Exclusive renders: the Microsoft Lumia 650 brings metal to the mid-range

Sometime in early 2016, likely between January and February, Microsoft is expected to announce a new lower-tier Windows Phone. According to our sources, the Lumia 650 (codename Saana) is being positioned as a low-cost business device for companies to mass deploy to their employees.

Windows Central has partnered with @PhoneDesigner to bring you these exclusive renders of the upcoming Lumia 650. The renders themselves are based on internal Microsoft slides for the phone. While these images are not official at least according to our sources, they are highly reflective of the final product.

Backstory

According to our reporting, the Microsoft Lumia 650 was initially cancelled with the Lumia 750 and Lumia 850 back in July 2015 following Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella's letter to employees.

However, just a week later the project's status was reversed. From our understanding, the device (known only as Saana at the time) went through a few redesign efforts to be marketed as Microsoft's business phone. The phone is expected to be sold en masse to companies looking for a low-cost, but capable Windows 10 Mobile solution and takes over for the Lumia 640.

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The phone's new look does add a professional aesthetic when compared to the Lumia 640 and Lumia 640 XL, which were also positioned for business use by Microsoft back in early 2015.

While the Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL are placed as the top-tier Windows 10 Mobile devices, their $550 and $650 price points make bulk deployments unlikely. Nonetheless, with their support for Continuum both phones can easily be sold for mobile professionals who need max specifications.

Regarding specifications, the Lumia 650 is not a barnburner, but it does bring a new design language that is very reminiscent of earlier iPhone designs. With its chrome sides and thin profile, the Lumia 650 looks like a premium budget phone. The effect of the metal band is similar to adding a Mozo case to the Lumia 950, and it seems Microsoft has learned a bit from that design folly.

Lumia 650 Specifications (likely)

Windows 10 Mobile
Colors: Matte White or Matte Black
5-inch 720p display
Snapdragon 212 processor
1GB of RAM
8GB of storage with micro SD expansion
5MP front-facing camera; 8MP rear with LED flash
No wireless charging

New CPU?

Also, our latest information points to a change in regards to the processor. Our report initially suggested the Lumia 650 would support a Snapdragon 410 while other reports claimed a Snapdragon 210.

Interestingly enough, it may be the case that both reports are wrong, as we now hear the Lumia 650 will ship with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 212. The Quaclomm Snapdragon 212 features a quad-core ARM Cortex A7 CPU with a 1.3 GHz CPU, Adreno 304 GPU, and support for X5 LTE and 1080p Full HD video playback.

Additional modern features include support for Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0, dual-SIM configurations, Bluetooth 4.1, NFC, HD Voice, and Wi-Fi calling.

Expected release

Microsoft is unlikely to announce the Lumia 650 at the 2016 Consumer Electronic Show (CES) in Las Vegas in early January. Microsoft typical eschews this event for announcements, instead letting their OEM partners have their moment. We expect a few OEM partners to showcase new Windows Phones this year.

Instead, Microsoft may opt for a low-key announcement on their own, or, more likely, something for Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, Spain. That event takes place between February 22 and February 25. Last year, Microsoft announced the Lumia 640 and Lumia 640 XL at that event making a repeat a possibility.

Additionally, we have heard that in the U.S., at least, one carrier – Cricket Wireless – will be taking stock of the device likely in April. Cricket was one of the first carriers to pick up the Lumia 640 in May 2015 ($129 at the time) making a Lumia 650 pickup a natural replacement. Other carriers are possible, however, at this time, we have no further information to add.

Special thanks to @PhoneDesigner who worked with us on this story on their renders. To see more of their work, please visit phonedesigner.eu and their Facebook page

More information

Microsoft Lumia 650 topic page, news and details

Microsoft Lumia 650 forums at Windows Central

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Awesome
It looks very good.
Take it with a grain of salt. Last time Windows Central rendered 950XL, it was way better than the real thing.
Really? Our renders were quite accurate and didn't add any flair to my knowledge. But sure, there is always a reality between renders and terrible, low-res spy photos that users will have to find. The 950 may not have been as great as the renders (I disagree), but it was way better than the leaked photos too.
The main difference between the renders and the actual phones were the capacitive buttons. And yeah, that was a fairly significant disappointment. But WC was spot on with everything else.
Waste of money, why the Qualcom 212, should have been the 600 series.
Series is not equivalent to quality. The Snapdragon 400 in the Lumia 640 had a 1.2GHz quad-core CPU, while the new Snapdragon 212 has a 1.3GHz quad-core CPU. While the difference in speed is not very much, the 212 is a more efficient choice for a budget phone, since the SD400 takes advantage of features the Lumia 640 never had, like 1080p display and 13.5MP camera. Without those and since the Lumia 650 will likely also have a 720p display and 8MP camera, the 650 just needs a quick CPU for the price point.
Are you kidding? Everybody hated the renders and much preferred the real thing...
Actually some people far as I remember do like those renders too. I don't like it though since the first unofficial renders of 950 series. The first impression of shockingly underwhelming looks for a flagship persist even now despite of tons of photos and videos spreading around. Soon I will get hands of it when it's available but I the only I would expect to like is the feel and build quality, not looks.
It feels good. Not quite as good as my 920, but much thinner and (shockingly) quite lighter. (185g vs 165g). Little bezels, and they really crammed the screen into the body like their SP4. Metal buttons and logo, and buying unlocked means no carrier into on startup or branding on the back. In many ways, it feels more premium than my 920.
I too like the feel of the phone. I didn't sense "plastic" feel until I popped the back off to put in the sim and MicroSD. it is a solid, but light phone. Thin compared to anything that came before in this range. It is running warm, but not as blistering hot as my 930. Also, battery lifef is compromised, but consider I have been fooling with it and tweaking it on and off charge. As for charging, it does charge noticiably faster. I was doing a lot of fooling around and watching video, and starting and stopping the device and ran it from 75% to 19% this morning (lots of fooling around and downloading). Put to the charger here, and it was at 35% in about 25 minutes and 53% after 45 minutes. Full chanrge within the hour. In the middle of putting tunes on mine and have most apps updated. The slightly larger screen (from a 930) allows me to put the scaling at 350% and add more tiles. I did that on the 930 as well, but the size was tiny, and my first attempt with the 950 at 300% was simply too small (lettering). 350% strikes the right balance in adding more tiles to the screen, but maintaining readabiilty, even with my 60 year old eyes, in case anyone is interested. It is a two-step process: On Settings > Display, run the slider from 400% to 350%. Apply and the phone will re-start. From there, go to Personalization > Start Screen and select "See more tiles." Have fun crunching your screen to about 50% of the previous size. With creative folders and small icons for things such as non-life tiles, you can easily get rid of almost all scrolling even with a ton of tiles available on Start. I am not yet enamoured with the button set up (non-"real" buttons). You must make sure you feel the haptic response when choosing the back button to bring up the Task view. When shutting down the phone, you should slide them up or you can't see when the phone actually shuts down. But doing so will again wake the phone I think. I have not had a real "off" condition for the phone.
I agree with you. I viewed the pics with a little voice in my head saying 'caution, old boy'
The renders were literally the exact same phone. You're referring to when they made a design of what the 950 would probably look like based on their information. That was fairly accurate too, except it had hardware buttons and a more rectangle shape.
Dude! Goh!
Indeed! Its more like a cousin of 930 but its got removable back instead. Not exactly similar but share similar flair from its metal band.
The expensivie phones look cheap while the cheap phone looks expensive. L650 should do quite well. I wish that L950/XL would have this design.
^^ this ^^
I read all the comments until I got to the first one to address this! MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.....
MAKES ME DISLIKE MY 950 DESIGN EVEN MORE. Bring on the rhetorical Microsoft is putting their stamp on the phones going forward comments.
Look at that crazy button arrangement. The up and down volume together? On a rocker? Not either side of the power button? That'll never catch on... #950XL #sarcasm
Yeah, I'm not sure why they did that with the 950 XL. The ONLY reason I could conjure is that it makes for easier/ one finger screenshots? Weird indeed.
THIS should be the 950XL shame on you Microsoft
Agreed.
Yes it does seem odd that Microsoft should choose what is perceived as a premium look for this phone, but not for the 950 series given that the vast majority of reviewers seem to pick at anything they can find to slate Windows phones. Of course WE understand that the plastic case goes with wireless charging, removable batteries and memory cards, but the media seem reluctant to point that out to the general public. Not half as much fun as using it as an excuse to take a swipe at the platform of course, but as much as I have tried to defend the design decision of the 950 series I can't help but think that MS have handed the media a stick to beat them with. Yet it makes sense. The business community will be more interested in function over design, while the (arguably) more stylish look of this phone will appeal more to it's intended market. So Microsoft have got it right, somebody just needs to tell that to the media.
This is only as it would be expected to be like Posted via the HTC Desire 816 Dual Sim
It looks better than L950/XL with the Mozo back covers on.
No way!
Total mistake not having wireless charging. THIS should be the one thing that Windows Mobile has to differentiate itself from Apple. One of THE main reasons I chose WP three years ago.
I agree that wireless charging should become the norm. But also wonder how much that adds to the cost, size and weight..
With it being a mature technology, I can't believe it is that much cost NOT to include it. They sold many Xbox systems at a loss in the early days to get it out there....They can afford to take a hit on that if it is more cost, but to me the increased sales of something that iPhone (and many Android phones) does not have makes up for it. Samsung did a commercial on the one feature that iPhone does not have (wireless charging) and it was very successful. Makes me wonder if Nadella is hoping mobile hardware (from MS) fails. So many features they had 1st and aside from the 1020's camera, was never marketed. Got to spend money to make money...
The point of not having top end features on a cheaper model though is to tempt you into buying the top model. You're saying Samsung's move was very successful but their smartphone division are losing serious amounts of money by the shedload. You can't keep selling things at a loss just to get the numbers up.
First of all, MS needs to sell "PHONES". At this point they are so far behind the others that trying to limit features in one to get me to buy into another is going to hurt them even more. Second, if MS would release something that is higher-end (950/950XL don't count as they are an experiment for Continuum and only available on one out of four carriers in the US...I couldn't use it if I did buy it) maybe I would be tempted to buy it. I am geographically stuck with Verizon. In Lumia, 735 is my only "flagship" offering. Sad. Third, all I said was wireless charging should, and can be one feature that is Windows Mobile. MS doesn't have to throw all the goodies into lower priced phones, but that ONE feature should be. I am simply stating that this feature should be inexpensive (since it is not new) and become something that Windows Phone is known for. I understand what you are saying and agree. A company cannot keep giving away and expect to turn a profit. This phone is billed for business use. The on-the-go business person should be able to drop the phone on a desk in a coffee shop and have his/her phone charged. It is coming, so be ready.
The trouble is people make these assumptions based on their personal situation, such as you being stuck with Verizon. In the UK NONE of the big four networks are carrying the 950XL, and only two of the four are selling the 950. We assume that Microsoft are failing because they are doing this and that wrong, but what can they do if nobody is carrying it? My only option is to go via Carphone Warehouse on pay monthly contract, or buy it upfront. I also think that, like the app gap, the sales situation is overstated. Windows phone sales have been picking up for quite some time now and while America haven't yet taken to them fully, many places have. In fact I mentioned elsewhere that Windows phones OUTSELL the iPhone, or are very close behind, in many European countries including France, Russia and Italy, although the UK seems to still heavily favour the iPhone. But those few percent sales still represent tens of millions of handsets sold. In any event the profits on the actual handsets themselves are not that high. Microsoft are a software business first and foremost, and it's that software they need to sell rather than the phones. I don't think the 950 series is a Continuum experiment at all. Many of the windows faithful have waited 18 months for a replacement to the 930, and longer for other models so Microsoft are not going to risk losing them too by keeping them waiting even longer. The other thing is they were released with the OS not fully stable, but Redmond didn't want to lose the impetus created by the release of Windows 10. So the 950 phones represent a flagship phone with all the features and power you need with W10. Anything after that will bring more people onto the W10 platform, and I don't think most of those will care much about whether these phones have wireless charging or not. The 950 is the business phone.
What?! No dedicated camera button, which means no pure view camera...
It's budget phone.. Not a flagship
Yeah, but lack of flagship status doesn't mean the camera button has to go.
It does and has done for some time now.
It does? Is that a law or something?
Microsoft announced some time back that only pure view phones will have dedicated camera button
Pure dogma on their part, for sure.
All Win phones should have a camera button that is what should defferintiate MS from a compitions.
MS = Stupid. the Camera button should be one of the things that makes MS phones different. They need a new marketing team. Also low budget does not mean we can't get a Qualcom 600 series chip. Look at the One Plus X now that is a great midreange. I have the 640XL and the specs on the it are way better than this new crap.
The OS makes Windows phones different. You can't keep putting top end features on a budget handset. There has to be compromises. That's why many people pay more and go for the flagship models, to get the features they don't get on the lower end models. The point here is the metal case design is what will attract the buyers, which are likely to be the younger element who have no idea what a specification sheet looks like. If they like the look of the phone they will buy it. The 950 series is aimed at the more professional market where the look of the phone isn't (or shouldn't be) more important. I for one don't care what the (950 series) phone looks like, I have never spent any time looking at anything other than the screen and I don't pull the phone out to wave around under other people's noses to say "Hey, look how cool I am, I have a premium phone". However the ones who buy THIS model will buy it because it looks premium. They won't care too much if it has a camera button or wireless charging, in fact most probably won't even notice. If it looks like an iPhone for a fraction of the price it will probably sell by the bucketload.
The 520 had a dedicated camera button.
For the past couple years, pretty much all new phones below the 900 series did not have a dedicated camera button.
830 has :P
Yeah, well, the 520 is three generations old. Get over it.
Why get over it? It's working great here :p Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
windows phone 8.0 required hardware button for camera, this requirement was dropped with windows phone 8.1
Was the camera button for some 520s really functional?
Lets see. You pressed the button, the camera app launched. You pressed it again, it took a picture. You decide.
520 had it why cant this?
at the time 520 came out, it was a requirement for wp to have a camera button..
To keep costs lower and entice other OEMS by not making their Lumias mroe appealing with dedicated camera buttons.
Interesting because Lumia 620 has dedicated camera button...and don't tell me 620 is a flagship.
I don't understand!! as there a concept like only pure view camera Lumias have dedicated camera button(or vice versa)?! I guess no!!! 520 had camera button but ain't a pure view., on the other hand 730 had no camera button., but it's camera is pure view..
Welcome to M$ decisions!
No, it's not, the Lumia 730 and 735 cameras are not PureView.
Thing is, 520, 620, and previous low-end Lumias that came with Windows Phone 8.0 out of the box DO NOT HAVE shortcuts to the camera (There were no Action Centre in WP8, remember?). But with the addition of a Camera toggle in the Action Centre with WP8.1, the X30 Lumias (that came with 8.1 installed) no longer needs these camera buttons, and thus the camera button is only reserved for 'PureView' branded devices in the X30 series. Also, the addition of camera buttons SUPPOSEDLY increases the cost of the phone, so maybe that's the reason they omitted it, but this is just my opinion.
Those are old devices that were under Nokia. This is part of MS strategy to keep costs lower and bring over more OEMS. If MS adds dedicated hardware buttons it could prove to be more appealing then other OEM devices who would already be taking a risk with WP, so MS needs to play fair and encourage other OEMS to create low-cost (low-end) devices.
Argument to keep cost lower is not sticking with me... I don't think l520 was so costly because of dedicated button. Secondly, software shortcut does not mean hardware button isn't needed. Eg. Volume.
Argument to keep cost lower is not sticking with me... I don't think l520 was so costly because of dedicated button. Secondly, software shortcut does not mean hardware button isn't needed. Eg. Volume.
I think a Volume button is more important than a camera button, it allows you to adjust the call volume while in a call without the need to go back to the screen. Just a thought, but maybe it's because people interested in the camera are more likely to spend more and go for the 950, or even the 930 - there will be plenty of those around at discounted prics for a while. Camera button, wireless charging, whatever they leave out somebody won't be happy.
Camer on 640 is fine at 8MP
What? No wireless charging option? That is much more questionable, because they can make extra money selling the optional covers. For those of us that have lots of chargers around the house, it's a shame that our kids cannot use the chargers with their midrange or budget devices. Make wireless charging covers and take our money.
Does the metal band have anything to do with the wireless charging situation?
Lumia 930 and 830 have one. Samsung Galaxu 6 series also have one. These have plastic (likely removable like 830) backs so wireless charging is possible.
It's just a band, not the complete back that is metal. Though, Qualcomm has developed tech through which even metal bodied phones can charge wirelessly.
Yes but that will be much more expensive.
Camera button just for PureView Phones. Snapdragon 212 an PrueView doesn't fit together. Specs on this SoC not possible for a PureView-branded Camera (max. 8MP sensor). What's the problem? It's just a 650...
No button to save cost. If you don't mind paying more get a 950/XL
There is huge gap between 950 and 550. Nokia had 720 in x20 gen that gave Premium-like looks and a nice camera. Then in x30 gen Nokia decided to drop camera button from 730, so called selfie phone. So even though i don't expect MS to give camera button in 550/650, it isn't necessary to make camera buttons exclusive to flagships. 750 with camera button will be a nice for mid-range Lumia.
It is supposed to sport a 2xx processor. And you are worried about camera button?
Sexyyy
I like the looks but come on, 8GB? 720p?
It's a Lumia 6**, so you can't expect a high-end device. :P
Superb ...
Metal frame was unexpected....!!! Hope they bring unexpected specs like 13MP+5MP+2GB Ram + 16GB internal & Snapdragon 600 / 615 / 617 / 420 etc.. Instead of 410
Didnt even read the **** article.... It will probably ship with 212
U sure didn't, u can edit ur comment u know, just saying :D
what in his comment was wrong? the article clearly says will probably be based on the 212...
I hear u man, bet Microsoft won't!
It's supposed to be a budget business phone so highly unlikely to have all those specs. Although it would be nice.
Den it will be a killer ;)
MS should start bringing more features to lower end phones,like wireless charging.Lumia 830 had it when launched a year ago,so from now almost every windows phone must have wireless charging function.It should become a trademark.Same goes for Hey Cortana.I believe one of the unique features of windows phone should be available on all WPs,not only flagships
Hey Cortana is only possible on flagship devices. Qualcomm only puts active listening in it's 800 series chips.
That will be crack!
Those are parts of the cancelled L850 specs. MS should un-cancel the L850 like they did with L650.
Let's bring the 900 series back reloaded with more everything. I miss the weight, the metal, the brushed aluminum. The phones in 2014-2015 are looking cheap, plastic, weightless. BRING BACK THE CLASSICS...
Yeah thats need of time. Hope MS thinks over its specs once again.
Let's hope it gets certified on Verizon here in the states. Been waiting to jump from an iPhone 6 to the 950 XL but can't :(
It's weird how people ignore the fact that you can sell an old fellow phone and get a new one :D
It's weird how people ignore the fact that every phone doesn't work on every carrier. If he sold his iPhone and bought a Lumia 950XL the phone would be a paperweight as it doesn't work on Verizon.
my father in law switched to ATT so he can get his 950xl to work. Verizon had no codes to activate or something like that.
There's a reason why two major Canadian carriers dropped CDMA like a hot rock a few years ago... http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/carriers/bell/bell-shut-down-coma-network-2...
His issue is that the 950s don't work on Verizon.
^I reluctantly switched to a Nexus 5X because of this. It would be have perfect if the unlocked 950 could work on any carrier, like the Nexus. Microsoft just had to get the 950 CDMA certified and it would have gotten all the updates...
You don't know that. How do you know that Microsoft didn't refuse to play by Verizon's rules because they still wanted to have control over updates? The Lumia Icon will always be a reminder of it how much Verizon messed over their Windows Phone customers. Don't believe for one second that certification is as cut and dry as they make it out to be and that there wouldn't have been strings attached.
No as much as we'd like to believe Microsoft is innocent, they're totally at fault here. Much like with the Nexus and iPhones, all Microsoft had to do was get the phones certified and sell them unlocked. That's how Microsoft would be able to bypass Verizon for updates since it's unlocked.
W10M is a service model now. MS needs to control and initiate the frequent updates directly as needed. Verizon wants to maintain the control and requires MS to go through Verizon's certificaton process for each update. That can take weeks and months and thus defeat the MS service model totally. Until this issue is resolved between the parties, I can't see how any W10M phone would be supported on Verizon.
Verizon doesn't care about unlocked phones though. The Nexus and iPhones get regular updates because they're globally unlocked phones and don't depend on the carrier. Microsoft could've just gotten a 3rd party to certify the CDMA radios and sold the 950's as unlocked phones the same way the iPhones and Nexus phones are sold. In this scenario, Microsoft would be free to release updates as often as they please on Verizon's network.
Verizon can only mandate updates for phones sold through Verizon. They have no say so over updates for phones not sold through them.
Microsoft didn't have to play by any Verizon rules for the 950/950XL to work on the Verizon network. Any LTE device MUST be allowed on Verizon's network per the rules pertaining to their C block 700MHz spectrum. Yes, the CDMA portion must pass certification, however not even Verizon handles that, a third party company does. Reports are that the modems in the 950/950XL are universal and have ALL US carrier bands available, just that the Verizon ones have been disabled. All Microsoft had to do was pay for the certification and as long as it didn't have conflicts it would HAVE to be certified. They then could have sold Verizon compatible phones on their own store bypassing Verizon and have total control of updates. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/if-the-lumia-950-and-950-xl-wont-... "The problem is Verizon can't really do that. As one of the conditions for being able to operate in the 700MHz frequency band, Verizon's network (or at least parts of it) are subject to open access requirements. In short, any phone that's compatible and FCC certified must be authenticated by Verizon..." "...Verizon can, and does, still require that phones pass through a certification process before allowing them on the network. But that authentication process, conducted not by Verizon itself but by third-party testing services, is open to anyone willing to pay the fee. It takes a few weeks, but once a phone passes the tests, Verizon has no option but to authenticate."
But, they can block updates!
No, they can't block updates for phones they don't sell. If I go and buy a Nexus from Google and use it on Verizon, Verizon has no way to block Google from updating it as it's a direct upgrade from Google to the phone. Same thing would be true with Microsoft and any phone they sell direct to the customer.
...and I bet the Nexus 5X doesn't get slammed everywhere for it's near-identical "dull and boring" looks.
I'd keep an iPhone 6 over this.
If you really just want a new Windows phone, the Lumia 735, LG Lancet or HTC M8 running the technical preview might be better.
M8 would be best of the bunch
You can't even begin to compare it to an iPhone 6, there will be more than double the difference in price.
Holy ****!!! i love that design
It's a beautiful phone but at 8gb , no way would I consider it.
Plus 128gb micro SD expansion of course
I don't care for 81st cards. I want the onboard storage.
I meant to say I don't care nor use sdcards.
Most phones use a SD card as primary storage, though typically it is inaccessible. Looking at Windows phones released over the last 1-2 years, 8GB + expansion slot is the norm, unless you spend the bucks for a 950/XL.
This should have been what the 950 and 950xl looked like.
Funny thing is when you add a Mozo case, it pretty much does. Why they didn't ship like that is beyond me, however.
I added the Mozo Brown leather back cover to my 950XL and looks soooo good.
I expect this phone to be released by the time my Mozo case comes in.
Although pedantic, it bothers some to replace the Windows logo and PureView / Zeiss branding with a third-party branding (the Mozo logo.)
Sad thing is if you don't like leather the mozo cases are just not better. Mozo metal frame and the blue polycarbonate back some of the renderings had would be killer for me. And I think having to buy a cover for a $600 phone to feel premium is a bit... idiotic.
Mozo are reportedly working on the non-leather back covers. They should copy the design of this render of L650 to the new covers for L950/XL.
Are Mozo even working? think everyone in the company decided to start there Christmas break at the end of November still no new case for me after waiting one month. : /
I was thinking the same thing!!! Backwards thinking on Microsoft's part.
One step foward two step backwards. I was at AT&T yesterday and I was so disappointed with the 950 design compared to the Lg, Samsung and even Blackberry.
Opposite for me. I was actually more impressed holding it in person. The screen in fantastic and it feels nice.
Agreed, those renders look awesome.
Actually, giving a premium look to a low badget phone is nice strategy from MS. I can see what they did there. Why give it to flagships? There are a lot of flagships with premium looks. But who makes low budget phones for 150$ with iphone look? If this phone really looks like that and its priced under 200$ it will sell like crazy.
On screen bottoms will kill windows phone.
It hasn't killed the Android phones that have them...
Only a higher chance the glass will crack
Failed comment!
Windows Phone is indeed in a coma, open ur eyes, we're a minority, we should all live in Alaska, a lot of old windows phones get hot quickly anyway :D
It hasn't killed Sony. Why don't people whine about on screen button when they flaunt them androids whose button don't disappear at the users wish. Abracadabra...... Its that simple
Sony is the worst example. If they don't turn profit next year, it's game over.
I'm a massive fan of on screen bottoms.
I hated them and the whole concept at first, but (since L735) have had to get used to them... and, to be honest, they seem to be a (net) positive move overall. My initial fears were that a software crash/failure would leave me stranded within an app, but this has never happened to me - even in crash scenarios the OS always returns to Start or the software buttons have continued to respond. The added ability to swipe away the buttons reduces accidental pushes, which is great, and also gives more screen real-estate for the app/video etc. without bright distractions (buttons) ... (However, conversely, given the remaining/excess bezel has plenty of room for hardware buttons this is a little moot as we could have a larger display on most devices).
Onscreen buttons make the phone look/feel cheap I don't whether it is just to me. 1520 still looks/feels like the windows flagship phone
Right, because we all want Cortana going off every five minutes in our pockets when the button triggers. Ditching them was the best thing for me.
Give it a try. When I tried borrowed my friend's 550 with it, it changed my mind.
Tell that to Android.
On screen buttons are much more practical than dedicated. I was also non-believer but no would not come back.
Wow! It is pretty, even the white one. I hated the white one from the render previously shared. LOL
Want Design Like Lumia 928 Or N8 it will be Superb
Why should I upgrade my Lumia 640 that was fire selling during black Friday?
Because u can, or maybe just because I'm telling u to do it, just do it!!
Yea, the 640 is the best value in Mobile today, especially on sale.
Makes me wonder if a 650 case could work on a 640...
Sure, with some duct tape.
I bought it for $42 from MS store. Its a nice phone except for the case (a bit cheap).
that phone looks gorgeous! looks better than 950 for me.
Definitely going to buy one if I can get my hands on a dual-sim version :)
I'm curious how the 212 benchmarks against the 400.
Someone should test it out, I'll love to see that.
Given both are quad A7, they should be equal on CPU power. The Adreno 304 will obviously be slower than Adreno 305 in the SD400.
SD400 is a dual-core procesor while SD212 is a quad-core processor with slower speed. http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com/compare/293-1184/Qualcomm-Snapdragon...
SD400 isn't Dual core..... It is a quad core......
The SD400 that comes in the 640/XL is a quad-core processor, your reference is to a different chip.
Oh great Microsoft has learned to copy from others, Finally! This phone looks like a Samsung serie A, i wouldn't say it looks ugly thou lol
When customers dictate a certain design language they all start to resemble one another. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Actually it has similarities with 930, the big difference is that it's got a white bezels similar to other Android phones and the speaker is at the front bottom of the screen which is new to Lumia.
Those renders make that phone look very good. I look at my 950 and sigh just a little bit. I need to get me a backcover made by Mozo.
I just wish for a cheap phone with Carl Zeiss optics...
Get a 735, that will fill that need for you.
I thought you'd have to go with an 800 series to get Zeiss optics?
Ibp is right. 830 has Carl Zeiss, but 735 doesnt. I might actually get the 830 :/
No dude I clearly confirm that my 730 has Zeiss written on its back
Same for my 640xl
Looks so much better than 950
Looking good.
Seriously Microsoft enough 8G phones we've had plenty of them, future apps & games could take a good 4G just a single one (0_o)
> 8GB of storage with micro SD expansion
I know that games like Asphalt 8 Airborne or Halo...would definitely lag if they're installed on external memory, i don't know if that happens on Android too, but I'm sure it does over here mate :)
I have all my games installed to a 128 San Disk on my 640. Loading takes a few seconds longer, but I dont have any lag.
How about not using a sd card that's under class 10?
^ This. Read the specs on the label to ensure you get a "pro"-level card, with 90-ish Mbs read and write.
Looks like a really good option as a mass business device. Many companies as of late have been shipping iPhone 5C's in this space and this phone would be much better than that one IMO esspecially because of the expandable storage option. I personally havea 5C for work and I rarely if ever find it usefull especially considering my ICON can do everything it can + some along with actual space for apps. Simple but good design, this one should sell pretty well.
I was searching for something better than my SAMSUNG ATIV S and not something at 600€ like the 950 but it seems that I must wait a little bit more than expected... Thanks Microsoft to cancel the 850.
Nothing now. MSFT killed mid range and there are no successor now amd seems not in near future. Maybe 830, better camera, better battery life, bigger screen (not amoled, but that's matter of taste), premium design. But SoC is on par, not upgradr and can be even downgrade.
Not even a successor for my 735...
WOO METAL
Iron man spotted :D
Looks good but the specs are disappointing.... 212 does not seem to hold anymore ... And the camera or Ram should be higher to capture the mid level market .... There are companies offering 13Mp and 2gb Ram at that price ....
In Microsoft's case, that would make it more expensive, and for a business phone, it kind of doesn't make as much sense to do something like that.
Microsoft probably considers this to be a low-mid model. Unfortunately, the mid-level models often don't seem to have internal specs that are all that much better.
The current 640 runs Win10M fine, so will this with the 212. If you want a killer phone, you'll have to pay more.
I am not saying a killer phone .... I am saying one killer spec to capture even more market.... I know it works fine now but there are lot of games in the store that lag
The current 640 has a snapdragon 400, so unless this sd212 beats the sd400, then fine. But the adreno 305 is still better than adreno 304.
600 series isn't a mid range phone. It's low budget phone at best. 500 series worse - 550 was over priced from MS.
Nice looking phone. If I haven't replaced my 925 with a 950 by then, I might just go for it. Hopefully by next year Continuum will be a feature on all new models number as low as the 600 series, as an added incentive for businesses to go with Windows Mobile. Sure, Microsoft would likely have to take a hit by keeping the same price point, but capturing a market segment costs money anyway. Better to have customers do ongoing marketing for you than a 30-second TV spot that people forget about as soon as the ad has finished playing.
Surely it must have continuum being business phone. Not that I believe continuum having any viable use cases but Microsoft seems to think its what businesses want and need.
212 is probably not capable of Continuum
Looking at this render, it's not USB-C, so probably no continuum here... still amazing looking, and performing as good as a 640... If it'll be priced like a 640, we might have a winner!
Could have given 16 gb storage... Else I think its good...
Good point
Good design.. But the processor could have been better.
How can you get your screen to show in black and white?
Settings >> accessibility >> high contrast ;)
Did you mean make it look like the render?
Looks good, as long as they keep the price around 200-225 unlocked and have it availble through microsoft store unlokced, would definately buy it.
Is CDMA dead for new windows phones? If so, when my HTC 8xt and Lumia 635 die it will be no more windows phones for me.
Time to switch to gsm then
CDMA is being kept on life support by Verizon when they d*mn well shouldn't be doing it. Canadian carriers dropped CDMA years ago and are set to completely shut it down in the next couple years...
As Voice over LTE (VoLTE) becomes more prominent, Verizon will eventually phase out CDMA as well.
CDMA is dead on the entire planet except on Verizon.
At least specs should not be less than the Lumia 640xl, As it is successor of 640. I was expecting at least 13MP camera, 16 gb onboard storage with and normal 1.2 GHz quadcore processor.
Yay, a new Lumia that's MORE susceptive to bends and scratches...
Gone are the days of tanks like the 920, it saved a man from a gun shot true story
I have a 930 and it's lighter than the metal iPhones. They feel like a lump of metal in your hand, where as the 930 is polycarbonate and not two pieces of glass sandwiching a phone.
I want wireless charging on a mid-range device like this. Or a the very least an option to add it as an upgraded case or something.
It can't be ruled out. I know on the 640 Qi was being considered up until a week or two before its announcement.
*Fingers crossed*
Do u want me to put u online with Satya sir ? :D
Yes please.
@ least it has qc2.0(which all mn storefronts have the moto turbo charger that can handle this. But sadly backordered)
Maybe you will know, does the QC2 require a special adapter and does QC2 work with wireles charging?
Looking dammmm sexy
I'll be picking mine up on the cheap from WalMart, thank you.
I'd gladly pay the extra $5 for a camera button on my 650XL.
You still won't get it.
I just want the Surface phone next year, if not bye bye Windows phone/Mobile
Really that's all it takes. Just go now if you really want to.
No reason to leave, the Surface Phone is coming next fall/winter.
I'm trying not to cry right now
Sound like one of LG's Android tablets will get the mw10 treatment
As if you will get a surface phone with android or iOS..
I would rather want a Galaxy or Nexus phone running windwos. The expereicne would be marvellous.
Looks really nice . I might get it for work when it's released. Bit iPhone 4s or 5 looking. But looks premium compared to 950s Posted via the samsung galaxy 6 edge plus
Don't mention work, it hurts, I'm jobless right now man, i thought we were part of the same community
Oh that's terrible . Specially at Christmas. Posted via the samsung galaxy 6 edge plus
I need this design with premium hardware inside. That would give me a reason to drop my ageing L925.
Just drop it, I'm sure someone will pick it up, someone that really appreciate it
Supposed to be funny? Haha, chuckle, uhm...
"Wi-Fi calling" I'll believe that when I see it.
I've got it on my L925 with W10M.
Good design but the bezel should be thinner, c'mon Microsoft u can do this. The phone itself shouldn't be more than 7" thin
Very attractive for a mid/low-range phone. I ran Win10M on my 640 until I received my 950XL, and it ran smooth. I assume this phone will do the same.
Did you use a Sat Nav app or maps voice direction on the 640. If so, how did that run?
I have a 640XL and I pratically use it on a daily basis. It is super smooth. I have even done so with 640 briefly and the expereince was the same. This is one of the strongest points of Lumias even since Nokia days. Here in Delhi, I don't find the traffic data of Here Maps reliable, so I use a third party app (Gmaps+, which incedentally is not a google app) that provides nearly perfect traffic information.
Thank you - my 930 is now damaged and I was thinking of getting the 640 for now as it is an amazing price. As long as it will efficiently run a voice Sat Nav app it's my next phone. Cheers.
Looks like a flagship and a lot better than the 950 or 950 xl
I think Microsoft don't design a phone like this awesome one for low budget. If they are.. They would have done that for 950 &950xl only..But anyway this is so cool
Sexy
Really premium in looks, what will be the price
$189 at launch. $49 two months after launch.
1Gb RAM - Noooooooooooooooooooooooo
Wilsoooooooon ! :D
Better then 125mb
*better THAN...*THAN....*THAN. Omg, not *then. Those two words are not interchangeable. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Come on... 640 K ought to be enough for anyone.
So technically lumia 650 is a degrade to 640
Thats terrible
Not really look up 212 its actully better than the 400
He meant the newer 4xx ones I think..
But that still doesn't make it a downgrade
Snapdragon 212 is better than 400 - how? In what way?
In terms of radio support it is but the 400 has a way better CPU. Why aren't they using the 410 or 412?
Microsoft should use Snapdragon 415 for Lumia 650, nonetheless they left the Snapdragon 410 or it's variant 412, because of 64-bit offering will cause no extra benefits when other OEMs were selling windows phone with Snapdragon 410 processor, Microsoft still sold Lumia 640 with Snapdragon 400 processor.
Then is it better than the sd410 which was previously rumoured to be in this device..?? And that about the gpu, adreno 305 vs 304 in the sd212..??
Look is premium
Looking really good, but 1GB of RAM on 6xx series for 2016 is too **** low.
At least their not using 125mb
AND Snapdragon 212. Really ************?
This phone had an amazing design for a mid-range... Still prefer the lumia 830 design, but this is good! Well done microsoft! Of couse... that 212 processor is so BAD... the only reason why I'd NEVER buy one
Same here
Snapdragon 212..?! Are u kucking fidding me..?!!!!!!
U mean, are u ******* kidding me ? Or are you a Viking lol
Those looks better than the flagship phones, 950 & 950 XL.. Just saying..
Sorry but why has Microsoft started copying Samsung en some other brands? Ugh I wish the original Nokia design team was still on board creating colorful Lumia brick phones.
Open Mail and set it next to an Android phone with Mail open... Last week on the bus thought I was sitting next to another W10M user. And then I saw the OS buttons on his phone... :/
Wake me when they release a phone with a better camera than the 1020. Going into hibernation now...
Better? More pixels? Better ois? More lenses? Lower aperture? Altar from the first one that I mention, they have, it's in the 950/XL
I thought I'd never get better side than my 1020, in some ways, you can't beat the zoom in that beast, but 950/XL is your new best option bro, check it out if you have a shop nearby
Yes, the zoom is the feature I don't want to compromise on. I use it on almost every picture I take.
Five ours later...lippidp : (0-o) oh i was just kidding, Netflix and shill :D
This should be a good replacement for my Lumia 620
If they release an xl, I think I might get it.
This is definitely how the 950/XL should have came out looking like, that metal band is the difference between a sophisticated looking device, and what the 950/XL look like... Which is a generic practical bore brick
Looks like I will have to wait even more for proper mid range Lumia
Lumia 750/850
Sorry, but there won't be a Lumia 750/850 or any mid range phone since they aren't part of Microsoft's new strategy.
how you say let me tell you if msft say they release 6 phones in a year then it means we still hav 2 phones left the 3 already released and add 650 makes 4 where are the 2 remaining lumia 850 & 750 and also npu says at least 2 lumias are coming from T-Mobile leaks presentation
Seriously please be real. If this is indeed the real thing or even remotely close to being so, Microsoft can go ahead and charge my account for this. I'm at the point now where I have a phone I really love and I don't really need a high end Windows Phone(unless a Lumia 1020 successor comes out). But a gorgeous little complimentary device like this would be perfect for a weekend or a day when I wanted my Windows 10 Mobile fix. I'm more excited for this than I was for the Lumia 950/950XL. One picture at a time -- LG V10
Looks nice.........
This is how the 950 should look...
Please come to a at&t go phone
looks good compare to cheap flagship.......daniel cleverly mentioned about mozo case hahaha...processor let down.
Looks nice.
I am perfectly content with my 950. It is so much better than I was expecting. Will grab a dual sim 650 to replace my 640 for international travel.
Give me this with 4-in or 4.5 in and I will buy it.
Shouldn't Microsoft use a 4XX series processor??
I meant the new ones..
Microsoft would not use latest Snapdragon processors in low and Mid range Lumias, I suspect and they haven't announced support for latest snapdragon processors 415, 425, 430, 650, 652, so, Only wishing to see Lumia 650 with Snapdragon 415 processor, but, let's see
What do 'exclusive renders' even mean? Just a design concept that may or may not look like the actual product. In other words, visual gossip.
So.. the 950/xl design with a bit of metal slapped on it, and suddenly it's a good design??? Unbelievable!!! There is nothing wrong with the current flagship designs in that case....
Shhhh, you aren't supposed to point out how petty the complaints about the 950 and 950 XL are, nor are you supposed to mention that, with the Mozo cases, the new phones look exactly like the 650 but with a "premium" leather back.
Samsung is selling Galaxy J5 for the price of Lumia 640+10$ with 5" HD screen, 13/5Mp cameras, snap 410, 1.5Gb of RAM and 2600mah battery. Moto G 2015 also has 5", 13/5Mp, snap410, selling in two 1/8GB and 2/16Gb RAM versions and it is water resistant. Don't know in what universe MS lives these days ( choosing snap 200 for 650 and removing double tap from their newer phones :| ).
I would not buy anything with Android on it - even if it had a 50mp camera and Snapdragon 10,000 chip!
Microsoft must choose to Snapdragon 415 processor and 16 gb Rom/2 gb Rom for Lumia 650, albeit pricing could be made as high as 225/235 $, but, quality device should be with good camera and speakers, with best build quality and the latest Snapdragon 415 octa-core 1.4 Ghz processor. Microsoft needs to be competitive at this 200$-250$ price range and be comparable to it's Android counterpart with it's Lumia offerings at this price range.
Look at the Micromax canvas Nitro 4G E455 smartphone, selling for around 160$-170$, it has 16 Gb Rom, 2 Gb Ram, 13 MP rear camera with dual LED Flash + 5 MP Front facing Camera, HD Screen with Gorilla glass 3 and 2500 MAH battery.
Gorgeous design, but question stands - how such set of specs handles the OS.
Just wondering what's between January and February. 2016 until 2017?
We've already reported on 'Panos phone' for fall 2016. Otherwise, that is it.
They are crazy if they do that. They need a mid-range option, something with a FHD screen a snapdragon 6xx series, 2gigs of ram and a good camera. What will they do when people who want a mid-ranger won't have anyhting to get? I'm sure they won't downgrade, an saving more money for a high end device is iffy too. They will lose customers, but die hard fans, and people from the general audience. I don't understand their strategy. Lat year they said they will focus on 3 product categories with 2 devices per segment. We got eh 2 flagships, we now have the 2 low enders, where are the mid-rangers?
Their strategy for mid-range is to have their OEM partners fill in the middle. Let's see what CES and MWC reveals.
When did the oem fill anything? Even when we got phones from them, long term support was virtually non-existent. And people like myself want 1st part hardware. If i don't see a decent mid-range device i sure as **** won't buy from another company . After 5 years of dissapointing 3rd party oem support i was hoping thedy learned their lesson. They should concentrate on 1st part harware, and if another oem wants to release something fine, but don't rely on them. But this excuse i suspect has more to do with cutting costs, stopping development of new devices so by 2017 we'll only have the Surface phone and a low-end/mid range device for business. They are just being sneaky about it. And it's a shame cause i believe they are alienating a lot of their fans this way. As a lumia user and fan, i'm dissapointed in their strategy of only chasing business users.
This is how the 950 and 950xl should have looked...hope they ship the 650 in matte red colour...oh my fav...
I'd say it looks more like the Samsung Galaxy Alpha. Still a nice looking phone.
Crap! I like this a lot!
Sorry. I have Lumia 640xl and this just don't do anything for me. More ram, improved camera and storage capacity of 16gb is necessary for this phone to be interesting for large number of people. For my self xl is only option. I do not want to hold a small phone in my hand as long as I am alive. 950xl is expensive and out of my rich for the moment, unfortunately. Something about 300 euro would be a great price. Or slightly above it. But no 1gb ram and 8gb internal. That is just nonsense. It's just not a serious device. Not enough.
Holy s..t!!!! It looks way better then 950! WTF MS?!?
So it's a 640 but with a lesser CPU and a metal band making it look like an iPhone 5. They should be putting at least a 6xx CPU in there.
Define "lesser" CPU? Lumia 640 has a 1.2 GHz Quad core; this has (likely) a 1.3 GHz Quad core. The GPUs support the same features, but the 212 has BT 4.1 LE, X5 LTE and HD Voice support not found in 400. series.
CPU and GPU seems to have similar power to a low midrange phone from 1 year ago. When I bought a Lumia 638 (SD400), I already thought the SoC was just ok. More than one year later I don't think is is reasonable to keep the same level of performance considering the new OS. Still, I would prefer to get 2GB of RAM instead of an improved SoC, if I could choose. At this level, RAM is more important to the actual smoothness of the system than raw power, in my opinion. Only some games requiere a very powerful SoC, but all apps -multitasking- benefit from extra RAM. If this is a business focussed device, more RAM would make it more productive, as going from email, to Skype, to PDF reader to Excel... would be much smoother with less reloading and without losing the state of the app -the worst case: type that message, again!-.
Because they try to copy even the poor spec of iPhone 5.:P
Unless something has changed in Snapdragon series numbers this should be lower end and slower than a 640. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Nah, 212 is like an old 400, but with support for BT 4.1 LE, X5 LTE, and HD Voice, all of which are not on the 400. Performance should be the same, but 212 has better support for modern radios.
You can try to educate us Daniel. And I'm grateful for the attempt. But for every post, maybe 2 or 3 of us will read it. It's much easier for us to just scroll to the bottom and make the same mistaken observation again.
High end design for low end phones, low end design for high end phones, goodest logic from m$
^ That! ^
WTF are they doing with the freaking Snapdragon 200 series SoCs?! That is the biggest complained I have for my L640XL. That, and only 1GB of RAM.
640XL has Snapdragon 410
No: https://www.windowscentral.com/e?link=https2F%2Fclick.linksynergy.co...
People don't get model numbering. At all.
LOL you are going faster than I can pump the info into the Forum: http://forums.windowscentral.com/lumia-650/
...and thank you for all of that!
You're the one doing all the legwork. It's looking to be a clool little device. Thanks for cluing us all in. :)
How can those renders look so much like the real phone. I have no idea how the phone would look, but these ones look like they're snaps of the real thing. On the specs front, If they happen to be the actual planned ones, i really just wish they were a bit better. Ready to pay a few extra bucks for the next gen 4xx series snapdragon and a 16 gig internal mem. Sigh. Though by now, all the specs would've been locked and the phone in its final stages of development.
Microsoft not supporting Snapdragon 6xx series or using older 8xx series for its phones is such a shame. Also, not supporting other ARM licensees like Meditek, Exynos, Huawei, PowerVR and NVIDIA Tegra is such a shame. So sick of having so less diversity when it comes to SoCs and GPUs.
You planning on ripping your phone apart and changing the graphics processor or something?
I'm perfectly fine with Qualcomm in ARM, but in case you haven't noticed, other top tier smartphone OEMs ship with other chipsets as well. Like Samsung with Exynos. Huawei, HTC and other chinese OEMs with midrange phones ship with Mediatek. Iphone ships with PowerVR GPUs and it has never been a slouch in gaming performance. NVIDIA is the top GPU vendor and supporting their silicon might be good for pushing the mobile gaming ecosystem in windows forward.
Oh please just make a freaking Snapdragon 615+ version!.. Thats a mid..
+730
Plastic buttons?
Very sweet
I don't like the metal frame sticking out the sides. That's why I love the lumia 950 xl. It's just all screen and no extra bezel or anything sticking out.
Looks great :)
Ugh I want this on T-Mobile. I hope its not carrier locked.
That metal will look great under a black opaque case.
The 950 and XL should have looked like these phones. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
What about the "enhanced security features" etc. for business devices that Nadella talked about? :) I always thought it was weird though -as the reverse of that would be "yeah, our other phones don't have or cannot be configured for such great security features"
Lack of apps is a feature too and makes the phone more secure ;)
If these are real then the phone looks magical. The black one is the best.
Beauty
Looks like a **** iPhone 5 (S). Seriously, you people want a phone that looks like something that came out 3 years ago.
I just want 950 and 950 XL SUCCESSORS to come with this design; with metal finish and/or actual curved metal sides, front facing stereo speakers that can better boomsound HTC, white front bezels, hardware capacitive keys with a finger print scanner and Snapdragon 820. Rest of the specs, similar or better than the 950 & 950XL but with better Software effort in Redstone than the existing Lumias shipped with.
212 is a let down. Make it 415 and 1.5 gigs of RAM, at least.
Microsoft going in the right direction now, i think we have a great year ahead with these beauty
"and support for X5 LTE". This sentence seems to be confused about what X5 LTE is. X5 LTE isn't a specification, it's a product from Qualcomm. It's a specific chip.
This looks like a great budget phone, and a worthy successor to the fantastic 640, which is an almost perfect budget phone, IMO. Why do they even bother making the 5xx phones when they have phones like the 640 / 650, where the price difference between them is negligible? I think they should take a page from Apple's book and just have a low-end 6xx and high-end 9xx, with the XL upsizing option(s.) At least it's an improvement on the days of 50 Lumia models a year, I guess.
To me,there is no operating system like Windows but the name Microsoft is too long on a phone
Humm... How about MicroPhone kkk
Will SD212 support Continuum? They really need to push this out mainstream if they want to get people switched on and using it. Restricting to Flagships will limit general business attempts at using this. I guess 1GB RAM means no. Really nice looking phone though!
Hmm looks great but I wouldn't buy it since I like having a camera button. Also would it be an upgrade from Lumia 820 performance-wise?
And yeah , metal band = 400$+ as the 830 ...
Daniel, or whoever would be gracious enough to help me understand another slightly off subject question, but always inregards to Windows Mobile. So after finding out yesterday my 925 hardware didn't support "Hey Cortana" I went and picked up a 950XL. Great phone. It will do until the Surface Phone comes out. To the point....Can I use Tap to Pay or not? And if so, how do u set it up? I've read about HCE and W10M support for it, but is it active and can we currently link debit/cc cards to make NFC purchases? Please don't mention SoftCard cuz everyone knows Google bought it and snuffed it out. Thanks ahead of time for any info anyone can give.
#MSFTFOXHOLE
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Snapdragon 212 is such a disappointment to be honest. Could have used 412 which uses newer arch. cortex A53 over cortex A7, better GPU (probably) Adreno 306 over 304 and faster memory speeds ~600mhz over ~500mhz
Nice render. In my opinion this looks the way the 950's should have looked like. A clean design without all the fuss like the Galaxy line or the weird looking bezels round the cameras of the 950's. Downside is the lack of a camera button. It'll be interesting to see what a 650 will actually be like. I am looking for a replacement for my (still excellent) ATIV S. Samsung apparantly has given their customers the finger and decided android sales matter more than supporting current users by offering an official W10M upgrade path. No new device, no update for the ATIV S. And as the 950's cost more than I'm willing to spend on a phone, this leaves me waiting for soemthing like the successor to the Lumia 735. A 750 with this 650 design and updatet 735 hardware would be an instant success I think. Affordable, premium experience, killer looks.
Yuck, no USB Type-C?
TBH, file that under unconfirmed at this point.
Looks nice, but I hope that battery can be removed. I know it's just a render, but still.
REAL metal or painted plastic?
It looks more "premium" than the 950's in my opinion...
No businesses want affordable phones that fit their infrastructure and their needs. This phone is more secure then Android and (a lot) cheaper then iPhone's so it's perfect to deploy to thousands of employees ;-)
I guess businesses want slow phones, with crap A7 cpu's, garbage cameras, no ram? seriously wtf ms
Actually, most businesses would be quite happy if employees did not take photos at work... Some go so far as to disable the camera. I think that's a going too far, but it does happen.
Look way sexier than 950 ... how the sd 212 compares to the 400 ?
"Good looking.....happy to see different design language....liked it....hope the internal features will also be surprising...."
What about the Lumia 650XL? is this phone in the works?
I skipped 950 and wanted to wait to see if Surface Phone will be real but as I wait I might get one of them cause they look really good.
Why bring metal to the mid range, and leave it off your high end devices?
This is actually the first metal ringed phone which looks sexy, stylish and classy!!!
I have no doubt this got back on the table after they took a look at what I expect is some absoutley terrible 950/950XL sales, defect, and return telemetry.
Yes...
After visiting the https://www.windowscentral.com/e?link=https2F%2Fclick.linksynergy.co... 950/XL pages way too many times only to see "Email me when available," I would think lack of stock would be a huge contributor to lower sales volumes.
Snapdragon 200 series should be retired. The phone needs the the 400 series without any price increase.
The 640 was overpriced with the hardware it's using, at least in Canada it was, also same issue with the 830.
Come on Microsoft, how about some love, for the Great White North.
We feel abandoned. :(
This seems conflicted. A phone geared for business, but doesn't support continuum? Business's are buying these overpriced iPhones like it's nothing. Microsoft can sell a good mid range phone to business that supports continuum.
Not all business need or want continuum, some just need a phone. Still, maybe in 1 or 2 years middle or even low end phones will be compatible with continuum.
Looks like a target nice phone
Any word on continuum support?
I've got to ask, do they hate their fans? I mean the 950's fans they were targeting, or are they planning to point at mozo when they get the evil look from their beloved fans? lol I just cant understand Microsoft...
Look Ma, Bezels !! Okay, wasted space aside, this does look much better than the other W10M phones. But why do they need to cripple it with 1GB RAM and especially 8GB internal storage is beyond me.
Beautiful design through and through.Might as well hold onto it for a couple of more phones.Mark my word,It will be an instant hit despite the low sd 212.
Looks good and would probably suit the business use its intended for. Who power uses their work phone they are mostly for just checking email and making calls from my experience so I think it would be a winner
Nice looking phone.
Is it an optical illusion or is that camera lens concave?
I would like to know why Soc 212? They could have included 410.
Did anyone notice the front speakers?Ms should do this more often,to show the droiders the stuff they are made of.
WC is for reading. (Yes, and it has nice pictures too ) And while the comments section of the articles is the most likely portion of WC reading that can cause me to suddenly jump to another article, (or maybe switch over to a daily dose of the forums) there is NOTHING quite as painful as the comments section of a Rumored Lumia! Especially one with pictures.
Is there going to be an xl version, I don't think I would be able to go back to 5" after using the 640xl
Please Microsoft keep them coming all in the same size so that we don't have a choice...
Yeah, thats the looks the 950 should have. And now we have a budget phone that looks like a flagship, while the 950 is the other way around.