Cityman' Quad HD Microsoft Lumia exposed in AdDuplex report, static market share for Windows Phone

The June numbers are out from AdDuplex, one of the largest advertising platforms for Windows Phone and developers. The figures are gathered from apps running on Windows Phone and are used to measure market share within the Windows Phone ecosystem.

Because there are fewer new phones hitting the market, there is even less movement this month over last. Instead, we see the continued trends of the Lumia 63x and Lumia 535 growing in many regions, including in the US, France, Italy, and Poland. However, these are modest shifts mostly at the cost of declining Lumia 520 users.

In the US, the Lumia 635 is up 2.8% from last month and now commands nearly 40 percent (38.9%) of all Windows Phones when combined with the Lumia 630.

Despite great reviews, the Lumia 640 and Lumia 640 XL do not seem to be grabbing much of the Windows Phone pie just yet.

Microsoft and Nokia continue to control the Windows Phone market with a massive 96.74 percent of all devices.

Those utilizing Windows 10 Mobile on their phone now account for 2.5 percent of all Windows Phone users, a number certainly to grow in the coming months. As AdDuplex notes, this means one out of every 40 Windows Phone users is on Microsoft's next-gen phone OS.

New Microsoft Lumias

Finally, AdDuplex has identified two new Lumias evidently being tested. They include:

Microsoft RM-1104, RM-1105 with a 5.2-inch 1080p display
Microsoft RM-1100 with a Quad HD (1440x2560) display (size unknown)

Microsoft is rumored to be developing at least two flagship level phones codenamed 'Cityman' and 'Talkman'. It is more than likely that the devices spotted here are part of that development process. Here are the details that were reported earlier on those devices:

'Talkman' rumored specifications

5.2 inch QHD display
Qualcomm-based six core processor
3GB of RAM
32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot
20MP rear camera
5MP front facing camera,
3000 mAh removable battery
USB Type-C

'Cityman' specifications

5.7 inch QHD display
Qualcomm-based eight core processor
3GB of RAM
32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot
20MP rear camera
5MP front facing camera,
3300 mAh removable battery
USB Type-C

Windows Central can now confirm through our various sources the specifications noted above for 'Cityman'. Additionally, we can add that it does have a 20 MP rear camera and a triple LED flash like the one in the above fan-render. Expected release of those phones is later this year, likely in the October or November timeframe.

AdDuplex will post their full numbers for June on their blog on Monday, June 29.

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

386 Comments

All lumia on the list. As it should be of course :D (its strange that the 1520 is on the us list yet the m8 on three carriers literally isn't on any list. I really want to know how many of those actually sold. I'd expect less than 5,000). That being said I want to see leaked images of cityman soon :D
Possibly do to the sales rep misleading people that the Android M8 is better than the WP M8.... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Want even the 840 come out of shades .!! XD
I'm not sure I would say "misleading."
I would
hay, hay now, Misleading, pretending, fooling, lying,..........title belongs to CrApple. Please watch what you saying, CrApple might get made, if their misleading label gets tossed around like that. Watch it:-)
Why do you hate the M8 so much? Other than Lumia, it is the only other high end phone. If you were a true windows fan, you would appreciate it at least. There aren't many OEMs that are willing to make high end windows phones at the moment. And variation is always a good thing.
I don't hate the m8 lol. I just find it irrelevant. I am a true windows fan hence why I own surface and Lumia. I prefer to buy from those that are true windows OEM and 100% support the platform. On the desktop that of course is Microsoft or someone like Lenovo and mobile that would be formerly Nokia now Microsoft and if they made a quality windows phone high end model, blu. I dont like second tier products from second tier oems. Besides, I didn't say anything negative about the m8. I am just curious to se show much it has sold and why it still has sold significantly less than the 1520 and even 928. And I'm willing to bet, htc 8x
I think of myself as a "true windows fan" too. I have owned the surface RT, surface pro, surface pro 2, and now the surface 3, but prefer the M8 to any of the current lumia options available. With regard to 100% of the platform, I got Update 2 on my M8 on AT&T and my wife is still waiting for it on her 1520. I'm still really happy with my purchase, and don't feel any less of a true windows fan. That said, I don't think anyone will come out with a phone that could convince me not to get a cityman (especially if it has stylus support).
The M8 is inferior to the 1520 and 930/ICOn in my opinion, but i suppose someone who doesnt need a quality camera and more of a guarantee from an OEM to be speedy and reliable as Nokia/Microsoft was/is and gets excited over things like a IR blaster and front facing speakers, I suppose i can see the appeal of the M8 to a degree. As i said before in the M8 article, It wouldnt surprise me if it is easier to get the updates out to the M8 users because there are so few people. I believe the Lumia 635 also got the update 2. So perhaps there is another reason the 1520 hasnt got it. I dont count that as a con that the M8 got it before it simply because HTC usually is behind anyway so they are due one or two surprises. :D But i agree with yoru sentiment. The Cityman will be awesome and it will be mine :D
All of your points are valid, for you. The value of a phone is an aggregate of all features, but on top of that, it's all subjective. I think all lumia phones are great, I've owned 5 of them now. But for me, at the time I had to make a purchase, the M8 was the best option. I could go over the internal calculations I had to go through to make the decision, but I don't think it really matters. Still loving my M8, still looking forward to Cityman, still a windows fan.
Also, Sprint Customers have very few options when it comes to Microsoft/Nokia
You mean option, since Sprint only offers one WP. Sprint is ridiculous pricing the 635 at $179. Every other carrier sells it for less then $100 unlocked. Sprint does it so when they can't move them, they can say "windows phones doesn't sell".
The M8 doesn't have a screen that glitches out and taps itself like the 1520.
But neither the 1520 nor the Icon are even on sale anymore, at least in the US. The camera on the One M8 isn't quite as nice as on the 930 or 1520, but it is faster and, in bright light conditions, I think it actually holds it's own against those two. As to updates, it's the most up-to-date of any WP, so I am not sure what you're talking about there. HTC > MS for updates. It also has the aformentioned IR blaster, the fantastic speakers, the much, much, much better hand feel, the on-screen buttons (for that reason alone, the M8 is unequivocally better than any Lumia), wider accessory support (since it's a top selling phone), and oops protection, and you can chose your carrier and then get the One M8, as opposed to having your phone chose your carrier for you (again, in the US, at least). Honestly, it isn't even close.
And yet your phone is irrelevant and no one is buying it lol. You do have to applaud HTC for their support. Also Microsoft is is updating their phones fairly fast. Unfortunately carrier devices lag behind but from my understanding many of the lumias are updated just fine :D Most of those pros you mention are irrelevant for most of us lol. But by all means please justify your purchase and defend your precious m8 :)doesn't change the fact it doesn't sell and for it to be superior the other lumias are what people prefer.
Nobody is buying any Windows Phones! They are now below 3% market share! Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
You can't buy it if it isn't for sale, I wen to T-Mobile the other day to see the lumia 640. The salesman didnt even know what I was talking about he said he hadn't even heard of it, and couldn't even find it in his system, which us a lie as I know its on the web. They said they only had one window phone and it ended up being in the back storage room and was a 535. Made me want to complain thought thats not my style, he had a bad attitude and even the salelady next to him made negative remarks.
Lumia phones are almost always last to get updates. Every time an update comes out, Lumia owners whine because it's taking so long. Im honestly not sure where you're getting your info from.
Yes carrier lumias. The non carrier lumias usually have their updates way in advanced.
A true windows fan doesn't care about the hardware. Many OEMs flat out refuse to make windows products. And considering how many phones the platform has, ever phone is relevant in some way. This isn't android. And you are obviously ignorant on HTC and Microsoft. HTC has been making windows phone, windows mobile long before even Nokia considered it. They have a much longer standing, and are still going with it. I remember when you could only get HTC phones, like the HD2 and HD7. You are obviously new to the platform. So please, just stop the constant hate for the M8.
A true android fan will go for Nexus because they want the untouched Android experience. Similar to those who wanted the true power of a Windows tablet, it is why we have Surface. It does seem like after surface became a thing, the windows tablets and laptops started becoming more innovative and creative. And with windows phone, if you want the true experience...you get Lumia. Let's establish one thing...Windows Mobile is not Windows Phone. Windows Mobile is another Era..and was an Era where HTC was relevant and a leader instead of a follower like they are now on both android and Windows Phone. I have been with Windows Phone 8 since 2012(and played around with it in Windows Phone 7 days)...In the last 3 years i've experienced more with my various lumias from amazing support to excellent hardware and innovative features(1020) and exclusive apps...I could've never gotten that experience from a Non-lumia and that is why I and most of us are loyal to the lumia brand. HTC, Samsung and no others have provided anything close and have done little to build loyalty with their customers and it is why so many people avoid their products anad left them for Lumia(or in Android world, Samsung and others). We're talking about today and as of today, HTC really doesn't matter...and with it's 1.6 percent marketshare if we lost them, they'd be forgotten like Huawei is now.
It's obvious you are not a true windows fan. Just another Lumia fan boy. Other than the camera, the lumias don't really have anything truly special. Really, the only thing I miss is clear black, and that is about it. And many of the things you argue can be said about HTC as well. The build quality on the M8 is fantastic, with no other Lumia being full metal. Also, the speakers blow every other phone out of the water. An IR blaster has never been seen on a Lumia before either. My point is, stop being a fan boy and open your eyes, all OEMs have something to offer. All have lows and highs, and as many are needed in the windows phone space.
And it is obvious you are just an HTC apologist :P I couldnt care less about a metal phone. I am sure they'd be nice and I wouldnt turn down a Lumia phone with metal of course. But i do also like the polycarbonate of my 640 XL and my 1520 and i think the 930/Icon and 830 are incredibly well-made phones.
If there is nothing special about Lumias, then there is even less than nothing(is that possible) for HTC phones. But hey good for you having speakers that are irrelevant in an era where selfies/cameras are important to consumers and a remote(most people again dont care) control built-in. Kudos....Nokia set the bar with the pureview(1020 especially) and htc lowered it with their ultrapixel 'innovations' Thankfully i am not here to really care whether you think i am a windows fan or not. There is a reason why most of us own Lumias....that's fine if you preferred HTC or Samsung. No need to try and justify your purchase. I am sure you and the other 200 M8 owners are enjoying it and for that i am glad. The rest of us(out of the 10 million lumias sold each quarter), are enjoying our phones. There's a reason why even in 2015, the 930 is sitll considered the Flagship WIndows Phone 8.1 device despite the M8 being newer and why when tech enthusiasts speak of Windows phone they always compare the Lumia 1520 or icon/930 to other flagships...not the m8 windows.
You still didn't even acknowledge the last paragraph. Sigh. And different people have different needs. Not everyone takes selfies. Not everyone is obsessed with their phone camera. Different OEMs have different specialties, and if you believe that we only need one, which is focused mostly on cameras, then you really need to open your eyes.
I can agree....you are absolutely right. Different OEMs offer different things :) HTC simply offers me nothing and i'd say that is likely true for the other 96% windows phone owners :)
Not everyone is obsessed with music coming from front speakers(that's why i have great headphones as well as my phone hooks up to my car) or a remote control app....I am old-school,i like my remote :D What i think this OS needs is amazing hardware(which we already have) and OEMs that actually are bringing innovations(there's a reason why so many people wanted Lumia with android or pureview cameras and other Nokia things...there;s a reason why many Non-lumia windows phone owners want lumia apps). I'd love to see Lumia become the premium brand and have a great company like blu picking up the low end market as well as embracing the other regional manufacturers who are bringing out and doing more for their windows phones than HTC, Samsung, or LG do. Speaking of lumia apps, I am hoping that we'll keep that one exclusive thing. I dislike the fact microsoft feels the need to take away that exclusivity to give them to OEMs who do nothing :) But i guess i'll wait and see. You are too defensive over a phone LOL.
You must have no life. You make a post, don't reply back. You are trying too hard to prove to your self that buying lumia is joinig a vip club that we give little s$@# about. You love Lumia? Great. No one cares. I like Blackberry and iPhones. No one cares. I don't brag about how inferior you are by having a Lumia do I?
It actually sounds like you're the one is is too defensive over a phone LOL
> "i think the 930/Icon and 830 are incredibly well-made phones." They're not. They have heat problems and touchscreen problems galore. For build quality, the only decent WP is the One M8.
Based on your standards. I'd take a Lumia 930 design over HTC. Lmfao I prefer my 640 xl design over the m8....and gasp...i can actually crop pics taken with its camera.
I went into Verizon with every intention of buying the M8 but after comparing its camera with the Lumia 822 I had the time (even with the M8 and its superior screen), it was obvious that the M8 had an inferior camera - even by 2 year old midrange standards.
Deal Breaker.
You chose well
I did the same exact thing. I still have my 822 and just deciding if I want to pick up the 735 to hold me over until these flagships come out. I know there is a 1mp difference but I can deal with that.
The 1520 is in several markets worldwide. The M8 is only sold in the US, know for it's distaste of WP. I don't think I need to say more. I do like the 1520 better though, but I wouldn't say no to an M8.
I also said US only. In the US....the 1520 is only available on one carrier(or was) which is At&t...the M8 is on the two largest carriers(Verizon and At&t) as well as it was on T-mobile. There is no reason to not assume this phone has sold poorly in comparison. Not to mention the 928 is also on that list as well as the 920 and 1020 and 822 all of which were available on one carrier here in the US. I just find it odd that the M8 has literally never shown up on these lists at all....despite being the only flagship. It literally is the only flagship in the US right now and people are avoiding it worse than the lumia flagships.
You really sound like you're talking out of your ass whenever you start your M8 bashing.
I think the M8 is great.
What high end lumia? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Dear God, please please please don't let these phones be ugly.
I'll buy it even if it's pink with brown stripes if they just let me and not make it a cthulhudamned EXCLUSIVE again.
LMAO! I'm with you too!
Because it's region locked to the US.
All I care about now is that what kind of design the next Lumia will have. I want it in metal, I've got bored of seeing the brick-like lumias. They should bring an all new unexpected design. If possible MS should make the screen edgy like S6 (used it today and it looks awesome compared to the normal S6). I also expect their next phone to have an IR blaster, I really get jealous of Android users with those IR blaster phones. This is what wish MS to do with their next Lumia. Maybe I would come back to Windows if they bring these most required things with their next Lumia. (And sorry if I used bad English somewhere). Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
My thoughts as well, bought my wife the S6 Edge... Tiles would look great on that screen!
I want it to have the same design as the Lumia 830. IMO the 830 is the nicest designed windows phone. Its light, its the perfect size. I would have bought it over my Blu Win HD LTE if the price wasnt 200 bucks more for the same specs.
The lumia 640 is not on the list.
Great
One with a 41 mp and one with a 20 mp camera... Now that would be GREAT... ! It feels as of now... 1020 will still be without a successor... I hope not..... MS can though surprise the world next year at MWC.... With these two covering for the holiday season...
I really want the 1020 successor but I don't want to use my 925 until next year... Somebody please get me a 940!
No it's not! Who need Quad HD really? Consumes more battery
if you want to start attracing the android crowd to WP, you have to start competing on specs. Since all windows devices have the same software, the only thing they really have to compete on is design and specs. Almost everyone I know who is a die hard android fan chooses their phones based on specs. The S6 is arguably the nicest android handset, but alot of my friends chose the LG g4 for its better battery. Both of these rumored lumias have huge batteries, and with WP being much more optimized than android (hopefully windows 10 will carry on with this tradition), battery life should not be an issue even with the large screen resolution.
The greatest specs in the world won't matter to Android users if the apps are missing, especially the Google Apps. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Who cares about Android or iOS? The whole purpose is not to attract users from different mobile OSes who are already a different demographic because of different values (that's why they choose Android and iOS in the first place). But to give the customers and users who want a WP device (because of the OS, not because of the specs) a good experience with their devices. The iPhone 6 doesn't even have an FHD display, despite its display's size of 4.7", looks like iPhone users don't care much about resolution. Your statement reads like "we just want to lure in some Android users". And what good does it if the resolution ain't good for nothing? Are there any real benefits besides being able to decrease the font size (not like it was that huge on current phones)?
Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on anything I'm about to say but it seems you're referring to the 5.7" model and I agree with you :) In screens this small, the difference in pixel density is minimal and it drains more power. It looks like the 5.2" phone has a 1080P screen though from the AdDuplex stats which is mostly a good thing except for the slight drop in pixel density compared to the ICON/930. Most Windows Phone fans know the ICON/930 has battery life and heat problems so keeping the same resolution screen makes things easier for Microsoft to resolve those problems in the 5.2" version :) Mind you, if Microsoft can somehow find a way to run a qHD screen in a phone with other top of the line specs and have good battery life/no heat problems, the only thing that would stop me from buying one is a lack of money :P
The Icon/930 heat thing is purely because of NFC, which is on by default. Almost nobody needs NFC. You turn it off, you get a very well cooled phone, trust me!
Okay, so you guys at the Windows Central staff have already seen pictures of the phones or just the specs?
Sorry, I won't go into details this early. I refer you back to what is written above. When I say something this definitive, you better believe it.
Well, I see no reason not to believe you. Obviously you know more than meets the eye. Somehow I'm feeling the urge to ask you if you know more about the "tough choices" mentioned yesterday. :P
I just hope those flagships come as dual SIM variants too.
Omg you ain't lying.... Need it for a personal and business SIM. Hate giving out my personal number and refuse to use 2 phones...
You know, it's pretty selfish of you to not just spill all your information and tell us your sources. You don't need a career. /sarcasm I think we all trust you pretty well, in reality. We're just beyond ready for these things.
Any confirmation on wireless charging for either of these?
Surprisingly, no. However, I doubt they would omit that unless it's a design thing (metal back cover).
I highly doubt they'd omit wireless charging. Especially with Samsung adopting the tech into their latest flagships. Plus, I think Microsoft has to go all in on this one. They can't afford to dink this launch.
I can't be the only one that thinks chucking in the 810 is a mistake. Particularly following recent emails.
im hoping they throw in the next gen of snapdragon chips. By the time these phones are out, the 810 will be old news.
I have to agree.
I see this variety of comment on so many hardware discussions and find it disheartening the ignorance people have when it comes to this subject. Most hardware is not developed like a PC. There isn't a socket family for these chips. Every new chip is unique in its design and the boards they sit on are designed specifically for it. Why? Because there is currently no reason to design a system that allows the chip to upgraded. Suggesting that the 810 will be old news and should be replaced by whatever will be available by the time the phones ships shows a lack of understanding in how technology is developed and manufactured. It takes a lot of planing to make these phones a reality. Manufacturing is just the last part of a very long process. You can't just scrap it because a new technology emerged. Nothing would ever make it to market that way.
I hope they have wireless charging, I can't go backwards!
Any comment on Stylus or Surface Pen on either phone?
Fall can't come soon enough!
So you can't yet confirm the Talkman specs (just double checking)?
Correct, although they are likely to be accurate. I can, however, only definitely speak to Cityman.
"speak to Cityman." Plot twist: You mean that literally. :P
The Cityman and Talkman names are really growing on me. I actually want those to be the official names.
They won't be though. Guaranteed lawsuit from Sony.
Can you confirm if the 20 megapixel sensor has been changed at all or is it basically the same as the 1520?
Oh God I hope not. The f2.4 aperture on the current sensor was a disappointment & it isn't great for low light video recording (even after denim). It's still a great camera & the fact that it competes with the BEST (like the S6) is proof of that . . . but they need to leap frog Samsung & LG coz they've definitely caught up & their flagships (ironically) do much better in low light. I've heard murmurs of a brand new, slightly larger 1/2.3 sensor that can shoot 4k at 60fps but we'll have to wait and see.
That's a yes then :¬)
Talkman has a 1080p display as with their listings.
Hi Daniel, Just wondering what your thoughts are on the specs, and why would they make them so similar, besides screen size and processor. I would of thought maybe different resolution of camera.
@thecanuckguy, It may not appear to be much difference from 5.2" & 5.7" but from a usability standpoint it does. I hope they something around 4.5" just for those who prefer a smaller phone, have small hands or short fingers.
You better ask Jason Ward about this... He is the one who can explain everything.. May be he will cover it in coming Highs and Lows series ;)
Would love to know the status of qi in the next phones....
"RM-1100" - looks like Lumia tablet or whatever name it will have. Fine.
I very much hope they have chosen a proper SOC and not one of the resent overheating ones from Qualcomm. SD 810 has by now a very bad rep.
SD 810 v2.1. You cannot ignore that updated chipset, which reportedly fixes the overheating.
I hope so but a reputation is an reputation and something hard to get rid of even if the version 2 has fixed things. A such it will always be an hamper wathever the facts. Still it needs more than a version number to still my fears. I will wait for a proper analyze from sites such as anandtech for example before I'm hapy. (Not an slur on WPC, just that I feel better when there is around20 sides of fact sheet backing this kind of rumer up)
Except it doesn't. Sony is using it on the Z4/Z3+ already and the problems remain with customers complaining already. It's to the point where vendors are warning people about devices with the SD810 in them and the Z3+, with the v2.1, is performing worse than the Z3 with the SD801. Microsoft would be wise to just skip it altogether. If necessary, wait for the SD820 or simply go SD808 in both devices (or get an Exynos from Samsung).
To be fair, the Xperia Zx series always had a heating problem regardless of the SOC.
People always complained about it in Z1, Z2 & Z3 .... My brother have a Z1 & I saw the Phone Is Getting Hot notification plenty of times.
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As far as I know, the 820 is scheduled for a 2016 release .... Fanboys would snap lol
I say wait for the 820.