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Lumia Denim still planned later this year for some Lumias, early in 2015 for others

In a bit of non-news news, many Lumia owners are wondering about the status of the Lumia Denim update. Some sites had reported that Lumia Denim would begin rolling out sometime in November, but such claims have since proven to be false.

However, Microsoft did note in September that at least some Lumias would get the update by the end of the year, with older devices continuing into 2015 as carriers approve the update.

Today, there are two bits of information to add, although some context is needed. First up, news site Puhelinvertailu is reporting that Denim is not due until early next year, implying that the Q4 time-frame has been pushed back.

The source of the Puhelinvertailu article comes from Facebook where the Microsoft Lumia Finland account responded to an inquiry from a customer:

"Denim päivitys lähetetään kaikkiin Lumioihin, joissa on Cyan, ensi vuoden alusta lähtien operaattorien testien jälkeen."

Roughly speaking, the translation states that those phones with Lumia Cyan get Lumia Denim early next year after carrier operator testing.

However, this statement in and of itself is nothing new. Indeed, we reached out to Microsoft today regarding the update and whether or not it was still planned – at least for some devices – for December. As of today, it sounds like things are still on track:

"Lumia Denim update is being tested in selected markets ahead of broader rollout, which begins later this year as planned. It is expected to be available for all Lumia smartphones running Windows Phone 8.1 early 2015, following partner testing and approvals."

In other words, to our knowledge nothing has changed.

The first phones expected to get the Lumia Denim update include the Lumia 930 and Lumia 1520, as the Lumia 535 , Lumia 73x and Lumia 830 already ship with the upgrade. Still, some carriers like O2 do not expect Denim until that 'early 2015' date and our guess puts most Lumia users in that category.

Previously, AT&T was the first carrier to roll out Lumia Black nearly one year ago for the Lumia 1020, so it will be curious to see if they once again lead the pack with Lumia Denim.

Lumia Denim brings numerous imaging enhancements to PureView Lumias, including passive-listening 'Hey Cortana', 4K video, Rich Capture (Dynamic Flash, Auto-HDR), latest-generation imaging algorithm along with the most recent version of the Windows Phone 8.1.1 OS. Recently, some users reported having the Lumia Denim update on their phones, but this is due to a bug with Extras + Info.

Thanks, palmujukka, for the Finnish story tip

Daniel Rubino
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Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

  • Hopefully it will fix this group messaging glitch on my 1520
  • Oh my god I hope so!
  • Agreed! The bug is frustrating!
  • They have special shampoo for bugs.
  • Agreed, although the glitch only occurs once or twice a month for me.
  • Were you able to fix it?
  • Yes, my thoughts exactly. Bugs the hell out of me, to the point where I've spent hours on the phone with AT&T to see if it was a connection settings glitch in there end. I'm glad I'm not the only one that had this problem.
  • Care to explain what the bug is, exactly?
  • No idea here on my 1520
  • Sometimes, group texts mysteriously included my number in the list of recipients. So every time I responded, I'd get a duplicate copy of my text. It was very annoying, but it only came once or twice a month, and after a few days, it would stop. The only quick fix I found was to turn off group texts, power cycle the phone, then turn group texts back on. It is definitely not a permanent fix, but it has worked for me every time.
  • ha, I would kill for that "bug" my L920 (which is two months old) gets really hot, battery drops like a rock (about 2 hours and its dead from full charge), its been back to Nokia several times. I usally notice it because my pocket is burning hot, a reboot fixes it. Usually have to reboot it 3 times a day...pretty annoying, Nokia support is not that great either.
  • Have you tried the Lumia Rescue Tool to basically reflash your phone? I posted in the 920 forum yesterday about my experiences. I had your heat issue plus many more. I used the Rescue tool and now all is working well and has been for about 1 month.
  • Yep, I have tried it multiple times...still waiting for a call back from Nokia...they are pretty slow about repairs
  • The bug is that when someone replies to a group text your number is included. If you tlreply in that thread the text get sent to you as well as the group.
  • I'm really torn here. My 1520 had the phantom touch, and now my warranty replacement is already showing signs. Tempted to ask for a 830 or a htc one for replacement. Ugh.
  • Re: BSobotta,
    May I ask, what exactly is a phantom touch?
  • The screen will act as though someone is touching it in random places. It can launch apps by itself, or cause other mischief. I think it's because of how large the 1520 is, it gets tweaked and causes this to happen. People have reported that bending their phone can sometimes get rid of the problem...temporarily.
  • Experienced the phantom touch thing on my 625 as well. I don't think size matters in this case.
  • I have to the touch I just put it down to sensitive screen, my screen has been freezing lately on my 625. Also since Camera changed to Lumia I have taken a couple of photos but can't find them anywhere, also my video been strange on play back. I'm on dp with update 8.1.1
  • My 720 has the same problem, not sure if it's after 8.1, or 8.1.1.
  • This normally happens when I use the the double tap to wake the phone.  All I do is hit the power button, then rewake the phone no issue.  It's either a firmware issue or software on the double tap to wake.  You can always disable the doublke tap to wake and you should not have this issue.  It gets buggy for me 2x a week so no biggie.    
  • Thanks for the suggestion. This seems to have cured my "Phantom Touch" issue for now. Hopefully they fix this issue so we can use double tap to touch in the future.
  • Im with you, its so awesome.but it has alot of.issues, especially typing which is ironic because I thought it would be the best due to.its size. I hope they learned and fix all these issues on its successor!
  • My 1320 also suffers from this 'Phantom Touch' and the frequency of its happening is increasing day by day :(
  • I've only experienced the "phantom touch" when my 928's screen was dirty/wet. Or in contact with some type of metal that drew interference. 
  • I tooo have had the phantom touch issue on my 1520. Good to know it's not just my phone. Annoying though. I love this phone and done want to get rid of it. Come on Denim!! Get here and fix some stuff.
  • I get an occassional problem with screen but its always after long periods in my pocket. I just place thumbs starting at top ( on each side) and give a firm squeeze (both sides at same time) top, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 bottom and all the over sensitive stuuf goes away. takes 3 seconds so not a big deal or dont put in pants pocket.
  • Everything is glitching on my 1520 it's ridiculous.. I have to get another one.
  • This! I cant even send a group text anymore!
  • heard they were fixing this in the khaki update. ^__^
  • That's not the only bug with messaging at least for me. Not only does my number become included ina group text, but I can't send any myself. It won't let me create my own. I can live with the duplicate text but not being able to group text, I can't.
  • I recently got a 1520 and I'm wondering if the glitch you're talking about is the same one I'm having. Is it where your own number shows up and replies in the group message....after you? 
  • Yea, that's the one. I just got my 1520 last week, and got this surprise...
  • Let them take their sweet time I already switched to Android, never using WP as a daily driver again.
  • Let us know when you get lollipop...
  • HAHAHA! WIN :'''D
  • Sooner than you'll know anything concrete about Windows phone 10 that's for sure. :-)
  • Lollipop SUCKS!  I put it on my Nexus 7 tablet and now it's CRAWLING slow!  There is literally a 3 to 4 second delay in opening anything on my Nexus 7 tablet.  I'm going to have to flash it back to Jelly Bean because KitKat was slow on it as well!  It seems that with every Android update, the system requires more and more resources to work and older devices get laggier and laggier!  I'm so over Android.  My Windows Phone is smooth as butter.  I'd rather take some of the glitches in Windows Phone than deal with the laggy crap of Android!
  • Not surprised if it's the 2012 version with the crappy NAND issue that plagues it thanks to Asus and its fairly easy to get Lollipop with many carriers and manufacturers already setting dates for the release of Lollipop on their phones, plus with custom ROMs out there, you can easily root and BAM, Lollipop Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Group messaging has NEVER worked for me since the days of WP8.0 on my L920.
  • with my l1520 the stock cam tap to shoot doesnt work, it just shoots without focussing! Terrible, i had it fixed and nothing! Just not fixed what is Nokia or MSFT customer care doing?!
  • and the bug that causes overheating and random turnoffs in some WPs
  • Nice although i really wish they had announced new apps when they announced denim like they used to specifically snapchat cause i just go locked out of my account
  • That's funny because I already have the Denim update (after waiting months for Cyan on T-Mobile)
  • I highly doubt you do unless you bought a Lumia 735 or Lumia 830. Read the last part of the article.
  • Hey Dan I got a att 635 pay as you go phone to use it when running and after I synced my band to it I was asked to be part of a preview for the Band and it updated my phone to Denim. I can show it to Sam next week when I go to Redlands for work.
  • You don't sound like a crazy person AT ALL.
  • The exact same thing happened to me. Got my 635 on Friday. Synced it with my Band. As it set up the sync, it asked me to be a part of the developer preview to unlock extra content for my band. When it went through the 3 different updates, my phone says it has Denim on it. Now, this may be the same glitch Daniel is talking about, but mine is showing it only after going through that special process with the Band.
  • That's a "glitch". It says Denim, but it's not.
  • I do, I have a Lumia 925 and it says I have Denim, unless I'm reading it wrong
  • Read...the...article...
  • What does reading say anything, she got it case closed Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • READ
  • I'd like to exactly when 925 will get this update. Isn't the 1520 getting it first as well? I may just fix that screen and use it if that's the case. (I've read the articles guys it just slipped my mind as I was commenting don't get mad)
  • What phone and carrier do you have? I know a lot of people thought they had it a couple of weeks ago but they didn't.
  • The Lumia Icon is still listed as Under Development for Cyan. So maybe by March or April for Denim, if we're lucky, noting Verizon's time schedule.
  • You meant March or April 2016, right? We're talking about Verizon here.
  • That's just for Cyan. Since the phone is D/Ced it won't get Denim.
  • Cue the madness! Though I have to say, can Microsoft be more deceitful? Never mentioned anything about 2015 before, just "Q4", now its "2015". They really should stop announcing updates that take many months to be released.
  • Uhh cyan isnt even on many of the phones yet
  • Just Icon...
  • I have a 1020 and 930 and both are running Cyan. I'm pretty sure the 530 sitting at home has it to (would have to check)
  • Not just the Icon. All three Verizon WP phones don't have it.
  • That's all Verizon's fault. They pushed it back to MS just because of their shitty Verizon apps that no one uses.
  • I know. I'm just saying it's more than just one phone. The mere fact they think that they, as developers, take precedence over the release of the firmware is so obnoxious to me, as a developer. That's not how it works. That is the most inconvenient and selfish attitude you can take.
  • I know what you mean, i look at the junk att installs and all i can do is shake my head.
  • I don't buy it one bit. Its a lame excuse. I think the apps work fine they just want to drag their feet. Think about it. They sell the HTC One M8 for windows with 8.1 installed. Obviously their apps work on that or they wouldn't have sold it.
  • But it's not 8.1 they rejected, it is Cyan; which is something the M8 doesn't run since it is not a Lumia.
  • And 810 and 822...
  • Only Verizon. Everyone that is going to get it already has it everywhere else.
  • When have they said the rollout would finish in q4?
  • They never said that. They said "to be rolled out in Q4" which will be true as long as roll out occurs. The term "roll out" itself will mean it will keep rolling out for few months till there is no phone left to roll out on. If you check on update pages, many many Lumia 1520s across the globe still are under Cyan roll out phase. It's gradual.
  • Hopefully ATT wont postpone their L920 update like they did for Black.
  • Considering its age, I don't think it will be a priority. You might have more luck with a 925.
  • Wew I thought it is coming this December
  • If you are a Verizon customer, don't expect it until late 2017.... Can't wait to no longer be a big red customer 5/2015.
  • +Icon I'm going to TMobile as soon as they get a flagship Lumia
  • I guess you aren't going to T-Mobile then. You could buy a 1520.3 (AKA the 1520 RM-938) it will work on TMo.
  • I feel ya. I was in your shoes and now very happy with at&t.
  • Dumped Verizon for the Lumia 830..fantastic phone and ATT Support is awesome.
  • Can't justify dropping my Icon for anything right now. :/
  • Couldn't justify supporting a crappy carrier like verizon after this mess. I dropped my Icon for a 1520 and couldn't be happier.
  • +928. 6 months to go.
  • One more wrong move by Verizon & I'll ditch them for T-Mobile HTC One M8. Can't lose since they're willing to pay the ETFs.
  • Does not releasing Cyan tomorrow on their Windows Phone fleet count? :)
  • We are looking at changing to AT&T.
  • We'll probably get it in late March (T-Mobile)
  • High hopes for February
  • Late 2017 for some *Lumia Icon
  • That is quite a bit sooner then never. I would put my money on never.
  • Its discontinued, so I doubt it will get denim.
  • Dying for some new features. On dev preview. Kind of exhausted with updates that don't offer much
  • Ridiculous Microsoft. That's why I think of switching to the iPhone.
  • You're unrealistic...
  • I'm switching to the iPhone 6 in january, althogh I really like my Lumia 925 I'm tired of waiting...
  • IPhone gets 1 update a year. Windows phone at least 3 this year alone. Such short term memory we have...
  • Unless you have a Verizon phone or the TMo Lumia 810...
  • The iphone 6 launched with 8 and has recieved 8.0.1 and 8.0.2 already. That's 2 updates already. I hate apple and the iphone, but don't say it doesn't get updates.
  • iOS 8.0.1 and 8.0.2 are not "updates," they are "fixes".  There is a difference.  An "update" adds functionality to the OS.  A "fix" corrects problems with the OS.  All 8.0.1 and 8.0.2 did was fix issues that people were complaining about in the iOS 8 update.
  • What he said ^
  • Like Windows never gets bugs or cause problems smh Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Oh, you're tired of getting updates?
  • I agree. I've been with Windows Phone since 7. I've devoted a lot to the ecosystem, and it's just been a waiting game the entire time. It's absurd. It's boils down to fantastic ecosystem and support for me, and Windows Phone has taken up too much of my time and money waiting for these two things to change. Yes, ecosystem as far as apps has changed dramatically, although, the support for those apps is atrocious. Having an app for a device is one thing, support is another.
  • +920
  • Hopefully this will resolve "resuming..." on the 1020 and 1520 after the last update...
  • It could been software issue. Whatsapp keeps giving this annoying resuming while the latest wechat doesn't. Since yesterday's wechat's update. I stop seeing resuming on wechat (excluding settings) any more, but whasapp still gives lots of resuming in the same time
  • Funny, reading down this forum I have not experienced a single glitch or issue you guys describe on my 920 and 1020 both are on the developer preview though. could these be bugs with cyan? if so switch over it is free and updated more frequently. ciao ^_^
  • They needed to fix my Cortana it don't work without my headphones
  • You are mostly on 925 and it's a hardware issue
  • Is he mostly? Is that a new word to save alphabet letters? Are they expensive on your plan? I'm just wondering?
  • Nope mine works like a charm...
  • you mean to tell me they're still on schedual after announcing this in september....shame on you microsoft i would've preferred to hear they didn't play to have to wait this late but oh well. I just want my 930's battery to last a day *shrug*
  • And even the phones that have, supposedly, the Denim update don't have the Denim features. The 830 lacks everything related to the new Nokia Camera.   As for the update itself...well, so much for "we need the hardware and software teams together to work better and faster". As with all Microsoft does, it's "coming soon™"   Honestly, they should stop announcing updates months ahead of them being ready.
  • "As for the update itself...well, so much for "we need the hardware and software teams together to work better and faster"."
    Integration is still not complete yet as both groups use different software, etc. I'm not sure why you think this would be easy to accomplish. They are certainly doing better today than they did months ago. The only reason things seem like they are always "coming soon" is because everyone here in comments hangs on every word, every rumor, every early announcement. If you were part of the Android crowd those things (including apps and games) are still "coming soon" too. Even today, I'm trying this Lumo Lift connected device. iOS app? Check. Android? Nope.
  • So far development has only slowed down after they bought Nokia. They have yet to prove that things will speed up. I'm sorry but with my Lumia 920 it feels like a long wait for a worthy successor in late 2015 with Windows 10. :/
  • Late 2015? Where have you gotten that information? I'm with Dan on this one... We have a very spoiled community, and the speed Microsoft is moving at is why we have phones that work perfectly from $99 to $600 which is unique.
  • W8 consumer preview came out in late February, and consumer availability was in late October. With W10 consumer preview rumoured to start in January, it's not a stretch to assume consumer availability in September.
  • ofcourse they slowed down! They have to merge an entire dievision that microsoft neve rhad into their current workflow, how can you realistically not expect a slowdown? Let alone expect them to speed up...
  • Makes sense. It takes time for a big move like that. I suspect they will speed it up next year.
  • WP8.1: April
    Cyan: July
    GDR1: End of July
    Denim: ??? Even GDR2 is kinda late. I think we won't have it (like MS did on PCs to focus on 10)
  • I agree. GDR2 should be released this year since there's a huge possibility we will get Windows 10 consumer preview for phones early next year, maybe January?
  • I remeber evleaks (RIP) say that GDR2 will come in november :(
  • The deal closed on the 25th of April. They had enough time to, if not fully integrate, integrate enough to quicken the pace. Specially when they just had to integrate half the 25000 employees they got from Nokia's ex-D&S division. Actually, just look at the app situation. The only updates that were issued to the former Nokia-apps where updates to rebrand them. Nothing else since then (apart from the return of colour-pop on Nokia Creative Studio). So, sorry, but I think they are certainly doing worse.   Also, they announced a firmware update in September that is only arriving in 2015 broadly. Firmware. And it wasn't people hanging on rumours. They threw an event at IFA. And even the phones they announced that would "already be shipping with the Denim update" don't really have any of the advantages of the Denim update. If they were not ready, they shouldn't have made a fuss about it.   Lastly...I am part of the Android crowd. You know I switched my daily driver to Android (albeit keeping the Nokia 1020 as a dedicated camera). But we're talking different leagues here. I think you could do better than bringing up apps to compare.  Because if we're going to compare the app situation, we both know how bad it will go for Windows Phone. You could have brought to the table to compare with WP's endless "coming soon" updates, Lollipop. But then I would argue that, unlike Android, every Windows Phone update is much more crucial because of how behind WP is the other platforms. (Well and Lollipop is already reaching Android devices).   On Android, Lollipop is mainly esthetically (and horrible at that IMO, but you probably disagree on that). On WP, every GDR, every firmware, is important to enhance and build up the OS. If they don't have it ready - which would be acceptable - they shouldn't announce it. Or at least don't announce it on the launch event of phones which WILL have more coverage than just "tech press".
  • I work at an ISP that has a habit of purchasing other small ones. We bought one 2 years ago and still haven't finished integration. So, "plenty of time" since April may work in your head, but in the real world you have no idea of what's involved.
  • I bought a Lumia 830. In a video add it is presented with HDR camera, editing video software etc. Now I see that the add is from the future.  Oh, I watched it over and over. At the end it didn't say "Coming soon™..."
  • I can just imagine. Just got my 920 updated with Cyan, and it was delayed by the Bitlocker thingy. I wouldnt expect Denim will be available soon for this Lumia Grandpa...
  • The bitlocker issue was resolved months ago.
  • My Lumia 630 is waiting patiently
  • Mine is waiting impatiently..
  • Haas, lol
  • Nothing makes me believe that the whole schedule for WP OS updates and firmware updates is not delayed!!
    If this timeframe is real by the end of April some devices will be still getting Denin update. So the supposed second update for WP8.2 will be released only in the middle of the year, letting W10 for mobiles only for the 2015 Q4! This make sense?? I think the whole chronogram is delayed.
  • They said Q4 and early 2015 back in September. Today, it is no different. Doesn't seem to be delayed, but rather, you are confusing "delayed" with "It's not fast enough for me/I want it NOW!". Very different.
  • Daniel Rubino, always the voice of reason.
  • Q4 could be October, November or December. So regarding this even me or your can be right. The question is why announce something months before the actual release?? So, no more OS updates before Windows 10??
  • Why would you think there are no more OS updates? OS and firmware are developed separately.
  • Almost the entire team is working only for Windows 10... They have MANY THINGS do implement before launch!
  • What? What the hell reasoning is that? "They said Q4 and early 2015 back in September." "Q4 could be October, November or December. So regarding this even me or your can be right."   Q4 is fucking Q4, it doesnt matter what month in Q4 it is, if it releases in Q4, then they are on time =/ wow you guys pick the dumbest things to whine about...
  • Why do they say Q4???? Why not dec/early 2015.
  • I feel bad for Verizon users!
  • Probably Windows 10 Developer Preview will be early than Denim in some carriers
  • No new features for older lumias? Oh well, wait for 10 i suppose.
  • I'll probably get a 1030 with it on already :)
  • I'm hoping my Icon just gets Cyan and Denim lumped together.
  • Good luck with that. It might get Cyan, but its the T-Mobile 810 version 2.0 (IE it won't get updated or supported anymore)