How Microsoft is prepping the enterprise for its folding mobile Surface

As I've stressed as far back as 2015, this device will not be a phone but will have telephony capabilities. It will run Windows Core OS, a modular version of Windows that can be tailored to device types but isn't compromised in power like Windows 10 Mobile.

Will Windows phone fans finally get the device of their dreams?

We've stressed that this device will not compete with smartphones (though many consistently miss this point). It will also be enterprise focused. Consequently, it won't be marketed to or positioned to appeal to consumers. Though you'll likely be able to get one.

Before launching this device I believe Microsoft would prime its target audience and the industry for the computing scenarios in which it would fit. In fact, if you listen closely to how Microsoft's positioning Surface, Windows Ink, and Whiteboard it seems that's exactly what it's doing.

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What it is and who it's for

The intended market is enterprise customers, who of course, work in teams often with remote members. Thus, this device will likely be a pocketable inking-focused Window PC designed for collaboration and communication (that exists alongside smartphones). Microsoft's positioning of Surface, Windows Ink and real-time collaboration tools like Whiteboard are, therefore, setting the foundation for this new Surface. Let's break it down.

During Surface creator Panos Panay's presentation of the Surface Pro LTE, he referred to Surface as a journey. This is an important point. He stressed how Surface "evolved" over time. Each Surface device is an aggregation of ideas, manifest in various form factors, highlighting specific features to serve particular needs.

Each Surface serves a particular need.

Panay said Surface Laptop is the most personal and luxurious laptop, Surface Book is the most powerful, Surface Pro is the most versatile and Surface Studio is designed for you to immerse yourself in your creations. He shared his excitement for what the audience would create on whatever Surface they chose. Since creating tools for the creation of content and technologies is Microsoft's mission, how it positions this potential new mobile device in the Surface family is important.

Evolution of Ink

Panay said of the Surface journey after the Pro two:

People were carrying … A laptop, a tablet a phone. This was a real challenge. People were walking into the store and ….weren't sure what to purchase. Pro three was that device that started removing conflict for millions of people.

The Surface brand's positioned to remove conflict by positioning devices that conform to context and serve multiple needs. Each generation of Surface brought meaningful change, creating unique experiences to serve particular needs. Windows 10 strategically brought Windows Ink which complemented the already pen and ink-focused Surface.

Panay shared that Microsoft is seeing an increase in customer use of inking with each generation of Surface. This is no accident. It is the deliberate evolution of Surface and Windows to optimize on a natural means of communication and recording information — writing.

Panay stressed the evolution of the Surface pen and the devices inking capabilities. He claimed that it is the fastest digital pen in the world. And emphasized its low latency, tilt capabilities, and its abilities to render digitally precisely what an artist or writer intended. He stated the importance of these attributes not only from a technical perspective but communicated the pens ability to capture emotion — especially in Chinese (calligraphy). Of course, writing is deeply personal and natural in any form. Thus, the pen's front and center in Microsoft's vision of computing. Panay continues:

Writing is part of who we are. It has been used for communication for generations. We see usage of the pen increasing at a rapid rate. More people are writing on screens than they ever have. Empowering more people to learn, to create and to produce in entirely new ways.

Collaboration with ink

Panay demonstrated how, via the cloud, pen settings such as a highlighter option he chose in one application are available in another. The consistency of inking capabilities throughout Windows and collaboration via inking are foundations Microsoft is laying. Panay stressed the pen, Windows, Office, and cloud would change the way people collaborate and interact via Whiteboard.

When you combine Whiteboard with voice you have real-time interaction with sight and sound.

Program Manager for Microsoft Hardware, Robin Seiler shared the challenges of visual collaboration for remote and local teams. Whiteboard as a cloud-connected, infinite canvas that isn't bound by location and uses intelligent ink that can be created by anyone with a pen was presented as a solution. OneNote Team Leader Eran Meggido demonstrated how team members could ink simultaneously on the canvas from different devices. He showcased the canvases intelligence as it recognized shapes he drew, created a table based on his rough sketches and more.

Interestingly, Seiler added, "when you combine the new Whiteboard with voice, you have real-time interaction with both sound and sight." In addition to collaborative inking, both connectivity and voice will be important features for Microsoft's initially enterprise-focused mobile device.

Why a pen-focused cellular mini tablet PC would be awesome

Connectivity and voice

Consistent with Seiler's emphasis on voice communication Panay stressed the Surface Pro LTE's cameras and microphones as important for Skype calls. Clearly, this always-connected device which he called the most mobile Surface (for now) is positioned to showcase voice communication as a meaningful, though secondary, feature. Microsoft highlighting the voice capabilities of the Surface Pro LTE, via collaborative tools and hardware features indicate it's positioning the brand and the platform for a device that will take advantage of these features on an even more mobile device.

Panos Panay called Surface Pro LTE the most mobile Surface and stressed voice communication capabilities.

Panay said customers want more connectivity so that they can collaborate from anywhere. LTE capabilities in the Surface Pro take that connectivity and mobility only so far. Panay's point hearkens to Window Chief's Terry Myerson's statement that Microsoft's continued investments in Windows 10 Mobile were for the development of ARM and cellular connectivity.

When we couple those investments with the company's evident efforts to build a more mobile Surface in the Pro LTE, connectivity between teams for real-time visual inking and voice (per Seiler) collaboration and the power of Windows 10 on ARM we see a clear picture forming.

Windows 10 on ARM brings Microsoft's ultimate mobile device into focus

The Surface journey continues...

Recent patent for Microsoft's folding device.

Recent patent for Microsoft's folding device.

When we add the context of always-connected cellular PCs which have smartphone-like battery life and instant-on capabilities it's clear a foundation for the initially enterprise- and inking-focused folding mobile device running Windows 10 is being laid.

As Panay said in his Surface Pro LTE presentation, Surface is a journey. And as the immersive inking experience of the Surface Studio was incorporated in Surface Pro LTE (Studio Mode), various elements Microsoft has gleaned from the Surface journey, I believe, are being forged for this new ultramobile Surface.

Finally, Microsoft is challenged with making a case for this device. With collaboration tools such as Teams, Windows Ink and Whiteboard, Microsoft's striving to change the way individuals and teams work. It's evolving a natural form of communication, writing, and merging a boundless digital experience with the modern collaborative work environment. It hopes to change how we see the power and role of writing in the modern workplace.

It's for this evolving context that I believe Microsoft's crafting its inkng-focused, pocketable Windows PC. If so, it may be a uniquely positioned Surface, the most mobile Surface, optimized for the foundation that's being laid.

So...

Will Windows phone fans finally get the device of their dreams?

Jason L Ward is a columnist at Windows Central. He provides unique big picture analysis of the complex world of Microsoft. Jason takes the small clues and gives you an insightful big picture perspective through storytelling that you won't find *anywhere* else. Seriously, this dude thinks outside the box. Follow him on Twitter at @JLTechWord. He's doing the "write" thing!

170 Comments
  • As a decision maker in the enterprise, nice but pass for now. There is little confidence in follow through if this gets thrown against the wall and doesn't stick as good as they hope.
  • The device isn't out yet. You have not seen or used the device or anything like it. These are all speculations about gen 1 only. MS hasn't even made its case yet. and you passed on it lol. Not too good for a "decision maker in the enterprise". I hope you don't actually take decisions like this. 
  • kojackjku, are you even folloing what's going on here? Comparing ZTE Axon M with this device (just based on patents and leaks) is absurd. ZTE Axon M is just a dual screen phone, it just had two screens that's it. So far no Surface device has been just a device. I personally would hope of something much more significant that something like ZTE Axon M.
  • The Surface Laptop was just a laptop.
  • Key in the article - IT'S NOT A PHONE.
  • I have ZERO confidence MS will be able to build an app eco system capable of supporting a small portable device. The device could be amazing but MS lack of eco system means it's DOA.
    Win 32 support is not going to be enough for a small portable device
  • As long as they have apps applicable to the corporate world, aka MS apps they'll be fine. No need for crap chat and bookface on the Surface Unicorn should it eventuate.
  • @swanlee i think you are confusing "ecosystem" and "apps". MS has a very good ecosystem. They have lots of integrations between email, cloud, and their apps, as well as deep integrations witb things like skype and even facebook. The ecosystem is strong. There is a problem with apps though. Many developers havent found windoes 10 appealing enough yet to develop apps for smaller screens (im talking about for W10M apps here). But it looks like that may not be a problem with this nextdevice as all windows 10 apps will work on it. (i.e it doesnt relg on W10M specific apps). 
  • That is Microsoft's fault. They have created and abandoned multiple software platforms in the last decade alone. Windows Phone 7 Windows Phone 8 Windows Phone 8.1 Windows RT Windows Mobile 10 And that's just the operating systems. They have also created and thrown away major frameworks for building software: Silverlight (with large incompatibilities along the way as the WinRT API matured) XNA Lest we forget, Silverlight is what Netflix used to run on. It was a very quick fall from its peak. I used to be a huge fan of Microsoft. I had every generation of Windows Phone and Windows Mobile and I have multiple Surfaces, including a Surface Book with Performance Base (pre-SB 2). I love them, but Microsoft cannot be trusted to create a platform that will last. And if it's not going to last, then I cannot justify paying the premium to buy them anymore. The Surface lineup costs like a MacBook Pro, but anything that is not inherently mainstream cannot be trusted to last more than a year with useful support (Windows RT had a second generation, but it was dead after the first). Frankly, I think this device looks pretty cool. But I am not going to be a first generation adopter of it because Microsoft does not know how to drive adoption, nor does it know how to get people to write apps for its ecosystem. The major apps that have arrived have been Win32-wrapped apps, which is useful (to manage it via one place without the annoyance of a classic installer), but it's not a good sign for Microsoft. These businesses are keeping a toe in the water, while happily writing things new for other ecosystems. Facebook's apps are extremely buggy for Windows, but not for other platforms, as-is Microsoft's own Skype experience, which is the worst chat platform that I have experienced in years. There's absolutely nothing wrong with UWP -- and I actually think it's a very good framework -- but no one important is committed to it, including Microsoft itself (!), and Microsoft has a very scary habit of throwing away such frameworks. When Word gets released as a UWP app, then I will be a bit more confident that it will survive longer. All of this circles back around to this foldable device: with so many hardcore fans burnt -- or scorched even -- by the mobile platform attempts, including Windows RT, why would anyone in their right mind plan to support it? The only chance that this device has at success is if it's so impressive that it makes Microsoft seem cool and it launches with a unique application experience that people have to get from the platform. If it's a unique take on tablets and smart phones, then it's going to get a timid response and Microsoft will discard it after two years.
  • I couldn't have said it better: especially the Skype experience.  I'm cautiously looking at this device. I really like my Windows 10 Lumia 950, but am tired of being burnt by their dropping palforms because of their poor marketing. I'm also getting tired of Jason's writing style and how it sounds rather condescending to the reader, but that's moot to the actual MS devices. 
  • Because those WinPhone, doesn't belong to Win10PC, Win10S and the up coming Win10ARM.
  • Nitish, where have you been, perhaps you recently just started learning about this stuff. Microsoft has poor track record of following through on new products. Think about it this way if your credit score has consistently been in the mid 400s, I don't care if your new job is paying you $1M a year, I still have zero confidence in your ability to act financially responsible..
  • Well he knows his business case n knows he doesn't need a new device category. Enterprises unlike consumers are not eager to jump on tbe shiny bew toy. I dont think this device will be bought in mass. Most likely will be limited to being a ceo device 
  • Naw. iPhone is the CEO device. This will just be a fanboy device like all the other Windows phones.
  • The new task list in phoeniX is actually more inefficient than its predecessors...
  • Well, let me add that MS has a history of announcing products, hyping them to the heavens and then either taking a year to release them to market or just doing nothing. Can I point you towards the list of phones that MS announced would get W10M and compare that with the list that actually did get it? Nitish, I do not trust anything that comes from MS any more and am now buying Android phones and Linux-based laptops. MS can go and play in the Beijing traffic! 
  • who gave you the power to take decisions? you arent the right person if you take decisions knowing anything.
  • If that was directed at me Vittorio, I'm the bloke who pays the bills in my company. I listen to the advice I get from my IT guys and make decisions based on what's going to be in the best longer term financial interests of my company. Right now my IT guys have not given me a reason to trust MS's plans and even they tell me that MS' history is one of shafting them.
  • As an IT manager, I'm inclined to agree with Akira X on his view.  It's less about what the device is and what it is capable of, it is more about whether MS is prepared to support such a device for the several year period it may take for it to gain traction in the Enterprise.  Enterprise doesn't always move at the speed of the whims of the general public.  We have device life-cycles we stick to as a function of budgetary constraints.  We have to think about moving people from one device and/or platform to another.  We have to think about training people on a new device, and being able to support it.  We have issues with having a non-homogenous device ecosystem in play.  We have to think about device exclusivity and whether or not we can source repairs or replacements in a timely fashion, particulary for C-level staff. I supported Windows Phone for many years, and while my company still uses it (largely in the hopes that the Courier comes to fruition), should we arrive at that point and the device either isn't what it is cracked up to be, or MS fails to support the patform, I'll have more egg on my face thanks to them than I can tolerate.  I'll have no choice but to abandon MS's mobile offerings in favor of alternatives. Should this hit market, I may lelect to get one for myslef, and suffer through the inevitable wrinkles, failures, and "Coming Soon" issues of the product for at least a year before I'd consider even thinking about deploying it company-wide, or even across tehg C-level group.
  • This is what it is in the real world, I agreed.
  • A realistic vision! Thanks.
  • True.
  • I"m inclince to think the way you do, macgyverated. 
  • I could not agree more with your key point, that MS has delivered a degree of mistrust that needs time, lots of time and performance, to be overcome. My feeling is like your's ... let Nadella demonstrate that his company is dedicated to anything, I repeat ANYTHING but his bonuses, for around 4 or 5 years before we come back on board. Until then I've been implementing Android platforms in my business and it will take a lot to get my company to reverse course. Nadella has lost my company's business and I suspect he's in the process of losing other small businesses. We may not spend the megabucks that multinationals spend, but there are plenty of us with burned fingers. So come on Nadelal, why should we stay with MS?
  • Agree with @Akira X.  I love new technology and actually moved to MS Mobile device with W10M hoping that, with one core, it would be developed ongoing, despite the fact it may have low market share, and I was burnt, like many have been.  The device looks like it could be a game changer, but like many, being burnt by MS makes more want to sit on the fence and watch for a bit.   Unfortunately, if we all sit and watch, the device will have low sales... Catch 22.  Sit and watch and low sales risk it being canned.  Jump in early and it doesnt take off, another burn from MS. Past experience will make this a hard sell, unless Enterprise really wants it badly enough to change from their existing systems to MS "always connected" devices.   I say Enterprise as I do not think many consumers will take the risk on a device of this nature without the app ecosystem to back it up.  My opinion only, and I expect others to have differing views.
  • Maybe tough for enterprise. But for consumers, many people buy new phones every 1-2 yrs anyway and they can switch from WM to Android or iOS. If I stop using my Elite x3 this yr and start using Android, I won't feel burned by MS. I got a good mileage out of the device. Tech is always changing. I don't feel burned by Nokia after using their phones in 2001-4, or using a Sony Ericsson in 2005-7. You just get the next tech that works for you. Loyalty is nonsense and so is fanboyism.
  • Seems to me the realities of the market are quite different.
    With all due respect to everyone, blindly repeating mantra "will not compete with smartphones" is like a comical form of self isolationism.
    Does anyone truly believe that you can ask people to put a telephony device into pocket and expect them not to compare it against their iPhone or Galaxy or whatever they use? Just because someone says such a device "will not compete with smartphones" is completely irrelevant when you ask people to make room in their pocket for it. Room already taken by a quite powerful smartphone they use every hour of every day. And the one they actually like. It is impossible to imagine that users won't like to know what value such a device brings they already don't have in the latest smartphones with dominant app stores.
    I maybe wrong and i'm ready to accept it, however, judging by how people around me and myself use our phones i'd be so bold to call it out - it' a fairytale. Everyone will compare it with smartphones.
  • Thank you for this comment, it is so refreshing to see a leveled opinion instead of msft fangirling.
  • Ya it's already a problem. I and alot of others already carry 2 phones, 1 personal, 1 work. Guess I'll have to buy cargo pants to carry 3 devices?
  • I agree it will most certainly compete for a place in your pocket or bag. But my guts tell me Microsoft isn't going to stop developing a device just because Dirtrot carries two phones already (me making a joke, please ignore my bad sense of humor). Yes it will (perhaps should) compete, yes it can be something new/different still. I thought tablets were absurd devices, too. I put my argument to rest when the evolution came along, being the Surface taking the best of both worlds. If MS wants to explore something new, why not just let them! Call it BS or absurd if you want to skip the first gens. Perhaps the device or it's evolution will finally please you. And ofc one should probably just buy a dual SIM phone before swapping one's pants ;) (again, joke, ignore). Childhood incoming: "What? TABLET is evolving! ... ... Congratulations! Your TABLET evolved into SURFACE!"  If you don't want your SMARTPHONE to evolve, just press B repeatedly. (not a joke)
  • I think you're absolutely right. If the user has to make a choice between your product and someone else's, you are in competition with them.
  • It is not 'self isolation'.  It is actually 'self destruction'.  Without smartphone features, the ultramobile Surface device would doom to fail.  Both Apple and Android vendors are working on the similar form factors but with strong phone support.  OneAndroid and OneIOS will soon emerge and start advancing into the territory of enterprises.  I wish that Panay would stand up and make a bold claim that this device is meant to supersede the smartphone and it will be the only mobile device you ever need in your pocket.  You can't give up competing before even trying.  Above all, the W10 mobile is different than W10M.
  • And that's why we will wait and see how the device actually comes out to be. Calling it a fairytale just by judging from stories and leaks is almost equally comical as saying "this will not compete with smartphones". IMHO though, I think the first gen will be classic first gen. First gen surface tablet, first gen XBox console, they didn't sell well as well. I think the scene will start getting more interesting in 2nd or 3rd gen, and specially when OEMs will start doing something around it. Say whatever, but the push that we see in 2-in-1 segment and devices that we see from dell, hp, lenovo, asus, acer, eve are all to some extent byproducts of Surface. So, surface product should not be judged like a regular product. And of course it will be compared with smartphones of today, it will be very interesting to see how MS handles it. I was listening to Chris Capossela the other day and he talked about changing work culture in MS. His idea was that this new MS would rather try out new stuff and fail than keep making and fighting with something which is just like what everyone else is doing and I personally like that idea. I'd rather see tech companies push themselves and fail than keep making same product and keep selling them in huge numbers. Sure, they have to stay in business and that's why it is expected more out of companies like MS which have resources to experiment with such things. But, this is not to disregard the fact that MS has a huge uphill battle in this space. MS can say anything, anything that goes in pocket and does telephony will be compared with smartphones of the day and they would have to make a very strong case for this device. 
  • Even if you can argue that the device will be a foldable small tablet/pc, MS can't change the fact that the device should compete with smartphones if it wants to be the actual next thing. Otherwise the smartphones in the other 2 ecosystems will eclipse it due to the lack of mobile oriented apps, before it can have the impact of its big brother Surface Pro
  • I compare my galaxy s8+ to my surface book, surface pro 5, and my Xbox one X ALL THE TIME. Why wouldn't anyone compare this device to a smart phone.
  • The only advantage is Microsoft doesn't use the word phone to remind people of their previous 3 reboots of their mobile ideas.
  • Thanks Mike for a logical response. As condenscending as Jason's articles are about this point, MS is notoriously bad at marketing, and I have little faith they can play this semantics game with the general popultion, no matter how much MS or Jason "lecture" to us. 
  • > Room already taken by a quite powerful smartphone
    I'm a Nexus user (as a programmer, hacker, I don't trust 3rd party ROM and custom ROM).
    I don't install anything new on my phone nowadays except a few new games e.g. CatBird, Beat Street.
    * trying out no-name email client day by day isn't my hobby and they can be done on Win10PCs. What I want to do on these smaller win10arm devices...
    1. docking on a gamepad for XPA gaming
    2. Inking instead of doing it on a huge Surface Pro during meeting .
    3. Quick Draft
    4. Occasional Photoshop
    5. OneDrive on Demand
    6. e-sim hot swap between portable and NB
    7. Prob no Unreal, Unity or Dx+Havok but think I can do some light UWP programming on these.
  • @Mike This is the problem! MS still continues to think users are a bunch of idiots. Well, they are not, in many ways. Give them this device, to any kind of user, average Joe or a techie, and they will ask you what can this do that my devices cannot? And what MS can say about it? Well, it folds...and the users will say, well F off then I don't need it.
  • Inking can't be the only lure to the ecosystem. MS needs to face reality that the Windows Store has failed to attract serious developers of traditional apps and services. Sure, they can do much with Windows Mixed Reality, but let's face it, the competition is catching up and MS has yet to release a consumer version of HoloLens. Windows on ARM looks promising, but I feel they need to add the Android subsystem and allow Playstore Apps to be run on the platform in a containerized solution. If the security is good enough and MS has all of the advantages of Windows including WMR, Pen and Ink, administration with SCCM and/or Intune, they could make not only a compelling case for consumers, but one for businesses as well. If they made the built in subsystem as protected as the current Linux distros, it may be a solution businesses my find attractive.
  • You are spot on.
  • Well said. I had to ditch my Lumia 1520 simply because the devs stopped making my home automation apps for windows. I was forced to switch to android if I wanted to continue with home automation. I got an galaxy S8, and while I love the phone, I absolutly hate andiod. I'm an engineer and let me tell you, android is junk. I may have to switch to apple, at least their OS works. Now, if I could have windows 10 running on my S8 and be able to run windows apps and andriod apps........ now you have a winner and I bet alot of people would consider the switch. Without the apps, any consumer based windows mobile (aka smartphone like) device is DOA.
  • Satya doesn't think business users and consumers are the same people.
  • @OMG55 . That in my opinion would stem from "logical empathy", based on categorisation and a afixed rule that one element cannot belong in multiple categories. The reason I say that is because his lesson on empathy was this: The interviewer asked him what would he do if he came across a child in distress and in need of help, his response was to call 911. The interviewer told him he should have embraced the child and made sure the child was okay then call for assistance, that was Satya Nadella's lesson on empathy. Empathy is both a natural and learned skill, natural empaths are able to project another feelings onto themselves whereas those who "learn to become empathic" do so based on set principles and unspoken guidelines used depending on the situation, which we would also class as social norms of ethical and moral behaviour. Lastly, Satya Nadella did say he was going to focus "on the duo user to do more", but he has backtracked substantially when it comes to Microsoft's own ecosystem, therefore completely undermining their efforts in the enterprise sector.
  • I agree that inking isn’t enough. I am not convinced that support for Android apps will do anything. Others have tried before to support 3rd party platforms as well as their own - it almost never works. You will always be one step behind the creator, in this case Google, who can, on a whim, implement something that can make your implementation stop working. Emulated apps will always be slower, more unstable and won’t support native features. Even Google itself has taken a long time to support Android apps on ChromeOS. There are countless other examples, such as a WINE on Linux and even the Linux subsystem on Windows.So to me, support for Android apps on Windows is a pipe dream. But you mention eceosystem and this is where Microsoft should have had an opportunity, if they had stuck with it. And by it, I mean things like Windows Phone, Band, Groove, Xbox TV, etc. If you wanted to go all in on UWP, I think you’d want to invest in device types to run it on? An Xbox TV (in the form of a stick or small set top box) without the hardcore gaming part, but ability to run UWP Store apps, to compete with the Apple TV, would have made a ton of sense, for instance.
  • I think it's different this time tho.
    Previously, you'd have to code, QA for WinPhone and Win10 separately.
    Win10 has user base but WinPhone doesn't. The new Win10ARM that's coming next year, big or small screen, are all part of Win10 family, and unless you are skipping Win10 as a whole, UWP is the only viable future. (And then there's IOT, AR, MR and Xbox)
    If you are a freshman, indie or startup, would you like to do your own installer, uninstaller, updater, crack-proof and your advertisement like enterprises did back in the day? Will user trust your non-name exe to do no harm to their system? Will you cleanup the rubbishes in the registry during uninstallation? I don't think so... The transition with Windows is much slower than Android & iOS because enterprise, business depends on it, but still, nothing can stop the transition. Old HW, legacy SW will die eventually.When transition reaches 90%... win7/8 and exe will be the minority… and they will have to adapt. MS will not revive win7/8. IT runs only forward. I'm a main programmer in a 4k+ employees game studio. We've just adapted many MS's business solution, we are changing our server side framework with C# instead of Jave (so that we can share code between client side and server side), most of us are still using win7 but, win10 appearance is raising. We devs use branded desktops cause it's more powerful, but business sidea people use NB and no one makes Win7/8 NB and desktop anymore. My next machine might be a win10, and sooner or later, we will prob be porting our games as XPA title like how Square Enix did with their Romancing Saga 2. And if we code for win10 (PC, S), it also automatically runs on Win10ARM, even those smaller screen ones.
  • Hp x3 was meant to be for enterprise.But ended up being a just good smartphone. for everyone.
  • HP x3 *was* a smartphone, not a windows 10 computer.
  • The X3 was a huge flop even in enterprise.
  • No one know about this phone, or was only in the Microsoft store, no cell carries had it at all.
  • @OMG55 ignore bleached, there is no point engaging him/her on a factual debate as invariably you will go round in circles.
  • You must have forgotten, that doesn't matter because HP can sell it to their clients through their salespeople. Don't you remember those claims? Anyways, if it was actually a great device, it would spread through word of mouth alone. Obviously, HP and Microsoft didn't think it was very great. They certainly didn't put any effort into this device. Personally, I found the X3 to be obnoxiously expensive. For that price, the plastic build and bloated size was a joke. It would never have done well on the shelf next to the Galaxy S, Pixel or iPhone.
  • We have received one to test from HP, as all computers in our company are HPs, but it was nothing more than a mehh device. Same buggy OS, same lack of apps and a huge price :)) So we said no thanks HP, not this time.
  • Another good read. Thanks Jason. I am excited about the possibility of the device you describe, because as an on the go presenter, educator, tutor, lector and consumer of information, my most important tools are a note pad and pen for scribing the short notes. The kind where it is quicker to jot down the info than it is to pull out my SP3 or smartphone. For me the lure is the digital pen, especially with all the advancements that have been made in this area.
  • i don't get what it actually does well? No personal/fun/banking apps so the person using it will have iPhone/Android phone. It's not a laptop or a tablet so tell me again why i want two pocket devices?
  • Exactly, glenc! While there would be somewhat of a new, cool factor it doesn't replace the fact that I need a phone with apps. Look. I can call using Skype from my laptop, Surface, or tablet which are all mobile in nature. That doesn't mean I don't need a phone. This device should be able to replace a phone or else it is a niche product. If this product gets realeased, will MS support it for the long term? There is some heartburn over how MS treated W10M, Band, Groove, etc. This is my worry. I wish I didn't have that worry as I would love this device IF it could replace my Android phone. Unfortunately, since having to convert back to Android from WinMobile due to the death of W10M, I now rely on many apps thoughout my daily routine. I won't give up apps because a device folds. I have a Surface, a desktop, and a laptop. They all serve a function and none of them replace my phone.
  • It'll be a true pocket PC with inking at its core.  The problem is the messaging is already baffling.  For whatever reason, MS and sites such as WC who carry MS's water, will shout down anyone who wants to see it as a next gen mobile device which CAN replace your phone.  MS seems to think "softening" the focus as a complementary device is the way to go.  Maybe they're correct and taking the focus off "phone" may mean their target, i.e., enterprise, won't counter with the app gap argument, but color me skeptical.  Just seems like MS wants to play it safe and shoot for the moon at the same time and that usually doesn't work.
  • glen, It has BankOfAmerica,twitter,nordvpn,myfreecams,facebook and games, what more do you need?
  • Are you joking or do you think those are the only services? They aren't even popular ones.
  • I really wonder if you are the type to fill up your phone full of the so called popular apps then never use half of them. I know apps are a problem on the Windows eco system but I do quite well on my Nokia Lumia 1020 upgraded to Windows 10 and have no need to change to the laggy Android OS, yes laggy tried even the Galaxy S8 and it's only on par with the 1020 on Windows 10 but well behind the 1020 on 8.1 for smothness and as for Apple the amount of times you press to open an app and nothing happens, not sure if it's true but I heard that's Apple's way of making you think you haven't pressed it correctly when in reality the app has crashed.
  • Simon, you're lucky. MS announced that I would be able to upgrade my Lumia to WM10 but, when I tried they told me to take a running poke at a rolling doughnut. Therein lies MS's biggest fault. They say one thing and do another. They must not be able to count because "Trust" has 5 letters and they seem to think that it only has four.
  • Mike, try thinking outside the USA. Other countries' banking systems have dumped updates for their Windows smartphone apps. Seriously, and I am not making this personal, Americans should note that they are around 300m people whereas the rest of the world is what, 4 Billion? That makes the market outside the US about ten times that of the USA. Allowing for the affluence of the USA, the outside market is still at least 5 times the USA. Nadella, given his genetic heritage, should have been much more aware and tried to think globally. That, in my opinion, has been MS's biggest mistake. 
  • need full BoA experience, 7/11, DunkinDonuts, Powerschool, Chase, iStrobosoft, Tonebridge, AdGuard VPN, Snapchat (i kid), Feedly, mySMS, Logitech Harmony, MSG Go (all the media apps), etc. but others want much more. 
  • This is all very well, but the article is silent about eSIM.It is the most exciting features of all that most fans want to hear about.
  • I'm not interested in eSIM at all. It stops me from putting any SIM card of my choice into the device. The providers have to be approved and it'll just cost the consumer more. Esim isn't very good either of you're often travel abroad. 
  • When abroad,the device just scan for available networks like FM radio stations are scanned.You just select the one that suits you.
    It's supposed to be so easy and convenient.
  • Esim seems to be legit not like this guy is explaining
  • Hi tukur I wrote that article a few months ago. Here you go: Microsoft needs to leverage partnerships, eSIM, and edge computing to position ultramobile PCs
    https://m.windowscentral.com/surface-phone-partnerships-esim-and-edge-co... 😎 Enjoy!!!
  • Jason bro, you just wrote almost the same article yesterday really trying to say you're the all knowing for years with "I said this, I predicted that" stuff all over. I hope it happens but at this point we have some new patents. Awesome. Let's see if something is actually confirmed by Microsoft for once first. 
  • Actually this article is nothing like yesterdays walk down memory lane. This presents how Microsoft may be building inking and collaboration in the enterprise as a context for this device.
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  • Nothing about this supposed device says enterprise beyond the operating system and thus wont have anything more than niche appeal. Its main USP is the fact that it folds and is portable, beyond that it does nothing better than the standard 2 in 1 which does everything else (inking, full OS access) more effectively and actually gives you full productivity while mobile. Every other touted feature is just a solution for a problem that has already been solved by either smartphones (portability) or 2 in 1's (mobile productivity). So who exactly is the audience for this beyond Microsoft fanboys?
  • The enterprise. Its enterprise focused. Microsoft is not really interested in catering to a small base of fans.
  • Has an enterprise only focus ever worked for a smartphone?
  • Jason, I'm a it director Ann's I can personally say, Microsoft hasn't done anything different with windows that it did with windows phone to convince users to user value windows. People just use it because they always have and I implement it in the enterprise. I keep up with the cool stuff show certain people I know will use it, otherwise all people talk about is Google and even vendors tell end users their hosted services will only work with the Google browser which isn't true. I've mentioned this to a local rep on many occasions to no avail. FEMA, wells Fargo, MyGov, and many smaller all recommend it. Microsoft is being dumb baggy ignoring good information from people like me who sees this every day.
  • @OMG55 It does not matter how many IT specialists like yourself keep telling this to MS and it's fanboys, because they refuse to understand and live in their fantasy world where every company will bow to MS and use whatever device they come up with, no matter how useless or not it is. MS can "target" this foldable thing to heavens and beyond, it won't matter as long as they have a proven record of ZERO commitment and lack of respect towards both developers and users. Trust is something you sweat for to build, but you can lose it in a glitch.
  • I don't get this 'enterprise' tag though, Jason. I am a consumer. I am a worker. I am a trade unionist. I am in many categories and wear many hats. I do not like having a smart phone, a tablet, a pair of laptops, a stick PC and a desktop PC. What I want, for all my user 'hats', is a desktop PC for power computing, a secure laptop for specialist tasks, and I want to dump ALL the rest for one Surface not-Phone device. To do this I want a pocketable tablet that can make and receive calls, can connect to a display/tv and USB-C hub if needed and can run all my Windows software (as well as being reasonably priced so I can actually carry the thing without becoming the mugger's best friend). Ideally I want it to be WinMR capable as well (but that might be expecting a bit much right now). In fact, the very existence of WinMR indicates the exact opposite of your point and shows MS is in fact interested very much in catering to a very small base of fans, especially as WinMR is the only real spearhead remaining for the UWP apps that must work to make the not-Phone viable. But I digress. WinMR dreams aside, such a device would suit all my needs for all my hats. If this is that device, as it looks to be, why would it be only suitable for my 'enterprise' needs? That makes no sense, unless there is a big down side I am not seeing. This insistance that it will only cover my 'enterprise' needs as a worker worries me as a Windows fan. If it is as flexible as it appears then why does MS insist that it cannot cope outside a strictly enterprise role? As a Windows fan I am trained to expect disappointment and failure from MS. This seems to be a possible feature here too but I'm struggling to see the form the expected let-down will take this time. What are your thoughts on this, Jason? I want this to work, but... the Nads factor is still strong and as a long time Microsoft victim and Windows Mobile survivor I am very shaky. Should I be scared or excited... or both?
  • My thoughts are that it will be enterprise-focused initially but will move to the consumer space in time. More to come...😉
  • Enterprise are the slowest adopters. Terrible choice if Microsoft expects them to become first adopters and propel this device forward. If it is truly good, consumers will adopt it and enterprise will follow years later. Again, Microsoft has it backwards.
  • Although I move forward with tech really quickly, you're right, most enterprises move very slowly if at all, but Satya, Terry, and Joe know best 😐
  • You have a good point here, Bleachy. You might want to print it out and frame it.
  • Enterprises are not dumb to throw away money on a shiny new toy. WC doesn't understand enterprises. Whenever u guys cant explain something u throw the word enterprise without ever explaing a business case.  Enterprises are abt budget and theres nothing this device wud do that a  laptop or phone wouldn't. They would rather ask their workforce to carry a phone n a laptop than replace both with this device. It wud be a niche. may be a ceo device
  • True. Microsoft don't care about Windows fans. They were the people in bars and workplaces that would pull out a Microsoft product with pride and advocate its use with friends, work colleagues and decisionmakers. They have now been burned by Microsoft strategic withdrawal from products. The fans now use an Android or Apple phone, Chrome, Google search etc. They are ex-fans knowing that the new Microsoft is focussed on Enterprise and they are not needed. That's ok. The bottom line is great. However, Nadella said he wanted Windows to be loved. For that objective you do need fans.
  • Ironically this may end up being the most honest 'smartphone' that comes out. Telephony as a feature instead of part of it's nomenclature and sales distribution, since that is how most of us use our phones anyway. I find myself using my pen with my Surface 3 when needing to take notes more than I use the keyboard. Newer pen tech is even better. I'm starting to get it. As for the market for this, I think the smartphone market is saturated enough where there could be serious interest and even excitement from the professional and secular consumer about something new and fresh, that does things in a way that you never realized that you wanted. Same for developers. As the smartphone has really plateaued, the industry needs this. As much as I should be negative about this considering recent history, I really can't be if I'm honest with myself.
  • I hope the Device is inking focused and has features that are NOT region locked such as tap to pay, enhanced bing functionality and Cortana's functionality. Digital Inking is much more efficient and natural as it enables you to just write and not have to worry about scanning or taking photos of your notes afterwards. The transition to natural interaction was an inevitable outcome, just like how phones went from a large portable-'mainframe' (yes, a hyperbolic adjective) to something that can fit in the palm of your hand, then large slab / candy-bar form factor. Life is full of transitional phases, you just need to know where to look. The other reason why natural interaction was inevitable is that using a mouse and keyboard may be the simplest but it's inherently inefficient as efficiency is primarily reliant on a user's skill set. Not to mention the associated injuries that occur over time - RSI, back strain, short sightedness etc. All of this is easily resolved with a verbal interaction method and natural gestures such as inking combined with glancing at display when necessary. But it is also user dependent and environmental dependent - whether you're using a standing desk to communicate verbally or just sitting down and to communicate verbally. This is where nature kicks in, we tend to verbally communicate predominately whilst standing up but again it's dependent on the environment. So for a seamless environment you are going to have always on microphones, cameras and sensors there are possible solutions but they are just theoretical. Plus you get into the boundary of ethical and moral arguments when it comes to always on microphones, cameras and sensors in a person's private space. A circular paradox. But the biggest caveat, is that this digital progress creates a major by product, just like any other cycle however in this case it is data. So who do you entrust to hold this data as well as to process it; unlike physical by-products it cannot be dismantled and recycled. This where the context and subtext really matters, data in itself is neutral. But since it is digital it is also rather malleable. It's far too tempting for individuals not to want to monetise on this new commodity and so that's where we are... an always-on-connected society powered by 'big data'. However here-in is another caveat the loss of physical skill of craftsmanship through automation and over reliance on convenience. The difference is many are not aware of it and therefore succumb to the false sense of security created through convenience. Thus experience atrophy be it when it comes to social interactions, memory retention, physical such as muscle degradation etc. To prevent said atrophy you need to spend time in re-acquiring what is lost, although memory retention is complicated one as it primarily depends on a person and their life experiences as well as their environment. My point is, life is the ultimate paradox and it's always a give and take, circular economy and perpetual one at that. Which is another reason why a smart-phone-esque-ultra-mobile-device- will be the defacto gateway of computing for a long time. Therefore Microsoft need to double down on UWP as it will enable them to branch out and it impacts an insane number of digital as well as physical elements. The UWP model offers the best balance between a sandboxed environment and functionality (albeit heavily reliant of Win32 API transitions).
  • I'd be enthusiastic about a 1st party Windows device that could replace my current Lumia, and this looks like an intersting possibility.  What's still missing from the story is, what will make the app situation better for this than it is currently?  My big complaint is the lack of apps from organizations like financial, airlines, etc. I don't use a smartphone primarily for phone calls, but if I'm going to have a device that's missing the ability to get a boarding pass or check my bank balance, why not keep the one I've got?
  • Wen in USA? Hahaha
  • This wasn't the surface device I was dreaming about. I'm thinking microsoft's journey is a clickbait with toxic implications. I can imagine now we're in a business-consumerspace where microsoft explores and the consumer is the guinea pig. A journey is fine, but every journey starts with a foundation to be able to make that journey. From what I've seen and experienced with the journey in the last 15 years, I'm not exactly sure where the start of this journey is. The surface phone aka the Courier device was supposed to be a creative tool with handwriting first. The problem I see is that windows is still designed from a keyboard and mouse input way of thinking. Microsoft has come far in the engeneering department for digital ink as an input method, but has come to a dead stop in the last five years in design. True immersive digital inking involves a pen and touch first UI and inline inking and ink-to-text conversion everywhere. Currently that experience is boxed in only a few apps and the handwriting pad. The latter which is a 15 year old model that needs to expand into the immersive realm of inline inking everywhere, just like how we use real pen and paper. That means not only journaling in corresponding apps, but that browsing too is as simple as few touches or a flick of a link or handwriting the adress in the browser field freely, no handwriting virtual keyboard like the handwriting pad anymore. Just a natural experience of handwriting anywhere on the screen. The pen engeneering is there. Microsoft has already got a cshell framework. It's time to translate engeneering into design, and let the legacy windows go a bit.
  • I think some poeple are missing the point.  MSFT's position with regards to this device was never to replace your smartphone.  It was to expand productivity via versatility the same way the Surface Pro 3 did when it was first released.  I question would be, if you are somone who travels a lot for work, would this appeal to you, or anyone else for that matter?  Five years ago there was no reason to select anything over an iPad with the exception of price point.  Now the question is, why get an iPad when you can get a Surface or some other OEM manufactured 2-in-1?  Also remember,  MSFT is still piecing the infrastructure of this device together.  It may use some form of VR and enhanced Continuum and Cortana features.   There is a world of possibilities. 
  • Exactly⛽⛽⛽⛽⛽⛽⛽⛽
  • I travel quite a bit. It could never replace my Surface Book because I can't be Windows productive on an 8" screen. 12" or more is required for a passable Windows experience.
  • Then don't replace it with anything... Who cares... Some of you guys act like if this device comes to market you will be forced to buy one, and give up your current device... It's such unnecessary panicky BS. JUST DON'T BUY ONE! WHY IS THAT HARD FOR YOU?
  • So don't buy one... Who cares?
  • You don't want Microsoft to make something useful? You want them to fail?
  • They are prepping them by chasing everyone off to Android and iOS first, then everyone will just du no their purchases and commitments and flock back.
  • ya me too lol....you spin me round round baby round round like a record player round round round round.
  • You know it's coming. He'll add it onto every second comment on this thread.
  • Nice write-up Jason...
    If I was Microsoft I would not sell this device to consumers for at least one year, and only sell to companies with fifty or more employees...This would give a clue and reveal how the product rising (or falling) demand affect its future existential and how it is received by marketplace...
  • I'm an IT director in the enterprise and I don't see how Microsoft is preparing me for anything. We used windows phone from its inception and Microsoft never supported the enterprise after Satya took over; he completely ignored phones causing carriers to do the same. They can't continue to ignore the fact that enterprise people use and depend on apps line arc gis, Police, fire, and ems specific apps.
  • @OMG55 MS fooled us too in buying their X50 Lumia phones, and we ended up with some unsupported, buggy bricks. Had to spend more money to replace them only after 8 months of mediocre OS functionality and lack of MS commitment.I am not a director in the IT department, but I do have a say in our standard hardware policies, including phones, and I will never trust MS again in the next 10 years. I'm sure you know that employees satisfaction is many times related to what resources you offer to them? I finally see some happy faces that they don't have to use those Lumia phones that never had any useful apps on them, and no, I am not talking about Snapchat, I am talking about hotel apps, booking apps, local transportation apps etc.
  • Windows Mobile was the best smartphone OS last decade
    Windows Phone7.0 was the best smartphone OS in 2010
    Windows Phone8.1, and the Lumia line, have been the best smartphones on the planet ever.
    Next, Windows 10 on a pocketable Surface device will make smartphones look like toys.
    ..............
    Windows Central is for Windows Fans, and Windows is the best overall OS for getting real world things done. That's why Windows Fans will always have the best devices.
    This is the reason that iDroid fans will never move beyond the current way of doing things, and why anyone who is here on Windows Central, just to disagree with this, is a Pathetic, Scared, Jealous, cheap Android, iPhone 3G having, hoping this Surface Device will flop TROLL.
    AND, ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THIS IS A NASTY STANK TROLL.
    ...
    Long live Microsoft, Xbox, Surface, Windows, Zune, and long live WP!... THE 93X, 1020, 1520 are the best smartphones ever made, and NOTHING better has come since.... Anything running Windows is the best, as will be this "Surface Scribe".
    WIDOWS FANS, AND WINDOWS PHONE FANS, ARE THE BEST FOR STICKING BY MICROSOFT, NO MATTER WHAT INSECURE TROLLS HAVE TO CRY ABOUT. WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE BEGINNING, AND WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE!..
    This new foldable Surface device will be the most functional, highest quality, and best designed, mobile device on the market. Finally a true PC with ULTRAMOBILITY!. And, it can't come soon enough. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THIS THEN YOU'RE A PATHETIC TROLL ON THE WRONG SITE. SIT YOUR ASS DOWN, AND KEEP QUIET, BECAUSE YOUR OPINION MEANS LITTLE.... Jason Ward was right, and wrong about nothing, so what do you have to say now?😂😂😂😂😂. If you haven't learned by now that Jason knows COMPLETELY what he's talking about then you have more than pathetic troll issues.. You've got mental issues.... Take your mental comprehension deficiencies back to iClone, and SheepDroid, Central... SMDH. If you're a HARD CORE Windows Fan you Rock, and thanks for sticking in there while MS prepares to bring you the best Windows on Mobile devices yet.
    Like I said, LONG LIVE WINDOWS PHONE! END OF STORY!😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😍
    And, Jason Ward... Thanks again for yet another terrific article. 🤑🤑🤑😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Thanks Jason.
  • Steve Adams, you didn't call $hit... You're not even smart enough to see that this was in response to your very own pathetic comment.
    ......
    "Crybaby"... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 But, I did just call you out for being a Pathetic Troll, and you just confirmed it.. SMDH please..... Go back to iDroid central. LONG LIVE WINDOWS CENTRAL TROLL. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 🤔🤔🤔🤔WHY? 😆😆😆😆
  • Of course.. Just answer the questions below... Or you have nothing.
  • "Thinks they do nothing wrong"... Don't know where you're getting that from, but oh well. Trolls will put words in your mouth... Sigh Either way
    .....
    Damn right I'm a fanboy.. I'm a Microsoft fan, on a Microsoft related site... I'm a HARDCODE MICROSOFT WINDOWS FANBOY, AND IT RUNS STRONG... That's exactly right, and that's what's expected. SO TELL US, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? TO DISCUSS YOUR IPHONE🤔🤔🤔???
    ......
    So, what's your point??????🤔
  • Still waiting to hear why you're here, and what your point is...⏲⏱⌚⏰🕰???
    .......
    Steve Adams then... "there is no device.. MS isn't working on anything. Nothing is coming"... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
    Steve Adams now... "Well, well it won't work. Nobody will buy it"😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
    Crying like a little baby, and $hit.
    SMDH. Just pathetic. Don't you know Windows on Mobile, and Surface, is the $hit?... Damn, son. 😆😆😆😆
  • You have no point, troll, so please. SMDH.... And, this is why, troll...
    1.. If you don't like the idea of this device, then why do you waste your time reading about it, troll?
    2.. If you are sure this device will flop, then why do waste your time talking about it, troll?
    3.. If you have no interest at all in this device, then why do come to these articles, and no other articles on Windows Central, troll?
    4.. Are you concerned with what other people buy, troll?
    5.. Do you spend just as much time on sites, or articles, dedicated to device you claim to like, troll?
    6.. What are you hoping to accomplish by saying that a device that's not on the market will fail, troll?
    7.. If I did the same thing as you, but on iDroid Central, wouldn't you consider me a troll, troll?
    8.. Didn't you say there would be NO device, troll??
    9.. Why are you talking like MS is making something NOW, troll?? Pathetic
    ............
    Now, either answer those 9 questions sensibly, and honestly, or sit down keep your mouth shut, and move on, troll. At this point you're stuck, and that's the only thing you can do. Now, entertain us with your answers.. ??????? We're waiting.❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓
  • @kojackku You might have something there.  Microsoft will give a half ass attempt.  Then quit.  They will.  They don't have the stomach for such things with the current leader.  I will ONLY purchase one of these devices if it has a superb telephone qualities.  NO COMPUTER!  NONE!   That is less than 12 inches in size is worth purchasing if its for WORK.  NONE!  I own a couple of tablets that size and one is a computer running Windows 10 and it's worthless for work.  Truthfully less than worthless.  But it's great for reading books.  And I WHOLEHEARTEDLY HATE using Edge on it.  I wish it had a MOBILE internet solution like my Windows Phones.  The best parts of Windows 10 is not even better than Windows 8.1.  And I use both daily.  As much I would like to see Microsoft succeed on this front, I have my reservations.  If this potential device runs like any of the 8 inch devices on the market then it will be a waste.  They need to ensure the software runs more like a smartphone.  Forget this computer nonsense.  It will be a failure if it's just a small computer.  IMO.  And yes.  I'm a Windows/Microsoft Fan!  But I won't be fooled.  As I enjoy the last 4 days of Groove it just reminds me how terrible and horrible Microsoft can be with their products.  Let me not mention the BAND which they had to refund my money after a couple of crippled BANDs.  Good ideas that they just don't seem to have any sticktoitiveness in maintaining or promoting.  I can hope for the best, but I'm doubtful. 
  • Nope... He doesn't troll... He states his opinion without trolling, or being unnecessarily negative like you, and the other 2, or 3, people that I ONLY call trolls, troll.... I just call you 4 trolls so much that it seems like I'm saying it to more people.....
    He's cool, and everyone knows Steve Adams is not. Quit trying so hard to make friends, and quit trolling on Windows Fans because you're bitter. Try again.
  • Do you buy nice things for your home or just the bog stard things that will do the job? I think I know the real answer.
  • You have no idea how much enterprise focus Surface pro 3 is.
    1. I use drawboard extensively to mark up and redline for my project.
    2. I use OneNote to collaborate with my team
    3. I scribble on my picture to get my message across my team to pin point the exact location.
    3. I do all my training handout using OneNote then office. Foldable phone with focus on inking like Steve Job use finger to navigate the internet and say "it just work". LMAO.
  • Man, let me tell you.. I CONSTANT juggle between my Surface 3, and Lumia 950, at work, and at school... My supervisor is convinced that my TERRIFIC scheduling, reports, and keeping up with just about everything, is because I have that Surface, and he thinks everyone should have one... As, a matter of fact.. Lol I was employee of the month for November, and some of these things came up.😆 If I could fit that Surface 3 in my pocket, and it made Phone calls, and received text, I'd be set... A Surface/Phone would be perfect for me, and millions of other PROFESSIONALS.... Here's what I could do with one right now.
    .......
    1. Run Persons net applications on it, which you can't do on a mobile browser, and I've tried.
    2. Run my Cisco PCPT training applications, and training material, on it,, which you can't do on a smartphone.
    3. Run the Cisco CLI R&S simulator on the go.. Try doing that with a smartphone.
    4. Run the Alan Bradley PLC programming software on it, so I can make system changes on the fly, from wherever. Would be especially nice from elevated areas where carrying less is a must. Can't do that on a smartphone, although I bet Android has a ladder logic app so you can at least view rungs. That would be cool from a smartphone.
    5. Totally be able to make A/F cell tuning changes in real time on my bike with real PC software. Would beat having to go home for each change. You can do that with a smartphone, but the FP3 is your only choice.
    6. Run our AV IP networking software from work on this device.. NOW! Once they see me do that, it will be mandatory that everyone has one of these.... Plus work has a device reimbursement plan for devices, and service.
    7. These are only 6 of thousands of usage case scenarios that professionals around the world could use a device like this for. A real portable PC, with pocketable portability.
    ............................ Jason Ward. Please do an editorial showing in detail how you could use this device, and ask others how they plan on using an Ultramoble Windows PC like a Surface Scribe, or one from any OEM.
  • You can fit that Surface 3 in your pocket. It is called Galaxy Note 8.
  • Bull ****.... A galaxy Note can't run **** important... Look at my list above, and please stop.
  • This isn't trolling?
  • If anything on your list wasn't less than niche you would be able to do it on a cell phone. Your list has no market or you don't know what you are doing.
  • @bleached Have you ever seen fanboys knowing what they are doing? They simply take whatever crap Nutella is feeding them and that's it. Rodney here is one of those 5 that will wait in line to buy this unicorn device, then doing nothing but stare at it because it has no mobile.on the go functionality....imagine him asking the Starbucks chick for a monitor and a keyboard to give her a friend request on Facebook :))))
  • So, I have a Chevy truck, a Mercedes car, a Jeep, and a Harley...... But, I don't need a Suburban.
    ............
    Tell me this... Why would I waste my time in a Chevy forum telling fans of Chevy Suburbans how much I don't need a Suburban, because I have all these other vehicles? Is anyone forcing me to buy a Suburban?
    Why would I, or anyone who isn't trolling, do that?
  • I heard you had a '95 LeBaron with an interlock device and a busted out back passenger window. As long as the tape deck works, amirite? 😎
  • That's dumb.. Make a comment that means something. Try again.
  • The irony...
  • You can say "the irony".. But, you can't say what you disagree with.. Your comments mean nothing. Stay on subject, troll, if you can... Try again, and explain yourself.
  • Right, so it's ironic because the person that floods the comments with dumb meaningless posts called a post dumb & meaningless. I thought that was fairly self evident, but I'm happy to explain to you.
  • This is the exact reason why nobody likes Steve Adams the troll.. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
    Now, your feelings are hurt. Look at you! Lol
  • Hmmm, I would maybe give up my 950XL for version 2 lol. The first generation would have to be fantastic for me to jump right away.
  • I would think a V2 would be a much improved on device. Imagine a V3!
  • too bad they stopped including the pen with Surface devices
  • But, are we sure the pen wouldn't be included with this device?
  • Rodneyej, you're taking the battle on your 'trolls' a little too far. People can be in disagreement with MS do an don'ts and still be on this site. I'm in the camp that hopes this product will be awesome, but others may feel differently. Also, no one needs to be right, you can have different opinions and live happily ever after nonetheless.. Just leave it be, give a thumbs down if you must and move on!
  • Thanks for your advice, but don't lose any sleep over it.....
  • Man, thankfully MS filed that patent, easy 3 years of every other day articles by Jason Ward til the thing gets released. Or canceled before its released. Or they're not even really working on it. Or it's only half designed like the patent and they just filed it to secure the hinge license. Or to preemptively secure revenue from Samsung... Such ridiculous.
  • Enterprise is the general public. MS needs to realize this.
    Noting will succeed without apps. I rarely run my desktop or laptop anymore unless I need computing power or decide to game a bit.
    My android phone and iPad have pretty replaced it like most of the rest of us in the general public which MS is forgetting about. Enterprise,,, lmao,, we are Enterprise MS!!!!
  • Well, you know that MS isn't getting mobile applications anytime soon, so basically you're suggesting that they don't even try????
  • If they aren't going to try hard, then yes, they shouldn't bother. Not supporting UWP then releasing a mobile device isn't what I call trying. Releasing a mobile device and expecting enterprises to suddenly become first adopters isn't trying. Building up your competitors platforms while denouncing your own isn't trying. Releasing devices years late isn't trying. Not changing your strategy after it fails for the third time isn't trying. I don't think Microsoft is lazy, they just don't seem to have a common goal or know how to effectively work towards a goal. They do not seem able to get everyone working together.
  • Even if MS does come out with it...will it follow through...or will it Zune, Band or W10m? Will Enterprises believe them if they make it...then don't support it? Personally, I hope it comes to fruition....MS still comes out with cool tech!
  • I'm wondering how much memory & storage will this device come with. Also, with carriers starting to build out their 5G networks, will this be able to take advantage of 5G, or, will it be a limited to current 4G networks?
  • 4GB, 64GB, 4G
  • If there is one thing that Microsoft should have learned by now is that Hype ≠ Help. If this becomes an enterprise success, good on them. Enterprise is not the next big thing though. It's was one of the last big things put on life support by consumer products. Unless all these good ideas will be exclusively limited to Microsoft devices, Alphabet and Apple will just move into the space and capitalize by bringing the same ideas into the consumer space where they already have the advantage.  In other words, Apple and Google will emulate what's good about it long before anyone feels the need to switch because of it. They are even killing their own buzz by hinting that the product that people salivated over and longed for (the Courier) is FINALLY going to be made...just not for most of the people who wanted it. I hope it does move the needle because Microsoft can't afford to many more missteps.
  • Won't survive without any apps
  • I love Microsoft 😊
  • the surface products so far all is premium build, high quality, with a lot of good feedback.
    i would believe if this foldable device come true will be a piece of premium device, too.
    i'm using android phone, but i don't really trust the android system security, thus i always use my laptop to do banking stuff.
    it would be nice to have a device that running full windows that can also replaced your phone.
    So to carry a phone is no longer needed, windows is so powerful to run almost everything, if u like android just install android emulator on it.
  • I just got forced onto android myself. Hating it. Winphone had a lack off apps (by comparison) sure. But the android apps are utter ***** and nothing but advertiseent holders and spyware. Not to mention battery life that suuuuks. I' hoping to cancel my contract as this device (galaxy note 8 btw) is unsuitable for it's intended use, falsly advertises battery life etc. I'm getting the up elite x3 despite microsoft planning to ditch it next year, with a low data limit service provider and I'll rely on WiFi and hotspots. As that is the better option compared to android flagshits with unlimited data. At least it runs all day and the apps are worth installing. (Nice example is no background Audio on youtube). Screen on only unless you hack a workaround. 
  • I have background YouTube and downloading and my GS8 has great battery life. People seem to love these phones and buy them year after year. You must be doing something wrong. I really question how you can use a Windows desktop if Android is too hard for you.
  • You know which Microsoft device made them a massive loss with its constant breaking under warranty? That's right, the bendy most mobile one...
  • Jesus, Microsoft's supreme leader is really out of his depth huh, lost the plot. Right now we have a UNIVERSAL windows platform, with only one platform, that never needed to be forced into universal. It's self defeating as a concept.
    Now they're having a pissy fit and throwing winphone to hell and claiming there's a need for this next act of utter genius. All we ever wanted was a cell phone with pc program (fk apps, as a name) capability.
    Even a fluid remote desktop with solid features would have worked perfectly.
    Let the pc offer scaling rather than the cell phone. Leave the cell as basic calls and text with the power all put to work doing the streaming. But no, ego ego ego. With nothing to back it up other than time and money. Not sure what he dropped in his teens but He's a lost in space job. Microsoft sort it out, stop stroking each other and brownnosing and learn to criticise yourself from the top down.
  • I want to believe!
  • Lol
  • Ok, fine but this is yesterworld.  If they include an Android Subsystem then it would embrace the present and future and be truly useful. Without an Android Subsystem it's stuck in the Tar Pits of the past and will suffer the same fate as the last creatures suck in the Tar Pits . 
  • Android subsystem doesn't solve anything.
  • Totally wrecks any long term growth for Windows. It would remove any need to develop for Windows. Ask Blackberry how it worked out.
  • If it's not a phone or a laptop then how does it solve a practical business problem. With an ultrabook and a phone people are mobile. An inking solution is a third device you carry but doesn't fit in the pocket like the phone form factor. It may run real Windows software but how is that better than a real laptop you are also carrying? I can see it as a e-reader or pocket notepad or pocket PC. The latter returning us to the PDA of 2002. So it has business utility. If its a PDA then it doesn't solve many real enterprise issues. Nice expensive executive toy though.
  • What ppl dont understand here is if this small device is so powerful that it could run the photoshops or visual studios, then y r laptops/surface pros still so bulky. The dreams are too far fetched.
  • I have wanted a Good Mini Windows 10 Tablet for some time now HP, Dell & others have sold them but not many are on sale today. This 2 screen Mini Tablet /Cell phone Hybrid if it runs Windows 10 on ARMs and has Contiuum software to connect to a large monitor woud be a NEW device that fits right between the Smart phone and a full sized PC Tablet.  It would run some PC Win32/X86 programs & the thousaunds of Apps that are in the Windows 10 "Microsoft Store" so it wont be a useless device when it comes to the market place. Not everyone will buy one but enough people will buy them and will have good uses for them to make it worth Microsoft's efforts to make and sell them. 
  • Correct me if I am wrong but on a smartphone if you need to call someone doesn't the screen close to the background and you have to bring it back up after you have placed the call to continue what you were doing when you made the call?  Wouldn't it be better to be able to simply open a small window in the corner of the screen when making a call leaving what you were doing open and visible?  Windows will allow you to do that on a pc but not on a windows phone.  That is what will be available with an always connected device that is a computer first and able to call secondary.
  • Great point Tom but MS has ratted on too many consumers and,  indeed, companies to ever be trusted to not throw us under a bus again. Trust takes a long time to build but a microsecond to lose. Nadella has totally, and for a very long time, destroyed trust in MS. Still, I guess he'll get his bonus.
  • Folks some of the patents show ths device may have 2- 16 by 9 shaped Screens like a smart phone so it could be a 6.5 to 7 inch Windows 10 mini Tablet with thin side bazels so it can fit in a man's pocket. Microsoft's CEO killed Windows smart phones because of low sales so the closest thing to a  Windows smart phone people will get to buy will be this 2 screen Mini Tablet / Cell phone Hybrid  it will do everything People wanted the Surface Smart phone to do in another form factor 
  • Gregory, the Nokia Lumias were selling around the 10% share level outside the US with SFA marketing from MS until MS dumped the OS. The littel man, Nadella, seems to have lost the plot and, in doing so, has doomed MS to follow IBM to computing irrelevance. 
  • Windows Phone works fine.  I do not care if there is a new version.  The one I have meets my needs.  When the battery dies, I will buy another.  I am not certains as to why people pick on Microsoft.  Sony, Dell, your company name here, all phase out products.  Try to buy a new 2010 Sony TV.  Duh. However, I did get burned by Silverlight.  I blame Apple, not Microsoft.  What Apple did was pure evil.
  • https://twitter.com/h0x0d/status/943653380773122048 Now you are getting burned by UWP. No more SDK updates for Windows 10 Mobile.
  • make this into an LTE device and heavily advertise Skype or Facebook calling.  No more getting tied to AT&T or a single company like the rest of the Lumias were.  Their was no way I'd go back to AT&T.
  • Why? As written up here, what does the foldable do that a laptop/2in1 not do? Oh, it's telephony enabled? So are laptops. Inking? Ditto. So I repeat, why? It seems to me that Nadella has decided that he's beaten in the consumer space and, with tail between legs he's now taking MS down the same path as IBM.
  • Because you can carry it in your pocket unlike a laptop 2/1. 
  • This foldable thing just looks like a mini-tablet (with telephony). How is it actually ground-breaking?
  • Because its a folding tabet you can carry in your pocket.  And if it does actually run full Windows on ARM then a full PC/tablet/phone in your pocket. 
  • If this running full Windows couldn't you also use an android emulator on it?
  • what for do you need Android there?
  • With this, third party apps can be written once for all Win10 device formats. I think we'll then see more Windows apps that are not only Android and IOS.
  • Hey mate, Just a quick question - if you dislike this device, why would you buy it? If it's a phone for you & you don't need another phone, no one is forcing you to buy it. Just saying. :)
  • Can we please just get windows on arm first, so the UWP platform can bloom?  Then you'll be perfectly positioned for your foldable enterprise device. 
  • I love the thoughts and possibilities expressed here, Likely this will be a replacement for my Samsung 8" tablet. two things: 1) I would love some rumours on size (folded and opened) 2) I hope some other manufacturers make a Phone running the OS - I believe that if the "foldable, pocketable, always connected, non-phone PC with telephony" makes it to the market, then some other manufacturer could fill the gap with a High level phone.
  • And what company would be dumb enough to ever trust MS again in mobile after their monumental FAILURE!?