Skip to main content

Windows 10 Fall refresh for desktop and mobile aiming for Nov 12 release

Microsoft is having a rollercoaster of an autumn with many hardware and software releases. November 12 is now shaping up to the be a big day as well.

Microsoft has already confirmed that on that Thursday the Xbox One will be updated with the new Windows 10 experience. Now, our sources are telling us that this is also the target day for Windows 10 and Windows 10 Mobile so-called Threshold 2 milestone. The Fall Refresh as it is anticipated to be called should hit user's PCs on that day bringing the new unified Skype experience, UI improvements, and code optimizations for better performance.

New build and carrier updates

Additionally, we can add that build 10586 is the likely candidate for release according to people familiar with the matter. The current Insider build for PC is 10576 while Windows 10 Mobile is at 10581.

Interestingly, we are told that mobile carriers should be receiving the mobile build this week, and updates are expected to go out at or around November 12 as well. (We are not too clear what role carriers are playing in this update and whether there will be longer waiting periods for testing. However, it sounds like this is being expedited for a same-day release on November 12). As to which Windows Phones are getting the official update we do not yet know.

New Lumias inbound

While there is still no firm confirmation on release dates for the new Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL there should be more clarity soon. With Windows 10 Mobile build 10586 likely being the shipping product those phones should be able to hit the 'end of November and early December' expected timeframes. Indeed, the Microsoft UK website notes December 3 for a shipping date and AT&T is now rumored for a November 20 release although we have not confirmed this just yet.

It is not yet clear what the next release for Windows Insiders will be, however that program is going to continue. It is plausible that Insiders will jump ahead of build 10586 as Microsoft continues to develop Windows 10 as a service (WaaS).

If Microsoft can pull off this update for PCs, phones, and the Xbox One all in one day, it will make a large statement about their OS and company realignment.

We'll keep tracking this story and update as we learn more. Seeing as these are targets some information is likely to change.

Daniel Rubino
Daniel Rubino

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

384 Comments
  • This is going to be an awesome month
  • Not if you use OneDrive storage...
  • I use it all the time and love it. I have office 365.
  • But how do you feel about the new storage news?
  • I am ok with it personally. I don't store videos - just docs, pictures and some music - no movies. (I know people do, I am just saying I don't). For me, I have more space than I will ever need as part of my sub. I do have a few promos on there that will obviously expire, but again, 1TB just for office 365 is more than enough for me. I was never unlimited anyway, my sub shows 10TB.
    EDIT: You know the hate is strong when I give my PERSONAL use case and I am downvoted. I am not trying to say it is ok. I was answering his question of how "do you feel". I feel ok.
    -
    -Edit 2: Obviously the votes went the other way since. Point still stands. :)
  • i gave you an upvote for being honest and stating YOUR opinion.
  • Curious - I have Office 365 Small Business with OneDrive and have had a lot of difficulty getting it to work with Win 10.  Everything wants to default to my Microsoft Account One Drive.  Basically I only want to use it for pictures and some docs that I might need mobile, so my needs are not that large.  Is your O365 a personal or business account ?  
  • How do i get 1TB??? i don't have office :(.
  • you buy an office 365 subscription. (it comes with a Onedrive expansion to 1TB while the subscription is active)
  • I downvoted you just to make you happy :)
  • Take my Upvote good man.
  • I still have OneDrive with me with 130 gb storage. I keep only files and less photos coz I don't find worth of keeping more images on any cloud storage. Ppl should seriously think if they really use fb, instagram where pics are uploaded by them also means it remains in the cloud storage. So to back up all images on any device. Well if we watch any video on u tube we watch it online or save to offline to watch it later. We don't upload u tube vids to OneDrive or dropbox. That's where I guess os the perfect use of storage service. Unless its an essential document one shouldn't save crap media files to OneDrive. IMO.
  • What you just said makes no god damn sense. Please try again.
  • Lol, awesome.
  • Fine. I'm nowhere near the 1TB yet. And no other services offers 1TB for as cheap as Office 365.
  • Agreed -- I was always on the 1.02 TB limit (at least that's what showed as "unlimited") and I never had an issue with it. I bought office and got a tb of cloud storage with it. I'm not sure how that is a terrible deal, regardless of recent changes. 
  • Amazons' unlimited storage is 99 a year isn't it?
  • Do you get access to Microsoft office with that 99?
  • I'm glad I'm not too heavily invested in one drive. The amount of storage you got for free was the equivalent of a £15 SD card which can be used in any of my devices I would want to get access from. I also wouldn't have to worry about network coverage to gain access to said storage. So, this reduction is 'meh' to me Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Ondrive = free  £15 SD card =  £15
  • Where does that fit in my 920?  I've tried all of the slots and it never popped up as storage.
  • Cheap fuck.
  • Ondrive = free (unless offer changes and only while connected to the internet - data rates extra)  £15 SD card =  £15 (one time charge - always on - always available)
  • Personally, I need an offsite or cloud backup - 15 years of digital family photos, videos and documents is more important than few replacable items in my house if the worst was to happen (e.g. fire). Therefore by simple assumption my data is worth more than my £800 TV, £800 PC, etc. etc. etc. OR if you wan't to be most simplistic - my £100 or whatever it is for insurance... thereby OneDrive/Office subscriptions are value for money even without the 365 package.  You could of course setup an offsite backup yourself if you preferred (infrastructure, energy and communications costs... what say £800 setup and £2-8/month on-costs if you're lucky... plus of course a very kind friend/individual or additional £300+ for physical space and utilities somewhere)... but, you'd probably end up with a professional server service instead so would immediately be looking in excess of any of the cloud services on offer! The SD Card comment is irrelevant - I have over 20tb of physical storage on my local server, few TBs in each machine and a 64gb SD card in my mobile - but this is all meaningless re: backup or anywhere-access. Do not (I mean DO NOT) rely on any SD or SSD for backup purposes... EVER!!! If you are comfortable relying solely on physical storage in your own home (...I hope your data isn't valuable to you and...) at the very least have one carbon copy of each (duplicate HDD or physical DVD/CD-ROMs). 1TB of online storage for the subscription (already more than fair just for O365!) is a great deal. My biggest gripe is the principal of taking away the bonuses (early adopters, unlimited storage hidden gem deal, camera roll bonus) from existing users. MS should invoke their Fair Usage Policy!! But, I'm not going to spit the dummy out and move all my data to, let's be honest, inferior alternative options that cannot be as conveniently integrated into the systems [that I use]. I am cheesed off and have voted on user voice and other forums/platforms already... but you can't argue that the 1TB offering is a bad deal.
  • I'm paying £4 per user, per year for Office 365.
    (4 years of Office 365 Personal codes, stacked...then converted to Home via a 1 month 365 trial from Office.com)
  • Didn't affect me in the least. I have 1.5 TB, all free from various sources.
    There are so many ways to get free OneDrive storage that taking away two of them shouldn't be getting everyone's panties in a was so much.
  • The news is unfortunate especially for free users, but the 1 TB of storage I have is fine too. I do use it with the Xbox One GameDVR a lot so I do indeed have a little over 100 GB used so far, but 1 TB should be plenty still.
  • The news isn't that big of a deal (for me).  There was an option for some accounts to have unlimited storage.  Now it isn't. It affects those accounts. As for the reduction in the free-tier, well, sure that is disappointing.  I would expect this decision to be short term.  Why?  Microsoft has been listening to customers, no one can argue otherwise. So I think they will hear negative feedback and bad press (making OneDrive seem weaker than competitors).  The actual decision itself, well, if Windows 10 is free upgrade for 110 million PCs machines and counting and they all sign up for OneDrive storage - perhaps they just feel that accounting for all of that space as "claimed" is too much.  Like it or not, they are a business.  One with deep pockets, albeit, but we should have expectations in check.  I'll continue using the service as I always have.  I am not "weary" of putting my large library of media online because, lets face it, things go offline.  So, there is mostly that and redundant storage is cheap for an in-house file server where most consumption of -that- media will be.  I use OneDrive for ALL of my important documents, images, and anything else that I might hypothetically require access to from anywhere.  I wanted to upgrade to a few TB as a tertiary offsite backup, but I'm not going to wait until the dust settles and see what happens with their pricing structure.  I'm already a 365 subscriber, but I'm still going to wait.  For most people, these changes don't actually mean anything and are not impactful.  People just don't like the perceived loss of value or features even if unappreciated or used.
  • I have Office 365 subscription so I still have my 1TB of storage that is enough for me
  • Nothing is even changing this month for current users. In fact, you'll have access to all your files for 12 months after the change. Troll harder.
  • Bad news is still bad news. He's not necessarily trolling, so much as really dissapointed by the recent news for OneDrive. 
  • Then comment in the appropriate place. It isn't relevant to this post. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Get over it
  • Waaaaah! They are only giving me 5GB for free. I demand that they give me 500000TB for free or else I am going to stomp my foot, throw a temper-tantrum like a 4 year old kid, and then go into every article to troll and make off topic whiny posts. In fact, looks like most of your posts are whining about something. What level of OneDrive storage do you have now? Have you gone over the limit? If so what are you storing to go over that 1TB (if you have Office365)? Some people just need to generate a reason to complain.  
  • I think the point is that Microsoft sold you something with a promise of unlimited storage and they are now taking it away. I'll be really surprised if there isn't a class action law suit on this soon. This is no different than AT&T getting sued for them throlling unlimited data users. It's like someone selling you a car and then taking the wheels off.
  • Finally, someone get it. It's amazing how many ignoramuses on Windows Central blindly defend Microsoft whenever they engage in anti-consumerism. Whether it's them taking away Kinect gestures in a forced "upgrade" or reneging on OneDrive storage, anyone who rightfully complains is attacked by buffoons. It's not okay for any company to do this crap. Ever.
  • +1520 When did WC become a breeding ground for blue pill fanboys?  :(((
  • Actually, I'm afraid you do not get it.  Office 365 is a subscription service.  The new limits will apply in a year which clearly means you can make the decision to not renew under the newer terms.  You have the choice.  There is nothing in this policy change  that is actionable in a court of law.  If the terms do not meet your needs, do not renew !  As a business owner for over 30 years, I consider the offerings of Microsoft to be quite reasonably priced.  That is why I have decided to do business with them.  If I should feel otherwise in the future, I'm free to move anywhere I feel best meets my needs.   
  • YOU get it Posted from this here device.
  • Wait - so if we say it really isn't a big deal, then you whine and complain about being "attacked" but then attack anyone who disagrees with you as ignoramuses or buffoons. In other words, it is OK for you to attack people, but not OK for other people to have opinions other than you. Got it. Sit down, shut up, and listen to whatever the ignoramus buffoon coip tells you to do.
  • Agreed, but they may have protected themselves in the user agreement.
  • dropbox recently shafted me with their storage change, much more than MS, and i dont see a mass whinge about that, at least MS are giving me a year warning, dropbox just out of the blue suddenly reduced my storage massively from 50gb to 2gb!!!, thus meaning, i cant even upload 1 word document, cause it's over quota, and i would have to delete 48 gig of existing stuff, to get below the new quota, just to upload something a couple of meg in size! not one communication did i recieve that that was imminent, only when i went to use it was told over quota.
  • Just cause Microsoft gave you a 1 year warning doesn't make it OK. Dropbox is a second rate company. We talking about Microsoft here, a multibillion dollar company. Fanboy or not, never settle for less. Always keep the pressure on. The moment you keep pressure off you have a company like Apple taking over the phone world. Example? Blackberry...  
  • Oh come on. Any company that offers a service re-rates their services at times. All companies do it.
  • Maybe there's some truth to the possibility Microsoft could be looking to buy a cloud storage company, some have suggested it could be Dropbox, not so sure personally, but interesting that both have gone about reducing storage
  • Maybe both reduced their storage because of so much abuse?
  • it'd really only be for users who they picked up over the last year. it always used to be 1TB of OneDrive space. So, for some people, its more just losing a perk they never paid for in the first place. It never bothered me too much because I never got upgraded to unlimited anyway. Mine has always said 1TB from my Office 365 subscription. So i'm losing it before ever even getting it. And it really depends on whatever they put in the EULA for their definition of unlimited (as stupid as that sounds and a discussion on whether EULA's can redefine words is a different discussion entirely). Even Verizon defined "unlimited" data and restricted certain use cases. Not that I'm defending them per say, just saying that your analogy with AT&T isn't really accurate.
  • They probably have something in the Terms that protect them.
  • It's a yearly subscription for that. They aren't taking it away for people who have the yearly subscription until the subscription period is over from what it seems and I don't recall them ever saying it would be that way for life, if you do please link to that to educate us. For those who don't actively subscribe you may make the case (as I would) that you're losing space but you can't make the argument you are not getting something you paid for.  It'd be like me saying you could park your car in my garage and then deciding to (1/2 a year later after your car's been leaking oil in my garage) to decide I want to use it for something else like my boxes or something and you being upset that I didn't let you occupy my garage for the remainder of your life.
  • I can understand people who bought Office365 getting their storage reduced in the middle of a subscription. I don't see why being limited to 1TB is much of an issue, but I can understand it. However, the people complaining about 15GB->5GB, when it is free and treating it as if Microsoft killed their first born is over the top. Looking at sites such as MacRumors, people are saying that it is a PR fiasco and they are leaving OneDrive in droves. But yet, before this announcement, eveyone on MacRumors were saying that even unlimited data would not drive them away from iCloud. This is just another opportunity for the people who are quick to label haters people for simply not buying Apple products, but are more than happy to go about and pretend that they are die-hard users who are fed up, but never touched it.
  • It was part of your annual subscription. There was no assurance that it would remain a value add on when you renew your subscription under the new terms. Posted from this here device.
  • No, this is completely different. AT&T were throttling current plans and not telling them. Microsoft is telling people that they are changing the contract an entire year out. It is blatently obvious that is is completely different. Another analogy, they are selling you a car for a year, then telling you that next year the car will not have wheels. But you do not have to resign the contract, and they are giving you an entire year in advance. Completely different.
  • Rent increasing on a flat... gas prices... tv/satellite/phone/ISP subscriptions.. fuel prices... ...holy sh*t they're all at it - class law-suits all round! *snoore zzZZZZZZ*
  • Actually they didn't Sell you anything they gave it to you. Microsoft is a company not a charity.
  • Ain't going to happen. Terms and conditions state they can change it at anytime. What is it with people and class action lawsuits. F'in ambulance chasing lawyers.
  • Finally, someone is making sense around here. Still, I would not go crazy with your 500000TB suggestion.... Maybe just 50000TB.
  • I only demand 500TB free to curb my temper tantrum.
  • You forgot "Wet your bed"
  • Yes, this was a mature way of questioning the maturity of another person.
  • The point is a lot of people moved to OneDrive for that reassurance of more space. I use less than a gig on my 30 gigs and am still disappointed. You realize google offers android users 15gigs, unlimited camera upload and 5000 songs. This is going to drive a lot of people away. Twitter is lit up with people leaving as is reddit. They air ads on surface brand for artists. Those are the people that need the most storage. I think it's ridiculous and breaks user trust.
  • Google makes money off of 'free' stuff and they're actually struggling with that business model. Microsoft makes money off of services you pay for like Office 365. Buy it.
  • It doesn't matter. People joined and moved cloud services to get what Microsoft was offering. Microsoft gets more customers using their services this way and they May upgrade to others or buy additional services. I don't have to buy it. I can move services and many are already looking for alternatives. It's a huge trust issue which you don't seem to understand. I use less than a gig but don't want to be with a company who baits users and then throws surprises. Whether I used it or not, it's bad enough for me to reconsider the Lumia 950xl. It's the way the company functions. I know many iOS/android users that went to OneDrive for the space and the apps on the system were great. They are now moving their stuff over to google drive again. This is a big impact to MS. and they don't seem to understand why. There will be users like you who make excuses for them but the majority won't. There's threads on reddit windows subs that are discussing alternatives already. This will be a big loss for ms. Instead of changing only the unlimited plans they screw the consumers who can't abuse it because there's a limit. It's a matter of principal. My designer friend stores a lot of adobe files and such and is now moving over. Which is funny because they promote the surface brand for artists and designers. She was going to buy a surface 4 but now she changed her mind. That quickly because of some stupid decision MS made.
  • Agree.  This decision by MS has helped me (thank you MS) make a few of my own.  Will be running my own cloud with hardware dotted in a few countries with 3rd party cloud as a last resort backup using Open Source software (OwnCloud) Will custom design own software for the company to get exactly what I want rather than SAAS.  This way I can sleep at night.  Also getting the Dell Precision 5510 (same as XPS15 Infinity with better processor) instead of Surface.
  • The bills have to be paid, and that requires income.  If all these people move away because they can't get something for free, it reduces the overhead for Microsoft, and that balances the books.  No way do they lose anything.  Its the same old line of "we stand in the line loyally for free hand outs so don't take them away."  That same loyalty disappears as soon as the freebies end.  That is not good business.  As for the friend buying an SP4, if she is buying on brand and image, she is already on the wrong path.  The only reason to buy any computer is because it actually is the best tool to meet your specific needs.  If it works for her, she should buy it.  If not, she shouldn't.  And seriously, hundreds of millions of people are getting a free OS ... which sends one huge message about loyalty to customers.
  • when a company blames the people for puting 75 t on a unlimited storage amout and those people all belong to the contracted office contract and then they turn around and penalise everyone for it(something that is their own faULT)  then yeh im complaining its called bs, company is treating people like kids but even worst they are hurting all the customers that used the free 15gig .  No mater what justification people make, this is wrong and unfair moveand one that kinda eliminates thew months and months of change and persception they had began to achieve.  I love windows and i was about to buy into the 1t onedrive causde its simply the best , i love my windows desktop and windows phone i think the=y are again the best os i have ever used but even i now dont want to invest in a eco system only  to be controled and disapointed in the future but microsoft changeing the rules or offerings mid stream, its plain and simpole bad business.  i dont like apples os but in contrast they have offered double the space at the same price for current apple users not ooffer loads at front and take it away later lol.  I am thin=king hard is windows is the platform i want to continue with. When someone does something thats moraly wrong and unjust and people complain then soz i dont see the complainers  as 4 year olds.  This is a big issue and if the media ride with it it will harm, microsoft alot.
  • Get over it. People abused of the service and Microsoft had to put a stop.
  • How was it abused? By using all the storage one wants after being lured with unlimited storage claim from Microsoft?
  • I don't use the service as crazy as those people did (I only use 40 GB, but that's all free), but how are people "abusing" something that they are told is unlimited. That's like saying: "Hey, here's 2 free burgers but you can only eat 1"
  • The people with limited 15gb storage didn't abuse, that can't. So why should they suffer?
  • Hey poopyfinger... The thing is, people 'abuse' the free storage by signing up with more than one email.. more than one MS account. They then refer their other accounts for even more free storage. I did that years ago with dropbox to get the most free storage I could out of my main account. Now I don't even use dropbox anymore. If they dropped it from 15GB to 5GB, there is a damn good reason. They have all the facts, statistics. They know exactly what's happening, and they damn well knew there would be a backlash and a few people leaving the service.
    Further, I bet they figured out approximately how many would leave, and how that would affect their image and bottom line. Then they made an informed decision based on everything they knew.
    They aren't stupid. A company doesn't get to be as big as MS without analyzing big data.
  • Yeah, What about being a bit more creative to support REAL customers? A Lumia or Surface Bonus, on top of the 5 GB perhaps? As of now, I have a Lumia and  Office 2013 Pro (not 365) and 5GB, as much as my neighbour with a Linux machine, Open Office and Android has.... Lame excuses if they really care about their customers.
  • People do that with Uber. Especially India haha.
  • Those people overused what they had and those people who are crying about that excess storage don't even use it most of the times..so start thinking and stop whining.
  • Please explain HOW you can overuse UNLIMITED storage?
  • I think they're doing right by limiting the maximum offering. However, limiting the free offer from 30 GB to 5 GB all of a sudden, is just stupid. If their reasoning about the abuse is to be believed, that would be a perfect reason to go back to 1 TB but I fail to see the logic in limiting the storage for free users. Those weren't abusing it anyway, were they? This comes right before the Lumia 950 (XL) launch, which make photos that are not only superb but also big in size and require much OneDrive storage.
  • MaaS means... they want you to BUY into their products. Get that 1TB of storage with Office 365. Do you know how many 20mp photos can be stored in 1TB? Its something like 400,000 Sure, use 50GB for music and documents, then its only 380,000. Do the math and you'll see 1TB is more than enough.
    5GB is quite a lot of 'FREE' storage too.
  • Had they only removed the unlimited plan and re-introduced the 1 TB limit, there'd barely be complaints and most people would understand (I would). What's outrageous is that because some people seemed to take the unlimited storage offer at face value (and you can't even really blame them for that) they decided to reduce the amount of free storage to merely a sixth of what you had, which is not going to fix anything about the "abuse" issue as someone using only the free storage is not going to "abuse" it. Personally I don't even need 5 GB (though I was considering streaming my music collection with Groove, which is out of the question now) but 5 GB is not that much anymore if you take many high-resolution photos. Guess what, those are just one kind of users who a Lumia 950 (XL) would be targetted at with the great camera! I bet many (hard to say how many actually but there are definitely some) are reconsidering getting a Lumia 950 now considering Google Drive gives you 25 GB for free. Sure, 5 GB for free is still the same as what Apple offers with iCloud but does Microsoft want OneDrive to be competitive or just barely good enough? If they want to screw users who made use of the free offer for whatever reason they should at least give a better explanation/excuse than the one they did. Their reasoning is entirely sensible for the limitation to 1 TB but it defies reason as an explanation for the reduction of the free storage offer. I think their calculation is that people who need more than 5 GB would just pay for Office 365 but that's delusional, what's far more likely is that people are going to switch to another cloud service altogether and stop recomemending OneDrive and maybe even Windows Mobile in the process. Frankly it's puzzling but I'm still holding my breath for a partial correction by early next week.
  • You can actually use that streaming collection for a year before you decide to switch to google drive.
  • hahah yeh.  It sucks that microsoft are about to releaSE GROOVE ON WINDOWS 10 YET THE DOWNLOAD OR PLAYOFFLINE BECOMES IFFELIVANT FOR BUDGET USERS CAUSE 5GIG DONTS EV3EN CUT IT. aCTUALLY 15 GIG DOESNT CUT IT BUT IT WAS ENOUGH TO PUT SOME TRACKS ON THE ONEDRIVE AND THEN IF YOU NEEDED MORE PAY FOR IT.  nOW ITS LIKE WELL OFFLINEING MY MUSIC IS OVER.  ops caps soz  
  • exactly
  • I agree with you there. Fact is, MS said that they would focus on "productivity". I'll go out on a limb here and say that using more than 1 TB on videos isn't being productive and free 15 gigs isn't going to help their paying subscribers.
  • In Philippines, we only pay the equivalent of $5.56 per month for Office 365 personal. Thats 1 TB of storage with Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Sway, Outlook, Access, Skype etc. But only for 1 user (i.e. one PC, 1 Tablet, 1 Smartphone)
  • microsoft gave people unlimited they should just take the unlimited away and penalise the budget consious and the 15 gig they all enjouyed.  Where is that a had too.  Do you really believe microsoft had tyoo penalise all their clients?
  • Where else do you think google are storing all those unlimited (low-res) photo uploads?
  • Dude, if you don't want to pay, do as I do: Get a Office 365 Home suscription, you can get up to 5 users with the same account. 1 TB for each. So I charge my family $2 each for their access to Office and 1TB. Is really cheap for them and with 4 members you get your $8 back and still you get 1TB and Office for yourself free. Get it?
  • OMG HAHAHAHAH this made me LAUGH... i hope its a joke :)  You actually charge your family money, I bet your an amazing friend who buys the first round lol
  • Good advice.  I would've went this route if not for the free 365 subscription that came with the lumia 640.  Now I'm all set till 2019.
  • Stop winning about the storage...look at it closely and you will know ver well why ms did it
  • Haha, knowing why doesn't equate to being happy with it. But yeah, I get that this site is full of people unwilling to speak negatively about MS in any way.
  • ms did it becaue in reality they want to push you to one drive, its that simpel.  The people that used 75 t on their 365 subscription could have mearly be downgraded and all had 1 t on office 365 subscription.  The only reason this 5 gig restriction is hapening cause miscrosoft think people will pay for onedrive.  I think only the foolish people will do that and accept it, i think most people will find this morally wrong and not invest in microsoft.   apple icloud is now a cheaper alternative in the uk lol.  Yet this is not about price or storage capacity, its about company practices, i tihnk alot of people will see this issue now.
  • In Romania i pay less than 1$ for 50 GB / month cloud storage :) on RDS provider the internet costs around 10 euro for a 500 Mbps line
  • Ya, ok.. but then, you have to live in Romania.
    Bummer man. I'd rather just have 5GB of free data or 1TB for $9.99/month.
  • I know... Romania is a great place .. too bad our politicians are almost the worst on the planet... but this is not the place to talk politics. I was just pointing out that there might be cheaper cloud alternatives for those in need of greater space. Also 10$/ month for 1 TB is not that big of a deal given the wages in developed countries. 
  • I have said since day one that "unlimited" storage is only temporary.  I would MUCH rather pay for OneDrive then be able to rely on a well-managed product with limits.  Nothing is truly unlimited.  Nothing is truly free.
  • unfortunatly microsoft did not put this in small print.  But lets face it penalising their whole client base becasue of a small number of people on a completwely different subscrition based area is a prety cheap move.   The timeing is great too.  their mobile phone business nummbers will drop now because of this.  honestly thers a few people now not going to buy a microsoft phone because of this issue.  As much as i love my windows phone and hate androdi and ihpones look, im actually thinking heavily about this crap too.  All i know is i no longer trust microsoft.
  • Was a very bad move by the Onedrive team and the timing very bad also. It does not effect me as im a personal 365 user with 1TB storage and a Business 365 owner with Unlimited storage. BUT i am very upset that MS would pull a stunt like this and really does nothing to clarify their position going forward with any of their products.
  • Oh fuck get over it. I use onedrive and 1tb is plenty
  • its not about the 1t its about taking peoples free 15 gig and givign them 5 gig, its about taking away something they gave you, its about penmaliseing everyone  because of a small number.  they aint doing this cause of 75t abusers, they are doign this to try and force people onto their subscription based product.
  • I once had a website on geocities.com ... I want that site back. It was free hosting (late 90s)... should they still keep those hundreds of thousands of lost sites live and accessible even though the service has closed? (Now owned by Yahoo)
  • OneDrive is working great for me.
  • I already ditched OneDrive for Yandex Disk. So far, so good.
  • it will still be an awesome month even for affected one drive users. Their downgrade happens next year.
  • Here's an idea. Pay for it. Everybody expects something for nothing these days.
  • They better shape up wm10 fast and make it stable. 10581 is pretty damn good but battery life could be improved. Also my phone screen freezes sometimes and a soft reset is needed.
  • Well I have Nokia Lumia 720. Since the ram is 512 MB the apps were taking long time to load so I had to downgrade back to 8.1. And even Cortana took around 5 seconds to launch. So I'm waiting till the most stable preview is available
  • My lumia 920 has not freeze in this version but my battery drain is between 10 to 15 % every 20 minutes.
  • Clean install.
  • Battery drained 26% in 9.5 hours today. I'll take that.
  • 20 minutes of web browsing took 20% right off of my 1520. Interesting.
  • So windows preview goes away and insider has slow and fast rings. So if you want a stable mobile build and you want to bypass the carrier - go to slow ring?
  • Well! the slow ring build was still unstable and slower to use than previous build.
  • Enroll into the fast ring ONE time when Microsoft releases it. Then, unenroll from the program, and you'll just get normal Windows 10 Mobile updates as if your carrier already pre-approved them all. 
  • They still need to address this Onedrive disaster before these release. I'm afraid it may soon be too late.
  • They have addressed it. If you use more than the 5gb currently you get office 365 free for a year.
  • That's not helping the pr disaster.
  • Your 'free' storage just went from 30GB to 1TB.  Get over it.
  • There are dozens of articles all over the web mocking this decision. This needs to be addressed.
  • You must be the guy that loaded it up with over 75TB of junk data. :)
  • It wasn't junk. Those were my tv shows. Every episode if every tv show ever created.
  • 1TB that you have to pay over $80 to keep from 2017. It's not free at all. Are you crazy?
  • Eh, I got Office 365 off amazon for like $30ish for a year. I always see deals like that.
  • So this made me look it up on Amazozn and 1 year of Home is $70 on Amazon instead of $100.  im sure you could find a sale elsewhere too.  That's not so bad then!
  • And, at the end of the year, you are either autocharged, or your data is seized and destroyed.
  • My storage should have been 30 forever. What happens after the year? I have to go back to 5 or pay. I don't want office 365. It's a free year so people load up their cloud and then are forced to move or pay.
  • I think it's like a dollar or 2 per month for 100 or 200 Gb. Something like that.
  • Do you think its free for MS to provide storage?  Google gives you "free" storage so it can scan your documents to serve ads.   And don't think of it as buying Office think of it as buying OneDrive and getting Office for free.  no need to use it though.
  • no it didnt it went from 20gig to 5 thats unacceptable.  I was personally about to get the 1t and pay cause its awsome price but not now that they have used the weakest of excuses and screwed over the many millions that dont wana pay cause they have enough space with 20 gig for their photos and music files.   1 year free is exactly that 1 year free. 5gig is not enough for a modern smart phone.  If they wanted people to use their ondrive for music and photos and the occasional tv movie show and recording then they need a free amaoun, not a lot but something resonable, to me the 30 gig i had with destop and phone was resonable, i wanted more as i couldnt put my whole music collection there so was gona buy some but then this bs happens, i really donty know if i wana suport a company that gives you something and then takes it away.
  • Well if you got the 20gb yesterday, you'll still have that in a year.
  • People will get over it soon enough. You don't have unlimited storage any more...big deal..
  • This is more about accountability than anything else. People were sold a product that came with unlimited storage and has now been taken away. This is why people do not trust Microsoft. Whether you use the storage or not is irrelavent. 
  • In a year. And they can now cancel that service. That's how services work.
  • Correction...you were given for FREE, an introductory product that had terms and conditions...shockingly...those terms and conditions allowed them to change the terms & conditions...
  • They were not sold an unlimited amount of storage. Only Office 365 users were. Besides, I'm pretty sure for the average person 1 Tb is enough. It's like when Comcast put a 250 Gb threshold on how much data you can use. They found that only 1-2% of customers ever get there. They had to think rationally about this decision. They probably found that the average person uses around 5 Gb a month. If they want more, they can pay.
  • actually subscribers were sold unlimited storage. Even in the small print there was no limitation.  that was the mistake there and they are tring to sort it.  I think penalising everyone is the wrong move, they should close the loop and make office 1 terrabytew and the issue would be sorted, but no they have to push it that 1 more step. 
  • There's honestly no such thing as unlimited storage. I was surprised MS offered that because that seemed farfetched. Files are getting bigger and with millions of users they'll run out of storage eventually.
  • microsfots mistake was not limiting the unlimited amount in small print that was the issue and if they casme out and said we need to limit the unlimited cause of the abusers then yeh id be all acceptable and like yeh i totally understand, but to then go penalise all their clients is a outrage.  If only sony would bring  a operating system to the desktop  on that worked with games and didnt require whine lol id be gone today.
  • Yeah they made it officially more expensive then the other options like icloud and google. It is a big deal if your looking for a new phone.
  • The outrage is not about the removal of the unlimited storage option, it's about the massive reduction of the free storage offer and their nonsensical explanation for that.
  • What a company actually wanting people to pay for things how dare they.
  • It is nowhere near the disaster you think it is.
    Just because you hear the vocal minority complaining doesn't mean everyone hate the idea.
    Its probably about  1% of OneDrive users who even know whats happening yet, and may only 0.001% who actually give a damn. The people who don't care just aren't flooding Facebook, twitter, reddit, etc.. with negative bullshit because.. well, they aren't complainers.
  • It's that 1% minority that's so vocal they have the power to make things better or make the situation even more worse.
  • I don't even need more than 5 GB so this doesn't affect me but I still find this a horrible decision (the part about reducing the free storage option, not the removal of the unlimited option).
  • I just wish they don't remove the camera roll bonus.
  • for me a windows lover i have 30gig, under microsoft im now gona go down to 5 gig.  This meand my 15 gig of part of my music collection can no longer be stored on the cloud and that i will only have 5 gig for photoes.  Its a big disaster for me, i cant use grooves offline and online features anymore.  Because well i cant store part of my music collection on their one drive anymore and thats kinda now a basic requirement for me.   They they might get away with this crap cause it only affects something like 50-70 million current windows fans and thats something microsft seems to not care about.
  • If this is a minority then good luck for OneDrive to be a minority then. Other users who are pissed off will likely going to switch and may not go back. The problem here is more than just reduction of free storage or removal of unlimited, its more of a distrust towards to Microsoft. These decisions just breed more haters to Microsoft than actually serving them satisfactory as a customer. Thing is currently its not that alot of OneDrive users to begin with or even aware they're using it. I've seen more people using Dropbox or Google Drive and maybe iCloud because of iOS devices (though its hard to tell how many of them). So there will be not much in the social media but that could also mean that people are not yet in the OneDrive bandwagon. With this news though there will be a void where people who are pissed off by this news will not recommend switching to OneDrive and maybe even cancel their active subscription. There are people who just silently leave the platform, that's much harder to know since they will not even care at all.
  • I need to get stuff added to my wife's OneDrive, quick! Get her over that 5GB so she can get the Office 365 one year. ;)
  • download a few movies and upload, or put one or 2 windows 10 iso files on there, will get over 5GB very quick.
  • Super excited to here the release date for mobile build... Hope all this article is on the mark with the dates ...
  • So excited!
  • Damn right! Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Slow and steady wins the race??
  • Gabe said that a new build can be released by the end of this week :)
  • He said it's possible that new builds could potentially be released by the end of this week. But I'd try not to get too excited just yet, as he says that more frequently than builds actually get released. lol. 
  • I think that the Slow Ring on Mobile was a joke. It had like 2 builds? hahahaha
    Probably will release on both rings like they did with the PC version.
    PS: I'm on Fast Ring.
  • I've been wondering where slow ring is sitting...have they gotten any new builds recently? WC has said nothing about them for a long time
  • Well, it did live up to being "slow."
  • It was Gabe Aul who came up with this stupid idea of Fast Ring and Slow Ring.
  • personally i like ths fats and slow ring.  If you want less chance and less bugy builds go on slow build and dont get them as much or take the change and go on fast.  You dont really get a better choice?
  • Frankly I don't see the point in the slow ring anymore, I think they should just go with fast ring now.
  • I hope I can update mine since the new build refuse to update on mine. As much as possible I want to avoid going through complete reinstallation of everything.
  • W10M .. Fingers crossed :)
  • I hope they delivered. Windows 10 still needs a lot of tweaks, especially in the UI/UX department. It's just so annoyingly inconsistent. 
  • Win XP RTM was horrible, Win XP SP2 was almost perfect.
  • Just remember, for every build we get on the fast ring, there may be 2 or more builds going through internal testing.
  • Well unfortunately too late for that. So the only we can realistically expect is the update of apps from the store while the OS side will stay as is until Redstone. Windows 10 on desktop is way worse in terms of inconsistency and lack of polishment everywhere. They done something and that's good but its tiny as compared to the massive list of things needed to be done. Example: Opening animation for Universal/Modern apps is still missing. Animations also on Task View in Tablet Mode is also abysmal.  
  • Wow.... Can't wait until November 12th Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Of course, a day that I am traveling. Oh well, home Friday...
  • I VERY excited but when will I be able to order/pre-order the Lumia 950's from the Microsoft Store????
  • Right now at physical locations.
  • Yeah, but no physical locations < 1 hour from me. :( I like living in the country, except for when it comes to tech.
  • I think most people are like you, actually. I feel quite lucky that we have an MS kiosk in our local mall. When I go visit relatives I'm an hour or more away from the nearest MS store.
  • All Lumia ..including 822 ?
  • No information on that, sorry. There is still Insider builds.
  • This should be interesting news, but somehow I'm still under pressure of Microsoft cutting off OneDrive free storage to 5 GB.
  • Yea, I think that the OneDrive fiasco will leave a lingering air of negativity for some time. Personally, I'm finding it a little hard to get excited about Nov. 12th, at the moment. 
  • Its not a fiasco at all. Companies change stuff all the time. Whiners take to the interwebs to complain and bitch and moan. Then a week later everyone has forgotten about it.
    How often did people cry foul at Facebook privacy concerns or other changes... yet they're still around and doing just fine I'd say.
    Lets be really honest here: nobody in the real world actually care than MS changed OneDrive. There is that (maybe) one person in a thousand who this will affect who is pulling out their pitchforks and calling for heads to roll. But really, nobody else gives a rats ass.
  • In terms of PR, this is a fiasco. Advertising the advantages of your cloud solution, then drastically changing it, does not build positive PR.  Also, I know many people who have more than 5GB in legal content (photos and videoes) on OneDrive, that will now need to either pay for more storage or switch services, because their storage is being decreased below what they currently store. It's pretty short-sighted to believe that only whiners and "trolls" care about this. Many people do in fact care, because they actually use these services.  It's one thing to decrease storage capacity for new users, it's totally different to do it to people who are actively using the service. The Facebook comparison is nonsense, as TOS changes are common practice. Whereas taking away something you had, effectively changing the service you're using or paying for,  is different. If I'm paying for 100GB, I want 100GB, not to be dropped to 50GB for the same price. This would be like if your car manufacturer called you up and said "hey, we're dropping the horse power on your car by 50%, and we'll also be dropping the milage from 30mpg to 20. Hae a good day!". 
  • I do think you get to keep the 100 GB option if you are an existing subscriber, though, the 50 GB is just for new subscribers.
  • No. All changes are effect new and existing users. If you have 100GB or 200GB, you'll be switched to 50GB. Because decreasing storage is the best means of improving productivity and collaboration... somehow. 
  • Pretty sure existing 100GB and 200GB users remain at that level.  New subscribers come in at 50.  However we'll see what we see.
  • Double checked their blog. Yup, you're right. Thanks for the clarity, mate. However, based on the other announcements, I wouldn't be surprised if they change this to effect existing users. I think we can all agree this is a PR nightmare, and will have lasting impacts on their trustability. What next? Will Windows 10 shift to pay-per-update? Will they add a "life time expectancy" for devices, so they only have to offer updates to a licensed device for x years? Will Windows Phone/Mobile be axed in abrubtly in January? Not meaning to sound paranoid or angry, pre se, but I can definitely understand where people are coming from, because this does make it more dificult to trust Microsoft.
  • Indeed, in terms of public perception Microsoft blew again this time. This recent news is starting to put OneDrive on the similar situation of Xbox One but way worse. To begin with OneDrive isn't as popular service as Dropbox and Google Drive as I observe, only a handful of us really do use OneDrive without counting Office 365 subscribers. So that public backlash won't be that "everywhere", so it will look like some "whiners" and "trolls" who are making the noise. But those people who make noise are generally an avid OneDrive users who also recommend to other people. With this news, OneDrive users will be reluctant to even recommend the service and worse even cancel or won't renew their active subscription because of their distrust. There is a thing Microsoft should remember that some users who are pissed off with these news will breed more haters and anti-MS in the long run. Microsoft is already been a tainted brand for a long time because of their past mistakes, this news isn't helping to improve the bad perception they have.
  • @aXross: Agreed. And apparently (at least according to Mary Jo Foley on Twitter) even Micrsoft's own employees are unleashing some backlash gardithese changes. I know quite a few people that use OneDrive, many of which I recommended to use the service. When you sell someone on 15GB, then it changes to be less than, or the same as, whatever they were using before, it kind of makes you feel like a dummy. MJF believe this is more likely a move to "trim the fat", cutting some costs. Paul Thurott believes it's a technical limitation. I'm starting to think it could be a bit of both. Tchnical issues with offering "unlid". Whereas the other changes (espcially the drop fr15GB to 5GB for free storage) is probably meant to cut costs.
  • @aXross   Most of the people that I see complaining are those who are pissed are the ones who were getting OneDrive for absolutely free. I haven't seen that many who actually purchased the service or got it through Office 365 as vocal as those who are complaining about the 15GB to 5GB cut, but who knows. I don't get that riled up over something that isn't losing me money
  • I don't see a fiasco anywhere. Yes, going from 15GB down to 5 GB sucks. But let's face it, the fact that Microsoft is only giving users 5GB for free still means it's for free. You want more storage space? Buy it. I run my company on O365. My files are on SharePoint online, no space issue there. Can access them from anywhere. My OneDrive as plenty of storage space for all the other stuff I want to have in the cloud. The point is, a business is supposed to make money. I really don't get all the whining from people wanting everything for free all the time. Apps need to be free and everyone whines when they aren't. Services need to be free. Guess what? Microsoft, just as any business, has to pay its employees. And therefore they need to make money. You don't make money by giving away stuff for free. And I don't care how much free storage Google gives users. Those users get this storage as trade off for having all their information collected and sold to the highest bidder, that is how Google makes money. I for once have no problems paying for quality services and am getting pretty fes up with that "I want only the best and the most, but I want it for free" mentality.
    Ok, rant over.
  • It's not about buying it. Paying a good service is OK. I paid my Lumia, my Office 2013 Pro, 2 Surface of my dougthers. No problem. What's gettig me started is that loyal MS customers see being cut down to the same amount of free 5 GB storage than the Linux user with Open Office and Android gets. THIS is NOT customer oriented.
  • I am too. Told my parents and wife to use it. But the 100 gb with Bing rewards might still be there. And it's still the cheapest option for 1tb. $7 a month. But it is angering as well. :( Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I've been justifying my Microsoft apps use on Android by using the storage provided on Onedrive. 5Gb is miniscule when you use it for Family Photos and Home videos. I'll be switching to Google Drive fully next year.
    I'll also stop using services like Office Word and PowerPoint in favour of Google Docs. I was an Office 365 subscriber and now MS has lost me.
    Most of MSs customers use Apple and Android devices. They have really shot themselves in the foot with this move. Posted from my Note 5
  • So you're going to drop to inferior options and even less storage? If you remain a 365 subscriber you'll get 1TB of storage, something I doubt hardly anyone uses for legit puroses, plus the apps are superior to the google drive apps. My company uses the google doc apps and they suck.
  • Google Docs is horrible And their storage option doesn't offer you 1 TB for $7/month, and Office included
  • It's not horrible, it's hyper horrible. Jeeeez.
  • Well if you think going to GoogleDocs is a positive move then you really must be a spazz master
  • if you are a 365 subscriber then this should really effect you much, or were you one of the guys loading up 75TB?
  • If you're willing to give up superior productivity software for some half backed solutions, just because you don't get the storage you want for free, chances are you didn't need an Office subscription to begin with and don't know what productivity is about.
  • Remember that everything in this world is about money.The real reason why Microsoft changed OneDrive policies is because it became costly. Honestly I don't even know why people are even considering buying the new Lumias. They are a huge risk IMO. I really doubt Windows Phone will be alive by 2018. Reason? They aint making money on it.
  • They didn't make money on the first Surfaces either
  • That's true. And now they make.
  • The Surface line is not a "Service".
  • Well the guy was talking about Windows Phones, it's not a service either
  • Yeah I would rather spend $600 on a new iPhone, cos then Apple will make lots of money from me.
    I prefer Windows Phone because it is the best user experience (in my opinion), why should I care if Microsoft make money on it, they made $10 billion profit last year to subsidise mobile.
  • (sorry if this is a dup) I had a site hiccup.  In the long term, if you care about the ecosystem, then you should care that Microsoft eventually make money on mobile.  If they start making money then that should mean wider adoption, more customers, apps, etc, etc.  That means higher likelihood of continuing in this space. I don't imagine them giving up on mobile in this generation or any other.  Mobile computing in one imagined form or another is the future. Now they have an OS that can transition between them all.  Even Google has taken notice and so will Apple (after enough time has lapsed for them to claim the idea as their own).  Presumably iPhone and Android will always be there if things don't work out.  But, I'm a glass half full kind of guy so we'll cross that bridge if and when it comes.  In the short term, I agree, I love it and don't have compelling reasons to stop supporting it after all of these years.  I've supported WP since Samsung Focus, I probably won't stop.  It just feels like "home if that makes any sense.  Plus, I like seeing all of the work put into it and having watched it grow with the help of the community.
  • Considering phones are usually replaced every couple of years, what's the risk if Windows Phone isn't around in 2018? If you like it now, buy it (and stop stressing about things you can't change...)
  • They need to get this to the insiders first. I would expect them any day then. The current releases still have showstopper bugs. Like the current build won't install on a Dell Venue 8 pro.
  • What disaster. You get what you pay for.
  • I must have lucked out, as I haven't encounterred any show-stoppers. The latest builds are running smoothly both on my Surface Book and Lumia 950XL. With the exception of Edge refusing to play YouTube videos on my Surface Book. 
  • Think you mistyped your Lumia model number...lol
  • Ha, thanks! I was actually talking to someone about the 950XL, and must have typed that instead. Actual model is the Lumia 920. Really wish I could edit that comment. lol. 
  • That's okay, we were all just REALLY jealous of you for a few minutes. PS, my Dell Venue Pro 8 tablet is running RTM Windows 10. (I hate that Dell gave so many devices the same name.)
  • Dell Venue <N> --> Android Dell Venue Pro <N> --> Windows
  • I'd only use the slow ring if I were you.
  • I'm on slow ring with my Lumia 930, anyone know when we can expect Windows 10 to be available for slow ring on this device? Seems like it should be available for slow ring by now as it must be close before it's officially released!
  • Fun fun updates.
  • Not holding my breath. Still no 950/950XL release dates. The announcement with such a lead time was premature, especially with the bombshell dropped with OneDrive inbetween.
  • Stores say December 3
  • or 27th November, or 28th or 30th. Different countries, different dates. Does anyone really know? Does MS really know?
  • RTM?
  • There is no longer such thing as RTM when talking about Windows 10. Just shipping dates for specific builds.
  • That's interesting.... Makes things happen quicker, at a steady flow..
  • A build is still being "released to manufacturer," so you can't really say that there is no RTM anymore.
  • Hopefully Grove works better. I can't play more than 4 sounds in a row. Ask of the music on my device is from the subscription and it is continually looking for the license. Even some out has already played. Payback stutters too.
  • Bluetooth is even worse.  You can't continue where you left off.  If a text comes in you never know what will happen.  I've had my bluetooth connection totally disconnect after a text once.  When it reconnected, the sound would no longer play even though it shows as playing on the screen.
  • Yeah, BT is troublesome, as is Groove. Both things really need to be fixed in Build 10586 for it to be ready.
  • He's not trolling. You're blind if you think the OD change is a good one, pro consumer as welcomed. Yes, it's technically not changing tomorrow, but it's changed nevertheless.
  • Late Nov to early December release for new Lumias? This is bull. Hurry them phones already.
  • Thing is that is what we have been saying for months now. We never ran with that stupid 10/10 rumor.
  • I'm pretty sure you guys (and MS) ran with the "sometime in November" release, not the "late late November and into early December" release date...but I could be wrong.
  • Last time I checked, late November was still November. If even a single store sells them before the end of November, it's still a November release.
  • Isn't late November still "sometime in November"?
  • It is, but it reeks of the same "coming soon" -mentality that's become the description of the platform. It does not instill consumer confidence.
  • Does windows 10 for mobiles support OTG functionalities??
  • Here is the info:   http://bfy.tw/2f3K
  • I'm only expecting Facebook, Instagram, FB Messenger, Twitter and Sway to all release their UWA in that November 12th....
  • That would be awesome!
  • Waiting for stable release...
  • Just in time to sync with all that unlimited storage..... /s
  • oh look. someone crying again over literally NO big deal. Stop being cheap, pay for some goddamn storage, and enjoy the service you cheapskate.
  • Ohh... It's a Diwali Gift for all Indians..
    Thank you M.S
  • Perfect timing!
  • Amber, black, cyan, denim....... What is next for Lumia devices?
  • Euthanasia
  • Probably :'(
  • Hahaha someone is bad!!!
  • Emerald maybe.
  • Emerald... Only color that starts with E that doesn't sound bad. The two other ones are Ecru and Eggplant
  • "Lumia Windows 10"
  • I believe that too, and maybe this will be the first universal firmware ever!
  • Eating OD most probably
  • Will this be an update for normal 8.1 phone users globally or only for insiders??
  • That is a public release date, so to whatever phones were on the win 10 support list. That is my understanding.
  • "not too clear what role carriers are playing in this update" Pay attention AT&T!!!!
  • Nice, putting Xbox, Mobile and a refresh for PC all in one launch really will show off how connected everything is. Looking forward to it. As for which phones get W10, I appreciate that with older models it's a lot to ask of networks to check it for every WP8 model they've ever sold, but if Microsoft could push it OTA to unlocked Country Variants (many of which didn't need specific firmware for WP8.1GDR1, so it should be an easy push of the RTM build and nothing else) then that'd be fantastic. No matter how many times people tell me about how wonderful the Insider program may be, I really would still prefer a 100% official, standard upgrade path than have to essentially sign up for a beta testing program as my only loophole to get it.
  • Non lumia phones before going forward build 10586.
  • Big name apps leaving... Belfiore leaving (c'mon, he is people)... mediocre W10 mobile.... absolutely no marketing for the 950.... OneDrive debacle....   Yea no, after 4 years, I've given up and have moved on.  Just got the LG Flex 2 last week and am loving it.  
  • I wonder what you are doing on windows central comments section though!!Go whine somewhere else.
  • Habit... I've been coming here for years.  And it's called posting a relevent comment in relation to the article, not whining.  Please realize the difference, you $#%'ing moron.  
  • Man the one drive debacle is so bad. They need to address it soon. Never stored anything in cloud. But i could see why are people unhappy. They should have made a decision that hereafter no more unlimited storage but they are taking back from users, what they promised.
  • ^ This ... Habit Only reason I'm even remotely interested in the 950 is due to my habit of checking WC
  • The Snapdragon 810 in your G Flex throttles down in under 3 minutes, have fun with that.
  • Not everyone is on a blue pill regimen.  e
  • I have never cared too much about the app gap. Having had 7 or 8 Windows Phones, I am thinking an iPhone just because there is no automotive support with Windows 10 Mobile. MirrorLink is a big deal to me, and not ever getting it on this platform is frustrating. Will see what happens next year.
  • Honest question, why does it matter that Belfiore is leaving? If anything, that should be good news. Change in leadership can improve the platform (ask the xbox guys). If Belfiore had answers for Win mobile, we would not be in this situation. BTW, I like Win 10 mobile. In fact, I like it so much more than 8.1 that I put up with some bugs in the previous builds.
  • Nice Troll.
    Lets pull a quote from "A Perfect Circle" "If you choose to pull the trigger...
    should your drama prove sincere...
    Do it somewhere FAR AWAY from here." Have a nice journey.
     
  • so this must be rtm for mobile cause it been th2 alest 2 builds XD
  • Happy birthday to me, updates for everybody.
  • Happy Birthday and thanks for the updates kind sir. :p
  • Happy Birthday! :D
  • I think it is important for INSIDERS to remember that release on the 950 and 950XL is different that the update release. The internal builds for 950 ans 950XL may be more stable that what we are seeing. MS needs to get a stable usable W10M out with the 950 and 950XL. This release does not need to be the same as the general release and at this point may even be a separate branch that just concentrates on the 950 and 950XL. This is not a bad thing. A stable release of the 950 and 950 XL is good for all of us. Problems on our older phones will be resolved after teh 950 950XL release.
  • having said that the current build runs great on my 920. I can only imagine how it will feel on a 950. Wow!
  • I wake up every day, these days, just amzazed at what is happening in my world. My current arsenal is: Lumia 1520 (W10M preview) Lumia 2520 (Win8.1 LTE) Surface Pro 2 (W10 preview) Surface Pro 4 (W10RTM) Asus Desktop (W10RTM) and Band 2 I'm just stunned at how FAST things are changing and what AMAZING things are unfolding in the next months\quarters\years. Everyting is going to be different. Microsoft must have thick skin right now with the folks that make their judgnments "in real time". I think it is obvious that they KNOW where they are taking all this Windows 10 vision and they are confident in it. They just have to ignore us during the transition.  Really looking forward to the L950XL and the functions that are just around the corner in this new W10 ecosystem. As far as having to give Microsoft some of my $'s for storing all my personal data in the cloud? Why should they give me that free? I had to pay for all my devices. I had to pay for gassing up my car this morning. And I have to pay for my Subway sandwich that I am eating right now too. Nothing is really free. Especially the really cool stuff. I'm no fool. 
  • Actually, my daughter just told me Subway was Buy1 Get1 Free today!  So maybe some things good ARE free sometimes. :)
  • It's not about free or paid. It's about the promise they made to existing users. How would you feel if they give you complimentary sandwich at subway and after you take a few bites they come and say :" We're sorry sir. A few people are eating too much. I'm gonna have to take that back."
  • There is no EULA when buying a sandwich. The terms for OneDrive users can change at any time. OneDrive can only get better if it's properly funded.
  • You keep your storage until your subscription runs out. Then you can decide if the new terms have value or not and decide to subscribe again or not. They're not taking something away that you paid for. This is why things shouldn't be free. People become animals and expect everyone to give them everything for free forever. Work and earn what you have.
  • Finally a realist.
  • I actually have the same feeling. I keep getting small "epiphanies" while going through my day as to what Microsoft is really doing, and the bigger picture. Like with the Surface Pro line, Microsoft's strategy now is to do something that moves an entire product category forward rather than a product that's similar to others and a little better. People wanted the iPad competitor? Microsoft gave them the Surface Pro which is not a competitor, but makes the iPad look like it can't do productivity well. The same way, I think the next Windows phone, whether it's called Surface Phone or not, will be about making apps not as relevant, and about positioning the phone as something else, and that's why they are targeting the business sector. They'll show the business users (the biggest segment of Windows PC users) how the iPhone is cool with all its apps, but to get shit done in business, their phone is better, and apps are not the end all be all. It's Apps Vs. Productivity for example. Then you could see businesses buying those phones for all their employees, which is what made PCs work. Of course, once the number of phones sold goes up that way, then apps can be developed for the platform too. And that is a better strategy than just getting developers to develop apps right now for a platform that doesn't have that many users. Shit, makes me want to invest in MSFT stock! Anyway, my thoughts, might be wrong :) P.S. There is another part of Microsoft's strategy that I find brilliant, but many short-minded people think is bad, is how they're developing apps for everybody and everything, and becoming open at every level. They're basically bombarding everybody with quality, and that is not only good for their image, but gets people from everywhere into the ecosystem. Awesomness
  • "will be about making apps not as relevant" What is the evidence for that ?
    They tried that with integrated hubs on WP7, look how that went. Third party App providers and services got ratty about MS attempting to divert users away from their branding an advertising, so they flunked, and Hubs no more.
  • Para o povo de Portugal a notícia será publicada em minutos aqui!  Vale a pena visitarem! http://windowsmobileportugal.com/
  • Oh yeah!!!!! The 12th is so far away
  • It was supposed to be released on Patch Tuesday - Nov 10.
  • No, that was someone speaking as tech support and it was rumored for that day. Phrases like "supposed to" have no meaning.
  • So on 12 November official win10 mobile will be released?
  • I wish that happens. Non insiders getting the update from 8.1 to 10 for mobile on 12th Nov.
  • Not likely in most cases. It still has to go through all the carrier approvals. Some carriers will never see it I expect.
  • That's what he made it sound like, though I thought it would be late in December. I am not sure I have much confidence in getting an official update to Windows 10 Mobile this year, but would sure be nice.
  • Oh yeah!
  • Daniel, have you heard wether the ATIV-SE will be in the insider program? You may remember it was one of the only phones that had a problem with the windows 8.1 developer preview because of firmware needed from Samsung. I have been sighned up for the insider for a long time but have som doubt wether there will be any builds for my device. Thanks Bill
  • ever since update one or two went thru on my ativ se it has that constant habit of freezing or restarting on its own. its currently a paperweight I couldnt take the madness
  • You can put the official 8.11 on. It is totally stable. If you already know I apologize. You have to go back to 8.0 first.
  • All this is tempered by the OneDrive changes. #ReverseOneDrive
  • Finally some good news to dampen the OneDrive ball drop yesterday. I'm a happy camper again.
  • WTH?? somebody down voted this statement? You guys are bitter and toxic as f***... lol
  • Should we uninstall Skype Desktop client before upgrading to TH2?
  • Install TH2 first, then see if you still need the desktop client, and uninstall later if you don't. Seems like a better solution, no?
  • So build 10586 is the rtm for phones?
  • Will this be the official update?
  • Damn excited about Cortana coming to India with these updates!!
  • Things are really coming together, this is going to be one exciting month! And one Redditor was able to place a pre-order for a 950XL at his local Microsoft Store this morning! https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsphone/comments/3rd9as/preorders_availabl...
  • Pre-Orders in stores have been available for a long time. Many people pre-ordered that way
  • I preordered a 950XL in early Oct from the MS store in Palo Alto, Ca. Its always been that way.
  • I think even though the OneDrive deal is big for most, but most of y'all are on the wrong damn thread!! Finally some news about mobile release and I'm excited... Now lets get the actual release date for those phones. Thank god
  • Daniel, when you mentioned AT&T, were you speaking of the 950 or also a possible AT&T 950 XL? I have not seen in the announcement concerning AT&T carrying the 950 XL but some people (even official Lumia channels) are saying that they are going to carry both devices. Do you know if the 950XL will be launched on AT&T alongside the 950? Thank you for your time.
  • Nobody knows yet
  • Quote: "If Microsoft can pull off this update for PCs, phones, and the Xbox One all in one day, it will make a large statement about their OS and company realignment." Not to mention the statement it will make about their foolhardyness. There is no advantage to the customers that use multiple platforms to do them all the same day but the risks, no matter how small, of a problem are increased.  
  • Just because the updates are all available the same day, does not imply a requirement that you must immediately install all of them.
  • So the article says 'This Thursday' Win 10 for XBox rolls, and the others may roll with it, but the date you give is Nov 12th. Did I miss a week? I think this Thursday is the 5th.
  • Well it is interesting!! However will the next build be the rtm. Well it will be released as a buggy incomplete rtm anyway.
  • Daniel, didn't you try to convince us that insiders would get the exact same Windows 10 Mobile as the "official" version so it would not matter that some devices are left behind? Now you write that "it is plausible that Insiders will jump ahead of build 10586" to get the next development build with new known issues probably? Hope they will put 10586 in the slow ring then.
  • Not excited. W10Mobile remains a mess.
  • I'll have to agree.  Win 10M is FAR from ready.  There's no way they'll have it ready in a week, unless 581 in reality was finished a few months ago....it's horrible on both both Icon's in our house.  I tried over a 4 day period to make it work well for me and my son, but it wouldn't even do something as simple as sync my SMS messages properly.  Yes, I tried every combination of hard resets, download "past month", "any time", back to 8.1, back to 10581.  I finally gave up on it....back to 8.1 for me.
  • 581 working without a hitch on my AT&T M8 and smooth as silk as well.
  • Build 10581 works perfectly on my Lumia 930, I haven't experienced any bugs whatsoever or battery life issues.
  • Works almost perfectly on my 1520 too. A very small delay in launching apps here and there, but that's it
  • Anything works perfectly on 930.
  • +1 Lumia 1020
  • Works great on my 640!
  • What I'm going to lose sleep over for the next week is whether I'll be able to get our family phones OUT of the insider preview program easily once we have 586. Some of our home computers did not respond to 'Stop Receiving Insider Builds' when 240 shipped and had to be formatted. I really don't want to go through that shit with the phones.
  • Do a state. refresh. Should do the trick...
  • Different topic.. Same comments.
  • Nice to hear that
  • 12 de Novembro! Aqui te esperamos! http://windowsmobileportugal.com/windows-10-mobile/microsoft-aprova-buil...
  • Would be happy to get the update around 12 November.
  • I wish they included add-on suuport for Edge in this update :( :( It should be the top priority for them.
  • I think they've already stated that this will not happen until next year.
  • Does this mean update 1 for PC and win 10 mobile update will start rolling out same day?
  • Limiting to 5GB is just a crap, i need 15-20GB for my books and other documents and photos but 5GB means i can only store my docs and not the pics.....
  • Buy space for few dollars.
  • So wait, nov 12 will be the official release of windows 10 on my phone such as lumia 640XL? Or just a new build for the insiders?
  • What about an emulator update for VS?
  • No copy/paste between apps, no insert pic in word.......
    This is a productivity OS?
  • What the hell are you talking about?? I just used those two features on both my PC and Phone
  • i'm trying to copy a picture from a mail in outlook and paste it to mobile word in windows 10 mobile on nokia 1520 - doesn't work for me. same thing trying to copy a short text from an app (news) and paste it in a text massage - doesn't work. any idea why?       
  • Yeah picture copying might be a different thing. I can copy text fine between apps though, just copied stuff from Edge to sms and from Edge to email. Maybe the problem is app specific
    Did you figure out how to insert pics from Word? In the bottom you click the three dots then Home, you'll fins Insert there
  • yes, i can copy text from edge, but not from other apps: after i select text i see a copy icon but it doesn't cpy anything.   and yes, i know where the insert picture command is in word but tapping it nothing happens....  
  • *** Dupe Post
  • They should implement more gestures to improve in-app navigation. Like in Store it will be handy if you are on a app page you could simply swipe to the next app on that list without going back to the list itself.
  • After the OneDrive news, no one gives a single f**** for Windows 10 Mobile anymore.
  • Yeah..they are behaving like its the end of the world..they can sit and mourn over this one drive fiasco.but this wil change if it has to
  • No one or just you?  I and many others are not affected by that decision.
  • Me too. I agree.
  • OneDrive fiasco is a big screw up from Microsoft. Wish they'd not screwed up all the Lumia owners who use the 15 GB for photos. Low blow, MS.
  • How about pay for some storage?
  • Few dollars for many GB. Start to pay.
  • Devan, I get it but their data is likely flawed. They saw a user like me using a few hundred megs and figured I wouldn't care. But I do care because of the trust issues. Now many users in the same boat which they likely figured wouldn't care since they are not using it. But the backlash soaks for itself. Not to mention horrible press from big newspapers like time magazine. People aren't seeing just a drop in space but a company who can make rash decisions and decide to screw your services over when they please. And those who didn't trust windows 10 to update are now justified in their decision. Since will not upgrade now because they May think it's another bait where you get it free and all of a sudden some new charges appear for features or who knows. This is all about giving the wrong impression not just space. It guess beyond that.
  • Nah. Its just entitled melodramatic whinging.
  • Guys stopping making a mountain out of a molehill and get on with it...if ms needs to change it they will.
  • Lol they're trying to break the internet on November 12
  • If they releasing it on the 12th they better be an insider release this week lol. Then insiders can tell the non insiders if it is worth it to update. Or stay on win 8.1m. I don't believe the OS will be ready in a week. They will be continuos updates for insiders even if they release. And the non insiders will have to wait for the next major update. Not good.
  • New Lumias inbound??
    Anything on Lumia 750??
  • Whether on the go or at home, it is important to own your own storage infrastructure. Having an Office 365 University sub that runs out in 2017 that has seen Microsoft change the storage levels upward and now downward within the sub period at Microsoft's whim, I am put off by Microsoft's action to limit users who weren't responsible for what Microsoft deems abuse of its systems that it allowed to occur by first offering unlimited anything; Microsoft knew people could read before it offered the service, so what did it think people would do when they read the word "unlimited"? I understand many were led to believe they would have a certain amount of free storage and are now facing losing that storage under the false pretext that the actions of paid subscribers means that free storage must now be reduced as well.  The free users and the paid users activity should be mutually exclusive, but alas, Microsoft owns the storage infrastructure; we knew that going into using OneDrive, and we have learned the brutal fact that, just like wireless phone carriers, any service that relies upon capacity to function is precisely antithetical to the promises of "unlimited" usage. That said, the aggregate disappointment I've been reading from people who are losing the virtual welfare that is free cloud storage is borderline petty. It is imperative that people invest in devices that offer better control of their own unique storage habits.  The cloud is a blanket solution that doesn't really solve anything when away from internet connectivity. What happened to the demand for the independence of offline storage (read local) in the form of greater built-in and expandable storage?  It was only a couple of years ago that people railed against the built-in nature of OneDrive in Windows 8/8.1 and Microsoft's attempts to make it the "Save to" storage folder of first resort by default.  Take back your independence in how you approach your personal storage habits.  Don't leave it up to the cloud.  That goes for OneDrive, Dropbox, iCloud, Google Drive, etc.  None of those services owes you anything unless you pay for it.  Even when you pay for it, it is a compromise.  The cloud should only be a back-up, not a way of life.  You can save quite a bit of money by creating, maintaining, and indulging in your own "cloud".
  • Good point. Might be time to turn on that old home server
  • with my phone contract it gives me 15 GB One drive storage ....if MS reduce it to 5GB then in my eyes its breaking the contract ..i m only aq small Person but i wonder how companys will react to it
  • I really dislike free stuff, makes people extremely entitled. MS dropped the ball by offering stuff.
  • I see what they did there Windows 10 on 11/12 :)  10...11...12
  • I hope they do releases W10 for everything in one day
  • So this close to RTM and still "quiet hours when busy in calendar" is nowhere to be seen?? Sometimes I do think MS just want to pull their best features to piss us off.
  • I just want Cortana to hear me from across the room again. Who thought one would wish that?! Hahaha
  • Hopefully this brings back Edge t my laptop!
  • I am on Verizon.  They probably forgot they even sold any Windows phones, and won't even know what to do with the Windows 10 Mobile update once they get it.  But, it would be nice if my Icon would get to have Windows 10!
  • Surprised that the new Xbox dashboard is launching soon. It feels so sluggish and far from ready. There was an update today and I'm till yet to try it but unless that's made a huge difference I can't see people being happy with it
  • Does this mean threshold 2 for mobile is coming to wp8.1 or only insiders?
  • What does it mean fall windows 10 refresh for mobile? Does it mean w10m is finalized for mainstream release?
  • So on Nov 12 I can finally update my phone to w10? It will be the RTM like 8.1 was with dev preview?
  • My 1520 is working very fine and battery, I must say is almost like 8.1 inspite of using Cortana.
  • I don't understand what Dan is trying to say here that clearly but I am concerned that are we going to get the official update on November 12????? Too exited if yes!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anybody???
  • When Windows 10 mobile will release?
  • Just remember,  all updates are carrier bound.  W10 will be coming out on 11.12,  but I can guarantee that AT&T will not have an update ready for most of their windows phones until well in the new year.  Unlocked phones I guess will get them right away however.  AND PLEASE quit the Whining and bitching about one drive.   its getting REALLY OLD!  Just get 365 and be done with it.  70 bucks a year,  stop going to starbucks every day and you will have enough to cover it,  i promise. 
  • Hey this is about the windows 10 mobile and the NXOE Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Will this release just be for insiders or even non insiders??
  • Should say, it is nice, may be insiders will get that already this Thursday in Central European Time.
  • So Windows 10 for phones should finally be released to the masses next week?
  • Unless 10586 fixes the SMS server issue, this will be an epic disaster. The battery life on many phones is bad enough, but couple that with the general public updating and not having their info resotred properly....
  • Microsoft update page is getting ready for windows 10 update, now have a lumia windows 10 page.  
  • Battery life on my L640 running 10581 has been on par with Win 8.1.  My concern is there are definitely still bugs.
  • Hi Dan, Don't think you should use the term "Fall," considering your articles are read worldwide. Only North America refers to autumn as fall, and it's only autumn in the Northern Hemisphere. Would be nice for you to realise when you look out your window there's a big wonderful world beyond your horizon.
  • I bet you're fun at parties.
  • I joined the insider program to test out the new Microsoft software technology so I am ready to get it on and test Windows threshold 2 updates new features Bring it on Microsoft.  
  • Wow is it official now?? I m so much eager for w10 in Lumia
  • An exciting month indeed.  I'm looking forward to it all.
  • haha, i think the storage should depend on the OS, and more storage for Windows 10 mobile users. This sounds evil but a good way.
  • Like Dan said, I do hope they are being bold enuogh to try updating everything on the 12th and that they succeed through and through. I will probably start wearing my "productive like a boss" t-shirt from the 12th. I've been waiting for the right day to break it out.
  • I would LOVE to see the update come across my 1020 on the 12th,  but I doubt it will happen.   I am expecting 6 months later for AT&Ts release for that one.  If,  at all.  I hope that at some point,  we can goto Microsoft and update the 1020 with drivers directly.
  • It is Microsoft's fault but OneDrive is basically for storing your documents, photos and a few videos. People were uploading whole backups of their computers, the entire video collections. Microsoft have just come to their senses. No such thing as a free lunch altough people think it's the right to one. I have a TB with my Office 365 subscription and it's more than enough space.  
  • Customers always believe they are King. Shops would refund anything they bought for any reason just to keep them happy and coming back. Then some genius worked it out that keeping that pain in the a$$ customer happy was actually costing the store mega bucks and the that customer was always going to be that way and store would never actually make money from them. Why does Microsoft need to keep the people happy who only use the free stuff? They never buy anything and just cost MS money.
  • Out of curiousity, will the update that is coming out tomorrow, come to non-Lumia phones, like the Win BLU HD LTE?