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Microsoft plans big Windows 10 UI refresh in 2021 codenamed 'Sun Valley'

Windows 10 Design 2021 Concept
Windows 10 Design 2021 Concept (Image credit: Microsoft)

What you need to know

  • A big UI refresh is on the cards for Windows 10 in 2021.
  • The project is codenamed Sun Valley.
  • Improvements to File Explorer, Start, and Tablet Mode are expected.

Microsoft is preparing a major OS update for Windows 10 in 2021 that sources say will bring with it a significant design refresh to the Windows UI. I'm told that Microsoft is planning to update many top-level user interfaces such as the Start menu, Action Center, and even File Explorer, with consistent modern designs, better animations, and new features.

This UI project is codenamed "Sun Valley" internally and is expected to ship as part of the Windows 10 "Cobalt" release scheduled for the holiday 2021 season. Internal documentation describes the project as "reinvigorating" and modernizing the Windows desktop experience to keep up with customer expectation in a world driven by other modern and lightweight platforms.

Windows 10 has remained much the same these last few years, with little to no changes in its design or feature set. Many other platforms on the market have gone through entire redesigns or UI refreshes in the last five years, and while Windows 10 has gone through minor design iterations with the introduction of Fluent Design, we've not seen a significant refresh or rethinking of its UI.

The Sun Valley project appears to be spearheaded by the Windows Devices and Experiences team, lead by Chief Product Officer Panos Panay, who took charge of said division back in February. Microsoft announced in May that the company would be "reinvesting" in Windows 10 in the 2021 timeframe, and my sources say that Sun Valley is the result of that reinvestment.

What can we expect?

Windows 10 new touch keyboard

Source: Windows Central (Image credit: Source: Windows Central)

It's still too early to nail down exactly what will be updated with Sun Valley, but sources have said to expect new Start menu and Action Center experiences, likely based on those same experiences found on Windows 10X, but tailored for desktop. Microsoft is also working on an updated Taskbar built with modern code, and an improved UI for the legacy File Explorer.

For tablet users, I'm told that better animations and a more "fluid experience" is on the cards. We already know that Microsoft is redesigning the touch keyboard and emoji picker, as those changes are already live in the Windows Insider Dev Channel. Microsoft will also continue its escapade of rounding-off corners throughout the UI, including app windows and other shell areas.

Sources also say to expect a wider adoption of WinUI throughout the Windows Shell and in-box apps, which should provide subtle yet improved design changes. In addition, more legacy UI areas are expected to get dark mode support in an effort to make the Windows UI look and feel more consistent when using Windows 10's dark theme.

I understand that this refreshed design will be an evolution of Fluent Design, and not a complete redesign of the OS. Microsoft isn't introducing a new design language with Sun Valley, it's simply refreshing and refocusing the current one on desktop, and trying to apply it more consistently throughtout the OS, a big feat for the legacy Windows desktop.

When is the release date?

Win 10x Taskbar Left

Source: Windows Central (Image credit: Source: Windows Central)

It's important to stress that Microsoft can cut or delay these plans at any time between now and when the update ships next year. It's likely that some of these plans won't make it to the final product, as that's just the nature of Windows OS development, and the reason why Microsoft doesn't announce these plans ahead of time. But, these are the things Microsoft wants to deliver to Windows 10 customers next year.

Microsoft is hoping to have most of this work done by the end of the Cobalt development semester, which wraps up in June 2021. Microsoft will then RTM a build, ship that off to OEMs and begin testing it in the Beta Channel as a designated release. The update itself won't roll out to the public until the fall, likely with an LCU (latest cumulative update) which sits on top with last-minute features and fixes.

If Microsoft is able to pull off its plans with Sun Valley, this will be the biggest Windows 10 UI refresh we've seen so far, coming after three long years of Windows 10 sitting on the back burner. Panos Panay wants people to go from needing Windows to loving Windows, and a modern refreshed interface that's intuitive and design-driven is a great start.

With Sun Valley, Windows 10 will still be familiar to PC users, unlike the transition from Windows 7 to Windows 8. I'm also told that for some features, users will be able to switch between the new and old experiences, giving users a choice rather than forcing it upon them. Sun Valley is all about improving and modernizing the familiar Windows UX, and not radically changing it up.

For now, what are your thoughts on Microsoft's Sun Valley project? Let us know in the comments.

Zac Bowden is a Senior Editor at Windows Central. Bringing you exclusive coverage into the world of Windows 10 on PCs, tablets, phones, and more. Also an avid collector of rare Microsoft prototype devices! Keep in touch on Twitter: @zacbowden.

96 Comments
  • Maybe about then Windows 2004 will drop for the Surface Pro 7 ? :)
  • I have the SP7 and I got the update.
  • It dropped on my Pro 7 a while ago. I 've gotten 20H2 since then.
  • Typing this from a fully updated Surface Pro ONE. Thing still flies and gets special patches from time to time, as well as updates pushed on day 1.
  • Lol same 😊, if my power button is going to hold it might reach its 9th of 10th year one day.
  • Must be some driver issue. My laptop can't update as well and upon asking the manufacturer I was told that it's a driver issue and I'll have to take my laptop to a service center to get it tested. Although before you do that, I'd suggest you to use Windows 10 Update Assistant.
  • I hope it's true, I already took my pcs out of the test builds due to lack of innovations and keep updating every week to receive nothing.
  • Same. I was on fast ring forever, but now I don't see the point, and just use the release preview ring. I'd love to go back to more aggressive updates, if it's worthwhile.
  • I believe when i see it. So many promises in the past.
  • Same here. It's all promises and no delivery for years now.
  • True, but what gives me hope this time is Panos being in charge. He's the one guy who might be committed enough to see it through.
  • I agree. This sounds very interesting and promising, but I won't believe it until it's there to be tested in Insider builds (so not just pretty videos either, we've got plenty of those, too).
  • Still waiting for the fluent design changes promised years ago
  • When Windows was its own department, it had to come up with ways to generate growth revenue with adware and hype features. Now that it's part of Surface, it will have the ability to evolve without that burden. The things I hope they fix. File Explorer needs to be a better product. Inbox apps needs to be top notch. Shell UI needs to be modern and consistent. Promote/build new/modern apps that can replace legacy dependencies. Push the same effort throughout the org, meaning things like visual studio needs to get on board.
  • Are they part of Surface? I believe they are still part of Azure. They just got Panos. I think the whole UI overhaul is nothing more than continuously merging 10X UI into 10. It would be a mistake to having to share resources in between developing parallel UI design where it is not needed.
  • Windows' kernal and operating system platform is under the Azure team, but the Shell was moved under Windows Devices and Experiences which is also the team that Surface is part of. Panos is in charge of how Windows looks and behaves, but not how or what it runs.
  • So Windows 10 is soon to behave as Android does? There will be a Windows 10 build number and sometime a UI build number along that? 😊
  • If it's anything like the Xbox design "refreshes", it'll be awful.
    Then again, the design of Windows 10 has gotten progressively WORSE instead of better since launch. There's no real Dark Mode anymore - instead there's a **** Grey Mode that makes anyone with a bare minimum of taste vomit - the transparency effects are as inconsistent as it gets, and now they're going for ridiculous rounded corners, as if displays have rounded corners. I still have a tiny bit of hope that Microsoft listens to customers and, whatever they do, opens up Windows to be fully customisable (including system colours, ie. allowing us to turn the **** Grey Mode into a proper Dark Mode, using black).
    But given Microsoft's track-record...I'm hoping for the best but expecting the absolute worse.
  • I hate Black Mode in Settings app. It's too contrast and uncomfortable to read text. It should be dark grey on PC. Black was nice on Windows Phone though.
  • I don't understand... you say it was nice on Windows Phone yet the same black bg is "too contrast and uncomfortable to read" on PC? Where a WP is more likely to have an OLED screen for even higher contrast than your typical PC screen?? Additionally, barely anyone seems to complain about iOS' black bgs in their dark mode, what gives? I also don't see anyone complain about the light mode that we've had for years being too contrasty, despite being literally a pure white bg with pure black text. Anyway, if you ask me I think if it had to be just one dark mode, it should be a black bg rather than the yucky almost-discord-style middle grey that we currently have. If we could have more than one type of dark mode, I would rename the current grey one to "Grey mode" and make the new dark mode actually have black backgrounds throughout the system UI like in the settings app. Hell, even just make it black bg with light grey text (same as the default colours in Command Prompt) to satisfy everyone including those who prefer low contrast for some reason, it would look way better especially on OLED screens imo than a grey on grey look.
  • I can't really explain for sure why, but I have the same "problem" as Fetisenko. I really liked the black in WP and I also like it on my phone today, but on Windows it hurts my eyes after some time. I think it may be because I usually read for longer periods of time on my PC than on my phone. Perhaps it's also something about how my PC has an LCD instead of an OLED screen, I don't know. It might also be because the surface area of things on a PC screen is bigger than on a phone, and I prefer dark grey for bigger surfaces and black for smaller surfaces (e.g. I like the combination of dark grey background and black comment box on Windows Central).
  • I also prefer dark grey, it's more comfortable to my eyes and looks better to me on my PC, perhaps due to the LCD vs OLED but also because I read for longer periods on time on my PC than the phone. It might also be because the surface area of things on a PC screen is bigger than on a phone, and I prefer dark grey for bigger surfaces and black for smaller surfaces (e.g. I like the combination of dark grey background and black comment box on Windows Central).
  • Agreed. Dark grey looks better in my most humble opinion. Google seems to prefer the grey route as well. I think Gmail looks a lot better the Outlook. But everyone is entitled to an opinion/preference.
  • I like how you say the "Grey mode" makes anyone with a bare minimum of taste vomit, when using a dark grey saturated background instead of a full on black background is like design theory 101 lol
  • I don't understand the comparison of the rounded corners to the corners of the screen. Those removed pixels don't affect the functionality of the window maximized or otherwise. It's purely a cosmetic preference. I actually prefer them myself to the point of using third party themes to add them. I find sharp corners in a UI quite displeasing to look at. Again, purely a cosmetic preference.
  • I look forward to see what the add/improve with the tablet mode of Windows 10. I anticipate on using my Surface Pro 6 for the next few years. So, having a better tablet experience would be nice. I'm interested to see what they do overall. I like the little UI touches they implemented on the Xbox. I guess we will se where it goes from here.
  • Yet another refresh, not interested. Fluent design has been an failure. Nothing is fluent because its only resigned for touch screens. Desktop users have to suffer.
  • Tablet mode is terrible too.
  • Tablet mode is all but abandoned left on the back lot to rot
  • Only designed for touch? Tablet Mode hasnt been changed pretty much since Creators Update, and that was rather minor in comparison since the first release of Windows 10. I would say, Windows 10 were more mouse focused and touch pretty much a 3rd class now.
  • None of the modern parts of Windows 10 is using fluent compact sizing. Modern UI has ton of wasted space and doesn't expand horizontally.
  • Again??? Looks like they like to start something new so often and keep leaving things unfinished. Windows 10 is Fluent with bits of Metro, Aero, Luna and W9x...now it will be Sun Valley with bits of Fluent, Metro, Aero, Luna and W9x...
  • Well, the point seems to be that it's not a new design, rather they're going to apply Fluent more consistently. Let's see how much becomes of that in the end.
  • Those sound like pretty superficial changes, including the tablet mode changes. But I'm glad I'm reading about MS doing something, anything new with tablet mode. It's useless as is.
  • Better not lose live tiles.
  • Hopefully, but Windows 10 X didn't have it and we know thats the UI going forward. Unless Panos team actually likes it and decided to keep it and update it. They could have just left the Live Tiles with same accent color based design, but recently decided to touch it which hasn't been done for years. Well see how it goes.
  • That's Windows for you - add to the memory bloat so you can have cute animations like the old Office Assistant paperclip.
  • Most users don't care about "memory bloat" they care about if it looks nice or not. The actually performance means little. Great example is Vista SP2 vs Windows 7. They benchmark within 5% of each other in most tests, but Vista UI's looks more choppy and lagy even if it's not because the animations are less optimized. So, Vista LOOKS slower even if its not. This makes people THINK its a slow buggy mess. Appearances are everything.
  • Windows itself never had memory bloat, you are thinking of the poorly setup OEM machines with too much unneeded driver and add-on B.S. that bloated a machine to the ground.
  • Memory bloat? This isn't 2006. Windows 10 runs lean on my devices.
  • What memory bloat?
  • This isn't the early 2000s where devices ranged for 512mb to 1gb of RAM.
  • Memory bloat? Windows 10 still runs okay on 2GB Atom 8 inch tablet that I still have, which is the minimum requirements of the OS. Not as fast as my desktop and SB3, but still usable.
  • I'm still annoyed they never finished FULLY deploying NEON to everything. I LOVED that UI look, but before they finished, they started replacing it with the "next" look. They have NEVER finished a full deployment of ANY UI style before moving to the next one. Win 3.1 has Windows 1.0 icons, W7 still has 3.1, 9x and XP icons. I would not be amazed if someplace in 10 there are not still 9x and XP icons.
  • Just look inside the Shell32.dll, they are hiden in it!
  • Will be on Mac with Apple silicon and ditching Android too. Just got a Pixel, eyeing up an iPhone 12, most likely get aa 13. Microsoft, Google, seeya!
  • Your high school classmates will certainly take notice of how cool you have become.
  • 😂 That's about the extent of Apple products.
  • Remember Project NEON? I'm guessing this will finally give us what NEON promised! But with more rounded corners and more of those lovely new fluent icons!
  • Project Neon if I remember is Fluent Design System. Issue isn't the design, it is how they implement it. After years it is still inconsistent and never completely updated the UI of Windows 10 like how they completely updated from Windows 2000 to XP more drastically from XP to Vista.
  • Right, but Project Sun Valley is still going to use Fluent Design but in a more complete manner, it should look like that teaser video Panos dropped that celebrated 1 billion users of Windows 10.
  • Hopefully that will be a reality. It's been pain to witness Windows 10 in UI design standpoint with is highly inconsistent UI. Windows 8.X were at least have more consistent design albeit split personality. Personally I would like to see most is the new Taskbar and Explorer shell in general, Action Center and that UWP File Explorer that were traded on that 1 Billion video. I would love to still retain Live Tiles and improve from that point. Considering iOS and iPadOS is officially going with Widgets paradigm and even making iOS Springboard home UI more like Live Tiles. But most importantly, consistent and actually polished UI.
  • Guess they will slowly implement this over the course of several years like they have with fluent design 🙄
  • I want consistency in the UI, and complete the transformation initiated with Windows 10. There are crumbs everywhere in the OS. Pieces of Windows 2000, XP, Vista and 7 are scattered throughout. I *really* don't care about backward compatibility; I want a modern OS.
  • If you want a modern OS, get an iPad. Windows is a pure legacy play. That I can think of, there has not been a single, major "new" application for Windows (other than games and programming languages) in ~20 years, other than a few things ported back from modern OSes (i.e., iOS/Android).
  • Adulting requires things like software designed for mouse and keyboard interaction and multitasking, not 12.5" of Twitter scrolling. Even some basic productivity tasks are just frustrating messes on mobile OSes. "That I can think of, there has not been a single, major "new" application for Windows (other than games and programming languages) in ~20 years... " Maybe you're not adulting yet.
  • I kind of agree with "x I'm tc" here. The vast majority of my adulting as you put it is done in either MS 365 (which is fully multi platform), Adobe CS (there will be full ARM versions of photoshop, illustrator etc. within 6 months of new Macs launching, I guarentee it) or SaaS based software. I work for a startup making software for the EV industry fyi so my adulting is pretty tech heavy. I can't imagine building a piece of local install software in this day and age. Everything is SaaS because it's objectively better for everyone (apart from some specific use cases). The reality is that the majority of office workers could easily get away with using a non-Windows device to do most of their work. As an example, my Samsung Galaxy S10+ turns into a desktop through Dex when plugged into a screen. I hadn't touched this feature for a couple of generations but tried it a few weeks back and it's come on massively, far more fluid than Continuum ever was (I was all in on WP until my 950XL died). Kb and mouse support, windowed apps, multi-tasking, I can even carry on using my phone while I'm plugged in. If Samsung can design, build and maintain an entire desktop environment for the 10 people in the wield using Dex then why can't Microsoft put the resource on to make sure the Windows interface is consistent and conforms to a couple of different touch points.
  • Saying MS 365 is fully multi-platform isn't quite accurate. There are major features missing from the non-windows version of MS Office Apps. Complete feature parity doesn't even exist between the Windows and MacOS versions (speaking as a Mac and Windows user, I've personally ran into this and it's maddening!). I work for a law firm and it's common to create documents that have specific formatting requirements that are hundreds of pages long. The iPad OS/iOS/Android versions of Word do not support styles (if you don't know how to use Styles in Word, just about every document you write will take three times longer to format), tables of contents (automatically generated from headings/styles), section specific formatting, and mail merges (letters, labels, and even emails). While I agree we could get to the point where a PC/Laptop isn't needed, we aren't there yet because the applications written for other platforms have been too dumbed down to actually be useful.
  • I agree that it's about power. But it's also about UI. Touch-first OSes are not designed for full-on productivity. They can do great things for light productivity (maybe you don't need styles in Word; maybe the web versions of your heavy-duty apps are good enough). But Windows and Mac and GNU/Linux are different and run on different hardware not just because their makers are lazy and haven't yet moved to the brave new world of mobile OSes. The software and the use cases are different. That's what makes x i'm tc's comment so juvenile.
  • You use Photoshop and Illustrator on a mobile device without ever going to a Mac or a PC? I'm not saying Windows itself is required. I'm saying a desktop-based OS is required. I just don't buy the assertion that iOS (or Samsung's brand of Android) is sufficient - it's clearly not. By "adulting" I am snarkily referring to software that might be able to run on a mobile OS or as a Web service, but work infinitely better in their full, desktop forms. Their full desktop forms exist for a reason. Two examples I am familiar with: Matlab (has a "lite" mobile version) and ArcGIS (has an online version). If you really need these kinds of software, why would you ever suffer through the mobile OS or Web experience, except for certain situations where it's convenient? If you really need Photoshop and Illustrator, why would you NOT use the Mac or PC versions? While I snarkily used "adulting" to dismiss x I'm tc's childish arguments, I am not making light of how difficult it is to develop a touch-friendly OS that can fully accommodate full-on productivity software. It's been a hard slog for MS - they basically gave up at one point, but they may be on to something with W10X - and Apple both. Full-on desktop software heavily dependent on mouse and keyboard is fundamentally different.
  • All good points and the examples of the software you give are definitely the kind of things I'd definitely say require full desktop. Worth pointing out that I use a surface pro so I'm really only speaking hypothetically. My point on photoshop was that it'll be recompiled for ARM one ARM Macs become the norm. Every designer I've ever worked with uses a Mac. One the ARM version exists you can expect full photoshop on iPad and maybe Android. I think for me what it comes down to is that for years we've been chasing this holy grail of convergence of desktop and touch where as maybe the answer is adaptability. I just want one device that does everything but rather than having one interface that tries to serve multiple use cases, you just need totally different interfaces depending on the scenario. That was my point on Dex. You plug it onto a monitor and it doesn't try to be a phone at all. It's just a desktop experience that's almost unrecognisable as android. Another great example (but easy now niche) was some of the work the home brew community has come up with on Windows on ARM on Lumia 950. Full Windows is horrible on a phone but people have hacked tablet mode apart so that it basically works the same as Windows 10 Mobile. Performance is awful on the Lumia but the concept is there. Then you can connect to screen and have full Windows. At the end of the day, as ARM support gets pushed out across Windows and OSX you're going to see the barriers for having them run on different types of hardware removed. That provides opportunity to rethink the touch points and interfaces that Windows needs to work with and that is exciting! The worst thing MS could do is insist that Windows is for desktops only and not think about developing for emerging use cases.
  • "If you want a modern OS, get an iPad. Windows is a pure legacy" - @x I'm tc I'm a MS fan personally, but I see your point. My daughter just paid for her first "laptop" using her own money. She's a pretty avid photographer. And guess what she got? An iPad Air. I think young people today view Windows like we used to view the green screen when we were that age. Well... maybe not quite that bad, but sad really. I think it's reversible, if Microsoft even just pretended to care about Windows again.
  • "I *really* don't care about backward compatibility; I want a modern OS." Then Windows 10X will be for you. You're simply not going to get that with Windows 10 because literally millions of people do care about backward compatibility.
  • I really doubt this, they were promising a UI refrsh with fluent for the 2004 update, then it was supposed to be the October update, now it's some time next year...... yeah right.
  • "For tablet users, I'm told that better animations and a more "fluid experience" is on the cards. We already know that Microsoft is redesigning the touch keyboard", look forward to this, I already find W10 to be mature in many areas but if tablet experience and ui consistency is improved a bit more than it is almost perfect for me.
  • Every year is the same , next year will be a big update , not seen any big changes for years
  • Can they revamp the windows store too
  • With the new Xbox/Microsoft Store on Xbox. I guess and I hope that is also in the works. It is in dire needs of revamping especially performance-wise its bad, which is the worst part of it and its unreliable. The search isn't great and UI for its search results isn't great, too basic and feels like I'm not getting the results I want from it. Currently Microsoft Store isn't even that enjoyable to browse through contents, not counting the amount of contents it has.
  • Hopefully Tablet Mode mode will get the love it really needs. Not just more polished and smoother animations, but better interactions, new multitasking features, and fixing bugs that hasn't been fixed like on example app getting cut off bug when rotating back from portrait. New multitasking features like Vertical Snapping and floating window support for some apps, maybe even as organized as iPadOS. I wonder if Live Tiles will get ditched since Windows 10 X doesn't have it, but they recently updated Live Tiles as well. So it's either there will be split between Windows 10 Desktop and 10 X, or maybe just maybe since Panos in charge of Windows Shell, they change plans and hopefully re-invest with Live Tiles and make improvements and fixing bugs of that feature. Considering that iOS and iPadOS now have more Lice Tiles like homescreen, it's weird Windows 10 instead ditching it. Android still has it, though rather messy.
  • With Panos on the case, coming from a Surface perspective, you'd think that he'd be keen to get Tablet Mode up to scratch. His hardware can't be shown off and used to its full potential without a complimentary OS.
  • Very true. Surface Pro, one of the most popular Surface model, is a tablet first and foremost. The marketing say's its a laptop, but the form factor, it is a very definition of a tablet. Yes there is a detachable keyboard, but its still not a proper laptop and that's perfectly fine because it is not a laptop. The problem with Surface Pro and Surface Go is that Windows 10 isn't really great as a tablet. Its usable and okay, but it could have been better. Surface Pro has lost its full potential when Windows 10 treated Tablet Mode as an afterthought. Its better to be a laptop though it will not be a perfect laptop and it doesn't have the best tablet UX even though it is a tablet. Its a hybrid yes, but hybrid doesn't mean tablet should be bad. So I think Panos may have been thinking to fix that, hopefully. Fixing Windows 10 UX to be better tablet for its Surface devices, especially when Surface Pro and Go are tablets, and Book can be a tablet as well. That's 3 tablet (2 true tablets) out of other half; Surface Studio a desktop PC, Surface Laptop and Laptop Go as laptops. We can say 4 tablets since Surface Book has two sizes. 15 inch may be too big for a tablet, but it is still a tablet and not yet as big as desktop PC.
  • Exciting. Annoying it's a year away though. A Modern UX, Modern Start Menu and Modern Tablet Experience are all badly needed. I'm not sure it's possible this late in the game to make people love Windows like they do IOS and Android.
  • Everyone want new improved Modern Windows UI,
    but when Microsoft Deliver, then Everyone will Whine that it sucks, that old way is the better.
    ^_^
  • Because 1) Windows is in dire need of a UI consolidation and uniformity update and 2) Microsoft has historically sucked very hard at implementing anything in the realm of UI since 2012. Every single attempt Microsoft has made to update Windows 10 UI paradigms they have failed at, both in style/execution but also half arsing implementation so that instead of number of styles in use reduced, it gets extended.
  • I disagree. I used Macs for 29 years straight. During that time I couldn't even look at Windows OS without getting queasy. Especially in the OS X age. Windows looked Hasbro and was a complete mess. 10 is the first version of Windows a Mac user could switch to. And did. Sara Dietschy on YouTube gets it too.
  • But you're talking about opinions. I'm stating the facts: 1) Microsoft has been aware in the past of its lacking UI and attempted to correct it and 2) after an initial college effort, Microsoft abandons these works leaving behind yet another iteration of disparate UI bitrot. The fact remains that Microsoft has admitted every couple of years that Windows 10 UI is in disjointed shambles, always leading to projects such as the initial UI away from 8, project neon, and now sun valley. The only notable thing that gives anyone any hope about the latest effort is that it's led by the talented Panos Panay and is specifically meant to incorporate UI changes to all apps, both UWP and real applications that people actually use that don't use UWP. I'm certainly sorry you used Macs for so long.
  • "both UWP and real applications that people actually use that don't use UWP." You can clearly see how Microsoft failed there when people are still making this distinction after all those years :)
  • Geeeees, I was just getting used to the current Win 10 UI, now they gotta mess it up again?!?!?!
  • Since I use my computer for work and very little else I am very lacking in enthusiasm because Windows 10 has been nothing butt garbage. Microsoft SpyWare abounds in Edge and Cortana, they run even if you disable them and they record your key strokes and mouse clicks. Look at you Task Manager they are running even when you do not launch them...that's Spyware by Microsoft's definition
    Give me the choice to not have Edge or Cortana before it is installed by Update and make the OS STABLE instead of inept as Trump!
  • If anyone is going to be able pull this off, it's going to be Panos. ✨
  • If you dabble in the Linux world, you know there's great delight in offering various desktops. Ubuntu Mate and Zorin are just two distros that offer like 6 variant interfaces. Yes. All at the push of a button. So why hasn't it occurred to Redmond (yet) to do a similar thing. Offer Windows 10 in a '7' flavor, a 10 flavor, and an iFlavor. That way -- 1. People who hate 10 can kinda get 7 back
    2. People who like 10 can stay with it an experience improvements
    3. People who'd like some sort of dock and hot corners standard can switch from Mac and save a fortune on a hardware This isn't hard.
  • I agree with everything except "This isn't hard." I very much doubt that. But! You can install KDE on Windows. Why not try it out if you're interested?
  • Many options don't help. I don't like to have to choose between Covid, Ebola and an unknown virus from a secret lab. Then i would rather go with a common cold. Not nice, but chances of surviving it are good.
  • What about Settings app which use an old version of Fluent Design? It would be nice if it could use new version with less contrast like the other more recent apps.
  • Yeah, it would be nice if they also start reworking the Settings app UI, not by completely changing it but updating it and organize it better. They can start applying new Fluent Design iteration like rounded corners to Settings app. And also adding separator between group of settings.
  • Yeah, let's have some fresh lipstick on this pig, that'll fix it.
  • I hope Microsoft will add back in support for EMU1212M. It hasn't worked reliably since Version 1809. I finally had to order another audio interface. TASCAM US-1200. My understand is that the TASCAM US-1200 still works in Version 2004 of Windows 10. I hope these updates don't break the TASCAM US-1200... I can't afford these potentially unnecessary updates...
  • I just wish they would fix the freakn' control panel. There are distinctly three generations of it that must be accessed to get some things done, especially related to networking. Remember when you could just right-click on your network icon in the system tray and go to properties to change the properties of the connection? These days, I have to stumble through who knows how many screens just to enable or disable a protocol, or set a static IP address, etc.
  • Everytime i need to go there, i could swear it's in a different place.
  • Eh, more new features and effects that I'll just ignore or disable. About the only thing I may notice are the rounded corners. I won't see the Start Menu changes since I use Open Shell for my Start Menu. I won't be seeing the new animations since I always disable all animations in Windows (assumes they still give me the ability to disable them). And I won't be using inbox Apps (never heard of them until this article!).
  • Sounds kinda sad, Steve
  • Well different people, different likes. It may not affect you but this is still relevant to others. Actually most leave the options on, so more people actually will notice the change regardless they care or not.
  • "Panos Panay wants people to go from needing Windows to loving Windows" This is exactly what Windows needs! That's exactly the problem right now. People need Windows, they don't love it. I only hope they throw the proper resources at this, and soon. They really need to refresh the Microsoft Store too. And refresh the design on a few members of the Surface lineup too (like Surface Pro and Surface Book, and possibly even Surface Laptop to an extent). It's all getting rather long in the tooth. All those combined are what users see as "Windows".
  • I use Windows because the alternatives are even worse. When they sort out all the inconsistencies, it really would be great.
  • I've spent the last 6 weeks or so dabbling in Linux. I do this every once in a while and then remember why I said 'Never Again'. (It's crazy unstable.) That said -- -- Linux has one thing right. That Windows MUST copy. If you look below this you'll see two camps: NEW COULD BE BETTER and CLASSIC SHELLHOLES. Where Windows (stupidly) attempts to find a middle ground, Linux couldn't care less. In prominent distros the offer 3 or more variants of the desktop that please anyone. You just flip switches and within seconds your entire desktop paradigm changes. Kinda Windows 7. Kinda Chromebook. Kinda Windows 10. Kinda Mac OS. Kinda Unity. Pick what you like and throw a party for yourself. Windows could go from dull compromise to EXCITING. Their could be experimental desktops that cutting edge types play with. There could be drool worthy variant of Mac OS. Do you realize that right now the Pinheads at MS still can't make the taskbar look 'pretty' on the sides of the screen? How many more decades do this stillbirth developers need to have Windows catch up to Linux as of years ago and Mac OS as of 20 years ago! Don't they get that when the OS is as slick as Mac OS a lot of Mac users are going to consider buying $999 15.6 PCs instead of having to cough up $2400 to get a screen near that size? Any day now Panos. Please.
  • Every year is the same promise.