At this point I’m not sure whether to call it the Nokia Lumia 909 or 1020. Whatever we end up calling EOS isn’t that big of a deal, what really matters to you is what colors you’ll be getting on day one. Here they are – black, yellow, and white.
A tipster sent us a screenshot of upcoming inventory for their Microsoft Store. What’s interesting is that the device is called the Lumia 1020 (and not the 909). It will retail for $602 and come in your choice of yellow, black or white. Bonus internet points for whoever can guess what color Dan will get.
On the bottom left of the screenshot you’ll see a date of 7/22/2013. Our insider tells us that date is when they usually receive the shipment. After that it's a few days before it becomes available. There's a good chance you'll be getting your devices within two weeks of next Thursdays announcement. We’ll learning more next week. This store in particular will be getting 70 total units.
Keep your eyeballs on Windows Phone Central. We’ll be live at the Nokia Zoom event next Thursday.
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Nokia Lumia 1020 priced at $602, comes in yellow, black, and white
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I could care less what color...I will have it in a rubber case so I can set it on anything without slipping, same as my 920's now. If we can have them by August, this will be amazing!!!!
is this only for at&t?
Very attractive retail price - $602! Lumia 920 is around $550 retail!
Surely it's gonna be a great phone. But check out the story of my Lumia 920:
https://www.facebook.com/nokia/posts/10151464510742397
If I am missing something point it out, but I think this is poor customer service + an immature ecosystem.
Yellow, of course!!!!!
OK, quick question: Im from Brazil, but Im going to USA in october. If I buy this phone out of contract, will I be able to use it here in Brazil?
Now to find out how much a unlocked international version will be... This or the 925 on T-Mobile, Hmmm
Damn I really like my Cyan L900 It will be tough to upgrade without more colors.
Yellow!
Dan will get white. And so will I.
To much bezel!
I actually like the bezel on my 920, keeps the screen away from phone corners, easy for my thumbs to reach each corner.
Only 70 units ordered? Hope the demand is higher :'(
Why is it everytime a new phone comes out 920 users point out that the next phone isn't worth upgrading to there are tons of people like me with 900's and other phones who would like to enjoy this news because we will be upgrading soon and weather or not you buy the 909 or 925 is your personal choice but your not necessarily the target for these products so pointing out how you don't need a better camera is getting boring to read well id love a 41mp camera on my phone so Instead of leaving at&t for the 925 I'll stay for the 909 but no cyan sort of sucks and they don't always make cyan shells for every phone
Only reason I complain is that when you at improvements from Lumia 900 to Lumia 920 there was a huge difference all across the board not just a better camera so I wonder if the next line of Lumia flagship phones will continue to have the same specs as the last just with better cameras ? I hope not! Because like I said on my last post well have a 100,000,000mp camera phone still running dual cores and 720 screens while Samsung starts making 4k screens and super fast multi cores I know wp8 doesn't need mulitcores to run smooth but imagine a wp8 Nokia with a 4k screen multicore handset on wp8 that would be awesome
This phone sure has a lot of names
But some said this is not the flagship device its just another variant of lumia920, well, will see on july 11
Maybe microsoft need to hire google developer for 1080p display lol
NOOOOO... I need a red one
There will be a red one.
I hope the only improvements for Nokia phones from year to year aren't just camera up grades because at that rate we May have 100,000,000 mp camera phone but it still will only have dual cores and still only 720p screens there was a bit of difference between all the different galaxy phones Gs,gs2,gs3,gs4 all where better than the last and not only by the camera they upt the processor , screen size screen resolution etc
Given that Nokia had refreshed the phone a 4th time in 8 months shows that only camera upgrades are not in store. Once Microsoft catches up on the software front to support Android like specs only reason not to consider Nokia phones would be a hatred of Nokia or Microsoft, or a special app not present in wp8, or the Nokia phone you want is not available in your region. Iphone's get updated twice a year, Galaxy once.
No lime green or baby blue? I was planning to switch colors from my yellow 920. :(
the design is very very ugly compared to 920 and 925....I prefer to wait for the GDR3 flagships if nokia will make their deisngs similar to 925 or 920
i waiting nokia "pelican"
I want it, but I don't think I can put money towards it. I need a Win8 device first.
they have ti fix others storage bug before i will buy another windows phone, or im going back to s40
1080p zetacore samsung with crappy camera or Lumia EOS with fantastic camera?
Not a very diffucult decision.
Dan is getting yellow for sure. At first I was not a fan of hello at all. In fact, I thought it was a little ugly. Then I saw it at the Microsoft Store and had to have it even though I already had Cyan. Yellow Rules!
Can Nokia throw in a screen capable of 1080p in the future when gdr3 is released but in the mean time with gdr2, use display settings of 720p when launching in Jul 11?
This is a great question I'd love to know the answer to. Honestly though, I don't think we actually need 1080p on a screen less than 6". Won't see the difference yet will cost Nokia more to make amd drain battery.
It's a quiet day in wpcentral, ain't it?
I'm GUARANTEED to get mine in "out of stock" ...it's been my goto choice in the past two Lumia launches!
I hate to be a Debbie downer in the party, but I don't really like the idea of this new flagship looking so similar to the 920, I expected a little more difference than just the hump. Since thx is going to be a CAMERA phone, I would have loved for the screen to less prominent bezel like the flagship Droid phones of their competitors. It doesn't have to be a phablet but the screen should be expansive and prominent.
Of course all that I can tolerate if they make the minimum base model 32GB, then higher from that point. It would be asinine to release anything less for a device that will be capturing Gigabyte size media, and SkyDrive doesn't count since reliable mobile data is not guaranteed everywhere and more convenient to access your file locally lag free.
Anyways my two cents.
If this doesn't have a 1080p, shows another proof that Microsoft needs to restructure their entire WP team, cause they are seriously slow and just slow Nokia down. Gates needs to step in as well.
Aren't they doing that right now? (Bringing W8 and WP8 teams closer together somewhat?)
Damn. Gotta have red. If not, no buy.
I hope it's just this store only that is limited by the colors and other stores will have red available.
PLEASE!
I'll definitely be tempted but only if it has a 1080p screen and I suspect it doesn't as the update to support 1080p won't be available in time for its launch. It seems very odd to have a 41 MP camera and only a 720p screen to view the photos you've taken.
I honestly hope I'm wrong and it does in fact have a 1080p screen.
1020 is an att exclusive, and 909 for the rest of the world....maybe?
Well Dan had a white 920 and now a yellow 920, so I think he will get yellow.
There should be a red one too, right? http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/06/nokia-eos-2013-06-06-02.jpg
Maybe Microsoft won't sell that.
Or, like the white/pink 900 on AT&T and the red/white/yellow 920 on Rogers, it will come later.
Red for Verizon!
(Yeah, right...)
We ned more stora space 32gb's on my 920 is down to 8.7 gb's left either add an sd card slot or make it a 64 gb's would be better? whata y'all think?
Don't you think it's enough leaks? It seems that Nokia has nothing to announce anymore since everything has been spoiled by now. I am looking forward to this device and most likely drop my L920 for it.
Seems like a lot of people are pretty down on this device. Is it because it has a hump on the back? Is it because they are still in contract on their WP8 device (as most in the US with WP8 are) and want their phone to remain on top of the heap? I just don't get it. We should all be excited that Nokia is pushing this kind of technology to a WP device rather than put it down that it is not worthy of a 10XX named device, etc. The more choices we have, the better. This kind of technology is the stuff that will make people switch to WP, not specs like quad core or 1080p that will make little functional difference for most people.
I don't understand this either....lol.
I think a lot of the commentors have 920's already and are not available for an upgrade yet. However, there's still a lot of us here with 1.5-2nd gen WP7 devices still, that are about to be up for an upgrade now.
Anyway, I asked this same question on MyNokiaBlog a couple of hours ago. MyNokiaBlog has probably the worst anti-WP trolls ever on a blog/site, but the commentary of this device looks to be generally favored there compared to here? (maybe because they already know what the 808 can do -as a lot of US consumers have not seen this yet). ---And also, it could be the fact that there are a lot of spec enthusiasts here (especially in the US) that want to see unrealistic (or unnoticable) specs with a 41MP cameraphone and have Nokia try to keep the price down for everyone.
It's kind of depressing coming over here and reading the comments these days. ---It's all mindf****
I know many old Nokia fans wouldn't upgrade to any other WP device unless it was a "true" Pureview device like the EOS here. After using Symbian on my 808, I would give anything for a WP EOS. This piece of technology is just too rare to pass up for some people like myself.
I think it has more to do with us getting the same 920 as last year with a better camera. We want to break our contracts, believe me. But we wouldn't do it just for a camera. That 1080p and quad core are a must in 'murica
I'll get a black one
With black olives and mushrooms?
Arghh I want this but I also wanna see if we end up getting a 1080p lumia soon. Dang choices...
Choices are good :-)
I do wonder if a polycarbonate and aluminum version of EOS will both be available. If either phone is available worldwide soon after release that is a win. Also hope the unveiling has more pizzazz than the 925 snooze fest.
Why speculate and who cares? No reason to get peoples panties in a bunch. Easy with the caps.
WELL, I CARE AND WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY PANTIES?
Lol
Relative to the "what they should name it" subthread- do people think a 725 would be coming? I'd REALLY like to get my pre teen kids a Lumia, but none of the options seems overly kid friendly. 92x ain't gonna happen for cost reasons, and I'm concerned about the long term gaming implications of 512MB. And Gorilla Glass would be a necessity I think given the age bracket. I think Nokia is missing an opportunity to sell a phone for kids.
Am I alone in this thought?
Honestly, you want a phone for your kids but you want to to give them all high end lol. The 521 is perfect for a kid. You just have to let go of the thought that they would NEED 1 gig of ram, flash, and gorilla glass
Yes, honestly :-). Since gaming is important to them, its a safe bet at least some of the newer games will require 1GB. In fact, with me not gaming much, they likely need it more than me. Gorilla glass == durability seems obvious. Agreed flash isn't necessary, but never mentioned it in my OP.
Your reasons for wanting those features make sense
I want all the colors of the rainbow. lol no. I want yellow
Does it really need an AT&T and a Nokia logo on the front? It doesn't look harmonic
Nokia obviously deserves its name on there. ATT in the other hand does not.
There's a Nokia logo on the back of it already! ...and another one when you turn it on
Omg this camera has a phone built-in!!!
I guess Nokia figures if an MP3 player can have a phone built in why not have a camera with a phone service lol
I see what you did there.. :P
That sentence belongs to the infamous galaxy camera. This one here is slimmer than 920 and has pretty much exactly the same body as it.
yellow for the dirty fellow.
Your text wall crashed my computer
Sir, you don't get it. 900 series are all the same phones for different carriers. The galaxy and iphone are popular now, just wait, be patient.
I get the idea behind carrier variation, this is labelled 1020 and still has the feel of 900, it is just a pureview 808 in a lumia shell
What do these responses have to do with my question? Did something get deleted?
LOL, I think so. I was trying to follow the replies as well....
Anyway, to answer your question. I think there will be a preorder up at the MS store for this phone. I would have to double check here in the next few days though. I was kind of hoping AT&T would do a pre-order type thing for this phone like they have for other high anticipated phones.
Joseph, that was the intention. Bring the 808 experience to windows in a slimmer body. Mobile phones hardware can only be made in so many ways. Eventually the software is what is going to differentiate. And wht better combo than Microsoft and Nokia. Cheers!
AmericanRaj I hear you, but fact of the matter is Nokia has reinvented phone cameras and it seems like that is where most of their develpoment lies. They can reinvent the battery of smartphones for instance...
They are working on solar charging. So never have to plug the phone to charge. Just like the Citizen wrist watch.
Does the MS store let you pre-order phones for delivery on launch day?
If not Cyan, then Yellow.
Dan will get yellow!
Hmm perhaps 149 new contract?
Yellow will be sold out everywhere, as per usual...
So there are two variants. A polycarbonate 909 and a metallic 1020?
this is what i belive
Damn you Nokia. All I want is a 928 with a 4.3" screen and no NFC. Why you use 4.5" screens all the time?!!
Dan will get black.
Interesting. The Lumia 920 was $450 off contract but the better camera technology really makes a difference. Also I think they should offer at least one more color, like matte cyan. I'm not a fan of how easily the glossy coating is scratched. You can't see any scatches unless there's direct lighting, but when there is it looks beat up. And I don't even treat my phone badly!
Anyways, I'm going to wait for the next flagship that comes with GDR3. I'm hoping for: 5-5.7 inch 1080p AMOLED screen, pureview camera and a Snapdragon 600/800 (preferably 800).
I hope the next Lumia comes with more than just a better camera
All yellow everything!!!!!
I would pay $800, just for the camera.
Hope its not called 1020, 940 suits the lineage much better. Might hold out for the alloy bodied gdr3
If it is just a fancy camera upgrade...not worth upgrading from my 920...they really need to step it up like they did with the 925.
Yeah I agree. Not a major selling point for L920 owners since most are not even halfway through contract. I'm almost done with my contract though and I'm quite tempted :-)
Yussir! My contract /upgrade went up today. I am ready to disembark the WP7 sinking ship. Even though, I'll miss custom rom development, I am getting up there in age where I don't have much time for that anymore.
White/Black/Yellow are great choices, but I hope there are some contrasting color options. Black with a yellow camera cover would be quite striking, for example.
Since the camera will obviously be the major selling point for the 1020, doing something to highlight it visually seems like a good idea.
At $602 that would be just $23 more than the 925 at t-mobile US. That would be worth it just for the extra RAM. Even if it turns out that the 602 figure is the wholesale cost to the retailer the retail price might compare quite well with the 925
I want this but I'll wait until it gets a Notification center and MS repairs the ZOMBIE "live" tile issue. I don't mean just icons on the screen either. My Lumia 920 will serve up great low light photos as it has been doing in the meantime.
Don't forget the 'other' storage problem.. :/
+100 "other" is the only reason I'm considering going to another platform:( noone likes resetting their phone, so wake up to yourself Belfiore and fix it!!!!
Exactly. So until then, I will be content reading your reviews of any new Lumia but holding off making any new purchases until MS delivers a notificiation center. I have time.
They're only ordering 25? Talk about under estimating. Also if this is $602 dollars. I'd hate to see the price of a higher spec phone. Wow...
$602 for the unsubsidized phone. It may be 99-199 on contract.
I think you could change the word "may" to "will," haha. I am certain that those are the only reasonable numbers for this phone on release day. I would look for a price drop in about a month, though.
How many people do you think even buy windows phones at a Microsoft store? I would buy mine from AT&T
Well don't.
Buy and support Microsoft Retail. Also, get their $99 insurance, it's damn worth it.
Looks like $199 on contract.
Can a Microsoft store employee verify if these stock prices are usually off contract prices? I can't imagine this being more than $199 on contract.
Although I am not a Microsoft employee, I am pretty positive that this is off contract.
Yeah, gotta be. Agreed.
Imagine it.
Thanks for the helpful comment. Go eat a mango.
LOL
If this was going to be a higher spec'd phone I would have bought it without a contract. Since it seems like it will be a 920 with better camera I will pass and wait.
Yea same here.. I'll probably keep my 920 until a 1080p quad-core Nokia is announced
And what exactly are you planning to do with all the pixel you won't be able to see?
720p on a 4.5inch display means a pixel density of 326dpi (same as Apple's retina display) and more than the eye can see (about 300dpi). Going above that is just a waste of computational power.
Maybe he wants a 1080p phablet :)
No we want now specs in our phones who cares if the eyes can't tell the difference our mind can 720p or 1080p what would you buy not knowing the higher spec right
I'd buy the cheaper one with less battery drain, and that's the 720p display. Not only my mind can tell the difference, but also my wallet.
I'm just saying that if this phone is simply a 920 variation packed with a better camera, then I'll probably save my money, keep my 920, and wait until there is a bigger jump in specs to make another purchase..
Dan will get pink.
Damn, this is what I was going to say!
Lol. My bet was on the yellow, but if they offer a pink wireless charging cover you may be on to something...
I'm simply wondering about the ignored Lumia that will launch along the EOS.. :/
One word - Awesome!
Does anyone know if they will have this phone subsidized on AT&T?
Most all phones on ATT are subsidized. I bet this will be around the 100-199$-(even possibly 249$) mark.
This will most likely be a $649 or even $699 phone. The $602 price looks like it would be how much the retailer pays for the unit.
That's what I was thinking too. $602 outright seems too cheap for this phone. I'd bet on $699.
Correct
Was coming down to say the same thing. This form doesn't look like it'd be the retail price, especially with that net amount column. That's their cost.
The 808 was $700 at launch.
It better be considering the 925 is $579 and still hasen't been released yet on T-Mo.
$602.00 Damn I'll stick with my 928 Lumia.
Off contract.
Ouch. By the time I'm due for an upgrade they'll be two high featured phones past this one, at least
I agree with you.
Why $602 and not $599?
That's also what I was wondering. It's an oddly specific number.
Maybe thats the store's bottomprice
Of course it is -- its the store's cost, not the price of the phone. Odds are the retail will be $699 or $749, minus the $350 ATT subsidy, so the final "to you" price will be $249-$299, with maybe fifty to a hundred bucks worth of negotiation range.
Announcement July 11th. Availability august itself means that's a great improvement.
I always felt if the device is not ready for sale in 2-3 weeks don't announce it.
There is no chance it is called 909. I would bet between 1000, 1020, and 940.
Reply to myself. Yes, it is 1020. Didn't finish reading.
No chance because YOU said it? If you think you're right, you'll be disappointed.
909 (or 929) makes way more sense than anything with 4 digits. This is NOT a new flagship, just another variation of the 920.
You are right that's why im keeping my 920 until the next flagship gdr3 release will bring the real 1020
+1
+1
Yeah, because I said that. Seriously. 1020 makes sense, why? 1. EOS is big deal, it has to be reflected, so that's the "10". 2. it is still one generation with 920. so that's the "20". At this moment, I am 99% sure it is 1020. If i am wrong, then they are no doing it right.
Any the by the way, you know what's next flagship? I bet it's 1040.
1. EOS is NOT a big deal, actually. It's just a new phone targeted at a very specific niche of the market which is the one the 808 was target at. The majority of people aren't looking at phones because of the number of pixels in their cameras. EOS is a big deal to that niche of market that cares about photography and to whom 8.7MP just ins't enough.
2. Also, EOS specs are exactly the same as the 920's, apart from the camera. Therefore there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to grant him the 4 digits.
If you look at Nokia's history with the Lumia brand, they only change those digits when there are considerable specs changed. The specs of the EOS are the same as the 920. Therefore there's no logical reason why they would upgrade this to the 1000 cathegory just because of a 41MP camera. If they wanted to do that, they would have done it with the 925 which, while being the same as the 920, represents a considerable change in aesthetics (and has the 6th lense). They didn't.
I actually have the feeling the next flagship will be a "940". I don't see Nokia returning to the 4 digit names for phones soon, specially since they have reversed that path on the Symbian long ago (therefore the N series etc). I can easily see the 940, 960 and 980 arriving before they jump to the 1000.
10xx doesn't mean a new generation it just means higher quality than 9xx. XX30 or X30 would mean a new generation.
First # is quality, second # is generation.
Except the EOS doesn't have higher quality in anything apart from the camera
You could almost say the same thing between the 820 and 920 though. The difference there is the screen and the floating camera lens (ok and maybe storage, but that's not a solid measure when you consider the 925...)
There is nothing "niche" about this device.
The only reason the 808 was is because it was too expensinve, and it didn't get any support from the us carriers.. so if you wanted one, you had to get it off contract.
There's World beyond the US.
The 999.9
My thoughts exactly. I would love to have a better camera in my phone, but I am not going to go through the hassle and cost of getting a new phone off-contract and selling my current phone simply for the sake of a camera... especially when there will likely be much better phones coming this fall with GDR3 and/or next winter with the WP8.1 launch.
When those GDR3/WP8.1 devices do start becoming available, then I would want it to have something along the following specs in order to convince me to upgrade:
-A 41MP Pureview camera. This is a must, and I think many were a little disappointed (though not surprised) that this was not part of the original 920 when the first rumors of a pureview camera were released.
-1080p display somewhere in the 4.7-5" range. The 4.7" HCT One screen feels a little small for 1080p but it does work, and 5" is the absolute largest I am willing to carry with me on a regular basis. So maybe something in the 4.8-4.9" range would be the sweet spot?
-A significantly faster duel core CPU. A quad would be neat from a marketing perspective, but Android devices seem to have proven that quad cores in phones are thermally limited to duel core performance anyways. So I will take a quad core if that is what is offered, but I would honestly prefer a faster duel core at this point as it would offer similar performance without the strain of a quad core on the battery.
-A better onboard GPU to help push the larger display
-64GB of internal storage, or 32GB internal with a removable storage option. I have managed to make 32GB work on my L920, but for a next gen device I do not want to leave half of my music collection and the bulk of my picture collection behind. If the camera is as good as advertised then I am going to take a lot of pictures and I would like to be able to keep a lot of them on my phone to show friends and family instead of having to whip out the laptop. 64GB is a little overkill for a phone, but at least it has room to grow when 32GB is already ~10Gb smaller than I would like it to be.
-Faster phone storage. I don't know why people do not complain more about this, but phone storage is painfully slow. I am not demanding full 500MB/s SSD performance, but phone storage (on any phone) could double in speed and still be considered slow. Current phones only read and write at ~10-20MB/s. It makes them slow to boot, slow to open apps, slow to transfer files, slow to let the CPU drop to idle, etc. My SD cards can manage 25MB/s and that is cheap removable storage, so surely demanding 50-100MB/s throughput on dedicated internal storage is not unreasonable. Faster storage can also mean we can have lighter compression, or even loss-less compression on 1080p video. The file sizes would be a bit bigger, but it would also eat less CPU/battery, which would be a fine compromise to make on a device which has a focus on such a quality camera unit.
-2GB DDR3 memory. WP runs fantastically smooth on 1GB of DDR2, but it is a limiting factor for things outside of the OS. DDR3 will use less power and allow more CPU idle time for better battery life (provided you are not giving the system more work to do with it's new found free time). Having 2GB of memory will also potentially (if the WP platform supports it) allow basic video editing on the phone, which would be a killer feature. Not crazy NLE desktop editing, but just the ability to crop bad footage from a clip, or to drop a sound track behind it, or to have simple titles and text overlays would be a nice feature. 2GB of system memory would also allow larger games to toombstone better when you get distracted by texts and email, rather than getting pushed out of memory which can cause you to loose progress on your game.
-802.11ac with options to have file management via wifi. If they can offer this then I would literally never plug my phone into anything except for headphones. This would be a very cool feature for future phones which last longer and are not replaced every year or two because USB can wear out with use, while wireless does not. However, if wifi is going to continue to just be for internet (and tap+send) functionality then they should not bother. 11.ac is still a bit expensive and offers little to no power savings. 11.n is faster than most of the internet connections out there, so if we are only talking internet then 11.ac is just a waste.
-USB3. This obviously goes hand in hand with faster storage, but when transferring files it would be nice to push things through faster than USB2 speeds of 20MB/s if we are going to have 64GB phones in the future. However, if they can get 11.ac networking for file management working then I they could drop the USB port entirely. I would not mind, and I am sure the engineers who design the phone would not mind either.
Let me be clear; If they don't make a phone like that this fall/winter then that is fine. I am merely saying that if Nokia wants to convince me to upgrade my phone before my contract is up then I would like to see this kind of device show up for the Christmas season. It seems that Nokia has been releasing products with much more granular upgrades over time rather than doing big generational leaps. Even moving from the 900 to the 920 was mostly an upgrade in the CPU with a little better camera, and that has probably been the largest leap they have taken in recent history (the jump from the 800 to 820 was not that big). This model of granular updates based upon carrier releases seems to be working for them though, so maybe they do not need to come out with devices that make big generational leaps like Samsung and Apple in order to do well. Granular upgrades make for slow steady income rather than the big feast and famine that Apple sales have at new phone launches, and steady income is exactly what Nokia needs these days.
A reminder - http://www.nokia.com/us-en/tradeup/
How do you consider it a variant of the 920? That's like calling all newer phones a variant of previous models
Please, read the specs we know on the Eos. You will see that the ONLY difference between it and the 920 is the camera. Everything else is exactly the same. Including the design. Therefore, it makes it a variant. Actually, if the 928 and 925 - whose designs are different - don't qualify as more than variants, EOS wouldn't either.
You are a smart dude you make the most sense and that's the same reason I won't get it same specs as 920,925 & 928 I think they would of made more money selling 925 across all carriers and save 41mp for 1080p resolution and 5 or 4.7/8inch screen.
925 is a beautiful phone if it was available across all carriers it would definitely double the sale or more of the 920.
DJCBS, you are talking about the specs that we all "know"? Last I checked, there has been no formal confirmation, but rather just guesses (albeit educated ones) of resolution, RAM, etc. Sounds like you are down on the phone to justify hanging onto your 920 for a while longer. I don't blame you for that whatsoever, but it's best for the OS that new technology is coming to windows phone. Don't just slam it because you are knee deep in a contract and want to maintain your phone's flagship status a little while longer.
Attention, I never said that I knew for sure the specs. I'm basing on what we know through leaks etc. All this can change, of course. But it's not expected to.
Oh don't worry. I've nothing against the EOS (but I hate the vulcano). I'm just point out based on what we "know". I'm not trying to hang to the 920. I would never switch it with an EOS anyway. I have no use for a 41MP camera. I would, at this point, only switch for a device equal in specs to the 920 but with the size of the L800. Unless that appears, I'm not switching just based on camera specs. So I don't see myself switching for another year at least (unless Nokia releases something truly amazing and Microsoft manages to bring WP to an acceptable leve of development that justifies it. And I am thinking about quad and eight-cores etc)
Yeah, me too.
i thin That the screen size on the lumina 800 is perfect and that OEMs are heading in the wrong direction by increasing screen sizes with every successive iteration of their devices.
I couldn't agree more. For me the 800 was the ideal size.
By the way, I'm in Europe. We don't really use contracts here. We buy the phones of the shelves at normal price. I can switch at any time 'cause I'm not bound to any carrier. My L800 lasted me little more than a year before I got the 920. ;)
There is a larger gap between the EOS and the 920 than there is one between the 520 and the 620, or the 620 and 720, or th 720 and the 820, or arguably between the 820 and the 920.
The only difference between the 920 and the 928 is the Xeon flash, which is very minor considering everything else is the same. It is not unconcivable that Nokia will have a cathegory, namely the 10XX series, for the photography enthusiasts. Pureview is a big deal but it is still in the same generation as the 920, hence the 1020 name makes a lot of sense.
I hope it's called Lumia 909, four digits feels too long for me.
929, it is. Just a vatiant of 920 with more megapixles.. If this IS the phablet from Nokia, it'll be 1020.
A phablet with that massive camera module? After the shitstorm from the tech press about the girth of the 920?! Yikes...
Okay well to everyone in this comment thread, evleaks said it would be called the Nokia 909, and I'm 100% positive that he knows a hell of a lot more about the phone than you. Even if he's eventually wrong, right now I'm taking his information over any "argument" you commenters are trying to use.
Too bad there won't be a cyan color.
Don't forget the 920 was going to have grey at announcement, cyan replaced gray due to popular demand.
gray is available in APAC for a long time since.
Gray is available in some countries.
I want Red.
That's surprising to me considering how long it took them to get yellow 920s out into the wild. Who's taking bets for how long until we get a cyan one?
I am.not getting another glossy phone. I currently have the yellow Lumia 920 and I hate the glossy feel so I use the official black matte case from Nokia which is great
To each his own. I love the glossy white on my L900 and us early Lumia adopters are about due for an upgrade :-)
This person said hates the glossy feeling which is right l,feels cheap.
You 900 owners were crying the blues when the 920 camout. Not crying anymore I see.
Indeed, love my stormtrooper 900 but think I'll head to the custard yellow this time round. Been waiting long enough for this :-)
Just don't expect it to look good with many theme colors. I regret getting blue over white now.
I prefer Nokia's glossy finish over the matte finish.
I have the matte cyan and have always felt like it'd fly out of my hands. The case helps but I've always felt the glossy would give me some grip.
It's the opposite really... I have the glossy red and have dropped mine more times than every other phone I've had combined. Never dropped my black 900.
Technically he is right. Glossy has more surface area and has better grip (if dry). matte has less surface area contact and thus less grip. I wish they'd make a matte white one, but people are too obsessed about it getting dirty.
I have a matt white Lumia and no it does not get dirty contrary to popular belief.
Some #000 steel wool will take care of the gloss.
Hahaha +1 (hope you understand what he is taking about )
Technically, you are wrong. Surface area INCREASES with the addition of texture. Think of matte as an extremely subtle sandpaper. The flat surface area is Area = Length x Width. Now add rough matterial to the surface. You increased the amount of gripable surface. However, a solid surface cannot utilize this grip and it will experience a decrease in surface area, but a human hand is not a solid surface and conforms to the texture thereby making more contact with more surface area.
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There is more grip with the glossy. Try holding a matte lumia up with just your four fingers on the back of the phone close to vertcial. It will slide off. Do it with a glossy lumia and it will stick. Try holding it horizontally on your four fingers and shaking your hand back and forth. The matte one will slide, the glossy will not.
Yes the texture gives more surface area technically, but it decreases the surface in contact with the fingers. On glossy, all of the surface area touches the hand, whereas on matte, only the areas that are raised will, decreasing the actual area the hand touches. The glossy finish also sticks more to hand oils, and does not suck them up like the matte does. Think about the squeaking noise your hand makes when you drag your hand along a glossy car finish, or a glossy counter, or glass. The glossy surface there makes your hand stick well. On the other hand, think about rubbing your hand along sandpaper, or a tree, or something else with a texture; it doesn't stick.
So in conclusion, while you would think matte would grip and gloss would slide, it's the opposite because oils in our hand make it stick. If you put a piece of clothe between your hand and the phone, both matte and glossy will slide. But on a bare hand, glossy is the one that stays in your hand better.
I did not say, in this particular instance, that the I creased surface area added more grip. I debunked his claim that gloss had MORE surface area when in fact it has less.
I did not explain, nor do I need to, the multiple considerations that affect grip, such as the material surface or the way it is held.
But it has more surface area *touching* the hand, so the technical amount of surface area has no impact on the argument. The argument that matte has more surface area was irrelevant because it does not have as much touching the hand, which is what impacts grip, and which is what the the original argument was about.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that there was no need to refute his argument, because the technical amount of surface area isn't what we're talking about, we're talking about the amount of surface area that touches the hand.
Apparently I was incorrect when I said I didn't see the need to explain the minutia of detail. Common sense isn't so common. HE used surface area as his argument, but HE was technically incorrect. The premise of his argument was false. A fallacy in a premise does not inherently mean that the conclusion is false. However, I still corrected his false premise about surface area.
Now, the human hand is soft and malleable. This means that it conforms to surface texture shapes better than a solid surface. You get grip on textures because your skin can conform to the shape and take advantage of the increased surface area provided by a texture.
Regardless of the other factors (oil on human skin for instance), his premise was invalid.
this is why wpcentral rocks. Deterioration of posts over a contentious issue did not go beyond a deterioration factor (DF) 1% . Whereas engadget would have redlined at DF of 80% by now.
Get the official Nokia Red case and TADA! Matte finish with more grip, now you can choose either at any time. That's what I have on my Red 920, case has a great fit too.
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