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Latest data claims over 75% of active Windows 10 Mobile devices are OS upgrades

Microsoft seems to have succeeded in getting a higher rate of current Windows 10 Mobile devices as updated 8.1 devices instead of new sales, at least according to this month's AdDuplex report.

Alternatively, only 22.82% of current Windows 10 Mobile Lumias are of the x50 series (Lumia 550, 650, 950, 950 XL), suggesting that people are not actively buying these phones either. That leaves 77.18% of all Windows 10 Lumias as in-situ upgrades from Windows Phone 8.1. Considering the Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL are priced quite high, and the Lumia 550 and Lumia 650 did not see widescale release, none of that should a shock.

While that bodes well for people clinging to their old hardware, it does nothing for Microsoft or the small handful of other Windows Phone manufacturers.

Windows 10 Mobile up 1.2%

In related news, the share of all Windows Phones running Windows 10 Mobile is up 1.2% over last month for a total of 10.4% of the Microsoft pie. That number, however, seems to have slowed slightly from previous months as the number of available phones who have not received the upgrade and the rate of new Windows Phone purchases both decrease.

The vast majority of existing Windows Phone – 78.8% - are still running Windows Phone 8.1. That number could substantially drop once people trade in their phone. Current market forces tell us those people likely won't be staying within the Microsoft ecosystem.

Insider versus non-Insider?

For the first time, we are also getting a first glimpse at the breakdown between Insiders builds and non-Insider "production" releases.

Looking at all current Windows 10 Mobile phones that are active and AdDuplex was able to discern that 14.41 percent of those devices are Insider status with 85.59 percent opting for production builds.

While the overall number of people running Windows 10 Mobile is small compared to iOS and Android, the number within the community running Insider builds (aka beta releases) is relatively high, likely reflecting the enthusiast user base that is left with a Windows Phone.

Around the World

AdDuplex also focused on a few countries in the report due to be published tomorrow. Here are the highlights.

US

No significant changes from last month with the Lumia 640 remaining the most popular with 27.8 percent representing all current Windows Phones.

The Lumia 635 is number two with 25.4 percent.

There is no mention of the Lumia 950 or Lumia 950 XL as their numbers are likely too small and are folded into the 23.3 percent of the "other" category.

France

The Lumia 635 (18.4%) is still number one, but the Lumia 640 (12.1%) is now the second most popular Windows Phone in that country.

The Lumia 930 and Lumia 925 have dropped off the top ten with no other high-end phones to replace them suggesting sharp declines in that country.

Germany

Perhaps the one fascinating country in the report is Germany. The Lumia 950 there is at 3.1 percent of all active Windows Phones and is close to cracking the top ten there. At least proportionally speaking that is the best we have seen yet for that phone, although the relative number of real users is unknown and likely small like the overall Windows Phone market share.

The number one spot is still held by the Lumia 630 (13%) with the Lumia 640 close behind in number two with 12.8 percent.

Poland

AdDuplex calls Poland one of the Lumia strongholds, but unfortunately that too is fading with the new Lumia 550 placing number 21 out of all Windows Phone and no other x50 models cracking the top ten.

Apparently, Microsoft and the Lumia brand have fallen out of favor in that country.

Like other regions, the Lumia 640 is number one (14.6%) with the Lumia 535 (14.5%) close behind.

India

Similar to Poland India is on a downward trend with the latest Lumia devices. AdDuplex notes that India is one of the first countries to have new Lumias crack the top ten, but not this time. The Lumia 550 is shockingly placed at number 27 making that phone a complete disaster concerning winning over entry-level consumers.

The Lumia 535 still holds the top spot with 22.4 percent with the ancient Lumia 520 holding 12.5 percent for second place.

Analysis

With Microsoft's mobile strategy being one of retrenchment the numbers here should not be too surprising.

The Lumia 650 is the last of the Lumias, and Microsoft is putting any new mobile hardware on hold until 2017 when the OS will be on stronger footing than it is today. In the meantime, we may see some new OEMs come on board, but nothing substantial until post-Windows 10 Anniversary Update later this summer.

While devices like the Lumia 550 and Lumia 650 have failed to resonate it is likely a reflection of low-cost Chinese Android devices eating up that once valuable market. Indeed, it is likely a smart move for Microsoft to get out of that market as competition there is going to be fierce when you consider all the corners some Chinese firms are cutting putting pressure on Samsung, LG, and HTC.

The one other interesting note is that Acer has already jumped to the number 6 spot next to BLU as a Windows Phone manufacturer. Acer's Jade Primo is only in select markets at this time, but their name recognition and mid-range specs seem to be making some impact suggesting big name OEMs may yet have a shot at winning some of the Windows Phone market now that Microsoft is pulling back.

The question is, of course, will other companies see value in investing in the ecosystem. That is something we likely won't see until later in the year. Later this summer, we will also see the launch of the Elite x3 "superphone" from HP. That device will be aimed at enterprise, but it will be interesting to see how well it resonates.

About AdDuplex

The numbers from AdDuplex are collected through their in-app advertising that is prevalent in over 5,000 apps in the Windows Phone Store. That data serve as an important metric within the Windows Phone ecosystem. The full AdDuplex report for May will be posted on their blog at https://blog.adduplex.com/ on Thursday (May 19).

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

121 Comments
  • There really aren't that many Windows 10 Mobile phones to buy and the few there are a so-so. Again...just opinion.
  • Not really an opinion, but rather established fact and a result of Microsoft canceling half of the x50 portfolio and not pushing the rest hard. That is retrenchment, that is holding back until another date. This trend will continue likely for the rest of the year although the Elite x3 may give a nice jolt.
  • Let's hope that the retrenchment doesn't have the opposite effect. In the meantime it'd have been nice if the HTC 10 had a Windows version as well, the name would fit perfectly with the OS version
  • "retrenchment" is corporate speak for digging a grave. Kind of like how "realignment" is corprorate speak for laying off half of your employees.  
  • I'm beginning to think you're right.
  • Well, digging a trench is halfway to a grave anyway :)
  • Maybe it will later, I mean how would they sell a phone with fingerprint sensor with an OS that doesn't support it? Maybe they waited for that, I'm just guessing.
  • What does that mean in the context of this story? https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/windows-phone/67235/no-more-lumias no more lumias :(
  • I said in January there were no more Lumias after the Lumia 650. Not news.
  • It means that, in usual fashion, people like to jump to unfounded conclusions. When Apple gave their latest press conference after announcing their earnings decline, not once did they say the words "we are working on the next iPhone and will release it shortly." And yet, not one media outlet started claiming that since Apple did not say they are working on the next iPhone, that means there will not be one. In fact, the opposite was done - the media made a bunch of excuses for the decline, and tried their best to reassure people that Apple sales will start going up, that Apple is developing new products that will excite people, and so on. OK, so Windows Phone sales are not good, especially in comparison to the iPhone. So let's look at the sales of PCs to iPads. I know, people will claim that it is not fair to compare those two - never stopped Steve Jobs and now Tiny Tim, from making the comparisons, so it is valid. PC sales down some, still sells 1/4 billion per year. The PC market is doomed. Give up the crown to Apple because the iPad has done what Steve/Timmy said it would, take over the PC. But it hasn't. In fact, iPad sales have been down YOY over and over again. Down 20% this last quarter, which was 2x the drop in PC sales. And yet, the Apple sycophant media will not give in, they invent stories about how the iPad Pro outsold Surface Pro. Apple did not say anything about being hard at work on the next iPad, but the media has already started telling us how the next one will be great, will turn the market around, and it is the end of the PC era because of the iPad. A number of sites are reporting that same thinking, that since Microsoft specifically did not say they are working on the next Lumia, that the entire thing has been shut down. The same will not be done towards products from other companies, even though they may be doing worse than WP is in their respective markets (if they were, we would be seeing articles about how Linux is dead, not it is the year of Linux, again). No it may not be called "Lumia," it will probably be called "Surface Phone" but claiming that the entire product is being canned because they do not detail the next version is jumping to conclusions.
  • Your comparison has no salt, especially when you bring the iPhone and iPad into it as a comparison. The iPhone is the #1 selling phone on the planet, despite its decline, and profits from that device are worth more than all of Microsoft. Of course there will be another iPhone model coming out, people don't have to say it or defend it. The situation with Windows phone is different, and cannot be compared because of its 1.7%(or lower) market share. There is a justifiable reason to believe that it would be cancelled. Same goes for the iPad, it still earns Apple billions of dollars a year regardless of the fact that fewer people are buying them.  No company would be expected to stop selling devices that earns them billions, that's why people know there will be new iPads and iPhones next year. On the other side of that coin, a line of devices that has caused nothing but huge losses for a company should be fully expected to be on the chopping block.
  • In addition to the monetary reasons, there is also Apple having been consistent in releasing new devices, especially iphones. You do not have to wonder about when the next one comes out since they release them yearly.
  • Has any other company done a similar retrenchment in the past and been successful upon its return to the market? Posted via my Moto X Pure Edition using the Windows Central App for Android
  • Well, Apple kind of did, with their computer business. Sort of. Microsoft is in a unique position though in that they will have an OS that us used on hundreds of millions PCs, that will also then run on their 4"+ devices that they release. I think that's how they will position themselves. I don't think there's a precedent for what Microsoft is trying to pull off. No idea if it will work.
  • Apple never had much market share in the computer business, though. If anything, it's higher now than ever. I can't think of any company, even one not in the tech sector, that was successfully able to gain market share of a product after all but ignoring it for a year. Posted via my Moto X Pure Edition using the Windows Central App for Android
  • With such a tiny market share now, Microsoft is effectively a fresh starter in the mobile business.  Almost all its market share have been eaten by iOS & Android since 2010 - what has been left is the OS.  This is so sad.
  • But they didn't ignore it for a year. They did release new high end hardware and low end hardware (both with great customization options, thanks to the MOZO deal) to tie us over till the next great thing (Surface Phone). The only negative thing (if you even call it that) they did was publicly state that smartphone wasn't their main focus this year. But they also stated they are fully committed to that 4inch form factor and are going to keep developing Windows 10 Mobile (which they actively do with pushing out new builds very often) and support current Lumia's and 3th party hardware as they have always done. They take this year to work in relative silence on Windows 10 Mobile to get it right, while offering the platform enthousiasts new hardware, but not pushing it mainstream, for now. But when they do release new hardware and Panos Panay gets on that stage and lets us know he's 'fully pumped' again you can be sure Microsoft is going to deliver something truly great and unique that wil blow every journalist (and platform enthusiasts) minds and the guys in Curpertino some sleepless nights (or some good laughs, at the product they will eventually coppy) ;-) Microsoft is very busy to work on greatness in the shadows, while the tech blogosphere is blinded by shiny stuff from Apple and Google (and that is a good thing) because when Microsoft does release their new products there wille be a huge wauw factor and hopefully 'a Phoenix Rising' (would that not be a great title for a Jason Ward analysis in 2017 ^^!)
  • Do you really think Windows 10 mobile is ever going to blow people's minds? If the Surface phone is running W10m then it will surely flop. Microsoft needs something truly revolutionary and market disrupting like the iPhone in 2007. Because they won't have anything like that, the Surface Phone will be killed before launch. No reason releasing it when market share is below .5% and there are no apps. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • They are not going to return to this market to produce phones. Surface phones would not have any substantial quantitties. Probably 1 or 2 phones so Daniel can have one. They are going to be OS developers and I don't see a retrenchment in a pace of W10M development. In fact W10M is developing faster then ever and we a getting features that were absent for years.  
  • Daniel, doesnt this corroborate my earlier statements and arguments with you about the fact that MS should have done more to get the old x20 handsets on board officially for W10 Mobile? 75% is staggering...
  • In greece if you want to buy a wp you can chooce between 6-7 phones now.950Xl-950-640-550-650. ...
  • Win10 phones are so-so, but they are still much better than the competition. Just shows how weak the devices from the competition are (especially from the fruit company), and explains the slowing sales.
  • So the Hp Elite will come in a few months and still we dont know the Price.I have a 640XL,its a very nice and fast phone,but i want to upgrade it with 950XL or the x3??
    We need some answers.
  • HP said it will be priced competitively with other high-end phones. Costs will actually be lower than expected since there is no advertising. The phone is mostly B2B with direct sales. Much of a phone's price is inflated by marketing costs. Since x3 doesn't go to carriers or retailers or ads, it keeps costs fair.
  • I realize that OEMs are waiting for Redstone. But it's discouraging to not see more come out and announce phones. Any news/rumors to expect more(a flood?) anytime soon? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • LOL "fair cost" hahaha, that HP X3 will be priced around 700 - 850USD because its a HP with high end HW and materials. It wont be cheap and If I would be a HP marketing specialist I would sell it as a 3 in 1 device just to push up the price
  • You're talking price. Daniel said costs will be lower, enabling price to be on par with other high end phones. Cost is what it costs to make. Price is what the customer pays. The delta is the profit margin.
  • Good thing you're not a marketing specialist @ hp
  • Sadly it was high-end 6 month ago now its midrange
  • Read somewhere it will be 500usd. Maybe she's born with it, maybe it's Lumia 950xl
  • For me, the price doesn't matter :D I WANT that phone :3 :D Posted with the Windows Central app for Windows 10 on Lumia 535
  • Ssssshhhhhhh! Plenty of us do care about the price :)
  • Yes I know. And I'm not that rich either. :D But I'm so crazily in love with that phone, that I'll find a way to get one somehow when it comes out :3 :D
  • Or wait for a mini surface(phone).
  • Is this surprising? Fans of the platform haven't seen sufficient reason, need or desire to upgrade (to the lack of flagships). Combine that with an absence of any marketing, you have users sticking with their devices, those who know/can upgrading and the others migrating to new devices on rival platforms?
  • That came across very negative - I'm not, on Windows10/Mobile, but think the upcoming flurry of devices, followed by the Surface Phone should help (at least HP and Acer will advertise). #Windows10Mobile #DoMore - Lumia 735 and (free) #LumiaTrial 950XL
  • Lol my l929 is on mw10 but since the drop of aow ive lost interest in it as a primary device(or secondary for that matter as battery is taking a beating) & moved back to my sgh-t899m
  • "Is this surprising?"
    Pretty sure I say specifically a few times it is not surprising ;)
  • Not disagreeing - just not looking forward to my "Windows 10" newsfeed, as the Tech Press now have yet more muck to throw and headlines to write spelling out the "Death of Windows Mobile" (snore snore) #Windows10Mobile #DoMore - Lumia 735 and (free) #LumiaTrial 950XL
  • I don't think it's surprising, and nothing new.. I'm sure that over 75% of desktops running 10 are because of updates to older equipment. RoJo Arlington, TX Waiting for 6.2" Surface Phone Pro
  • The upgrade process to Windows 10 Mobile is also a bottleneck for this slow Windows 10 Mobile adoption. Some people may not know that they have to download an app to get the update.
  • My younger brother is an IT engineer and he doesn't believe that he needs to download an app to upgrade while PC is constantly spamming the upgrade.
    It's not so much "Universal" is it?
  • There is no app store for W7. If there was, then he would have a better point.
  • Microsoft will soon eliminate that app once they are confident about w10m
  • I don't thinks Microsoft really want ordinary customers, non-tech savvy people, to upgrade. The process would be a nightmare for most of the general public with all the hard resets etc.. to get them to run smoothly.. It would put more people off for ever than do good.... Once they get rid of the upgrade app we will know that Microsoft themselves has confidence in the platform...
  • Interesting to see that 80% are still on WP 8.1
  • Before 2 days a girl from my university said that was something with her phone and if i want to check it.So i fix the problem with the sim card and i saw that was a windows phone with windows 8 not even 8.1. ... ...
  • Tell her that an os update is available and ask her if she wants it. If she says no just leave it, if she says yes go ahead. :) I've been doing that to many WP users I know and it makes me feel like I'm keeping people with the times without being annoying or intrusive about it
  • I upgrade it to 8.1. But the phone its the 525 if i remember correct so i didnt try to upgrade to w10 through insider. ...
  • WP8 used to have functional People Hub.
  • Can anyone tell me if Spoken Caller id is available somewhere in windows 10?  I'd upgrade my 830 to 10, but i really like that option, i work with my hands for a living and it's nice to hear it read the name or number out loud so i know how important it is to reach for my phone.  I have a 640 i have windows 10 on and can't find it.  
  • It is there ... go and find it! ;-)
  • You can, with a registry hack!
  • I'm still waiting on the official w10 update on my at&t Lumia 830 to be released.
  • At&t is terrible with upgrades
  • At&t is terrible period. After 15 years with then I jumped to T-Mobile. No more subsidized/on contract WP flagships means no more reason to stay. T-Mobiles' coverage for me so far has been adequate.
  • I would buy a Lumia 950/950 XL but they seem a little expensive. $400/$500 and I would be willing to buy one.
  • Swappa.com you're welcome Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That's also the going rate on ebay.
  • This was such a given its not even funny. I don't even know why you guys wrote the article. The 650 isn't really out yet, the 550 is also non-existant in most markets, and the 950 and xl has such low sales that OF COURSE the majority of WIN10M devices are upgrades....
  • I thought the Insider numbers were neat as well as trends in other countries.
  • None of the new W10 devices are particularly appealing and all are overpriced compared to the competition and even their predecessors. Them not selling is no surprise for those reasons alone but nice to see the new buzzword again on display.....
  • I bought the 640 for my mother for 50$ and the new 650 has 200$.I will not say anything more my friend. ...
  • Walmart is selling 640 Att GoPhones for $22
  • Unlocked?
  • U just request an unlock code via email from the Att site before u put in the sim card & I always get a response within a few days
  • I'm pretty sure the price is only for in-store purchases though
  • Im from Greece so i will have any problem if i will buy it and just put another sim card? ...
  • U'll have to compare Att's Bands to those of the carrier u want to use. Plus the US has different LTE frequencies than everybody else. One of the only downsides to buying Chinese phones for use in the US
  • 950xl at 389€ in Italy, id's say cheap for a flagship!
  • Unlock right? ...
  • Unlock right? ...
  • Isn't every phone in the EU unlocked by now?!
  • I would have loved to buy a Lumia 650..but its very expensive compared to what it offers.
  • Buy a 640 instead, it runs W10M better than the 650 and it's cheaper. I picked up a 640XL for less than $100 Canadian and side by side comparison to my friends 650 just runs better.
  • It would be interesting to see how many people are on the fast, slow and release preview ring.
  • for pc or mobile? Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • For both. But especially for mobile. Posted with the Windows Central app for Windows 10 on Lumia 535
  • I just bought a 950xl for the new camera and since i hate nokia brand on my old 1520
  • I found a new Lumia 950 on amazon and am very tempted to buy. I currently have a alcatel one xl fierce windows. I also have only owned android in the past( came from Samsung and lg.)
    I'm nervous on getting it, for the reasons of, a better one coming out soon and just the Os not getting the support Microsoft promised.
  • if your that nervous then don't buy the 950 it does have better specs than the alcaltel Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • Only reason is because of the newer phones coming out. The 808 and 810 were bad chipsets.
  • I've heard the 808\810 mantra before. But as much a beating as the 950\XL have gotten, I don't think the chipset has been even a tiny part of the complaints. In fact, the 950\XL might be the best implementation of those chipsets by any manufacturer.
  • Mine was mostly battery life. I am coming from sd 808 in a lg g4 and that thing sucked on battery life. The nexus 6p has the same issue. When I used a sd820, it just felt so much better.
    On amazon, I can get a Lumia 950 new for 375. That's a good deal I think, but like I said I'm nervous. I really enjoy the windows experience, mostly better than android is areas. There are a few where android will do things better.
  • Makes sense. Sales of current Windows 10 Mobile devices are practically non existant.
  • I imagine most people would rather jump ship than to have to deal with w10m
  • Many people has old devices and the os doesnt run very well so they dont upgrade their phones and after some years they just leave the ship ...I dont think many 640-640Xl users( i have 1 640 and 1 640 Xl )have any big problem with w10m ...
  • The latest Fast ring builds run pretty smooth on my 640
  • Most people do not even upgrade. Let alone know what W10M is. More people would jump android ship when they would know about W10M. Think about it. Most people don't have a clue about mobile Oses.
  • Sure and they should too... =P Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10 on my Lumia 950!
    Step off, haters! U-U
  • The slow march into obscurity nears the end  
  • I understand the retrenching that Windows elected while they polish up the operating system. Nevertheless, they should have made 2 decent phones in the range between the 640 and the newer 950 with a decent camera and 16 GB of internal space with expandable room running on W10 for a good price- not the 550 and 650. These phones aren't good enough to be 'place holders' while the better stuff comes out. I'm worried that many people will abandon the platform because they don't want to wait out the retrenchment period. Also, the 950 and 950XL are way over priced. MSFT can entice people to dump their Lumias running 8.1 for W10 by lowering the prices. Developers want to see W10 numbers increase. What better way than to lower the 950 price?
  • Same thought too, Lumia's and Windows Phones launched in 2016 are of 2 categories budget/starter and high end/flagship.  There are no mid-range devices with Snapdragon 650 which is far superior than Lumia's 650 Snapdragon 212.  I was going to get a Lumia 650 but it is priced like a midrange phone where I live, so instead I purchased a Sony Xperia M4 Aqua at same price, while I got much more features the Lumia 650 doesn't have like Snapdragon 615, 2GB RAM, Exmor RS camera with HDR optical image stabilization, IP68 waterproof/dusproof, Compass sensor, ANT+, face authentication and voice authentication.  As much as I dislike Google and like Microsoft, I had to go Android this year, I disabled all Google services and I'm very happy now.
  • Don't wait, Microsoft is everywhere... They'll make do, they always have. =P Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10 on my Lumia 950!
    Step off, haters! U-U
  • If you are a Samsung ATIV SE owner, we will never see Win 10!
  • Not even Insider? I think a buddy of mine installed to his... ;) Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10 on my Lumia 950!
    Step off, haters! U-U
  • Doing my best, I'm close to converting my gf to the 950.
  • You're such a mean person! You may really really hate your girlfriend to do that. I did that in the past... I got divorced.
  • lol
    My internet sucked. Seriously.
  • Are you trying to get her to dump you?
  • I hope that due to the upcoming finger print sensor support, that we can see a possible rom option for htc 10 or mi 5. I'd love a galaxy s7 but that's probably not gonna happen. I know I'm probably in the slim minority. But if I could have flagship specs but with a samsung focus sized phone (windows 10 of course) i'd be happy as a clam. I know I'm a crazy dreamer though.
  • Does anyone have an idea how much is these 10.4% in real number of the devices running W10M???
  • It may be hard to read the data correctly, e.g I have 950xl and I don't remember using an app with advertisement - could it be that Windows 10 have more good default apps? Things like that can affect numbers a lot. Also I am not as septic, according to the latest netmarketshare.com data the Windows mobile together had in April the biggest market share in last two years.
  • Now we know how the Chrome Book fans feel :(
  • The Truth :
    Retrenchment for this year to give room to the OEMs like Alcatel OneTouch, NuAns, HP, etc.
  • What's important now is Microsoft needs to get their pricing strategy right. Since W10M doesn't really appeal to majority of general consumer, MS cannot hope that pricing their low-end phone at a mid range android price to work. Seriously. A Lumia 650 in my country cost $220, for a sd212 processor?
  • I'm thinking of buying Xiaomi Mi 4 @ 168$ then flashing to Win10M. What do you guys think?
  • I love lumia 535.. Current windows budget phone are of no use I.e lumia 550 and lumia 650 .. They are like windows vista.. Which look beautiful. But worst performance.. I also love lumia 540 followed by lumia 640 and 640 xl... One thing I need to add.. Well people don't trust Microsoft especially in phone devision.. They need to upgrade their hardware, because of windows 10 high requirements.. No body want high end phone if it do not had app.. So lumia 950 phone sells will defiantly decline. One more thing Microsoft did not notice, that they are launching business phones,the phone which are not able to run the games properly..........WELL their are children IN home who play game in their dad phone.. Especially in India.. So why people will invest their money in lumia 550and 650.... And please bring clash of clan whether from IOS BRIDGE OR ANDROID BRIDGE.. FORGET ABOUT YOUR ECO SYSTEM.. SEE WHAT ARE THE MOST POPULAR GAME.. JUST BRING THEM IN WINDOWS PHONE.. WHAT EVER BRIDGE YOU USE.. ONE OF MY FRIEND IS SELLING HIS PHONE BECAUSE CLASH OF CLAN IS NOT IN WINDOWS PHONE.. PLUS ONE BACK STRIP COMES AT BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN IN WINDOWS 10.. AFTER GIVING SOOOO... MUCH TIME.. THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO FIX THAT THING(BLACK STRIP).. WHY PEOPLE WILL PURCHASE WINDOWS 10 PHONE, IF SUCH HORRIBLE FEELING WAS THEIR WITH OLD WINDOWS 10 PHONE.. 1ST FIX ALL THE THINGS OF OLD WINDOWS PHONE.. AND GET CUSTOMER confidence...... THIS IS THE ONLY HOPE MICROSOFT HAD.. IF MICROSOFT THINK THEY WILL SUCCEED WITH SURFACE PHONE.. TAKE THE RISK AND LAUNCH SURFACE PHABLET..... . RESULT WILL BE SAME. FLOP..... BECAUSE OF HIGH PRICE.... MICROSOFT CHANGE THEIR POLICY LIKE PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR CLOTHES FOR EXAMPLES I HAD PURCHASE LUMIA 535 BECAUSE OF BRIDGE OF ANDROID APP... THEY KILL THAT PROJECT.. THEY CHANGE ONE DRIVE policy AND REDUCE THE STORAGE SIZE FROM 125GB TO 5GB ETC.. WHY DO PEOPLE TRUST MICROSOFT???.. ..ONE MORE THING android APP WILL NOT RUN SMOOTHLY IN 1GB RAM.. THEY NEED TO upgrade THEIR RAM IN PHONE.. LAUNCH OF lumia 650 IS BLUFFING WITH THEIR CUSTOMER.. ALL THE TRUST THAT NOKIA HAD BUILD HAD GONE..HOPE NEW NOKIA PHONE WILL DO SOME MAGIC.. eagerly WAITING TO SEE NEW NOKIA PHONE....... ,......AND SURFACE PHABLET.. NOOOOOOO.... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • One could reasonably conclude that retrenchment is the current strategy, but I sure hope MS knows it's digging itself quite a hole. It's getting to the point where something miraculous has to happen if anyone is going to pay any attention to MS mobile. Right now, I'm in Poland and the Czech Republic. While people love the pics from my 950xl, they're nonetheless incredulous, like in the USA, if you suggest giving MS a look.
  • Still waiting for the update on the Acer M220 Plus
  • wew still using my L1520. I'm so satisfied with the latest update for slow ring insider. The connection on my phone is faster than my laptop.
  • usability, and some of the benefits are enjoyed by certain countries while others are left out, some of the features have been removed i wish MS would make a survey in the streets NOT on internet hear what those users on the street have to say about WP. They must reach out to as  many countries as they can. surveys on internet only reach out to a certain group/type of users. some don't bother themselves to complain, they would just buy another brand. Each country has its own needs mostly caused by the cost of bandwitdth.
  • In other words: Microsoft was unable to sell Windows 10 Mobile devices. No wonder they ended up doing a firesale to get rid of 950 stock.  It's hard to sell a device when the people in charge aren't happy with it themselves, so none of this is surprising. Hopefully Panos and his team can create a device that Microsoft execs will love and want to push hard
  • I wonder if the higher level of sales for the L 950/xl series in Germany is something to do with the often better press it got there compared to the English language tech/review sites. One of the biggest/most trusted review sites in Germany, which seems totally professional and un-biased, where I always look for reviews actually, has had the 950XL high in their top ten smartphones list ever since they reviewed it in January. They mentioned about the OS just being out of beta etc.. but with their most thorough testing, recommend it as one of the very best as a piece of high end hardware. It's Microsoft's own fault and poor judgement to release a fine piece of hardware, but unexciting aesthetically, with such an unfinished OS. I can't believe they didn't know it would be completely fried by nearly all the English language press on both sides of the Atlantic/Pacific, and further tarnish the reputation of windows phone/mobile. Shot themselves in the foot really due to poor management and customer relations. Shame... Even though they are going through retrenchment etc.., understandably and correctly from a pure business point of view, I feel they should have handled the whole process in a far more long term customer friendly way. I love Microsoft and all my windows hardware but I think they need to learn the art of customer relations instead of coming over as arrogant. The methods they have used to force W10 adoption on PC is a sure way to alienate swathes of the general public. Pushing people like that just because there is not much alternative is a stupid way to market yourself in the long term...
  • 920 has 3% and they don't include it to the list of phones that can get win10 updates.
  • It sucks to wait for OEMs to join W10M though, if they ever would
  • Microsoft already proved to the OEMs that Windows phones don't sell. You notice the only manufacturers making Windows phone are also Windows GPC manufacturers. You know Microsoft had to make deals for them to make Windows phones. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Windows Phone is dead, and that's just the truth of the matter. But don't worry, I'm sure Jason Ward will be along soon with a windbag article screaming "Retrenchment!" "Just wait!" "Innovation...eventually!"
  • Maybe things change after redstone
  • hardly a suprise, since there were literly only 3-4 device released with Win 10 M
  • I've upgraded to it numerous times on numerous phones since release, and I always go back to 8.1. Windows 10 Mobile SUCKS.