More than half of all active Windows Phones could update to Windows 10 Mobile

New data from AdDuplex has shed some light on the current and future state of Windows 10 Mobile amongst current owners of Windows Phone hardware.

Also, new data sheds light on the Lumia 640's growth, and we compare upgrade-distribution rates between Windows Phone, iOS, and Android.

Who gets Windows 10 Mobile?

The March numbers reveal that 15.2 percent of all existing Windows Phone that are capable of running Windows 10 Mobile already are on the OS. Another 35.2 percent are capable of upgrading to the new mobile OS launched this month, at least, in theory assuming little carrier interference and regional delays. That brings the total number of Windows 10 Mobile devices - in theory - up to 50.4 percent of active phones.

Doing math leaves 49.6 percent of all Windows Phones in use as not being capable of running Windows 10 Mobile. Many of those phones are ones with 512MB of RAM or older Qualcomm S4 chipsets, which, according to Microsoft were cut from upgrade eligibility due to negative Insider feedback.

See the full list of eligible Windows 10 Mobile devices here.

Microsoft has said there is no 'wave 2' of device upgrades coming, however, there is some reconsideration for phones like the Verizon Lumia Icon, which has a dedicated following.

HTC is passing on upgrading the One M8 to Windows 10 Mobile due to a small install base and the costs of paying carriers to test the update (versus any return benefit). Perhaps that is of no surprise as the company is struggling financially amongst fierce competition in the Android space.

Good or bad?

Is that 50 percent number for Windows 10 Mobile upgrades good or bad? Considering that the update is not hitting all of those devices just yet and things like carriers, regional availability, OEM support, and more come into play, the number is likely lower.

Looking at current Android stats and just 2.3 percent of their install base is on Android 6.0 (Marshmallow) with 36 percent on Android 5.0/5.1 aka Lollipop (which was released in late 2014).

Around 34 percent of Android users are still on KitKat, which came out in early 2013, but mostly in 2014.

You can see what our sister site, Android Central, thinks about the Windows 10 Mobile upgrade by reading 'Microsoft can teach Android makers a thing or two about updates'.

Apple, on the other hand, has a more elegant story to tell with 79 percent{.nofollow} of all active iPhones and iPads on iOS 9 as of this month.

Once again, Windows Phone falls in between Apple, who always sets the bar and Android, who tends to lower it. However, none of that will make your pleased if your phone is in the ineligible bunch for Windows 10 Mobile.

Windows 10 Mobile share is up again

In related news, AdDuplex also noted that Windows 10 Mobile accounts for 7.7 percent of the Windows Phone OS market and beating Windows Phone 8.0 at 7.4% and Windows Phone 7.x at 3.9 percent. That's a 2.4 percent bump for Windows 10 Mobile since the last numbers.

There is still an uphill battle, however, as Windows Phone 8.1 makes up a massive 81.1 percent of the OS version on all Windows Phones. A mix of in-situ upgrades to current hardware and new Windows 10 Mobile hardware will be needed to overthrow Windows Phone 8.1.

Lumia 640 rising and Lumia 520 going to second place?

Finally, the Lumia 640, which is Windows 10 Mobile upgradable, is still one of the fastest growing phones with a global 0.9 percent rise amongst all Windows Phone devices. The Lumia 640 now accounts for 7.3 percent globally and is slowly catching up to the Lumia 520 (12.1%), Lumia 535 (12.0%) and Lumia 630 (8.8%).

AdDuplex suggests this may be the last month with the Lumia 520 as the top Windows Phone as it lost 0.5 percent share.

Unfortunately, new OEMs are yet to gain any share from Microsoft's Lumia devices as their share has actually increased by 0.34 percent. That means 97.21 percent of all Windows Phones are still NOKIA/Microsoft. BLU is not seeing much luck with just an infinitesimal 0.01% gain while HTC, Samsung, Huawei and 'Other' are all down slightly.

About AdDuplex

The numbers from AdDuplex are collected through their in-app advertising that is prevalent in over 5,000 apps in the Windows Phone Store. That data serve as an important metric within the Windows Phone ecosystem. The full AdDuplex report for March will be posted on their blog at on Thursday (March 24th)

Daniel Rubino

Daniel Rubino is the Editor-in-chief of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft since 2007 when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, laptops, next-gen computing, and for some reason, watches. Before all this tech stuff, he worked on a Ph.D. in linguistics, watched people sleep (for medical purposes!), and ran the projectors at movie theaters because it was fun.

  • "Why didn't my phone get wm10?" comments in 3,2,1....
  • ...<cue chirping crickets audio>
  • Sent from my Lumia 830, crawling along with the '.64 build of Windows 10 Mobile
  • [Cue tumbleweed] Sent from my Lumia 830, crawling along with the '.64 build of Windows 10 Mobile
  • My Lumia 830 is running perfectly on 10586.164
  • Responding thru actionable notification right now
  • Well remarkably mine seems to be working great now. All that all that I did were a few restarts. Fingers crossed it stays as good as this! The windows central beta app hasn't crashed yet! Sent from my Lumia 830, crawling along with the '.64 build of Windows 10 Mobile
  • In highly related news, Hip-Hop icon Phife Dawg has died.... The entire WC community reacts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  • Who?
  • You know who. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  • Thats sad :(, never even heard of him tho. 
  • You Cray cray
  • He was the Phifer from A Tribe Called Quest. Had their albums on vinyl back in the day, and I'm a white Australian.
  • Exactly! Nice, John!
  • Rodneyej this news is strange to bring up in comments, but I like it better than your normal comments.
  • Anyone who says they don't like my comments... It's obvious they are in denial, and can't stand to hear the truth... Oh, well. Can't please everyone, and to anyone that is seriously bothered enough by someone's comments here, I can't help, nor am concerned, with helping them with their emotional problems.... Regardless, thanks for telling me what you don't like... I don't like eggs, beets, and lima beans.. Ewwwwwwwwwww, nasty! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  • Your screen doesn't flicker? Sent from my Windows Mobile phone.
  • It does but I got used to it now. It appears to have stopped working so well now. I spoke too soon... Sent from my Lumia 830, working good for once with the '.164 build of Windows 10 Mobile
  • It does but I got used to it now. It appears to have stopped working so well now. I spoke too soon... Sent from my Lumia 830, working good for once with the '.164 build of Windows 10 Mobile
  • I love the flickering. It induces seizures, and I've never had a seizure until the W10M update. It's really opening up a new frontier of brain function to me.
  • The sarcasm is strong with this one... Sent from my Lumia 830, working good for once with the '.164 build of Windows 10 Mobile
  • Why?
  • 1.7%... Wow
  • Kamikaze!!!!! :)
  • Older phones have got the update. Its just not supported/recommended by Microsoft.
  • why does anyone still use a Windows phone device though ?
  • Personal preference? I have a brand spanking new Galaxy S7 on AT&T and iPhone 6s and 6s Plus. I prefer my Lumia 950 and use it on my main line. Weird? Not really. Lemme ask you this: why do you have a green filter for your avatar photo? Why bother?
  • Haha,
  • I think he ws thinking Green + Human = The Hulk. In reality it looks like somebody puked over the photo before smearing it with vaseline.
  • He looks like he's in The Matrix, but forgot his overcoat.
  • I actually puked over the mirror before snapping the picture, family tradition.
  • It was a rhetorical question ;) I just meant to point out that we use things because we like them. Not much else to say on the matter.
  • I understood your point and  in fact I use and like Windows 10 Mobile I just forgot to add the digit "7" that's all :P
  • That makes more sense. Otherwise it would be strange of you to be on a winfan site trying to bash it lol
  • Yeah because no one here does that... :)
  • Curious... purely hardware-wise, what do you think is the best out there? If Samsung put W10M on the GS7/Edge, would that become your daily driver? #AskDan, if that's still a thing :)
  • IMO i want w10M motorolla nexus 6.
  • Even better, a WM M10, or S7, or Droid Turbo2! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  • The S7 beats the crap out of the 950. Daniel, of course, as Editor-in-chief of a Microsoft fan site, will never admit that. But the fact is that it does.
    And yes, if Samsung were stupid to waste money on putting WP10 on the S7, WP fans would be flocking to it because it's one hell of a phone. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • He never said it didn't. He just said that's what he prefers.. The S7 also beats the living dog **** out of my 1520, but it doesn't run this annoying ass, buggy, slow, mixed up WM10 that I love, so you don't see me using one... It's not always about what's more powerful... Here in America the Mazda Miata is the most raced car on any given Sunday.... That's the point. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  • I was answering the question "Curious... purely hardware-wise, what do you think is the best out there?" Rod...
  • I see... I'm not really a good judge of what's best right now. It's been a long time since I got my hands on some new devices.. IDK. Build quality? I'd have to say the iPhone for fit, and finish. It's immaculate... I haven't seen the S7, but if it's anything like the note then it's really good.. I think we'd have to wait for Sony, Motorola, and HTC to really gauge what's hot for 16... The Surface Phone, and iPhone 7 are just to far out. Might as well save that battle for 17... Nevertheless, I think that I might be a more reasonable judge of quality, performance, and design, than most.. Because, I am biased, but I don't let my biases stand in the way of logical assessment.. That's hard to find anywhere.. I wasn't very impressed with the 950, but it appears to be at least at a reasonably level of quality.... Personally, with no apps it's no better than my 1520, so I'm not rushing out to get a new device.. This is the main reason I need MS to come to the table with something special for the Surface Phone.. It's still gonna be lacking apps, so there better be a very strong selling point for me, and one of those is a larger screen option that the 950/XL doesn't have... I'm also interested in this new HP device. Nevertheless, I have to have a second device soon because I need specific apps.
  • Of course S7 is better, it is different hardware, 950 is already 5 months old, nearly a half year. That comparing crap is boring, cause only mainstream chasers care about it.
  • Nah, it doesn't. Pure fanboy comment on your behalf. Posted from Windows Central for XL
  • Well, calling ME a Samsung fanboy. That's precious...
  • I would say so, yes. Posted from Windows Central for XL
  • He never said it was better or not, He just said he perfered it. And I know exactly how he feels. I could have a brand new S7 or 6S company paid right now. But I just handed them back after two weeks. I like to keep dreaming microsoft will at some time get it's act together.
  • That's exactly what I said.. Copy cat. Lol
  • Keep dreamin.....
  • How I would use continuum with s7? Then my @XL beats the crap out of s7
  • Oh calm down DJCBS, you don't have to constantly insult users on this site. Daniel seems willing to admit when something is better, so maybe hold on claiming wild blind bias. As for the question, the S7 is definitely better in almost all areas hardware wise. The 950XL still has the advantage camera wise and a user replaceable back/battery, but the S7 has a better cpu/gpu, fingerprint reader, more ram, water resistant, etc. Considering your comparing a 5 month old phone in the 950 to the S7, that isn't unusual. If you want a better comparison, look at the HP Elite X3 compared to the S7. Samsung might not have to waste much money putting Win10 on an S7 if MS' rom program is successful. It would be a nice option.
  • I have an S7 for work and I think it sucks, particularly the OS. I much prefer my nearly 3-year-old Lumia 928 running WP8.1 instead.
  • S7 is better than 950 hardware wise, that's a fact, Daniel won't have to admit anything, you are creating the discussion all by yourself :D
  • Well, at least give I'm a real answer.... For me? Hope. Lol. We have faith, we hope, we are enthusiastic, we pray, we wonder, we have imagination, and dreams.... "Windows Mobile Fans Dare To Dream"
    It's what separates us from the rest.. Come! Come join us☺
  • you have the option to change statment and clarify that you meant, why windows phone, when W10M is available. 
  • Actually my comment was supposed to be "why does anyone still use a Windows Phone 7" But I missed the 7 and that happened, so yes I get this personal prefrence thing. I own a Nokia Lumia 925 running W10M and if I buy a new device in the next few months it'll be a Windows 10 device.
  • Dude, that's why you gotta keep the old app around! So that you can edit your comments!... LMFAO! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  • I have no idea what old app you're talking about. and the Windows Central UWP won't let me log in. The bright side is I trolled so many people and it wasn't even on purpose. lol
  • The 8.1 app. I would say that's the old, or I guess current, app right now........................ Edit your comment!
  • even if I could get that app on W10M I wouldn't go through the trouble of downloading it, makes no difference anyway. it's midnight here and I need to sleep.
  • Touché ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  • First, probably someone using a Wp7 device doesn't know he is using an outdated device... For him "it's a windows phone" or it's just a phone(don't know the os). Second, if you ask him this question, he will say... "Why? This phone is working... Why I need to change?"  Just because we have this "need" to have new things, doesn't mean that everyone have... For some people a phone that make calls, send sms/emails/whatsapp is more than ok.
  • +920/25/1320/830/735/640/35/521/20 Posted via the Windows Central App for Android! (Nexus 5x)
  • No 1020??... SMDH
  • Also no Lumia 620 right there :/
  • Lumia 35, 25 and 20? :o
  • I still have my HTC Radar 4G Windows Phone 7.X.  It's great!  My photo's uses the panaramic veiw.  Lovely!  My Zune Music is the best, because it's not an APP!  It's baked into the OS and I can open multiple instances of the Music albums at the same time.  Plus it provides the album year!  Superb!  I still use Rooms!  I Still use Groups that provides quick information about friend and family at a glance!  Awesome!  I could go on, but why some people forget how great Windows 7 was and is!  The new Windows 10 has some new features sure, but it sure lacks the presence and solid feel that WP 7.X ever provided!  So to your question "why does anyone still use a Windows Phone 7" those are my reasons!
  • I concur. Each year Microsoft added new functionality for Windows Phone but each year the user experience went downhill. Windows Phone 7 is a well thought out OS and shame on Microsoft for dumbing down the OS to sway over Android users.
  • I have always been able to capture photo subjects in one photo. I use Spotify for music on my phone, has like 30m songs available instead of just what I own. Has artist bios and everything in addition to album year, I hear Deezer is good but I don't have a subscription to anything. I use Groupme for group chats, and I have Facebook groups and contact groups in People. I'm sure Windows 7 was great, but I think the current functionality is too, and we can take advantage of all the new features too.
  • @Jeddic I think you mis-understood what I meant by paranamic view.  But if you used WP7 you would know exactly what I was talking about.  But here's another nugget about the Photo Hub it actually shows the current posted photos from friends in FB.  Hey Zune/Xbox Music/Groove has over 32M songs too.  But with every iteration of WP Microsofts removes great features only to replace them with "beta" stuff.  I know Windows 10 will never be complete because its all evolving, but it's just one huge "BETA" test.
  • Well i still got a Lumia 510 lying around that's occasionally used to keep it alive.. Wanna see how long it survives in 3 months it turns 4yr old :)
  • When I saw your comment clarifying that you meant Windows phone 7 this made more sense. Probably the same reason people still use a 520, it still works for them so they won't replace it.
  • My legendary 520 deserves W10 mobile! -_- That's the most popular lumia dear MS :S :S 
  • It's almost 3 years old. The hardware is as old as basics. If you want W10M up and running, you should think about upgrading to a new W10M capable phone with decent specs. If you want to switch, you can always choose a droid. You can choose Insider previews though, if you want to stay for some time.
  • Jump to insider
  • I am actually now on insider! But it's not really a good experience at all. I am concerned because as a Windows Phone dev i have to choose between UWP and classic WP 8.1 development. 521mb ram based device is still own a pretty big portion specially in my country. So keep developing apps for WP8.1 will be a painful part for me. I know supporting old devices isn't easy and an additional burden for MS but still OS updates are always cool to remove fragmentation! 
  • Sooooooooo, your Lumia 520 is running Windows 10 Mobile and you said that it is not really a good experience at say your 520 deserves Windows 10 Mobile.... Hmmmmmm.... Microsoft made the right decision to not make the update available as people would have upgraded their devices due to the sheer awesomeness of W10M and then they would have been utterly disappointed by it not being a really good experience at all, just as you said. Microsoft knows that the general consumer does not want a bad experience and that the general consumer will not connect their phone to a pc, download WDRT and roll back to WP8.1. It's funny how we know some things are not good for us yet we still want them and some people get mad at pappa Microsoft for just trying to look out for the best collective interest of the user base. Looking out for the customer sometimes means not doing what is wanted but rather doing what is needed.
  • The Insider Preview versions use Telemetry and are continuosly collecting data, which may obviously slow down the OS. They could have well optimised the OS for 512MB phones!
  • The OS upgrade people need, but not the one they want.
  • @ssakash, if you are worried as an app developer that your customers will not get your app, if you go the UWP route and want to still do WP version as well, you will eventually have to build the app for UWP a year down the road once majority of them convert to W10 on mobile an desktop. Or, you could build both apps now, one for new customers on UWP and one for old customers on legacy WP OS. In either case, the decision is yours, whether to build for both platforms, or just cut your losses and build only UWP. 
    I'm not sure anyone here is qualified to answer this for you as it is your decision based upon your business plan for your app. I'd probably take into accnt the delay in building, testing, rollout of your legacy app - by the time you do that, there may not be enough customers justify your return on investment. I'm not a dev, but if I was, I'd probably focus on the new platform, not on the one which is being sunset. Just my 2 cents.
  • Well the plan is to stick with wp 8.1 development for now as 8.1 apps are also supported in w10 mobile. After the completion of this OS transition i will move to UWP fully.
  • Really, why don't some little understands that there are system requirements associate with most OS upgrade and some hardware don't meet those specs
  • My 520 is terrible on Cyan. I few putting it on 10.
  • I'm not sure I'd bother with Insider W10M on your L520 and would get a cheap phone with 1GB of RAM. I have 635 with 512MB and W10 on it is not only slow, but core apps are unstable, with News app being the worst in crashes. Lots of gazing at "loading" screens. Have you considered getting a cheap Lumia, whatever 1 gig model? It's absolutely worth it and W10M runs like butter on 1GB devices. At least on my 640 and 435 it does. Not sure what country you are in and what's available, but there are OEM phones coming out as well.
  • Yeah, I agree. Windows 10M has been great on my 640 and 950 in the last few months. I get the financial aspect of it, and I'm not saying just go buy a new phone this afternoon. But if you're interested in WP and involved in following it, then saving up $10-40 for a 640, 535 or 435 has to be worth the investment.
  • +520
  • So much for OEMs saving the day....
  • Well, are any of those OEM announced flagships actually out yet? Cause I don't think so.
  • Because all those OEM phones have been released, and since cancelled because "Windows sucks!" \sarcasm Let's actually wait until some OEM's release some solid Windows phones and actually get them into distribution. Although a couple OEM phones are available, there aren't many more, and most in the US are low-end. Once they start hitting carrier shelves I think we'll see the pie start changing. That said, I'm sort of interested in how Android distribution looks, with hundreds of phone models worldwide, but only a few phones that really generate profit.
  • HTC did release their flagship. Where did that go? It isn't even being upgraded and it has some of the best hardware available on WP8! It will be nearly impossible for these other phones coming out to be successful. These OEMs are not going to stick around after they flop. You didn't see an M9 for Windows, did you? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Glass is half full then, I guess
  • no half empty!
  • Nice colorful phones in the picture.
  • Hope that I'll soon get the windows 10 update on my AT&T Lumia1520
  • My 1020 took a dump so my only choice for a replacement via Asurion was the HTC One M8. Not much to say when neither of them are getting win10. Can't wait for the surface phone or another flagship to get released
  • I have the 1020 and One M8 and I am currently using the 950. The 950/XL is a great replacement to your current One M8. If you have held off this long, it may be good to save up for one of those new devices like you said. I don't regret getting a 950. It is a much better device, software wise, than it was at release in 2015 and the hardware is still fantastic.
  • I wanted the 950 or 950XL but I was holding out hope for a 1020 replacement or the surface phone. I've waited this long so waiting a little longer won't be that big of a deal. Win10 has pros and cons on the M8 but it will be good enough to get me by until the next one comes out.
  • What about that HP phone that was announced the other day ?
    It was reported to be priced similarly to a 950 Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I thought about that one but I thought it was going to he more than the 950...a lot more. That's an option though. That phones specs are crazy.
  • I'm curious at how the camera will stack up on the elite x3.
  • Camera is the weak point of the elite x3. I would definetly go for the alcatel Idol 4S instead.
  • I loaded the latest windows 10 build on a few client user phones at work and they're running smoothly without issues! Posted via Windows Central app for Windows 10!
    Proudly rocking my Lumia 1520!
  • 950 sounds great, sadly not not in my budget. I am intrigued by its camera, though. I just recently came across the Steve Alvarez's photo library and was blown away by the photos the 950 let him take. Granted, he's an industry heavy weight shooting for National Geographic, but even then, those Norway photos from his 950 were absolutely unbelievable, stock Camera app, no post processing. Taken in deep sub zero temperatures!
  • Isn't it interesting that the "Verizon Lumia Icon [...] has a dedicated following" but it's the 1020 that people keep asking about? Maybe because the 1020 is the first phone that truly has a dedicated following and this reason is just as hogwash as the ones given for why the 1020 is not getting the upgrade?
  • When you have just the 640 to buy everywhere...
    Here in Brazil, waiting for 950, XL, 550 and 650... Samsung and LG are already here with their high-ends
  • Do we know how many active WP devices are in existence? Assuming everyone who can upgrade will upgrade; I'm curious how much closer this will get MS to it's stated goal of "1 Billion Devices on Windows 10"
  • Mobile will contribute zero to that goal. And Microsoft doesn't expect it to. They aim at 1 billion devices meaning PCs, tablets, laptops and consoles. Mobile is just an afterthought. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • No, it is not or they would leave the 100 million wp-users out and not unify the platforms. Posted from Windows Central for XL
  • Active windows phones are estimated at 70 million. Let's say only half of them goes to windows 10 and they sell NO device it would mean a 3.5% of the billion is mobile. 3.5% is not zero and here is hoping they actually continue selling devices (I know that without NOKIA they won't sell any more devices, right? LOL).
  • Sales are going to be minimal going forward. It will be interesting to see if sales of W10m devices even break 1% this quarter. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Talking about the long run here, we all know that in these months sales are going to be low since they are just rebooting mobile with new OEMs and an OS that finally works good, sales should go up by the end of the year if everything works.
  • Why will sales be any different in 6 months? It doesn't sound like Microsoft is releasing any new phones this year while a brand new iPhone as well hundreds of new Androids will be released this summer/fall. These OEM phones are not going to be widely available and W10M is basically identical to WP8 but buggier. I have never heard anyone say WP8 didn't work good. There is no reason sales will increase any time in the near future, espcially if Microsoft doesn't come out with something new. W10m isn't new, it looks identical to WP!
  • I'm not sure where the 70 million estimate comes from, but it is very generous. Just a couple months ago, WP all time sales hit 100 million. Maybe another 5 million could be added to that now. Do you really think that (nearly) 70% of all WPs ever sold since its inception 5 1/2 years ago are still active? A couple months ago I found a hard number and calculated active WPs using reported percentages from that. I came up with around 45 million active WPs. I do not recall exactly what the number was, but it was something like 5 million active WPs in the US. The US reportedly had 11% of the WP pie at that point. Kind of on the same note, I always wonder why we seldom see hard numbers rather than percentages. It's the same with Android. All we see is "50% can be updated..., 2.3% of all...,". I guess it has something to do with the source of the metrics. For example, the ratio of devices hitting a certain website or downloading a certain app.
  • I wonder if we've seen our last Blu WP...
  • I hope not. I'm on the BLU Win HD LTE on Windows 10 mobile now and it is really a great phone. I've got dual sim and it took a 128gb micro SD card with no problem. I really hope they don't leave the platform.
  • Yep, I have the same phone.  At $90 on Amazon now, I'm wondering if they're not blowing out the remaining inventory.  We'll see.  I'd buy a Vivo 5 WP version in a second.
  • So would I. 
  • I had a BLU, which I might have drowned. I replaced it with a 640, and imho, the build quality and experience of the 640 were much superior. However I had the BLU Win HD, not the LTE. LTE didn't make a difference as my carrier didn't offer it at that time, but still, I really preferred the 640.
  • How's the camera on them? Any good?
    I've never even seen one in person, but saw them on Amazon as well and they were close to my impulse buy price range as dorelse stated below.
  • Camera is ok. It won't win any awards, but it gets the job done for me. It's a beautiful phone though and the build quality is excellent for the price.
  • I had the BLU Win HD. Not the LTE. But I used the 640 following a water-related accident, and the camera on the 640 is far superior. BLU Win HD photos were always blurry and out-of-focus in my experience. Not horrible, but not Lumia quality.
  • Nice to see people use windows phone. Cuz everyone loves saying "windows phone is dead". I will never switch over to IOS. Windows phone loyalist here
  • Congratulations
  • He said you're welcome! Posted via Windows Central app for Windows 10!
    Proudly rocking my Lumia 1520!
  • Technically, Windows Phone is dead. It got replaced with Windows 10, mobile version. I know I'm nitpicking here, but this blog wrote volumes on this topic. It is dead, died long ago, but W10 on mobile lives happily on and let's all hope it grows.
  • But not half of them are interested to upgrade their device.
  • Too bad there is no source for that as you just made it up.
  • It's not your fault Daniel, but windows central had some real butt holes in the forum! It just rarely seems to have positivity. It's really starting to be a detractor. Posted via Windows Central app for Windows 10!
    Proudly rocking my Lumia 1520!
  • Maybe the new ones don't seem faster?
  • Too bad its just your opinion and no source to back it up
  • He can take that "no source comment", shine it up real good, turn it sideways and back it up via Settings. Wait what????
  • Can everybody upgrade with Windows Insider program if he/she wants to? That is not clear to me. My 920 could update, so my question is especially in the direction to for example 520.
  • Everyone that has a supported device can upgrade to Windows 10 Mobile via the Windows Insider program. Devices that are not supported for the official, non insider W10M upgrade will be stuck on Windows 10 Mobile Threshold builds while supported devices move on to Windows 10 Mobile Redstone builds and beyond. As long as a device is supported and has been upgraded to a Threshold build, you can keep your device on those builds and enjoy Windows 10 Mobile as Microsoft is not going to automatically roll your device back to WP8.1. You could basically have a Lumia 520 on some version of Windows 10 Mobile forever, just like Android and iOS devices that do not have the latest version of the OS but still work according to the last version installed.
  • My worries are developers, from an analytical stand point, are likely to see a struggling os and platform, and see that 50% are not being upgraded to the latest builds. And of those 50% ,a fair number are likely to defect to another os. I feel this is not going to improve on gaining developers as they might see it as a "why bother" situation...
  • I think the biggest problem is there is not a lot of solid, quality Windows 10 Mobile mid-range phones on the market for anyone to switch to. Same if you don't like the Lumia 950/XL.
  • well when are we going to see any good midrangers?
  • Soon ™
  • Now this made me laugh, literally! :D
  • It's an old joke. and it's even less funny when you're the one stuck with an obsolete device and no options to upgrade.
  • Yeah, MS should the get a mid range model back on the market that can do continuum. My 830 is a decent mid range, but I heard they stopped producing them and it doesn't support continuum. Even Apple is joining this market segment with a model ,SE, that costs the same as my 830 on launch! I think this makes sense because unless a new 'must have' mobile feature comes out and requires specific hardware, then the mid range handles most ppl needs.
  • Continuum is heavy for daily use on XL. Can't image on 650
  • I don't care that much about continuum. I just don't want to pay for an IRIS scanner and Snapdragon 810 while I really don't need that much hardware, and don't want to buy a dirt-cheap Lumia 550, switching platforms is out of the question, so I'm stuck with my Lumia 925 which will no longer get W10M updates. I upgrade once every 2-3 years so whatever I'll get I'll be stuck with for a while.
  • What did the 830 cost at launch? I ask because the 950 is going for 449 right now, I believe, and IIRC the 830 was priced pretty high considering its specs when it launched.
  • Also no effort by Microsoft to offer upgrade plans/trade-ins for unsupported users going forward. Like, ZERO PR effort to smooth things over. Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • Don't forget there's a lot of people that uses their lumias for calls & sms only and don't care about updates, so the 7.x and 8.0 numbers should be way higher.
  • I'm confused. My HTC One M8 has used insider ever since the beginning. When I rolled back, I still received .164 OTA update. This is normal, right? Via ATT N. California.
  • You can always ask AT&T for the matter, because if you get the OTA update and is wasn't AT&T, maybe you are still on the Insider Preview.
  • Your behavior is normal. Once on 10 you get to keep it. What will be interesting to see is if you get Redstone when released or do you get orphaned on Threshold.
  • I'm willing to take the risk. Can I still get Insider on my HTC One M8 and, if so, would I join slow/fast/RTM ring in order to put myself in the best position to POSSIBLY receive future updates?
  • I'm going to conservatively guessimate that based on the information in this article (as well as this article: that there are ~60M active WP devices. Therefore, if about 50% of them can upgrade to W10, that's really only about 30M additional devices that MS is adding to it's W10 numbers with this upgrade. 
  • Guys, please stop defending the Microsoft choice immediately.
    We all thought they would have upgraded all the lumias.
  • So did they, but experiences reported by actual users taught them otherwise.
  • And that reported experience was so they could fix the issues, and we've seen no evidence they attempted to do so nor was the positive experience taken into account cos there actually was no way to give that feedback. Sounds like a cop out to me.
  • +520 This is just like if you are getting honest, you would be left behind. Also there was no method of reporting positive impact of Windows 10 Mobile using Feedback App.
  • Seriously? BLU Win JR LTE 1 GB RAM version did not even qualify for the insider program. So what feedback are we talking about here?
  • It is being offered to almost every device out there. Posted from Windows Central for XL
  • Dude, stop ignoring the fact that all OS upgrade have minimum system requirements; even some Apple devices couldn't get upgrade to iOS8 or were missing some features for to hardware limitations. Posted via Windows Central app for Windows 10!
    Proudly rocking my Lumia 1520!
  • I think ppl would be less a angry if W10 was released on weaker hardware with less features. That way these users could still run UWA, which are probably the only apps that are new, updated, or supported in near the feature. Also when you think about it, there isn't really a feature on the base W10 mobile OS that requires better hardware e.g. Settings menu grouping, expanded quick actions, etc.. Cortana was running on 8.1 and continuum is only on a few newer mid to high range W10 phones anyways. The ultimate reason for MS not providing upgrades to the older Lumia series is economics.
  • I have the insider build running on my old 521 and it runs, but it runs like a cheap android phone. Its laggy, apps are constantly crashing and it just barely moves along. I wouldve been pissed if they had pushed that out as a ota update. I reset it like 4 times and it still runs like crap so I completely agree with them not to release it and to leave it up to the owners to run to insider build. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I for one am glad they didn't. 512MB device experience was poor and I'm glad MSFT had the kahunas to say, sorry, we cannot upgrade these because of feedback we got from all of you that W10 on these was not good. I"m glad that they actaully listened to people (including myself) who gave them that feedback. Had MSFT caved in on this, we may have had those "abandoned 50%" ******** up a storm crying how bad W10M was... there really was no good solution.
  • Why is W10M so inefficient and buggy? Perhaps they hoped to deliver quality, could not do that and here we are. But would be interesting to know why it went wrong so badly.
  • No phone OS in 2016 runs well on 512 MB of RAM. No one is targetting 512 MB RAM phones for their apps. This isn't a thing. So your question poses a false premise - that someone should attempt to make a phone OS that functions properly on 512 MB devices. This would be a waste of time. That would be like building hitching posts on a university campus, or a car with an 8-track player built in. Could it be done? Yeah, of course. Should it be done? No, there's just no point. RAM is cheap enough now that even the low end Android and WP devices have at least 1 GB, better to build a capable, full-featured OS than try to target ux of four-year-old, low end hardware. For many people, a 512MB device is all they need. For many others, feature phones work great(I have friends who use flip phones). However, that's not the target for the big 3 OS in this day and time.
  • I was hopeful that they would upgrade "all" devices, but I never really believed it would happen. It's a good goal, but with so many devices, from several manufacturers, covering years of different hardware configurations, firmware, etc. I just don't think it's realistic. If it were iPhone, with 5 different CPUs, two or three amounts of RAM, one shared DPI, etc, and about 8 total models, maybe. But we're talking about so many models, some with really outdated parts, where making the OS work there would mean hurting the experience of people with new, capable phones and giving a still poor experience to people who just want their old phones to work.
  • Running release ring on my 640. Works good! Sent from my awesome 640 on Windows 10
  • Its funny, that most people wanted an update to the phone more than update to the OS, they have been crying all over the internet and crapping abt the SOON™ thing, but when it is available they dont want to upgrade their phone to match the new OS, i think now MSFT shud ask these people WHEN™ will they upgrade, its been 3-4 years already :P
  • Good one
  • Haha, good point. I'm glad I upgraded my Lumia 820 to a Lumia 640. It's really amazing for a budget phone, has great performance and is a really good W10 experience :) 
  • Brilliant. "We need a new high-end device! It's been over one year!" It releases with the best hardware available, priced lower than the competition, "It's too expensive! The hardware should be from the future!" The new OS is released for phones selling for 11.99 and up, "But why not upgrade my phone, I don't want to buy a new one, mine is only 3 years old!"
  • Oh sure, let me run right out and buy that brand new, high end Windows Phone on Verizon right now! Oh, wait....... No, it does not matter who's fault it is because, if I cannot get it, I cannot get it, period! I have been on the Windows Mobile platform since 6.2 and support is far worse than ever before. :(
  • I understand the unhappiness, but a 550 is real cheap, and the insider option is available for the 920. At least MS were upfront, and said that it is due to poor performance based on user feedback. Whilst still unpalatable, that really is the best reason not to release it to all. And MS would have got slammed if they had just let it go to those devices. Be nice if the M10 came with 10 on it. And, I was surprised Samsung didn't offer a decent WP offering. Minor issues notwithstanding, my 950xl is great. Battery is better than my 920, and quick charge is something I can never give up. Same with wireless charging.
  • Samsung will continue to make what they can from Android, but they are working on their own OS. They're not interested in working as a phone OEM for yet another OS developer.
  • Still no w10 on my AT&T 640...sigh. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Sucks ik
  • Well I finally bit the Insider bullet today and installed Win 10 on my Lumia 720 ! It's like nothing has changed. New UI and same amazing performance. 512 ram doesn't really hamper me much coz I ain't a gamer or YouTube junkie
    I m really happy
  • Nice to see thrown in here that it's HTC that abandoned me and not simply Microsoft. So much for the promise. Ugh.
  • I think the issue is the Insiders no longer get updates.  This is especially messed up for people who have an HTC M8 or Lumia Icon that are perfectly capable of running 10
  • Insiders will still get updates. Posted from Windows Central for XL
  • It was posted officially that Insiders who are not on the "official" Windows 10 list will not get any updates beyond 10586 branch, ie you're stuck with Threshold unless you get a supported device.  My Lumia Icon will never see another build beyond 10586.164; not from Microsoft, from Verizon, anyone...
  • They will get more cumulative updates.
  • True, but that's pretty pointless. Get some "bug fix" updates that really do nothing at all. The app list background bug, for example, is only fixed in Redstone. We will not get any new features, app updates will only be available for devices with Redstone (for apps like Outlook Mail and Calendar, Phone, Maps, etc). We will continue to have broken experience, should everyone else gets the good stuff. I see like one cumulative update (that will probably literally do nothing at all), then they will stop sending any updates altogether
  • Yes, but nothing beyond 10586; no new features (audio routing, Cortana improvements, better live tile refresh, etc), certain bug fixes that they've already fixed in Redstone that won't be coming to us (like the app list background lighting effect bug), app updates (like the new Maps, Outlook and Calendar) and more. Windows 10 works fine, for the most part, but it is still a somewhat broken experience that is continued to get improved that we will never see without buying new phone (again)....
  • How do you know what other features they might add?
  • I think the problem is normal WP users dont know about Upgrade Adviser. They expect Upgrade come directly to them via System Updates... Come on MSFT give them update that Upgrade Adviser will install (auto) on there phone, then on the changelog "WINDOWS 10 ARE NOW AVAILABLE JUST OPEN UPGRADE ADVISER " something like this...
  • My Lumia 640 had no Windows 10 update!!
  • Who's your carrier? They will be involved in the process.
  • Forgot ativ s ran the dual krait 200 figures even though it has 1 gb of ram & a hd screen it's days are nearly numbered wish they could at least offer us 8.1.2.
  • it's over but you people keep bringing this hope articles.... I'm keeping my Lumia 1520 on WP 8.1 until it dies...then jumping back on the Android camp with my LG G3 and a future super-camera Android phone.
  • A hint: Lumia 1520 is officially supported for running Windows 10 Mobile.
  • Remind me...where is the 'hope' part in this article? I didn't add any, simply reported AdDuplex numbers with some context. So, care to elaborate?
  • SO if you hate WP10 and you already HAVE a LG G3, what are you waiting for... do it man... doooo itttt... :)
  • "future super-camera Android phone." Did someone figure out a way to get Android running well (for Android) on a Lumia 950? That seems really ingenious. Not sure why you'd want to ruin the ux like that but nice work anyway.
  • There's one thing that should be noted though: they didn't know the number of Nokia 630's with 512MB and with 1GB.
    Therefore it's likely that the number goes beyond 50% of non-upgradeable devices because the number of 1GB Nokia 630's is likely much lower than AdDuplex accounted for since that variantion wasn't at all released in the key WP markets like Europe. So what we have is WP with 1.5 % of market share and half of those 1.5% won't even upgrade to the latest version of Microsoft's zombie OS. Microsoft should simply cut the losses and ditch WP altogether. Instead of waiting another year to confirm it flopped. Focus on Android and iOS services, where the users are. Money and time better spent. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • There arent 50% that can't upgrade. I would say it is less than 5%. Bringing up android in an argument about updates just makes for a very strange stance. 1/3rd hasn't been upgraded in two years and another third hasn't been updated in three years. Posted from Windows Central for XL
  • 1 - Did you even read the article? 2 - The "non-upgradable" hardware that can be upgraded through Insider etc (ie. which isn't something normal users do), is already in the WP10 usage numbers. 3 - Regading Android, I just mentioned Microsoft services on Android and iOS. And phone running on Android 4.4 KitKat does more than a WP10 phone which makes the new updates "less critical". But that's besides the point. I was just talking about the money Microsoft is losing on WP which would be better spent on their services on relevant mobile platforms. (Also, there are over 1.4 BILLION Android devices. If you want to talk about Android fragmentation, sure, we can talk about it. But we'll compare it the with Windows fragmentation where a considerable portion of Windows PCs are still on Windows XP.)
  • 1. Yes. But it is being offered to more phones. The article is about support.
    2. No... The already running is the already running...
    3. No. KitKat doesn't do more than w10. Do not be ignorant. Windows 10 is also relevant. The 2% who are running a current android version is hardly relevant compared to ios. Sure, lets talk about the few % that has chosen to stay with XP. Posted from Windows Central for XL
  • You are the one being ignorant here. Android on KitKat can indeed do much MORE than W10M.
  • No, it can't.
  • The amount of trolling and negativity you bring to the comments section becomes very annoying. Why do you come here? Nokia fan boy who is determined to bring down everything MS do because it didn't turn out how you wanted it to? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • It did not turn out at all, LOL!
  • Yeah! My phone is az second place! :D Lumia 535 power :3
  • *at Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10, on HP 250 G1 notebook
  • When comes updated on Lumia 640 in Germany?
  • When the hell is windows 10 coming on Nokia Lumia 1520?? #peeved
  • It's already available. You have to instal the Upgrade Advisor app, though. See this article for instructions   Unless you have a carrier phone. In which case, you may have to wait for the carrier to update it.
  • Have MS said why, specifically, Lumia 1320 isn't getting Win 10? It has a Snapdragon 400 compared to 820/920/925/1020 that have the S4 Plus.
  • No, it doesn't have the Snapdragon 400. The Lumia 1320 has the Snapdragon S4+ while the rest that you mentioned have the S4.
  •   Snapdragon 400 with Krait 300 dual core 1,7 GHz it says. Anyway, it seems dual core = no Windows 10.
  • Snapdragon 400 = quad-core A7 processor. With Adreno 304, I think? These are built on a low-power, efficient-but slow core with a short pipeline, it's quite a bit newer than the Krait technology.
  • Still Krait cores, but the whole chipset is newer.
    He/She is still wrong, twice. The Lumia 430 has a dual-core processor and still gets the OTA W10 upgrade. Posted from Bikini Bottom via my ShellPhone 950 XL
  • Yes, I was wrong regarding no dual-core processors getting Windows 10 Mobile. My mistake.
  • Basically it runs the cores at 1.7ghz as opposed to 1.5ghz. Not sure how much difference that would make. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • 13% ;)
  • Very smart! You know how to calculate percentages! Want a cookie? The point is that the whole S4 chipset is old as f***. Get over it. Posted from Bikini Bottom via my ShellPhone 950 XL
  • Woke up on the wrong side today?   By the way, I have an 640. Not 1320.
  • Then why do you keep BS-ing about the 1320 even when you're told that you're wrong? I woke up just fine, thank you. Did you wake up at all? Posted from Bikini Bottom via my ShellPhone 950 XL
  • I asked a simple question. Then I referred to a couple of sources; wikipedia and Qualcomm. Wikipedia might be wrong, but then at least you know where I got the information about the 1320. And if the wikipedia page is wrong I suggest you update it with the correct information. And don't forget to update the information regarding the 1320 at and at the same time. Now, please behave like a grown up. Don't be naughty boy.
  • is it correct though that few Android apps require Marshmallow to work? whereas w10 apps will not work on wp8.1? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I guess that's correct and that's also the main problem I have not getting the update: The store will probably dry out rather quickly like it did on WP7. Who would want to develop for WP8.1 with W10M available?
    In Android, having a device that only runs 4.x isn't really an issue, plenty of apps and regular Updates on those. Maybe Microsoft shouldn't reinvent the app model every couple years...
    I've been an Insider until 2 weeks ago and then decided to go back as I wasn't happy with W10M. Will stay with 8.1 on my L925 as Long as the phone and apps work, and then we'll see...
  • This is the one thing that's kind of driving me away from Windows phones. I have an old Android 4.1.2 device, and even though it's been abandoned by LG, I can still get the latest Chrome, Photos, Keep, News+Weather, Google Play Services, etc. With 8.1, it's completely abandoned. No Edge, enhanced Outlook, OneNote, Photos, OneDrive, nothing. Apps made for W10\W10m won't work for 8.1. Devices that are stuck on 8.1 are also stuck with the core apps. I have a Lumia 640 that's eligible for the update, but I feel pretty bad about all the people who won't get the update unless they get rid of their still-functioning phone and get a new one.
  • That is the biggest issue. For example, the Windows Central App for Windows Phone 8.1 was abandoned a long time ago. They are only actively updating the Windows 10 Mobile app. Posted from my Moto X Pure Edition via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Oh, ugly truth. I'm totally disappointed at MS.
  • @Daniel Rubino: I have been following your pattern of comments and articles about this whole WM10 update 'fiasco' (if we could call it that) and i see that you have been using the line of defense by bringing in Android and its upgrade percentage for Marshmellow 6.0 . What you are failing to understand is Microsoft's OS (both WM and WP) is not in Android's position by any length (forget android, its not even close to iOS) across the world. Anyone in such a position would surely have to put in that much extra effort to woo newer customers and retain exisiting ones. Repeat customers are always where your growth stroy is, at least thats what i have seen in my work experience of 9-10 years.  You say that MS does see it fit to pitch in that kinda resources (both money and workers) to make sure that WM10 does work on the older S4 chipsets but thats my point. I undestand the 512 MB RAM situation but even 1 GB phones are not spared? This is a sinister crime honestly in the tech world and i would say MS is looking for suicide ! Lumia 1020 has 2 GB RAM and cant make it to WM10 ... THATS SUCH A SHAME ! So much for being the best camera phone in the world.  This is a costly mistake and its going to bite them hard, you can be rest assured of that. Once a negative sentiment is created, its very difficult to recover from it. You might be a Windows evangelist because it suits you in retaining your job, isnt it? MS can still correct course and offer to dedicate resources for a second wave of devices if it wants to... Havent we seen what wonders they can do (BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY for X1) ... So this whole canard that they are spreading about user feedback from these phone users can be put to rest. I have been an WP user since Dell Venue Pro and let me tell you, after 5 years MS can forget my money on that Surface Phone (COMING SOON™)
  • "and i see that you have been using the line of defense by bringing in Android and its upgrade percentage for Marshmellow 6.0"
    Simply adding context. Nowhere did I "defend" Microsoft here. Now maybe my tone was not as "let's burn them down!" as you want, but that's on you. All I did here was simply report the AdDuplex numbers and add comparisons. I make no apologies.
    "What you are failing to understand is..."
    Oh no, I understand. What you don't understand was this was not an editorial where I rant and rail against Microsoft. That is the article you want, that is not the intent of this article, however.
    "This is a sinister crime honestly in the tech world..."
    I find this hyperbolic and overly dramatic. It's a phone.
    "Lumia 1020 has 2 GB RAM and cant make it to WM10 ... THATS SUCH A SHAME ! "
    In order to get a 41MP camera in WP in 2013 Nokia "hacked" a lot of that chipset. RAM and S4 help a lot to do oversampling and process 41MP photos and RAW images. Guess what, nothing is free and that comes at a cost in 2016 when you put a more resource intensive OS on board.
    "So much for being the best camera phone in the world. "
    In 2013. Not in 2016. Samsung, LG, and even the new Lumias have surpassed image IQ of the 1020 now. The only thing the Lumia 1020 has going for it is the 41MP. That, in and of itself, does not make it "the best", it makes it the phone with the highest MP count. That is painfully slow to use.
    "You might be a Windows evangelist because it suits you in retaining your job, isnt it?"
    Stop right there. My job is to run this site, manage the writers, cover events, do reviews. Retaining my job? Let me tell you something: I care about 2% about Windows Phone and what happens to it. It could disappear tomorrow and we would just keep covering Surface, Xbox, Band, Windows 10, and HoloLens. We're not Windows Phone Central, so you need to get over that. My job would not go away if WP folded tonight, so you need to stop holding that nonsense line over my head. You're missing some fundamental things here. Windows Phone users are the minority. The rest is your opinion and predictions. That's fine. I don't agree with much of it.
  • I am not egging you on to write that ranting article against MS at all. I am just expressing my pain of being with the platform for more than 5 years and having to deal with this kinda third rate support. And yes, i would like to apologize if my comment about the job thing riled you. That was not my intention but just probably a venting of frustration of how you somehow came across as defending MS's strategy over a period of time. Sure you could say, that its just my opinion but you can probably conduct a poll and you will see how many actually feel burnt right now by MS's decision (not the first time going by MS's record)  You might find my opinion as hyperbolic and dramatic and its just a phone et all.. but a phone is part of tech world :) P.S. I have never used an Android phone extensively as my daily driver, probably never will. MS on computers and Nokia on phones have been my mainstay for years but this is getting worse by the day honestly.
  • I have for paid for a flagship for my L925 and never got that experience because of this constantly "in limbo" WP OS.
  • Wut? Did you power the phone on the first time and it made you wait until now, and still hasn't told you if you get to use it? Or did you buy the 925 in 2013 with the goal of opening the box in 2016, updating to the newly-released OS, and having a flagship experience at this time? I understand that the WP fans have gotten some raw deals. I understand that carriers have stopped updates, apps have sometimes been slow to release, some features were changed or removed from 8 to 8.1 etc. But Lumia 925, and other Windows phones in 2013, were released with Windows 8 and got a 8.1 update. They did all the Windows 8 and 8.1 stuff, and did it really well. I used WP8.1 for almost a year on 4 different phones, it was overall a great experience. I came from comparable Android phones, and the WP ux was better. Fewer apps, fewer users, but better experience. That's why we bought those devices, because we liked them. Now it's 2016. The Lumia 925 and 1020 etc aren't being produced at this time. The phones that were recently released support Windows 10. Windows 10 is a great OS, and a great experience on those devices. However, we can't expect MS to risk the experience of the people who bought new phones, to serve hardware from 2012 or 2013. That would be a disservice to their current and future users. Let's not pretend that our phones haven't functioned for the last 2 or 3 years just because they weren't on the officially supported list for the new software in 2016.
  • My friend... You seem to discount the fact that while MS is not attracting much of the new phone buyers, they are invariably irking their long time supporters. By doing that they won't be able to retain much market share. Imagine the bad mouthing or rather bad reviews that is going to create more negative perception. If MS has to beat google and apple they really need to wow their existing customer base.
  • Tossing this out here as an idea to ponder... what if MS offered some sort of upgrade discount to existing Windows Phone owners, the amount depending on model owned and model desired? Would any of you who are upset, would this interest you?
  • I like that upgrade discount. Combine my W7 phone, Surface RT and L928 and I should get a free phone! Pretty much done at this point with MS except on a desktop.
  • I wonder how long ATT will drag its feet to update ours?
  • Remember 830 AT&T? Sent from my Windows Mobile phone.
  • I did have thought just now.... The browser is the single biggest issue on these low memory devices. If they left the old browser for those, they could have upgraded the 512MB phones...
  • MS could have made many different sacrifices to serve these old devices. However, they have to prioritize building and maintaining the OS on the devices which can run it. If they gave priority to older devices over newer ones, that would be an insult to loyal customers who bought new devices, hoping for a better experience.
  • meanwhile Microsoft is forcing my neighbor's 2007 netbook to get w10
  • Hello. I have installed the Upgrade Advisor app but when I check it, it say's that "the update is available but we are working with the phone manufacturer and network mobile to receive it......" Has anyone having this problem? The phone is 640 xl.
  • I have the same problem on my 640
  • That's not a "problem" that's a mobile carrier. They have to approve these things before they can flight.
  • Did the official update come yet for WM10 on the Lumia 640XL? No. Right?
  • Official update came on. 640/640xl few days ago
  • And how many of those "unupgradable" WP8.x devices can still be updated with Insider build like you can for L920? There are many of us who find Insider builds stable enough and don't care much that there's no 'official' upgrade path.
  • It's time to let the 520 go guys.  I had two 520s and installed the latest build of 8.1 on one of them (including the Preview for Developers builds) and the latest .164 build of WM10 on the other (via Windows Insider).  There was not one instance or metric where the 520 with WM10 was faster or performed better than the 520 with WP8.1.  In addition, compared to the 640 the screen is poor and it can’t handle 128 microSD cards (and it lacks a flash).   With WM10 the 520 just felt like an old Android phone and was frustrating even to my nephew (who normally doesn’t care about nerdy stuff).  Even the Lumia 635 512MB version with its better processor runs WM10 poorly - the OS just needs more memory.  I reverted to 8.1 on that phone and gave it to my grandma.   For those in the USA, the Lumia 640 can be commonly found for under $30 (in fact BestBuy is currently selling it for $29.99).  Like the 520 and 635, it can be unlocked for free within a few days by AT&T (as long as you don't activate the GoPhone account).  It also accommodates a 128GB microSD and has a flash.  Windows Mobile 10 runs very well on it and it will be officially supported.  Or if you prefer WP8.1, it has the latest and most up-to-date build of 8.1 available.  I popped in a Google ProjectFi SIM (free with a ProjectFi account) and now have a backup device that can access the internet with a sufficient 128GB music library for travelling.  I’m thinking of picking up several more 640s to give to my family once I unlock them.
  • Exactly.  Make the 650 $30, and we'll make it the fastest growing, the most popluar Windows Phone.
  • "There was not one instance or metric where the 520 with WM10 was faster or performed better than the 520 with WP8.1" How was the performance compared to the WP8.1 experiance? If it was the same or similar, why not use W10M? It does not have to be better; it just need to functional and run the new apps.
  • I'll clarify - the 520 running 10 was noticeably slower than the 520 running 8.1 in every usage scenario I tested.
  • Word. I think Microsoft should either back up their claims and UPGRADE ALL PHONES RUNNING WINDOWS PHONE 8.1 TO WINDOWS 10 or Offer a global phone-upgrade solution for those who got stuck with 8.1. Something along the lines of "BRING AN OLD LUMIA PHONE AND GET A NEW 640 FOR $30/€30/£30."
  • They don't have the distribution capacity for that kind of an offer. However the 640 is available for under $30 in the US.
  • They don't have the distribution capacity? Are you jokin? They are freaking Microsoft! And yeah, $30 in the US while the rest of the world is getting milked. Typical.
  • bad Microsoft!
  • Interestingly the 630 my mum uses runs W10M perfectly fine and in some cases it's faster than WP8.1
  • "HTC is passing on upgrading the One M8 to Windows 10 Mobile due to a small install base and the costs of paying carriers to test the update (versus any return benefit)." This is why I was one-and-done with HTC. They have NEVER offered good support long-term. My Droid Incredible got ONE major update in the 2 years I had it. They have no clue what they are doing, and should probably just give up. They have no flagship on the way, it seems. They can't make a phone that is functionally as good as people say the One looks (though I thought it to be a very ugly device myself). It's a complete mess over there. They have made no real progress with Android of late, and they are too thick to try Windows PHone FOR REAL while the hardware is still in transition (as we are seeing Acer and HP do, for instance).
  • That's a pretty small number.  Remember, even an iPhone 4s can load on the latest iOS 
  • Over the last 5 years, iPhones have had fewer than 5 different processors, fewer than 4 different RAM capacities, one display DPI, and one device manufacturer. All the iPhones were built with relatively very few hardware differences between them, with the goal all along to be that they all share the same OS. Additionally, Apple is willing to delay bringing competitive software features to their devices in order to ensure that the OS is able to run on old devices. All that is true, but if you talk to an iPhone 4s user and ask about the new version, they will tell you that performance is comparatively terrible.
  • NOT at all. My mom uses iPgone 4S, it still works like a charm and far better than this W10M in L730.
  • "HTC is passing on upgrading the One M8 to Windows 10 Mobile due to a small install base and the costs of paying carriers to test the update"
      I own the One M8 for Windows Phone and it's a great phone. I was hoping for the Win10 update but at least this confirms that I'm not going to get the update. So I will have to wait till November before I can get a new phone. Although I am leaning towards buying Microsoft hardware, I would have given consideration to HTC if they came out with another great phone.   I was expecting the upgrade but I get it, it's a business decision. But it's now my decision not to buy another HTC product in the future.          
  • MS couldnt have easily done them the favor though. That is too good of a phone to just be abandoned like that so early.
  • MS can't make a firmware update for the HTC, for legal reasons. Many Android manufactures will sell phones with the last OS version installed after the new version is released, and never release an update to the new version. It's normal for them to do on Android, should be no surprise when they don't bother to make upgrades available on their WP models.
  • I think eddieDOTexe probably meant MS could have thrown them some $$$ to develop the firmware. Regardless, lucky you that you only have to wait until November. I bought my HTC One M8 in April of last year (new, from AT&T), so it's been abandoned and I've owned it less than a year. This is my third HTC (HTC Tilt, HTC Titan) and, incidentally, my last.
  • I could be mistaken, but I didn't think it was an issue re: firmware. I thought the issue was that HTC didn't want to pay the carrier fees for testing.   Either way, no update. Although I didn't have 3 like you, this was my second HTC. My first one was the HTC 8X. Looking at it now and looks so ancient.   Although I have to wait till November. Kinda happy that I'm stuck (without buying out) my contract. Hopefully, there will be a Microsoft Surface phone.  Or, some other MS flagship at that time.
  • "HTC is passing on upgrading the One M8 ... costs of paying carriers to test the update ... no surprise as the company is struggling financially ..." What is surprising is that Microsoft does'nt just open up their petty cash box and pay for the testing.
  • Give for 520 update also
  • No. Nearly 50% windows phone cant upgrade to win 10. Read it in different perspective-dont biased.
  • more like "50% of windows phones, that are 3 years old and cannot run windows mobile 10 smoothly due to an extremly old(about 5 year old) and slow processor, cant upgrade to wm10". Read in proper context, not baised.
  • Marketing share will drop.. Hahaha. 50% almost lumia 512mb.
  • Truly dissapointed that L525 will not get the official upgrade
  • Windows 10 mobile preview is running smoothly on Lumia 630 dual 512 MB RAM. I think MS should think about to take this model to the upgrade list.
  • Funny how my 928 never had one major problem with any of the build's from the beginning, never locked up, froze, just the little pain bugs we all had and ever single time gave all the feedback needed. I used this 928 every single day as a daily driver which was used hard for work call's and email 6 hours a day. And now MS want to tell me this phone should not be updated, well sure looks like we were all used at our expense and not even an update to gain! One thing for sure is Microsoft getting good at is screwing everyone.
  • My 928 had problems with build 107. Build 164 is a lot better, but slow at times.
  • Wow couldn't MS do HTC the favor and pay for carriers to test it for them? Like damn dude, treat your OEMS nice man
  • Oh Posted from new Windows Central App on Lumia 730
  • Well...the statistic is base on devices, how about the people who actually use them? I mean one person can own more than one device.
  • I can't find anything positive to say anout the situation so i will just not make any comment except to say i have purchased two Android phones and no longer use my 820, 925, or 640(ungrade still waiting, no idea when it will really get W10).
  • Let us know when those two Android phones get the upgrade to Android P in 2018.
  • Its honestly completely absurd that the one m8 is not getting w10m. All Verizon windows phone appreciators are getting screwed. I have no future with this platform because the support was so poor. I loved my windows phone for the time being but im off to android. This was rediculous.
  • Let us know when your Android phone gets the update to Android O in 2017. Also be sure to download an antivirus.
  • And to add to my post before... The only people keeping windows phone afloat are your few fans.. Why are the customers being treated worse than every other phone manufacturer...
  • As long as separate app is needed for updating most people wont. As they stupidly think that phones normal update functionality takes care of updates.
  • At least Microsoft are trying and i thought they announced carrier by pass. Or was that another story that was fake
  • Win 10 Insider runs like a charm on my three yr old Lumia 720. On my 520 it's a bit iffy, but tolerable as a basic phone device. In fact, I m resting my 735 Win 10 official for a while and putting my mainline sim back in my Lumia 720 with Win 10 !
  • I'm using BLU Win HD Lte x150E but still didn't get windows10 update..!! Do anyone is having any information?
  • There is no upgrade for X150E.
  • Didn't understand the reason behind this. There are no carrier restrictions that prohibit the phone from getting the upgrade. The phone has a quad core SD410, 1GB RAM and 8GB storage. The firmware possibly would not differ by much. Imo it should have been eligible for the upgrade.
  • Please help me I am not able to update my phone to windows 10 the downloading goes upto 87,72,50%and then it again starts from the beginning.
  • but they still need to install upgrade advisor. i really don't understand why we need another app(except for link to very buggy website to buy new windows phone) and what about GDR2? anybody remember?
  • I have the 640 (GoPhone) and have not received the WM10 update, did the upgrade adviser.  Anybody else not getting it? 
  • I have 640 and installed upgrade adviser and still no update.
  • Could My Lumia 520 get update to windows 10 or not??
  • This may sound like a rant to many, but being on wp since Lumia 800 I dont want to agree with everything MSFT does. The problem with me is not that I'm not getting an update for my 1020. I know it has its hardware limitations and its 3 years old, lot of 3 year old droids dont get upgrade to Marshmallow. The issue here is MSFT abandoning the os, once there is a newer version. Despite being on an older version of os we get most of latest apps, games & upgrades to many apps in Android or iOS. With MSFT its different once os is abandoned there is no new apps to platform, store dries up nothing new happens. It happened with WP7, WP8, and will be same story with WP8.1 too. Though i like OS I dont really like MSFT,s strategy.  
  • this market study needs a correction. win10m "current and potential" percentage seems to be calculated together with ALL insider installs, including those recently unallowed by Microsoft for the OTA upgrade. the real win10m should have been calculated for the models which will keep on getting upgrades, in which case the percentage would be WAY fewer.
  • I guess probably android users are still okay staying in an older version of OS because none of their standard features are Coming Soon™ .
  • Wtf wtf wtf Please anyone tell me will I get update on not Lumia 925, India
  • NOPE.
  • Just switch to Android. Lesser problems with app updates.
  • So basically you are saying that Microsoft is successful as “less than less than 50%” of the user base will be kicked out”? How could Microsoft be better when the fan base expects so little? And, I do not like the Android example used by the hardcore Microsoft fans, OLD Android versions can run latest Microsoft Office, WP8.1 can not!
  • I was a huge Windows Phone fan. I had a 920 and an 830. Great phones but after Nadella's speach on the state of Windows Phone. I knew it was over and jumped ship. I have tried Win10 Mobile on the 920. It was an awful experience. WP8 was a work in progress, but I really thought they got it right with WP8.1. W10 mobile is just another reboot, and becomes another work in progress. But this time nobody cares. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I'm using 630 Single sim with RELIANCE GSM network in India. I set my region, speech and language to English USA. So when I'll get windows 10 update for my phone??
  • Official update? Never.
  • Guys my Lumia 535 is stuck at 0%.
    What do I do ? Plz help
  • 50% is a failing grade any way you look at it.  For Apple's 79%, those other 21% I'm guessing *could* update if they wanted to. Windows Phone has about a 2% market share.  What else is there to say?  Microsoft has competely and utterly failed to market Windows Phone to any sort of respectable market share that would get app developers to need to be on the platform.  The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and by that judgement, Windows Phone is a failure from top to bottom.  This upgrade fiasco is just the latest in a long series of blunders.  
  • If I remember correctly 10% (give or take) of iPhone users are on the latest update. This was a few months ago before the new update this week. So something is holding people up. I believe one big issue for the remainder (even the 90% not on the latest) is the free space on the phone. Most iPhones have 16GB of storage. If they are close to full, then it won't update. I know my wife has to go through pics on a regular basis to free up space to take more pics.
  • I hv lumia 1020... I did love windows phones... Because of not listed in W10 upgrade I think I was wrong... Will not go to windows again... Good bye... Microsoft is not honest with users like me...
  • Very disapponted as a developer. Only half of an already very small user base are able to update!! This is the sad repercussion of Microsoft's strategy of focusing on low end devices with 512MB RAM and slow processors. Should I even bother writing UWP apps knowing very few users are out there?
  • MS ****** it up again. Don't promise something you can't fulfill. Just don't. EDIT:
  • Not replacing my windows phone....thought it was coming to 512mb devices and at the last minute they call it off. Poor planning and development.
  • When it release for 512mb Ram bcz Microsoft refuses
  • Shame. The preview works amazingly on my HTC M8. Let's hope that Surface phone comes soon. Let's also hope Verizon picks it up.
  • I have a Lumia 920 with Windows 10, and it's working very well! I'm happy!
  • Just WIndows Insider app'd my Nokia 1320 up to W10. Takes a looong time to do its thing but installed fine(after I reset the phone to remove all my stuff). RUns marginally more slowly then W8.1 but I have not found anything yet that does not work! No reason not to upgrade for you N1320 fans out there!
  • The problem with 50% of lumia phones being upgradeable to Windows 10 Mobile is that 50% aren't! With Windows Mobile having such a small user base and having been told all lumia phones running 8.1 will be upgradeable to Windows 10 mobile this leaves 50% of an already small user base mega pissed off.
  • "Looking at current Android stats and just 2.3 percent of their install base is on Android 6.0 (Marshmallow) with 36 percent on Android 5.0/5.1 aka Lollipop (which was released in late 2014). Around 34 percent of Android users are still on KitKat, which came out in early 2013, but mostly in 2014."   Big deal! Android users continue to enjoy their regularly updated apps even when on KitKat while WP8.1 users will be stuck with their WP8.1 apps, waiting to get rotten and decayed over the months. They have no chance to see UWP apps on their trusted not-too-old windows phones. Daniel, perhaps you should stop downplaying Android because in actual facts, Windows phone is in a much worsen state than Android.
  • I don't mind it that my Lumia Icon won't be getting Win10M as it just deosn't perform as well as I would like it to with that OS. What I WANT from MSFT is a Flagship Device on Verizon that blows away the competition! Until then, my Icon is a backup device as I use an iPhone 6S+ and love it! Come on MSFT, get with it and make the Windows Phone we ALL have been waiting for!
  • Ok. no one talks about Lumia 630 but it was the first phone to come out in 2014 with 512 mb RAM and i believe it does not even have 2 years and was not upgraded to Windows 10 mobile. In my country there is no phone for 30 bucks otherwise i would be all over it as I am an insider since early December and i really liked the experience as i did not experience the first builds and I was almost always on the slow ring but things were going well as i just reported fewer bugs - the one on alarms, and some others. So my expectation was that in the Lumia brand we would get at least 2 year support. and I am comparing the Lumia Brand to other companies because Lumia should be to Microsoft what Iphone is to Apple and what Nexus is to Google. So we should get at least 2 year support. I understand the whole 512 mb ram but being an insider and reporting stuff to just have an official WP 8.1 and seeing our phone with less than 2 year old without upgrades and without any reward is just cruel, taking into account that all the app support will move onto Windows 10 Mobile. I do not even argue old promises microsoft  did, or if they were even a promise but the Lumia 630 is a clear case of saying: just defend your brand by at least by providing the same support as other competitors in the market. PS: I am not expecting Redstone builds to come to this phone but at least let phones with less than 2 year old to reach their normal market life :).