The recently leaked details of Nokia's upcoming "Sirius" Windows RT tablet, has been generating a lot of buzz on what exactly will be under the hood. The tablet was first revealed ten days ago in leaked photos from Digi-wo.
WinSuperSite's Paul Thurrott says that he can confirm that the Nokia will indeed be releasing the 10.1-inch tablet and has offered up some specifics about it, including some specs, pricing and accessories.
According to Thurrott, the Nokia tablet, codename "Sirius", will be powered by a quad-core Qualcomm 8974 (ARM) chipset. The 10.1-screen is a 1920 x 1080 IPS screen that will be geared for "outdoor readability," a quality that many tablets have difficulty boasting and is reminiscent of Nokia's Lumia smartphones. While he cannot confirm the 2-megapixel front-facing camera, Thurrott says that the rear 6.7 megapixel one, in true Nokia fashion, will feature Zeiss optics.
All of this, along with a 10-hour battery and optional 4G capability, will be neatly wrapped in a Lumia-esque body that measures .35 inches thick and weighs in at just 1.3 pounds. While the red chassis in the leaked image is the only one that can be confirmed, it's not crazy to think that the "Sirius" could be offered in other colors.
Nokia Patent: keyboard accessory for tablets
One accessory that is confirmed is a keyboard cover that also adds additional battery life. That accessory may reflect a patent that Nokia filed back in 2011 and that was reported on back in April (seen above). Nokia also looks to bring "unique companion experiences" to users via exclusive Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 apps. Their Nokia Music app, though available for all Windows 8 devices, is clearly just the tip of the iceberg.
We first speculated that Nokia would release custom and exclusive apps for their tablet line back in January and now it looks to be the case.
So what will this newcomer to the tablet world cost you? Well, Nokia wants to take the "Sirius" toe-to-toe with the iPad and will therefore price it accordingly, starting at $499. That price seems a bit high for an RT tablet though and it could face similar obstacles as the now cheaper Surface RT, which is running for $349. However, with a 1080P display, high quality camera and unique Nokia design, it could raise awareness of the RT brand.
The last remaining detail is what Nokia will call this tablet. While 'Sirius' is its codename, we have heard 'Harmonia' as a potential moniker for the general Nokia tablet lineup, akin to 'Lumia' for Windows Phone.
We expect the "Sirius" to be revealed under a different moniker at an event on September 26-27 in New York City that Windows Phone Central was the first to learn about. You can bet that we'll be there to give you the skinny on all that Nokia has to show.
Source: WinSuperSite
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More details emerge on Nokia's Sirius tablet, including exact dimensions and $499 price point
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Why is Nokia's codenames for devices better than the actual names.
Wonder why they choose to call it Sirius. The radio? Taking a shot at apple's siri? Pretty sure they could come up with another name. Interesting.
It's hard to see how this will have a better reception than Surface RT. Surface RT is a beautifully engineered piece of hardware hobbled by an already obsolete operation system. The NexGen atom (Haswell based Bay Trail) will have better performance under Windows 8, match battery life, have great performance for Metro apps. Can't see it doing any better than the Surface RT. It's a shame because they are just starting to get their financials in order with the release of the 520/521/620 budget line of Windows Phone 8.
I laugh at posts with people complaining that RT wont run their Computer software, and how fast ATOM is over ARM. Windows RT is not ment to run computer software anymore than Apples IOS is ment to run MAC software. It's a tablet not a PC, and it is ment to compete against other tablets. As for ATOM vs ARM I don't see the appeal. Non of us would want an atom powered Laptop or desktop PC running Windows 8, so why does everyone feel its such a great option? Any software you would be able to run at any performance level would be basic at best. In my opinion Microsoft should have never released a Windows 8 Pro tablet, and left that for the Laptops / Desktops of the world.
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8974 (Sirius) vs Nvidia Tegra 3 (Surface RT)
I try to offer at least some information in my post.
Specs for the Sirius (left) vs Surface RT (right):
Processor:
2.5 GHz vs.1.6 GHz
28nms vs. 40nms (more powerful, yet cooler processor for the Qualcomm)
Dimensions:
0.35in thick vs. 0.37in thick
1.3lbs vs. 1.5lbs.
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First, when talking about tablets, more specifically, Windows RT (ARM) based tablets, the talk legacy apps should stop. Now, once we get pass that we can really start doing some fantastic comparison. The biggest note to me is how much the 8974 processor kicks the pants off the Nvidia Tegra 3. I enjoy my Surface RT, but boosting performance by this much is more than welcome.
Also, if the Sirius is $499 (assuming this is for the 4G LTE version), it would not be hard to imagine a $349 version without the 4G capability, so we shouldn't be too quick to whine about price.
- moxie
Not really impressed with yet another rt device. Someone tell me again why they are out there?
Why does everyone insist upon treating RT as less valuable than iOS, app store notwithstanding, like we all seriously expect these things to cost nothing because android set the expectation that an OS is cheap? Sad... =/ #communismiswinning
OK, Again. I am a Surface RT owner and I enjoy it. However is this site full of MS fanboys or are folks having a problem with REALITY. I'll give you an example. I like the Tune-In app which is available on my RT. IT DOESN'T WORK. IT NEVER HAS. I understand that this is one small example however it illuminates a much larger problem with RT. It is a tablet that is VERY capable and flexible and in many ways does so much more than any iPad can do. However there is one critical Achillies heel: The unacceptable lack of quality apps that work! Period. If you want to tout the versatility of the Surface RT great do that, however without an even comparable amount of quality apps please tell me what average consumer will shell out $500 to start for a pretty solid tablet that DOESN'T EVEN HAVE MANY OF THE MOST POPULAR AND USED APPS IN THE TABLET SPACE. The bottom line is until MS does whatever the heck it has to do to shore up its PATHETIC APP ecosystem people will often opt to PAY MORE for a device that will support its user needs NOW, rather than to save a couple of bucks and NOT HAVE WHAT THEY WANT.
The lack of being able to torrent on a RT table is what's keeling me from buying these.
Tips_y. That $230 buys you an OS that people already are more than familiar with and APPS. Access to hundreds and hundreds of APPS many of which are specifically designed to be run on the iPad.
Who might buy the new RT tablets from Nokia & Microsoft? Folks like us who already enjoy the platform, however people who are already invested in the Apple ecosystem will NOT switch, some may, most won't and tablet newbie's want APPS. They will pay the premium price to get access to premium APPS. Until RT supports even a third of the premium content that the Apple ecosystem does, the price point MATTERS.
Still it's the other way around, its not like, "RT doesn't function, so we can't make apps for it" the apps makers are the ones that need to support RT...everyone is erroneously treating RT as substandard. =/
If office is included like every other RT device, I am buying one of these for my parents
It's mostly due to lack of communication and excution of the product line on so many levels, and I am not just talking Microsoft. Walk into an AT&T store or walk up to a T-Mobile Kiosk at the mall, the sales people barely know or don't know how to navigate a windows phone or 8 device. I work for a major office supplly retailer. I can demo every computer, tablet and printer in the store, regardless of brand or OS. I will even recommend Apple products if it's going to meet the needs of the customer. Many consumers that I have helped since the launch of the RT tablets and then the Win8/pro tablets, all had these concerns. 1. what apps were avaiable for the RT? 2. Does it come with Outlook? 3. Where can I purchase one. Microsoft should have gotten the Surface RT, into alot more retailers sooner. Customer were clamoring for the MS tablet, for the first few weeks of Windows 8\RT launch. No retailer outside of Microsoft, had them yet, not even for display purposes, so consumers could try it out. Many consumers got too see the Samsung Ativ, and the ASUS vivotab. These two tablets were priced another $100, more the the Surface was, so this turned alot of my customers off. The school district, Universaty, Community colleges, and Businesses could not make big purchase Orders, due to the lack of their respective distributain partners, still get authorization to sell from MS. Most consumers, wanted the Office Home and Business, meaning they were looking for Outlook, so they did not need a constant internet connection, when traveling. This was a very big sticking point for most of my customers. You take the price of Office off you have a pretty sweet deal on a tablet, to bad you don't get a chioce of not having Office. There was only abut 4000 apps at launch, it is now over 110,000. Most customers didn't seem to care about the apps, since they could still use IE for accessing their busniess. I mean my bank does not have a mobile app or WaP yet, but I use IE, and I have the mobile version of the site comes up, and I still can do my bank that way. I guess my point is that need better presence in the retail sectore and enterprise channels, do a better job of explaing the benefits in ADs, and knowledgable sales reps on the sales floor. I shouldn't be the one, demonstrating a WP or tablet to a sales rep.
It doesn't matter what it has, an RT tablet @ $499 seems DOA to me...
It unfortunately doesn't matter how good the tablet is... you *cannot* charge $500 for the entry level price. It *HAS* to be less than $400.
We're going to have Atom tablets with 1080p displays, equivalent battery life, and full windows 8 selling for less than $400 soon. Why would you pay $500 for an RT tablet? >.<
None of those 10" full windows tablets will have LTE support
None of them will cost less than $400 with 1080 displays
None of them will come with keyboards
None of them will be $100-$150 subsidized by carriers
The new lenovo Miix 10 tablet with last year specs was just released for $500. Baytrail T will be more expensive than the current clover trail Atoms. $550 will likely be the starting price for Baytrail-T 10" tablets & add another $120-140 for an OEM matching keyboard accessory.
This tablet is targeted for the niche but growing higher margin carrier supported LTE market. Those with data contracts that want a larger screen experience than the upcoming 6' Bandit phablet.
Why wouldn't you..?
The Nokia Sirius with LTE is carrier bound and therefore will be going against the iPad 4 with LTE that is currently priced at $729. I think this good-looking tablet RT is in the right place. May it prosper long and well!
Brig it out with W8.1 not RT and I'm sold. Add 4gb of RAM and the new super efficient processors and I'm sold. SOLD I SAY! jejeje. Alright. Back to dreamig... Its late. jejeje
I can't say I'm crazy about that keyboard design... and hopefully they'll have two types like the Surface.
I have to say I'm not head over heels about the design either...but maybe it's because the one we saw was red and I hate red. I need to see it in black. Still...the design of the Surface is gorgeous...it will be hard to beat.
I'm definitely going to check this one out...but only IF the price tag goes for around 350€. Anything higher and I'll just skip it. For 350€ and I'll buy one even though I don't need another tablet and the Surface RT meets all my needs. Also, it would help if, like the Surface, this Nokia device comes with Office. Otherwise...another deal breaker to me.
I don't care for Windows 8 on tablets. RT is good and enough. All I need is good battery life, Office and a keyboard. In that sense, this Nokia tablet will have to be really awesome and really cheap for me to give away my Surface.
With the recent price cuts the Surface RT sales have surpased the pro. The surface pro only sells about 100-150K units a quarter. Due to cost, haswell/ivy bridge tablets are not mass market devices. They have to sell @ $800+ because the i5 mobile cpu alone is $320+ for OEMs.
Why can't they make a Pro tablet? :(
The tegra 3 was a very slow processor for Windows, even a stripped down RT. The Snapdragon 800 clocked at that speed has the floating point and interger performance close to an entry level icore i3 laptop CPU. This thing will be very fast.
$450 Surface RT + keyboard (no LTE)
$450 Galaxy Note 10 (no keyboard & no LTE)
$500 ipad 4 (no keyboard & no LTE)
$580 Transformer infinity + keyboard (no LTE)
$730 ipad 4 + LTE (no keyboard)
$500 Nokia Sirius + keyboard + LTE!!!!!!!
Are you people crazy! The Surface was heavily marketed with the keyboard. That was a $600 purchase compared to $500 for the ipad 4. Nokia's tablet will likely be priced with the entry level 10" ipad BUT COME WITH A KEYBOARD & LTE!!! The price of the tablet is extremely competitive with the ipad. With that hardware, it will be the best value in the tablet space. It also might get subsidised a bit through phone carriers with a 2 year contract.
The reason MS took that huge loss is because they wildly over produced a 10" tablet when 80% of the sales in the tablet space moved to 7-8" tablets. The Google nexus 10 is moving less than 200K a quarter. They also had limited retail and no enterprise channel distribution because they wanted to protect their partners and increase their margins by selling through their limited number of stores.
If Nokia comes into this with more realistic expectations of 200-300K per quarter with an initial order of 500K units they will be fine.
I think you are one of the few who can actually see that the Nokia Sirius with LTE is carrier bound and will be going against the iPad with LTE that is currently priced at $729.
I really wish was 7 or 8 inches! I would buy it then.
Nokia/ms should only have rt in 7-8" devices and the price ranges less than $300 to be competitive. And why dont put in a great pureview like 20mega to be the best camera on tablets
I'm not sure why people on this site act like they have the definitive formula to outselling the iPad. Its even more nonsensical that they think a lower price is going to help. Just like it has been since the beginning: successful technology solves a problem. The iPhone was less functional than the Motorola Razr, but it solved the app problem and developers made a mint. The Killer App is what it used to be called. The moment somebody else actually uses a competing platform to solve a problem, creates the killer app tied to its platform, Apple is cooked. The truth is people are already poised to leave, but they have no clear vision of where to go.
I think the Windows tablets solve a problem, they can replace a laptop and have great battery life to boot. Problem is, they are too expensive. That's why people still buy shitty laptops instead of these tablets., price. iPads do not do productivity well, but they are simple, work well and have all of the apps plus beautiful well built hardware. So the only thing these Windows tablets don't have, since the commercials on TV show what they have over iPad, are apps. They solve a problem. Windows does not have apps, and the problems they do solve, freaking productively, is not worth the price because you can get a shit Dell laptop for $300.
Solving a problem is not the same as having a Killer App.
People still buy these laptops mainly because they are confused about their options. They don't know that the particular tablet will actually meet their needs because there are no reliable media outlets that give that information. The few that do actually report useful info are generally swarmed by fanboy soldiers. Jobs knew what he was doing when he designed his products marketing.
Price has nothing to do with it. Talking about the price of this product is simply a distraction. And a misleading one at that when you take into account that you pay more for the same functionality in an Apple product (something that is being ignored by the people screaming about price for a reason).
The portability problem no longer needs solving. Nor do the apps, space/storage or productivity problems need solving. Apple products are as popular as they are because they are essentially the Blue Pill. Android is decidedly a Red Pill. WP8 seems to want to be a blue pill, but keeps smacking us in the face with things that don't work yet.
I'm digressing a bit. Price is hardly the most important factor. The best selling option is wildly overpriced.
I don't even remember which pill did what... =[
You have to be more clear, iPhone *created* the "app problem"
I'm not sure how I feel about Harmonia. 4 syllables seems like a mouthful. Then again, I can't think of anything better in particular right now.
Damn I hope its not $499..
The price is less than the Samsung Galexy Note 10.1 on Verizon it is 599.99
I would buy it if it was free
Now that's funny, good job sir! =P
Surface RT is a good product but MS didn't capitalize on 3 key areas.
1. Price point way too high at launch.
2. Hardware specs were too damn slow to run the OS
3. No LTE/3G
Guess what all of that is fixed with the 2nd gen refresh.
Gues what RT did though bring apps to the app store not bad not bad..
I think the Nokia tablet price is ok it could be a bit cheaper. Needs pressure sensitive pen support & awesome first party Nokia apps and now were talking :)
I say yes to the pen!
But people forget that the Nokia Sirius has LTE and is carrier bound where it will compete with the current iPad with LTE that has the price tag of $729.
Here's another tablet I won't be buying. 10 inch tablets are simply too big for what I use them for. I have yet to find any tablet that combines the fuctionality and portability of my Verizon Galaxy Tab 7.7. Perfect size, killer screen and 4G LTE connectivity. So what if it's two years old. It works brilliantly. I would love to see Nokia come out with an 8-inch version of this tablet. That might get my interest.
Is 6 too small? They have that coming up.... =[
Tablet market is still in its infancy for most of the world outside US, Western Europe and Japan. Considering Nokia's deep distribution network that is unmatched reaching all the small towns across the world, this is a good start. Nokia can take this device to a middle class consumer in India or China and sell it as their ONLY family computer. And there are lot of places in the world where you cannot buy an iPad even if you want to because of Apple's limited distribution network. Remember, it is hard to get carrier support for tablets unlike cell phones.
GO NOKIA, if you execute well, you have a great opportunity in your hands. Just like WP8, W8 RT could be your own OS, with little to no development cost from your pocket.
The Lumia Tab ;)
I love the product, but $499 is simply too expensive. Hopefully that's not the true price.
Is it though..? =/
Iyea. What's with the hate? Consider that at $500 it does undercut the iPad but not nearly enough. People pay a premium on iPads not just for the hardware or OS, or even superior performance in general. Its the APPS. Their catalog of popular, high quality apps is HUGE, and if Nokia and Microsoft want RT based tablets to compete on any meaningful level without a MUCH more robust app store coupled with a $500 entry price tag they are shooting themselves in the foot. No whining. Just thoughtful points to consider.
The iPad with LTE that the Nokia Sirius with LTE will compete against in the carrier is priced currently at $729. If $230 is not enough of an undercut, how much do you think the price cut should be.
The apps are NOT what makes iOS products premium price, they pay for themselves...don't act as if RT can't run apps, because it can. Ok, so developers are basically worthless and can't figure it out but try again. Apple didn't make all those apps, they milked those developers of their 33% the old fashioned way. It seems Microsoft's problem is they are too kind with developers... =/
Do you guys think if they could some how get this thing into the classooms it would help them out?
I thought.Microsoft was already doing some of that with their Surfaces. Even then, Microsoft is probably selling them to schools for low margins. I say Nokia do it, business is risky and sometimes they're worth the risk.
They win them with heavy Bing searches..? =P
I hope they would add a digitizer pen (like the Galaxy Note S-pen) to make it more a productive device. I hope the Win 8.1 RT also support Miracast so that I can mirror the screen onto HDTV, great for use in classroom or boardroom.
Digitizer is a must in my opinion. I'd love to see Microsoft productize their research project (revealed 18 months ago) that does away with the typical digitizer display layer found in today's solutions and instead uses a more advanced digital pen.
...or at least find a way to get it to work on ARM.
But will it Blend?
Folks, can we stop quoting prices for Android tabs and the IPad as if the fact that this is a little cheaper helps. It doesn't. I don't care if the Ipad cost 1k and this is 500. The general public does not want Windows tablets. They don't want RT and they don't want Windows 8 tablets at this point eaither. The general public will not spend 500.00 on any type of Windows tablet. I will, most of us might, the general public won't. They generally don't klike Micrsoft to begin with, They have heard nothing but negative things about RT while hearing the Ipad being praised and they are being overwhelmed at the store by the sheer amount of Android products. Windows tablets at 500.00 do not stand a chance at this point. Nokia of all people should know this. If they don't want to believe Micrsoft's results, just ask Samsung or Asus or Lenova or Acer or...
People call us price trolls and RT haters. I'm neither. I'm fine with RT the way it is other than wanting a few more games and apps and I would be willing to pay 500 for this and the Surface. But I'm also not going to ignore the last year of sale #'s or the negative spin from the press that's is always an obstacle or the absolute blind love that the general public has for the Ipad at the moment. This price point for any Windows tablet is a mistake. Doesn't matter about the resolution or memory or additional features. They won't sell at the level that is needed. The Surface Pro won't sell at this price at the level needed either. You and I here will buy it, some Tech enthusiats will buy it but the general public just won't. 300.0 max for RT, maybe 500.00 max for Windows 8 but it better be 128 GB, 1080P, USB ETC. It's a shame, but that's just the current state of Windows tabs. It gets tiring trying to convince people they are worth the price because believe me I try. Every day, I try.
"The general public does not want......." - Please stop speaking for the general public, the general public can speak for itself so just speak for yourself.
First of all, this comment is too long...secondly, no and third, what Tips_y said!
You have a point. Do you think Nokia is in a position to heavily subsidize products at this stage in its transition? You might also want to take a look at what's on offer.
I am not advocating the $500 price tag. But I think it's premature to pass a verdict on the success of the product bassed on this.
Seriously...I mean, our phones cost around $600!
$500 didn't work for Surface RT, or any other RT device out there. Not enough apps, so why would this be a success for Nokia at this price. Doesn't anyone get it? RT is dead at this price point. Failure!
I couldn't agree more but it seems like Nokia wants to try for it themselves and expect a different outcome. That $900 million write down from Microsoft or other OEMs dropping RT didn't scare them off. They're either really brave or really dumb.
Don't forget that the Nokia Sirius with LTE is carrier bound and with its $499 price point will be competing against the iPad with LTE that is currently priced at $729. The $230 price difference is a point to consider before you start saying "Failure" and calling anybody "dumb".
I agree, that comment was a failure... =[
I'd be willing to spend $499 on an RT tablet IF it comes equipped with an active digitizer for inking, the keyboard and built-in Qi-charging. Though if that price included LTE, then yeah, we have a deal.
Nokia fully understands that their best bet lies in entry-level pricing, this Sirius tablet is a premium device meant to represent what Nokia tablets are fully capable of and to score margins wherever possible.
I am willing to bet that Nokia also has a 10.1 inch $299 Windows 8 tablet running on Bay Trail in the pipeline.
In order to be relevant in the tech blogs community, apparently one must commit to spreading a believable combination of FUD and ignorance. RT does enough out of the box better than an iPad to justify someone who doesn't own a tablet choosing it over the iPad. True, it doesn't run apps that the iPad does but for the most part, they aren't necessary apps. If only people touted functionality and not popularity...
Dude, thank you. Some people and their FUD.
You also forgot to say that they're two completely different OS... ;)
I just hope Nokia knows "more" about the near future of RT if this is true.
Maybe bringing the platforms more together and merge both app stores?
WP8 has the (some) apps and RT is the spin off from W8. Merge RT and Phone to something compatible with W8 and life becomes easier. Or?
If the tablet ends up looking anything like that, with other color options, I'll be wanting one in red and one in cyan! And a yellow one for my girlfriend!
Colours....so with black it's gonna named SIRIUS BLACK
Hmmmmm this or Surface 2?......
Let's take a look at what 499$ buys you in the rest of tablet land as this seems to be a completely unthinkable amount:
http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-TF700T-B1-CG-10-1-Inch-Tablet-Champagne/dp/B008F4NL0O/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1377550488&sr=8-3&keywords=asus+transformer+pad+infinity+tf700
Congrats, 399$ gives you the same resolution but you get the pleasure of owning a device with slightly less stellar quality and Tegra 3, oh, and wifi only. Dock sold separately, and the price used to be 499...
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-10-1-Inch-White/dp/B00D029NNA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1377551856&sr=8-3&keywords=samsung+galaxy+tab+3
Samsung generously gives you a clover trail+ processor which is a previous generation, 1280:800 resolution and likely a worse quality screen, 1 Gb of RAM and 16GB of memory. Also, yout get the pleasure of owning a device with Samsungs world famous plastic "design". Launched at 399$, and seems to be Wifi only.
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Xperia-SGP311U1-10-1-Inch-Tablet/dp/B00CE590Z0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377552208&sr=8-1&keywords=sony+tablet+z
Let's not forget the Sony tablet Z, 16 GB, wifi, S4 pro SoC, and all this for 499$ at launch. Running android and not windows RT with office. I could go on, but I guess I have made my point. Of course you could also look at cheaper chinese no name tablets with the cheapest components, poor build quality and no support. Sound like a great deal to me.. And as mentioned, the cheapest Ipad 4 with 3G costs 629$ for 16 GB of storage and no expandable storage.
500$ is in fact a completely reasonable price for a device with such high end specs, and in fact cheaper than comparable tablets in the 10 inch space, the Nexus 10 might come close but it is subsidized by Google as all Nexus devices are. There is certainly room for a cheaper tablet at about 300 USD, but obviously it will have to be built with cheaper components.I certainly think this could be an interesting device, but I will wait and see what else comes out later this autumn before comitting.
High end specs with RT on it? What are you just going to spend that money on the looks? Its still very limited as to what it can do. At that price it should come with a keyboard and a pen. App selection compared to the iPad us what normal people -not us- are going to look for. Pretty hardware has yet to work. Take Surface RT for that story.
Keyboard and pen? I'll definitely go for that as long as it is an active capacitive dual digitizer screen.
Just to put things in perspective, you must not forget one important aspect. The Nokia Sirius with LTE is carrier bound and will therefore go against the 32GB iPad with LTE presently priced at $729.
BC that price point worked so well for Microsoft. I love my rt surface but I wait for the drop.
Why RT
More importantly. Why are you so gorgeous?
--------------------------------------------------------------^Creep.
Says the man with a pic of him taking pics out of a car window with a zoom lense as his avatar. :P
oh umm... thank you very much.
I'm surprised people are still complaining about WinRT. It was never meant to be used by the power users amongst us just as the iPad and most android tablets aren't either. It does what it needs to do and, contrary to popular belief among many here, awareness about it is definitely growing amongst the average joes. I've had multiple friends say they want a Surface RT and another friend who just showed up with one, complete with type cover and all because she went online, did her research, and bought one. Apparently, word is getting around that the Surface RT gives the most bang for your buck amongst people in school.
RT still doesn't make sense to me. Maybe it will work for other people, but I can't see myself ever getting one. Sure, RT is my favorite tablet OS---but Microsoft made tablet OSes obsolete by releasing a hybrid OS. I'd get this if I got any tablet, but since my laptop is now a tablet too, I'll never actually need a tablet.
The price sounds high, but with 4G wouldn't have carrier subsidies? Nokia sells phones and has inroads with carriers. If consumers can get is for $199 (or something like that) it might well have a good chance.
I thought the iPad was still selling for around $700. Shows how out-of-touch I am.
so let me get this straight, some ppl are stil saying this will fail, it will have a 1080p screen, 6.7 camera, 10 hour battery, usb port, hdmi, sd storage, LTE and may come with a keyboard/stand with battery inside and yet if the price listed remain to be true is still $100 cheaper than a 32gb ipad wifi only tab. explain to me why this will fail? let say the apps isnt an issue why would this fail, cause if ur only basing it only on apps then i never will by that standard
RT...every major OEM has already given up on RT...Dell, HP, Asus, etc...
Yes and we all know we should follow the crowd because whatever MOST people think is ALWAYS right... That was sarcasm slowpoke.
You're an idiot. OEMs not making anymore RT devices and Microsoft taking a $900 million write down for Surface RT should tell you how hard creating a RT device is. Do you really think Nokia is going to sell well at $499 when Microsoft couldn't do it with all their advertisements and distribution? Think about that for a second slowpoke.
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DOA...what a waste of time/resources by Nokia.
The surface do not have LTE and it has a lousy camera. Plus I am quite sure Nokia will include Offline GPS. If Keyboard is included to me it will be a no brainer over the surface tablet even with its cut price. And I forgot to mention a way better screen.
Yes that's correct, it has LTE - plus it will be competing against the 32GB iPad with LTE that is priced right now $729.
I honestly don't see how $499 is high for an RT device when RT is more capable than its competitors, not to mention a device much nicer than any iPad.
You're right, MS should raise the Surface RT price back up to $499 because it is more capable than its competitors and much nicer than any iPAD. It's totally priced fairly and it's only a matter of time before it starts selling well. Let's just ignore the most important things that consumers want which is apps but I;m sure all those high quality apps currently in the store is enough for them.
*sigh*
This particular RT from Nokia has LTE and will compete with the iPad with LTE priced at $729. It might be too high for you but not against what its going against.
Most people will still see they can get an iPad for 499 (even if it is 16gb WiFi only) and just buy the iPad anyway.
No software.
I don't find the $500 price range to be too high. Everytime ASUS releases a new high end Android tab it seems to release at $500. It has high end specs for an ARM tab. My only concern is when happens when the next round of Intel Atom chips start getting incorporated into devices by OEMs? I think RT will be left by the wayside like Windows ME.
Well, in my opinon Nokia should wait a bit more before build a tablet with W8 RT. We all know that OS doesn't have many apps. How could anyone buy that Tablet instead an iPad? What Nokia will offer that make a person buy that tablet? That's why I belive that new tablet won't sell too much.
It doesn't have many apps because of people like you. Nokia may be doing this to help raise the profile and market share. Then you will get more apps. Jesus.
WP barely had any big apps before Nokia joined. Nokia doing RT device will just increase app store for RT.
Was waiting for the surface 2 now I might get Nokia tablet instant!
I thought it was a bit too high into I read the article 499 is pretty good I paid more for my tablet but I'm waiting on a Pro version
Also I think a 7inch RT tablet makes sense Nokia go make that please
Lets not forget too that if I'm gonna shell out $500 for an RT tablet it MUST have apps. I have a Surfaces RT at the reduced price and I am still bothered by the paucity of apps.
I think I'll pass.
They are going to have to sell it through phone carriers
As they apparently are planning to.
Its great to see people moan and complain about the price, when the product itself wasn't even confirmed. I don't trust Verge with rumors after they claimed that instagram is launching with WP8.
The original RT hater is back!!!! :). Ok, I think I have the perfect formula for a RT tablet. Ready? Max 8" screen at 1080p, ARM quad core, yada, yada, Office mobile (as in WP Office mobile), micro hdmi, micro SD, NO desktop, NO USB, NO Office home student, no silly pretense of being a full PC while actually not, pure consumption device for $299. Add in Nokia apps and build (camera makes sense at this size) and its perfect.
Anything bigger comes with Windows 8 (not Pro), Bay Trail, Office home student, USB, HDMI, optional digitizer, starts at $399. ULV Haswell hybrid devices with Win 8 Pro start at $699. Sounds good to me. :)
and some kid is using it in an advert BING FOR SCHOOLS :
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RT and Price Point are a HUGE problem. RT does not sell well and this won't sell for that price.
Make this for 299 and maybe you will sell a few but still RT is a no go.
The price is steep but only because apps are missing and iBloggers will feel threatened and bash it.
iPads cost much more and do much less in all realitiy except that they have a thriving ecosystem of lame games and seem cheap compared to a replacement PC (replacing the PC the iPad owner never needed in the first place).
LTE makes it more attractive than Surface to many since most family share wireless plans on ATT/VZW allow adding tablets for $10 (a nominal amount) for shared data. This is a strong selling point that Win8 tablets totally lacked. Sure most phones can "teather" but at the expense of your battery and also with Verizon the lack of ability to call while teathered.
This also opens doors to wireless carriers getting behind this, something they clearly wont do for wi-fi only Surface devices. AT&T's lame ATIV windows 8 tablets were like $749 and way too large. Plus that putrid, awful name.
Win8.1 will be more accessible to people. Microsoft seems to have let Sinofsky really screw up Windows 8 by not allowing cross-organizational development and sticking to silly deadlines.12-14 months extra time to mend this will be visible as per the 8.1 preview (which is missing all the core app updates).
Wait, what ever happened to that announcement in Russia?? Is it already over?
RT is a mistake.
Or, its not
If it would run Windows 8.1, I would buy it 100%. With RT I'm not sure.
DOA
I think WP Central should have a poll about the hypothetical price point and then send it over to whomever their friendly contact is at Nokia. $499 is not going to cut it. Should be priced par to current Surface RT prices since MS has basically admitted that is the true value of RT on the market. I really love WP and think W8 has the potential, so not a hater here, but good business sense is nowhere to be found here.
1. Public still remembers the failure of an overpriced, poorly bundled, poorly marketed, under-developed Surface RT (and other RT tablets)
2. Even with RT 8.1, I seriously doubt that the biggest problems with RT (and Pro) have been fixed for tablet use Things like scaling, poorly designed workflows, and let's not forget lack of Metro Apps with no ability to run legacy software..Oh and it needs to be ONE mode...make office and file browsing work in Metro or don't even try. It's a confusing, jarring, and useless experience when you can't load legacy apps to replace non-existant metro apps.
3. The majority of the public really didn't seem to buy the "but you can get work done on it!" argument. E.g., it was being shopped for as an iPad competitor not to replace the PC that's used for work.
In sum, RT needs to be Paused, focus resources on W8.x until RT can be a seamless single mode environment that can ALSO do work. Think of it as 1 really great personality instead of multiple distinct personalities of which you'd never want to date either for too long.
I agree, Surface RT now has that stink of failure attached to it and marketing it as a productivity device didn't work. The real issue here is that the Windows Marketplace app situation is so poor that's hard to sell people on RT devices when all it can do is use apps from there. Plus it's their first tablet and they have no name recognition in that space so how are they going to justify the price?
I wish people would stop saying RT is a failure because it doesn't run "legacy apps".....ok wise guy, what legacy apps does iPad and android run??? Exactly
Yes, it does get tiring listening to the same uniformed comment again and again.
RT is not a failure because it can't run legacy apps. It has been a failure in part because MS botched the distinction between W8 and RT with regard to the user experience - and I mean the experience of 95% of consumers who are not reading tech sites like this. To them, it is needlessly confusing and offers no advantage over iPad or Android tablets. So, why go with an unknown, poorly marketed, poorly executed, unfinished product sold at par or at a premium when they can get a known quantity? For RT to make any sense as a distinct OS, MS needs to kill the traditional desktop, make Office metro (for f*cks sake, how hard can it be to just have the tile launch the app without going to the desktop?), vastly improve basic apps like mail, make a metro file browser, notifications, etc.
Should be WinRT 8", 1080p, 20mp Zeiss camera, stereo speakers, HAAC, HDMI, 64GB, USB, expandable storage. $299
The real price of the Lumia 1020 at launch was 649$, so basically Nokia should introduce a tablet with bundled office for half the price and still deliver higher specs than the current lumia flagship phones? You got to be kidding... A lot of americans seem to have a completely distoreted view of the real costs by contract prices and the fact that you have easy accesss to the Nexus and Kindle tablets who are sold at cost or at a loss as Amazon and Goggle expects to make it back by selling media and ads.
Don't bundle it with office and remove the desktop. Make it a pure tablet. Entertainment not productivity. You want office? Use the web app in SkyDrive. WiFi, Bluetooth and LTE enabled. I would thoroughly enjoy a larger screen to shoot and edit photos without pulling out a 10"+ screen. Or a larger Bluetooth device for media playback in the car. If I want to work, I want to be in front of my PC with dual 24" monitors, period.
Or they could just let the 32GB Nokia Sirius with LTE at $499 stay as is and let it compete with the 32GB iPad with LTE priced right now at $720.
Even without office and desktop part on the OS side, those hardware you spoken off still expensive (-_-)a
Um... who would want a 20mp camera in a tablet? And you really think any manufacturer can do this without selling the damn thing at/below cost? Seriously?
Yes
I wanted to buy a surface rt but did not because of lacking apps and poor performance. Nokias tablet will probably be faster. Will the app-thing remain? To be honest i fear that. Even with some homemade finnish aplications there will be the absence of third party products. Only massive use of money to get more rt-software developed will help. I don't want to wait again like i had - and still have - with wp8. I'm so tired of hearing "great apps to come, all in the pipeline" and similar blabla.
As long as there are people like you then yes, the app thing will remain.
And that is supposed to mean what?
I should buy a rt tablet ignoring the fact that there is a problem. Would you buy a car without brakes only to support the dealer? Come on. I like windows but let's be realistic.
That's the Windows predicament. Developers won't develop if there are no consumers, but consumers won't buy unless there are apps.
And apps won't be at the store if the developer didn't develop it ... one need to break this circle to advance. Microsoft already did by attracting developers to develop for RT (and Modern UI apps in general). Now it's user turn to actually use the system. This will attact more developers which in turn will adding items into app catalogue.
Again tablet with RT Windows?
NOOOOOOoooooooooooooo
Again. People vote with their wallets! $500 is too high a price point for an RT tablet no matter how great the build quality and specs are. If you truly want to come close to 'competing' with the juggernaut that is the iPad you MUST undercut them significantly by at least $100. Its the only strategy that can give RT any chance of getting a toehold in the tablet market space.
$729-$499 = $$230. $230 > $100. :)
You do realize that they are actually undercutting the Ipad by more than 100 dollar if they launch at this price? The cheapest Ipad 4 with included 3G and not Wifi is costing 629$....
No he doesn't. Cheapskates who like whinging and making stupid points that are based on information they just made up in their heads don't actually RESEARCH what they are talking about.
If they did their research, they will realize that the 32GB Nokia Sirius priced at $499 will be going against the 32GB iPad with LTE that costs $729.
It has microSD and will include keyboard, so that should help justify cost as well as allow storage increase very easily
Seems most people (on this blog) are not happy with the price and have passed a death sentence already. Could you wait for it to hit the shelves already?
The same thing was said about the price of the Lumia 1020 and most tech blogs and readers of such blogs deemed it a failure. Recent stats showed that it's doing just fine.
PS: Though the comments and opinions of blog readers like us matter, it would be nice to know that we constitute less than 1 percent of the target market. So every one take a chill pill and calm down.
People said the same thing whent the Surface RT was released, "wait for it to hit the shelves before judging" and we all how that went. Nokia is new to tablets and them asking for the same price point as an iPAD is dumb not to mention the Windows Marketplace is garbage at the moment. I don't think they're going to convince a lot of people to buy this thing at that price.
Man, that is really thin. I don't know that I need one, but the wife's Asus transformer prime is about to give up the ghost. What a POS that was!
Isn't that an Android tablet?
Yeah, and an old one at that.
Shame for the price really considering its RT. I think I'll have a few quid and go for the Surface RT.
WIth no marketing heft and meager distribution this won't sell.
So far it looks like Verizon will have it. I'd be surprised if ATT didn't also. And they'll likely be in MS stores. Best Buy? Perhaps. Nokia stores across the globe? Yep.
Until I actually hear the announcement from Nokia I'm not buying any of it.
+1. We'll see what all this is about come Sept. 26-27th. I just can't believe the price point until Nokia announces it themselves because $499 is that bad of a decision.
As with most Nokia devices I expect the hardware will be top notch. That price is at least £200 too expensive though. Don't get me wrong, it's a good price for what is in the hardware, but trying to compete with the iPad with your first ever tablet is just never going to work. That's without mentioning that it's running Windows RT, which again is a perfectly fine OS, but when you can already buy the Surface RT for £270 or the full Windows 8 Iconia W3 for £250... why is anyone going to buy this?
To me this feel like a massive misstep for Nokia. I've been able to understand their thinking with each of the Lumia devices they've put out but I don't understand who this tablet is for. What is the market? Who is the target audience?
If it was priced competitively with the RT and the W3 I could see some people maybe picking it up, but I'd still have to choose the W3, even if the processor isn't quite as good. I just don't see the logic in buying a device that cannot do everything, when you can get a much cheaper one that does.
£200 too expensive? What?
For a start, comparing the Nokia tablet to a Surface and a W3 is unfair. The Iconia W3 is awful. It's outclassed completely by practically every other RT or 8 device. It's the smallest - that's partly why it's cheapest. It's mainly cheap because of the cheap components in it. The Surface also contains fairly outdated hardware, so of course it'll be cheaper than Nokia's offering. It's also about to be replaced so MS are trying to clear them out.
As for the iPad, it starts at ~ £399 here... if that's the price Nokia can match - with a device containing a brand new CPU, LTE, 32GB of storage which is expandable and a 1080p screen - they're not looking too bad, especially given the iPad at that price is WiFi only, 16GB of storage and is non-expandable. If that price also includes that keyboard (which I hope), even better.
Definetly on my list of things to buy this holiday season!!! Can't wait.
I'd buy for 299€, 499$ is way too much for RT
Then you won't be buying one.
Any reason enough to get this instead of iPad, Android tablets or Surface RT?
Thinner, lighter, Nokia quality, Nokia apps, included keyboard with battery-extension, supposedly genuinely decent cameras for a tablet. And WinRT comes with Office, which is incredibly useful for businesses and students. It's also a lot cheaper than a comparable 32GB iPad, and has apps specifically made for tablets, rather than the phone apps for iOS and Android tablets.
I'm sure there are more reasons.
Price is another reason. The 32GB iPad with LTE is priced at $729 while the 32GB Sirius with LTE will be priced at $499.
If you are at all familiar with what Nokia has done with Windows Phone, you wouldn't get anything else.
128gb is too much storage for Microsoft. You'll be able to download more apps and game, which will support more developers. Now, Microsoft would not want that would they?
Please stop talking. Go troll somewhere else.
If Nokia is that stupid to go toe to toe with the iPad @ $499.00 it will be DOA. Again, MS and Nokia need to learn.
Plus it will have to go up against the Surface 2 RT and if MS keeps the price the same as the current one then that's $150 difference. I just have to say that they're pretty crazy if they do launch at that $499 price.
The iPad that has 32GB and cellular/LTE costs $729.
That may be the case but the Apple 32G has more useable space. Therefore, the public will not pay that price. An LTE version will sell for $399 and the non-LTE should go for $299.00.
With all due respect, the public has no clue even what "usable space" means. :D
exactly. they'll buy an ipad because their friends and neighbours have one. which is a damn shame cause surface tablets are way better imo ;)
I will not disgree with this. However, MS and Nokia is still the underdog. That's why price is a major concern.
I agree. They have GOT to nail the price.
Except we are the public... and we do have the clue. Some of us have solved the murder already. So now what?
Yes, that's quite correct. The 32GB Nokia Sirius with LTE priced at $499 will compete with the 32GB iPad with Cellular/LTE priced at $729.
Hopefully this will be the Lumia 925 of the Nokia tablets and there's a 620/625 analogue on the way too. Use the allure of the high end model to drive sales of the cheaper versions like they have with Windows Phone.
I like that idea, a 520 like tablet would take on the legions of horrible Android tablets and win.
I want this in pro❕
For you? Prozac
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Rodneyej can you reply to yourself a couple more times?
Yes,, on the next article I will.,, just for you..
wont apologize for this but Microsoft and Nokia are smoking something. RT tablets should NEVER pass $400. how is it that Acer put out a full blown Win8 8 inch for $370 without a prob? For those that keep saying RT is a flop, failure, blah blah blah do ipads run all the same programs as macs? do android tabs run the same programs as PC or Ubuntu? didn't think so, in other words they all run apps apps apps which is what Rt runs plus Office so shut up
Acer produced a Windows 8 tablet for $370 by using piss-poor components and build quality. The W3 is universally despised.
Seems to be working great.for my lady. A few ppl(older) at work bought it sooooo wheres the universally despised?
Its a shit tablet. Try it yourself for a bit and you will see. Or, I dunno try GOOGLING it?
I was interested until I saw it was Windows 8 RT. While Win8 RT may not be bad I am interested in a Win8 Pro tablets. Of course it will most likely have crap for memory and storage.
$500 is an instant fail. I wish Nokia could brainwash people like Apple, but that's simply not the case. And you'd think they'd learn something from the Surface RT. This should be $349-399. Oh, well...
iPad 32GB with LTE: $729.
I didn't ask a question...
Your posting needed questions to be asked badly and answered.
Well, post them up if you have any.
Sirius.... Sounds Serious Cool stuff ;)
Windows RT? Blech. No thanks.
Yep, hopefully the failure of this and the Surface 2 will be the final nails in the coffin for Windows RT.
Windows RT isn't going anywhere. But of course you aren't able to understand that.
Why? Have you even used the bloody thing? No? Then shut up
RT is RT is RT. The capabilities of RT, which I have used for your information, are not governed by the hardware(barring the CPU architecture), but rather the crippling ARM infrastructure.
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