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Sorry, there is no Nokia 'Lumia 1820'

With Microsoft’s Build 2014 just right around the corner, it looks like I have to squash some rumors floating around. The latest is “confirmation” of a Lumia 1820.

The first report of a Lumia 1820 came from a non-reputable Twitter source, who promised it would feature a hilariously spec’d “3GB RAM 5.2 inch QHD screen and Snapdragon 805” along with a Lytro camera. I said back before Mobile World Congress that it was nonsense, as many were “predicting” it would be announced at that Nokia event. It was not.

Now, the unicorn phone has returned.

The new “evidence” comes from Noreve, who is a high profile case maker for mobiles. Many less reputable sites have taken Noreve’s listing of a “Nokia Lumia 1820 leather case” as proof that this phone exists.

It does not.

I have checked our sources high and low, and no one has ever heard of this phone. That’s not to say Nokia may not someday make a “Lumia 1820” – whatever it may be – but there isn’t one about to be released anytime soon.

Let’s answer a few things though.

For one, I have heard there will be a dual lens phone from Nokia, but not until Q4-Q1 (2015). That’s quite a ways off. The same applies to ‘Goldfinger’, the super mysterious device with a 3D gesture system and no buttons. That phone is not expected until early 2015. I suppose it could come earlier, and in fact some people expected it to. But I’m guessing whatever powers that 3D gesture system is the key to its release, and that could take some time.

Like many reports about tech that is far off, treat it with a grain of salt. Development is dynamic.

I’ve also heard you should expect another flagship at Verizon, and replacements for the Lumia 1520 and Lumia 925 on AT&T. I have no timeframes for those releases or what those devices even are yet.

Finally, you may be asking: Why did Noreve even put that page up? It’s a good question, and I think I have the answer: SEO.

Noreve is a smart company. They know that to sell products you need to get your product pages into Google and Bing. That’s called search engine optimization (SEO). Generally speaking, the earlier you create a page, the more hits you garner and as a result, you get a higher page rank. Basically, if you want a “Lumia 1820 case”, Noreve wants their product page to be at the top when you do that search. This is no different from companies buying up domains for products that don’t exist – just in case, ya know?

To game the system, companies often pick up on what other tech sites are reporting. There have been many reports of a “Lumia 1820” (with no proof), so they probably assumed (like many of you) that it must be true. As a result, they created a place holder page for a non-existent product in the event that the phone is real.

But for now, at least I’m not buying into any of this Lumia 1820 talk, and I don’t think you should either. For next week at Build and Nokia’s event, I’m expecting Windows Phone 8.1, the Lumia 630 and the Lumia 930 with maybe some app announcements. No Nokia wearables, no ‘Goldfinger’ and no ‘Lumia 1820’. 

Daniel Rubino
Executive Editor

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

  • Hopefully a next gen "1020" is in development at least.
  • +1
  • +1820
  • You said 1820! <runs over to blog and claims I've heard it's coming from "sources">
  • It's not. Sorry.
  • That sucks because I've become spoiled by the camera in my 1020.
  • I am spoiled by my 1020 as well. I am lucky enough to carry what I want, and I choose 1020 for my daily driver.
  • It will not be overshadowed by any new camera on the market for a while. Don't worry. There's still very little that can be done to actually improve upon the 1020 imaging. Which is why it's not in Nokia's priority list (I have no idea about Microsoft's though. Remember that, once Nokia's gone and the employees move to Microsoft, all the plans may change).
  • I would like a 5-6" with the 1020 Camera. I love my 1520, but I will not use as my daily due to camera.
  • Complacency...
  • how about 1525
  • Yeah, the 1020 is the end of the line, Nokia/MS will not release a successor... sure. /s I think companies pretty much start working on the successor of their products the moment they release them. Or even before -when they have features that can't make the final cut yet.
  • No, they will not release one that soon. Nokia won't release it for sure. And Microsoft may have other priorities. The 1020 is a niche device. It doesn't get replaced every year. Sorry.
  • Who said anything about replacing it every year? You were claiming it was not in development yet. And what are you constantly sorry about?
  • It's not. It may be planned. But it's currently not being developed yet. There are other stuff taking priority.
  • You'll be more credible if you were presently employed by Nokia or Microsoft. And as you'e not, and probably even unemployed now, come back next time when you are and tell us all about it.
  • I see MS only working on three models with the Lumia range.. A low end phone that ll replace the 520,620,720 and variants and a high end phone that ll replace the 820,920,925 and variants and possibly a phablet to replace the 1520 but not the 1320.
  • I agree. The 1020 took a long time to get released following the 808.
  • Are the 1520 and Icon not proper successors?  Sure they have fewer megapixels, but their image quality has been tested time and time again and they hold their own against the 1020.  I've heard for YEARS that "megapixels aren't everything."  Practice what you preach(ed) people.
  • No, they are not successors to the 1020. The 1020 is a flagship imaging device. The 929 and 1520 take great pictures, don't get me wrong. But they don't reach the 1020.   But you are right. If you can't take photos properly, you can have a 1020 and still suck at it. And have a 620 and take amazing photos.
  • Agree. Even a HTC One with 4 UltraPixel can take better pictures if one has good photography skills.
  • With 4 megapixels* There's nothing "ultra" about One's pixels.
  • I gree with you guys but they could make a phone with the 1020 specifications or camera but with a 6 inch screen. Actually that's what I'm expecting!
  • Evleaks said there would be a new imaging flagship.
  • Proof?
  • You don't really expect me to go around putting other people in trouble, do you?
  • That's a stock cop out answer.
  • You're so full of shit in every post you make.   Evleaks has already confirmed the 1020 successor is on its way, and they did this back in November 2013. It's going to come out this year.   Stop writing about things you know nothing of, John Snuuuw.  
  • That may be the dual-lens device I mention in the article. Kind of makes sense. Still, I'd bet on something towards the end of 2014 as the 1020 is kind of niche.
  • I always imagined the plenoptic camera from Pelican Imaging would be in the next imaging flagship. But if what you say is true then that may very well be it instead. Which makes me wonder how they'll market the respective devices, since both will then undoubtedly feature next-generation mobile camera modules. They couldn't possibly release two different imaging flagships, could they? Perhaps they'll just make the transition from legacy camera modules into the light-field camera modules on their regular phones, keeping the imaging flagships separate.
  • There could be a successor but not in camera, maybe a 1020 with better specifications like in pixels, ppi, ram, processor,etc. I guess not in camera!
  • Nokia can always keep the niche camera module of 1020, with improved processors and more rams, etc. And that will also be a successor for 1020. Nokia doesn't need to change or improve the camera. Just like how HTC made their M8 to be successor of M7. Have you talked to Nokia or MS to confirm that this is really not going to happen? Otherwise, you making wild guesses as well.
  • M8 has improvements on camera module. Something about dual-thing (I forgot what part was the dual thing refers to, but enough reason to remove the OIS).
  • I know more than you, that I'm sure. Do you want to bet no successor to the 1020 will come at least until the end of the year? There are other priorities than to replace niche phones. If you can't understand that, pity.   Also, that tweet is really generic. A Nokia device "featuring a Siri-like assistant"? That'd be any WP8.1 phone. Evleaks gets a lot right. But he also fails or doesn't know a lot of stuff (find me the tweet where he saw the X+ and XL coming).
  • You know exactly shit. You're just doing guess-work based on leaks, like most people around here. What you are good at though is throw out puny threats to shift to iOS with the 5S, to Android with the Z1, and Android again with the X. Unless and until you make real your numerous threats, you're nothing but a twerp.
  • I want to be evleaks when i grow up.
  • I would love that! But I can't wait any longer, so I'm going to get the 930 on AT&T. I hope evleaks posts more about it though, as the announcement for it is REAL close!
  • This could also be my next phone. I really want to hold out for Goldfinger, but I don't think I can wait that long.
  • Same @GoldFinger but I would get the 1520 instead
  • Waiting next gen 1520 ❕❕❕
  • same here, can't wait for Lumia 1525, the next generation of Lumia 1520. but I don't know is that a real thing or not because Lumia 1820 & Lumia 1525 announced unofficialy at a same time
  • I hope so, but fear it is not going to appear before 2015. What is that duel lens bit they refer to in the article?
  • +surface 2?
  • Waiting for.... Water resistant and shock proof phones from nokia... Though they have sturdy builds... But want it with water resistant phones... Heard that nokia was working on a molecular level for the same.. And the news disappeared.... Dying for it... :)
  • I guess 1020 and phablet variety will come in 2015.
  • Nope no successor to the 1020 for now
  • +1020 That's what I'me waiting for
  • No wearables? :(
  • I hope Dan is wrong. Ok back to reality as he rarely is.
  • Nokia are working on wearables, but from what I hear it won't be until later in the summer/September time frame.
  • Why nokia and ms are so slow on bringing new technologies to market.... Obesrving that they already are available by other brands... They shud gear up and not relax... Fill the technology gap atleast in hardware and bring some innovation as well.... :)
  • Phew! Thanks for clarifying!
  • You mean that Facet smartwatch? It's seriously bad. It seemed as if Nokia got drunk and made that!!!  I hope Nokia has a better plan than that..
  • Even more hilarious are the specs the likes of PhoneArena are reporting. Oh well.
    Let me go pick up a case for the Nokia Lumia 4930. Oh you don't know about the 4930? It's coming. It's a 5" device that has a 1020mp camera.
  • There was even talk of a mid-range 4.5" phone with a 2K resolution. :P
  • A rating of 1 on the rumor meter on a report that says the 1820 isn't happening. What are you trying to pull here, Daniel.? :P
    Will take this with a grain of salt. ;)
  • Keeping one foot in the door. Door is closed on the foot though.
  • Now that i got that out of the way, what i wanted to say is the following: is this the supposed Lumia Icon for AT&T version? I thought i read around here that something similar is in the works and that said device was to be announced on Build week.
  • This one is probably still happening :)
  • 930 is AT&T Icon
  • 930 won't be international?
  • Oh, it likely will, but as always, Nokia is in bed with ATT here in the states, meaning ATT is likely to receive exclusivity stateside.
  • Rumors rumors rumors i think these are good for building a hype around a product.
  • Total b.s. What's next? There is no Bigfoot? No Chupacabre? Please. Try something more believable next time, Daniel.
  • I want a spyshot of Bigfoot walking his chupacabra whilst talking on his 1820.
  • LOL
  • You'll have to talk to the NSA, they'll have it.
  • If a "1" is "nothing here, move along," what is a 2? Don't think I've seen that rating on a rumor. What are all the clever sayings Daniel? Or direct me to them.
  • You'll never know.
  • Unless something is a "2". Give us a 2!!!!!!
  • Oh, there it is. Thanks.
  • Well in a way, this saddens me because this means that there is not a super high end coming from Nokia. I mean like 1520 esque. The 930 is nice but I was hoping for something to replace my 1520 or at least the 1020 :(
  • If you have a 1520 and 1020, you can wait longer, like a 1020 replacement. I have a 920, and haven't pulled the trigger on those devices, so I will probably get the 930.
  • You and me both if the 930 is real.
  • If you want a phablet, then you'll have to wait. Otherwise than 930 is expected to be a 929 with slightly better specs which makes it better than the 1520 ;)
  • 1520 has been out for less than half a year, no way there'll be an "upgrade" this soon.  Even the 1020 has only been out for 9 months, though it would have been nice if we get an upgrade on that one. But at least we are getting a 930, been holding my 920 since launch week, can't wait!
  • You want a replacement for your 1520 already?! Why??????? What more do you need lol
  • I'm impatient and ready for more Lumia goodness :)
  • Hopefully that 930 is somewhere between the 920 and 1520 in size and not simply an international Icon. 
  • I bet it would seem faster..
  • Just stop.
  • This comment seems faster.
  • "Another flagship on Verizon" is just what I wanted. I really didn't want the Icon for various reasons, but mainly because of the lack of an SD slot. Hopefully this new device will have one.
  • +1228!
  • Really, I'd rather have a "828/832" type device... something smaller than a 5" screen with at least 720p, SD slot and 2 GB RAM on Verizon.
    That's my dream anyway, and with this news I guess I'll stay with Verizon until we here more about it. If it's not up to my expectations, I'm off to AT&T.
  • Same here, just no carrier.
  • Cant wait for the 930 announcement!
  • +920
  • 930 ... This baby is gonna rock.
  • Since we're moving away from the Nokia Lumia xx2x series, that's not hard to predict....
  • Why do you seem to think we are moving away from the Nokia xx2x lines?
  • 1520 is still fresh, let just people use and feel that phone, then let nokia release a new one after.
  • 2015! Lord have mercy. So this means expect nothing new basically until then?
  • Let them focus on updating the phone
  • Thought we are getting update...
  • WP, the OS of perpetual waiting. :)
  • ...for those who'd rather stick with carrier released updates, Good luck waiting. I for one will not wait a day longer. So developer preview for me.
  • No. It means those devices with 2k screens etc will not come until 2015. Goldfinger is still a prototype.
  • That's a long ways to go. I was expecting update to the 920 and 1020, especially the 920.
  • The update to the 920 is the 930, coming next week ;)
  • Rumors suggest its the international version of the Icon. Therefore its not "true" successesor to the 920.
  • The Icon(929) is a successor to the 928 just the same way the 930 will succeed the 920. The 930 is an international version of the icon in the sense that it's a high spec non-phablet device. It should improve somethings on the Icon, obviously (there's a chance the 801 will be on board ;))
  • Excellent point
  • 930 is basically the Icon with microSD, the Lumia design, and no built in wireless charging (which I like, built in adds weight and thickness).
  • The 930, being an international version, will have built in Qi charging. AT&T may get one without it, but the international version of the 930 will have it
  • Then I hope it doesn't add much thickness and weight...
  • Don't know about that. But I'd be fine if it's exactly like the 920.
  • 5 inches would be nicer though...
  • I would be willing to go up to 5" if the size of the phone doesn't increase (like Sony did with the X2). But not beyond that. And honestly, I'd like it to do down to a more manageable size. The 920 is already too big to handle with one hand (and I have big hands). With the Action Centre on top, big devices become less practical.
  • I agree. I love wireless charging on the 920, and I doubt if I'd get a device without it. I don't want a phablet, though. It needs to be 5" at most.
  • The first 4 months of owning my 920, I loved wireless charging. Then, it felt gimmicky to me. Anyways, I love Qi, but I prefer wireless charging not to be built in, and instead, have it as an accessory to buy.
  • I don't. It's a thing I hate on the 1020. Having to attach cases is horrible and denies the ability of protecting your phone with a case. I want it built in. And I use it a lot.
  • If they make it thinner and lighter, sure.
  • Honestly, based on videos on YouTube where people opened the 925 and placed the chip found on the Qi covers inside the phone, I think the Qi wasn't at all the reason for the 920's chubbiness. 
  • I don't find the 920 to be too thick. It's fine for me.
  • I don't want separate accessories either. I want built in wireless charging like on the 920 and 1520.
  • Any chance it will have an international version ?
  • Probably.
  • Wireless charging adds virtually no thickness or weight.  The entire assembly is very small and there has been no noticable weight or size difference for phones with and without Qi.  The only reason to pull it is for the reasons that AT&T has, namely it competes with a standard that AT&T is pushing for.   Here is a Qi coil if anyone is curious:
  • Agreed. Adding cases for wireless charging is what makes phones heavier and thicker. Defies the whole reason of having a nice, sleek built-in solution. Somebody mentioned wireless charging as gimmicky and impractical, but with the awesome sales you're able to find on Nokia charging plates, it's a no-brainer. I have one on my nightstand, one at work and one in the living room.
  • Doesn't that add weight and thickness though, like what happened with the 920?
  • The 920 was thicker and heavier than the 928 despite it having a better camera assembly.  The 920 thickness was a design decision, it had nothing to do with wireless charging.  The wireless portion of the difference between them was negligible.
  • But what is there is.
  • What about the Nokia Monarch device heading to T-Mobile? I'd expect they also announce that at their event too?
  • I just want 8.1 on 1520 asap!
  • Hi Daniel, slightly off topic but i was just wondering and i know you possibly cant say but is there a chance that the phone app has seen an UI/UX overhaul in 8.1? I hope that they group call logs instead of listing each instance.
  • would love an epic followup to the 1020.... same size, same or better cam, and an SD card
  • Boom! Me too.
  • He said, "...another flagship at Verizon..." :-D
  • No, but there is an upcoming device Lumia 666 with 1337 megapixels camera.
  • Running iOS.
  • With a physical keyboard.
  • And removable battery.
  • As well as the ketchup on your face detector.
  • Seriously? The goldfinger not until 2015!??!
  • The Goldfinger is still a prototype. If you see it by the summer, you'll be seeing it much like Sony's VR set.
  • Nokia/have their work cut out for the, I think a lot of people will be happy with a slightly smaller Lumia 1520 . 
  • I have used the 1520 for a month now, I don't want a smaller display on a phone ever again ithink. The phone is so thin and sleek. And fits in my jeans(regular and slim). But ppl are all different, but I honestly believe that alot of ppl thinks 6" to big without trying first. I know I did, but gave it a shot. Very glad I did. +1520
  • " stupid" to think that ms and Nokia were actually trying to get ahead of the game . I mean come on! Who would think that ms would really show the world that there really going after the mobile industry? That would be "crazy" to think such a thing!! And yes I'm being sarcastic!
  • Another flagship for Verizon? I had to buy my wife a new pair of earrings just to get her to let me get the Icon! I can't even imagine what a NEW flagship will cost me! :p
  • "Had to buy her earrings" to "Let you get the Icon" Seriously? Sounds more like a master/slave relationship than a marriage. Maybe you should get her a strap-on if you haven't already. Just kidding. Maybe.  :)
  • I suppose you could flip it and say she had to buy me the phone in order to get her new earrings...but then that would be lying. :P
  • I'm glad you are a good sport and have a sense of humor mate! :)
  • Life's too short too take things like this too seriously!