Nokia Australia: Bluetooth 4.0 LE not coming to high-end Lumias [Update]
Update 10:30 AM ET: Nokia PR in Germany is now saying BT 4.0 LE will come to all Lumias but via future update, as we originally thought:
We’re filing this one under ‘maybe’ but Nokia Australia, via their Twitter account, are claiming that current high end Lumias won’t be able to support Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy (LE).
The Tweet was in response to a question from Gary C., who asked Nokia about the status of the technology, which was expected to come to all Lumias at some point, perhaps through a firmware update.
Nokia Australia have noted that “Bluetooth v4.0 Low Energy (LE) technology will not be available for Nokia Lumia 8xx, 9xx and 1020… due to hardware limitations”. Currently, the Lumia 520, 620, 625 and 720 reportedly support Bluetooth 4.0 LE, which can also work with the recently launched Adidas miCoach app and heart rate monitor. We have the heart-rate monitor accessory in house and are putting it through its paces, but it looks like we won’t be able to test or use it on our high end Lumias.
It would seem odd to not support high-end Lumias, but there may be some truth in the claim. Nokia has pointed out on their official Conversations blog the limitation:
While higher-end devices were left out, it was thought that perhaps a firmware update would be needed. But that may not be the case after all.
Bluetooth 4.0 LE allows devices to stay paired longer without using a lot of energy. It is especially useful for hardware accessories like the Fitbit Flex, Jawbone and Adidas miCoach heart rate monitor that need to frequently sync in order to give the user feedback on their progress. It’s also thought to be used in Nokia’s upcoming ‘Treasure Tag’ accessory line that will allow users to tag items like keys or their bags with a small Bluetooth device. Users can then reportedly track the item for easy location.
We should caution that Twitter accounts, even when official, do not always have the most up to date information and this should be taken with a grain of salt until Nokia clarifies the situation. Nokia is expected to talk about Bluetooth 4.0 and future products later in October at Nokia World in Abu Dhabi.
Source: Nokia Australia (Twitter); Thanks, Geoff C., for the tip
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I just hope this latest news are not true.
It's not supported in software yet. It will be with GDR3.
And Microsoft will do just that if they don't sort out the carrier blocking of updates and features like Data Sense; talking about you ATT.
I love my nokia 920 that replaced it even more, it's just little stupid issues like this that annoy the crap out of me.
"At the moment, HRM Bluetooth Smart (or X_CELL used as HRM) compatibility is only available on Nokia Lumia 520 (except T-Mobile US), 620, 720. It is not a hardware issue but an expected behavior. These phone models are Bluetooth Smart compatible like our sensors.
More phones with Bluetooth Smart will be compatible in the near future."
It also does not really say if it will be new phones or already released phones that will be included but I guess Nokia is the better one to answer about Nokia related stuff. :-)
Windows Phone 8 supports Bluetooth 3.1. This is an improved version of Bluetooth that automates the pairing process between Windows Phone 8 and Bluetooth devices, such as phone headsets, car audio systems, speaker docks, & NFC pairing. Windows Phone 8 supports the following Bluetooth user profiles: •Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP 1.2)
•Audio/Video Remote Control Profile (AVRCP 1.4)
•Hands Free Profile (HFP 1.5)
•Phone Book Access Profile (PBAP 1.1)
•Object Push Profile (OPP 1.1)
•Out of Band (OOB) & Near Field Communications (NFC)
I have a L620, a L520 has radio, mine not, but mine has BT4.0 LE, but a more expensive one, a top notch phone doesn't have those hardware???
I don't know how they think at Nokia
Does this mean the 920 has a chip capable of processing BT4, but doesn't have the radio hardware to transmit it?!
It's not the worldwide Nokia, just ignore it.
The [8/9/10]20 all have MSM8960 SOC the US version of Galaxy S3 also has the same SOC
just search for lumia 920 there and you will see that it has support for BT 4.0, even the 720 has the same support, no mention of "BT 4.0 LE" though.
I guess that this post is incorrect. It may have to do with some proprietary thing that the HRM does?
The wiki for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_low_energy seems to indicate that this is a software stack only thingy.
https://www.bluetooth.org/tpg/EPL_Detail.cfm?ProductID=29112 - main page
https://www.bluetooth.org/tpg/QLI_PRD2Profiles.cfm?varID=39504&ProductID=29112 - specifications, 4.0 detail
I'm looking forward to seeing what Microkia can produce.
Hopefully hardware designs that are more up to date and software updates and features that will be available more frequently!
When will people learn to not listen to Twitter accounts for anything other than announcements or leaks? The support information about future features that come from them is almost never accurate.
Microsoft, Nokia, and any other wp8 manufacture can't hope to compete against android/iOS if all of their hardware is a mess where customers have to worry if or if not the flaship or highend device they are buying will support the same hardware features as a lower end device in the same ecosystem (pissed I can't use the adidas mi coach monitor on my 920). The promise of a unified hardware/software ecosystem was the main reason I switched from iOS to wp8, and avoided android like the plauge, but my continued desire to stay with the platform is being tested by constant boneheaded mistakesm, lack of proper communication, and lack of carriers/hardware partners all being on the same page.
I can deal with the anemic and slow growing app store (the store does 90% of what I need beautifully out the box), and I can deal with specs that would be admittedly low end compared to other manufactures- because no other phone OS is optimized so well to scale across different hardware and run this smooth. What I can't tolerate is the growing hardware fragmentation and deliberate crippling of devices.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE WP8, and have been a customer since it's Day 1 release (spent almost 3 years on an iphone 3g waiting for wp7 to be released, bought a focus the day it came out), but I love it enough to see where MS is seriously fracking things up with their own ecosystem.
What I'm getting at is that the bare minimum should be maintained, especially on a flaship device. That goes a long way to maintaining the user experience for all.
Nokia just changes the software for each kind of type, even if the phone supports other stuff.
They just cut it out of the software. If we get it straight from the devs, so unaltered we get every feature added by the software, but it goes by Nokia and those cut out features for each phone.
To get differentation between their phones, but they already have differentations by the camera, cpu, gpu, memory and storage space used...
Bunch a fuss about nothing!!!!
"WP8 and Bluetooth 4.0
Currently Windows Phone 8 supports Bluetooth 3.1 and includes compatibility with following profiles: Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP 1.2) Audio/Video Remote Control Profile (AVRCP 1.4 Hands Free Profile (HFP 1.5) Phone Book Access Profile (PBAP 1.1) Object Push Profile (OPP 1.1) Out of Band (OOB) and Near Field Communications (NFC)
But the good news for the developers is that both the Lumia 820 and 920 will support Bluetooth 4.0 as per Bluetooth.org. Bluetooth WCN3660 chipset exists in Lumia 820 and 920 which not only has Bluetooth 4 capabilities but also has an FM transceiver, so it’s just the matter of time that WP8 will get a stack update. And due to its real world need and demand Microsoft will certainly put the required update soon.
There are two important terms that need to be understood:
Bluetooth Smart Ready Devices
These devices that receive data sent from Bluetooth/ Bluetooth Smart devices and with the help of sophisticated software mechanism transform this data into useful information. So when our WP devices will receive the BT 4.0 support they will fall in this bucket and be known as Bluetooth Smart Ready"
On a serious note everyone (myself included) who is sporting a flag ship device would be mighty pissed as this would be category beyond a monumental catastrophe. Especially given smart watches are coming back into "fashion" again.
Looks like im going to have to hold of that pacer bundle for awhile T_T, my gym group are all sheep (they all have upgraded from 5 to 5s - sim free aswell!!) and its driving me bonkers.
Can we then say that this link provides an almost accurate information
Is it better that you are told that it is not available and then find out at the end that it will be available?
Or, being told that it is available but in the end it really is not available?
Seriously... The phone was not advertised with it.