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Windows RT allegedly hacked onto a Lumia 520 with new Windows Phone Internals suite

Earlier this week Windows Central broke the news of Windows Phone Internals, a new side project by XDA member heathcliff. The suite of tools opens the doors for custom ROMs with access to the bootloader on Lumia Windows Phones up through Windows 10 Mobile.

Tonight, the first signs of the project catching have appeared on XDA. Hacker Wack0Distractor has posted a photo of a Lumia 520 running on all things Windows RT.

In the brief post, Wack0Distractor notes:

"After patching signature checks out of winload, and adding the halexts and registry entries for those, I had to patch 1 byte in the kernel, without which a SECURITY_SYSTEM bugcheck happens during boot. I haven't fully added any drivers yet, other than the halexts, i'll be doing that soon. So right now touchscreen doesn't work etc."

Later he responds to question:

"I will probably try to get some drivers working in this WinPE then nothing more, this was a proof of concept. I have a DragonBoard 410c that I aim to use for WoA experimentation when i get a power supply for it, so..."

Granted, the idea that we all will be running Windows RT on our old Lumias is pretty farfetched. However, it does suggest that these Windows Phone Internals tools are rather powerful. Hopefully, we will see more crazy ideas being put into motion over the next few months.

Source: XDA; via Windows Phone Internals

Daniel Rubino
Daniel Rubino

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

208 Comments
  • With Windows RT, that means all of those drivers too... Xbox 360 controller and Halo on a 520 anyone?
  • Maybe the controller, but Halo?
  • Yeah.... That poor hardware couldn't bear it... Flagships can handle it
  • Can i unbrick my old lumia 520 using this tool? WPRT , LSRT etc all have failed to reflash its corrupted bootloader..
  • if your lumia 520 can connect to the PC, then maybe.
  • Wait, does this mean I can finally install w10m on Android? Kinda like what they did with the xiomi 4? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Have you tried Nokia Software Update for Retail?
  • Yes even the retail version has failed.. The phone does switch on..but shows an error after nokia logo.. It also does connect to pc..but the installation fails using nsu for retail also..
  • Use this: wpinternals.net
  • With WPInternals you can do just about anything and unbricking a majority of brick scenarios should be possible, if you need any help then just reply
  • I have a bricked Lumia 820, could you guide me a little? Get me on ankitjc@live.in
  • I think a MUCH more interesting idea would be getting Windows 10 Mobile running on the Surface RT and Surface 2.
  • Yes, definitley. Windows 10 Mobile in Continuum mode would be amazing for the RT.
  • Windows Mobile for old Windows RT devices? Nah, Windows RT for old Windows Mobiles!
  • Having said that, if one device can be made to run the other, it shows promise. Might give new life to RT devices eventually.
  • Hope springs eternal.
  • Well that was what MS tested rt on before(even though it pretty much was exclusively tegra in rtm)
  • My first thought was if someone could revese that and give me a 1520 ROM on my 2520. Telephony ahoy!!!  And the next thought was, App city!!! (Relatively speaking.)
  • Yeah I would love to have RT on my 1520 which is about to be retired. A good excuse to keep it around.
  • Huh... This in of itself isn't really that amazing, but what it promises is quite interesting!
  • XDA developers are so much better than those working in Microsoft! Cheers to them!
  • So you're telling me, as someone who finds Windows 10 Mobile UI gross, that I can get a Lumia 950 XL and install Windows Phone 8.1? *tears of joy*
  • Yeah but no one is going support windows phone 8.1 anymore
  • The basic OS will work just as 7.5 still works. There are very few must have apps for myself which is why I stayed on Windows Phone and didn't need to jump ship to Android or iOS. ​
  • @Justin I'm with you.  The UI for W10 is abysmal.  My wife still uses her WP 7.5 device daily and doesn't want to upgrade.  And I don't plan on upgrading to WP10 anytime soon.  With pivots gone from the daily apps I use, like mail and music.  And Groups under the People Hub crippled from what it used to be I'm staying put with 8.1.  The hamburger menus are so damn awful if I didn't hate Android and iOS so much I would have moved.  If Tizen ever becomes popular and had pivots I'd move to that.  :) I wouldn't be surprise if Microsoft gets rid of the Live tiles soon.  Because that's the only thing from the original version that's remaining. 
  • Dude the UI (user interface) from Windows 10 Mobile is nigh identical to that of Windows Phone 8.1. Most changes are, in my opinion, for the positive, but if a 5% difference is enough to turn something you really enjoy into something abysmal then you might need to reevaluate your original stance. Now the User Experience (UX) of apps and integrated experiences (hubs) has definitely changed but the reasons for those changes are pragmatic. Pivots are pretty, but they are garbage for discoverability. There is often little visual cue that a pivot exists amd when there is, you don't know what the options are or where it ends until you run through the whole thing. That's just not good UX. For example, I hated the new look of the now called Groove music app, until I used the thing. It is far easier to navigate than it used to be. Now the podcasts app, which retains the old pivot functionality, is the one that annoys me. Hubs were phenomenal and I am as sad as anyone else to see them go. However even if you stay on an old WP version they'll likely degrade into obsolescence anyway, because the reason for their dissolution is that it's not possible to keep hubs up to date with all the different API and feature changes of the apps that integrate with them. And, frankly, when it comes right down to it, while hubs were certainly nice they're not such a huge deal breaker. The information is all still there, we've simply got to find it in each app like the poor folks on iOS and Android.
  • Hey "Dude", I was using the term "UI" Ioosely.  We all knew what I was discussing and YES, the user experience has completely changed. Fact is, the vast majority  of those who came to Windows Phone voluntarily came because of the way it looked - user experience.  And is it any wonder the world wide share of Windows Phone has dropped recently - everything has changed and the fans of that mobile operating system don't see the point in sticking around.  If they are going to use a completely different experience, why not go with Android & iOS, the OSes that developers support i.e.. the phones that have the apps.  So while the whole universal apps and OS may appeal to some, it's not enough for people who are tired of Microsoft starting over.
  • Also, totally forgot that hubs were a thing. Tbh, they were never that useful anyway, since they could never offer the kind of functionality discrete apps do and trying to make them as useful as apps would simply have overcomplicated things. Stuff like integrating contacts with twitter and facebook was a nice idea, but in reality it wasn't really all that useful - if you want to use facebook or twitter you're far more likely to just download the app for them and look at someone's profile that way.
  • i disagree i loved facebook intergration and miss it dearly.  Having all my photo albums from facebook on my photo album was awsome and ment i didnt have to open facebook just to look at my pictures.  I miss it and will miss it loads, especially now that microsoft has screwed me out of 30gig onedrive storage which i got when i payed 500 pounds for my lumia 930 and windows 8.
  • Acually he makes a very valid point.  On my 930 im still missing linked email and gestures.  Linked email is a big difference to its current illiteration than windows 8.  Also hamburger menu does suck.  Its at the top left of the phone instad of pivoting which means no more 1 handed contral system, again that does take away from the brilliant intuative pivoting style of windows phones.  Many apps i use because they are developed with the whole pivoting and windos ui in mine, something parts of windows 10 mobile fight againse.  Then theres gestures.  Windows 8.1 on my lumia means that wile on the phone if i lay it on the table the speaker comes on and if i pick it up it goes off.  Windows 10 is just like the iphone now you have to manually select speakerphone instead of it coming on when you place phone on table, thats a prety big thing to me that i loved.  For me 8.1 mobile was best osd ever it took me away from my 6 years of iphone usage.  Windows 10 is better than the android or iphone platform but its certainly not as good as 8.1 was, not at this stage.
  • The user interface design as well as the user experience are most definitely not anywhere near the same between Windows Phone 8.x and Windows 10.x Mobile. Pivots and panoramas aside, which were more of examples than of core design elements, the UI of Windows 10 Mobile differs greatly in where it places importance in the interface design and the level of aesthetics employed in said design. For instance, the settings UI for Windows Phone 8, and to a limited extent Windows 8, placed a focus on a text based information organized in a clean, yet aesthetically pleasing fashion. Granted, categorization was much needed, and arrived later for select devices with Update 2 for Windows Phone 8.1. Meanwhile, Windows 10 places focus on iconic organization similar to that of Control Panel, with less informative text information and a more confusing placement of options, with settings that were originally placed within one menu being divided into 2 or more within separate categories. Again, the contacts app is another example, where as Windows Phone placed an emphasis on social networking and, again, clean design, Windows 10 Mobile has (last I checked) opted for a more fragmented experience, with a limited social feed, the removal of the much useful "Me" center for quick posts and notifications, and an unclear focus as to what is the "goal" of the application, aside from being a contacts app. Another two examples would be Messages and Mail, as Windows Phone 8 put, once again, a focus on the content of the application with informative text and little "chrome", whereas Windows 10 Mobile puts an emphasis on useless interface elements that exist for the sake of "universality" (which ignores the complexities of mobile) and moves components into the text creation area (such as send within messages) for no clear reason, thus limiting space that much more within the app. It also places emphasis on hamburger menus, which are harder to use one handed over the *action of pivoting and panoramic content display (which is not limited to the traditional use of pivots and panoramas). Even with support for swipe-to-open gestures, hamburger menus require more reaching of the thumb, and greater time to use, compared to a simple "swipe" and tap; and are better suited for tablet, mice, and multi-handed use. It's context menus, too, are more complex, behaving more like a "touch friendly" traditional context menu, as seen in Windows 8, then as an actual touch-centric full-width context menu, as existed previously in Windows 10 mobile. To say Windows 10 mobile is mostly the same as Windows Phone 8.1 is to say Mac OS is nearly identical to Windows, or that Android is nearly identically to iOS, or even that Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 use the same UI. They bear similar interface elements, true, and are going for a passing resembalance, but they look no more alike than one does to their own cousin. They are related, but nothing else. *The facebook Windows Phone 8.1 app, post-hamburger removal, being a key example, using a pivot method of navigation in a way that matched their application on other platforms and integrated a menu experience alternative to hamburgers.
  • Android seems to have de facto pivots in most apps anyway, in the sense that you can swipe between screens (e.g. the facebook swipes between timeline/friend requests/notifications in the same way it does on WP, and many with the haburger let you swipe to get into it). Same as most WP apps in that respect. In any case the WP7 implementation of pivots and hubs has more or less faded into obscurity anyway. I have maybe four or five apps on my Lumia 735 that adhere strictly to the old style of pivot implementation (a tumblr client called Favoz, xBox music, the people app, OneDrive and the email app). Tbh it now seems a bit dated and clunky, and I can't blame MS for getting rid of it and third parties for watering its implementation down.
  • i agree pivoting is exellent and its not fully gone from windows in windows 10, actually they recently removed hamburger from pgotos and implimented the pivoting back, lets hope microsoft grow a pair and bring back pivoting in everything.  Persojnally thouigh i love windows 10 on the phone, yeh the odd inconsistency but i dont wana go back as i like it enough, and with linked email coming back the only think i need now is windows gestures back.  Thats something im still waiting for, but i have 1 year to upgrade and that will depend on  windows gestures, linked email and ofc a up and runing apple wireless pay method.  Without these things and some adustments to their onedrive policys(im loosing 25gig of my storeage) then im afraid ill be leaving windows envoirnment fully, so the balls in their court for me. If threy get rid of live tiles im gone its that simple, its the main reason i use and love y windows phone.
  • What could you possibly find that is better about 8.1...you can make 10 look exactly the same as 8.1, the settings are better organized in 10, photos, storage, features, built in apps, they are all better on 10. The only thing I could see you arguing about would be the people app and it's social messaging connection. Unfortunately, it was the 3rd party apps that decided it's fate. What else is there that was better about 8.1??
  • I can make 10 look like 8.1​? Really? I can bring back the panoramic views, pivots, metro UI and typography? Well, fill me in on how to do that because that's what attracted me to Windows Phone. I feel like Windows 10 Mobile UI is different for the sake of being different.
  • I am surprised. The first time I saw windows 10 mobile , I thought it looked exactly like wp8.1. And I still think so. That's why I prefer WP since it is stable.
  • Squirrel!
  • Did you go past the start screen? Didn't think so.
  • That's so funny! That's the same question that comes to mind when someone says WP10 is just like 8.1. Did you go past the Live Tiles? Because the entire essence of WP has been gutted! But this is what Microsoft thinks is preventing them from being more successful. And it makes me laugh and cry. No more pivots is sickening!!!
  • There still are pivots, like in the People app, the dialer, in photos app . A lot of 3rd party windows apps use pivots (facebook, twitter, 6tag, mytube etc.) But all those apps have just 3-5 main sections that get pivoted. They took them out of apps, where they wouldn't really work. When there are too many sections swipe from side to side, the hamburger menu is a better solution, like in the Xbox app, which has 8 sections, that imho are already a bit too many for the pivot. I've been using W10 on my phone for a while now and when I had to go back to 8.1 to upgrade to a newer build, I stopped to look around for a few minutes. After using W10, I don't think I could go back to WP8.1, it just feels so barren in comparison, all the little things add up
  • Thank you... Very much agreed... The code is better and works better with everything... Times are changing... It is what needed to be universal... Win10 across the board works great and has a smoother transition from device to device!!!
  • accross the board?  You have pivoting in photo album then you go to people and pivit again then you go to grove music? opes grove is different no pivoting.  Its this kind of difference that is jaring when you compare old windows 8.1 or 8 or even 7 to windows 10.  Windows 10 doesnt quite know what it is yet in mobile.  I like windows 10 mobile and use it as my daily drive, i like the smaller more modern text, i like the new features and i even prefer groove but prefering groove is because i see 4-5 albums before scrolling compared to xbox rubbish 1-2 album view.  I wish theyd either remove hamburger or put hamburger on the bottom left of the page and include pivoting too so use has choice.  Windows 10 when on phone app you wana pivote left or right you alwasy accidently hit a number when you get to number pad, unless you make sure you scroll in the right place, again a design fault and is far from perfect. Needed is apps and better updating of apps.  I still cant cast my netflix onto my miricast tv.  Im still waiting for gestures as they have removed it since windows 8.1.  I still dont have linked email accounts.  Yeh theres alot of good in this phone i love my lumia 9230 on windows 10 but windows 10 is not even close to 8.1 as far as im concerned its got a way to go yet, not a big way but knowing microsoft itll be 3 years before we see gestures, another 4 before we get a apple pay, maybe  another 2 years to have more customisation, like tailed mode wall paper draging over to program menu like in the none tilesd mode lol.   Lets not forget casting.  Netflix, i need that.   Oh ive been with windows 8.1 for 1 year and i think the 930 with 8.1 is the best phone experience i have ever had (smartphone.) but apps particually gaming apps is a huge gulf, i think if it doesnt improve ill strugle when december comes next year and i have to upgrade my phone.
  • Actually, pivots have been gone since 8.1. think of the pictures app/former hub
  • The earlier versions of Pictuers app on W10 didn't have pivots, but were put back a few versions later. The pivots in the Pictures app have been back for some time now
  • wow so my first experience on windows 8.1 means it was all a dream  as i didnt use pivoting at all.  Thks if i didnt have ytou to tell me i would have thought i day dreamed the 930 and all the pivoting i did.
  • MS got rid of those things because isheep and fandroids didn't understand how to use winmo apps. They added the menus and removed pivots to increase discoverability.
  • windows 7,8,8.1 are not the issue people would have used them.  Issue is microsoft too too long to bring needed features.  Something they still are trying to catch up today.  Windows 8.1 denium was the first time it became a acceptable option to me bacause cortant.  And wow gestures awas a huge bonus we USED TO HAVE AND dont now in windows 10. If microsoft put cortana in 2 years before i know id have moved over then.  Microsoft needs to give people all the same options other phones have and more.  They are not gona catch up in the app race for a long time.  Soz but there is a app gap and its still there, im ok mostly with apps but  id like my baniong app , flick nfl, my sp app, my kodi remote(a proper working one) Netflix casting, and alot more game choice.  I dont have these things, at some stage im gona have enough and move back to iphone.  I hope i dont have too but well therews things even to this day that dont work right.  Even windows 10 desktop, if someone skypes me my pc doesnt ring unless i have the app on my desktop, theres no option to have it runing in the background.  Theres no options in skype on desktop to change or move things around.  Thats in their desktop and thats suposidly ready so im very worried about the phones future.  Again hope i can last the distance but ive been on windows phone 1 year and already im thinking ahead, thats not a great sign.
  • And the Me tile! Bring back the Me tile MS!!!!!!
  • I like the new UI just fine. While hamburger wouldnt be my choice, sheep are stupid and look for the mainstream symbols for guidance. It could have been implemented differently, but honestly, I can see why many users find the side scrolling confusing (I myself found them ugly, text hanging off screen). Sink or swim.
  • I would stay on the fast and awesome 8.0 if I could install apps on SD.. Oh no resuming screen I remember those days
  • I haven't seen a resuming or loading screen on Windows 10 Mobile at all for the past two builds.
  • me neither :) and also recently noticed that Groove finally really has gapless playback
  • That's funny because I've benn a whole lot of it on my 640
  • Funny. The 640 is the very phone I have and I have never seen a single loading or resuming screen since I installed Windows 10 Mobile. Of course, I hard rest my phone after the install like any smart person.  I can open up 7 apps and sit there and switch between them with no resuming or loading.  Ther's no resuming when I unlock my screen with an app open like there was on WP8.1.  Windows 10 Mobile is LOADS better than 8.1, both performance wise, and feature wise.
  • YEH TRUE.  mY 8.1 930 WAS AWSOME I THOUGHT  no way can they get anything faster cause it was super fast, but windows mobile 10 certainly feels faster, ive yet to see a load screen in my last build but i did have to do a instaLL FROM 8.1 AND NOT USE MY ONEDRIVE IMAGE WHICH KINDA SUCKS LOADS WHERE PHONE RESTORE COMES.  hELL WINDOWS 8.1 AS MUCH AS I LOVED IT THEY NEVER SEEMED TO RESTORE MY PHONE WITHOUT SOME CRASHING OR SOME PROBLEM THAT FORCED ME TO RESTART FRESH, LOOKS LIKE ITS A TRAITE WINDOWS 10 IS DOING TOO.
  • * tears of laughter* reading that you'd rather 8.1 than 10
  • Same feelings here mate. WP 8.1 was bold
  • Would love to see how windows rt looks on my new 950XL
  • Idea is amazing
  • Quick question on this. Does this simply unlock the hardware to loading an OS, it have they cracked the OS itself? I still have dreams of running W10 in my Samsung Focus
  • Not sure it can go that far, but it certainly opens the door for such attempts.
  • That woukf be awesome to load WP8.1 on my LG Quantum. The keyboard!!!!!!!!!
  • The hack disables SecureBoot in the hardware which is what stops the phones running anything other than code signed by Microsoft. Once that constraint is removed the hardware will run any code. You could load Linux onto a Lumia. Or in this case RT. RT can run because it already targets ARM cpus. But he had to modify the kernel to not check for various things like a secure environment. Typically you cannot change the kernel because changing it breaks the signing enforced by SecureBoot. Now you can change or run anything really.
  • Wish they could hack windows phone to run android or dual os Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Someone could build an Android build for Lumia now if they wanted. Not sure why since the only unique thing about Lumia is Windows. Suspect someone will just to show you can.
  • Yes, but Windows Mobile has a very uncertain future. If I KNOW that Android is an option, then I'm much less hesitant on buying me hardware for it.
  • The 950 would be a better android flagship than what is currently offered
  • That's going to be an awesome phone Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Personally I like my already awesome phone!
  • Not with android on it.
  • If you said ios id understand but android? Really?
  • He's got it backwards. He needs to be putting Windows 10 Mobile onto the RT tablets!
  • Exactly!
  • Yeah, but the bootloader of wp8.1/w10 devices has been unlocked. Not of winRT.
  • ^^^^^^ This!
  •   We don't need Windows 10 Mobile on RT tablets. We need Windows 10 RT! With full Office 2016 and Xbox games support. One can dream...
  • With continuum on the flagship phones maybe Windows 10 mobile can provide that 10 RT variant?
  • If apps can scale to the screen, then mobile versions of Office and other apps built into W10M can scale to fit the screen of an RT tablet, like in Continuum.
  • That would be nice. Mine is useless as is. Just watching Netflix on it now.
  • Well at least well have better multitasking eg. ASX serverside based audio streaming
  • Awesome!!!!
  • I'll be more impressed if someone can get Windows 10 Mobile running on a Windows RT tablet.
  • ^this
  • ^this.
  • This!!!!!!
  • I know it's off topic, but I would be even more impressed, if Microsoft would give us back the free storage that they are about to take away from us!  Yes, I know I should get over it and move on, but if Apple or Google gave 15 gb. or whatever amount free of cloud storage, and after a couple of years take it away from customers, giving some BS reason, people would be rioting, but with MS doing that, people are already over it? My apologies for being off topic, and my apologies for being still angry about that, and not being able to move on like the rest of the world already has.      
  • It is off topic
  • Even I haven't moved on. It's one thing to limit the free storage for new users. But taking away some free storage(used storage) from existing users is pure evil.
  • yes i totally agree.  Microsoft screwed over every loyal windows mobile user and windows 8 user.  I payed 500 pounds for my 930 and windows 8 and got 30gig storage.  they are removing that and leaving me with 5gig  Microsoft think 5 gig is a acceptable amoundt of storage when you spend a small fortune on their devices.  So yeh this stoped me buying any onedrive space, and i was weeks away from doing just that.  I know a few people already leaving onedrive.   And no i dont think you should get over it.  When they blame some people abusing a unlimited service with no capo and then slap every one including people that are caped and have nothing to do with that service then yeh its something no one should forget.  It reminds me of the reason why i bouhgt my ps4 and sold my 360.
  • Not going to happen anytime soon, or well ever. It is a hardware limitation.
  • RPi2 with VideoCore GPU can run the W10 IoT. RT has all the ingredients, Quad-core CPU, 2GB ram. nVidia drivers should be ported to W10M. I would guess it is "we are not pouring any money or resources to that old technology" limitation. Nokia 2520 with SD800 could be easier, but it's hard to see Nokia jump on W10(M) wagon just for upgrade :)
  • Its a "we give a f***in crap about our customers" limitation. And soon, we see "no license to run that stuff, so don't do it" limitations.
  • According to microsoft it was a few users that abused the unlimited uncaped service.  You know if they casmre out and said sorry we got it wrong and i think i may have been more forgiving but they blamed users and took no responsibility themselves, that is a hard pill to swallow for alot of microsoft fan boys like me.  I love windows devices and products, i really do i just dont like or trust microsoft after this.   Even worst, my iphone firiends who all think im mad ditching iphone for windows phones all got their icloud storage doubled for free and microsoft went the oposite way chargeing the same price for half less.  It kinda shows you why microsoft dont sell more xboxs or phones.  Its really not looking good.
  • And yet Office 365 is still a better deal for storage than iCloud. 
  • That would be an awesome event, if they got Windows 10 for Mobile to open and run on Surface RT, it would have a full version of Office then.  This would again toss egg on Microsoft's face, even though they learned from the last major hack like this with the HD2.  I do think Microsoft would come down hard on things like this if it starts to become a trend
  • I doubt it Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Windows 10 mobile on a Galaxy Note 5.......with pen support.......yes please
  • It won't be good until MS releases the Surface Phone with features for using pen. Then the develeopers can take that version with pen support and create a ROM for Note. Otherwise they will have to maybe add those features themselves to the OS because the present version of Win10M doesn't have any features to work with a pen. Posted via the Lenovo K900
  • This is something worth to follow in XDA Developers website
  • This is what makes WP interesting. Root, hacks, etc.. :)
  • Windows Rt is bigger flop than Windows Vista
  • It's all up to the user of an RT device whether it's a flop or win. To me personally. No. A great stopgap until Intel was ready. So it definitely serves/served it's purpose.
  • This^
    RT definitely put pressure on intel to move fast on the baytrail.
    I suspect a lot of RT code survives in WM 10 anyways.
  • Don't kid yourself, it was the sea of android ARM tablets and the ipad that pushed Intel to launch chips like baytrail, not RT that was on only 2 devices.
  • I still say it was also RT
    If Intel's biggest software partner was jumping on the ARM bandwagon, it was a clear sign that ARM was a very legit threat. Imagine full windows compiled for ARM...
  • RT technically was full windows compiled for ARM. It just had a whitelist to prevent non-Microsoft approved desktop software from running. Windows RT can't run "full desktop apps" not because of the operating system, but because of the apps themselves; The software is compiled for x86 based processors, so any attempts to run on ANY alternate architecture, ARM or otherwise, will not work. You'd result in the same error as when you try to run 64-bit software on a 32-bit version of Windows.
  • Right. Windows RT = full Windows for ARM. So technically any Win32 dekstop app would run provided it is compiled for ARM. Regarding the whitelist, it is actually a signature check by the loader. The original Windows 8.0 RT "unlock" consistet of bypassing the signature check. The Windows 8.1 RT "unlock" consists of putting Windows into test-signing-mode, where the loader accepts self-signed executables.
  • It still has a ways to go before its feature complete to that extent which is sad considering how trapped we were & still are into using services like groove instead of having freedom to choose what we want via software like wmp
  • I still use my RT a lot, I didn't need a device to completely replace my laptop at the time but it still gave so so so much more than an iPad that I did need and for a lot less. And it still does everything I need unlike a 3yr old iPad. If we could get Windows 10 Mobile running on my original RT with continuum mode enabled it would be givena new lease of life. Awesome.
  • Windows 10 is a bigger flop!!!
  • DON'T YOU DARE BADMOUTH ELOP!!!! /s
  • You don't remember Vista. RT died because of a lack of app support. Vista was the nightmare that kept IT managers awake at night both literally and figuratively. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Why?
  • A new Cyanogen windows 10 mod for Lumia!! That's going to be great!
  • Uh.. How does that work exactly?
  • From one OS with apps problem to another OS with an even bigger apps problem, lol. jk, jk..no need for pitchforks.
  • While it serves no practical purpose to run RT on a phone. I love stuff like this. I wish I could convert my OG Surface to W10M.
  • Thats what happens when they dont restrict what cpu arch. their OEMs are allowed to use. The OEMs who chose snapdragon were smart since NVIDIA gave up on 3rd party use of tega
  • This is amazing
  • Win10 mobile on a Lumia 2520!!!! It would be a dream.
  • If it could run Windows 10 apps, I would prefer it over Windows 10.
  • Split screen multitasking on a Lumia 1520?
  • Cool now hack W10 Mobile onto old RT devices like MS was supposed to do
  • Their were only a small amount of vendors that chose snapdragon so at this point tablets like surface are better off using aosp/googleplay or cyanogenmod at this point
  • Why would you want to replace a full desktop OS with a restricted mobile OS? I mean you immediatly loose all the cool stuff like Win32 support, multi-user support, driver support, scripting support, file-system support, network sharing support etc.
  • Win32 wasn't there, but I with you on this. 3 columns of tiles on 10" screen without all goodies you mentioned. We should call that iWinRT.
  • I wonder where people get the idea from that Win32 was not there? As a faithful compile of Windows 8 for ARM, of course it contains the Win32 subsystem in addition to .Net/CLI, COM libraries like DirectX9 etc. People could compile Win32 Apps and link them against the Windows RT Win32 runtime just fine.
  • Because you don't know what you're talking about.
    The limitations on W10M for phones are "artificial".
    With a few modifications I'm sure all that can be added in seeing as w10 and w10m are very similar.
    The entire point of w10 was to finally merge RT and WP as one OS.
  • *Cough* Limitations are not artificial. Win32 is almost completely missing from w10m. .Net/CLI is also missing in large parts. They are however part of Windows RT. There is a reason Windows RT can run desktop apps and w10m cannot.
  • Is it really though? The Office applications on WRT were essentially the x86 versions ported to run on ARM. Is there a source for this info? ​ Because that is really disappointing if true.
  • But will it run on HD2?
  • Everything runs on the hd2.
  • Depends. Can the HD2 run Crysis?
  • Yes.....from YouTube.
  • Man, people will complain about anything if you let them.
  • Sad, but true! Reading this comments takes me back to Maternity, where there were a lot o crying babys with very few chanches to please them.
  • I hope this also means my old Surface RT running Windows 10 Mobile !!
  • Nope its a tegra device so it can run Android/aosp, cyanogenmod
  • If someone can port the tegra drivers than I don't see any issues.
  • The Lumia 950 runs what I consider to be the successor to Windows RT: Continuum.
  • Not without a usable browser
  • Not really. You are still sitting on mobile OS compared to desktop OS like Windows RT. As example you are completely missing Win32 with multi-window support and true multi-tasking.
  • It can multitask perfectly.
  • Not really. Anything running in the WinRT sandbox will be supended when pushed to background. Exeception are special backgound tasks. Within the Win32 environent (and that includes Windows RT) any thread continues running in the background.
  • Snapping two apps side by side on a Luma 520 running Windows RT would be awesome.
  • If you can basically install any os on the device.... Why not Android ?
  • Eeuuww.
  • Lol
  • I like Android but could you imagine what a nightmare that would be? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Because the phone already lags as it is
  • Because android is not that awesome as people make it seem to be.
  • What is the point? There are literally thousands if not milions of android devices! I find this android madness rather overated and stupid.
  • Anyone read any news on updates for more phone compatibility?
  • I  was very sad thar Microsoft did not take the time  to upgrade windows 7.5 smart phones to windows 8 smart phones' I always felt someone other than Microsoft  would find a way to do this. After all did the chipsets in windows 7 smart phones differ that much from Windows 8 capable smart phones. if the answer is no the drivers in the windows 8 smart phones OS will  operate the Windows 7 smart phones chipsets and maybe some old windows 7 smart phones can be updated to run windows 8 or 8.1. the same is the case for RT tablets perhaps a thurd party will do what Microsoft wont and that is changeWindows RT to run Windows 10 mobile. after all Windows RT tablets use ARMS CPU'S and their chipsets just like Windows smart phones do if the drivers of Windows 10 mobile are compatable it will run on a n RT tablet
  • Its because of how the os was designed. It required a code to be saved into the the handsets permanent area of the FW from what I read a few years ago that why all handsets shipped with a product key for wp7.x
  • It also would have required every OEM to go back and write updated drivers for devices they didn't even make anymore, because the driver model was completely different in Windows 8 vs. Windows CE. Microsoft didn't want to piss of the few partners they had by being up-front about that, so they took the heat for it instead.
  • Stupid hacks. Useless hacks maybe.
  • Still wayy better than stupid useless comments
  • RT users would be happy otherwise, they would be better off if it could run windows phone version at least. I don't know why someone would try putting RT on something. People have a lot spare time ! I am jealous !
  • Its because lets face it with the way wp has gone(devices like this dont have hope to be updated) were better off running rt because of its feature set being where wm10 will be in about 2 & a half years time. Edge is a waste of time as it hasn't gained traction by developers
  • You are beeing optimistic. WIndows Mobile will not be close to Windows RT feature wise in 2 years time. Do you expect they are going to add Win32 support to Windows Mobile within 2 years time? Do you expect they are going to add file and printer services to Windows Mobile within 2 years time? Do you expect they are going to add scripting (e.g. PowerShell) to Windows Mobile within 2 years time? Multi-user support? True multi-tasking (e.g. apps keep running in background)?
  • There is no win32 support on the rt either so i don't see that as a valid point.
  • Windows RT contains a complete and fully functional Win32 subsytem. You can compile desktop apps for Windows RT with literally a press of a button (assuming you have the sources) This is not possible with Windows Mobile, as the Win32 subsytem is just not there. There is also no .Net framwork on Windows Mobile, the only thing you have is WinRT. Tried to run a .Net/CLI app on Windows Mobile? It would run under Windows RT desktop though.
  • Windows 10 Mobile does actually have built-in printing support for quite a few printers out there. Check it out.
  • I am not talking about printer drivers but about the associated network services - like sharing you printer over the network.
  • from were do they get these ROM, where to download them.
  • I could assume they reverse engineered the restore image they provided for users who got bricked from w8.1
  • Lets hope this isn't a repeat of WP7 chevron or w.e it was called. Where its hard to use and then dropped almost immediately. We need something that will be improved over time. I'd donate if that's what it takes. This will bring alot of interest. So many ppl I ask why they use droid and most say bcoz they can hack it. So ya.
  • Windows 10 is
    The best!!
  • This could only be done with covert help from MSFT, creating interest in Lumia from hackers
  • Does anybody know whether windows rt can be installed on my i7 running laptop. I've been looking for the anewer for about a year.
  • Is it possible to install rt on my i7 laptop?
  • If it can be installed on a phone then I'm sure the Core i7 laptop will have no problem running it. Only problem is that your laptop should have touchscreen because I think RT is an OS made for touchscreen devices. Posted via the Lenovo K900
  • the laptop is i7 with touh screen :) i also surface 2 running windows rt 8.1 any idea on how i can transfe the the os from the surface 2 to the laptop ? really appreciated :)
  • So basically you want Windows 8.1 with a different start menu and without the ability to install native apps. Oh, and also no Windows Media Player, which already knows how to stream media from a DLNA server (a thing groove forgot how to do)
  • thats exactly what i want :) any idea on how it can be done, i both have a laptop and a surface rt :)
  • Err. Windows RT = Windows for ARM. Windows = Windows for x86. So essentially the same OS for different CPU architectures. With this in mind you are already running Windows (RT) on your i7.
  • but what im saying is that i need the rt (which doesnt suppport exe. apps) onto my laptop. any idea on wether its possible, i have a laptop and a surface rt
  • Why would you want windows rt on a i7 system?
  • being a med school student i take ALOT of notes and i mean ALOTTTTT. my laptop takes for ever turning on, the surface is really fast and has been so for almost the 2 years i have had it. i just wish my laptop could be the same :) thats why
  • Why not just use standby? You shouldn't have to shut down completely. I have been doing it for years. Cuts a lot of time from the boot process. Reboot only for updates and occasionally to "freshen" up.
  • Windows-Feedback:?contextid=117&feedbackid=d5b36cd0-0e46-4d0d-9f1e-761e0a8b30e9&form=1&src=2 (You have to use Edge or IE and copy that into your address bar) Is this what you want? Please tell me your opinion.. Please share it if you can! Thanks!
  • No one saw this coming....
  • What we need is the new windows 10 store on windows rt devices like S1 and S2. The phones can run the apps from this store and they use arm processors. There's no reason windows rt devices can't run the universal apps that also run on arm.
  • That was supposed to happen, but it won't. The only reason is: MS don't care!
  • Well no, you'll lose a lot of functionality from Windows RT, like the desktop and full Office
  • Amazing. I can't wait for future roms and the endless possibilities Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Creating ROMS will open the door to android developers to bring Windows 10 Mobile in their Android Phones too.
  • What good use that? We need to get windows 10 mobile to RT devices, not the other way around. Smh
  • 3 columns of tiles on 10" screen. You can't be serious?
  • Lol you know with custom roms they can even add more rows and options no valid point.
  • If by "they" you mean "custom rom gods", we should pray for full win10 without win32 support. Or why stop there, let's pray for built in win32 and XBOX VMs so we can play both, Doom4 and Halo on Lumia 520. I hope 512MB is enough.
  • Thats remarkable. It is essentially the first full Desktop OS on a Smartphone.
  • I think I had ubuntu on my HD2, could be wrong though.
  • Also someone put Windows 7 on an Asus Zenphone 2.  
  • Was not aware of this. Thanks.
  • All we want is apps...both in QUALITY and quantity.
    Big stress on quality because most of the highly rated apps in android are really pathetic in windows os.All I hear is those restrictions in windows phone os.I hope that will be changed in windows 10.
  • This is a step towards the future of windows phone
  • Hmmm. Why do I feel so disappointed. No longer the unbreakable OS. And... Someone's bound to misread and overreact to my comment.
  • It's not the OS that is broken. It's the bootloader.
  • I want android running on one of the windows flagship phones!
  • I hope some really cool stuff comes out now for windows phone.
  • Perhaps on a 1520
  • I'm running Windows 10 TP Mobile on a Lumia 520. Why would you want RT when you can have so much more in the upcoming release?
  •   Cool. Looking forward to see what ideas people come up with.
  • OK and what's the purpose for this...NOT A FUCKING THING!
  • Yes that would be it
  • Will this mean android on my lumia 640?