File this under wishful thinking, but The Information, a new tech website founded by former Wall Street Journal reporter Jessica Lessin, is reporting that Sony and Microsoft are in talks for a new Windows Phone next year. The report cites an unnamed but trusted source on the matter, though they note that nothing is yet signed between the companies.
Should such a deal come forward, it will reportedly fall under Sony’s VAIO brand, which has seen modest success in the Windows 8 world. Sony used to make reasonably successful Windows Mobile devices, and they were on board with Windows Phone 7, back when Microsoft announced the OS in Barcelona in early 2010. In fact, Sony Ericsson had the ‘Jolie’ prototype circulating before backing out at the last minute.
Sony Ericsson 'Jolie' Windows Phone 7 prototype (2010)
Since that time, Sony has always said the door was open to make another Windows Phone device, but at least back in March of 2012, they said “no one really cares about WP”.
Could Sony be re-thinking their strategy? Since Windows Phone was never off of the table and Sony makes Windows PCs, it’s always a possibility. But until something is signed, these talks may not too significant as we imagine Microsoft routinely pushes Windows Phone to OEMs when Windows 8 licensing comes up. Still, if it were to happen it would generally be regarded as a big win, even if future-owned Nokia currently controls 92% of the Windows Phone market.
In the same report, ZTE is considered to be another player that Microsoft wants to reinvigorate with Windows Phone, in addition to the reduction or even dropping of licensing fees that has previously been reported. ZTE only last month was cited to be returning to Windows Phone in 2014, so that’s not really news at this point.
The timing would suggest that both companies – Sony and ZTE – are waiting for Windows Phone 8.1, which is expected to launch on new hardware in June. That "big push" by Microsoft would be an opportune time for new OEMs to launch their new hardware, catching the wave of free publicity.
For now, we’ll just remain skeptical, as we’ve heard this story before. While we don't doubt talks are taking place, we are cautious about it meaning anything.
Source: The Information; via: Engadget; Thanks, everyone, for the tips
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Yes please!!! I hope we get a Playstation App as well!
This takes me back to my first smartphone: The Xperia X1. Back in the day when Apple was conquering the phone-landscape Sony and others turned to MS for the first time. MS had a real shot when Sony, Samsung and others turned to their WM6.1/6.5 to run on their so called iPhone-killers.
Unfortunately WM was horribly outdated. It ran terribly on Sony hardware (much worse then on the HTCs some of my friends had). Hopefully a new partnership will lead to better devices. At least this time around WP8 is fast and smooth.
Good to see Microsoft make money off Sony brand while Xbox uses bluray. I hate Sony, but its a nice way to get some money back for using bluray
Hate is such a powerful word. Sony has made a lot of nice devices over the years and they're not bad sports either. While I prefer Xbox over PS and Lumia over Xperia I think Sony is a great competitor. Besides big companies hold all kinds of patents. I'm sure Microsoft is getting its Blu-Ray money back via Xperia (Android) sales.
oh god! lovely.
xperia line is the only thing that i love among android phones. looks really stunning, but still not gonna buy it though. lumia forever! :P
I hope this pans out. Hardware diversity is a beautiful thing, even with Nokia running things as far as the WP8 market goes, a couple more high end devices from other OEMs would be a step in the right direction.
So, I'm actually considering this as my next Windows Phone. My contract just ended, so now I'm just waiting until April's Build conference, and we'll see what happens I guess. With rumor being that Samsung's WP is Verizon only, then this Sony seems very possible.
I'm most interested in the screen and camera. But, I guess whatever T-Mobile shoves out will be my next.
HI really dislike Sony quality, I prefer Xbox over Playstation, and overall I think Sony is crap. BUT I would be the first one in line for that Sony in the picture, or any Windows Phone 8 with a real keyboard.
I would give a high end WP Sony device a try. But their Android devices are forgettable... Too many basic features missing.
Yep! Sony's hardware is top notch. It is almost a pain to see android lagging on such beautiful sculpture that is xperia z
Oh man I really hope its true !
I always wanted a Sony Windows Phone device since the Xperia X1 came out !
A Sony Windows Phone with their Arc-Series or Omni-Series Design language , Camera & Screen Technology would be gorgeous !
Loving my Xperia Z but but my next phone will definately be a Nokia Windows phone BUT if this turns out to be true for Sony then I'll will consider their Windows Phone as well. As long as WalkMan, PlayStation Mobile and the Playsation Companion App are ported also..
I might be interested in Sony's WPs but then again, I'm more interested in what Microsoft has to offer.
This ^
Waw
F*ck yeah. High hopes here Sony. Do eeeeeeeeeet.
So they will finally make a smarttv app for WP/surface/W8.1?
This would be interesting if anything come out of it. If Sony releases a WP handset, I'd consider it heavily for my next puerchase.
Yes.... Yes yes and yes!!!
xperia z1 with wp8 very good
http://i.imgur.com/Jj3VeBn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oev7uPy.jpg
This is how Microsoft and windows phone can make progress......let 'em have their ps4 hub and me my xb1 hub. As long as Microsoft continues to bring good exclusives they will be fine. Just sell phones
WP 8.1 on/for new hardware, so then older devices like 820 or 920 wont get it ? Once Sony comes htc will follow suite.
I will still prefer Nokia Lumia because of good customer service they provide. I remember once Sony people kept my cellphone to fix and returned after 3 months.
the best part is if sony join wp device, we will be having a waterproof phone wp8 'k
I think they join wp with dual os because it's right the time wp support on-screen buttons. It's risky to jump on wp where nokia has been so much monopoly.
Sounds like a great idea!
Wow if true this is really exciting!
I'm loving Nokia too much to even consider getting a Sony phone.
Except Nokia will be gone soon. Who will you turn to, then? Microsoft? You may. The majority won't.
My friend has a Sony Z1 that's just been updated to Spydroid 4.3.2.1.blastoff lol Think I will stick to WP8...wether Nokia or MS, the Lumia range is far better than Sony, imho.
for some reasons IDK but i'm not impressed or intrested to see what Sony,lg or even Samdung will bring to table however that been said having them on WP OEM team isn't bad it will gave WP a boost
Here's hoping they bring back the keyboard.
Cool, considering I'm a PS fan.
No thanks. Sony Ericsson WinMo was one of the worst in terms of product support (X1 and X2) despite their astronomical price tags. We all know that they are struggling in Android landscape, and I sincerely hope they would just quit producing phones like its ex-partner. MS should not give them a shot at WP. They never believed in it.
I agree with you the X1 hardware was horrible especially the keyboard it didn't last long.
I want a Sony phone, love the quality of the xperia's
I love the Sony android phones. Design and build quality are great. Would be thrilled to see WP8 on a device like the Z1 or ZU. Even a Windows RT version of the Tablet Z would rock.
Sony smart tv running Windows could work
It would be very interesting...Even if the PlayStation is outselling the Xbox One, MS would be making money out of Sony...very interesting indeed.
You are aware that Sony makes Windows PCs and tablets and has for decades, right?
I know you don't really care Daniel, which kinda blows my mind, but you guys seriously need to proofread your articles. How much time can it take??
Nice! I always loved the design and special features of sony phones, but i just couldn't stay with android and WP8 just came out at those days, sadly there weren't any decent nokia phone in my country yet so i grabbed htc 8s, it's kinda cool but won't ever be as cool as Nokia/Sony phones.
forget naming it after their pc line how about bringing back the CLIÉ brand name instead
name it after Sam Fisher or whoever from Splinter Cell to show how cool a toy it is. Remember the P900? And 007 uses Sony phones too
"Wishful thinking"? I couldn't care less about Sony.
I would love to see a Windows Phone from Sony. Their Xperia line is very elegant, I love their hardware!
Sony has a lot to gain by making a Windows Phone.
1. Europe, particularly UK, is a pretty strong market for Sony (especially PlayStation). At the same time, it is also the market where Windows Phone is seeing strong growth and support. Sony has a chance here to capitalize on the millions of future Windows Phone users in UK/Europe by linking them to Sony services. They can basically use Windows Phone as a means to compete with Microsoft's services, potentially even Xbox (by providing PlayStation apps for Windows Phone).
2. Besides Nokia, Sony is really the only other OEM with considerable eco-system support in the form of well-known services and products. I'm sure many prospective WP buyers will be allured by exclusive Sony games and features on their phones.
3. If WP licensing costs are going down/free and if Windows Phone 8.1 does away with hardware requirements such as capacitive buttons, then the risk of supporting WP would be quite minimal, and pay-offs reasonable.
True. Not to mention they will be capitalizing on the disappearance of Nokia. With that, many many users of Nokia will need another OEM with a good reputation. Sony stands in a very good light for us in Europe.
Last Sony i have is Sony Ericsson G700. If it not dropped on taxi and gone, i'm not switch to Lumia 710 back then. First phone i bought with my money i earn from work, last very long. Ahhh memories..
I lost interest in Sony. It seems it's all about Nokia at this moment, and even of Sony makes a WP device it better come out with Sony only apps.
I loved Sony when I used android. They had the best camera at the time with the Sony xperia x10. I am not sure if I will drop Nokia for Sony though. I used to love HTC and I refuse to use their phones. But Sony might be able to tempt me because they do make lovely hardware and their cameras are great as well.
Good news! I love Sony.
14 will be a huge year for windows phone.
Waterproof and Playstation controller support would probably be features of their flagship
Haven't been a fan of Sony for a better part of a decade. I've always been drawn to the Nokia devices when purchasing a phone in the past. However, I welcome a Sony WP device. I'd like to see what they would do. Could be pretty awesome.
It would be cool if it was a PlayStation certified phone. Then we could get the best of both platforms on one device.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen. Last thing Microsoft is gunna do is pop the Windows Phone branding on a frikkin PlayStation phone lol.
Just arrange for Htc One with Windows phone! Make it happen Microsoft. If I can't have the 920 or 1520 get me the 3rd best thing!
Call me a cynic, but if Sony make a WP device again, my bet is that it'll be an insult (low-end) device in comparison to what they put out for Android.
I haven't really thought about that, I guess it's possible.
I can see how that would be an insult but at the same time, the low end devices like the 520/521 are selling extremely well and are pushing the growth of WP. Another low end device IMO would help increase that growth.
Design one phone and support it, instead of designing a bunch of phones and forget them. I'd love to see their hardware, but shudder to think of another OEM dropping off because of lack of support.
I hope this is true. If more OEM'S make W8Phones then Nokia will have to deliver High end phones to other carriers. I'm sick of my puny 925 on Tmo. I want a 5.5 to 6 inch screen ASAP. Come February my jump comes up at Tmo. I need a viable W8Phone option..
I feel your pain not having the same Nokia Windows Phone gadget like the 1520 on T-Mobile, but Tmobile is a cheap bitch.
Love Sony! Most of my desktop and laptops have been VAIOs.
So if it has expandable storage, will it only work with Sony's proprietary Memory Stick? [shudder] OTOH, another OEM is a good thing.
Xperias have expandable memory and doesn't require proprietary stuff. So it shouldn't happen on WP either.
I would be interested
It would be sensible to hedge your bets when WP is seeing good growth. No harm having Microsoft as a friendly partner too.
Sony's Android efforts are seeing decent growth as well, and they are still outselling all of WP, while selling mostly high end phones (where WP growth atm is mostly 520, which is likely losing them money in the states).
I hope Sony joins WP, we need more variety (I say 'we', but I jumped ship).
My friend has a Sony Z1 that's just been updated to Spydroid 4.3.2.1.blastoff lol Think I will stick to WP8...
I just want the PlayStation App.
You know its gonna be exclusive to them right ?
Proxy trick until popular demand forces Sony to make it appear in other phones.
:D you are thinking ahead
Awesome!!! I would love to see some Sony WP hardware.
Nokia already makes phones that are almost perfect. Really, the only thing I miss hardware wise on my 920 is a notification light. Although AT&T insistence that nokia not have built in Qi charging is chafing me quite a bit as a I thing about what my next phone will be. But still, it will be hard for any company to break in to the WP market.
The other problem of course is that no competitor can actually fix the shortcomings of Windows phone that keeps consumer away. Only Microsoft can. Nokia's done their best to create value-adds and workarounds, but WP 8.1 has to catch the platform up to Android and iOS for long term success.
Your right about the software, MS needs to step up with WP 8.1 if they want to see continued growth.
Funny; I loathed the annoying notification lights on my old Android phone! Much prefer my Nokia now, but especially will with the glance screen notifications.
There's a great android app, Light Flow, that lets you take control over the light and assign different colors to different programs. It was amazingly convenient to tell what type of notification it was by color alone. Since I switched, they've actually added blink patterns to make it better.
Yeah, see, you're not getting what I'm saying. You're taking a "feature" that I hated because I found it annoying and intrusive and then making it even more annoying and intrusive, requiring a cheat sheet to keep track of all the different colors and blinking patterns. No thanks.
No new Windows Phone hardware until June? That's got to hurt Microsoft. :/
Six months is a long time. The competition is not ready either except HTC. They will be first in the race with a new device in 2014.
How do you know this? And hopefully it'll be for T-Mobile!
I mean any phone like Android. HTC be the first show off the One's successor.
Nokia will present new hardware at MWC (if they don't do it already at CES. It's possible but unlikely)
I hope so! Waiting til June would suck! Got a Z30 so now I can play with two OS's while I wait for a new high-end Windows Phone. Preferably a quad-core and 1080p display! :) Do love my Lumia 925 though!
It should be called Xperia X3. It would be the third version of the proper Xperia not the spydroid fake.
It's gonna be under the VAIO brand
My friend has a Sony Z1 that's just been updated to Spydroid 4.3.2.1.blastoff lol Think I will stick to WP8...
As far as I am concerned I will be happy if this is not true.
Although it would be extremely hilarious seeing people eargning Xbox Achievements in a Sony device, haha.
Well they do that with their Windows 8 Devices
Oh you're right. Didn't think about that. OK, never mind my 'hilarious' scenario. :P
Two for one- PS and Xbox hub.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Make.Believe
Nice. Good one.
One of my favorite phones, 1st after the old flip clamshell. Sony Ericsson W810i. I miss being able to cycle through music and make calls without looking at the screen.
WP better not go down the fragmentation drain like android.
That's true.
Microsoft should stop producing Lumias, becaiuse they are causing fragmentation. In the WP7 times there was no Lumias and no fragmentations. Then Nokia requested difrent screan resolution, some stupid camera or wireless charging by wired charger and other crazy things, yet they failed to deliver device with HD AMOLED, microSD and removable battery.
Nokia did not request for different resolutions, its because that WP7 was way behind its time and there were already 720p screens out. They introduced 720p because of its aspect ratio of a perfect 16:9 and is a consumer favorite. WXGA was chosen because it had an aspect ratio of 15:9, same as WVGA, so apps run normally without black bars. Camera and Wireless Charging has nothing to do with Windows Phone. Its done by the OEM. Microsoft only makes Windows Phone OS. What phones Nokia makes has nothing to do with Microsoft and fragmentation, Fragmentation is done by MS and is limited. An OS without fragmentation is utterly ridiculous, you would have a lack of variety. Even iOS has fragmentation. If you want a HD AMOLED device, microSD and removable battery, go for the ATIV S.
Sheesh get your facts right
The only real fragmentation exists in the form of WP 7/7.5 devices and 512 MB entry level WP 8 devices
I'm sorry that is stupid. Every windows phone 7 Device was nearly the same exact phone with very little differentiation. Nearly all the same size and same camera quality.
Windows phone 8 isn't fragmented just because it offers variety. And there is a reason that windows phone 8 is doing much better than windows phone 7.
There is no fragmentation. At least not the way you are thinking. This is not android type of fragmentation.
Make a water resistant windows phone like xperia
I would really love a Sony windows phone. Maybe it will just be a dual boot on their current android phones?
Qwerty, I miss you!
+10000 That !!
Yes.
Happy new year Daniel and everyone!!!
Happy new year!
The more the merrier.
Sony ftw!!!
This. Is huge news. A viable competitor to Nokia
Well, it might be a growth possibility for them. If they can have the same hardware and choice of two OS's, then unsold units could be swapped over. Besides, they could have amazing exclusive games in their portfolio :)
Now this is interesting...maybe, just MAYBE, I won't leave WP after all... And Sony HAS TO license Nokia's PureView tech. With that, they'll have perfect phones, both on Android and on WP.
Also this is a clever move. Sony knows people in general don't trust Microsoft. So they stand in the place of seriously replacing Nokia as the top WP vendor. Not to mention that Microsoft can't do to Sony what they did with Nokia and the Eflop Trojan. So they're safe to demand Microsoft for more.
How is Microsoft not trusted in hardware? The only hardware they make is the Xbox and the Surface, which are high quality....
Yeah, agree with CarpetCleanera. If anything, I trust MS more than anyone else in hardware since they make the software.
No they are not. Microsoft sells a ton of hardware. Here is a nice little list :)
http://gizmodo.com/5954709/every-single-microsoft-device-ever
Lol I know they make other hardware but they are mostly accessories for PCs, tablets, and other hardware. Microsoft also made Zune but the Zune failed because the lack of features not of hardware malfunctions.
Actually Zune failed because they failed to market it properly and they also forgot that there's a world outside the US that would have bought it as well. At least they learned from that and released WP7 in a market that cared first!!
Thank you. That is very true too.
Microsoft has long made, hands down, the best keyboards and mice in the business.
I agree there. The natural keyboard line is top notch.
I'm talking in image trust. Microsoft still has a huge image problem.
As for their hardware...I now disagree. My Surface died unexpectedly after only 6 months. Far for high quality. And I also had problems with their webcams in the recent past. The only Microsoft hardware I never had problems with was keyboards and mouses.
Yeah, that's fine if you had a bad experience with them and don't trust them. That's perfectly acceptable. You just said that people have a problem (although now I know you mean image, not hardware) and since the surface is the most popular windows tablet, that should show that their hardware perception is above others.
Trust is not the same thing as image. You can not judge a book by its cover. Lol. Microsoft's image doesn't not relate to them being a bad hardware company. I never had problems with my Surface and Xbox 360. Mouses and keyboards are mostly the only hardware Microsoft makes, excluding the Surface, Xbox, and now mobile devices. Lol
Microsoft's software and hardware sales bringing in billions would disagree with you thinking people don't trust them.
Software is what brings Microsofts millions. Not hardware.
You are one seriously confused person, lol.
dude...... that's a little bit odd. MS is MUCH more powerful than Sony. plus I wouldn't go far as not trusting MS. more like they're pretty old.
More powerful than Sony? Are you sure? You may want to rethink that. Don't forget Sony isn't just Xperia phones and Playstations. They have film industries, music industries, TVs, PCs, players etc etc. Sony is by far larger and more powerful than Microsoft and have a larger reach. They're just not American ;P
I've said it above, I was referring to MSs image problems when I said trust.
That is true. Over the years though, they have faced stiff competition, especially electronics. Sony is not the leader in innovation as the my once were.
I guess it depends on what you mean by powerful. MS is worth more publically based on market cap than Sony, which is how I base it.
I'm measuring power by their ability to reach and influence various sectors. Sony has a vast influence over more areas than Microsoft. Power resides in the ability to influence in the backstage more than in the ranking in the stock exchange ;)
You are way past delusional at this point.
I almost spit my tea on my phone reading that. Might want to research a bit on that.
The dreamy world you live in. Can I get invited in?
Sure. Leave the mushrooms. Head to Google, type in some stuff. Welcome. ;D
You need to leave for some time and join the google camp. We use Bing here. ;)
I don't.
I love Bing. Bing it on Sony!
You should. It's better.
I have. Its not.
Try again: http://www.bingiton.com/
I have used this already and guess what...
Do it again, then tell me the 5 terms you searched for because I want to try it out the same way. I really want to see what you think is better about Google because every time I do it, Bing wins (and that's before you remember that the real Bing has Zero page search, supplementary Social Media results, Bing Rewards, and isn't spying on you; throw that all in and it's a landslide).
It doesn't matter how many times I use it. I do t care. Too many times Google pulls up the results I'm looking for that Bing doesn't. Big deal. Life moves on. Just because I love WP doesn't mean I can't use other services. Get over it. Some dumb test algorithm does not measure up to real every day use.
Not everyone. I can bet you not even the folks jn charge of WPCentral use Bing exclusively ;)
Speak for yourself.
So when is this DJCB character finally finally finally leaving!!!
Off topic, but It's Elop's 50th birthday today.
Dude you've been leaving Windows phone since WP7. all you enjoy is trolling. A couple of months ago, were going to Apple.....leave already
Might be my next option once Microsoft's demolition of Nokia is complete.
Get that freak outta here, Nokia has been one the outs ever since they let Apple over take them just like BlackBerry did.
Awesome news cant wait to see what happens next!!!!
Ps4 app would be nice
I'd be more inclined to believe an app is coming over a phone.
The more OEMs the better
So far, only Nokia it seems. With Sony on board, these two would be unstoppable.
Unstoppable? Do people even buy Sony phones? I want WP to succeed as much as the next guy buy I don't think Sony could do much to help.
Not in the united states, hence the press release about pulling out of mobile market a while back. Well, that was for Android market so maybe they're attempting to gain some market with WP platform.
They didn't said they were pulling out of the mobile market in the US. They said they would not waste time with a market that didn't care about them and would prefer to spend time nurturing Europe and Japan where they are cherished. That's what Nokia should have done too IMO.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-sold-a-record-10-million-Xperia-smar.... There is a world bigger than ignorance
Well we will have to wait until windows phone 8.1 is announced to confirm this unless it gets announced early
Would love to see how Sony designs their windows phone as a change is always welcome and i always loved their designs.
Sony can require that all the Xbox Live enabled games on WP loose this feature when become available on their phones... :P
Make it work for PSN Trophies?
Having Xbox live and PSN on a WP would be awesome.
If they replace Xbox with PSN Trophies I'm fine with that. Actually, since I'm a PS guy, that would be even better.
Because of Walkman generations still remember how cool it was to own Sony
There's something about Sony that people are just excited about when it to WP. What is it?
I have NO idea. I just don't get it either. Years of successful consumer branding?
I think that's exactly what it is. Sony is one of the oldest and most recognized brands in the consumer electronics market.
The "well recognized brand" has not helped their Android cause. When it comes to WP, news just viral. You'll see every tech sight buzzing about it.
The only reason I'd be excited for a Sony Windows Phone is that it would mean that WP8 could finally launch in Japan. Currently they're stuck on WP7 with no new devices sold for years because of the Japanese market's restrictive policies. Having a domestic OEM would open the door. It shouldn't be that way, but such is the jingoistic Japanese market.
Agreed!
For me, the 15 year old Sony ES (Elite Series) home theater gear that is still going strong, and gives a lot of new gear a run for its money (i use it to run our Xbox 360). Sony still puts out great music gear, the biggest area where WP is lacking.
Honestly for me its the hardware :P I have a vaio PC f series from 2009 and it has never let me down once and the hardward has with stood alot and is still kicking hard like the day I got it that's why I want a Sony windows phone
It's because Sony was Apple before there was Apple... without the douchy fan-love.
For years and years, if you wanted something truly revolutionary with a "sexy" design- it was a Sony.
Not saying we all secretly love Apple- far from it. Just saying Sony has a reputation for building really cool, really cool-looking products. Would love to have them in the WP fold.
Sony is the only brand that comes close to Nokia quality-wise and camera-wise.
You must be joking lol, Sony's quality in pretty every all of their products other than the PS brand has gone to shit in the last 10-15 years, mostly because they got cheap and outsourced a lot of their previously in-house built parts, like TV screens. Sony may have been synomous with quality in the 80's and early 90's but not they are synonmous with crap.
I've been using Sony products for years and I still do. None has ever given me problems whatsoever. So your opinion is your own and your statements are based on your experience alone (I hope you're speaking from personal experience).
I'll say this: no Sony product ever died on me after 6 just months. My Surface did.
My opinion is based on the fact that Sony went from leading the market to trailing the market in pretty much all of the industries they are in. Sony outsources too much now to be able to easily control quality, which is why their TV screens went to shit years back, while they got surpassed by Panasonic, Samsung, and Sharp. Since Sony and Ericsson split it seems like the quality of their phones are starting to drop too, not surprising really.
I respectfully disagree with pretty much all your statements UNLESS you're thinking only about the US market. In Europe not only Sony is a top vendor on TVs and laptops, but their Xperia phones are also very popular.
And of course, there's the music and film industry and the Playstation. And the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One worldwide. So...again...I disagree with you. Also, have you tried any Xperia to say that? Because I have and I never felt unsafe with its quality (even though I would prefer polycarbonate to tempered glass).
Typical fanboy trying to turn it into a vs. argument. Who cares if it is outselling the X1, they are both PoS's right now with their own issues, including quality. And the Music/Film industry, which they are well known for making dick moves and are generally disliked? Sony once ruled consumer electronics but their empire has since fallen apart and it is generally due to a lack of quality in comparison to previous products. In pretty much every industry they are in they are trailing the pack, and that is certianly not due to excellent quality. Their products work, that is about it, they don't fail on a regular basis but they aren't of exceptional quality either.
Why am I arguing with you? Think what you like. If you want to believe in unicorns, go ahead.
And have a happy 2014.
I was thinking the same, and I am a large part Scottish..of course I believe in Unicorns :P
And same to you.
DJCBS is anything but a fanboy. I have read enough of his posts to know that much. The reason Sony lost market share was not because they outsourced. It was because the Koreans started selling TV Sets that were 90% as good at 50% the price. You always need a bread-winner line to support your premium line. Sony lost that when the Koreans joined the party. Their drop in quality and outsourcing is actually what kept them afloat this long. They are still innovators in the high end unlike Samsung and LG.
As for your comments about the Playstation line losing quality, I really have no idea what you are talking about. After having owned and used multiple playstations spanning several genertions, they are still the de-facto standard for hardware in that respect. You shouldn't be comparing a Playstation with its predecessor. What you should be doing is comparing it against its competition at the time to determine "relative" quality and innovation.
@DJCBS. Now your credibility has sunk to the abyss and I don't believed you ever bought Surface. I have had nine different computers since 2003 and seven of them have been Sony. I own Sony Bravia 3D TV and Iam a proud owner of a long list of Sony cameras including Dsc Tx 100v, NEX 5R and A7. Apart from my Bose home theater speakers everything in my living room is basically Sony and Iam not ashamed to be called Sony fanboy but non of my numerous products from Sony can be compared to my Surface Pro and Surface. I bought Sony Vaio T on Cyber Monday 2012 and that ultra has gone to Sony Repair Center 3 times. I got tired of it and I just got Viao Duo 13 and Iam already having problems with the NFC and the Stylus. Apart from the initial issues I had with the Surface's touch cover I have never had any issue whatsoever with any of my Surface tablets and it's evidently clear that Surface is much more Superior in build quality to any Sony computer ever built. I grew up with Sony all around me and I have become so accustomed and loyal to their branding but to thrash Surface in preference for Sony is something I can never accept.
As if I needed to prove you anything...
I had nothing but good things to say about the Surface until that happened. I didn't say I was going to buy a Sony tablet (though I may check the upcoming Z1 tablet). Fact is, my Surface lasted 6 months. My Sonys (and Nokias for that matter) all last longer. Simple.
The fact that you still own a lot of Sony products kind of proves his point anyway.
I own Sony earphones, Bravia TV, and a Vaio laptop. While the earphones aren't actually broken, the thing that loops around the ears broke off. And my Duo 11 has gone to a service center 1 month before warranty would be void, that was lucky. The TV is doing just fine after over a year. But I still love all of them. I really like the sound quality of their earphones but I can't use it outside now (it's supposed to be for active sports so WTH Sony?), but I still use it at home. Still use my laptop. And TV was on for days on end during the holidays with no problems. Oh, I have an Xperia as well but I hate it (Xperia Pro), but I'd buy a new one if Nokia didn't exist.
The thing is... it's Sony.. so it's... Sony. Their service is good here, too.
I'd also like to point out that even some Surface units had problems. There were just much more Sony products in the wild that one Surface fail seems unbelievable.
It's generally understood that Japanese manufacturers have declined in quality in recent years due to outsourcing and getting away with it because of the reputation their brand carries. It's also generally understood that Taiwanese and Korean manufacturers have slowly been taking their market share the same way Sony came up.
So your experience negates someone else's experience? Every Sony product I've ever owned from CD players to Playstations to laptops have/had issues. Products from the late 80s to mid-2000s. I treat everything I own with great care too, so dont say Im am ogre. Ive had products, plural, broken right out of the box. Great that you had no problems, doesn't change my experience nor will change my mind. There's whole sites and Facebook fan pages with names like "Sony Sucks". Your not wrong, bit neither am I.
The ONLY point of interest to me about a Sony Windows Phone is the possibility of having exclusive PS games... Might be enough to overlook my bad history with them.
Agree 100%. Since my first (dumbest purchase ever) of a Sony Vaio desktop around 2003, I have refused to touch another Sony product since. I spent a ridiculous amount of money on that thing and trashed it within 6 months. Build quality was crap, days removing bloat ware and non existent support ruined my faith in the brand name forever. My ex wife's daughter did own a PSP and it spent most of its days with the system locked up or a constant format.
+100000000000000 agreed, sony is trash nowadays. hooking up with microsoft would only help them get their act together.
I'm with you on the noticeable decline in Sony device quality, the Ps3 and 4 are super shoddy, it even seemed as if the PS2 had a predetermined lifespan of around 1.5 years
I agree. Sony is the only brand of phone I would buy besides Nokia.
Sony Ericsson days produced some of the most beautiful looking phones.
Hell the Xperia line they got right AFAIK are some of the best designed phone. Their hardware is very much on par now a days with their phone line up. The Z1 is one of the most innovative phone out. Hands down. I would love their hardware as a WP.
Exactly. I had the p1 it was a great phone.
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