Rumor - Leaked details of Windows Phone 7.8 shows little new features. But WP8 may get IntoNow alternative.
Windows Phone 7.8 will share the same Start screen as Windows Phone 8 but little else
Although Windows Phone 7.8 is months from release, speculation as to what the update may or may not contain has been a hot topic for current Windows Phone users (see our editorial on the subject here).
The site WP7Forum.ru have a mixed reputation when coming to leaks and rumors, so like anything we should take this latest release with a grain of salt.
The data itself contains the supposed feature set of Windows Phone 7.8 and it is what many of us have come to expect—mostly the same with a few new apps. For instance, Skype is still “only an app” so no new system wide integration should be expected. That’s a technical issue and we’re 99% sure the new NT kernel is needed for those advanced VOIP features to keep it “on” all the time without killing your battery.
For the browser, IE9 will remain on Windows Phone 7.8 while WP8 of course gets the shiny new IE10. Everything else, as far as we can tell, stays the same for Windows Phone 7.8 users if this list is to be believed. Interestingly, users can expect DataSmart to come to Windows Phone 7.8 as an app. DataSmart is Microsoft's answer for keeping track of your data so as to not go over your allocated plan.
Rumored feature set of Windows Phone 7.8 vs Windows Phone 8
Of curious note, Bing Audio is evidently getting TV support on Windows Phone 8. What does that mean? It sounds a lot like Microsoft has a native solution to IntoNow.
The service IntoNow is a lot like Shazam or SoundHound, it takes an audio sample and IDs the content but instead of music, IntoNow works for TV shows. It then allows you to share that info via social networks so the world knows exactly what you're watching. So far, we have nothing similar on Windows Phone as IntoNow is a small startup and WP is not on their radar. If this info is accurate, it looks like Microsoft may have built this into Windows Phone directly. That’s pretty great of consumers who don’t want to sign up for “yet another service”.
Even though this info may be accurate, due to its source we’ll still treat it as rumor until Microsoft tells us otherwise.
Update: See our in-depth follow up article to the Bing Audio + TV feature
Source: WP7Forum.ru; via WMPU
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Daniel Rubino is the Editor-in-chief of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft since 2007 when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, laptops, next-gen computing, and for some reason, watches. Before all this tech stuff, he worked on a Ph.D. in linguistics, watched people sleep (for medical purposes!), and ran the projectors at movie theaters because it was fun.
or at least real background gps services as this is what I would need multitasking for :/
c'mon, whats the problem with allowing gps based background services more frequently updates than that useless 30 mins right now?
Gotta go, just saw a unicorn.
Whats the difference battery-wise between a gps app running under the lockscreen right now keeping gps sensors live non-stop to allowing the background task doing the exact same?
True, the API has to be changed, but it shouldnt be that big of a deal to build 2 groups of background tasks - classic ones, and gps ones, with updates every few seconds. That way the change would affect only MS, not the developers. Apps would still just record what the background task hands over.
They really should consider implementing battery consuming features as well and just let the user know they might end up with huge consumption. Better than nothing.
Skype Integration - would be nice but not essential
Voice Commands - still a gimmick in my opinion
DataSmart - would be nice for integration but as long as it has a livetile i'd be fine with that
Bing Audio - not really bothered about this as i have soundhound and spotify so not a dealbreaker for me
RCS-e - just read about this just now and damn that would be nice to have that integration on my Lumia!!
Cloud - Depends on what's being synced however it would be nice to have full integration etc
Updated Start screen - thank god, nice looking start screen goes a long way!
OTA updates - never had them hear in the UK so not a deal breaker for me
Visual Voicemail - again getting UK providers to activate them isn't a dealbreaker, nor have i seen any Visual Voicemail demo'd on WP devices available in the UK Again, out of all the additions Windows Phone 8 will offers, the exclusion of IE10 is an utter bummer - sounds like i'm complaining however i am totally delighted with my Lumia 900 otherwise! But i suppose that's the price consumers pay when the mobile industry moves as fast as it does
I'd like some customization/ colours/ tiles which we are getting in 8.
Ability to change more "sounds". Separate voluem for music / calls etc (I think thats coming).
Proper background tasks for apps like Navigation is great.
Other than that its already awesome. Love it.
Did you not read the news before you went out and bought the Lumia?
Apparently, you and the handful of other charlies were the only people not to know an update was coming and existing devices were unlikely to get it. I got a Lumia 710 instead of a 800 or 900 as I knew they wouldn't be upgraded to Apollo.
Your device will get updated to 7.8 with some nice new features. Then when your contract runs out you can get a version 8 device. You don't _have_ to have it right this second. Your current phone will still make calls, send texts, browse the web etc. Seriously, we are tired of people like you ranting in every comments section. You bought a phone, phones get updated. Get over it.
mind you, I remain VERY DISSAPOINTED that MSoft hasn't provided any kind of backup solution - one of the few totally Bush league screw ups they've made for no reason :-(
Can somebody explain this to me, non-facetiously?
Why *couldn't* the 7.8 "update" include IE10? It's not dependent on NFC or a dual core CPU, so that goofy excuse is out the window.
So, anyone care to field that one?
The lack of IE10 and most of the new stuff comes to me as no surprise. Native code between the CE and NT kernel are very different. There are all sorts of calls when dealing with the native code that need to be rewritten - even back-filled on CE.
Obviously MS is focused on providing a top notch WP8 experience (for which I don't blame them). Same with most of the software focused on their push forward. WP7 was a beta test of a new idea/scheme - and it worked extremely well. The infrastructure of CE was holding it back - and that's where WP8 comes in - same/similar expeirence - new core.
Try writing if the simplest of GUI apps in C/C++ using the CE SDK and Win32 SDK - completely different (with some similarities). I'm sure this is driving their decisions. There's a reason why we don't have a native SDK for WP7 (because it would have probably been a mess - and probably completely different from the 'future' WP8 they knew would be coming).
Isn't this what Microsoft has been saying from annoncement and all along ? (Sorry Dan, it's also the reason why I made the comment of "false hope" in that other thread)
I do hope current devices extra features that have not been annouced but, anyone saying more is just wishing on a star. Microsoft is pretty good when they say something about keeping it and to make a public statement like that, I am pretty sure thats what you'll get. If you get anything else it will be via an App.
If your counting on extras, just plan on buying a WP8 device when they are released.
I've been very disappointed by the Lumia 900. I bought this phone to start looking into development - which while been rather easy to get started - I was disappointed with since several of my libraries written for .NET that I wanted to use as a base needed to be rewritten since the TcpSocket wrapper (for example - certainly not the only one) class doesn't exist is the WP7 SDK - nothing unsurmountable - but needing to retest rock solid libraries for a different platform when I'm doing this in my free time sucks. Couple that with a very limited feature set for background tasks (while they do work, there is a serious limit to what can be accomplished). Tombstoning sucks butt too - designing a class/interface to be serialized is fine - but you have to be very careful in everything you do. Lack of any intraprocess communication or registering with native functionality is a kill joy too.
I wanted a device I could move forward to Windows Phone 8 too. Obviously the Lumia 900 is a pretty face - but quickly becoming an all too obvious stopgap for Nokia. It needed to come out when the 800 did in Europe. The rhetoric they've been spewing about single cores will go out the window when the new 1.7GHz dual core S4 Lumia 1000 or whatever comes out. They're desparately trying to sell these things in the mean time. Hey it's a great phone (best signal ever), but let's be honest: They'll release 7.8, thow customers maybe a couple more bones in app exclusives and move on. Everyone will - WP8 will bring so much more capability to WP platform. We as Lumia 900 owners will have to watch on as Microsoft, developers, and even Nokia move to bigger better things - less than a few months after release. At least with Android older devices generally can run the latest apps - that's definitely not going to be the case with most next gen WP apps.
For those holding out hope for WP8 hacked on the Lumia - I doubt it. Embedded devices usually have boot sequences for Linux or CE. My guess is that WP8 is a totally new type, maybe with EFI underpinnings - so unless someone goes crazy and writes some sort of pre-boot EFI emulator we're stuck.
So I'm not trying to be all gloom and doom - but I'm rocking a Galaxy Nexus with Jelly Bean at the moment... yeah $350 for dual core, NFC, 720p display, $10 market credit and garunteed software updates over my Nokia... Sorry guys I'm gone. I might be back once my contract rolls around again for WP8. WP does so many things right - and I really thing Windows 8 + surface + WP8 is the future.
A big thanks to Nokia & MS for allowing me to beta test their beta phone (at least I have the hardware to sell and the phone was basically free). I have no hard feels here - as I'm breaking even. A big plus to Google for doing great hardware at a great price w/o contract.
I'm not saying we're not complaining about first world problems here, but there is a price for our 'cheap' smartphones. In fact if you want a phone off contract, generally the price is higher than realistic. Case in point - $700 for a Verizon Galaxy Nexus?? $600 for a Titan 2? I'm sure your secondary market has better prices than the list prices you quoted.