.2 seconds on warm-launch, ~0.8 seconds on cold-launch; while Firefox still have to launch either warmed or colded within around 1 second...
  • ...if you think about the Chrome OS and its browser.... you won't forget about that impossibility of changing their default browser into Firefox.
  • In 8.1, it wouldn't even open settings for you, just an instructional message appears, yet Mozilla didn't care. And now, one day after launch they decided that this could be a problem. Dumb move and their browser has become utter sh*t. Not to mention that (IMO) a program should not be able to set itself as default. This undermines a lot of bloatware and accidentally installed programs. What's worrying me is the European commission's attitude towards American companies and their lack of common sense and computer knowledge.  
  • I see this as a positive.... makes users think a little more about whether they really want to switch their defaults.
  • For me, windows 10 was rushed to be released and that's why it has many ui inconsistencies and more clicks to do stuff as Mozilla guys say. Hope it won't be the same for phones..
  • Well, edge in my pc is working worst then internet explorer
  • Funny it works loads better than even Chrome on all of mine.
  • Well, you are lucky. When i first installed windows 10, released build, i said well, maybe is my pc, cause allot of times is strugling and waiting like there is something that blocks it to do things. So as an example: click and enter a site like GSMarena, it loads, i can see the page but can't scroll down, actually, i can't do nothing for some seconds and in this time the hdd works like there is no tomorrow. Ok, i said, let's test ie, nothing, absolutly nothing of this things. So, i don't know if it's theconfigurarion of my pc, but yeah, is happening. Well i'll stick with ie. Firefox is even worst till the win 10 release...
  • Opened and browsed the site (GSMarena) for a couple of minutes. It works just fine. Are you sure you're using the release build?
  • Disable Page Prediction in adnavced settings, it fixed it for me.
  • What the... reallly mozilla??? (facepalm)
  • Well as long it is no longer a ram hog, I have had to resort to IE as with latest updates it has gotten really bad. So bad I cant multitask even with several tabs open in Firefox. Even memory fox doesn't work, it spikes like mad the moment Firefox is used (previously it would grow slowly even with 20+ tabs). Using older versions is not an option as I have noticed a few rendering issues which previously didn't not exist. Edit: If Firefox continues to be a ram hog, it will get the boot and i will solely use edge after extension support kicks in.
  • I just tried it on my desktop. OMG, Firefox, you are just pathetic. I quickly switched back to Edge using the same procedure.
  • I think those who are savvy enough to understand they can actually change from the default browser in the first place are savvy enough to find out how to do it in 10.
  • They are just worried that EDGE is about to give Windows 10 users a reason to use Edge.
  • Ya, how dare Microsoft try to convince people to stick with their browser.
  • Is there really an issue? When I open Firefox (40.0) in W10 it prompts me to change the default browser to Firefox. I click yes. It changes without opening Settings.
  • Yeah make it Hard , sound good to me.  
  • Err it is easier now than it was in other versions of Windows.. what are Modzilla smoking?
  • First time I launched chrome it asked if I want to set it as the default, so there is code you can inject in to the app that will ask you. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Total. Fucking. Bullshit.
  • It was actually easyer imo
  • you mad bro???
  • Who cares. Edge is brilliant
  • How is Firefox making out with thier Windows Phone App? Not? Oh f@ck them then.
  • MS removed the ability for the app to do that as a security feature because malware/viruses can override things and fuck up your internet access. Mozilla needs to shut up. Their browser hasn't been relevant for years.
  • It's business. Microsoft is proud of their NEW product (Edge) and should be pushing for everybody to at least try it. Soooo, yeah, make it a little harder to just switch the default. I would've.
  • Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! This is petty bs. They're just mad because they know people now have no reason to choose them over the very impressive edge.    
  • Wow some of you fanboys sound like 12... They aren't afraid of something they just think its stupid because it wasn't there before and there is no good reason why they implemented it...
  • And as many of us have said in this article this is actually a good thing and not overly difficult
  • The reason they implemented it is because rogue applications were changing the defaults without telling the user, so Microsoft put a stop to it. Now when any app tries to change file associations, Windows tells you and makes you go and change them yourself.
  • Yup, Mozilla complaining about this just goes to show their ignorance.
  • Wow, some of you idiots behave like paid troll
  • if anything, the previous method was too easy. do you guys know how many times i hear "why is this browser opening intstead of ***?" no way to accidentally set a new default browser. this is just whining to whine.  choices are not being ignored. if they were, then there would be no way to change the default browser.
  • Exactly.
  • Freaking seriously? Are you so damn desperate that you're going to complain about clicks now? Shut up you greedy assholes.
  • The say it's hard... then post a video showing it's not hard at all (unless you're a single-cell organism). Oh boy... 
  • Mozilla sounds like winPhans... Whiners
  • Ha ha ha so true!
  • I don't get it. What does Mozilla want Microsoft to do? Put in a full page ad during installation? We interrupt your current installation to inform you that you can use Mozilla Firefox as an alternate web browser. Click here for more information.. Horse fodder Mozilla.
  • You mean like that old 'browser choices' program... Now that was f***ing annoying! Lol :)
  • Yup
  • What the hell? The video proves how easy it is to change.      
  • Chrome is bloated and Firefox is tired, edge is so much better, how the tables have turned.
  • Edge is consuming a hell of a lot more resources than Chrome.
  • Not saying you're wrong necesarily, but what is your scenario?  Specific sites, number of tabs, your system's RAM, etc.?  That's a very subjective claim and even if true, using a bit more memory with the result of a better experience for the user isn't necessarily a bad thing. 
  • And yet performs better for me than Chrome or Firefox.
  • Interesting, I've yet to encounter that. I love Chrome, it's my go to browser and has been for years now. But it is a resource hog. Every tab is an .exe process, and so are the individual extensions. I'm a tab whore, as a result, Chrome makes running Visual Studio, Illustrator, AutoCAD look like a cake walk. So far my usage with Edge has been more efficient than Chrome, but it also doesn't have extensions yet, so we'll see, but considering how stripped down it is I really have a hard time believing it's more of a resource hog than Chrome.
  • The page is running in chrome is the google translator. On the edge, this. http://i.imgur.com/A4abAPG.png  
  • A joke from an idiot Microsoft hater
  • Not at all really. I need Chrome for my Nexus 5. I am typing this on Edge however and while I must say it's nice, it's not Chrome. I've never used anything other than Chrome since the first stable release. Maybe when plugins come, but for now, Chrome is just more mature.
  • Of course its more mature, it's on version 40+ now? While Edge is on version 1.0.
  • Can I still use Netscape Navigator?
  • What an entitled, posturing, whiny organization Mozilla has become. Defaulting to Firefox is as easy as starting it up and either answering the make-default prompt, or if you have previously squelched it, tick on the first checkbox in the first section of the browser's settings. A few extra clicks, a few extra scrolling, is unsettling?  Would that Mozilla appraise the users of its products as competent rather than stupid.
  • I don't understand how changing the default browser is difficult... Grow up FireFox. And maybe remove some of that bloat you've added over the years while you're at it.
  • But Mozilla fires people for not having always had PC values, so who cares?
  • "Cortana Change default browser to Firefox". done
  • The video is 34 seconds....it could have been shorter if the Mozilla employee didn't try to drag out the issue, make it seem harder to locate, more difficult to find, instead of just clicking the firefox icon, that it really is. Really, look how long it took them to "look up" and click Firefox as the default browser! Mozilla doesn't want people to realize that all of that could have been done in half the time and Mozilla also wants to try to create negative press against Windows 10/Edge/Microsoft. Shameful Mozilla, shameful. Don't insult consumer intelligence with your petty attempts to make an issue out of something to make Microsoft look bad. Maybe I should complain that we have to click a Hamburger button, and then a "?" and then About Firefox in to be able to check for updates in Firefox? Really....is it too hard to put a "check for updates" button in the root of the Hamburger menu.....you know...where that empty space is? Let me record a ridiculosly long video of me checking for updates in Firefox and how our customers cannot easily find the update button and how it has too many clicks. Yes....I will write an open letter to the CEO on behalf of the college..... :/ Mozilla PR Boss: Quick, let's find something to complain about as Microsoft's Windows 10 and new Edge browser are getting overwhelmingly positive news articles. Mozilla PR Boss: We must have the CEO write an open letter so that the media outlets will take notices and cover the story!!! Mozilla Employee 2: We can't find anything to complain about? Windows 10 and Edge really are pretty awesome like the countless reviews have said... Mozilla PR Boss: You're fired! Mozilla PR Boss: I got it, lets make a video about how difficult it is to change the default browser in Edge/Windows 10! Mozilla Employee 3: But...Windows 10 still asks you if you want to make Firefox your default browser. Mozilla PR Boss: I know, but it takes too long and it is an extra click. Yeah, that is a valid complaint! Mozilla Employee 3: It actually takes less than 10 seconds. See.... Mozilla PR Boss: Nobody asked you for the truth! You're fired!!! Hey video editng guy, if you want to keep your job, make the task of switching browsers seem as slow and painful as possible!!!!  
  • This^^. Lmao
  • Exactly.
  • I wouldn't change it anyways but its not that hard...
  • I like Firefox. But I love Microsoft more. So STFU!
  • Same here, I love Firefox till yesterday. I uninstalled it today
  • Crybabies do what crybabies do...
  • Agree on keeping users choices. Agree on making things easier. But, for an OS "reinvented" last thing they are worried about is the tedium of making it easier for their competition even if the hoopla is fabricated. After all, there are lots of hard things to do in the way new settings arrangement work despite how simplified.much of I has become! Try changing notification sounds for specific apps. LOL that has been reported to confuse people. People will get use to things and MS will collect telemetry and Microsoft will see the "error" of this oversight. They'll then make a change to accommodate and people will still complain.
  • It is the same approach for all apps whether browers or photo apps.
  • Sooo...if you open a web page after installing Firefox or any other browser, Windows 10 asks you directly, "Which program do you want to use?" It then offers Edge plus the others as options. Last I checked, that's one, maybe two clicks. Someone call me out if I'm wrong.
  • Seriously? These are the steps I followed: 1) Type Default Web Browser in the Cortana window 2) Click the current default browser to bring up the list of installed browsers.   Is that so hard Mozilla???  
  • Thank you Mark K., what a fantastic response.
  • Man I wish the Mozilla group would close up shop. Better-than-thou, bigots writing an open letter about MS's business practices? You make a browser, big freaking deal. I've definitely encouraged all my less-than-tech-savvy friends and family to avoid Firefox at all cost - this just reaffirms that.
  • I don't care. I am currently using chrome which is much faster then Firefox. The day adblock plus will makes it's way for edge I will definetly switch to it as I watch lots of videos on youtube. Way to MS 
  • Spartan bitches
  • Yeah yeah, so much concern on the desktop but Mozilla never bothered to provide the user with more choices by releasing a version for Windows Phone, where options were always scarce. Mozilla didn't care about WP users. Hypocrisy much? What a load of b...
  • There is a Herculean difference between Windows users and Windows Phone users
  • >start >settings >system >scroll down to deafult apps >scroll down to browser, click, and select.   Tutorial brought to you myself.  Also MS tells you in a pop up window how to get their when you install a new browser.  It's not hard, and the default app selection screen is hell of a lot more convenient than before.  Mozilla is just being whiney.  I am not impressed.  It's not "technically" feasible, it's pracitically and quickly achievable.  
  • My god, I know plenty of kids that are allowed to much sugar, and an instruction list that long... You might as well give them the blueprints for a trans-lunar space bridge and tell them to build it. One of my boys friends the other wouldn't play Minecraft because the shortcut wasn't on the desktop, he had to click the start menu and scroll down a bit. So he played bejeweled instead because it was just one click. He was 8 or 9. But you can see where the next generations are heading...
  • Yeah.... It's a sad state of affairs. Your not the only one that is concerned about the next generation...
  • I used to work at a Computer Support shop, and the #1 reason people called or came in, was because default applications or settings had changed. "My home page isn't [...] anymore", "Everything is opening in [...] instead of [...]". This new aproach is better for everyone. And FireFox, if you really care aout your millions of users, here's a few things you can do to prove it. Release Windows Verson Specific builds of FireFox when the new version of Windows is released, instead of months later (no excuse this time around, thanks to the Insider Preview) Create a Universal app version of FireFox, which users can run on all their systems, using OneDrive to sync settings, bookmarks, etc. between devices Fix all the memory and CPU issues. These issues have been around for years now, and still don't seem to be resolved
  • If they do, especially as a universal app, I get to use more of firefox.
  • Personally, I think at this point if they were to build an app it should only be as a Universal app. There is no reason (at least that I can think) to build a standard Windows Store app. Except unless they intentionally wanted to give the cold shoulder to Windows Phone users. And once it transitions to Windows Mobile, they'd be cutting out phones and smaller tablets. Kind of a bad idea.
  • What does the fox says? LOL
  • Haha.
  • in this case: mimimimimimi mimimimimimimimi mimimimimimim lol
  • Mozilla is so so scared of the lightning speed at which edge is browsing, they feel like here is a champion not a contender, they were the boss during IE and now the game has changed, I for one really prefer the new edge to firefox now
  • Why does there have to be an in your face easy? As long as it can be done I don't see the issues.
  • I loved Firefox, but it's become a slow and unresponsive browser in comparison to Chrome and now Edge.
  • Firefox never performed well for me, nor looked well in my opinion. So I don't use it. 8.1 pro I have IE and Opera as my backup.
  • I haven't used Mozilla since like 2004ish. I found it far too "busy" and untidy. Moved to Chrome for a while but in the end it felt too invasive and lacked a certain polish. Stuck with explorer since windows 8 and Edge seems to be everything I'd ever want from a browser. What exactly are the benefits of using Firefox anyway? Unless it can reduce all my basket totals by 10% or has an exclusive deal with youtube to be the only browser that can do 16k res videos at 240fps? Ha ha, imagine the "Browser Wars" all bidding for exclusive content.
  • Other than extensions and it not being a Google product?
    Not much else.
  • Mozilla, you call it harder, I call it safer. Thank god you bastards won't continue changing default browser on PCs of my non-technical family members. It's ridiculous my grandmother is tricked by Google.com into Chrome because "she'll browse web faster" with it.
  • Exactly. These practices are like cheating with the user. Even advanced users eventually change their default browser because of these tricks, even without opting for this, but by haste or lack of attention.
  • Maybe because edge browser is superior to all other browsers
  • I guess you better pull out the diapers and wipes because fire fox is sh*Trinh themselves
  • Wow, twice the mouse clicks..... What will I ever do? Hopefully our next homes won't have twice the steps to the fridge, cuz we will all be fat if we are too lazy to click the mouse a few extra times. Really though, I don't think that this is a big deal considering you can still change your browser preference.
  • If I'm not mistaken, Windows 10 now pops up asking you for the default application for any protocol and file type a program registers when it's installed. For instance, once edge was included in earlier builds I was asked upon clicking a link in an email which app did I want to use: Edge, or Internet Explorer? Same thing with photos (everytime I install an app from the store that registers itself as a potential default for image files clicking an image asks me what app I wish to use; It's annoying. Photos; I want to use Photos.) As such, as long as Mozilla properly registers Firefox as a potential default for the http:// protocol and various webpage file formats, Windows 10 should ask the user whether to use it or another browser as default the first time they click a link in anything.
  • Good point. Not sure if it works like that, but this would certainly negate the argument that this is difficult to change.
  • Wah wah wah... someone give baby their bottle and shut 'em up!
  • Cry me a river, Mozilla.
  • This seems to be a bit ridiculous. I am sure if the users want to change it, they can figure it out. Looks like a publicity stunt to me.
  • Interesting... because less than 10 minutes after installing Windows 10, Internet Explorer had launched and was asking me to make it the default browser...
  • Not a very foxy statement, now is it.
  • Firefox is great I use it, of course companies make it hard to change... Why would they make it easy....
  • It seems like if Mozilla really cared about this issue, that they would have brought it up during the 8 month beta cycle.  Talking about it after Windows ships is a little too late.
  • That's good MS needs to block chrome tooo
  • it's a general 'blocking' not sth special to mozilla. it's like with every other app you'll want to set as standard for certain tasks.
  • Mozilla is scared people may start using Edge and like it better than Firefox. That's what this is al about.
  • Get over your self mozilla.
  • Changing the default ANYTHING is more difficult than it used to be. I'm not that bothered by it, but it's the same with Microsoft apps and any others too. Any app that asks if you want it to be default doesn't work how it used to - Windows pops up telling you when to change it rather than applying the change right away. I figured it's something that will be ironed out in a future update I don't think this is a "Business Tactic" at all on Microsoft's part
  • I have abandoned chrome with Edge (really smooth and the best browser with touch, couldn't ask for more) and never looked back, the import of my settings from chrome was very good too. So, i couldn't care less to be honest whether about chrome, Firefox or any other browser.
  • oh my god this is so difficult. C'mon Mozilla, i used to love Firefox but now you guys are just whiny babies. Maybe you're just sore because the new Edge browser is apparently more secure than Firefox (from what I hear.)
  • They actualy should go and blaim Google, because Googles approach on making Chrome the default browser is one of many reasons why Microsoft changed that system. And if the old way is triggered, Windows explains how to change these settings anyway, no big deal if you ask me.
  • Mozilla also fired their previous CEO based on his own personal beliefs, outside of work.
  • In other words they don't have their browser ready at launch and want to throw someone under the bus
  • The secret of the fox...ancient mystery. What the fox say? Wakapaw wakapaw wakapaw!
  • actually, it's easier I think...
  • Dear Mozilla, It has nothing to do with how easy or hard it is to install Firefox. It has to do with the fact that your browser is a broken piece of s*^t. Fix it and your followers will find a way to install it. Signed, A friend    
  • Just scroling tru the comments. Tought I have to look at the video.  Cry myself an eye out. Firefox, realy? It is THAT hard to change?
  • Most people I know in the tech world, including my father who is a programmer, have never recommended Firefox.
  • I had a little bit of trouble pinning IE to the taskbar. It doesn't show up in your All apps list. Edge was pinned to the taskbar by default, but it was like looking for a ghost looking for a shortcut to IE to pin to the taskbar. Changing the default browser to IE doesn't create a shortcut anywhere.
  • Easy way. Use search/cortana and find it right away.
  • This all seems a bit pathetic from Mozilla, doesn't it? They don't support Win 8 or Win Phone and then get their panties in a twist over an absolute non issue. Selective support then unjustified indignation and insults? Sounds a lot like Google to me...
  • Seems pretty straighforward to me, and simepl. What exactly is too complex? The video shows a process of exactly 1 click, 1 scroll and a selection of a dropdown. Shouldn't take more than 5 seconds, including the time to read through the menu.
  • Hmm, you don't have your W10 version ready, you never made a modern UI version and the old version is looking dated compared to Edge, which also happens to be whipping your ass in benchmarks... Time to trot out the "unfair practices" pony again.
  • Twice as many mouse clicks?!? Oh my god the world is ending!
  • Firefox still around??
    And hope chrome just dies. Finally got rid of it from my daughters PC yesterday. And no more help with malware if it gets back...
  • http://www.chris123nt.com/2015/05/05/blocking-ads-with-microsoft-edge-pr... There we go.... sorted. Edge running even more quickly, you can keep your adblocking bloat.    
  • Not a issue at all. This is just Mozilla banging on pots and being annoying. The process of changing my default browser to Firefox involved clicking twice. Once to say, yes make ff NY default and one for selecting that default in the win 10 settings page that automatically opened.
  • For the record that once Edge enables functionality for add-ons, I'm done with the other browsers.
  • But Firefox isn't ready till august....
  • Tradutor of Edge? :(
  • Only somewhat related:
    I hate the fact that touch gestures are gone in edge. I used them a lot in metro IE, even with my trackpad. It was so easy to go back and forth on a website ... I hope they'll add them later on.
  • Wow. Searching for 'default' in the setting application sure is hard.....
  • I used that hosts good trick to remove ads and I'll ask happy with edge. Your plays so fast it's unbelievable.
  • Don't all modern browsers display pictures and videos of cats reasonably well? Can't you argue with strangers in all browsers? I don't get the problem.
  • Hahaha!!!! Exactly
  • If you're savy enough to use a 3rd party web browser, then you're savy enough to change your default browser in Win10.
  • Agreed
  • Really so what Firefox is saying is that idiots use Firefox? I use it from time to time but i don't think i'm one :))
  • Can I do this in FIrefox OS?
  • probably Netscape grand father is warning about EDGE
  • Firefox: once uninstalled ...never came back
  • Well... No more birthday cake for you Firefox team!
  • Oh my.
  • Firefox is bloatware anyway. Resource hog.
  • 1. type "set browser" in Cortana, press enter 2. press enter again. 3. select browser. You can actualy do it in 9 keystrokes by only typing "set bro" in Cortana.  Boy that was hard!
  • Good, Firefox blows chickens.
  • Boo hoo hoo. When you upgrade to Windows 10 ask your programs are still installed. None are removed. If someone wanted Firefox then they would go and get it. It isn't Microsoft's job to advertise their browser.
  • ...
  • come on mozilla! thats stupid and childish. just be better than edge and firefox users will stick with you... :o i don't get it it's really simple to change the settings to firefox as the standard browser and it's completly understandable that microsoft does not want to give apps more options to dig deeper into the system. for me it makes totally sense. mozilla, just live with it.
  • People are making an initial release build out to be worse than expected, it's obviously not perfect, and this sounds more like an operator malfunction rather than the OS having design issues.
  • This is war bitches. Google and apple have been leading because Microsoft have been playing fair. Ms need to close Windows
  • Sounds to me like edge is a big concern to web browser companies. After all I have switched to edge from chrome as it is faster and has more features.
  • Cry some more
  • what the... on me it's rather easy... or... it's just... a bug on their side?
  • Maybe Mozilla should stop whining lol
  • This are GOOD NEWS!!! :)
  • I will eventually move when edge gets the capability to blocks ads and trackings sites
  • Would love to hear Microsoft block google chrome on windows 10. That would be an epic revenge.. LoL
  • But edge still not support 360 video & no adblock.
  • Windows "10" OS plans on making everyone use Skype. By building it into the new updates. Skype is gr8. Except, people should remain free to chose providers they like. For making phone calls and sending messages on various applicaions they like. I'm the one that invented the interacting phone number. So, people can use all the others too, Google',s, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, SnapChat, WeChat, Viber, Line, Wavee, Hike, Path,Yahoo! Messenger, and of course, Microsoft's Skype, and a World of others yet to come! https://youtu.be/mMo-yf1VGs8
  • Riiiiiight......
  • I'd like to have a default feature to block off Firefox installs for non-power users. That browser is a complete bugfest which crashes on an Haswell i5 8GB machine on an hourly basis. Regular Joes would think that Windows is the culprit because of that. Power users should be the only people allowed to use it, so Microsoft, please, make it very hard to change default browser.
  • I just managed to change my default browser, and somehow I have managed to delete Firefox from my PC in the process, so if you can read this Firefox people (It's my open letter to you), it didn't take as long as I expected........
  • The yearn for a return to the days of the EU mandated "browser choice" dialog.
  • It wasn't so difficult, but i think yes for ordinary people. I agree Windows should be more easier to use.
  • Seriously???
  • I found changing my default programmes very easy. There's a specific dialogue box for it... Hmmm.
  • Screw Mozilla as it is not making Universal Windows browser app
  • I don't get it...is too hard for a user to have to click a few extra times to make something 'default'? If they don't know how to do it, "Bing" or "Google" it...the way to change default is published. Whining about a few extra clicks of mouse...wow. I haven't used Firefox for a couple of years, due to it crashing all the time. Every so often, I would update it to see if it got better, to no avail. I see this as Mozilla is worried that Microsoft may have something better than Firefox.
  • I think FireFox forgot to be apart of the tech preview. They could have made this argument during that process or maybe join the program now and you know leave respectful feedback. Just saying.
  • Also how hard is it to switch the default browser? Launch the preferred one and click yes when it asks if you want it to be the default... Even the Firefox Beta that drops into GA on August 11 does it... So I don't know why they are complaining.
  • I cannot find the option to set Edge as the default browser in FirefoxOS, please help [sarcasm]
  • F..k Mozilla, they fired their cofounder just for supporting tradicional family
  • Lame! Before I even read the article or watched the video, I had the default browser switched to Firefox in just a few seconds! Firefox: Options > Make Firefox my Default Browser > Windows 10: System, Choose Default Apps > Web Browser > Firefox Boom! Done! Suck it Mozilla crybabies!
  • Just for the bitchin, dropping Firefox 1st chance I get AND encouraging others to do the same and promote/push edge.
  • Crybabies.. fix ur damn browser from the piece of cr*p it is today..
  • Is it wrong of me, that with all those "choices" in their diatribe on defaults, that I started reading it with a Kiwi accent? Choice bru... Sorry to all those New Zealanders, but you're thinking it too...
  • really ? youre gonna talk about microsoft making online experience easier ? for gods sake, they gave all their native apps to android and iOS and got nothing back (talking about YouTube) . so Microsoft isnt selfish, excuse you  
  • It's crying ff because now with edge their business will start to shrink, also even Microsoft sold more phones than can do Mozilla with their own HTML5 os the only good of Mozilla it's the store which any developer can post for v free the app that creates , but the rest Mozilla already need to fix the browser, and recall that the rendering engine it's not of their property it was made by Netscape and they just took the code
  • Boo freaking HOO cry me a river Firefox, i stopped using it after that scandal
  • Why MSFT has to be the company that comply with all the shit while google and apple openly refuse to change anything to please anyone other than their own interests.
  • They probably used Edge and realized just how much of a bad place they'll be in once it's gotten things like... Add-Ins (which I don't use, but some cling to Firefox or Chrome specifically for those).
  • So you want to have the option right at your doorstep, yes? That's just plain lazy.
  • When upgrading Windows, there is a window dedicated to this subject, with pictures and a link right under them to change which apps you'd like to set defaults for .  You can click that and uncheck Edge.  It's not hard, and it takes less than the 34 seconds it [supposedly] takes to change it back.  It also completely avoids the situation completely. The choice is clearly given to the user.  It's as if they chose to completely ignore what happens during the Upgrade experience.
  • The problem is that the link is in small print and not very obvious due to the poor contrast. I think that's what Mozilla is concerned about.
  • Firefox go home you are drunken.
  • It was easy to change it. I don't know what crack they are smoking.
  • Go away Mozilla. When I tried to make Firefox my default browser back in the Windows 8 days and after Opera ditched version 12, where was your Modern App? Oh that's right, you guys canned it. Edge looks to be a promising browser and is a universal app. Come back when you take the Modern environment seriously.
  • mozilla should just release firefox on their own os.... oh wait...  
  • this is a ploy to capitalize on microsoft's limelight. they want a free ride.
  • I agree when Firefox asks to be made default browser on RTM it didn't open the default settings or anything. In older windows it just automatically made itself default when you press yes or accept
  • If you can do it in 30 seconds then it's not hard. (Yes, "that's what she said.")
  • Mozilla trying to keep Firefox in the news. 
  • Type "default b" in the search box and the setting for change default browser shows up. Firefox I'd just upset they can't hijack the default programmatically. I'm happy for the way Windows 10 handles it.
  • I think Mozilla's problem with Windows 10 lies in the OOBE that appears during setup. It's not very obvious how to customise the default settings unless you're expressly looking for it (and even then it can be hard to spot due to the poor colour contrast and small print).
  • It's funny because Firefox unlisted their How-to video
  • Really it wasn't hard to change, but Edge annoy me i cant close the last tab it minimise the whole browser
  • LIES!!! at update it asked me flat out. What do you want to open by default. Of course new Microsoft edge was there... My PC gave me the option to choose google chrome of FF as both were installed before the windows 10 update.
  • I'm confused. I downloaded Chrome after upgrading to Windows 10 yesterday and when I opened Chrome it asked if I wanted to set it as my default browser. Doesn't Firefox do the same?
  • LOL Chrome on Windows 10!
    Like running a steam train in 2015
  • Cool Mozilla ..there are more yet to be polished on windows 10.after that your problem will be settled..
  • Ok, did I miss something? The first time I opened the internet after updating, it asked if j wanted to make Firefox my default browser, click yes, it brought me to the screen, I click the drop down menu...and bam, done. Real hard.......
  • That was so simple though...
  • Omg.. I thought it include hacking registry etc.. This is so simple, and it seems to be standard where users can manage default for all apps. Android is similar and might even more difficult..
  • That's a lie. I opened Firefox on my Windows 10 and it prompted me to set it as default. I said yes. It then took me to the new Settings app. I would say that setting defaults is actually easier in 10 than before.
  • It's actually very easy to do it. You just ask Cortana where it's at and she'll open that section up for you.
  • Difficult? easy for me..
  • Hey Mozilla, Don't be such a cry baby..
  • Thats ridiculous. When I installed chrome, it gave me the option the first time I ran it.
  • Ff was pissing me off today. Fuck you ff and chrome!
  • I completely disagree. Once i was upgraded to Windows 10 and I launched Chrome , it did notify me instantly whether i need to set Chrome as default browser. So i dont know what is Mozilla talking about ? I guess they didnt code well   
  • Mozilla worked awful on Windows 7 when had lot of tabs , stinked in websites which used Java and flash because never loaded to me those sites even in new installs just ran once, now with edge runs nice the sites just wish that has Java support
  • Oh no. We've just got rid of that stupid "Browser Choice" thing. If it comes back again, Chris Beard will be #1 on my Sheldon Cooper style "Mortal Enemies" list.
  • twice as many clicks.  So it went from one to two?  That is so hard.  Shame on you, Microsoft.
  • You change the default by installing Firefox, and when it loads, say yes to it being the default....
  • The option is there from the start.
  • I find it interesting, that this video shows in the bottom right corner "Windows 10 Insider Preview - Evaluation Copy Build 10162". I thought we are out of Insider preview and final with 10240? So this video is on an old build and released yesterday. Does anybody know if these steps are still the same? Did they maybe changed it so you can just click change without the extra menu?   I find it hilarious that they basically think their browser users are stupid. IF you change your browser that means: - You know there are different browsers out there. - You probably know that "Firefox is better than the browser you use right now" for whatever reason that may be. - You downloaded the new browser and even installed it (hopefully without any extra bloat- or adware) - You opened it up And NOW you struggle to FOLLOW that new menu that pops up? That Menu makes you AWARE of what you are doing. I know that my mom isn't good with PC's and she always clicks nearly every messagebox she can find. And if she changed her browser from A to B she wouldn't even notice. That window right there would stop her because she may would think "uh, what's that? Change default programs? What is that? Do I want that? Hmm probably not." People who can't understand and follow that window should plainly not change their browser because they don't know what they are doing. And another point: Hopefully that window makes it harder to hijack browsers. I hate it when a browser gets installed and hijacks itself as default.   Regards,
  • Did they notice only now? windows 10 preview is out for months !
  • Don't remember the last time I launched mozila on my PC. Lol
  • They are saying this becuse their on the edge, and Edge is taking over :D
  • As soon as I installed mozilla on windows 10 it must have literally taken me 10 seconds to set it as the default browser
  • Really Mozzila?? Really?? Amazing, in fact, it's incredibly hard to change de default web Browser... It took you guys 20 seconds to do it. You do understand that it's the software to has to adapt to a OS and not the other way around, right?
  • I agree. They've added an extra step which just annoys me, especially after doing it on several computers.
  • Having a separate page in Settings with each and every option listed and described is now called "taking a right to choose from users"? This is ridiculous.
  • ok so it takes more than one click now ... it takes two ... if that is too hard for someone step away from the pc slowly please there is paper and some crayons in the corner over there. seriously this complaint is laughable, all they did was unify the standard program process. it took me about 5 seconds to change my browser back to IE (because edge lacks tracking protection lists at the moment - i can live happily without apps but not without ad-blocking, so i will wait for this feature to become available before giving edge a shot).
  • When a browser attempts to set itself as the default, an instruction popup appears instead. It has been like that since 8.1. Pretty sure Mozilla is crying about this. And Microsoft is today Getting antitrust by Scroogle.
  • Mozilla is retarded.
  • Is it April Fools yet? Keep it classy, Firefox *smh*
  • Cant import my favorites from FF to Edge. Why MS dont put an option to import from a .html file ?
  • His complaint is correct. I had a similar reaction back when this change to how default apps were set. But, he's a CEO. It's more than a bit immature to respond the way he did. As for the snarky comments; Windows Central ommitted the part about how the Firefox team attempted to work with Microsoft on the default apps issue over the past few preview builds, but got no responses. It didn't sneak up on them.  I'm not sure I really buy the increased security excuse. The average computer user is dumber than a carrot, and-despite the snark and eyerolling anecdotes about people's grandmas, middle aged aunts, etc, being able to figure it out-aren't ever going to change defaults if it isn't a simple pop-up prompt like it is in Windows 8/8.1, and it's very difficult to believe that didn't have some part in MS' decision to go that route. Now, that said, I don't think that's actually a bad thing. Windows is a MS product, and MS should be allowed to do whatever the damn hell they want with it. It's called a market for a reason. Money will eventually talk.  Also, if they hadn't changed the way default apps are selected via a pop up prompt, the lack of extensions at release would have likely instantly doomed Edge to irreverance. General audience stupidity will likely keep Edge numbers high enough to survive the lull until extensions finally arrive. 
  • Mozilla is becoming as whiny as Opera.
  • WTF Mozilla! That isn't hard AT ALL! Actually, I think it seems EASIER to change the default browser in Windows 10 that it was in Windows 7. If you're going to post a video, why not include the method for BOTH operating systems to prove your point?
  • That wasn't so hard
  • Mozzilla needs to stop whining. People who want to change to FF will find a way.
  • It's an MS right and a right Technical decision too
  • What the hell? I upgraded to Windows 10 and Edge did become the default browser, as I'd expect any OS to do that comes with a built in browser. But Firefox was still there in my list of apps. Open it up and the first thing it does is ask me if I want to make Firefox my default browser. How much easier can it get? In fact, it's no different than prior versions of Windows.
  • Firefox cannot even keep up with their original selling point of Firefox OS. Where are those sliders and flip phones uh? You're not doing so well, screw up personalizing your computer and then criticize Microsoft like hipster trash that is Engadget and Verge? Learn how to develop your own operating system and learn how to change defaults... It's your loss.
  • It's almost like that video is Mozilla making fun of themselves for how EASY it is to change it. People will complain about anything.
  • You call that difficult? WTF! Lack of attention or someone doesn't know how to read stuff before they click on buttons.
  • Microsoft is a threat in the browser field, finally! Never liked Firefox/Opera and Chrome is a RAM eater that does nothing but clog all the RAM. Really, with all that RAM used up, you'd think it'll go fast, but nope... sadly.
  • Oh, Boo hoo, Firefox. Be greatful MS is building OS's you can piggyback on to run your browser.
  • What they're actually complaining about is how easy it is to see where the change is made. You can literally search in laymen terms how to change your default web browser. If people install Firefox and they're not pleased with it, now they know how to revert the change easily, and Mozilla doesn't like that.   Mozilla even has Firefox redirect you to the Settings, something even the Skype app isn't doing yet.
  • If Mozilla would've just asked Cortana, they would have seen just how easy it was *rolls eyes* If your customers want your browser bad enough, they will figure it out!
  • I love Firefox, but this is ridculous. It's just unprofessional. There is clearly nothing wrong with what Microsoft has done. In fact, it looks like they've improved a prior seruttiy softness where users were often tricked too easily to changing browsers (not by Firefox, but by many of the embedded installers/malware with third party apps). Now, by bringing users to the selection page if they want to change, users can always properly control which browser they are using. As far as I'm concerned, that's the right way to handle this. It's as if Mozilla just wants to say something outrageous to generate the free press and media attention. That would be fine, except they're doing it by bashing Windows for no reason. This makes me like Firefox a lot less...
  • Hmmm...it took me 4 mouseclicks total.  Hardly seems that complex.
  • firefox user here. the only one to offer the finger experience which is vimperator/pentadactyl. the others don't  care about them. until I go whole touch, firefox remains relevant as I only touch the keyboard.