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SmartThings is killing its Windows Phone app

SmartThings has taken to its blog to outline its plans for 2017, and things aren't look good if you're a Windows Phone user. The company says that, as of April 1, it will retire its Windows Phone app because it can no longer "provide the desired level of updates and support" for the platform.

From SmartThings:

Version 1.7.0 now offers support for Windows 10 features. Barring unforeseen issues, this version will continue to function (with Windows Phone 10 Anniversary update). On April 1, 2017 version 1.7.0 will be removed from the Windows app store, and it will no longer be possible to download it and install it onto a new device. We will continue to offer technical support through June 2017 for existing users.

That's sure to be a big blow to anyone who takes advantage of the SmartThings app to manage their connected devices at home. Hopefully the latest version of the app continues to hold up, but losing access to the app download after April 1 will make things tough if you find yourself needing to reset your phone or otherwise lose access to the app.

Curiously, SmartThings had promised monthly app updates for its Windows Phone app less than a year ago, so it's a bit surprising to see support dropped already. Do you use the SmartThings app? Let us know in the comments how you're planning to deal with this move!

Thanks to anseld1986 for the tip!

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351 Comments
  • Crap. This sucks because I have everything through them and built it around the fact that they said they were sticking with us.
  • same here, I bought into this hardware option over others because of their windows support. the app was never useful on windows, and I think i'm just gonna unload this crap and find something else. :/
  • I did find one that was fully browser based and ran off a PC. It could do Z-Wave and ZigBee. It just couldn't do presence detection but I might have to find it again. They did have a really nice rules engine.
  • Go take a look at Home assistant. Its open source, works though edge and is run off an in house server. I run it off of a Raspberry pi 3, They support a TON of different items as well. I am using a combination of Lifx bulbs and wemo switches for my setup. It takes a bit to get up and running, but once its going its very very stable.
  • YES! That' the one I was thinking about. Thank you!
  • Ok. NVM This isn't the one but it gives me another on my list.
  • I am very interested on your set up. Can you please give us some more info? One of the reasons I stayed off so far was thge price (being able to use a Raspberry Pi as a server brings cost down) and what others devices have you bought? Is there a win phone app? Or you access it via a browser?
  • you access it through the web browser. I have it running on a rp3 with the HASSbian OS that they have on the site. they update every two weeks to add more stuff. Right now I have 4 Lifx bulbs, Two Wemo wall wart switches, and two in wall switches. I do have much more planned, but budget is stopping me at the moment lol. the website is home-assistant.io Great community of support. ohh and I have two older windows tablets on the wall as control panels.
  • I should add, if you buy the switches ect. brand new you will need a way to a way to onboard them to your network. I have a very cheap android device which has a sole purpose of onboarding the devices onto my wifi network and updating firmware on the devices. After they are setup through the manuf. app the phone goes into a drawer until it is need again. For the Lifx bulbs, they do have a windows phone app. It has problem onboarding "claiming" bulbs and its a pain in the rear to get them up and running, but the app is a UWP.
  • I have not seen the webos seal for a long time. Jumped from my Palm Pre Plus to a Samsung Focus when webos went belly up.
  • I went with Vera and they are still supporting Windows. Hopefully, they'll continue with it.
  • Connected devices and AI are going to continue to grow. Do yourself a favor and don't constrain yourself to only devices/services that support Windows, because that will initially limit what you can buy and later disappoint you anyway. You're better off just accepting that you may need at least one Android/iOS device in the house to take advantage of all the new technology to come. Folks, not trying to be a pessimist. Love Windows, recommend you still continue to use it. Just saying you also need a device with a popular OS to manage all the current connected devices. No point in shooting yourself in the foot.
  • I have multiple Android and iOS devices as well as several other desktop OSes I use so that's not an issue. Trust me. I get annoyed with all of them as some point but by far Windows Mobile to me seems to have their act together the most in OS operations.  And yes I've tried literally every launcher and assistant available to Android as well as trying to cobble together elements to make a more useful Android phone and never was able to make it as useful. It doesn't stop me from trying. I'm more frustrated because if Windows Mobile doesn't pan out I feel like I will be going backwards and I'm saying this while typing it on my iPhone which I have been forcing myself to use for two years and still can't get myself to like enough. 
  • You make a valid point. I'm a huge Windows Mobile fan. Even more so, with the current builds. However, I came to this realization, when I started doing Uber. They have a rider app, but will not make a partner app for Windows 10. Unfortunately, I had to buy a cheap Android phone, just to use the app. Even after using this phone for several months, I'm not wowed by it. The only good thing I can really say about it is, there's an app for everything. At the end of the day,that's what most people want. I still enjoy Windows Mobile, because it's different and works well for me. I had to buy a 950 XL, when my 1520 became intolerable, because of hardware issues that started to plague it. My point is, I will ride it out until my current phone dies or it just becomes necessary to switch to something else. Fortunately, I'm not affected by the apps that have abandoned windows mobile, as of yet.
  • And you said it yourself * a cheap android *! Anyways you gotta be exceptional cause the rest of the world are wowed! So tell me what are issues that put you off?
  • But how many of that "rest of the world" who are wowed have actually picked up a windows 10 mobile device and compared it to their android device? Next to none... They're missing out!! 😉
  • Missing out? No they're not. I've gone from my Icon to a Galaxy S7 and couldn't be happier. I still think W10m is a good os, the problem is that devs don't. I wasn't missing any apps, but my gosh, when new apps only come out for Android and iOS, there's a point to which you simply realize it isn't changing.
  • Yes, nothing wrong with the o/s, the developers' hate Windows Mobile. Loads of apps are getting pulled on a daily basis or not updating them. So sad.
  • What do you expect when Microsoft decided to orphan 80 percent of their already small smartphone user base yet again? It's not only the users who have suffered through this numerous times, the developers have as well.
  • AHHHH NO. They are NOT missing out at this point. You are missing out not going to IOS or Android at this point. having ANY app, that's always updated and runs great, is awesome. I was a tambourine beater for windows mobile (until the screwed me with the windows 10 on 1020 fiasco), I moved to the iPhone 6s and its much much better than any windows 10 phone. it's faster, smoother, has EVERY APP available and has better battery life. I do miss the w10 interface, but since Nadella wanted all MS apps on his iPhone, I got everything on mine!
  • It might have apps, but it has the most horrible and stale environment since... I don't know... Ever? It's just a bunch of shortcuts on your desktop. Nah, I prefer Windows in any way.
  • Do people spend that much time just looking at their home screen?
  • I live off my home screen. Having Live tiles is a huge advantage over most anything. Still can't find widgets that work consitantly (other than pandora, but that's just unnecessary)
  • Because live tiles work very consistently, right?
  • About a year ago I would have said no but now they do.
  • Wait a year. I have the iPhone 6 and it's so slow now my 1520 blows it away. And my old iPad 3 is so slow even after a factory reset my daughter gets annoyed with it unless she just watches YouTube.
  • yeah, I'm sure. it's not an android phone. my mother in law has an iPhone 4 I used to own and its still just as fast as it was new. My ipad 2 my son now has is just as fast as it was new.....I call BS on your comment CR_BUCK.
  • I'm not an iPhone user, but I've never heard anyone say that their iPhone has gotten slower.
  • Working in IT and supporting them I hear that all the time. There are a lot of theories such as hardware degradation but none of my Windows Phones have done this even with lesser hardware. My theory is it is the OS upgrades more and if you don't upgrade there is a point you can no longer install apps.
  • It's not that I have issues with it, per say. I'm just not wowed by it. I just prefer Windows Mobile, as of right now. I'm just stating where I am with things. As much as I love my phone, I'm not blind to how things are changing. Therefore, I've not recommended Windows Mobile to a couple of people, because of the apps and services they use and want to use. Even before I decided on Windows Mobile/phone several years ago, I wanted to stay BlackBerry, but hardware was an issue for me, at that time. Blackberry's hardware sucked and couldn't catch up with the rest of the electronic world. For me, that was a challenge. Even with a growing app store, they didn't have hardware that supported more than a few apps at a time, when I was actually considering other options to move to. As for Windows Mobile, it still works for what I need. I guess I might be the rare case here, but it's where at with things and I'm okay with that. Again, that doesn't mean that I'm blind to changes and challenges of owning a Windows 10 Mobile device.
  • I don't think you can speak for the rest of the world, I to am not wowed by android and the new LG v20 I picked up. The list of what puts me off is large but the top of the list is: Poor integration with my car when compared to WM10, default maps app can't even find my house, Increased amount of ads (like seriously there are ads everywhere and they are very in your face), There may be an ap for everything, but I have to download an app for everything, I can't figure out what is actually baked into the OS at this point, it appears to be nothing more than a launcher.
  • We do have ads on the start menu on win10 baked right in the OS. You won't find such a thing in android or iOS. Ads are on APPS but not in the OS like w10 and you never complain about it yet you are quick to complain about app ads what do we call that?? Also we all know which map is the best of course you know!!! And also we know that there are car play and android auto and none on the other side so I don't get it about car integration
  • Download HERE MAPS from the play store....
  • Just use gmaps then.
  • Gmaps is the default on the LG. He just needs to install Here and he will have more functionality with his maps than he does with his windows 10 MOBILE! device.
  • Take it all back for a full refund and move to one of their competitors who supports your device... Simple! 😉
  • That makes no sense... Return five devices because one isn't supported (and not supported on anything)? Wouldn't it make more sense to switch out one device to support 5 you already have? YES.
  • It is not as simple in some situations. What if your whole family is using Windows phone and rely on geofencing to arm/disarm the home system. Are you going to replace all the Windows phones? Besides, you only need to replace the Smartthings hub with another controller (like Vera) that works with your existing Zigbee and/or Z-wave devices. Of course, you need to reconfigure these devices.
  • Same
  • That's two blows for me in 24 hours. The other one is Vector Watch. I messaged WC about it also. They are dropping a Vector Watch App support because they are being bought over by Fitbit. Thankfully my watch is only two weeks old. So I'll be returning it.
  • Did they actually say they are dropping Windows Mobile support? Fitbit is a still a big supporter of Windows Mobile. If anything they are more supportive than Vector. My Fitbit app just got another nice update a couple of days ago.
  • So you're getting full notifications on your Fitbit from your Windows phone?
  • not yet, but http://www.windowscentral.com/fitbit-windows-beta-test-bluetooth-gatt
  • its time to buy the new NOKIA 8 with Snap 835 and Android 7
  • Look at "The Home Remote" in the Store.. It's a good replacement and works with so many other products. You just can't configure your SmartThings through it :/
  • Suddenly a lot of people use this... how convenient.
  • I have mixed feelings. On one hand, at least they will offer support for a few more months, which is different from the ones that just end support altogether while shutting down the app. On the other, it still sucks that they are doing this. Kind of torn between giving props for the way they are shutting it down...or if they shouldn't have any because they are shutting it down.
  • It would be different if they hadn't promised previously they were staying.
  • It wouldn't be as bad if they just discontinued support, but also removing the app from the store basically means you don't even get a choice about using it anymore. Talk about frustrating...
  • I saw they were upgrading the app, wtf
  • I kept asking for a Windows app but apparently they didn't think it was worthwhile to make it universal even though when UWP first came out they expressed interesting in making one.
  • UWP is failing....
  • This is why I finally gave up on Windows. I bought a Pixel. It's fast, fluid, very responsive, and has a great camera and battery life. And thanks to all the amazing apps Microsoft has released for Android like OneDrive, Office Mobile apps and Outlook... I don't miss my Windows Phone... At all. And every other app and eco system I've ever wanted is available. Give up the ghost. If Microsoft won't care to keep partners and apps much less get new ones there's no point in trying to be loyal to a Hindenburg of an OS. I'll miss you Windows Mobile and Windows Phone. We had some good times and you got me to where I am today. But at the end of the day I need a phone that can keep up with an increasingly appified and connected world.
  • Did you happen to get one of the few units that hasn't crapped out or did you actually get Google to warranty it unlike most?
  • Wait... You just said you don't miss windows phone, but then said you'll miss windows phone... Make up your mind! 😜
  • @curiousross I went to a GS7 during Black Friday. I have to agree with fast and fluid phones. The only thing I miss is the speech to text in my vehicles. Other than that, every app you need is on Android.
  • Son of a...... I just got the hub and everything for xmas because of the support for Windows Mobile. I don't even know what to say.
  • You should still be in the return window period.
  • There is a tiles web interface I can still use. Guess I'll just pick up a cheap android tablet to do all the config and setup.
  • Replace it with a controller that works with Windows, like VeraPlus.
  • First and foremost, providing a legend about SmartThings would be helpful (to those who don't know).
  • Yay.. So when windows mobile is going to die 💀 so that I throw my Lumia 950xl and go with either i8/S8.
  • The phones run Windows 10... You honestly believe Windows 10 is going to die?
  • Aha I believe windows 10 mobile is dying..when MS will introduce mobile mode in windows 10 that would be final nail in coffin. Also proves by MS lack of interest.
  • There is nothing called Windows 10 Mobile... It is all Windows 10. Only one OS.
  • That's the line they have been feeding us but the truth is that only about or less than 10% of the store apps contain the same code (true uwp). When they get desktop on arm for the masses, maybe we will see a difference. Until then, there is no reversal of windows phones demise. For every app gained, 5 will disappear.
  • That's up to the developer, not Microsoft. The runtime is available to everybody and targeting it adds a potential 400 million users.
  • Yes, but 395 million desktop/tablet users and 5 million phone users means that the apps that are better suited for phones will never be developed. The reason that I cannot even find a decent couch to 5k app when ios and droid have hundreds is because no one is going to go running with a surface pro. Even when w10 on arm is available, developers will need to know that people are buying devices of a mobile nature before apps are ever developed.
  • Well, there are 400+ windows users which you can reach with one runtime and small changes to the interface. There has never been more incentive to dip your toes in the Windows market for developers. It has never been easier to get in and reach everybody. Do you really think it was easier to attract developers before when we had a separate environment and 50-100 million users?
  • Let's not blame developers for Microsoft's inability to gain traction in the mobile market. We keep saying "ecosystem" when the reality is that it is the lack of popularity that killed Windows Mobile. As long as your friends keep buying Android and iOS, your friends' friends will keep buying Android and iOS, and everybody will continue to not care about the non-trending platform.
  • Of course, Google and Apple are so "cool". It takes some education to not fall for the marketing fluff.
  • "Of course, Google and Apple are so "cool". It takes some education to not fall for the marketing fluff." Falls for the UWP marketing fluff
  • Up to the developer? Stop it man don't act like MS pays your bills or somethn! Developers develop for the mass and there's non to be found in mobile. It's up to MS knowing they came late could make it even free to publish apps, give devs 100% of their revenues and like that you attract them no some annual fees for something not returning costs! I'm a dev
     
  • They can target all of Windows...
  • Yes but MS collects biggest % on the income compared to other OSs! And Desktop users don't really use apps! Who wanna do something on a table while can do the same thing while laying back on one's couch? Desktop is for work these days and they don't use apps over there! End of the day there's no body to target to
  • Uh, no they don't... Microsoft is on the exact same level as Google and Apple... Don't make things up please. From what I know the usage of the store has gone into the billions... So I don't know where you base any of your opinions.
  • I disagree, I'd love to have all my apps on PC too and I guarantee you a lot of people do... The only reason I don't is because they don't exist.... But games, social apps, browsers, photo editing, and all the smart o next apps I whish I could have them on my PC... Because bottom line people spend more time a day in front of their PC screen than phone or tablet... But since they drank apple/android coolaid they forgot that PCs do exist and people still use .... A LOT
  • Do you wanna back that up with some research or analysis? In the office yes but not otherwise
  • Yes at work but looking at laptop sales and non office desktop sales i guarantee you you still have tons and tons of people using pc and prefering it for a lot of application on a daily basish... Even my 60 years old + mum or my barely 30 sister an my 20+ spends more "utility" time on their PC.... Tablets and phone are for bulshitting or on the go.... I do 2 hours a day of mass transportation a day (train, bus, metro combined) tons of peeps on PC and the one on phone watch movies listen to music or play poor games.... Again i'd rather have my apps work on a surface pro than a galaxy tab... Smartonject control on a tab ok programming them is just a pain in the ass compared to PC range of use... Again phone tabs for BSing... And sure I'll look for data over the weekend
  • It is not all windows 10, they share same core, but still some differences, thats why you dont get PC/Mobile builds simultaneously
  • We didn't get the same build? The reason why we don't get the same build some times is because the driver support might not be up to par with their internal requirements.
  • so I can run W32 apps ? then why do we need windows on arm seperately, isnt windows already on arm then?
  • I share your opinion, as soon as MS has Windows on ARM up and running they'll slap on the mobile UI and kill of Win 10 Mobile. I believe their just using us as beta testers for the new UI. Want proof, trye buying a windows phone. It's close to impossible right now, my L1520 just died and the only replacements I can actually buy now are the HP X3, which I can't afford, or a L650, of which, judging by the stock listed on various websites, there are only a few hundred left in the country. If MS intended people to use Win 10 Mobile, they'd make sure they could buy hardware to run it on. I don't think they ever intended to use Win 10 Mobile as real OS.  
  • Like the alcatel 4s, hp elite x3, jade primo, 950xl/950 (still available), lumia 650, Lumia 450.
  • And several by Chinese manufacturing companies.
  • There is no "Mobile" to kill off... The only thing added is the win32 emulator... There are plenty of mobiles running Windows 10 out there for you to buy... What are you talking about? Both the Alcatel and the Elite has gotten great reviews.
  • No phones currently run windows 10, they run win 10 mobile, although they share One Core, they are still not the same OS. No, Win 10 is not going to die anytime soon (I assume Win 11 is still many years of). But MS killed off Win 10 Mobile last year when they stopped developing phones.
  • 1. They have the exact same runtime.
    2. Windows 10 is a SaaS which means there will be no Windows 11.
    3. There is no such thing as Windows 10 "mobile". It is Windows 10 period.
    4. Microsoft hasn't stopped developing Windows 10, and it runs on mobile too which means they haven't killed off anything.
    5. Killing off support for ARM-SoC's sounds stupid since they have just announced they have completed the move of full Windows 10 to the ARM-platform.
  • As for nr. 3. Look in settings under About, Device information and software: Windows 10 Mobile. You might want to tell MS about that...
  • Yes, but it is NOT standalone... Look at any runtime file.
  • hmm so just if its all the same, why do we have a new Windows on Arm coming? shouldn't the current W10(M) be the one to be called WOA already? shouldnt win32 apps already run on our phones?   Basically W10M is real, it may be a subset/or a union of W10 as you know.
  • What we have got coming is a Windows environment with a Win32-emulator added on top of the modern runtime that runs on Windows 10 devices... Windows 10 running on mobile is just Windows 10 without Win32 and other computer specific snippets... Basically the core, the runtime, the runtime environment, the driver stack and the kernel is the same... Not much else to add to that list.
  • The phone STILL RUNS A MOBILE verison of windows 10. All they did was change the update numbers to jive with the desktop version. Its just Symantics. If the phones ran full windows 10, You could take the disk and install it on phones. Also, there are LOTS of apps that are on desktop windows that cannot run on windows MOBILE. WHY IS THAT? they are all the same OS?????? Are they not? you should really stop drinking so much kool aid.
  • Read up... Everything is the same except that Windows on x86 has their drivers running for that hardware and Windows running on phones do not have the w32 runtime environment (yet) and have a driver stack for ARM. The "lots of apps" you are talking about are just not designed graphically to fit on a 16:9-16:10 horizontal monitor... If the developers chose to adjust their viewport they could run these apps on a phone if they wanted to.
  • Giddora. If there is no such thing as win10 mobile, why is it that when I go into the settings of my phone the software is listed as "Windows.10 Mobile"?
  • Because they can't call it just Windows 10 since it has no w32 runtime. Remember the trouble they had when they called the arm-version of Windows "RT"?
  • Then its ******* WINDOWS 10 MOBILE.....you really are dense.
  • Do you want to differentiate them? You can, but it is the same codebase with added mobile support.
  • Get over with the technical nomenclature, let me for your satisfaction say its all win10, how does it matter, still additional effort is needed to port UWP apps to Mobile, secondly MS says with UWP u can target potentially billion devices, but there is no demand for apps on PC, majority if PCs are deployed on enterprise and they have blocked stores. Also sufficient marketing has not been done, so most home consumers dont even know that they can use apps on PCs just as on their iphones or androids. You yourself mentioned that u prefer to use websites over apps, thats what majority of PC users are doing, so the only ones asking for apps are mobile users, and their  numbers are really small and decreasing further as we speak, MS has made it clear that they have lost the mobile race, so why would some dev invest in something on which there is no guarentee of a ROI(return of investment).
  • Let me ask you if you have any development experience and if you know anything about developing for UWP?
  • we can't support it well enough so we'll just kill it off
  • We don't see the need to support it when there are only 10 users. We can devote our time to other things.... there fixed that for your mahmoudsalah93.
  • I agree with you and I understand their reasons for dropping support. I just think they should have just said it was because of lack of users, it would have made more sense.
  • I wonder if enough of people could get together to ask them to stay and instead make a universal app if it could make a difference.
  • UWP was only interesting to developers IF Nadella maintained mobile market share. With virtually no phones, UWP is useless. Nadella never understood that abandoning the Windows mobile OS, he killed the value prop of UWP.
  • UWP is far from useless, it's their way to run applications natively regardless of platform. Xbox One, Windows 10 Desktop, W10 Mobile Windows 10 on ARM, Windows IoT, all of them runs UWP. But each platform has their own native code as well just as W10 Desktop has backward comp. to Win32 executable. Alot of good apps is UWP, and it is hard to tell the difference between Win32 and UWP
  • What was that thing that Microsoft was doing? Mmmm.. Retrenchment?
    By the time a surface phone arrives the app store will bleed dead.
  • Yep. Just what I was typing. There will be nothing to come back to. This idiot is sitting on his money pile and watching the rest burn around him. I'll stop calling him Nutella and start calling him Little Nero.
  • You two know that the app store now reaches more than 400 million devices?
  • On windows Phone ?
  • There is no difference... It is all Windows 10.
  • it's not. it doesn't matter the core is the same. no dev is interested in windows 10 mobile. No one gives a crap how many devices: none phones, run windows 10. I do not need and do not use store apps on my notebook and many also do not. Your explanations are simply pathetic excuses for MS in their failed attempt on mobile.
  • Capital "W", lowercase "p" for the sake of all things right with the words that you have given.
  • Exactly... There are Windows phones or phones running Windows... However, there is no Windows Phone as in a standalone OS.
  • Exactly. Thank you.
  • Right, keep on focusing on what its called like it makes a difference, whatever its called its a dead platform.
  • Right, keep on focusing on what its called like it makes a difference, whatever its called its a dead platform.
  • It does make a difference. Windows Phone is a dead platform, Windows phone (lowercase "p") are phones that run Windows, Windows 10 Mobile is alive and kicking (active development). If you like to pretend it doesn't make a factual difference, that is your choice. The only thing that is dead in this conversation is the Windows Phone OS and soon, the app that this article is about. Windows 10 (all SKUs) is not a dead platform and to say that it is is being out of touch with the facts and the truth of the matter. I prefer to stay grounded in truth.
  • Half these developers dont even realize about UWP. When I contact them I have to inform them every time.
  • I don't think that's true. Nobody ignores Windows 10.
  • That's why ALL THE TOP APPS AND COMPANIES ARE RUSHING TO GET WINDOWS 10 apps on WINDOWS 10 (devices that you can make calls on, fit in your pocket and look just like phones)...SInce I cant use mobile or phone in the same sentence as windows 10. Facepalm!
  • Doesn't matter what your personal opinion is... The platform (windows 10) is the opposite of dying.
  • It doesn't matter what your opinion is, the store is dying. Its full of third world science projects. And this idiot CEO has just sat back and yawned like the clown he is.
  • Opinion? I didn't state my opinion.
  • Neither did I. So?
  • So we must have not been talking to each other. I was responding to the notification in the Action Center and it seemed that you were talking to me about my opinion, which I didn't give. I count this one as a miscommunication via the app. Have a great day missionsparta.
  • It doesn't matter what YOUR opinion is when everyday we get a lot of new UWP-apps which are platform independent. I don't think you haven't really read up on what Windows 10 as a platform is since you keep saying something is wrong with it. Satya has made an excellent job in merging the phone team into the main Windows team which also shows considering how frequently we get new builds nowadays. Before Windows 10 we got a maximum of one build every 6-8 weeks. Now we sometimes get several builds each week.
  • Exactly.
  • Store is already dead, just like the whole windows 10 mobile OS. The last pathetic failed mobile OS attempt from MS. Kids should learn about this in school, about how not to pathetically run a company.
  • How can you say Windows 10 is dead? Are you blind?
  • He is talking about Windows 10 Mobile. Nutella has let this thing die a slow death to point that it will be beyond recovery.
  • That is Windows 10. And it is not dead. It is being developed more rapidly than any standalone mobile OS from MS has ever been developed.
  • Developed rapidly? I like Windows10 for PC's, but with each update for Mobile so many obvious and nagging bugs remain. The development for it has been spinning its tires forever.
  • I guess you are in Fast ring. It gets developed the same as it is the same codebase. You do know we get new builds almost every two weeks on average and the old standalone os'es got updates almost yearly?
  • I'm on production. And I dont care how many updates we get, the same lame ridiculous bugs remain. Its obvious the builders dont actually use these phones or Mobile OS or they would be all over these. They need to demand their builders use these device we as their primary everyday phone or this will never go anywhere.
  • Oh well, that's the price this rapid pace has. There will be bugs. Take a look at the android bugtracker once and you'll see. Windows 10 is a big step.
  • I'm not just talking bugs... I'm talking ridiculously obvious bugs. For crying out loud, if you are using an app in landscape, get a text, and try to respond to it in the notification center the keyboard won't show up. How long are they going to let something this ridiculous to go on?
  • I agree.
  • Miss...
  • LOL, Yes, the flow of the conversation in the app can definitely be confusing. I was addressing missionsparta's comment about opinion as well as I got a notification but turns out, missionsparta may not have been talking to me. Thank you for your reply. Have a great night/day everyone.
  • I know, and devs are dumping it because Microsoft acts like they don't care.
  • No, that's not even remotely true.
  • Indeed it does, but most of those users aren't even aware that a PC can run "apps". Even my kids rarely use the windows store on their PC's. Most people I know don't even know what that tile does.
  • Yep. Just state that. I have to inform these clowns every time.
  • Yep. You use a browser, mostly Chrome, on a PC. People don't use apps on PCs.
  • The numbers don't lie... Billions of usages of the Store and it's increasing rapidly...
  • if that was the case this info would have been plastered all over WC pages.
  • No one cares. People write apps for mobile devices first. You use websites on PCs.
  • We use websites because they have been half assing the apps. When an app is well written it is ten times better than the crap web sites.
  • I'm glad that you have interviewed everyone human on earth to conclude, without a shadow of doubt and the extreme confidence that you display in your words, that no one, not even a single person, cares. Thank you for letting us know that we have been using our PCs incorrectly as well because according to you and your polling of every living person, we are supposed to use websites on our PCs and not apps. You also simultaneously saved the careers of all those developers that write for PCs first, by showing them the error of their ways, allowing them to switch to writing apps for mobile devices first, thus keeping their children, whom you interviewed earlier as a part of the whole of humanity, from going hungry and sleeping in the rain. Your conclusion is flawed, you didnt survey me about those topics because if you would have, you couldn't factually say that no one cares. Oh well, maybe the next person that claims to speak for everyone, will include little ole me. But hey, who am I anyways? :{
  • What are the new and popular Windows 10 apps have been release in the last month?
  • My retirement system got an uwp app this week and that is great for everyone in Sweden.
  • Well there was... uh no not that one. It was..... nope, not that one either. Oh yeah it was..........crap that was Android too. Sorry can't think of any.
  • I use websites on mobile most of the time, I shouldn't have to install and give up information about me to use a service... And why should you?
  • UWP would have been adopted by dev en masse,, if there was incentive for them to reach out to different devices. UWP on XBOX is still in a very early phase, MS has been clear and vocal that they have no interest in mobile so essentially W10M is dead. Win32 programs/websites are already present for PC so why redevelop using UWP only for PC, your 400 million devices have failed to attract devs and its a fact u cant ignore.
     
  • There is no such thing as Windows 10 Mobile... And I see a lot of traction on the UWP-store... Even tripple-A games have started to pop up every now and then.
  • If there's no such a thing as W10 Mobile then tell me this why do we have UWP apps that only available for the Desktop? It's the same OS right?
  • Because of the design differences and small changes needed to be done to the code due to dependencies.
  • You listen to Microsoft and it does require that much to move one to the other.
  • You have decided that Apple and Google will be the winner in the enterprise market. So I don't put much value in your predictions.
  • I really don't understand Microsoft's strategy, unless they are completely convinced that "apps" as we know them won't matter in a few years. I was very optimistic by the end of 2015, windows Phone had a reasonable marketshare, despite having been rebooted several times and there were a reasonable amount of apps despite developers having to code for a third OS. With the advent of One Windows across all devices and projects like Island wood, centennial, west minster and play anywhere, I was certain we'd see a big push towards mobile from MS in 2016, instead killed off their own phone development. They owned 95% of the windows phone market and withdrew from the market over night. What kind of message did they think that would send to the consumers, developers and the phonemakers who owned the remaining 5%? Why would developers even bother to create UWP apps instead of win 32, when MS just killed off the reason UWP was created in the first place. You'd think MS would at least have kept windows mobile on life support by releasing a few phones a year, even if they lost money in the short term, just to build up support from developers. Now they have to start completely from scratch in 2018, and I think it will be hard for them to regain the trust from developers and consumers who've been burned before.    
  • only WC believes apps are dead.
  • Well... Apps are stupid in itself... Why do you need an app to reach a service whereas 10 years ago you could use everything without using apps...
  • with such thinking like yours I don't wonder why Sweden is now a no-go zone, worse than Bronx.
  • Keep dragging this out, Nutella. You are doing a bang up job. That boardroom needs a good case of the heart-attacks. By the time Panos is done with what he is working on, Nutella should have completely decimated anything that resembled an app store.
  • What? Merging the code base so every developer works on Windows on all hardware platforms?
  •   I don't think anyone is doubting the technical achievements. The problem is that the UWP is being mostly ignored by most "cool" startups writing their apps for mobile platforms. There is rarely a new project thought out to run primarily on desktop, and for which UWP is the platform of choice. Despite the amazing technical achievements I'm still wondering if Microsoft is making the right investments for the platform and ecosystem, and how things could've been if the investments and some of the technical achievements had come much earlier.  If this is not another exmple of companies with great products out there just giving Windows users their back, I don't know what it is (I've been a SmartThings user for almost 2yrs now, on Windows Phone first). I may no longer have a Windows mobile device, but I keep following this site as Windows on PC is my main computong platform, and Xbox my main gaming console; but whenever I see these news, my hopes to go back to having a Windows phone keep diminishing. 
  • UWP had promise when it was launched, but It has lost sheen, it has not been picked up as we all would have liked.
  • No, because half the developers dont even know what UWP is. This idiot in his boardroom has been to busy counting his money to worry what is happening.
  • which developers? these that keep leaving? Seems that only fanboys like you see the imaginary devs that "keep bringing" uwp apps to the store. Facebook is a failed OSMeta port, same for Messenger. The only ones that are truly usable are whatsapp and Instagram, rest of them are either old WP8 apps or do not exist at all. I can hardly wait the day when even whatsapp will say goodbye, then I will have a nice laugh in your fanboy faces.
  • I sure am glad I went with the VeraPlus.  They have a universal app.
  • I thought I looked into them before but ruled them out. Do they have a subscription fee? Are they extensible?
  • No subscriptions.  That's the main reason I went with them.  The Plus controller supports Zigby, Zwave, bluetooth and Wifi.  But I'd recommend going to their site to look at the "works with" device list for less headaches.  They sent me an email recently about a new controller coming out that's basically a VeraPlus with security. (ie a siren built in)  Looks interesting.  The best part about the VeraPlue IMO is that it doesn't require any phone for setup.  You can do it all from a web browser. I also set up a Smart Things hub at my brother's and very much prefer Vera's app over Samsung's.
  • I can't see anything about extending it by adding a rules engine or anything of the sort. I see the MioS Marketplace where I might be able to add other devices though. Funny thing is it says Windows App at the bottom of the site and yet on the menu at the top under Apps it only shows Android and iOS. How do they expect people to use an app they hide?
  • I can't see anything about extending it by adding a rules engine or anything of the sort. I see the MioS Marketplace where I might be able to add other devices though. Funny thing is it says Windows App at the bottom of the site and yet on the menu at the top under Apps it only shows Android and iOS. How do they expect people to use an app they hide?
  • I have no idea why they don't list the Windows app at the top.  I've been using them for the past 4 months and have seen a few updates come through.  It sure is nice to be able to launch their app from either my phone or one of the 5 windows PC's scattered around the house.  UWP's are awesome that way.
  • I can't see anything about extending it by adding a rules engine or anything of the sort. With SmartThings one of the things I loved was using the API to extend functionality. I see the MioS Marketplace where I might be able to add other devices though. Funny thing is it says Windows App at the bottom of the site and yet on the menu at the top under Apps it only shows Android and iOS. How do they expect people to use an app they hide?
  • I will have to look into this.  Do any of Samsungs products work with this?  I hope I can use the door/motion sensors.   Also can you use cortana with the app?
  • They list some Samsung appliances, but if you're talking about the Smartthings devices, I can't say for sure.  It'll depend on what kind of protocol they use.  This is what I found on their forum.   "It also depends on which version of the SmarthThings sensors you have. The newest ones (released around the same time as the V2 hub) are rebranded Centralite sensors and connected with no issues. The original SmartThings sensors (Kickstarter versions) connected but didn't work and caused the VeraPlus to reload every two minutes." Looks like the Smartthings devices use Zigby.  I found through research that Zwave is your best chance at something that's truly universal.   Also, I don't think you can use cortana with the app.  Although I have not tried...
  • I'm glad I went with an iPhone. They have apps.
  • I've been scrolling through the comments hoping that SOMEONE wouldn't be crying and whining but instead offer an alternative path forward, and at last I've found you. Thanks! I'll be looking into this!
  • Microsoft still says that windows phone is not dead and we still support the OS . And etc.. But to when ? Every day apps removed from the store and even the apps on the store developers don't update thier app only 2 or 1 time in month . Specially Facebook and messenger app on windows phone . Ohh I can't even remember the time that I had been update Facebook . Thank you Microsoft for killing windows phone .
  • It is Windows 10...
  • No it is not. It is Windows 10 Mobile. Similar kernel with a different shell. When WOA is released, they will kill Windows 10 Mobile and whatever devices running it will be abandoned. There will be no more Windows phones, because that platform is dead. They may release some small Surface tablet with telephony, but that is iffy and it won't be a pocket device. Samsung is about to announce the GS8, which is well rumored to have a Continuum feature. By 2018, Samsung will own that market as they will have the market penetration to gain developer interest and Google will have a similar feature ready by next fall if Samsung isn't using their Free Form desktop already. Microsoft will still be behind and the Surface "Phone" will be entering a vaccuum. Windows is destined to being relegated to the enterprise and niche use cases. It is only a matter of time at this point.
  • I can hardly wait that day when the Samsung's version of continuum will be praised and used, and Microsoft's pathetic attempt will be trashed :)) Honestly, because of Nadella and his mediocre policies, I will enjoy seeing MS completley FAIL even with the mythical Surface Phone! They deserve to fail for all the lies and ditch and runs they made on users ever since WP7.5.
  • Anyone else want to add their comment to Dona? Maybe she can help keep things going.
    https://twitter.com/cr_buck/status/820016615974637568
  • Well I got one retweet. Maybe if enough people could say something Samsung would change their tune. Sad to say I have hope after 1 RT.
  • I've been using Insteon.  It works well.
  • Except they aren't extensible and it has to be their accessories. No rules of any sort. And there is also the fact that their app stopped working for nearly a year from August 2015 to about Summer of 2016 and they wouldn't fix it or even say if they were working on it.
  • It only stopped on win10 which was in insider and prerelease status. The Issue was related to Ms issueing phones with a beta os status so no Not their fault. Also they do have rules they are called scenes. And each device can be added to multiple sceens, have separate schedules and combined with logitec, and other services. But for the sake of the platform please tweet donna for any smart home support you desire
  • Actually I had regular multiple Windows 10 computers not on any ring having issues as well. Scenes are not the same thing. Push notifications, even though that is a Microsoft technology, never worked on anything Windows so leak sensors were useless. I still have my on HUB but gave up on it. It was too inflexible. About on the only thing I did love was how you could easily define ramp rates for their bulbs an switches. To pour salt on my wounds when I contact Smartthings about the issues at the time they seemed less than concerned their products weren't working. I contacted multiple times and each time got no help.
  • What could these issues be?
  • Probably the smart thing to do...
  • The apps are leaving because MS is not really interested in Windows Phone any longer. Everything is disposable. Continuum, Nokia, Yahoo. Winows RT. They just acquire things and try them out. If it works keep it if it doesn't drop it. Now that they have Windows x86 on ARM hardware there is no need for ARM specific APPs. The whole internet is full of PROGRAMs that will do the same thing. The Universal APPs will allow the ARM specifc apps if needed to run on the new Surface Phone so.   To sum up what I think MS is thinking.... a short skit. Windows Phone?  What's that? OHhhhh the experiment we had a few years back. Yeah that's dead. look at this new toy we have!
  • Uwp is not arm specific apps. It's the new coding language...or haven't you been listening.
  • Uwp is not arm specific apps. It's the new coding language...or haven't you been listening.
  • Curiously, SmartThings had promised monthly app updates for its Windows Phone app less than a year ago, so it's a bit surprising to see support dropped already.
    If you look at what has happened (or better: has NOT happened) this past year with Windows Mobile and the store this is not a surprise at all. It's only logical.
  • Never heard of it.but I guess some use it looking at the comments here.
  • Every day one more nail thanks MS 
  • I am running all of my IOT devices through Home Assistant ( home-assistant.io ) no need for an app. I log in to my Raspberry pi 3 server through https, and it is extremely stable. and... to top it off it supports a TON of different devices as well. It is not for the light of heart, it does take a considerable amount of work to get up and running, but once its up man its stable as hell. At the moment I have it running with a series of Lifx bulbs, and Wemo switches, getting ready to add the Z-wave component so I can start using some of those devices. Presence detection is a tad bit of a sore spot with it in regards to windows phone. I am using the Nmap components to detect home / away with three phones. And it works fairly well.
  • Ugh. This feels like the moment I give up on WP. Convince me to stay!
  • Stay.
  • Pull up your pants
  • Convincing you wouldn't help much. Once your phone dies, try finding a replacement, there won't be any. You'll be forced to use iOS or Android unless MS has managed to release a Win 10 on ARM device by then.
  • Nope. I'd buy an elite. I like how Ms phones are purchased outright and not through cariers. Love not paying monthly for extra$$ for no reason and not having to worry when the upgrade is.
  • That isn't unique to Microsoft phones at all. There are plenty of Android and iPhones available unlocked. That $800 Elite is going to suck in a few months when support is dropped for Windows Mobile. With WOA, they will no longer have a use for WM.
  • Let me send you that inspiring and convincing speech from the Microsoft CEO about his commitment to Windows mobile. Oh wait, he never does that. I'll just send you a Microsoft Windows mobile commercial, oh wait.
  • Thank God I went with Vera a year ago (because they suport windows phone). It's a cool wireless home automation / security system too!
  • Me too... A solid solution, and a very responsive development team.
  • Oh come on! I've been building up since June. This sucks
  • I blame Samsung!
  • I'll be returning all of my items that I bought in good faith.
  • I don't need a smart home yet.
  • Bummer, I only have Windows 10 devices... And all my home is built on Smartthings!
    I too have been asking Smartthtings for a UWP app which could run on PC/tablets, Xbox etc... So to me, this is not a matter of windows phone dying, since they could access the entire Win10 ecosystem with a UWP app... Are they feeling threaten by the fact that MS has announced that they will push for IoT?
    - rumoured home hub with home devices (lights etc) control, Cortana integration..
    - recent recruitment of an ex Cisco IoT director?...
    Since Samsung now own Harman (first Cortana enabled speaker) does Samsung know something we don't (MS IoT product/feature roadmap, for instance?).? Or is there something else coming behind the phone app being discounted, an Universal app? (a bit hopeful here, but who knows ?!).
  • Last 3 times a win phone app was canceled that is what happened fingers are crossed for u guys on smart things.
  • There is still thehomeremote to control your SmartThings and also Insteon if you wan a device ecosystem with deep intergration. They even have physical remotes so if Insteon bows out u are safe.
  • The downside is Home Remote take a while to build and has to be rebuilt by you each time a change is made. It also can't take advantage of things like Geofencing. I still want to create my own interface using Home Remote but personally haven't had the time. 
  • Use thehomeremote app. It supports; Insteon, Smart things, hue, wemo...etc..it has Cortana support. U can adjust the user interface to your liking, it has Xbox support and works on tablet,pc and mobile. You can even pick your trigger word. Exampleis "hey Cortana, please open the garage door". You can even choose her replies...and it works under lock.
  • The Home Remote app doesn't have a good rating--or very many ratings--in the Store.  I'd be a bit apprehensive to try it, based on the reviews.
  • Its pretty good. Been using it for my hue and nest products... It gets regular updates
  • It probably doesn't have good ratings because but it is a more hands on process. 
  • I'm going to sue them if I have to.. I bought snartthings and over $2k devices specifically because it works in Windows Phone.. This is bait and switch. . I left Iris for similar reason..
  • Same story, different app.
  • Does Nadella even notice this stuff? I bet he couldn't care less.
  • he is trying very hard to shoo the users away, so he stay in peace.
  • just two month before my home is being finished and this gets pulled, nice
  • Try home remote app.
  • Don't worry, the Messiah cometh.
    No, not WP7, or WP8, nor W10 or WM10 silly, not UWPs or Xamarin, none of THOSE Messiahs..... Surface phone cometh, the true Messiah and is only a year away. Yay.
  • I guess the much anticipated Surface Phone will not have an OS loaded onto it?  Or are you just trying to be funny?
  • Sharp as a bowling ball
  • No, seriously. What do you mean? We're on Windows 10 now and it works and expands its reach every day.
  • OMG, nothing yet has stopped the app drain, but the new Messiah is coming....once again /s
  • You don't make any sense. You do know there are several apps added each day to the store that don't get articles, right?
  • Your the One not making sense, we all know there is one core, one W10, but WM IS a separate dying entity no matter the semantics.
    Keep pretending it's all good, keep pretending windows mobile is all one and the same. That facade is what Nutella is hiding behind while he destroys windows phone/windows mobile.
    But u keep banging the drum like it's not so, cause they're all the same thing.
    We know their not, u keep pretending and selling the corporate line.
  • N M, don't bother.....he's on so much Kool Aid, that his skin is turning red. Or whatever flavor that MS feeds out. I am only buying windows 10 computers, OSX sucks, and apple keeps stripping functionality from their macbooks. However, I would NEVER buy a windows 10 "mobile" device. They are DEAD in the water.....Yes there are new apps added to MS store all the time but 99.9% of them are NOT for phone/mobile/whatever the EFF he wants to call it.
  • you should stay away from WC for few days, you seems to have had an overdose of WC articles and cant see the writing on the wall
  • For once have the guts to point here what apps were added and when. You keep barking fanboy crap, but without any proper evidence. So, what apps?
  • Are you serious, you want me to list what apps are added instead of just checking the new apps in the store yourself?
  • There won't be one left if this clown CEO doesnt get sh**canned soon.
  • Soon™
  • RIP, Windows
  • Windows ain't going anywhere.
  • I guess enterprise is somewhere.
  • Agreed LBP775. Windows 10 is NOT going anywhere except off mobile devices.....
  • You guys should take a look at "Home Remote" its a cross platform app (iOS, Android, Windows) that has standalone mobile apps as well as a desktop designer app to customize the interface to your liking. I've used it for all my home automation stuff and it works like a champ! www.thehomeremote.com for those that are interested.
  • While powerful, I don't think most will know how to use Home Remote.
  • Very interesting. The Home Remote web site lists many companies including Insteon and Logitech.
  • Wow!?!?!
  • And this is why I'm so glad I didn't choose SmartThings for my solution... Whew!!! I have Vera, and their UWP app is great.  The team is very responsive as well.  Keep it going Vera!
  • Well, I think that's the last straw for me. Can't cast my music to my speakers, no book reader that syncs across my devices, can't sync my open bookmarks across my devices in edge, and now my smart home options are drastically limited. Sigh, things could have been so great.
  • oh just wait for bots /s
  • Ha ha ha! that's funny techiez
  • This is terrible news. I have invested and I rely on SmartThings daily on my phone. SMH! They should create a UWP so users from desktop and mobile can take advantage of SmartThings.
  • Probably will. Sammy is heavy into Ms lately and u can always use thehomeremote if youtlr already config.
  • Or failing that port the ios app with the bridge.
  • Muzzely works great for me after setup with my chuwi 8 dual boot win 10, android tablet
  • Yay, a fellow Chuwi user!
  • Almost bought one but was worried about support... Would you recommend?
  • Ah, SmartThings is owned by Samsung which basically is run by Google. Makes sense now.
  • It makes sense that someone on this site would find a way to blame Google. Lol
  • WSheep spotted, so you mean Samsung has no windows devices right?
  • Not anything mobile, no.
  • but there is no mobile.....
  • Muzzely can add support for more if asked right now they have a massive list and great windows app. Ecobee,hue,nest,wink,Honeywell...
  • Don't see this app in the store
  • That's because it's spelled wrong. It's Muzzley and not Muzzely. 
  • Don't worry guys, Surface Phone will save the day. /s
  • yea, just read a Jason Ward article :D
  • Um... Bye
  • So I guess they just forgot about desktop usage for the app, or was the app not UWP, it makes sense if the app isn't UWP but if it is UWP it doesn't.
  • UWP is failing
  • correction, failed, it just failed to take off
  • Why would uwp fail... It'll replace win32 overtime... No reason to keep that in future development unless they want to be locked to PC and waste money on more dev cost for IoT (the new winCE) which is and will be massive....
  • Oh FFS!!!
  • what is SmartThings?
  • UGH. I don't usually post in this one, but I am in the smartthings ecosystem and spent A LOT of money to get my house automated. This is unacceptable. Their app has actually had a bug for the last few months where it just logs you out all the times and makes presence useless. Maybe they don't have the skill to fix and gave up. UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
  • They have enough skills, but simply do not care anymore about a platform that is crap! When MS doesn't give a damn about it, why should the devs? I for one applaud them for leaving this pathetic OS. Why waste money on a mediocre OS?
  • One by one, they all give up. Just like Microsoft isn't giving s*** about it's mobile ecosystem, aside from the OS itself, and still. It's like they want everything that was made previously to fade out and once everything is obsolete, they can present the new mobile device. Seriously if you were a developer, would you invest in the Microsoft mobile ecosystem, even if it's a slight addition from the core of a UWP app. I am a big fan of Microsoft, but I am getting tired of waiting and buying devices that will not live the promise of a great ecosystem.
  • Who cares!! Samsung will ruin another great product!! Glad I got rid of my Smarthings controller months ago.
  • Windows 10 Mobile has become a burning raft. I have been a loyal WP user, but now I'm assessing which Android phone would be best for my needs. Such an annoying and terrible shame.
  • wait for Nokia 8
  • Like this source that was previously WP Central and now just Windows Central, phone chat is 2% unless you're hocking some case for obsolete phones. That one OS across all hardware was the "fake news" I bought into and spent loads on MS HW and Smart Things as well . . . not so smart after all. After being a WP fan since the BlackJack days of 2005, I'm now shopping for an Android tomorrow and not looking back. Just say NO to iOS and they're over rated junk.
  • Well when Microsoft comes out with a Surface phone, it will probably sell like hot pancakes, but then these app developers will have to find a way to apologize to everyone for not supporting their apps, and or terminating them. As the new Surface mobile will take a share in the market. I'm both a Windows phone and Android phone user. I love my Lumia 950XL but the antennas aren't great for where I live, as I have to use my LG V20 for calls. I can still receive text messages on it and use my LTE. Besides I also own a Surface 3, A Dell 2in1 laptop, Lenovo laptop, Samsung All in One and a Windows 10 Gaming rig PC. Which all have their functions in my apartment for each room. I'm just extremely disappointed with the way app developers have treated us Windows users while they work hard at supporting IOS and Android users.
  • Without apps Surface phone will be a piece of metal, also I dont think MS will do efforts to sell this to consumer market, they will selll a few phone to enthusiasts in limited markets n thats all.
  • Vera is definitely the way to go!!! No subscription fees and superb universal app that gets consistent updates.
  • Insteon is a great choice.
  • They promised monthly updates a year ago so it's surprising they dropped support? - How? Microsoft ensured nearly 0% marketshare thereby telling all devs... Do not build for WP.
  • Thank Nutella for this. Complete crook.
  • It's an absolute shame how Nadella has destroyed WM over these last two years. He doesn't care and now no one else does either.
  • I guess WC also played their part by confusing the fans and keeping their hopes alive, drowning the concerns and complaints of fans.
  • Truth.. He didn't care about mobile phones..
  • Oh who needs apps, Bots and bridges will rule the world for MS. /S
  • Bridges were for the apps....but apps are "dead".....I don't even get ms at this point. BOTS are a joke. They will NEVER replace apps. Who wants to be yelling at their phones in public? NOT ME!
  • Yep I know, it was supposed to be sarcasm directed at WSheep.
  • Why does this article say "Windows Phone" when in fact it seems to concern Windows 10 Mobile? I am confused.
  • potato PoTATo .....windows mobile, windows 10 mobile, windows phone....windows 10 on mobile devices, windows 10 on devices smaller than 7" Windows 10....that's installed on small deivces that you carry around in your pocket so they don't need a carrying bag etc.....IT ALL THE SAME and its all DEAD! Saying that windows 10 mobile is different than windows 10 on phone is like saying the sky is blue...no its not its a shade of color that is the same as blue but its called sky!
  • To bad
  • Getting ready for full Windows 10 on arm.
  • Not going to help the mobile devices situation. Apps help make the mobile space fast and easy to use. Instead of having to go in and type webpages etc...you just use the app.....it makes things faster and easier on mobile devices. Windows 10 on arm is going to open up windows to take on chromebooks, not phones and tablets
  • It's no use trying to explain the same thing to some fanboys. Surface phone will do ZERO without apps, and devs won't simply jump back on the platform just because: Surface Phone. Nadella failed to understand this.
  • Maybe they could open source the software, and let the community continue to develop it?
  • That would still take some effort and risk on their part. What is the point when the community will be non-existent within the year?
  • The community does NOT OWN the I.P. to make the apps. simple....big shitstorm of lawsuits.....
  • Re: Steve Adams,
    I.P. = intellectual property.
    The Owner is free to do what ever they want with their property.
  • Kevin, The comment was directed at the Community making apps Not the IP owners.....
  • What i don't get with all those brand is why do they have apps for phone/tablet only... And not for PCs... I find it super annoying even if I have a android tablet just for that... I'd rather have all my stuff on PC especially when it comes to programming tasks...
  • This is why I dropped WP and went to a s6 then s7. WP was more stable and nothing can beat Cortana's ability to read text and respond via Bluetooth while driving. But the app gap was killing me and here is another sign.
  • Every time I read one of these articles and the following comments I empathize with BlackBerry faithful a little more.  While Microsoft looks into the future and around the bend for some kind of game changer (that Android and iOS will likely emulate within a few months if it really is a game changer with their millions of apps and hundreds of millions of customers) their loyal customers go through this.
  • Blackberrys new phone is sweet, has all the functionality of the blackberry and with ALL the apps of android. MUCH BETTER than any windows mobile device at this point.
  • It is very sad that all Microsoft app working smoothly in android and ios.. But poor in windows phone. And even windows phone user required to buy original version. A windows phone user has no right get the original app for free.. Then how will they get customers...!?
  • UWP is working, I see.
  • I bought the Samsung SmartThings hub kit because of their support for Windows Phone. They promised monthly updates? I've had it for almost a year and the app is just as crappy as when I first got it. Constantly crashes, I always have to log back into the app, no Samsung cam functions.
  • Efff the establishment. W10 is the best OS out there. Just like people voice their disappointment with apps I must defend the OS on this front. I agree, nobody has to put up with the lack of apps, but at the same time people should have REASONABLE expectations from niche product such as W10 for phones. After all, MS has not abandoned the ship, the third party devs have! So go on or stay put! There are only few choices...the grid of icons establishment or the tile revolution you could've helped unravel. Cheers!
  • wow blame the devs, nice. Devs are not here to do charity, all this is result of MS "Retrenchment".
     
  • Well, I ll kill Smartthings from my home.
  • Are you the same guys from moviemaker 8.1?
  • Folks Regular Windows 10 smartphones without Continuum will get some nice updates with  the coming spring Restone 2 updates,  The rebirth of Windows smart phones begins with all Windows 10 mobiles smart phones that have "Continuum" because they will work like Pocket PC's with the Redstone 2 and 3 updates. The super Windows 10 mobiles smart phones are the ones that will use the new Qualcom snapdragon ARMS CPU that have the processing speed and CPU cores to run the New MS X86 Emulation software that will enable them to run Win 32 Desktop PC programs. These windows 10 mobile smart phones are the ones that will begin the rebirth of Windows 10 mobiles smart phones because they will really be smart phone Pocket PC Hybrids a new class of smart phones 
  • i hate these kind of company... leave windows 10 UWP platform is the foolest things in 2017.  
  • how is it foolish? 1% marketshare and further gng down
  • April fools huh, interesting.
  • Good thing you tell me. I was about to buy one of those hubs
  • And MS incapable of reaching out to support much needed apps to decrease the ever widening app gap... If one comes late to the game one has to put more for it to work... Wake up Nadella...
    I guess w10m smartphone will eventually (and, in not long) be only good for phone calls... Downsizing over downsizing has to have an effect... The guru demeanor of Nadella is exasperating. I much liked Balmer's outlook of the company even if in the short run it looked too risky and not too complacent to investors, those inverstors would have thanked him in the long run. Now MS is entirely reliant on the pc market which is going to dwindle even further while the mobile grows continuously.
    If what we are waiting for is for the iPhone or android market to erode they are waiting for people to stop using the pc they have to use in school or work that is is provided to them while the mobile paradigm has taken over, with the great absence of windows due to the lack of consistency and for being CHEAP. For not investing heavily on a vision but going so cautiously it has ostracised it's own base tired of buggy phones (after dismantling Nokia) and a buggy OS. Each update keeps bringing new headaches and the app gap keeps widening.
    How expensive is to write and support an app for a third party that is so widely popular that has become and issue as sale point. There are just a few which most people miss but make the difference while buying. How expensive is it to publicize the great features of the phones... It is not just looks and word-of-mouth that are going to level the time to catch up with ios and android. Most people don't even know of the existence of wp, UWP or w10m. Let alone the timid beta iris recognition, nfc, rapid charge, 20mp ios cam, etc...
  • Don't under estimate Microsoft. At WinHEC 2016, Microsoft announces Windows 10 64 on ARM Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU that can run adobe Photoshop on a netbook. Qualcomm representative at the last moment quick introduce Windows 10 OS on a Microsoft Phone. That might be a future surface phone that can run photoshop with HDMI connection or a simple touch screen netbook Shell. So by then, which phone is more useful and flexible that can hold way more apps? That is not a phone, It will be in Microsoft Surface family. should it named "Surface Dial".
  • Always the mirage of the surface phone... Then all that was done is lost. Let's start at 0 with that illusion that for the fact of being named Surface will not cease to be an illusion...
  • Thats a great name for the surface phone...surface illusion or mirage. It will never be real!
  • Hmm, not quite, it will be real in a sort of a form...but not as fanboys here dream of. It does not matter, devs won't return anyway to a platform that is ran by a company which is not able to offer minimum of trust and respect, let alone quality.
  • it will be a tablet...not a phone. 7" screen I predict.
  • Lordtree good analogy....MIRAGE. The windows phone fanboys see it shimmering in the distance.....but every mile they walk, they get no closer, and its all still just sand. Meanwhile the smart people who have moved on to IOS and Android, are sitting at the lakeside, feet up, drinking (drink of choice), enjoying the sun and warm breeze...
  • Re: Steve Adams,
    ... while fixating non-stop on your phone.
  • At least my phone has the apps etc to fixate on!!!!!....but no, I do NOT fixate on my phone....ANYWHERE. I use it as a tool....not as a personality. I turn it off when we are gone camping, hiking, snowboarding, snowshoeing, mtn biking...etc... I actually get outdoors.....
  • Two Options are not much of a choice. Especially when those two force feed down your throat. Americans always take the easy path and call it smart. Take going to the Supermarket to buy poultry. All you get is bleached and radiated chicken and turkey. Sometimes you want something different and tasty, like duck or goose. These means going to live poultry shop or other source to get it. However most Americans don't even know what a live poultry shop is. Apple or Google...take it or leave it...I rather go look for something more interesting, and yes interesting may carry risks.
  • Re: badtzbuzz,
    Very good points. I too prefer something more interesting.
  • I feel bad for you badtzbuzz....Our local grocery stores have both fresh duck and goose....but I prefer to go kill my duck or goose in the wild....much better tasting. Your analogy does not make sense. there are more choices, but none of them are as good as apple or android.....we will say windows 10 mobile devices are like buying at mcdonalds value meal....its food, its ok, but it is not nutritious or healthy, where as apple is like a great meal from a personal chef, it tastes amazing, its very healthy but its expensive. I know which I prefer. and it's NOT McDs!
  • That is also a terrible analogy and reduces the differences between mobile OSs to something far simpler than it really is.  Differences aside, the biggest challenge that Microsoft has yet to overcome even with their rebirth is getting noticed by a sufficiently large enough number of people.  They built it, but no where near enough people came.  An empty ballfield doesn't pay the bills.   - Microsoft fan and former mobile user
  • when MS reboots too many times, and does not give a damn about realistic feedbacks from devs especially...no one cares about their another rebirth.
  • You are wrong, Mr. Adams. Once again, the issue is biased. Precisely, in terms of objectivity. One can find Mc Donald's more appealing over fancy food and vice versa. For example, I had plenty of what some call good meals, but honestly find them forgettable. Unlike Big Mac... Once in a while I prefer the fast, convenient and subjectively memorable "fix". Just like Windows 10 for phones. I prefer it not because of third party support, but because of the OS foundation. Fast, sleek and different while still extremely usable...from my perspective that is. So, please, do not assume the needs of others based on your personal choices. Enjoy your fancy meals.
  • I could agree with you if we would be talking about WP8.1. Windows 10 Mobile is nothing near the terms: fast, reliable, stable. Simply sliding to the left from the Home Screen to the Apps List will lag...slide slowly and you will see the screen moving only when your finger reaches the half part of the display...if this is how they designed it, sorry but MS really has an IQ problem.
  • I am sorry lucktr, I was basing my food analogy on overall things like HEALTHLINESS of the food....might want to watch fast food nation sometime. I was a super fan of windows 8.1 mobile it was awesome...10....crap!
  • Why doesn't Microsoft step in to help developers write apps meaning their platform would grow. Why do we have to see the big apps such as snapchat and others not on the platform. We also see apps no longer supporting windows mobile such as SmartThings and Geocaching telling us they don't think it is feasible. The only app I know that isn't third party that is constantly evolving and trying to stay on par with their iOS and android counterparts is Fitbit. They recently started signup for a new beta app with GATT support allowing notifications shortly after it was implemented in a insider build. This to me is how it should be done. The other option is they just do nothing because it is "effort". What do you think?
  • ITs dead phones nobody uses them, others will follow 5 gone i know i liked now.
  • I have been using SmartThings for a couple years and just upgraded to the gen 2. I opened a ticket with them about the app logging me out regularly. They added me to the known issue ticket. I am so disappointed. I have been promoting SmartThings to friends. I might just have to hand down my gen 2 to an Iphone friend. I have looked at Vera as an alternative. My wife says when are you going to give up on Windows Phone. I still like the phone but this was a big blow to my daily life.
  • Listen to your wife, until MS gets clarity on what it wants to do with consumer mobile space.
  • They went from barely updating the dang app to claiming to want to update at least once a month and now not at all.  Lord. Unfortunately, once Microsoft announced (what we knew was coming) their shift to enterprise, I switched platforms.  Loyal user since the Samsung Focus days, but they need to settle on what they want.  In the meantime I'll settle for the iPhone waiting for an offering behind which they will support vigorously and unabashedly.
  • :))) pathetic platform.
  • Anyway, have watched the demise of windows mobile for some time now but have moved to android with an s7edge and totally delighted with it so I have for sale the following without going into too many details as to why.
    One Nokia 1520 unlocked, virtually like new in red, cased in a very expensive leather case from day one, very lightly used, all accessories' boxed. I bought this online mid 2015 from a company in Finland, the case will be included in the sale. Running 10, but only briefly running on fast ring then reset to production. Treated with care and completely free from any defects, battery life is brilliant. Then, Nokia 950 xl in black, again virtually like new, only made 19 calls in It's short 'Switched on ' life, it was confined mostly to my office drawer, personally speaking a total disaster of a phone and wholly unreliable . All accessories' including box, headset etc never used, this about a year old now. Again unlocked.
    I'm putting these on eBay very soon, I'm based in the uk. I'll be trying to get rid locally first before I post them up.
    Not sure if this is the right thread to post this to but I'm sure I'll be informed if not.
    Seriously everyone on here, Windows is going nowhere and 10 will always be beta, always, therefore It's no surprise That so many excellent developers' are walking away. It could be good but not under current leadership, and this Simply won't change, It's sad to read the negatives on windows central and indeed no surprise.
    Yes you can come back at me and say there's no security in android etc etc, let me assure you, the invasive nature of windows 10 will be revealed any time soon, but it's important to learn that nothing digital based on internet is secure,nothing, the are no exceptions. What you and i have in our pockets is basically a tracking device which can snoop on every aspect of or lives, you just use it wisely!!!
  • So I am a Microsoft employee and I personally use the Home Remote app. It is a clean UI and even with Samsung dropping support for Windows Phone, Home Remote still works beautifully. I have also reached out for adding support for certain devices I have and it was promptly added. So even if there isn't full support on whatever devices you own, they will get on adding it! I recommend them based on my personal use!
  • Uh
  • An update was released today (v 1.7.28140.0) with a lot of UI refinements, and according to release note, fix the for (extremly anoying) logout issue. Are we sure they are killing the Windows app or just the Windows PHONE app ?
  • I noticed the same thing when I went to the app today. Definitely looks more like a Windows 10 app UI now. Maybe they're just gonna pull support for Windows Phone 8. Which would make complete sense considering that platform is dead.
  • Oups duplicate :/
  • Oups duplicate :/