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Here is why Surface Duo is better than the Galaxy Z Fold 2 ... at multitasking

Z Fold2 Vs Surfaceduo
Z Fold2 Vs Surfaceduo (Image credit: Android Central / Windows Central)

Microsoft's Surface Duo and Samsung's Galaxy Z Fold 2 appear to be very similar on paper, but in reality, they are radically different devices. The Fold 2 is an Android tablet that folds to become a smaller phone, while Surface Duo is a thin Android phone with two displays.

But what does that difference get you for functionality? YouTube tech reviewer Erica Griffin did what I would argue is the best task-oriented direct comparison between these two "folding" devices. While it is easy to make it a spec contest, Griffin's video drives home the advantages that dual displays bring to multitasking (while also highlighting what the Fold 2 excels at).

The question about dual screens versus foldable will rage on, but the reality is this: they both offer unique and differing advantageous functionality. Which you think is better comes down to personal preference. Do you want to do more side-by-side work, or do you enjoy one large display for consumption?

The hard part for most consumers these days is accepting that "smartphones" can be as unique and specific as the world of PCs. Up until 2020, smartphones were all variants of single-screen slab design — the same designs we've had since 2007. Toss in an OS, improve the camera, do something funky to the display, and that is it.

Now, for the first time, tech enthusiasts are grappling with multiple mobile devices with specific and sometimes niche functionality. Laptops are like this, too, with 360-hinge convertibles, workstations, 17-inch gaming laptops, thin clients, Ultrabooks, media machines, enterprise workhorses, tablets with keyboards, and detachable screens. Is a four-pound ThinkPad X1 Extreme workstation better than a thin client laptop like the ARM-powered Galaxy Book S? It depends on what you want to do.

Anyway, grab a coffee and see what Griffin has to say when comparing Surface Duo and Galaxy Z Fold 2 as it is eye-opening, objective, and convincing.

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Daniel Rubino
Daniel Rubino

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

115 Comments
  • surface duo for the win . despite it being android .
  • First substantial review I have seen. Actual use cases demonstrated. This is why I can't go back to one screen..
  • I think this is about the best video on evaluating different foldables so far, really shows how both forms will likely coexist in the future. I think it's the same as ultrawide monitor vs. dual or triple monitor setup. There is just something about that physical separation of displays that reduces cognitive effort. It is why I prefer my 3 monitors to a single ultrawide with equal surface area. It must have to do with compartmentalization of information, less stressful on the brain.
  • I've been using dual screens since the days of the Matrox millennium graphics card, it seems the Duo provides a very similar experience on a phone, certainly for a phone that's paid by an employer and used for work, it's unmatched, for me most of the negatives are relatively minor and more applicable to leisure use. Sure the specs are underwhelming, but how many businesses replace their workers phones annually for a better camera or multimedia usage and I'm sure most would choose a robust phone over an easy to scratch plastic with question marks over long term use, mine and I'm sure many other firms, would expect me to use the same phone for 3+ years. Battery life being the most likely cause of replacement, not the availability of a faster CPU or better camera. Clearly the Duo is designed as a phone for businesses and that's where it seems to excel, hopefully they'll iron out the bugs or bring version 2 out before my S8+ is due for renewal :-)
  • The argument that is being made is just that wider is better for two apps. It has nothing to do with the numbers of screens. Saying you prefer a line down the middle of the screen is dumb.
  • "The argument that is being made is just that wider is better for two apps."
    That's not the case at all. It's about the operations of opening apps and flinging them too. The workflows are quite different and it's clear either you didn't watch the video in its entirety, or you missed the point she was making.
    "Saying you prefer a line down the middle of the screen is dumb."
    Yeah, that wasn't what she was saying. In fact, she makes that point very clearly when watching full-screen video. I'm really intrigued how you refuse to acknowledge that some people may prefer Duo's dual screen experience vs. Fold 2's. You're really going out of your way to believe one is better than the other vs. recognizing they both do different things very well. It's as if you can't maintain two true statements at the same time: it's one or the other. Tech isn't black and white like that though. See the plethora of laptop designs, chassis, and sizes we have. Meanwhile, taking a wild stab here, you don't actuall own/use either Fold 2 or Duo, correct?
  • You don't think removing the bezel between the screens would make the Duo better in almost every way? I just held them both side by side for the first time. The big screen when you open the Fold is a game changer. If you turn the Fold on its side, you have plenty of room to run two apps too. When they make it thinner, dual screens will be pointless. They are just a stop-gap at best. You can add a virtual bezel down the middle if you really need that for some reason. The Duo is awesome though. Hardware is amazing. Using it as a single screen isn't bad compared to the thick and weird small screen on the Fold 2. It just isn't as obvious what to do with the Duo when you unfold it. It is only good for multitasking while the Fold is more natural giving you a single large screen.
  • 'You don't think removing the bezel between the screens would make the Duo better in almost every way?"
    Where did I say such a thing or even imply it? Classic example of straw man. What I do say is dual screens offer a distinct experience from a larger, single-folding display. Each has their pros and cons, advantages, and disadvantages. Both can exist in the market, just like how a convertible PC can be like Surface Book, Surface Pro, or a Lenovo Yoga. The question of either modality benefiting from future improvements is irrelevant.
    "The big screen when you open the Fold is a game changer. "
    Yes, if that is the experience you are going for. Some would counter that having dual screens on a phone is also a game changer. This very video makes such a case.
    "They are just a stop-gap at best. "
    Just like dual or triple PC displays are a stop gap compared to ultrawide? No. Again, you seem incapable of understanding that there are different experiences with each setup.
    "You can add a virtual bezel down the middle if you really need that for some reason."
    So, why did Samsung not enable such a feature? I sure can't just "add a virtual bezel", which also doesn't solve the problem of now having two narrow display which are not very conducive for reading — a point made clear in the very video you refuse to watch.
    "It just isn't as obvious what to do with the Duo when you unfold it. It is only good for multitasking while the Fold is more natural giving you a single large screen."
    You realize that is just on you, right? Plenty of owners and reviewers do get what to do with Duo - I literally just posted a video that explains it. You admit you haven't/won't watch it. You are, however, very good at making the mistake of "I don't understand this, ergo no one must understand this", which is just not how the world works.
    "the Fold is more natural giving you a single large screen."
    Yes, for some people that is the experience. For others, the question of how this improves workflow is also relevant and not answered by this design. Griffin, in this video, flat out states "[Fold 2] does nothing revolutionary for multi-tasking" noting it is easier to just use it as a single screen device and swipe between apps like any other Android phone. You're expressing personal preference but fail to make the argument of why everyone must agree Fold 2 is a better experience. Fold 2 is a very good Android tablet that folds, but this is not the same as a dual-screen Android phone. It just isn't.
  • It isn't a strawman. It is a straight forward question. If the Duo didn't have a break between the screens, it would be better in every situation. Software could easily make it function as a dual screen, as well a single screen. Dual screens will merely function as a budget option if at all.
  • What happened strawman? Gave up your nonsensical argument of stop gap? Now you are saying it will co-exist just like in the article? 😂 😂 Now that is classic example of strawman. Rubino and griffin both made the same point of co-existience.
  • Exactly. I don't know why others get so offended by this incredibly simple yet accurate observation. We shouldn't take these things personally, hey if you like the Duo then more power to you. I'm also confused on calling it a strawman argument, he was asking a question and the question was not really answered.
  • 'You don't think removing the bezel between the screens would make the Duo better in almost every way?" This isn't a real question. It's a statement in the guise of being a question. Read it clearly. Therefore it's a strawman's argument. A real question would be: "Do you think if the bezeled were removed it might provide a better experience?" His statement is trying to force his beliefs onto some in a guise of a question. He is stating that "... if you remove the bezels between the screen it would be better in everyway." aka strawman.
  • OK do you think if the bezels were removed it might provide a better experience? I would add to that if none of the caveats that exist with today's foldable screens existed. Certainly I realize that Microsoft could never have achieved stylus compatibility, thin design, 360 hinge, etc with those caveats. But if all other things were equal, wouldn't the option of having a single larger screen be better for the most part? Is there something specific about having a hardware hinge that truly makes the Duo more functional? If there is I cannot figure it out.
  • I think what has been stated by some if not many that having a single screen vs. a dual screen is all about "PERSONAL" taste. I always buy black vehicles. I just think vehicles in black look better that any other color. I prefer sedans over SUVs. There are those who will always prefer a Truck over a sedan. It's all based on personal taste and usage. The only reason I don't already own a DUO it's because it's powered by Android. But I prefer the "true" dual screen of the DUO than I do a single screen device at this time. Plus it just looks friggin cool to me. "But if all other things were equal, wouldn't the option of having a single larger screen be better for the most part?" The truthful answer for me is, it depends. As said, they both have their pluses and minuses and it's all dependent on how I would plan on using the device. Based on the video in this article it describes (for that particular user) the differences very well.
  • Dude... I use dual screens on my desktop with my PC. Most Bizpros do as well. It's just naturally easier to multi task across separate displays, than just one big one. I COULD just buy an ultra wide monitor and TRY to multi-task the same way.. but it isn't as intuitive (I've tried it on someone else's setup, I hate it), This is the EXACT. SAKE. THING
  • If the Duo didn't have a break between screens, people other than fanbois would be buying it, and it would not need spay-shul programming and MS 'promise' to develop for it. The coverage here is just payback for MS perks around the device, I'd imagine, too.
  • Ha.. Bleached got you or should I say got to you
  • the fold 2 feels like 1 big screen. if you actually try the Duo for more than a couple minutes, it really does feel like 2 separate screens where you treat them differently. in fact, when I have an app on one screen, it feels disconnecting to have the other side not doing something.
  • That is the same argument MS made when presenting duo. They also said about cognitive effort that brain doesn't have to do when you have 2 separate screens. And they are absolutely right about that. On multiple monitors brain automatically tries to do multi-tasking. TBH I don't think most people run apps side by side even on 11 inch ipads why? Because it is single screen mostly they just keep switching despite having large screen.
  • They run one app in a large screen because there's no current OS on the market that will provide a hard software line down the middle. Windows 8x is the only one that could do it in tablet mode. I'm not sure why that feature is not implemented on desktop for ultrawide setups
  • The workflow would not change even if the Duo was a single large screen. What you are describing are semantical differences in how Microsoft and Samsung approach multi window functionality. But there is nothing about having 2 physical screens that makes it more advantageous. Put that workflow in the Fold and that argument is gone. It also seems like that is exactly what you guys are saying, that you prefer a line down the middle of the screen. You are saying having 2 physical screens is better than having a single large screen, which is essentially the same thing. It's not that it's dumb, more like being intentionally obtuse in order to prove a point. Samsung could enable an app tomorrow that draws a bezel between the 2 screens and the rest of this argument would poof away like smoke. Anyway, nothing wrong with liking the Duo better, that's the great things about choices. It just seems like you Duo guys spend an inordinate amount of time trying to prove how much better that paradigm is. Use and enjoy the device, don't be so confrontational with your loyal followers.
  • Hope you watch the video. You people are missing the point. It's not just splitting the screen with an app. The wider 3:2 ratio is better space usage than Samsung 5:4. Yes you can rotate it, then add a feature for bezel than do the set up and then and then and then. That's the point Erica is making. MS has streamlined the use of TWO screen for multitasking and made it very well efficient. All you people want to do argue about a screen completely missing the point.
  • Yes I definitely agree the aspect ratio is better, but that's still not really addressing the argument that having 2 screens makes the Duo a better work device. If the Duo existed with the exact same aspect ratio but as one large foldable screen it would be a better device. I get what you are saying, but there are people arguing the Duo is a better device in the vacuum of f the screens only argument.
  • Watch it again. While wider is better, so is the workflow. This is one of the few reviewers who've groked this. Even though I "got" if before mine arrived, it took me a couple days of use to really get it. Also, the stability issues, except for flipping the camera, for the most part became non-issues. I have no idea why, but I suspect, once you get it, the software issues melt away. Yeah, I'm looking forward to updates -- mainly for the camera -- but other than that, this is definitely one of the best phones I've owned since the end of the Lumia Windows Phone era.
  • Yeah, you really didn't watch the video did you
  • Nope. Don't need to. Having a bezel down the middle of your screen isn't a positive in any way.
  • It's not in middle of the screen. It's between two screens.
  • Exactly. What if it had the option to be either? Folding screens give you the best of both worlds. They are objectively better than dual screens.
  • Folding screen in 2020 gives us the worst screens in the market.
  • In 2020 they don't. Folding screens are the worst displays ever. I'm never going to use plastic screens like it is 2005 again. **** that. When that day comes when folding displays are as stiff as glass we will talk. That tech is not here yet. So stop comparing a current product with something that will come after 5 years. 😂
  • You do have the option... Dou or Fold. Single screen does not give you the "best" of both worlds. I currently use multiple screens for work and I've opened two apps in a single screen. From my experience, it isn't quiet the same when there are some compromises made in how the app functions or presents itself verses having those same apps open on their own screen. I think it's time to let single vs dual screen argument die, at this point. Not everyone sees things as you do and that's okay.
  • "Nope. Don't need to."
    Yet, without owning either device, and not watching the video, you feel welcomed to post your opinion and thoughts. This is the definition of ignorance. You're refusing to watch a counterargument because you feel your inexperienced opinion is superior. That's astounding.
  • It's really sad this gentleman (bleached) is like that because he's been subscribe to your site since WP7 just like I have. Honestly, he just doesn't like Microsoft and refuses to give them credit for finding a sweet spot in the foldables that has a use case to exist and just might with refinements and maybe multiple versions like the current Duo compartmentalized screens & maybe a future single screen like the fold 2....it just might catch on.
  • OMG55--MSFT has fumbled the ball so many times in mobile, we all should be highly skeptical of the Duo and the promises and assertions of Panos. Two screens or one large foldable display are two unique form factors, but that does not mean the software allows either form factor to be superior in improving productivity. Will the foldable screen have the longevity? Will AI and ML make any device highly adaptable to your day to day changes in workflow? Even if the behavioral scientists and others demonstrate that two screens versus one reduces mental fatigue and improves productivity, that does not mean the hardware/software engineers can make the product that allows a person to realize increased productivity. BTW Elon Musk also promises amazing things all the time. But it rarely pans out. He moves his technoogy along at the same pace as many technologies, incrementally. I suspect the Dup and Folding screen technology will do the same. I believe Bleach is skeptical that the dual screen tech and MSFT ability to unlease its potentional will not be matched by a folding screen device.
  • There is no counter argument. The Duo form factor would be better in everyway (except maybe price) with a single folding screen. Software could make it operate the same as it does now while also being great for a large single screen experience. Any argument to the contrary is just wrong. Folding screens are a superior technology.
  • Funny how you keep stating a single folding screen is better and continue to give zero reason how? Ignorance is bliss.
  • A single folding screen can do absolutely everything that two screens side by side can, plus more (like running a spreadsheet across the full service, more room for video editing or image manipulation, more space for watching videos, etc) although the aspect ratio for videos regardless is going to be horrendous for this which is why most foldable devices are far less useful for consumption than they are for creation, the Motorola is probably the only exception there.
  • Bleach and Sin are making a critical mistake. The Duo is not a replacement for a PC. I would never use a phone for high-level spreadsheet modeling. I can see how working in Teams a member on location can input data in a table specifically configured for a small screen while other members work on the larger screen. We will always want a bigger screen. And as individuals are able to work virtually with larger and more complex teams, the ability of the cloud and various other cloud-based software solutions will change how all devices increase productivity for the team members. The Duo might be the best solution for the team members working in the field. But time will tell. We will know the answer in 48 months. Is the Duo driving sales? IS the dup forcing developers to modify apps? Will services like Teams be able to leverage the promises of MSFT WRT Duo? I don't know the device has been on sale for less than 30 days.
  • Wow.. You really are a ridiculously special kind of special. You don't own either device, or have an inch of brains to listen to unbiased perspectives from a person who has both in her hands. Your ignorant opinion means absolutely nothing,, as usual.
    (typed on my Surface Duo)
  • I own a Fold 2, I've extensively tried out a Duo at BB, I also watched the video. Other than the semantical differences in how Samsung and Microsoft approach multi window functionality and the fact that the Fold 2's "screens" are physically narrower/smaller than the Duo, I don't see any reason why one would be better than the other. Put MS take on functionality on the Fold 2, increase the screen sizes to match the Duo and voila... same thing.
  • And this is a valid take. That said, I think Samsung's going for a completely different look and feel, for different reasons. They see the purpose of the fold as having one big screen, and their take on the software running it reflects that. And like the reviewer said...that's okay. There are reasons to have both. Makes me wonder if Microsoft Launcher on a Fold would give us some of that experience? Want to try it and let us know?
  • Absolutely, that's all I'm saying. Both great devices, I'm just happy to live in a time with such technology. Hell, I'd love to own both devices. I will give the MS launcher a try, but it will be hard to pry me away from Samsung's UI as they have just done such a phenomenal job. In terms of manipulating multiple screens I feel the reviewer in the video really missed a ton of functionality on the Fold 2.
  • Do you have a dual or triple monitor setup for your PC? Have you used an ultrawide in place of that? If you have tried both approaches, you would realize that they are not the same experience at all, even if the total screen surface area is equal. Panos has said this many times - it has to do with cognitive effort. Microsoft has put a lot of research into this, including scanning brain activity and so on. The splitting of information into 2 or more physically distinct regions substantially 'lights-up' the brain as Panos puts it. This is a deliberate move. It is also why I prefer 2 or 3 distinct desktop monitors to a single ultrawide. The physical separation is a key part of the cognitive experience, believe it or not.
  • I don't think "bleached" can grasp what you have just explained.
  • I would think multi monitors is much different, the physical space and placement is much larger. Although personally I would much rather use a single huge monitor. At work I have a 50" monitor and use software such as desktop software such as Display Fusion to split it up into what Windows sees as physically separate screens. But that's just my preference, I can certainly see how some would prefer separate monitors. I just don't feel like that's the same when you are talking about such a small device. But if you are right, then why wouldn't having a single screen with a software drawn bezel in the middle be the same thing? It almost seems too easy to refute Panos argument, but that's really all it boils down to.
  • The human user may subconsciously attach the physical separation to a cognitive compartmentalization. These are factors that lab experiments measure.
    You have to understand that human cognitive perception is complex, much more than meets the eye when observing superficially. This is why we conduct experiments.
    I can assure you that the people that conduct these brain scan measurements in different use scenarios (between single screen, multiple screen, software split etc.) have thought of far more than we can cover in comments section here. It may seem trivial, but it's not.
    I know from personal anecdotal experience that a single ultrawide is not the same experience as 2 or 3 distinct monitors of equivalent surface area placed side-by-side. It may have to do with other factors beyond just the screen.
    Human cognition is attached to many physical experiences. I have read research about memory retention where they concluded that reading a physical book could be more beneficial than reading an ebook on a kindle, phone, PC etc. because humans attach other physical experiences to memory such as the physical page turning, location of text on a particular page, the physical bulk of the book and pages to be read etc. vs simply scrolling down a long continuous electronic display that eliminates these things. The content is the same, but the peripheral experiences have a huge impact on memory retention.
    It may be similar with two physically separate screens vs. a software drawn bezel.
    I would take Panos' measurement based evidence over oversimplified conclusions based on assumptions.
  • That's fascinating and very interesting information, but it still doesn't really convince me that having a hardware bezel is any different than a software bezel. I honestly don't think anyone would even particularly notice that the bezel/hinge was drawn in software. I like Panos, but he's obviously marketing a product. (PS I do highly agree with your thoughts on reading real books)
  • Kaymd, Unless you are working with a rather large spreadsheet.
  • To use a spreadsheet (large or small) in a such small touch device is a nonsense if you can't use a pencil... which you can't with the Fold.
  • bleached, I'm with you man. I also didn't watch the video. And yet I completely disagree with her: there's absolutely no way Oumuamua was an alien spacecraft. Case closed. Stupid Erica Griffin!
  • Bleached isn't human enough to get that type of sarcasm.
  • Trolling behavior is all too human. Also, in his best moments, bleached's trolling is top quality and actually quite funny (intentionally).
  • I have to agree he is good at being bad.
  • bleached, no joke, you really have to watch the video. It's a real eye-opener. That giant line in the middle of the screen actually simplifies multitasking. In some instances it's even better than the Fold 2 for media consumption, specifically when you prop up the device for hands-free video viewing. What I don't understand is why MS isn't shouting all of this from the rooftops.
  • The Duo is a wow device for me. Two apps open at once. Simple clean UI and lots of easy multitasking. That doesn't mean it's for everyone, but it is fun, elegant and pretty fluent. I'd love a better camera and postures need some work still. I think the gyroscope is perhaps a tad to sensitive as things want to flip around too quickly in postures and thus the issues. Anyway, it's a great device for me. I should also mention that I like that when I close it there isn't a screen on the outside. Less distraction when I don't want/need it
  • The Duo is the device for me and I love it. The only issue I have is the gyroscope sensitivity but to counter that, unless I need the screen to rotate, I disable auto rotate. Once I familiarized myself with the gestures, the software works pretty seamlessly for me.
  • Are you in our Surface Duo group? I'm not trying to advertise it here, and I won't even mention the name, but just find us on Facebook.. You can't miss it.
  • Will do it Rodney, I do have the Duo and honestly, my galaxy s9 seems slow and the screen doesn't look as good like I thought it was before I got the Duo.
  • The less distraction part is extremely true. When my Note 8 screen lights up due to a notification, I'm drawn to it, no matter what I am doing. Having it closed with that extra step at lest for me has helped me to disconnect more from it. Yes you can just stick in pocket and ignore but I don't like keeping phones in my pocket. Yes I could flip it over but I guess it's just how my brain works. And then when I open it to use it, I can finally do more stuff simultaneously. It just makes more sense having two separate displays than switching between 2 apps constantly. Usually I'm flipping between two apps at any given time. Now having both displayed and can interact without additional interactions to switch, I felt my producitivy on my Duo increase. I'm in and out the device faster. I've considered ultra wide monitors but the physical separation of monitors is much better than software for me. And yes I've used an ultra wide monitor.
  • The ability to close it is a feature I'm liking more and more each day. Family will usually contact me over imessage on my ipod (as they're all in that camp), so there's no real notification on my phone that I ever *need*, aside from phone calls. I don't feel compelled to open the thing unless there's something important that really warrants my attention. This thing has been a godsend for reclaiming my non-phone time. XD
  • the aspect ratio of the screen halves is the reason I wouldn't consider the Fold 2 (well, that and the price and the thickness/weight of the thin). being so tall and narrow makes reading uncomfortable and the view so narrow for other things. trying watching a video on one half and doing something on the other half with the Fold 2. you'll know. the funny thing about the separate screens on the Surface Duo... I almost feel compelled to run 2 apps side by side. Because to see an app on one screen and the other screen at the desktop is just weird. like you're wasting a screen.
  • See, this is an argument that makes sense. Certainly the Fold has narrower screens and that makes for some funky aspect ratios when the screen is split, I can see this being a reason some Duo owners prefer their devices. It still doesn't make 2 separate screens better in any way, but it makes sense why some prefer the Duo.
  • This. I feel like I can't just leave the other half just sitting there. Sometimes I'll have a forum on one half and a game or podcast on the other.
  • Best, most complete review I've seen yet and notice she had no issues with gestures like some people showed on YouTube. I initially thought the software was buggy but after an hour or so using gestures, I realized that for me it was a muscle memory thing. Since then, the Duo had been buttery smooth.
  • Almost the same here, though I've had a few times it became unresponsive. Usually around spanning an ap that doesn't want to though. Not sure if that is an MS or Android issue
  • I think Rabino explained this in his review. The Duo was buggy for about a week. Then the update hit and like magic the Duo was a lot less buggy. Give it time, as the months move along bugs will be fixed. With V2, the form factor will improve more. As I like to remind people, achieving 85% of the ideal solution is pretty easy and quick. It is the last 15% that becomes more difficult. The last 1% improvement is nearly impossible. The current Smartphones are at 98%. The duo is at 50%. IN 48 months, the Duo will either be well-liked and popular because the improvements from 50% to 75% complete will make life easier than using the current smartphone most people carry today. If the promises that Panos and MSFT have made turn out to be small and incremental, then the Duo will remain a niche product. You can still sell 1 million units as a niche product. This would be another $1 billion in sales for the Surface devision.
  • I would like to see a similar video comparing the Duo to the LG V60 Thinq. It has dual screens, and pen support. Yes it is more bulky, but you can get it for less. ,It is also is 5G, 865 processor, and expandable storage. The gestures are not the same as the Duo, but maybe the MS launcher can add these gestures for dual screen devices from other manufacturers
  • https://youtu.be/9yGq24i8gA4 Another great explanation
  • Very good. Thanks for the link!
  • I watched the entire video and thanks a zillion for sharing that link
  • One is a computer meant for work and carefully designed with that in mind.
    The other is a smartphone with all the last gimmicks to impress the techies.
  • I'm not sure I've seen it mentioned elsewhere, but when comparing the Fold 2 to the Duo with multi-tasking, there are plenty of apps that don't support split-window on samsung devices. However, I've found those apps will open on one side of my duo just fine while I run another app in the other screen. I've really grown to like the Duo, but it is less comfortable in my pocket and there's no opening it one-handed to check messages.
  • If you are the kind of people that check notifications and messages constantly, then the "phone mode" is the one for you.
    It is a common mistake. You can have the Duo opened in your pocket if you want.
    Even Panos wears it that way.
  • You can make any app run in split screen using Samsung's Good Lock app.
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  • Erica's review was pretty nuanced take on duo. Looking forward to more such videos from her on duo. Surface duo will always be be more comfortable multitasker but the same hinge gap that makes it better multitasker also spoils it's capabilities as a tablet. I don't see dual screens idea surviving that long in smartphone space. I believe Microsoft will jump on flexible screen bandwagon once foldable displays are durable enough & digitiger input will be possible. untill then Microsoft's software & hardware effort in surface duo would serve them well when they decide to move to flexible screens. Samsung should fold the next one along the bigger span so that outer screen & inner screens offers much better aspect ratio for multitasking & laptop mode. also they need to improve their hinges, make it more smoother like surface duo & hide the gap like Motorola is doing with their foldable razr 2. Seeing the improvements that Samsung brought to fold 2 , Fold 3 promises to be even better. Getting S pen support will be killer feature but for that they have to eliminate crease. Overall I am more exited about future of dual screen tablets or laptops than dual screen phones.
    I believe there is more chance of dual screen idea becoming hit in laptop & tablet formfactor than smartphones. Can't rule out apple's involvement in this space as well because it will be highly influential in market shift to this kind of products.
  • Well... the thing is that smartphone era is death.
  • Apple can make an iPhone that turns into an iPad. That is the most obvious appeal for a product from them. I still think Duo can and will find its use base and case. As some have said two separate screens feels less dissonant for doing multiple things at once compared to software doing the same. I mean maybe Apple will follow the Duo idea, but it just doesn't fit their OS or general devices. Duo is not just a smart phone that folds to be a big tablet
  • The Fold 2 is, at best, a finicky gimmick in it's current form, the Duo is the future.
  • I think MSFT is greatly underestimating the concerns with Google. Whether you are a business or personal user the tracking and privacy issues are real, and Google is the master at getting into your device. I am a hardcore Win 10 Mobile user and had hoped the Duo would be the answer for replacement, but with the privacy concerns I guess I am headed to an iPhone. Then once Apple has their hooks into you with interoperability am I then headed to other Apple devices, Lord I hope not they are crap. Gates used to understand the necessity of owning the spectrum of devices and software, but those days are long past and now MSFT feels like just one more company catabolizing and outsourcing its product line one piece at a time. What's next, iOS on the Surface?
  • Maybe in the near future Windows could emulate Android apps.
  • After 8 years of WMP, and last year a regretful test of an Android phone, I went Iphone. I can't stand the ecosystem: it negates me, it denies me, and offends me. Sadly, my experience w/ Android was not good, and do not appreciate the Google intrusions. Hard decision then, as this device looks so promising for my needs.
  • The way I see it, the device as set up is ripe for rom cooking, so my guess is those folks who were coming up with trying to cram windows ARM into a phone-sized form factor will eventually have something we can use.
  • This has nothing to do with 2 screens, it's just that the Fold has a narrower form factor so it's "screens" are narrower. If the Fold was physically as large as the Duo this would be a non argument. Granted there are some semantical difference in the software as well, but neither is superior IMO, both have multi screen functionality with some functionality unique to each. The Duo is a cool device, but each and every time I open my Fold into a single large screen I realize I made the right choice for my own personal workflow.
  • No thanks. There are a lot more things that make the Duo more apealing for work that the aspect ratio.
  • Yep, I can definitely respect someone preferring the Duo for their particular work flow. I just think it should go the opposite way as well (not pointing you out specifically). Both great devices for different work flows.
  • It's also a brick when folded, and going into your pocket.. Why didn't you mention that?
  • More so than the brick that the Duo is? Maybe brick isn't the best word, but it is very wide. I've tried both and the Fold fits MUCH more comfortably and smoothly into my pocket (both jeans and scrubs), no comparison.
  • "This has nothing to do with 2 screens, it's just that the Fold has a narrower form factor so it's 'screens' are narrower." That's not the case. Watch the video again and you'll see, EG is very clear about why the Duo makes multitasking easier and more natural.
  • It's amazing how the only argue people are making is a screen. It clearly easy to see how people have absolute no real time use on the Duo and understand its functionality for productivity. This is not a media device. It wasn't intended for that and people are conflicting the two. There's two different approcaches two different real time use and two different functionality. It's not as simple as saying oh add a bezel down the middle fixed that. It also has to do with how the app behave and recognize one screen VS two. The work flow MS has design is extremely ideal when you don't have time to fumble with settings to get the screens set up. Have a wide work space work on two apps. Able to use an ink pen for notes. It just works and does what it needs to be an effective productivity device and why chose it over the Fold 2
  • I've loved this Duo since - day 14... It's the coolest device I've ever had. The future of Microsoft's mobile efforts is promising. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
  • You know you are preaching to my choir.
  • For a phone, LG Wing is better than both...!
  • A phone, Is this still 2012?
  • Workflow, efficiency and all these other amazing terms for making my life more productive...blah blah blah. My opinion and obviously people have an actual use for these types of devices but I just fail to see how this helps in anyway. It is a phone. It makes calls, messages and can look things up on the internet. At no point will having a bigger screen, or two screens make my life any more efficient with this form factor (mobile phone). It is a device trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist
  • Understandable, depending upon the frequency and quantity of meetings and calls, as well as the location when needing to take them. However, you could argue that phones of 2019 probably hit peak (maybe even earlier) for doing those tasks, and everything new is just fluff.
  • You should watch the whole video. Listen to what EG has to say. Like Lisa Gade, Erica Griffin a few months ago thought the two-screen design was a stop-gap before developing better foldable screens. They both said they were wrong about that. Seriously, watch the video. It's an eye-opener.
  • I will admit to not watching the video. I just find it hard to see the actual benefit of a dual screen mobile device, whether it be a foldable single screen or two separate screens.
    My actual efficiency, for me at least, will not be impacted. In my corporate life I have my laptop which is capable of reviewing documents, pdf mark-ups, CAD 3d model review, project planning, Excel with macros plus the standard emails etc.
    My mobile device is for when someone wants to contact me when I am out and about. I rarely have something that is so urgent that I have to stop everything and write an email or review something on my phone. My tasks are not life or death they can wait until I am at a suitable place to conduct work and for me that is not my mobile phone (even with an extra screen)
  • This is a very good analysis. If you use your phone for work (corporate, Enterprise systems, or a lot of email and doc multi-tasking), the Duo is by far more useful. And the "bugs" referred to don't exist, as you're not rotating in all directions quickly when doing so. Further, battery life is great for these tasks, going all day. However, if you use mostly as a multimedia, social media, and mobile gaming device, I don't think the Duo is quite for you. There are some benefits, but a standard phone will work well and the Z Fold 2 will be great for movies and games. I can tell you that for my workflow, I reach for the Duo 90% of the time over my Note 10+, and I love the Note 10+. It's just that work items are far more efficiently completed with the Duo.
  • To be fair, there did seem to be a lot of bugs, clearly evident in MrMobile/Michael Fisher's review. But they were absolutely not evident in this video at all, were they? This is looking like a really special device. Feels like 2012!
  • Also, a firmware update is already slated for end of this month, with rumors that the camera is being improved dramatically as well.
  • Looking at the use case of Duo and the split screen mode of Fold 2, I think a Surface Go that is foldable and running the normal full Win 10 will be very useful.
  • That sounds like the Surface Neo to me.
  • For me, this has always been a no brainer. I have had a few comment section convos with those who believed the Fold could be as efficient as the Duo, but they failed to realize Microsoft has done it right with 2 major design decisions: 2 separate screens and the aspect ratios. Heck, that hinge and the 360 degree movement is paramount as well. I've gotta say, heck of a first run by Microsoft. Should be interesting going forward.
  • Its good to see that the Duo is better but it means nothing being stuck only in North America while the Fold 2 is available elsewhere as only few get to experience it so more a win for the Samsung Galaxy fold 2 im afraid at the moment.
  • Look when you are right you are right and I am not going to argue that.
    What I would just suggest is consider that might it possible this is a proof of concept for MSFT and that DUO-2 will actually be the device and we should all be able to chastise them for not have global release.
    Imagine if the proof of concept fails (Think Surface 1 [I am talking about the ARM SoC Surface] with huge write off)
  • I'm not the one that is going to complain about getting the second iteration of a new device.
    People can wait.
  • I've finally gotten around to watching this video. Watch it. I can't recommend it enough. First of all, it's a brilliant video. I've been an EG fan for years now. She doesn't put out a lot of content but when she does it's always top quality. She reviews devices based upon her use cases, which are not the "use cases" of fanboys obsessing over specs and tribal markers and gimmicks. If I am not mistaken she is/was a medical student (or was it dentistry?) and you can imagine lots of people whose work and play look like hers. Her reviews are not sales pitches or tribal screeds. They are always thoughtful, thorough analyses that are useful for busy consumers with various needs and wants. Great call by DR, another excellent reviewer, to make a post out of it. Second, the video is a real eye-opener. That giant line between the two screens - which many mocked - actually makes multitasking easier than it would be on any single-screen device. The multi-screen desktop analogy is very appropriate. EG shows this fact very, very clearly in several different ways. The multitasking experience on the Fold 2 looks like that on any other Android device, and feels like multitasking in Windows 10's Tablet Mode. In other words, it'll do in a pinch, and it might be better than nothing for some, but it's clunky and fidgety. Two screens simplifies everything, because you're not fiddling around with aspect ratios of individual apps. A second app opens and you just know where it's going to be and what it's going to look like. The thinking is done for you. You can "fling" content from one side to the other. And the aspect ratios of each screen are comfortable for both content consumption and also for handwriting. (BTW, how many of the mainstream fanboy reviews even noticed that the Duo is pen-enabled?) This is brilliant - and I can't imagine why this stuff doesn't feature more prominently in MS's own promotions. The contrast with a standard mobile-OS tablet experience is really telling. But what really sold me on the core idea behind the Duo is that, as EG shows, in many situations, the Duo is actually better at content consumption than the Fold 2! Not joking! Watch the video and you'll see. It has to do with the aspect ratios of the two screens, the ability to adjust the angles, and the way the software allows these experiences to happen. A folding tablet in your pocket is amazing for media consumption - but the Duo might actually be better. Ignore the haters and the tribal fanboys. Forget the lazy reviews obsessing over specs. This review has convinced me that the Duo concept is the best way to handle multitasking on the go. Brilliant job, MS! And brilliant video, EG. I still can't get over your hilariously tiny hands, though. ;-D
  • BTW has anyone else noticed the similarity between Erica Griffin's logo and that of Microsoft Mechanics?
  • Love the title on the opening screen of the video: "DUO DOES NOT SUCK"! You know what doesn't need articles / videos about how they don't suck?
    Things that don't suck! This reminds me of the constant barrage of articles on WindowsPhoneCentral (oops WindowsCentral) about how Windows Phone had NOT failed and the tortured logic about why Windows Phone in fact had not failed, when everyone could see that it was a disastrous failure. It failed so badly that this website had to rename their entire website! Later when talking about Windows Phone, the staff here says stuff like "of course everyone knows Windows Phone failed, get over it!" LOL.
  • What I wrote in 2015:
    "Windows Phone, as we know it, is dead. It lost to Apple's iPhone and Android back in 2014 (some would say back in 2012, although for while things were looking up). In 2015, Windows Phone has been tenaciously hanging on as Windows 10 comes to fruition, but it is clear the old model is not working." "I said earlier that the Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL "do not entirely represent what Microsoft is doing these days." ... You see where I am going with this. Microsoft is not about creating hardware for the sake of creating another thing. They only create hardware after consideration of where the market is going to be, not where it is now."
    I was way ahead of people like "Central Analyst". You've been a member here less than 2 years. Don't act like you're a regular or have some history here.
    "It failed so badly that this website had to rename their entire website! "
    Yeah, that's not what happened. We renamed in 2014 (!) because Windows 10 was announced and expanding to Surface, Xbox, and PCs/convertibles:
    "It should be clear now that coming into 2015 there is just one Windows, running on the Surface, Xbox One, PCs, laptops and even your phone. At the urging of many of our loyal and active readers, over the last year we have steadily ramped up coverage — beyond our historical Windows Phone focus — to also cover Xbox, Surface, and general Microsoft news. "
    We wanted to go beyond just covering phones because we were ignoring things like gaming and PCs. Why? Because we saw gaming and PCs were going to be huge. And it is. It's about market and audience expansion, you goof. Please stop pretending like you know our history. You're a passerby, a fake. There's a reason why you read my articles and I don't even know who you are.
  • And this is where the Duo shines. I feel like this reviewer walked out of my own life. I've been using multiple monitors on PCs for so long.... And I started getting in the habit of carrying around an iPod when it looked like Windows Phone was in a transitional phase. There's always a kindle in my purse. I'm used to using multiple screens for...well, many situations. This thing makes me feel like Penny from Inspector Gadget... However, the fold is more to pull a really big screen out in cases where you would want one. And there are situations where this is warranted/needed.
  • HMM it's interesting that The Surface DUO did'nt get the latest CPU because it's current design
    could't fit in a 5G chip. that will change in the next Duo model due to Qualcomm will have it builtin
    their next SOC I use an Iphone 11 but will buy a Duo model-2 which by then should have better
    software & up dated hardware. I wish that Duo #2 gets the Lumia 1020's 40 mega Pixel camera.
    I wonder if Microsoft makes a "Duo Pro" which could be a little thicker to house a better Camera
    NFC, Wireless charging ect and also make the "Duo' have a larger screen by the bezel around the
    current screens made thinner
  • Beautifully done video in my opinion!