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On the challenges and benefits of a disc-free Xbox One

WPDang recently reported that Microsoft are looking to unveil a discless 'Xbox One Mini' at a hardware press event in October.

We know that the Lumia 950, Microsoft Band 2 and Surface Pro 4 are on a list of inevitable upcoming hardware announcements from Microsoft, but what of a revised Xbox One console?

Various prominent Microsoft writers have lent their weight to parts of the rumor but haven't lent credence to the discless Xbox One aspect - likely for good reason. There's no real evidence, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. To simply announce a new Xbox One model in the middle of the holiday rush could create some hefty consumer confusion. Particularly considering they just announced a Halo 5 custom bundle.

If they are planning to launch a new Xbox One model this year, it would surely have been smarter to have announced it earlier than October, before the holiday purchasing rush. Microsoft announced the Xbox One Elite controller, and indeed the Xbox One itself, well in advance of the holiday season. It makes no sense to not do the same for a new Xbox One model. It's the sort of announcement I'd expect they'd reserve for E3 or Gamescom. Having said that, after Phil Spencer announced backward compatibility, I almost feel like the company is capable of all sorts of left field surprises.

Even if the rumors of an October announcement don't pan out, I think a digital-only Xbox One SKU is something the company is exploring. I also think most people accept that we're heading for a discless future. The question is, are we ready for digital-only consoles?

The rocky road to a digital future

At launch, the Xbox One caused an uproar, in part for its persistent online DRM checks in support of its game licensing model. Xbox One games were originally intended to have only two installations. If you wanted to re-sell an already used disc, you'd have to do so at a 'participating retailer', who'd have access to a system to unlock discs for resale.

Some of the benefits of this system include game library pooling for up to 10 people and a restriction on the prevalence of used game sales. Developers are increasingly designing their games with forced multiplayer aspects and micro-transactions due to the squeeze of the re-sale market. Aspects of this digital licensing model were likely at the behest of publishers.

For this cloud licensing to work, Microsoft designed the Xbox One for a permanent internet connection. It would phone-home at regular intervals to check whether the current Xbox One user had the necessary licenses to play the games installed on their Xbox. Some fans found this scenario alarming, especially as many of us still get subjected to data caps and intermittent connectivity.

Microsoft's messaging on this system was confusing at best. The former Xbox head Don Mattrick famously stated that if gamers want a console that isn't always online, they should pick up an Xbox 360. This comment didn't sit too well with consumers at large, as it appeared to dismiss arrogantly those who don't have solid internet connections.

I don't think gamers are anti-digital, Steam's popularity should point to that fact. Ultimately, it's a matter of choice. The PS4 was offering the choice of DRM-free disc-based games, where the Xbox One wasn't.

PC gamers have gotten used to the prospect of one-use-only serial keys. As revenues from console digital sales increase, it seems entirely likely that console gamers will accept a digital future as inevitable as well.

The challenges faced by a discless Xbox One

Whether or not WPDang's rumored 'Xbox One Mini' pans out, I'm pretty certain that Microsoft are exploring the idea of a discless SKU. Microsoft have to pay a fee to use the Blu-ray format, and it's undoubtedly contributing to the cost of the current box, or at the very least decreasing Microsoft's margins. Creating a discless Xbox One would reduce production costs, savings Microsoft would pass on to its retail price to help boost adoption.

A discless Xbox One may not be an option for some Xbox fans, though. As mentioned previously, many of us don't have 150Mbps unlimited fiber connections to download those huge games. Many ISPs across the world enforce data allowance caps as well.

Disregarding the ISP problems, retail discs are simply far cheaper than the Xbox Store counterparts in some territories. This fact is particularly true in the UK, where games are often up to £20 cheaper to buy physically from Amazon. Any savings a British consumer would make on a cheaper discless Xbox One would be rapidly washed away by having to pay £60 for games instead of £40 - even when you don't factor in used games.

Speaking anecdotally, I know many people who have gone 100% digital for this gen, and the Xbox One's digital sales do seem to be improving over time. Of course, if we didn't have powerful physical retail consortiums, digital licenses would be cheaper still.

There's clearly a market for a discless Xbox One, but let's forget games for a moment. What other benefits could a cheaper Xbox One SKU bring?

How about Xbox One as a PC?

In the world where Windows is a service, the digital content Microsoft sells through its app stores is going to become increasingly important. We know that Windows 10 is heading to Xbox One, but we don't truly know what form it will take.

Microsoft has repeatedly said that developers can target Windows 10 universal apps at Xbox One (and HoloLens). However, getting your apps onto the Xbox One at the moment is almost impossible unless you're as big as Netflix or YouTube. The company simply isn't accepting apps developed independently into the Xbox One's app library yet, but hopefully this is set to change with Windows 10.

Microsoft have been blurring the lines between console and PC with the Xbox One, and with Windows 10 it'll get even more fuzzy. Imagine if Microsoft did put out a cheaper, discless Xbox One that promised high-end gaming in addition to affordable, casual computing. TV DVR, OneGuide, mouse and keyboard support, Microsoft Edge, and the full Windows 10 app, music and media store. Suddenly the Xbox One seems less like a dedicated gaming console and more like an affordable all-in-one media and computing solution. Why not throw in printer drivers from Windows Update as well?

Why bother spending £700~ on a PC to game, surf and use social media if a discless Xbox One with Windows 10 supports a near-identical experience at a much lower price? Why bother hunching over a £400 iPad in the living room if you can use the same apps on your TV with a wireless keyboard and trackpad combo?

It's a vision that ties into Microsoft's screen-agnostic approach, which has spawned technologies like Continuum and Xbox One to PC game streaming. Discless or not, the Xbox One with Windows 10 could bring casual computing to the living room in a big way. Driving costs down further by removing the disc tray could make the Xbox One with Windows 10 an affordable computing scenario, even for people not interested in games.

Are Xbox gamers ready for a digital cloud-first future?

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Regardless of whether a discless Xbox One appeals to you or not, simply having a cheaper SKU out there should benefit the platform - providing buyers have the internet to run it.

If we aren't all destroyed by global warming or nuclear war, high-speed internet connectivity will hopefully become ubiquitous. Server-based computations seen in Crackdown 3 could become commonplace, and entire PCs will live in the cloud, accessible from any screen via biometric log-in.

Microsoft has always touted the marathon strategy they have mapped out for the Xbox One. Xbox head Phil Spencer recently teased "great, unique" ideas for the Xbox One's future. The question is, are we ready?

Would you buy a discless Xbox One? How do you feel about the pricing in the Xbox's digital store? Kick off discussions below!

Jez Corden
Jez Corden

Jez Corden is a Senior Editor for Windows Central, focusing primarily on all things Xbox and gaming. Jez is known for breaking exclusive news and analysis as relates to the Microsoft ecosystem while being powered by caffeine. Follow on Twitter @JezCorden and listen to his Xbox Two podcast, all about, you guessed it, Xbox!

186 Comments
  • Oh, phew... Even if it's a rumor, I read "disk-less" not "disc-less" in terms of meaning. Downloading and streaming games makes sense for a subset of the market as indicated so I wouldn't mind. Except when I would. Like when I want to play one of my BD that I can't get converted into online via VUDU. But I don't think it would be a deal breaker particularly if the form factor lent itself to easily expandable storage.
  • why not put the games on copy-protected USBs?
  • Because some games come in at over 50GB, and 64GB usb drives are over 1000x more expensive than Blu-ray discs.
  • 64gb usb drivers are like 30 bucks dude. At least here in germany
  • 30 bucks? For the USB stick (or driver, as you call it) itself, I believe you, absolutely. You are still wrong in your point, though.  Kieran was talking about Blu-Ray format discs being a lot cheaper to use when you make a game and want to sell that game with a good profit made. If you use a 30 buck USB stick, the game publisher will have to fork out tons of money just for the medium itself. Let us guess that they can buy 200,000 units for 20 bucks a piece. Then they have, what, maybe 15 bucks they can add as profit on top of that price, to retailers. So, 35 bucks, then. That leaves us to the consumer price. Maybe the retailer wants 10 bucks in profit per game, but that does not sound much, though. Maybe 20 bucks per game is more fair? So, 55 bucks to the consumer sounds like an okay price after all. So far so good. How about Blu-Ray discs, then? How about if the game publisher ordered 200,000 discs for 2 bucks each. Let's say they could get 33 bucks in profit. Let us apply the same profit for retailers here, too. Game publisher (and their clients, the game companies) get the 33 bucks, retailers get 15 bucks and the consumer price remains the same. The publisher will obviously choose the cheaper distribution medium.
  • I also read the headline and thought it was talking about hard drive vs. no hard drive. The title is a bit misleading since the story is about discs, not disks.
  • Wikipedia told me "disk" was American English for disc, haha, sucks to be a Brit. Fixed.
  • Americans used to use "disk" almost without exception, but Phillips (a British company) made Compact Disc and spelled it that way, so Americans (generally) adapted to magnetic media as "disk" and optical media as "disc". This distinction is also common in Canada.
  • Philips is a dutch company
  • I thought it read dickless at first. What would we do without that piece of hardware. Whew...
  • 2 things:   1. NO DVD/Bluray drive = cheaper console 2. cheaper games because the distribution is via internet or the games could be on sale much faster  
  • So, what do I do with the 50 games I have, now?
  • Use your Xbox One that has a Disc-Drive in it. Kinda simple aye?
  • 1.  Perhaps.   2.  No, not at all.  GameStop has pre-owned games on sale for dirt cheap, especially earlier titles (i.e. Killzone Shadowfall for PS4 is like $15 or less at Gamestop, similar for earlier XBOne Titles).  Amazon is selling games that are still $59.99 on XBL/PS Store for $20 less and you get free 2 day shipping with Prime. Going all Digital for Console Game purchases is not going to be viable for people who care about how much money they spend on games until the Game Storefronts (XBox Live, Playstation Store) start keeping pace with the discounts that realtors offer on Physical Games. That's ignoring the fact that you can resale or trade in Physical Games (or buy even cheaper pre-owned copies from resellers).
  • 1. While true, that's something I'd expect Microsoft to enjoy but not necessarily pass onto the consumer. How much will a drive cost them? 2. Hopefully. I've certainly almost totally stopped buying PC games retail, and when I still had a 360 had begun moving to the marketplace to buy games digitally. Also, it means my games can't be stolen, damaged, etc. However, I'd really like them to have a sharing function like the XBO was originally supposed to have and that I now enjoy via Steam. Personally, I think an Xbox 360 with no optical drive makes more sense right now. There's a MUCH larger library of games, and the system is heading into its twilight years. Just opt to use external DVD drives if someone wants to use old media...
  • Not going to happen.
  • It's definitely going to happen. Sooner or later.
  • Agreed. PSP Go was already a disaster.
  • What is wrong with psp go if I may ask? Or is the answer that you are a Microsoft fanboy?
  • No need to be rude, he was telling the truth. The PSP Go flopped because you couldn't put physical disks in it; it was digital only, just like this rumored Xbox. People went for the bulkier and much bigger model just to have the optical drive. If history repeats itself, the same would happen to this Xbox.
  • And yet, it's proving successful on smartphones, tablets, PCs, etc. I agree that it's a matter of time before it comes to consoles.
  • But we now have  a much better internet distribution thingy. I'd have much much much preferred to buy a 'mini' over my regular consoles.  If possible I buy all my games from the store (and it sucks that they're ALWAYS more expensive than discs).  Having to deal with heaps of discs is a pain. MS would have to cut the price a LOT though to make a disc-less console attractive, possibly take a loss, and they're probably cutting it extremely close as it is to hit the current $349 price point.  The Bluray drive probably only costs $15-$20/unit in the quantities they use, and another $5 or so in needing less materials and components to support it don't make for a huge price drop.  Another $ or two for the BD license also. Lastly they'd need to bring store pricing into parity with retail pricing.  When I can get the deluxe disc version for $60 and less but the standard store version costs $100 (I live in australia and our dollar at the moment means it'd be more like $120) despite there being NO production materials and shipping needed, something is very very wrong. Lastly, I wish how I wish they'd incorporate the kinect's beam-forming mic into the console itself.  Remove the noisy BD drive and it could be a real possibility.
  • Smartphones and Tablets aren't selling games for $60 a pop, that are 30-55GB Installs.  Those are $2-10 games, so the fact that they become worthless after you play through them is less of a factor.  When you're spending $60 on a game, you kind of want to get some of your money back after you play through them.  That's why Best Buy, Game Stop, Wal Mart, etc. all offer Trade-In Systems and sell pre-owned games.   Comparing Tablets and Smartphones to Game Consoles is ludicrous.  The price difference of the games alone jolts people into a completely different mindset when considering game purchases on the two platforms. Also, if you ever decide to switch consoles or sell the console, digital games hold virtually no value, while Physical Games do.  If you switch from PS4 to XBOne (or vice versa), those digital games become instantly worthless.  With Digital Copies, you can at least recoup some of your cash to replace some of the games when moving platforms. The move to Digital is a sad attempt to cater to publishers and developers, who would love to kill the game trading/resell market and force people to buymore new copies to line their pockets.
  • The psp go had no games to play. There were like some good games and the rest were no name games. No reallx a reason to get a psp. Also the first psp flopped as well. Only psp that didnt flopp was ps vita.
  • Uh what? You have that backwards. The original PSP was a huge success..selling ~33 million units in its first 3 years. By the time it was discontinued it had sold ~80 million units. The PS Vita has been a commercial flop in comparison only moving ~9 or so million in its first 3 years.
  • The PSP yes sold a lot, not the PSP GO its digital only flopped quick. The vita also has a lot more digital games and its not doing well.
  • and yet the vita is best handdheld out there for price and games , its the same with these losers who cryed about RE revelations 2 LOL its a feat to get that whole game on a handheld with everything and then some and its under 3 gigs and it runs fine for a handheld game as i am 3quarters through with minor slowdown and for the best RPGs and japanse games that are adult orinted vita is king , people are spoiled brats that think ps4 quality has to be on vita the vita destroys the new 3ds in controls and looks even in game library you have the ps1 , psp , some ps4 and ps3 games and consedering its teathered to my phone i play my ps4 100 km away with no lag or issues so the vita in my eyes is just overlooked by people who have never even played it for 10 min. the 3ds is fine but come on the new 3ds is a joke the cstick WTF it works on few games and then works like utter garbage on RE revalations 1 and one piece pirate warrior nintendo is only selling because of children take away the kids and parents who buy the cheap versions it would be doing horrible but as a real gaming device for a hardcore gamer on the go its pile of trash for anything but rpgs. vita and the shield are the true gaming handhelds for adults
  • The PSP Go was a bad, it went under with its digital only. PSP 1000,2000, and 3000 sold  way better.
  • I got a PSP Go the moment it was available, because UMD discs are gross and I like having everything in one package. I'm not into pawning used games for pennies on the dollar. I only just bought an Xbox one and have zero interest in buying optical disks for it, and would have opted for a diskless version had it been available. I attached a 4TB hard disk and have tons of free space, even after joining EA Access (another program hated by a vocal bunch). I have a job, a fast internet connection, and no desire for noisy optical disks cluttering my life.  Don't assume your opinion is how everyone else feels. 
  • Not with xbox one at least. Doesn't even make any sense
  • They should just enable diskless for those that have internet connections, I shouldn't have to insert disks for those games I already have installed.
  • That won't happen - what would stop soneone from buying, borrowning or renting a game, installing it and then returning it? Disc-free would mean end-to-end digital distribution.
  • If PC can do it, consoles can. Bring on the serial codes!
  • That just makes it unnecessarily convoluted. I rather insert a disc. All or none, not bandages through serial codes.
  • You'd rather insert the dsic every time you play than type in a code on your first install then never need either again? o_O
  • I dose take up less HD space and when you run out of room and have to remove, you don't have to redownload just pop in the disk.
     
  • I don't even use disk anymore. Only purchase digital version. They load faster than disk.
  • then what the code makes the game garbage because you cant trade it in now because the code was used same junk as online passes before they vanished. are so lazy you cant change a disk LOL thats pathedic  and thats from a digital fan 80% of my games on x1 and ps4 are digital
  • Yea I guess, looks like digital is the way to go then. The only issue with that is that even though there is no packaging and disk processing with it they still sell the games at the same price as the physical copies. There is no incentive to go digital.
  • Here in australia it can cost twice as much to buy the digital version. I'd have loved to go all-digital, but the increased costs of digital make this infeasible for me.  The ACTUAL costs of digital (no shipping, manufacturing, materials etc) are way way way less than retail disc costs, but we get screwed.  MS/game devs easily make double the profit from a digtial vs disc sale.
  • Physical will always cost less than digital because stores can charge what they like for physical copies. They're always going to undercut digital because the more physical copies sold, the more trade-ins they will get back. Stores make a killing on trade-ins, they can even resell the exact same copy of a game four or five times. If MS reduced the price of digital, stores would only undercut it further and people wouldn't bother trading in because physical copies would become worthless, and people would expect digital games to be cheap all the time. All they would achieve is eating out of their own profits. They make money from both physical and digital. A big plus for the physical is it also gives them a high street presence not many stores would stock just consoles.
  • Yeah like for me I would've never been totally interested in Destiny had I not see it for $10 at EB games. It was a steal and that's because it was a Disc copy. And also there are disc-less deals too! cdkeys is awesome and i got Assassin's Creed Unity for $12? I forget but it's awesome, and that time where Advanced Warfare was for $40 when it had just come out practically digitally by Xbox itself, that was a SICK deal. Or titanfall for $15 with expansions and stuff of Xbox itself. I am for both to be honest. You never know when deals are gonna come and go. Leave the discs alone. People love it and people need to save money. Unless it's like steam with it's deals, xbox digital games will never be a hit. Btw MGS 5 Ground zeros for free with xbox live gold? Steal.
  • Haven't bought games on discs for PC in years. Bought one disc based game for the Xbox One, and regretted it ever since. Reminded me of the pain of swapping discs and keeping them scratch free.
  • How can buying one game remind you of swapping discs? You don't have anything else to swap it with.
  • I wouldn't mind going all digital but the problem is as pointed out in the article, more than often then not its far cheaper to buy the physical media as opposed to buying a digital version (which bizarrely are full price). Especially you cannot re-sell or lend the game or give it away to a friend or family member. The big plus point about digital copies is that they will roam with your Microsoft account without excess physical baggage. Imagine moving homes with a massive games collection.... Lol. Also no more scratched disks, never the less as long digital copies are more expensive than physical copies, I will continue to buy physical copies.
  • With new releases, at least in Canada and the U.S., the price is generally the same digitally and in store for preorders in my experience. I've lost and broken discs in the past so I'm all digital on the Xbox One. No disc swaps, no lost or misfiled discs (that terrible feeling when you realize there case is sorry our has the wrong change in it!). I love it.
  • Yes, but many of us aren't gaming fanatics.  We don't have an issue waiting a month or two and then saving $20 on a disc based purchase from Amazon. The Witcher 3 is already $10 cheaper from Amazon than it is from either PS or XBox Live Stores.  With Prime, Shipping is free.  That's $10 in my pocket that I can use on other games. Batman: Arkham Knight is $45. Dragon Age: Inquisition is $26 for XBO. Diablo III is $37-38. If someone were to buy an XBO or PS4 and bought those games, they'd save 450 up front gettting them from Amazon instead of from teh PS or XBox Live Stores.  That's an extra game, from Amazon.  Most of those games are still $49-59 from PS or XBL Stores.  The digital distributers are not discounting the games as well as the physical distributers, and that's why people are not moving to digital as much as Microsoft, Sony, Developers, and Publishers would like.  It's in their interest to get you to believe swapping discs is the end of the world, because they get to raid your wallet while you're completely ignoring the vast amounts of money you can save (over the long term) by going physical. You can buy the competing console in a few months with the amount of money you can save buying Physical Copies over Digital Copies of games, Lol... Do people really want to pay, potentially, hundreds to over a thousand dollars extra over the life of a console  just so they don't have to swap discs?  Are people really that lazy, and do people honestly swap discs out so much that they're getting back and hip arthritis from having to get up so often to do it?
  • I do kinda like the idea, but I also use my Xbox One as a blueray movie/anime player. Also,  Xbox is most definitely the more exciting of the consoles in terms of features and improving over time.
  • Yup, you sure can do alot with the x1 compared to the ps4. I have a hdmi (three way) switch plugged into the hdmi pass through. So I can snap my laptop, ps3 or anything else I want. I have another switch going to hdmi 2 of the tv, so all I need to do is switch 2 cables (already plugged into switch 2) if i want to by pass the x1 and just switch between the ps3, laptop or anything else.
  • You can get a cheap and good BD player for $30.  I'd be woried about wearing out the drive and not being able to play games if I used my Ones as BD players (I watch a LOT of movies).
  • If the games were cheaper from the start on digital then I would buy digital. Even games that are discounted on disc are still the new price for digital. At least the ones I have looked at are.
  • Which I always found bizarre as there aren't any over heads you would associate with physical media. I guess as the profit margin is higher.... with digital downloads.... They will seldom reduce in price unless there is a sale.
  • Mainly because publishers still have physical stock they need to help clear. Ultimately digital can't prevail until discs are made obsolete, or at least a minority.
  • It is worth pointing out, since many people still don't comprehend this, but the original Xbox One policies would have solved the price discrepancies problem between digital and physical games. Instead, a vocal minority of ignoramuses revolted, and now digital buyers are screwed over.
  • Absolutely.  I can see why they couldn't stick to their guns, but if they had been able to counter the teriffic FUD from sony and their moronic fanboys who would never have bought a One to start with it would have been great.
  • No way this is going to happen. As much as I love them, Microsoft does some stupid stuff, but they aren't this stupid. Phil is way smarter than this.
  • This wouldn't be at all stupid. Granted, I was a very big opponent when the original DRM fiasco occured in the begining of the Xbox One, but looking at it now - I have come around to really enjoying the convienence of the digital distrubition model. And it is not as though it is anything different than what we are already used to on Steam or for mobile apps/games. I am all for my nostalga and building a physical game collection to span the ages (I have 35 consoles + handhelds, 5 coin-op systems and thousands of games), but this is the next step in progress. Physical media had its day and this would be the next evolutionary step. People are caught up with being against change, yet change is constant - ride the wave or resist and have it come crashing down upon you.
  • It's stupid because the entire point of this console is to lower the price tag. The thing is, since digital is much more expensive than physical, you would eventually pay more in the long run with games.
  • Yep, that's true. Article says disc less game will cut some cost because no need blue ray disc and packaging. But in reality digital games way more expensive than physical games.
  • The only reason digital is more expensive than retail is that currently MS and games publishers are reliant on these physical outlets to promote their products. As such they are incredibly tentative about undercutting these retailers that will respond by refusing to stock their items and heavily promote the competition. It will be interesting to see how many retailers would stock a digital only XB1.
  • It isn't anymore expensive in the states. Exact same prices in store or digital for new games. The states are what matter to global companies.
  • You're lying.  You only have to go to Amazon.com and see almost immediately.  Witcher 4 is $59.99 from the XBL or PS Stores, but it's $49.99 from Amazon, for example.  Batman: Arkham is $15 Cheaper on Amazon than in PS/XBL Stores (outside of the sale in the PS Store currently). Virtually every game is cheaper on Physical Media than from the digital stores.  Even some 12-18 month old games are still retailing for $59 even though you can get them for $20 from GameStop Preused, or something like $39.99 from Amazon. Additionally, they kind of killed hte idea of going digital only when they put in those tiny 500GB Hard Drives and made it cost MORE MONEY just to put a decent number of games on the system to begin with.  The FW on the PS4 and XB1 take up 150-200GB of space.  There is barely any space for content, so users have to pay yet another $60-80 to add a 1TB Hard Drive to either system. Disc Swapping is a lot less annoying than having to download entire 30-55GB Games cause you "went digital," when you'd otherwise only have to install it from disk and install a 2-5GB patch.  Especially when you have to delete games to make room for others, and then add it back after you play through the other game (which probably doens't have much replay value, cause it's 2015 and most games are 10-20 hours with dead multi-player communities so they're useless after the campaign).
  • Hi, for me personally this would be great. I am no hardcore gamer and I wouldn't ever use it offline. I also would appreciate a smaller physical footprint. On my PC I haven't used discs for years. I think I could live without on a mini console. So I would mostly use it for media viewing and as another way to access online services, Cortana, etc.
  • The digital distribution model is no different than it was on the XB360, so I'm flabbergasted how it took you this long to come around to it. The digital model is a complete ripoff with full-priced 1-2 year old games while those games are 20-50% cheaper to get from physical retailers (with the option to give them away, lend them out, or resale/trade them in after a play through). The digital model is based largely around avoiding the Resale/Trade-In market because publishers want to profit more.  Microsoft tried to cave in to the publishers, and that's what got them rail roaded by the media and gaming community.  They had no business trying to do what they tried to do.  It had nothing to do with Sony (who simply capitalized on Microsoft's Mistake) and Sony "fans" really weren't orchestrating anything. It's not like Microsoft didn't sell more consoles than Sony Last Generation.  The reason why Microsoft blew their launch up is because of what they did, their terrible messaging, and their horrible flip flopping. Not to mention the issues with Kinect and how it affected performance (even when not hooked up to the console), Performance of the console running 1080p60 games at equivalent quality of the PS4, and the fact that they concentrated too much on making thier console a set top box replacement instead of the best gaming console it could be (which it isn't).
  • I have gone all digital, the biggest problem I have is a result of me having two consoles. If my kids want to play games on the other console its not possible if I'm playing on the primary console. A disk, however, could easily be moved between rooms. They need to solve this for a disk less console.
    Even if they solve that, we still use the blue ray player for movies, so to avoid the psp go fiasco, they will probably always want a disk option if they don't want to give all those sales to the ps4.
  • Uhm, yes it is. You have your account setup on both consoles (one is remote and one is home). They can play all the games on the system, you just can't play the same game at the same time (unless you had another account on the other system and made each other consoles the primary).
  • Uh, you actually are more benefitted by buying a digital copy if you have two consoles in your home.  You can download the digital copy on to both consoles, and then whatever console you have set as the "Home" console can play the games no matter what.  You then take your account (that purchased the game) to the other console, and as long as you are signed into XBL you can play it as well even if your kids are playing the same game on your "Home" console.  So you effectively get two copies for the price of one, which is not possible with disc.
  • That's true only if I'm not signed into the primary one. I've had plenty of instances where other members of the house wanted to play on the second one but couldn't because I was playing a game with one of my kids on the primary.
  • Are you trying to use the same account simultaneously on two consoles? Look into the Xbox "home" setting. It allows a second account to use all your games on a second console. It just needs to be set as the "home" console. You only need a single live membership too. ;)
  • I think it totally works if Microsoft is willing to match the prices of disk copies sold new at the major retailers. They are all matching each others prices, so I don't see why Microsoft couldn't. Add a couple of hour rental periods for all games, and create an online market place where you can sell or trade your digital games with players around the country. Seller and / or buyer pay percentage of the sales cost or a flat fee to msft for serving as the broker or "market maker."@a Now used games are a better deal for both the buyer and seller because the business model requires no brick and mortar location, and I would assume much less employs so Microsoft could profit much easier. Maybe stipulate that games can't be sold for a certain period of time after release or something.
  • Exactly. I like the concept and would certainly support it under those circumstances.
  • No.  They can't just MATCH, they have to make them significantly cheaper.  After all, there is no production or shipping costs, just a few gigs of data which is really just a few cents for them (if that). Perhaps an additional $5 less if you're an Xbox Live Gold member on top of a cheaper than retail disc price to begin with.  It'd get a lot more ppl subscribing to Gold (about 50% of xboxers do apparently).
  • Good luck with retailers stocking a razer thin margin product that would cannibalize their future disc sales. Only way they can get the mini in the stores is if the retailers cut gets a lot larger. MS already gives 12% for the retailer, they cant afford to make a cheaper console and give them 20%+
  • Microsoft can't just "match" the prices of digital games to physical retailers.  They could in theory pull that off for their own games, but if they adjusted the prices on a game they didn't publish, they would run afoul of anti-trust laws (which clearly state the marketplace holder cannot adjust the price of digital good on the marketplace, only the publisher of the content).  Even if the publisher wants to adjust the price, they likely have to make new contracts with Microsoft to handle duration of sale, price cuts between the companies, new price, whom is being matched with, promotions extended, etc.  Physical retailers don't have this issue, since once they buy the product, they can do with it what they want.  So there are a lot less moving parts when it comes to matching their competitors price in the physical realm than the digital realm.
  • I'm not sure a all in one XBox will pan out. Have you tried reading websites on your TV? it's quite terrible.Media consumption is great, wich the current Xbox1 already does. I, personally, don't see it replacing gaming PCs.It would need games that play well both with KB/mouse and controller.
  • Used to think the same, but having played the new Elder Scrolls game for a year on PC (before taking up the $20 console copy option) I can say that its just as good on both systems, and if an RPG/MMO can be made amazingly playable, then anything is possible. Besides, there is nothing preventing MS from adding mouse/keyboard drivers to the One.  Its just a standardized PC anyway.  They could make a mint on mouse/kbd sets and open the door to selling the One as a cheap PC alternative with store apps that aren't just media and game focused.  Imagine offices buying $300 Ones instead of $600 PCs from Dell etc  lol
  • Mouse/Keyboard already announced. ;)
  • I would definitely get one, for another room.
  • I think a major feature of a diskless Xbox would be the capability to stream from PC to Xbox.  This has already been confirned as something MS wants to make happen when Mouse and Keyboard support makes its appearance.  This would be a Direct competitor with Steam boxes as well as media machines.  Also, there is the possibility to stream disk based games from an Xbox One since both are running windows 10.  Imagine this being able to be a target for streaming, as well as all the things you mentioned.  ANd what if it came in similarly priced as the current Xbox 360? It could even come preloaded with games as a "Bundle".  I would consider this as a second unit in the household even.  I like the idea of a diskless Xbox, but I was also 100% onboard for all the features that were originally announced with the Xbox One, like the ability to share games with a group of friends and family.  If MS and Xbox want to keep moving forward, I can see this as very possible.
  • What if this mini-Xbox could also stream games from a standard Xbox... Or maybe even allow multiplayer for games like titanfall off one game license as long as all players are only using one master console license!
  • This "mini-Xbox" would be a standard Xbox One, minus an optical drive. It isn't in any other way a subset of what an Xbox One can do. Your idea would simply be running multiple copies of a game from a single license simultaneously. Sort of like what Nintendo handhelds have done with single-cartridge multiplayer. I couldn't see this being a viable concept for a console.
  • You can actually already play multiplayer with one license. Just set each players' home console as the other console.
  • They did announce a disk less model earlier than october. They did it two years ago before the babies started crying about being online all the time while being online all the time to cry, and my favorite tried to use an argument about "What about a soldier in the middle of no where in a sub that wants to play xbox" haha. that was funny
  • Wouldn't disc-less defeat the point of backwards compatibility? If the way it works is the system has to read the 360 disc, then buyers can't use their discs if there isn't any. Sure, with Games with Gold it may be fine, but there are still tons of folks with the physical discs. 
  • So buy an xbox 360.  Remember, the 360 has a huge library of store games.  Most of my 360 games aren't DVDs but store ones, and these will just appear in my games list as downloadable on my One.
  • A disc less console is not inevitable in my opinion. Sony tried it with a PSP a while back and that failed miserably. People like the price benefits that a free retail market brings. A single digital marketplace simply means higher prices because of no competition.
  • EXACTLY
  • Tbh, I think a good thing for MS to do would be to have a 3-device linup consisting of:
    1) $350 normal Xbox SKU with disc (same as now, basically)
    2) $250 Xbox Mini that eschews disc trays, is tiny (imagine Fire TV Box, but maybe a little bigger). This would have a reduced set of features, but it makes discs a premium experience that people have to fork over more money for, thus pushing digital.
    3) Xbox "Nano", which is basically just an HDMI Stick that runs Universal apps and streams games from your library. Maybe price this around $100.
    I think this could be a win for everyone as it gives them a full console, a way to push digital, and a normal set top box competitor.
  • While I certainly like the concept - the varying SKUs all under the Xbox branding would likely be confusing to the typical consumer. I thought that very issue is one thing MS was trying to get away from. If a series of devices were to be done like that, I believe they would have to be more broadly differentiated from one another.
  • I considered consumer confusion before I wrote my comment, but after thinking about it again, I think these SKUs are different enough to not be confusing to a normal consumer. After all, Amazon, Roku, Google, and Sony all have varying boxes/devices under the same name and their world hasn't collapsed. The normal Xbox and the Mini would be (assuming my fantasy here becomes reality) different enough in size and shape to not cause confusion (there's a BIG difference in size between my Fire TV and my Xbox One). The Mini could eschew HDMI in, disc tray, and possibly even Kinect to differentiate to the average consumer why they might want to pay $100 more. I considered the confusion of the Nano, but I honestly don't know what else to call it. Maybe Microsoft Stick would be a better name, but if its going to be on a TV, it'll have the Xbox UI, which is why I thought Xbox Nano would fit more.
  • You seem to be forgetting about thermodynamics.  Even without the BD drive the heat output while playing a game is going to be the same and require the same cooler as the current One.  Even with a motherboard redesgn (and those are notoriously complex to get right) you'd not be ablke to reduce the size by much more than 1/4 max unless AMD has a die-shrink on the APU, and even then you'd still need a lot of cooling.
  • I'm aware of thermodynamics, and I'm also aware that what I said was a fantasy :p. According to Brad Sams from Neowin, he expects a die-shrink on an upcoming Xbox "slim", as he called it. That, combined with an external power brick, the lack of a disc drive, and a more efficient cooling system (the current Xbox One is overly cautious about cooling), I could easily see a console half, or maybe even (stretching) a third of the size. It doesn't have to be major, but enough that there's a noticable difference.
  • Just make digital downloads resalable and it's set open...
  • That will never happen.
  • We have three Xbox Ones in the house and I would guess my one has had a disc in once, my wife's never and the same for my boy but he is a steam player and to be honest hardly turns his Xbox One on at all. I bought mine and the wife's Xbox Ones as entertainment consoles with very light games usage, given we didn't own a Blu-ray or even a DVD player at the time and thought we needed them, but things move on and I do understand that not everyone has high speed and stable broadband, but we do and we stream everything using Netflix or MS films and TV and for music I haven't used a disc for over a year now and our Groove music passes take care of that, so having bought them because we wanted the disc drives, to be honest I wouldn't have missed them. The only time I have had a disc in was to play a game and again to be brutally honest I wish I had just bought it online, so in the end my boy bought it and has my Xbox is his home one I got it that way so the disc hasn't been used since.  
  • Give me physical copies any day of the week.as far as I'm concerned digital only is only useful for those that can't take care of their stuff and or people to lazy to get out there arse and put in a disk.The only thing about being a pc gamer I don't like.
  • Arrogant much?
  • There was nothing in the article about the fact that backwards compatibility requires the disc if you don't own digital copy. So most people wouldn't buy it for simple fact of their 360 games are disc not digital.
  • Big whoop.  If you've got the disk then you probably still have your 360.
  • Nope. Still have about 10-15 360 discs, but no console.
  • I will happily go digital when they adjust the pricing
  • I still used Netflix with mail delivery...some Movie and TV shows are not available for streaming, unless you paid 1.99 to 2.99 for each episode. I stream what I can and get DVD for recent movie release or older TV show. Sorry, I don’t want an extra box with power supply in my leaving room. If everything was available for streaming at a decent price I’ll go streaming only. Usually, the games need to be updated and patch so bandwidth is not a big issue for me. Anyway I think the future is digital download only.
  • I have been behind this idea for months. MS needs a product in the AppleTV, Google and Amazon space. 100-150 max pricing. Also, a $250 unit with no disk would put it in the "second" console price range. More cost effective for those that already bought a PS4 or as the second Xbox.
  • YES, would definitely consider a secondary one for another room.
  • I'm all for Digital only if it was cheaper than disc.
    I don't think the discless Xbox one will happen this year.
    I'd rather see a Xbox 1/2. Like a small windows 10 based box that you could stream a game from the Xbox one to another TV on your network in your house.
  • Absolutely yes I would go diskless make it a option, sell both
  • Options are good :3
  • Standard size xbox:
    Same size, all specs and a slot for for a 2nd HDD.
    mini:
    Less heat made by cpu, internal ssd.
  • So just by waving a magic wand the CPU will produce less heat?  It'd be nice to live in your world for a bit.
  • I, for one would not be interested. I'm looking to decrease the boxes under my TV. The main reason I bought the PS3 instead of the XBox360 was the blue ray player. I like the idea of a central home entertainment device that gives me the options of online or disk based media.
  • For a second Xbox, I'd totally go disc-less. All my games are digital anyway. For primary under the TV? Not a chance. No way I'm paying Microsofts inflated prices for digital movies with high compression when I can get a bluray for less money. However on that note, I've never bought a digital game within Australia due to the rip off pricing. I buy from the US, where the American rip off inflated digital pricing matches the Australian rip off inflated bricks and mortar pricing.
  • Yup, we aussies have the luxury of paying more than twice the US retail pricing on our digital downloaded games.  To say nothing of our worse-than-Mongolia internet (thats right, we have slower average speeds than Mongolia FFS).
  • What are you talking about? A HD Movie on Microsoft Movies & TV costs less than Blu-Ray
  • I would have bought one if the following was true about it... Larger Hard Drive, smaller system, and cheaper price. Even if just two of the three where true. Either way, there is a market.
  • I went all digital with my Xbox One. Haven't looked back.   Having all my library of games ready to play without having to swap discs is priceless and awesome! :D
  • Me too. I haven't once used the disc drive on my Xbox. Every single game I own was downloaded, I just hit 90% drive capacity and it's far easier to hide a small hard drive behind the Xbox than to find places for a bunch of discs. If I wanted to watch a BD/DVD movie, I'd put it in a computer and then stream over the home network, but that's rarely needed. It's mostly convienence for me, paying a small premium is worth it for the convienence. I'm happy with my current Xbox, the disc drive is wasted space, yes, but I have no need to upgrade to smaller model. If I was to get a second Xbox, or had to replace my current one (if it stopped working for whatever reason) then I would definitely go for a disc-less version.
  • You can't have very many games then.  I don't think I do either but have filled the internal drive and 50% of a 2tb external already.
  • Really?
    How many games do you have? I have a 3TB seagate and at 74 games I'm only at 36% used. If I ever do manage to fill the drive I can just add another. That'll do me.
  • I would buy a discless One, I like being all digital, and while the backwards compatibity would be cool, my 360 is fully compatible with all my 360 games.. :P
  • No. Stupid idea.
  • I built my gaming PC without a disc drive, haven't missed it once. I know PC is different because of steam and what not, just saying the ecosystem can be successful. Sure it might put Gamestop out of business but such is life....
  • And you can always get an external USB BD drive for $30-$40.
  • I don't currently own on Xbox One, but if they knock another $75 off the price for the mini one, I might bite. I'd like to see cds go away, and replaced by thin USB drives, even for movies. It's only a matter of time, so a 2nd digital option during the transition will help get people used to the idea.
  • How about this... Since they already have streaming from your PC now, what if you could also use your PC bluray drive to load games onto the console, on your local network? You could still buy and use discs, if you have a PC with a bluray drive on your network.
  • This is what I have wanted since day one.  I went all digital starting with the Playstation Vita, and continued with the PS4 and Xbox One.  Right now I have a 2tb USB 3.0 drive for all my games, it works out fine.  I could see some people still wanting used games or the ability to trade in games, but in my adult life now that is not an issue, and actually makes it more convenient for me to avoid going to the store or buying online like Amazon.  On release day if I am waiting for a review or something I will just buy from my computer at work and it will be installed on my system by the time I get home.  In the case of pre-ordered games same thing, they start preloading automatically and are ready when for me to play when I finally get a chance to sit down.
  • This. All of this.
  • Why not just push for a more streaming world where the all in one xbox branded media center is focus. No discs, just streaming and shared apps
  • Make it available first everywhere then lets talk about being disc-less.... Unsupported countries only relies on disc-based games (or atleast here in the Philippines). We cant buy through the store as some having this PB9002 error code.
  • WIth the announced ability for the Xbox One to be able to DVR OTA television I think a "mini" could really be useful.  It's a Roku with a tuner that can play games. I see a lot of people buying it.
  • I only have two physical copies of XBO games (NBA2K14- bought for price and Rocksmith- bought because the price and required USB adapter). I'd ABSOLUTELY buy a diskless XBO. The current console is a beast in the entertainment center (especially with the Kinect and power cables plugged in). Discs are dying. Netflix is more popular than ever. iPods and numerous popular smartphones don't use removable disks. Streaming music is the next phase for most. Discs are done. Just let go.
  • A new music album isn't a 50GB download.  There's a difference and a reason why it's more viable to get rid of discs for music nad not for games.  Additionally music is consumed completely different than games are.  You're making no sense at all. Discs are not done when it takes 8+ hours to download a full game over a strong WiFi connection vs, 30 minutes for a day one patch...
  • Getting up to find a game on a disc is a pain, I would have no problem with disc less as most of my games are digital. I hardly play the 3 games that I have on disc because of the extra steps I have to take. I also have a 4 tb external hard drive and its easier just to buy games from the store. I don't have fibre yet and the games take a while to install which is the only negative side for me, but I just play something else.
  • Yep, big deal if I have to start a download and then go to bed, or play another game till the download completes enough to start playing (often less than 30 minutes).  I go diskless whenever I can, pity the games are so much much more expensive.
  • Considering my son can't seem to put the game disk away when he's done playing, so it gets scratched. I am all for a disc less system where I download everything off the Xbox store. Even better, make it like steam, where I can purchase it off Amazon, then get a download link to download from ms.
  • If your son is doing that, perhaps you should TEACH HIM not to, or teach hiim a lesson by denying him the gaming system until he learns how to use it responsibly.  That's how these things worked when I was a boy.  My parents didn't spend more money on equipment to avoid bad habits, they taught us how to better take care of what we had.  You should try that. You can buy the codes off Amazon, but they're for the XBL or PS Store and they are just as expensive as if you had bought from there directly.  The discs are cheaper.  
  • I doubt we would have got the 10 game share model. Think about it, for every 1 game sold there is 9 potential games not sold, it's practically a built in piracy model. I dont think publishers would have ever allowed it.
  • That can still happen today with discs...as so eloquently put by Sony during 2013 E3. It's just faster is the difference.
  • i've literally never ever put a disc in my xbox one. only ever digital. 
  • So how is it much different than pretty much every disc based game that you put in and proceeds to do a massive download now? If anything it will create less frustration than the existing model to just go pure Digital as long as they create a "second hand" market in the process
  • Eh screw it I'll probably end up buying it anyway it's a matter of time. What's a Compact Disc?
  • Reminds me of my latest Xbox One Store purchase...
      Seeing Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain available for Digital purchase in the local XStore made me go all *wahoo* but then I noticed the CHF 99.00 Pricetag ( somewhere around USD 105.00 ) and I was like fuck no. I did a quick check of the Retail Price which is CHF 69.00 ( USD 72.00 ) and was like what the hell? Why the fuck is the Digital version 30.00 Bucks more expensive than the Physical one which even comes with a Map?! ​Adding to the insult was that neither the US or German Xbox Store had this issue. Both not only sell the Game in general cheaper ( USD 59.99 ) but the Digital version is of the same price ( USD 59.99 )! Slightly angered I started to look for options and whily my US Store Account wouldn't work with my VISA Card ( bought a Surface PRO from the US Store and had it shipped over to me ) the usage of Digital Xbox Live Gift Cards for use within the US Xbox One purchased from the US Amazon.com Store did the trick in getting the Game at an acceptable AND not discriminating price. Game is now sitting in my Library already PreDownloaded and waiting to be unlocked on the 1. September 2015. Honestly... What the fuck MS.
  • It's a lot common than you think here in the US, The games on the Xbox are normally more expensive than you can buy them in the marketplace, if the game is not brand new.
  • I think the fact that this model is so successful with Steam and the PC is the fact that the games aren't expensive, meaning that the money you spend in putting together your PC comes back in buying games with discounts in events like the Steam sales during most of the holidays and even at the start of some weather stations. Buying at the first day of release is something many PC gamers don't do just because games drop massively in price after some time, whereas console games take a lot of time to drop from $60 to $40 and then to $30, which is the price many games just hold until they're around three or more years old. You could get Metal Gear Solid V Ground Zeroes for something like $5 in Christmas time on Steam. It's a price consoles never match, so I don't think an Xbox One would be a good option for a PC gamer, even being half the price a PC may take to build, simply because it's too expensive to play on consoles. Ever wondered why there's such a huge used game market on consoles? Most people splash $350 on a console only to be charged with $60 if they want a game. With PCs you have the option to buy digital and paying way less than if you bought retail, and to be able to get the games you want with the wages that most people get in the world, first hand games are not an option, and with their prices, digital versions aren't good either. I think Microsoft should sell it at a lower price, but without expecting anything like massive sales. The digital-only future that seems to be approaching consoles is definitely not something I'd try to produce in the next 10 years.
  • If an Xbox One Mini was to come to fruition, I see it more as an competitor of the Steambox more than an competitor of the Sony PS4 and the new Nintendo system whenever it launches.
  • Would buy discless in a heartbeat. In fact I'm not buying one until it is.
  • I've already been 100% no disc for the last 5 years. Speak for yourself and sit down.
  • Digital would make it harder for using 360 games either because it was never published for download or removed from sale due to lack of sales(probably due to publisher not being flexible with pricing)
    Its funny more & more of ea's franchises are either disappearing from PC or going digital only(not that it matters when you can download with the retail key)
  • I would love to embrace digital downloads but I've had so many issues with downloaded games on my Xbox One that I only purchase games on disc. I've sent back my Xbox only to have it returned with a letter saying there's nothing wrong with it. I go to download and install games and the installation fails. It took two weeks to finally download an update to Battlefield 4's most recent update. I never had these problems with my 360. I prefer the digital downloads because of the faster load times (on the 360). My Xbox is wired to my router and pulls down 50mbps. Xbox customer service reps are EXTREMELY helpful but my console seems to hate large downloaded games. If they go disc-less I'm going PS4 for gaming and I'll just use my console to watch Movies. 
  • that does seem like some issue with your xbox's hard drive or corrupted downloads/installations. have you tried using an external HD? I haven't had a problem with any of my downloaded games or apps. I even remember one of the preview quests telling me to unplug my external HD while i'm downloading and while installing a game and it all turned out fine.
  • What if the Disc less Xbox One has upgraded cpu, gpu, and graphic card that can handle higher PC spec versions of Xbox One/Windows 10 games?
  • Not going to happen, Sure they coud use a Different (AKA:Cheaper) CPU but, you cant make games for the Mini that wont play on the orignal Xbox one, so you can do it but, it wont help with any gaming....Talk about an outrage !
  • Surface Box. Isn't the new normal that all Ms products should for some reason be rebranded as Surface.
  • ^^^ This. You just earned yourself an upvote, sir. Glad I'm not alone in disagreeing with the whole "It should be called the Surface {whatever}". There is literally no point in calling everything Surface. grr.  
  • I bought my Xbox one in 2013 and I have yet to use the disc drive. If the diskless does turn out to be true, I will be getting that one
  • I used to buy retail discs during my time with 360. The lack of hard disk and to buy an hdd for it was so expensive that I was forced to do it. Now my library is almost entirely digital. I have just one or two retail disc that I bought with my console. Here in Brazil it's sometimes cheaper to buy the digital version through deals with gold or other sale promotion. Recently I bought murder soul suspect for as cheap as R$ 30 while its full retail price is R$ 170. Most games are now more than R$ 200 on retail stores and sometimes the same game I can buy for less than R$ 100 so for me digital is the future.
  • Fuk digital! All of you may think digital is great , but there are still over 25,000,000 people in the U.S. that don't have access to high speed internet
  • Id buy this in a heartbeat. I already buy the majority of my games digitally - and having a second, discless console for upstairs would be amazing. As for the cost argument, this generation is already a lot better - and if youre willing to do some work, theres almost nothing in it. If you buy your xbox credit from somewhere like G2A, thats instantly 20% off the cost - factor in the xbox rewards rebates (up to 10% - which is on original price, not what you paid via G2A) things can get really cheap. I paid just £13 in the end for Rare Replay - less than I can get get it for in bricks and mortor stores. Theres a little bit of effort in finding the cheapest xbox money - and then finding codes to get it cheaper - but less than leaving the house to buy it at a store.         
  • Nice:) I sure want a disc less Xbox one:) But no more windows phones for me. Have been using it for about 4 years now.
  • i think the market going all digital as things stand would be really bad, download games are overpriced why should it be, they aren't printing discs, packaging or distributing, unless there is a cost im unaware of, the only justification i can think of is that they reckon enough people can't be bothered to price check/ wait for delivery to make it worth their while. then there is the industry argument that if only people would stop buying second hand etc then they could drop their prices but in a download only world xbox is the  mono-distributor with no competition to keep them honest why would they pass savings on to the consumer when they can charge the maximum the market will bear and stretch their profit margins. these thing could change in the future but as it stands i'd say the more choice the better
  • I don't get why the whole confusion. I already have an Xbox one and other than Ryse and TR from day one I have not gotten another disc based game. When I heard the rumor resurfacing about discless console I immediately though "THIS is what I needed to get my second Xbox for my lady". It will be cheaper, smaller and less useless cause I do NOT need to drive.
    What's so hard for people to grasp. The other model wouldn't go away. I want options and for me its more convenient
  • I like the idea of an Xbox Mini as a satellite Xbox to add to another TV somewhere else in the house and stream to. But with Windows 10, they kind of killed the need for that. As I'll just be getting one of those USB PC to plug into TVs.
  • I've been trying to only buy digital games. But I am getting tempted more and more often return to the physical world. Why? The absurd prices! Games on Xbox Store almost never drop in price, while in any other shop they do. I looked into buying Rocksmith the other day.. Random web shop: €30,-. Xbox Store: €70,-. This is the case for almost every game in the Xbox Store that has been published longer than two months. If they ever want people to go full digital they have to enable natural price reductions over time, and start distributing keys via physical stores.
  • XBOX ONE MINI would be awesome as the price will be less a and I can buy and enjoy both x1 and my ps4
  • I don't have an xbone yet. I haven't bought or played a physical disc game on my 360 since Bioshock Infinite. Since then I have been exclusively purchasing and playing digital releases only. I would definitely consider a discless xbone.
  • I have about 10 games on the XB1 so far, and they're all digital.  I don't plan on ever buying another disc.  Digital games can't get scratched and I don't care about reselling games.
  • I think that people take the internet for granted, and appreciate the writer for this article. I live and work on a farm, Verizon is the only provider, a discless XboX one would finally kill off my gaming experience. Updates are very hard to download, I can do small one gig or two gig but when it jumped up to four gigs or even thirteen gigs its impossible to play until I drive 65 miles to town to update. Comming from orange county California to to a rural life I have lost my prided fiber line TWC connection. I promise all of you, you take the internet for granted. :Edit: also I hope that internet pricing changes for people with a limited quantities of data, people in rural areas that grew up in those areas are seriously being left behind in the information age. I'm lucky to have had the connection when I did.
  • I have no data cap, and pretty fast internet. Despite that, I would never want to go digital. Getting into my car and driving to the store, vs four to six hours to download a game?. Pphht give me a physical copy any day. When your done put the disk in the case, it takes what 10 seconds
  •     I don't have a problem with a discless One. Most of the games that come out for the One, if not all, can be downloaded and expandable storage is a plus. But the major obstacle that you mentioned is the availablility of broadband, speeds and caps. I have Fios so, for right now, I have unlimited data and good speeds but a lot of people aren't as lucky. Another factor worth exploring more is backwards compatibility. It's fine for the digital games that were bought on the 360 and any future Games with Gold titles but what happens to all the other disc based games that people have? A lot of users would be S.O.L. or they would still have to hold onto their 360s.
  • I know I would not buy one because I like physical copys of stuff I buy. I like to collect have then displayed on shelves etc. With digital it will take more HD space and destory the HD faster for a hardcore gamer. Another thing is when people run out of space do they deleate or get more space etc. Then there's the fact digital now cost as much if not more then a physical game. No thank you!
  • expandibal hardrives. ;)  oh and i have gamed on my pc's for years. I have yet to know of any pc hardcore gamer that finds installing games on  hard drives a bad think. do think of what you just said.
  • 'do think of what you just said' Mate, it's just his opinion. And a PC hardcore gamer is gonna be different to a normal console gamer anyway, everyone has different preferences.
  • I buy my games digital. I am a member of xbox rewards. with the full benifits i save on the games i buy or any digital content. Xbox has great options for digital buyers.
  • Although I would personally prefer a disc-less XB1, I highly doubt that it will be making a debut this year.
  •   Meh, I guess it could work but, as long as they make both. The BUDGET gamer (a lot of us are here, getting every game that comes out gets very expensive, so if you can save $5-10 someplace, most gamers do or try to) will look at this but, when it comes to price on games, the Xbox store (digital downloads) are the most expensive by far. Take 6 month old games, In the online they are still $59.99 but, target, Wally world, or even game stop, it's $49.99 and you can get it for $44.99 if you dont mind it used. Then the USED market, snipe an auction on ebay, and you can get this game for $19.99 to $39.99, if you dont mind used. So, sell a Disc-less model for $179.99 or $149.99 (so it's like a WOW price point), then sell a ADDON Disk drive for $99. So if a user decides he wants to play disc based games, he/she has the option. Smaller HD, so like a 100 or 200gb HD, so knowing that it WILL need to be expanded later. I know the market is not fully ready for it, it's been proven on recent polls on larger game sites that People prefer physical media almost 2 to 1. This will be a hot item during Xmas time, as parents know their child wants a Xbox one but, under $200 ? they end up with this one and possably a disapointed kid when they get 5 games for Xmas that are all disc based.. Like it or hate it, Physical games are not going anywhere any time soon, No matter how much Microsoft and Sony try to push it... There always will be a perfect balance for both.
  • A 1-200GB HDD wouldn't hold the much on these consoles.  The whole reason why the 500 GB was a rip-off is becasue the FW and System Reserved Space took up like 150-200 GB of storage, leaving the user with about 330-350 GB Space (depending on the console) to install games.  If we assume the average AAA game size is around 40GB (many being 50-55GB size), then that doens't leave you with much (especially when you factor in DLC content and patches, which range in the GB range as far as size is concerned).  A hard drive that size would be a usability nightmare.  Swapping disks, which some retards here are complaining about, has absolutely nothing on redownloading 30-60GB of Digital Game Data everytime you decide to switch games, but your HDD is only big enough to hold one game... I only have 6 games on my PS4 and I'm already down to about 125GB of free space, or so, and that's after deleting all Killzone DLC as well as some of hte other smaller (and PS+) games that I had installed.  1TB is compulsory on these consoles.  It's unreasonable to sell anyone a 200GB Console as you cannot play games on these consoles from Disk.  That would literally be worse than a 4GB XB360 for playability.  It's unreasonable to sell anyone a 500GB console with only 70% of that usable and think they're going ot seriously consider going digital the minute they see how big those games (and their patches) are. 1TB is compulsory for a Disc-less system, IMO, which is why both consoles are moving there.  Even 2TB would probably be something I'd consider optimal factoring in the digital revenue they'd get from the game sales on the XB Store and the fact tha the price difference between 1 and 2TB 5400RPM Laptop drives just isn't that much in the grand scheme of things.  It's the size hard drive that I will put in my PS4 when I decide to upgrade (only not doing it now, because I don't want to have to download 100GB+ of shit, cause "Digital", which takes forever even on my 100Mbps connection because both XBL and PSN are pretty damn slow ).  
  • Interesting idea, although it'll flop badly in Australia, I know that EB Games actually refused to stock the PSP Go as they don't make any money from console sales, it's games and accessories. So they may very well do the same thing here. Although a lot has changed since the Go so who knows.
  • I used to be 100% against the idea of a digital only Xbox One. But I have had mine for about half a year now, and have yet to get a single game on disk... Maybe the bluray drive is expendable...
  • Remove the bluray drive, and remove the garbage 1TB drive and sell it with two slots for bare drives.
  • I like the idea of a small Xbox One used more as an all-in-one media and computing solution; especially if you are not big into gaming (I bought my Xbox One more for the media capabilities than gaming).  You could use it to watch TV, Netflix, etc., and also run apps.  I would love to have home automation tied into it where i could mannualy or via Cortana turn off lights, open a garage, view my dropcam, etc.  It would also be cool if Microsoft could creat a small device with a microphone (or even team up with a company like Insteon to include small microphones in their devices) that you could plug in to extend Cortana's "ears" throughout the house to control her from various rooms so you could play music or control devices in other parts of the house from the kitchen even though the small Xbox One is in a completely different room.
  • You can save a lot of money there and get a Roku, or AppleTV, FireTV. Buying an XBox one more for hte media capabilities than the gaming is throwing money in the toilet (which you're free to do, so please... spare me the defensiveness).
  • I give it at least ten years before its entirely digital. People in general hold on to what they're used to for a long time.
  • Not sure about a digital-only Xbox One, I wouldn't want one myself. Like Microsoft's original intention, I use my Xbox as a multimedia device; games are a large part of that, yes, but not all of it. The blu-ray player was a huge selling point. Removing the disc drive is quite a big step backwards on the Xbox's intention to conquer (in all aspects) the space underneath the TV.    
  • I'm for Disk Less... <-- the only "modern" thingie on this gen I am willing to adapt too. I still use Wires in terms of Controllers, LAN/Internet Connection and Headsets. Better than Wireless...
  • How can they announce backwards compatibility, which they described as requiring the optical disk in the drive to allow downloading the XBone version (you need to prove ownership) and THEN before releasing that much desired feature, announce a new console that CAN'T USE IT?!? And no using the 360 is not a viable solution, a) I don't want two consoles under my TV, b) I want to use the streaming with 360 games, c) I no longer have a working 360 controller and don't feel it's worthwhile buying another. A One without an optical drive is not a sensible move at this point when it is in direct conflict with one of your biggest feature announcements of the year.
  • You dont need the disk. XBox One scans your digital XBox 360 library and makes it available on the XBox One without any disk requirement whatsoever.
  • Of course you need it, not everyone has a digital library, I had the 4GB console so never had ANY digital games on my 360, it scans your store account for games you own, nothing more, so if you played the disc on a 360 it won't know and without the drive you are screwed. Not that it matters now because it isn't happening but still.