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Do you want the Windows 10 Start menu back on Windows 11?

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Love it or hate it, there's no arguing that the Windows 11 Start menu has been a white-hot topic since Microsoft's new OS made its (leaked, then official) debut. The Windows 11 Start menu is a relatively minor adjustment in the grand scheme of Windows' evolution, but that hasn't stopped some people from absolutely detesting it or just missing their beloved Windows 10 Start menu, which, in their defense, is a pretty great Start menu.

For a time, it was possible for these affected parties to have their cake and eat it, too. Via a little registry tweaking, users could get the Windows 10 Start menu into Windows 11, enabling them to enjoy the modernity of the latest Windows while respecting tradition where it counted most: The Start Menu. However, in its latest Windows 11 preview build, Microsoft put an end to that, ensuring that Windows 11 users will have to live with the Windows 11 Start menu.

Are you fine with that change? Do you bemoan it and want the Windows 10 Start menu back?

Let us know what your stance is on the epic Start menu debacle, which is set to define 2021's list of high-priority issues. After all, if one cannot start things the way they want, how can they hope to end them? Is Windows 11 doomed for some users right from the outset as a result of this sweeping change on Microsoft's part?

If your voice cannot be confined to a pre-defined, nicely bubbled option in a poll, drop a comment to share your in-depth analysis of what makes a Start menu great and why Windows 11's or 10's does the job better. Your comments are always the best part of these polls.

Robert Carnevale is the News Editor for Windows Central. He's a big fan of Kinect (it lives on in his heart), Sonic the Hedgehog, and the legendary intersection of those two titans, Sonic Free Riders. He is the author of Cold War 2395. Have a useful tip? Send it to robert.carnevale@futurenet.com.

84 Comments
  • Definitely at least as an option should the Windows 10 style Start menu stay at hands. Also otherwise more optional customization possibilities should be offered to users. As great as Windows 10 overall has been, it has been lacking many built-in customizations that many of the earlier Windowses, like Windows 7, had: fine-tuning fonts of the UI, their size, et cetera. And these kinds of possibilities are also lacking from the new Windows 11 for now.
  • Letting users customize is not a pure win (it's obviously good for you when it lets you do something you want to do): it demands a lot of a design to support that kind of flexibility. That comes at a cost of other facets to the design. In other words, allowing users to customize everything ensures that the OS does not look as good as it could if it didn't offer that. It also means that developers and testers working on the UI are spending time on that flexibility instead of on other things that could be real advances. That doesn't mean there should be no or very little customization (like everything from Apple), just that people should recognize there is a tradeoff and it's not as simple as options=better. Personally, the main option I miss from Windows 7, which can be hacked into Windows 10 with some registry changes after each major update: increasing the number of items in the Jump Lists on both Taskbar and Start Menu. This doesn't really affect the design, so I resent that MS made this harder. On a 40" 4k monitor, it's absurd that I can only view the last 11 items in a jump list without changing 3 separate registry values in different keys. I suspect this is not coming back in Windows 11, but that would be my main request to bring back from Windows 7.
  • That's a good point regarding how options/flexibility can actually negatively affect the overall product. It's something I only learned recently.
  • This. There's y always a cost in keepinh every option available. You can't go forward and stay still at the same time.
  • You also make the UX muddled and confusing. There's a reason why IOS is so popular. I don't want that level of dumb but I understand why people like it.
  • Exactly. This is the very reason Android tablets never took off. The sheer level of difference is to bewildering for developers.
  • You can customise Windows 10 just as much as you can Windows 7. In fact more. Windows 7 Start Menu was largely fixed. You can change the Font and Font Size.
  • They should completely remove the underlying code. Keeping it just bloats the OS. In time it would become less functional and prone to bugs, that would then have a negative affect on the user. Time to move on. I loved the idea of live tiles initially (with no support from developers and ultimately Microsoft they was pointless) , how many actually got a functional use from them.
  • Agreed, time to move on.
  • I agree, having a Core OS inspired flexible shell is great for devices with multiple ways of interaction, but having a UI that suits all of those use cases is better for accessibility and ease of use. I might support multiple shells if one was tweaked for power users to surface more options and display a more complex layout, but that's different than clinging to outdated UI for posterity.
  • Exactly. Windows already has to much legacy bloat to deal with as it is. It also makes it harder to train and for users to understand. You have two start menus to account for.
  • I voted for "Let people have options," but I do appreciate the importance of holding to a consistent design gestalt and also not spending time and effort supporting little-used options forever. I support MS making the decision based on actual telemetry. I personally like the Windows 10 Start menu, including the Live Tiles, folders, and ability to group and size my icons/tiles based on use. I will miss that if it's gone, but if there are only 2-3% of us who use it that way, then MS should get rid of it, rather than bind themselves to support it. In my experience with friends and family, even when I've set up their Start menus with the icons and tiles they wanted and reviewed it with them, they never used them within a few minutes of my showing them the feature, and never would have set it up in the first place if I hadn't done it for them. I realize that's just one anecdote, but it makes it easy for me to believe Microsoft's statement that most users don't take advantage of the Windows 10 Start menu.
  • I have the same problem you set up the start menu to be all nice for people but people don't use it. I have found most people just search for what they want in the search box or find the app manually in the start menu list. I can see MS's view on setting the start menu up this way. Let's see if it takes.
  • The Windows 10 start menu is actually very advanced and much more sophisticated than the current iteration of the Windows 11 start menu. I personally prefer the 10 start, and use it heavily. However, as others have pointed out, only very few people make use of it. The good news though is that Windows 10 is supported until 2025. This is enough for me, since I can take my time without the need to rush to get Windows 11. TLDR: If you prefer the 10 start, stick to Windows 10, else upgrade to 11. Both will be supported for years to come.
  • But what if I want to have Live Tiles and Android apps and Direct Storage support?
  • Live Tiles were going away anyways even if there was no announcement for Windows 11. The new Widgets bar in 11 is more informative especially if Microsoft can get developers on board
  • I hope they will open up with 3rd-party soon, better before the release of Windows 11.
    The problem I have with new Widgets is how sluggish it to use, every cold boot, there is a several seconds of blank loading placeholder considering its purely web-based and seems no local function or something similar. Unlike Live Tiles that feels very native and always available every time you open a Start menu with no lags, and all animates beautifully. Widgets on its current stage feels an afterthought and don't even fully follow Windows 11 design. Their context menu is not native at all. Clicking Widgets will just open a web browser instead of installed apps.
  • I couldn't so much care for the small Start Menu, but I definitely want them to keep the ability to have a Full Screen Start Menu with Medium and Wide sized Tiles which I find of great use for pinning Websites and Games on my HTPC where small Icons don't exactly shine on due to the viewing distance 😐
  • The poll is not loading for me on edgeium or firfox 😶. I want the option to have the W10 start menu as a toggle switch the start menu settings. As for me live tiles make more sense on a tablet or touch screen display. With combined with the touch improvements in W11, Live tiles (full screen start menu) becomes alot more functional on a tablet / touch screen display. Plus this will help people transition to the new start menu. If only there was Screen like the Surface Studio that was a 42". I could use that as a drawing screen, TV and Monitor for work, gaming (console+pc). I can easily see W11 + Live tiles + touch improvements in W11 being extremly intuitive to use. Heck, using something like FL Studio with elements scaled for touch would be a game changing experience.
  • No doubt, Windows 11 Start Menu is gorgeous on small screens, but it completely lost the productivity solution to draw numerous apps as once, especially for power users on big screens. Panos Panoy shared video for Windows 10 21H2 vision was a great looking start menu combining live tiles with app icons, so people can choose.
  • Right now I don't like Windows 11 start menu but I think it should not include the old stuff from the previous version.
    At this points it's horrible and they should improve it for desktop PCs.
  • Well… I think they’re at a point where it sucks for Desktop PCs AND it sucks for tablets… so everybody is equal so nobody is happy! ;-)
  • An option would be nice. I would probably keep the old.
  • The Windows 11 Start Menu is perfect for the small screen and touch, but on a desktop with a large monitor (mine is a 40 inch 4K) it is very limiting. I like the simplicity of the look without tiles. Time will tell what they do with the Start Menu. I’m sure it will evolve and become more customizable during its lifetime. My first computer was a Mac plus from Apple in 1984 and I continued to use Apple computers until I made the jump to a Windows PC with Windows 95. I have always been an early adopter of new technology including the Windows OS. I jumped headfirst into Windows 8 as soon as it was available and grew to like it, especially when 8.1 was released. Again, I jumped into Windows 10 as soon as it was released. It has matured into a great OS. After 6 years with Windows 10, I finally have the system customized to the way I like it and it facilitates the way I work very well. I like Windows 11 and the overall look and feel, but until it becomes more customizable and makes better use of a large monitor, I guess I’ll stick with Windows 10. It’s smart on Microsoft’s part not to offer the Windows 10 Start Menu on Windows 11. That defeats the whole purpose of a new OS. All they really need to do is make the new Start Menu resizable and allow for grouping of icons into logical order. The first step would be to allow the creation of a new page (dot) without the previous page being full. That would facilitate a grouping scenario that could work for those of us that use the Start Manu as a launcher for everything we do. I currently have over 100 icons on my Start Menu and am only two clicks from anything I need to do.
  • I wouldn’t even say it’s good for small screens - it’s just terrible all the way around.
  • I say give the option if that is what people want, but that is not going to happen, I wanted the option to go back to a Windows 7 style start menu in Windows 10. Thankfully third party developers produced menu systems for Windows 10. So maybe someone will produce a Windows 10 style start menu for Windows 11. I don't dislike Windows 11 start menu, it is ok, still need some fixes and adjustments, but I prefer it to Windows 10 start menu. Saying that I do like the way I have Windows 10 set up with start is back and if I decide to update to Windows 11 as my main OS, I am pretty sure i would just want the same start menu I have now.
  • Windows 10 start menu sucks. The only start menus that have the functions I want are in Windows 7 and earlier versions of Windows. Right now I'm using a third party app (Sart10 from Stardock) to configure the start menu the way I want it. The same goes for Windows Explorer, which I consider to be the worst of all the file explorers available. Instead of Windows Explorer I use Directory Opus. It's a little expensive, but it has a lot of tools and functions. There are open source file explorers available, but none of them have all the tools that come with Opus.
  • Well, in my opinion win 10 start is great as i can customize it as i like, since i can only keep my most used apps, make big live tiles for apps like weather to show usfull info, and group things up in sections for sorting, while i didnt use folders too much on desktop, its extremly usefull on a tablet like surface 3 and a full screen start menu.
    Win 11 start is actually a little cryppy especially since it gives iOS vibes, you cant personalize it as you want, and it looks ok only if you have a small screen.
    The option to have widgets is a useless one with win 10 start menu, so i complitly ignored, but actually disabled too on win 10
  • Uh no. Hard NO. It shouldn't even be an option. As much as I love the customizability of Live Tiles and touch-friendly intuitiveness of a 'Start Screen', it would be a massive UI and UX inconsistency if preserved on W11. We've all been crying how inconsistent Windows is. Let's not drag our feet now that something's being done about it.
  • Microsoft can make Live Tiles more Fluent with rounded corners and some start screen layout changes. It's not a broblem at all to make Windows 10 menu with Live Tiles fit into Windows 11 style.
  • True, it is just the aesthetics which can easily conform with Windows 11 if they want but chosen not to. Currently Windows 11 Start Menu is more akin to Chrome OS even down to functionality. I understand they want to move on from Live Tiles when there is Windows Widgets now, but currently it is not even open yet to 3rd-party developers, sluggish to use that there is a delay to load widgets especially after cold boot, also useless when there is no internet connectivity like if I add new Task in To Do, it won't add it if no connectivity is present or even adding calendars. I want to love this Widgets since it is potentially more powerful than Live Tiles, but currently its worse and Vista Widgets were far more functional than on Windows 11 Widgets atm. Many were asking Live Tiles to be widgets, Idk why Microsoft didn't just go with that approach and improved Live Tiles to become one. It will keep the existing Live Tiles to be functional, while any developer will take advantage of new SDK can make Live Tiles as widgets, even better if it opens up to Win32 apps. But alas, we get is different beast altogether.
  • Your insights are always fascinating, I really hope you always report this stuff, even if you feel it's not being listened to. Make sure to check 1st that it hasn't already been reported.
  • Thanks, I do submit some feedbacks and upvote when I find something worthwhile. Especially low vote counts but that has suggestion that seems useful. Sadly sending suggestions may not always get what you want or intent. But they sometimes do, at least in my experience. Though some takes years to even implement. The snapping layouts on Windows 11 were one of the suggestions on early days of Windows 10 Insider builds. Since Windows 8.1 had snapping more than 4 depending on screen size and all resizable. Took them 6 years to realize this. Lol
  • The ability to group my apps/tiles based on use is the functionality I want, and use multiple times on a daily basis. Win 11's start menu reminds me of my android phone's. But yet I use my computer for productivity and my phone for down times. Centering the start menu, and not including the ability to group applications into groups is a huge step backwards in functionality. Muscle memory is very underrated and in this case MS is making Windows actually harder and less efficient to use, whether you use the functionality as intended or not. If not included, I will personally update to Win 11 at sometime, if not just for the multimonitor support, but I will look for a more intelligent and functional start menu program to support my work.
  • Just stay on Windows 10. That's all you have to do.
  • And stay without Android apps and Direct Storage for games.
  • I may do that if I stay on the Windows platform
  • Focus on making the new one complete and enjoy the W10 one on W10
  • I do everything in the windows 10 full screen Start menu. And have lots of folders in them. Let alone it looks a lot better then The android look. In Short if I cant have the windows 10 start menu in Windows 11. Then I'm not getting windows 11 at all the end. I would just wait till win 12 comes out or windows core OS on a surface AR glasses.so give me the option for windows 10 start menu.
  • As someone who prefers Windows 10's start menu over Windows 11's start menu, I'm willing to see how Microsoft will take the feedback and come up with a compromise that would add more functionality and customization to the start menu. Sure there's the Widgets menu, and yeah its currently limited to the widgets they provide you, but knowing 3rd party support is coming on the way it could be better than Windows 10's start menu. But let's see what time has in store for us for Windows 11's UI, I like a lot of what I'm seeing in Windows 11, but there's some things like the basic as hell watered down Start menu (though it does look clean and pretty however), the calendar menu being tied to the action center taking up a portion of space, having no access to extra options when right clicking the taskbar (which was super handy for opening up Task Manager for me) and the lack of a touch gesture to summon the Start and Quick Actions menu are the only problems I have with it, but overall the new stuff outweighs the nitpicks I have for me.
  • However though, if you want my opinion (and I might be downvoted to Hell over it), Windows 8/8.1's Start Screen was the best! #BringBackTheStartScreen 😎
  • Well Windows 8.1 Start Screen I think is still better version than what was on Windows 10 Start screen, except for some improvements like new sizes, folder support and Jumplist that was not present on Windows 8.1. But the behavior on Windows 8.1 were better since you can literally leave Start screen open on a 2nd monitor acting as a dashboard. Currently we don't have that option even on Windows 11 with Widgets. You click it and goes away once you click away from it. Currently Widgets is too limited and relied on internet too much with no native app integration at all, making it just a glorified MSN page on Windows desktop. Start menu is indeed watered down in terms of functionality. Yeah, others like it for those who don't pin that much on their Start menu, but what about who really take advantage of those? You can pin a lot in new Start menu, but they will be hidden in view, which is practically almost no different from clicking All Apps and browse the apps from there. Not everybody use desktop PC with 27 inch 4K monitors that can pin everythin on the Taskbar, even then it will be cluttered and the argument of decluttering Start menu is moot when the clutter is far more visible on the Taskbar anyways.
  • @aXross Well said, I use a 1080p, 42" TV with 100% scaling and I can't pin everything I need on the task bar... it becomes way too cluttered.
  • if you want Windows 10, don't update to 11.
  • Yes the option should be there. People should move forward when they're ready, not when someone tells them to. I run live tiles full screen, neatly grouped by task type, and I see the 11 menu as a total waste of space. why wouldn't there be grouping? if it could even pull an android and let you drag an icon onto another icon to create a folder, it might be enough, but no grouping is a nonstarter for me.
  • I have 50 things on my start menu, so yes I prefer the Windows 10 one.
  • Of course if they allowed folder, allowed to increase its size and number of apps on it, then it would be mostly fine. I do like giving apps different sizes, but I can live without it
  • Give us choice - Classic (w10) start or new (w11). I had to roll back to Windows 10 as the new w11 start is such a productivity/usability regression - almost feels like a giant backwards leap to win 3.X era....
  • The new start menu is horrid at the moment, but Microsoft can fix it by tweaking a few things. The main issue is it just needs to show apps and not all the other fluff. Allow us to group the apps and set them up to our liking. At the moment, You might as well use the desktop.
  • Why not turn the desktop into an actual functional tool and turn it into a start menu. Seems awful redundant to have all that functional space. You could make the icons resizable and make folders that pop out and flow better. Have one desktop with productivity and another with icons for fun...
  • That was I think the original intention of Windows 8 Start screen, but the execution was bad though. Windows 8 Start screen is the actual home page since it remains on screen if there is no app window on the foreground. But looks like that desktop paradigm may not get explored again for several years if ever in Windows.
  • For me, Windows 8 and 10 start menu was always a horrible experience. It felt feature complete but in reality it was such and will always be a mess for most people. I'm always moving crap around on it and it never feels right. Then when you finally get it right. You have to refresh your PC cause it just seems slower. Everything you did is out the door. The perfect start menu would look like a tabbed spiral. the tabs would be closest to the start button (depending on orientation of taskbar). The moment you click on a tab say work app icons for work would open. Click on the icon for games and all your game app icons would open. That way your productivity would increase. Click on word tab and all your word files would open. Use code that would place the most important icons directly near the tab icon that way your mouse doesn't have to travel far to click on the most important used.
  • This sounds like a UX nightmare. Keep that terrible idea to yourself
  • I think it's a waste of resources to give the option to revert back to the old start menu BUT I do believe the current start menu DEFINITELY needs more customization options to be more practical.
    It needs:
    - App groups
    - Ability to hide/disable the Resources section (such a waste of space that most won't need)
    - Option to show the apps list along the left side of the window (to avoid repeat of Win8 start menu fiasco)
    - Jump Lists when you right click on an app (just like Win10 has)
    - Resizable window
    - The ability to move the window
  • The Windows 8 Start screen fiasco was to do with All Apps button is completely hidden from view, which was fixed on Windows 8.1 but too late since the reputation damage is done. Though yeah, that always visible All Apps would be a good option. Though I'm not sure if it will be better as default or not. Since historically, showing All Apps list on Start Menu were never really a thing, it always been another click to perform. It was a first time in Windows 10. It will be a feedback how many will prefer that as default. But yeah, the rest of your list should be re-implemented with the new Start menu. Since current Windows 11 Start is too limited for those who really put their apps and organized it well. Current Windows 11 Start menu is only good for those who really don't care enough about Start menu anyways, bare and basic.
  • @aXross To be honest with you if Microsoft allowed users to be able place live tiles on the desktop. The entire debacle disappears - as those of use want to have live tiles can do so and others can use the small tiles as default instead of icons. For instance, if some one has say Whatsapp small tile on the desktop as an icon. When a message comes through they can have choice between the basic star for notifications or a functional small live tile - this would be a non skippable option in for the first OOBE - a small + brief video would display the options and how to resize lives tiles etc. Why a non skippable? Because 1)folks are lazy and don't read, 2)Microsoft is far too reliant on telemtry data when making usability decisions. A setting the start menu settings to force all place all tiles as small tiles will resolve the silly gripe some will have about having to manually resize tiles. During oobe, users would be asked which behaviour they want and problem solved. Default behaviour would be on for the numpties who don't read. Going a step further in terms of placing lives tiles on the desktop, a placeable and pinnable live tile drawer would allow users to have one section of the screen with tiles. So when apps are used full screen, users can unpin or have the drawer auto hide or have the full screen apps overlay ontop of the drawer. Plus By allowing users to place tiles on the desktop, we could have a virtual desktop with different tiles. Effectively different dashboards for different work flows. Multiple placeable live tile drawers will allow for true flexibility in dashboard creation for power users with multi monitor set ups. On a tablet or a laptop docked / connected by the hdmi or display port cable - users would be able to set a home dashboard for tablet mode with easy to tap buttons for pages (which is linked for each virtual desktop), tap + hold to scroll to the virtual desktop they want then release, to re-order - tap + hold a virtual desktop, drag up then move to preferred place and drop. To close a virtual desktop tap + hold then drag down. So in the end, everyone is happy. But alas... Microsoft and their knee jerk reactions...
  • Well sadly Microsoft didn't see this way. I was always wondering that these debacle for those who don't like Live Tiles and just want icons could be indeed at least have resolution by giving user a choice during OOBE. If they want just icons, then make Windows 10 Start Menu just small tiles or just turn off the Live Tiles aspect altogether. Live Tiles can be turned off, but Microsoft never gave an option to make it easy for user to have a master switch to turn off live aspect of Live Tiles. Well, the other camp of killing Live Tiles won, well there is Windows Widgets which is okay, except currently its limited, sluggish and not yet open to 3rd-party devs. There is so many things I do like with Windows 11, but sadly there is a cost and have to live with this inferior compromise with new Start menu, which not counting the loss of Live Tiles, other things like groupings, folders, Jumplist, and menu resizing are also missing as well. Windows 11 Start Menu now is even inferior to Windows 7 which at least had Jumplist. I do trust they may bring Jumplist back at least, I guess. Though folders and groups are questionable, since what they have demoed with Windows 11 annoucement seems to be what we will get. It seems it is already feature locked. Telemetry is great, it does felt like it get out of context. Windows 8 Start Screen were failure, but due to how it was executed. I bet if Taskbar, Start button, shutdown menu, and All Apps button were at least visible, the debacle may be less, not completely gone but at least it wasn't as confusing as it was with first release of Windows 8. Also Metro apps should have been run as windows on desktop, which was technically possible by Startdock utility at that time. Instead they backtrack many good things from Windows 8.X and made Windows 10 not great for touch and lacks UI polish. Live Tiles becomes second class and slowly become not as useful. Now its all history. We have to focus with Windows 11 and hoping under Panos, Windows development will be different this time.
  • I don't so much miss the "live" aspect of live tiles (apart from the weather). In fact, a changing background could make it difficult to find the right file at a glance. I do miss the tiles though. I have always used W10 start menu in full screen, and I loved the ability to group apps into categories and adjust the tile size by its importance to me. This made finding what I wanted so easy. And it was gorgeous, especially with the recent translucent changes. This is especially critical for tablet use. Having a little box containing a grid of identically-sized (small) icons pop up in front of the open windows is far less productive and appealing. I get that tiles are dead. I'm prepared to move on. However W11 start menu at least needs a full screen option, some way to group similar apps, and the ability to remove the distracting "Recommended" area.
  • Look, let's move on. I'm the greatest fan of live tiles and I'm happy to shake things up with Windows 11. That said, a whole lot of people should let go of a lot of archaic elements still present in Windows.
  • If anyone wants Windows 10 start menu should use Windows 10. It is high time Microsoft moved forward.
  • Couldn't agree more. If we keep doing what we always do we'll never see any innovation.
  • I would have liked them to go the Interactive Live Tile route, I would be fine with rounded corners on Live Tiles with interactivity. For me, it is more organized and productive, and I can do more "at a glance" instead of starting apps (but I guess that is what Widgets are now in Windows 11). I do see how a smartphone experience in Windows 11 is good for familiarity. So many use their smart phone or tablet as their primary computing unit and having too different of a UX in Windows would alienate many, as Windows Phone/Windows Mobile and Windows 8/8.1 did. Sometimes familiarity can stifle progress, or is it not progress if it is not familiar? There is no single UX that will appeal to everyone, but the lowest common denominator would be the tried-and-true icon grid, so go for it Windows 11.
  • The registry hack to enable Win10 start menu no longer works in the latest Win11 build
  • Indubitably!!! I need the windows 10 start menu but keep everything else in windows 11
  • No. I'd say it's not even needed for enterprise if my experience is anything to go by. The average user only uses the Start Menu for one purpose = To turn off or restart their PC. Occasionally to open Settings but few people use Live Tiles is the reality. They're only affective if you spend time to curate your start menu and going by the flashy mess most people's Windows 10 Start menu is few do. After the initial shock it's now centred it's a lot simpler and intuitive for the average user.
  • People said just the same argument as keeping the Windows Vista Start Menu on Windows 8.1 and again on Windows 10. The Windows Vista Start Menu in 2021 would look incredibly dated. Whenever I see someone using Classic Start Menu or whatever it's called I think what a luddite the person is. The sooner you accept change the sooner you'll have accepted it. Resistance just makes your life difficult due to stubborn resistance to change.
  • Microsoft caving to supporting every bit of code and hardware for decades is a big reason that Windows is in the shape it is. They are finally drawing a line in the modern sand on the hardware side, time to apply that to the software too. End the needless options and associated bloat to cater to 4% of the market.
  • Stop entertaining this ridiculousness
  • To all who say that Microsoft's sacred design should not be sullied, I say this:
    It is not Microsoft's computer, it is not your computer, it is my computer.
    My Start is organised with the app and specialised software I want arranged how I want them on a full screen for productivity. Organised is not ugly.
    As I understand it the Windows 11 solution is a small patch on the screnn in which icons for apps appear at random.
    You say that is pretty, I say it is pretty useless.
  • I should add that I start all appa etc, from Start. The only thing on my Desktop is Recycle Bin. So let me arrange my App icons how I want on the Desktop and I will never look at Win 11 Start.
  • W11 is not a small patch but besides that I agree with you, I prefer organized too.
  • I'm sorry, but I am on day 2 of using the new Windows 11. I cannot function without having a start menu with the ability to group applications. No it's not OCD it's ADD. I'm lost without this. Just sitting here forgetting what I was even trying to do.... :(
  • You can (already) do it through the registry I believe.
  • They killed it in the last little patch.
  • The W11 start menu misses clustering & grouping of apps, so yes W10 start menu should stay available till that is solved.
  • I understand peoples want to keep it.. But I think it's time to move on. And I'm a start fan!
  • The Windows 11 Start is such a joke, and a huge step backwards. I hate it.
  • I like the clean, user friendly, minimalistic aesthetic of the new Windows 11 Start menu. If the goal is to be more welcoming for the broadest spectrum of users compared to W10's start menu, I think it has a good chance of succeeding. The problem is, it falls short when it comes to the needs of power users. I agree with many others, lack of an app grouping feature is the primary show stopper and the only reason I voted to give people options instead of wholeheartedly embracing the new menu. I envision an app tagging system that would automatically create a smart app group for each tag created. Of course the tags could also be used for search. This feature would give power users complete control over organizing apps while remaining totally invisible and out of the way for those who don't need it. Feedback Hub suggestion: https://aka.ms/AAd286i
  • The problem is that a centered set of icons doesn't work with the right-justified system tray.
    Centered would work better if the system tray was at the top, like on a Mac (not that I'm a proponent, it would just work better).
    I'd prefer left-justified.
    JJ
  • Yes I prefer the Windows 10 start menu.
  • There was an article somewhere by a really good UX person who explained the problem with live tiles, can't remember it word for word but it said something about how it's a mistake to try to combine a portal of information with an application launcher. The downsides are it being difficult to quickly find an app when the tile is dynamic and changes all the time. I really agreed with that - and much prefer a clean dedicated launcher and a separate widgets area. I think live tiles were ok in the early days of Windows Phone on 3.5"-4" screens. On anything large, or desktop, it doesn't work. Look at the marketing photos for something like the Nokia 930, the start screen is totally overwhelming.
  • And on mobile you couldn't turn live tiles off, if they were live they would keep flipping forever, or until removed from the home screen. But it still made far more sense on mobile (especially with games siloed into the Xbox app on WP7/8). On the various devices I have with Win 10, the only live tiles I use are for the weather app - the others usually flip just to try to grab my attention away from what I want, which is pretty much to just launch an app. I don't mind the loss of live tiles but I don't like the new Start menu either. I can't pin enough apps or arrange them the way I would like, and the recommended part of the start menu isn't something I need.
  • So… it sounds like Widgets should be right out as well then (not that i really cared for either Live Tiles or Widgets).
  • As much as I dislike the Windows 11 Start Menu (especially for tablets), it’s time the Start Menu is retired. The reason we can’t have nice things (i.e. the UI problem Microsoft faces with Windows) is that people cling to the past too much. Hopefully we can move forward (and get something better than the garbage that is the Windows 11 Start Menu).