The head of Microsoft's marketing efforts, Chris Capossela, may have made a slight slip and confirmed the existence of the rumored Lumia 650 smartphone. Capossela could have indirectly made that reveal as part of an interview during today's Windows Weekly podcast.
During the podcast, ZDNet's Mary Jo Foley asked Capossela when the Lumia 650 would be released, and Capossela reportedly replied that they had not announced a release date yet. Obviously, Capossela didn't flat out state that the Lumia 650 was in the works, but if this report is accurate, the inference would seem to be clear.
We have already reported extensively on Microsoft's plans for the Lumia 650, and even got leading render creator @PhoneDesigner to make some unofficial renders of the phone, based what our sources have shown us about the device. Here's a reminder of what our sources say will be inside the phone
Microsoft Lumia 650 Specs (rumored)
- Windows 10 Mobile
- Colors: Matte White or Matte Black
- 5-inch AMOLED 720p display
- Snapdragon 212 processor
- 1GB of RAM
- 8GB of storage with micro SD expansion
- 5MP front-facing camera; 8MP rear with LED flash
- No wireless charging
Microsoft could announce the new Lumia sometime during the World Mobile Congress in Barcelona, Spain in late February with at least Cricket Wireless in the US picking it up for April.
The Lumia 650 is geared as Microsoft's low-cost business phone meant for mass-purchasing similar to how the Lumia 640 and Lumia 640 XL were marketed in early 2015.
Finally, the Lumia 650 is likely the last Lumia to be made by Microsoft as all efforts switch to the 'Panos phone' for fall 2016. You can find more information about that phone in our extensive article 'The Surface Phone you've always wanted is happening'.
Source: Windows Weekly; Via: For The Love of Tech
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Maybe im wrong but i think that it should be better than 640 in a lot of things but i dont see it.
wow why would microsoft make the 950 plastic body the flagship when the 650 look is awsome with its metal band, says it all really.
Please Microsoft please make it 2/16 GB. Please.
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I'm waiting for surface phone
Once again, Microsoft is clear as mud with how they number phones. Not everyone is going to bother to do research. They need to make these numbers mean something. Samsung and IOS phones names are clear and easily understandable as an upgrade. The Lumia numbers are convoluted to the point of meaningless
Doesn't it matters about numbers , but we want faster or atleast same processor as Lumia640
I know it will not happen, but I hope 650 has continuum. It doesn't need to have multitasking. For example, it should be able to open at least one app at a time. I mean, It's a business phone.
Even with the s212, I'm more hyped for this than the flagships. I just want an affordable windows 10 phone. Hopefully it comes to tmobile and runs smooth.
give me that Lockscreen wallpaper plz??
At this point who cares,in comparison to the rollout of the 950-950xl why get your hopes up what microsoft truly needs is a joint venture between their marketing department and their sales department...been waiting now what is it a month now for the 950xl their exclusive carrier refuses to carry it and if you are living inside a microsoft store you might get one of 5 they ship in a week.....truly sad they still don't get the art of the sale maybe they should poach someone from apple because if nothing else apple is the ultimate sales machine at the same time MS is just learning where the ignition key goes.
"last Lumia made by microsoft" <-- interesting statement
99% of the people are not gurus they will look at the L650 and be seduced by its Amoled Screen ( I had a 925 so I know that it is much superior to the 640 in colour saturation and blacks ) , its premium casing , its 5megapixel front shooter , and hopefully its very reasonable price which means , given all above upgrades , that the processor can not be too costly . Microsoft is still a commercial company that must show a profit . Anyway the processor is hidden , almost no one cares . For info the sd212 is somewhat superior both in mobile performance and graphics engine to the older sd400 . If battery life is the same as the 640 and there is a dual SIM version , it's surely a winner . Toss in a XL version for the big phone loving crowd (to which I don't belong) , and rock and roll .
hi Daniel
can you tell me Msft says they going to release 6 phones a year my question is are they talking about the 2015 and onwards if this year is included then we have left with 2 remaining phones we already have 950,xl,550 & remaining 2 are 650 and other one could be 750 or 850 plus npu says at least 2 lumias are coming according to their sources one other phone not 650 is under testing in India and Indonesia are npu are wrong daniel? you are saying 650 is last lumia but if I am not wrong I read that Msft say lumia 550 is 640 successor
Mediocre specs especially when this was the hear of the affordable flagships with many low end devices having amazing specs. 1 gigabyte of ram just does not cut it. If it was 'midrange' a new snapdragon 410/412/415 or whatever would be put instead of a 212
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WP or WM is not Android . Much less processing power needed . You can't compare
I watched the podcast for about 45 min and he defo says he's tried out the 650 and they haven't got a release date yet, Weirdly he also mentioned the 840 which I was confused by. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Saw a 840 on a Chinese website .
I hope they will still sell it in August, when my contract for Lumia 630 ends.
Still at it with the low end phones? Is this strategy even working? They didn't get much market share with their previous entry level phones, how will having wp10 work unless they bundle the monitor, keyboard and mouse along with the phone and 365 subscription....
They will have even much lesser market share with the 950 and 950XL , few fans will buy it and that will be all . Microsoft has not a problem of hardware , it has a problem of ecosystem , apps namely . Doesn't matter much what processor they put in their phones . Just keep it cheap to attract more buyers
I guess colorful Lumias are history? Cool anyway :)
So it's official, 650 looks better than 950 and 950 XL.
MSFT need to really sort themselves out.
A 212 chip would it be better then the ageing 400 chip in the current 640 and XL ?
I just realized how genius this is
Microsoft should stop dreaming about phones, and start working on their operating system, which since the beginning it's just a workaround experience with only visual improvements! I am tired of it!
Let's put the facts right. Qualcomm only made the sd2XX series in order to compete with mediatek which is dominating in the entry level SOCs. SD2XX is the bare minimum of ARM socs which they want to put on sub 100€ phones.
If this phone is indeed the 650 then it won't be midrange by any stretch of the imagination. It will be a glorified entry-level phone (just like 830 was "the affordable flagship").
At the same time, even Samsung puts pretty much spot on specs on genuine midrangers (J series) meaning that Windows Phone in general have lost the "bang for your buck" moto.
Leaving folks like me located in Europe, without a single windows mobile midranger.. Another truth, W10m is just more power hungry than WP8.1 and SD400 is BARELY able to deliver a smooth experience.
So Winphone NEEDS a well spec'd -genuine mid of the pack phone because currently there is a huuuge gap between 950/930/1520/m8 and everything else.
Agree with every word.
650 doesn't motivate me to change my 640xl. Better specs are only possible motive. And reasonable price, of course. Microsoft have some really strange business politic. Perhaps they use there own phones for business, so they are confused.
U people brought to mobile phone only for look.
Obviously, they are not just a software company. And 650 with this specs isn't midrange, it's lower.
I don't think this phone will cost under 200$ or maybe around 250$ , you know how microsoft's "premium" prices are , no one expected the 830 last year to cost what it costed for the specs it had , and for the specs for this device , I think it's a real disappointment , but on the plus side , seems like the "panos"/ surface phone will be gorgeous!
3 base models 550 low end , 650 midrange , 950 flagship is good enough . I thought Microsoft was a software company . Microsoft please put a couple of 100 mils in hiring software engineers to close the couple of hundred or so missing apps gap , or else even with a Xeon CPU and 500 gigs of memory the surface phone is DOA . Apps , apps , apps
Obviously nobody has used one yet, so we don't know how it would perform etc. but from the rumoured specs. wouldn't the 650 still come close to the low end, rather than mid range? Even if they are both fairly low end devices I don't see that as a problem as long as OEMs come out with numerous devices in the middle.
Something reasonably priced with the Hello and Continuum features but only 1080p display (Looks fantastic on the Lumia 930, so is enough for me personally) could sell very well and fill this mid range gap, if the camera is roughly as good as the Lumia 930 say, it would be a pretty amazing phone if the price is right
Dan . A sd410 would have been better then a sd212 I agree , price issue I guess . Continuum requires too much processing power for a midrange. The killer features are the apps , not the hardware in my humble opinion
Agreed. The 6 & 550 are both low end. It's plain off why they're churning this rubbish out - Nokia down range leftovers that are frankly damaging msft in this space.
If 410sd or + it would be great
I did like the layout of the start screen. Hmm I must try it :)
http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com/compare/1093-1102-1184/Qualcomm-Snap...
End of the story
Aww, why are they ditching all the colours with the Lumia line? :(
It seems there are lots of tech gigs around here.This phone is not for you.Get the 950xl and have aspecfull fun.
This Snapdragon is a joke!
It would suck of they don't make it a competitor of Moto g.
Replaced my L925 (mainboard no longer produced ) by a L640 dual Sim LTE bout a month ago and don't regret it . I warmly recommend that phone if you don't want to spend too much . The 650 with Amoled screen , a faster processor (212, no more 410 but both quad cores ) and a nicer casing (metallic sides ) will address the only mild criticisms I have regarding the 640 ,on display , speed and aesthetic . Lets wait for the specs , hope there is a dual SIM version and price is no too much more expensive then the 640 . I will probably get one once available here in Malaysia , which may take time or in Singapore or Europe . Good luck to MFST with the surface phone , am just afraid that without Microsoft closing the apps gap , it will not increase much Microsoft market share in phones . Hope am wrong .
stop making budget phones, and invest in apps and buf fixes of the software :(
Microsoft is stopping after the 650 , otherwise I agree with you
They always couple a great design to anaemic hardware. It's okay if the handsets cost 10$ higher with the better chipset, as it will significantly increase the appeal.
Absolutely sexy phone. Best use of 830 and 640 aesthetics.
This device looks soooooo goooood
It looks **** cool
This new 650 is looking like Chinese phone or a phone from companies like micromax
I'm ok with the specs if the price is lower than 640 or almost similar. But the naming has started confusing a bit now especially when the successors have lesser or similar sepcs to their predecessors. I would be happy if they called this lumia 645. for 650 I would expect 1.5GB RAM, SD 41xx, 13MP RFC, 5MP FFC etc.
I wish they use atleast Snapdragon 412 instead of 212. I am currently using 640 and pretty happy and impressed by Windows phone. Running Windows 10 build 10.0.10586.36.
the wrost lumia..design
Those screens look gorgeous. These are the kinds of images they should use in marketing. Not the android blue backgrounds I've been seeing so far for windows 10
'The Lumia 650 is likely the last Lumia to be made by Microsoft'.
This is the end of an era, folks.
Since future devices will be under panos.
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I was pleasantly surprised at how well my 640 did everything for me when I replaced my damaged 1020 with it. IMHO, the 640 is basically the best device for the Windows 10 experience if continuum is not important to you. For a refresh, I would've expected an upgraded processor or the same processor. The downgrade to a 212 from a 410 seems pretty heart breaking from a spec standpoint. How it translates to user experience will be the real story. I will be sure to give it a test drive when it comes out at the local brick & mortar store.
One correction in your comment, The current Lumia 640 is not using 410 but using Snapdragon 400.
Ref: http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_lumia_640_dual_sim-7082.php
and I agree that 212 is not upgrade for current 640 users, they should atleast use Snapdragon 412.
Sorry, you are right. Got a little mixed up with the numbers.
This man speaks the truth. Attempting to artificially create tiers of phones by stripping out things that cost insanely small amounts of money is just ridiculous. Let the processor, storage, and RAM create the tiers... things that make sense. Make the camera button a standout Windows Phone feature in all models like it used to be!
No XL? Low memory, but low price? Microsoft disappointing again. We need phone in mid range, something about 350$ with nice specs and good camera. I have 640xl and loving it. I can not, and I don wont to, to pay 700$ for the phone. In my country that is insane amount of money. If Microsoft wants only phone for the rich people, and garbage for the rest, than alright. I respect that and going to look for some other phones. At least they have cheap phone for the business people, although, I don't understand why will business people want cheap phone.
The lumia 650 design looks wow and better but also users these days look for a very good cameras, big storage, better battery life and a bigger screen.
SD 212? Not interested. I don't want it
Another POS added to the ridiculously long and confusing line of garbage Lumia phones. Microsoft needs to cut their losses and drop the "Lumia" name for their phones. There's just too much negative baggage with that name. "Surface phone" has a better sound :)
No, it doesn't. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Lumia phones. I love every single one. And Lumia is far better name than surface.
Get out of the zoo! There is nothing wrong with that name.
Yeah your right... There's nothing wrong... That's why it's doing so well. I think we are sadly under 3% of the smartphone market share now.
I doubt smartphone buyers make their selection based on the name "Lumia" or "Surface". The small percentage who closely follow a mobile device's pedigree are probably knowledgeable enough to respect the Lumia brand name and—more importantly—judge a phone on its merits.
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Panos phone?
The phone Panos Panay is working on. Most likely the Surface Phone
I think if Microsoft want to get success in mobile market they should make insider programme for hardware is well
Need to get w10m stable first
Agreed. That's what OEMs may be waiting for too ( I guess).
Man 212???
I can surely say that Android smartphones with Snapdragon 650 and 652 processors would come in price range of Lumia 650 in Q1 2016 in India, the advantage of bang for buck of Lumia over average Android smartphones in Low end smartphone market is gone now.
Snapdragon 415, the processor used by Micromax canvas nitro 4G E55 or Snapdragon 425 should be used by Lumia 650; Snapdragon 212 should have been used in Lumia 550
What happened to the 7x0 series? 730, 740 and now it seems that there will be no 750. The 7x0 is the best product when price, performance and quality is concerned and sits right at the centre of the Lumia line up. How can you ignore it?
Seeing Samsung Galaxy A series 2016 design, quality construction and Minimum bezels, and powerful processors and specifications, I hope that Microsoft would improve the design, quality and make at least little less bezels for upcoming Lumias and use latest Snapdragon processors in their low and Mid range Lumias as per price range
I don't like Samsung's design. Even the silver coating on the bezels is not permanant and it looks very bad when it gets out.
Agree with you, and Samsung galaxy A 2016 series is made entirely of aluminium and glass construction.
Replace Brand Microsoft to Nokia. I will buy that
Get real. soon enough you will get your wish with Android
This time Nokia won't take chances and week launch devices with both OS's.
But if Lg,Sony,HTC, cant make money on Android phones Nokia sure as **** ai t going to either
Haha. Need Nokia back to phone battlefield. Mostly all design and some hardware microsoft build is bad.. XD
Except of course that nor LG, nor Sony, nor HTC have been able to make money out of Android phones.
Even the smallest Android OEM is earning more money in mobile than Microsoft.
Nokia should do what Xiaomi is doing with Mi Pad 2 and the Mi4.. Sell phones on android so vast majority of android fans can buy it, and make Windows 10 Mobile ROM for the Nokia+WP fans can buy.. And bring Windows 10 version of the N1..
God that would be amazing for the dormant Nokia fanboy inside me
Nokia had burnt their fans turning to poorer design with misc. Android handsets and tablets. You're envisioning suicide.
The 640 was a great upgrade to the 635. I just dont see this 650 as the same step up from the 640.
Yes, compared to what Lumia 640 was to Lumia 630/635, the 650 won't be such upgrade to Lumia 650. Especially, the processor should get a jump to Snapdragon 415 or 425, but is seeing retrograde to Snapdragon 212.
I'd love something as fast as my 930 with 1080p display, continuum and Windows Hello but reasonably cheaper than the 950 with it being more mid range. Maybe something from OEMS early next year
Acer's upcoming phone is the best for your condition
trying to figure why they put metal frame on this one and left it out on the 950... it looks good though.
I would say the metal was a last minute addition after the outcry with the 950
it's possible... but still, it's usually reserved for high ends, it's kind of weird to see it on such cheaper phone lol
If it is just like the renders, I will say that it's a beautiful phone, but hobbled by lame specs. This thing could have been awesome!
Lack of any more Lumias because of that rumored Surface Phone makes me sad. For one because no Surface branded product is officially available in my country because of limited distribution. And second, I'm sure it will be darn expensive. The prices get even more hiked in my country due to shipments, customs and taxation. I hope they come out with really great successors of Lumia 950 and 950 XL by then along with Surface Phone.
Crappy specs when compared to other low end mid range models..
Can Snapdragon 212 do wireless projection (Miracast) like the 400 in both the 630 and 640?
Ohhh m g.....ms is having marketing team too......
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"Finally, the Lumia 650 is likely the last Lumia to be made by Microsoft as all efforts switch to the 'Panos phone' for fall 2016."
I hadn't heard this before. Daniel's article indicates that there is a Panos Phone in the works, but I didn't see that he said that no more Lumias would be made.
Man, those things are hideous.
Hopefully T-Mobile will carry it.
not a chance to get a new windows phone under 4.5 inches, right? i guess i am so far the only one who is looking for a "small" screen..
You will get it eventually.. ;)
Yes it would appear you are the only one even the iPhones are 4.7
But there is that 435
550 is the closest you'll get.
I thought this www supposed to be the 850. Not 650
850 was cancelled many moons ago.
To be honest, so was the 650 according to that very same rumor.
Annoyingly.
Sadly, some of the best recent WP Microsoft phones are the ones they cancelled.
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Lame.
People ***** too much about these phones. Looks great to me.
Looks good sure.... Like a plastic back iPhone 4
My gut is telling me that I'm just going to upgrade my 640 to a 640xl when the price drops.
Wish theyd stop using renders with the virtual bottoms visible
Wow, the last time I saw an all white Windows Phone was a good while ago. And that would be the HTC Radar 4G.
Snapdragon212 is such a meh for me! It is slightly better than SD400 (actually you can't see real difference in your experience), which could be ok, but since it's the same experience from more than an year ago, I can't see it as an upgrade. And the GPU is worse, and that will be perceived for most of the users when playing games.
BT4.1 em HDv are just fluffy, it won't be a deal maker for anybody!
8gb snapdragon 212 ? Really ?
Looking forward to more news on this, hopefully it'll come to T-Mobile - wishing I had a better option than the 435.
For the love of God, PLEASE put a FRICKEN CAMERA BUTTON on the phone! Spend the extra $.20 a phone and have something truly unique across your entire lineup that neither Android or iPhone have. It's such an odd thing to cheap out on. The key flex ribbon is already there for power and volume, just make it longer. I mean we're talking pennies in exchange for a truly distinct yet EXCEPTIONALLY USEFUL feature that just about EVERYBODY can appreciate on a very regular basis.
I got many people to switch over to WP just for that button. Now all but one have switched back because they don't want to spend C$500-900 on a phone just for that button.
I'm rocking a 735 right now (my 1020 died), and that button is sorely missed and I hate not having it.
Agreed
Absolutely!
I second that. I'm still hanging on to my Lumia 620 because it has the camera button and it makes a fast pocket camera.
IPhones do have a camera button, they use one of the volume buttons.
Totally not the same thing. I have an iPhone. You can only snap the picture with the volume button on an iPhone. You cannot launch the camera with the button. Also, Windows Phone camera buttons are two stages, like a real camera. Half press to start and lock focus and metering. Just like a real camera. Full press to take the picture.
I most emphatically agree--PUT A CAMERA BUTTON ON ALL WINDOWS PHONES!!!!!!
Ditch the the weak, useless flash if necesarry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
flashlight?
Totally agree with across the range camera button.
I would like to see wireless charging fo that way too, as once you have gotten use to this feature and invested in the hardware, it is a step backwards that you don't want to take!
"if this report is accurate"
He literally said it. How is this a report that could be considered inaccurate?
I would upgrade from my 640 to this 650 while I wait for the "Panos" phone.
Same here that's my plan as well. I purchased the 640 on Black Friday for $40 and put Windows 10 on itbecause I didn't want to get the 950 with the possibility of the "Panos" phone coming out late 2016. So the 640 is my stop gap but if the 650 is offered at a good price; it'll be my new stop gap until the "Panos/Surface" phone comes out. The 650 looks a little more premium for the type of phone it's intended to be.
W10M should get a momentum before Panos Phone.. Otherwise, Panos Phone will be treated just like L950 [[ 1.Buggy OS ( not for me, but for some ) , 2. App Gap ]] ... W10M is almost on the final stage and is improving day by day.. But for an App centric crowd, WPs are not going to be satisfying... Sad... But true..
Sadly I think these look better than the 950/XLs. I'm almost tempted to get one of these and just wait for the 'Panos phone'
Put a Mozo case on a 950/XL and they look about the same. With the 950/XL having the advantage of the replacable back cover (and battery) Even when you get dents it's replaceble. On the 650 it does not look to be the case.
You'd perhaps even better wait for new Mozo cases. Maybe Mozo will give us a Panos Phone case.
Exactly.. ;)
And add 50 to the cost
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You don't have that option in an iPhone.. So there's that.. ;)
You don't have wireless charging in the iPhone......well, until it's magically reinvented :)
It seems that this device is either really new and a response from 950 series looks, or maybe even older design reference that is evolution from 930 or 830, only reused for 650.
Its indeed shame though that they didn't make this for 950 series. Metal frame isn't everything (Lumia flagships in the past all have unique, stunning and iconic looks) but it's way more looks better and it at least gives a better reputation for the device. Lumia 950 series compromise is really the looks.
If we getting low/midrange phones now with 1gb of ram...it better run buttery smooth as ios. Even on the gaming end.
All depends on how skilled the devs are
Actually, Mary Jo asked him when the 650 would come out because he had said he had been using the 950 and the 650. I heard him say "the 650" twice before she asked him that question, so either he was referring to the 550, either it was intentional. I think I also heard him say "the 840", but I could be wrong. We'll know that for sure when the podcast gets released.
You are correct, he mentioned it at least twice before she asked.
Yeah he confused 830 for 840 so it is not unreasonable to assume that he also confused 550 for 650.
No xl?
Nope... Sorry
I might be wrong but I think he mentioned 2 times he has bee using one...
Yes he mentioned it a couple times before she asked for a release date.
You're right. Paul Thurrott added an edit that Chris was talking about the 550 and got the numbers mixed up.
But he also said "no release date yet". Hasn't the 550 been released?
Where can we get that wallpaper though
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He is always coy about the wallpapers he shows, yes I mean you Daniel
They use to have a section on the app that they would keep up
I mean.. You can get a phone for 200€ with Snapdragon 615, FullHD, 2Gb of ram, aluminium & glass, front flash.. 13mp & 5mp front.. And we get this??
You can also get such a windows phone ... Wait for Blu to release there windows phone.. Or may be Xiaomi will release one.. So be patient..
That's what will happen at CES and MWC. Microsoft is defining bottom and top and letting OEMs fill in the middle. We'll see what actually comes to be in a few weeks.
I hope the same.. But I'm worried ... What if other OEMs have nothing to share regarding Windows 10 Mobile.. If they do.. We would have already seen some leaks.. I really wish there will be something from other OEMs other than Acer Jade Primo and Acer Liquid XXX.. Fingers and even my legs crossed.. :D
Android phones come with more variations of Snapdragon 4xx & 6xx series with more RAM(2GB) and storage(16GB) in this segment/price range. But no windows phone will ever come with better specs like these in this price range because: 1) Microsoft doesn't support too many no. of these SoCs(?) 2) Idek why but they won't. Everything from $60 phone to $450 phone will come with 5" 720p, 8GB storage, 1GB RAM, Snapdragon 210, 212, 410. Which bamboozles the heck out of me. Maybe someone can explain this strategy to me. How do they even come up with all similar value phones from lowest to highest price points?
You do have a really good point..
Which phone are you referring to, exactly? It sounds interesting.
It sold for 200€ in our stores https://eviewer.netmedia-europe.be/cache/server?type=image&origin=pb&sou...
Don't let the brand or something fool you, they make super PCs too. German indeed.
Lumia 550 and 650 almost the same phones? I don't get it...
I'd isn't it?
Yeah, I don't know why aren't they releasing any s4** or s6** phones.
i know its render but no USB Type C?
No details just yet.
my understending is that for USB type C device will need USB 3.1 controler (new signaling and supoer revers polarity) which have only SD8XX series SoC. OEM could add external USB controler to device but that will cost extra many I don't expect such action. So i'm right then odoption of USB type C will be very slow if other SoC supliers not push this new connector.
all device currenlty have USB type C do have hardware support on SoC (SD810 or intell atom) just Android support USB 3.0 from version 6 so all below version of android works only as USB 2 this new use USB port.
The sd808 also has Usb 3.1
Please Microsoft.. Stop making worse specs with successors.. I dont usually care to comment on such things, but this is just hilarious.. 850 would make more sense..
And isn't the 220 worse than the 400 even though the 220 is newer
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You mean 212 and no. Snapdragon 212 has HD Voice and BT4.1 (neither in 400) and is clocked slightly higher (1.3 GHz vs 1.2 in the Lumia 640).
I suggest reading Qualcomm's spec sheets to learn more.
They could still go for 400s series like everyone else on the market.. Mehh
...and charge more for the phone.
It's not like you can just add in a 410 and keep it the same price. If their goal is to sell this for 169€ or less (Lumia 640 was between $89 and $120 off contract in the States) you can't just eat the cost.
You seem to be confusing the phone YOU want and the phone Microsoft wants to sell. Two different things.
So what they did here is just add a visual upgrade (yes it looks really nice) and opted in for lower end processor (again) to make sure the price stays low. I get that.. Will people reading numbers get it? This phone will probably sell for 50€ after a month of release..
Personally, I'd prefer for Microsoft to announce the phone, full specs, pricing and their marketing angle for it before rushing to judgement.
Regarding "reading numbers" I can't name a single one of my friends who isn't a techy nerd who knows anything about Qualcomm processors and their pros/cons. Let's face it, such details are not consumer facing selling points.
What normal users do care about is if the phone performs well and executes the tasks that they want. Like any other phone, the Lumia 650 will have to demonstrate that too, but until that time, it seems silly to waste our time debating it.
Last I checked, the Lumia 640 was a well-reviewed device by many sites. Not sure why a refresh to it would be a bad thing.
I agree, but only because im Microsoft fan and giving them a chance. If this phone will run flawlessly then I say GG. My worries are mostly because of how WM10 performs on high end and my 830..
I agree just would like to see 2gb ram as a min for a mid range
3 for high
2 for mid
1 for low like the 550
Is this mid or low end?
6 series would be mid
SD200 is too slow for midrange.
No **** but the 6 series has always been the low end of midrange
Sure Daniel, i agree with you...but when Nokia come back at 2016, would Nokia use Lumia again?
The 640 is a fantastic phone for the price , that is correct . Especially the battery life . Probably the best Lumia ever in terms of price/performance ratio . Being a Nokia fan for 20 years initially , I thought I would never buy a phone that doesn't have Nokia name on it . I was wrong . I like the 950 but prefer to put more money on a flagship laptop with Win10 then on a flagship phone . I guess most people are like me
Ah, the voice of reason rings like a clear bell among the background noise. How many typical customers will care about the processor model #? And large-scale IT purchasers will be smart enough to check specs and real-world performance data when it becomes available. Neither of these groups will be demanding a new metal framed Lumia that's super affordable—but only if it's also powerful enough to run their favorite resource intensive games.
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At $29, even eight months later, MS is eating some dog food, so to speak. Hopefully the 650 will come with the SD410 and the 850 will come with SD615 and the 750 won't be released. Both need to be priced aggressively. It's that simple. The 830 was hugely overpriced and the 640XL was moderately overpriced.
20 USD more isn't gonna matter
So, are you saying Microsofts approach is build it and they will come, as opposed to give the customer what he wants, which surely sounds a better idea in a market economy. Reading the comments, it is not just this guy who thinks 212 is a terrible idea, and this may be due to lack of knowledge. However having to educate your target audience that purchasing a product isn't a retrograde idea, is really going to be a hard sell for the sales and marketing people, customers are risk averse and there are plenty of safe alternatives.
Not sure about charging price high coz, l550 itself is hilariously high. Comparable hardware specs from android will be rs. 5000 max even at launch price for the likelihood of l550. So l650 will be charged high irrespective of processor.
Then the specs on the MS website must be inaccurate because it shows the 640 is capable of HD Voice.
That's why i didn't say it was.
I usally do read the full specs from Qualcomm s page but hadn't yet
And on June 2 you yourself wrote an article about the 640 having hd voice
http://m.windowscentral.com/microsoft-enabling-native-wi-fi-calling-hd-v...
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I was reading Qualcomm's data sheet for the 400, which does not advertise that feature for whatever reason.
Qualcomm's spec sheets isn't accurate, they have more variants of thsi SoC .. SD400 is capable of HD VOICE Qualcomm have on page Sharp AQUOS Crystal https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/smartphones/sharp-aquos-cry...
SD212 will have BT 4.1 and better modem (X5 LTE), but I'm not sure about LTE Broadcast and Wi-Fi calling with LTE call continuity. Defenetly SD400 will have better CPU and even GPU, so more power hungry
Design looks very good if this will solid build quality as L830 with competive price (under 200$) this will be blockbuster. I'm afraid they will kill this device with price. I would expect continuum into bussines phone, that not going happen with SD2XX nor SD4XX
Yeah continuum is important. Plus SD200 series is too weak for mid range or business class lumias. Reviewers are gonna get this strong point to criticize.
But is it better than the 400 in the 640. Specs mean little if its not better for evetyday use than what it is trying to replace. Public preception of a 2xx, vs a 4xx is going to make a big difference to the uninformed public.
It would be the same as ms trying making a high end phone and calling it the Lumia 320 and still trying to tell us it was better then the 950
400 has full HD video recording and playback..so you mean to say 212 supports both and the graphics is better with Adreno 304
Clock speed doesn't reflect how efficient a processor is. The 810 is clocked at 2ghz vs the 805 at 2.5ghz. It's the cores it uses and how many. I don't have a spec sheet near me but the a53 cores are much slower than the a57 though can be clocked higher. Slower in the sense that it takes more cycles to complete tasks than the a57 cores. A person running a mile in 5 minutes is not as fast as a person running 2 miles in 7 minutes.
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