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Should you get the Preview for Windows Phone 8.1 Update? We tell you.

Earlier this week, Microsoft unveiled the feature set for Windows Phone 8.1 Update. As it turns out, there are quite a few new additions to the OS refresh that make it worth getting, including those Live Folders, rapid charging, improvements to Internet Explorer rendering and more.

However, there are many questions about the Preview for Developers program and what it means for those enrolled, but who do not yet have their Lumia Cyan update. We are going to walk through a few scenarios of what to expect depending on your setup.

The current 'hold' on Lumia Cyan updates

The Preview for Developers program is little to no risk for users, even though technically it "may" void your warranty. Having said that, we are not aware of any instances of people breaking their phones or denied service.

There is one issue though that is affecting many people, and it has to do with BitLocker, an encryption system for those on corporate accounts. People who are on the Preview for Developers for 8.1 and who are eligible for the Lumia Cyan update, cannot get it right now. Microsoft put a 'hold' on the update for everyone due to those with BitLocker being at risk during the update. As a precaution, all are blocked. The only people who can get Lumia Cyan are those on Windows Phone 8.0.

Now, three things:

  1. Microsoft is going to fix this, but there is no ETA. It may even come in next week's update, but we do not yet know
  2. IF (and only if) Lumia Cyan is now available for your Lumia, you can alternatively backup your phone, downgrade the OS to 8.0, take the proper updates and Lumia Cyan, hard-reset, and restore your backup. It is easy but time consuming to restore.
  3. Even without Lumia Cyan, you can still move from 8.1 to 8.1 Update without doing anything; you will get Cyan eventually, as you cannot miss updates. Just have patience.

For most of you, what is above is all you need to know. For others who want more, let us break down these scenarios.

Scenario 1: You already have Lumia Cyan and Windows Phone 8.1 (Lumias only)

Turn on your phone, go to Settings, and scroll down until you see Extras + Info. Open that up and if it says 'Software release: Lumia Cyan' you are on the latest update. The Lumia 630, Lumia 635, and Lumia 930 all come with Lumia Cyan automatically.

If you are on Lumia Cyan right now and obviously Windows Phone 8.1, then you can enroll in the Preview for Developers program by downloading the app, accepting the terms, and enabling it. When Update 1 is available, you will be notified that there is an update, and you are good to go.

Bottom Line:

There are no issues with this scenario.

Scenario 2: You are on Windows Phone 8.0 or 8.1 but do not have Lumia Cyan (Lumias only)

Turn on your phone, go to Settings, and scroll down until you see Extras + Info. Open that up and if it says 'Software release: Lumia Black' you are on the older update.

You can still enroll and use the Preview for Developers program. The update process below is what happens to you next week, depending on where you are starting:

  • Windows Phone 8.0 > Windows Phone 8.1 (1400) > Windows Phone 8.1 Update (141x)
  • Windows Phone 8.1 (1400) > Windows Phone 8.1 Update (141x)

If you are on Windows Phone 8.0, your phone gets a few updates to get to Update 1. If you already enrolled in Preview for Developers and you have 8.1 (but not Lumia Cyan), you simply move to 8.1 Update.

Whenever Microsoft lifts the 'hold' on the Lumia Cyan software for those in the Preview Program, Lumia Cyan is downloaded an applied to your phone.

Bottom Line:

If Lumia Cyan is not yet available and you are on 8.1 Preview, just take Update 1 and wait until a fix comes along, you will be fine in the end.

Scenario 3: Non-Lumia phones and 8.1 Update

As of now, Samsung, HTC, Huawei, and other have not started their 8.1 rollout. As such, it is unknown if they too have the BitLocker problem. Regardless, now that Microsoft is aware of it you can bet the switch will not be thrown unless they know it is safe, so do not worry about it.

Since there is no ETA on those updates from Samsung, HTC and others, if you want Windows Phone 8.1 Update 1 next week, just enroll on the Preview for Developers program, take the update and be happy.

Bottom Line:

If you are on 8.0 or 8.1 Preview, grab Update 1 if you want it next week. Your manufacturer or carrier can still push out the necessary firmware when they are ready. You cannot miss an update.

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

399 Comments
  • Definitely! Cant wait.
  • Once BETA, always BETA xD
  • Seriously, I'm sticking with preview for developers permanently, what's life without risks right :-)!
  • Well, norisk, but you do need official one for sure
  • Living on the edge I see - love that LOL! But @Theo_andravida is right, we also need Cyan for sure. But the article is very reassuring because it tell us we will get Cyan eventually when the bitlocker problem is resolved. So come on, bring out the Dev Prev Update next week! LOL!
  • I agree, I like anal sex
  • Nyaaaaan
  • xD whatever floats your boat.
  • That's what your boyfriend told me.
  • He likes getting DP all day (and I don't mean developer's preview)
  • I'm sure Lumia cyan has better camera algorithms. That's 1 reason I'd prefer cyan over dp at this time.
  • me too, but mostly because I also have a Lumia 822 in addition to my Lumia 928.  So, if something goes wrong with my 928 when i update it, it still have my 822 to fall back on (at least until i reset my 928).
  • BETA for life xD  
  • Yep. I'll stick with the developer program for the moment. It's the fastest way to receive updates
  • One week until my HTC 8S gets an OS update?!
  • I'm waiting!
  • Me too. I reset my phone last week because it was ruining slow and I lost loads of games progress including some in app purchases so I will never reset again
  • If you hard reset , you can still have app arrangement as it was before , of course if you have backed up your app and game list?
  • You should just easily be able to restore apps and IAPs, so long as you use the same Microsoft account you had before the reset. Many apps with IAPs already have a "restore purchases" button, and even if not: Just try making the same IAP again, it will be flagged as already purchased, and let you download it again for free.
  • IAP is?
  • In-App Purchase.
  • If you wait without doing the hard reset to get cyan and then the preview for 8.1 you will be happy to see that the backup system is a way better it restore everything with all your previous settings for all apps.... The backup on DP take like 12megs on Cyan iv got 96megs !!!
  • I backed up and got everything back but I lost all my game progress on a lot of games one which I have spent money on. I tried clicking on the same in app purchase but it didn't work
  • After you have installed Cyan or before ??
  • Cyan is not available for my phone yet but I have 8.1 on DP. App and settings backed up fine I just lost all my progress. Was gutted coz I never lose it when my phone updates. I lost progress for 2020 my country, harmony isle, demon defense, tiny death star, airport city and adventure town (yes I like the boring city building ones lol) I had bought credits in my country but now I have lost the progress
  • Awh ok, i was talking after Cyan and official WP 8.1 installed if you have to reset your phone for some reason you will get back nearly everything, setting apps, password, saved games...etc On DP you get only the apps you have installed and your background pictures
  • That has to do with your backup settings on 8.1. It's an OS thing, cyan has nothing to do with it.
  • I said that because the official 8.1 update is installed with Cyan update, i know that the backup thing has nothing to do with Cyan, everyone know this !!!
  • Developer Preview gives you the exact same build of 8.1 as Cyan does... Developer Preview /is/ the official version of WP8.1. OS wise: There is zero difference between someone running 8.1 from the Developer Preview and someone who got it from Cyan.
  • Actually there is a difference because the DP version update 2 OS number is 8.10.1293.890 and the official OS number is 8.10.12397.895 !!
  • Latest DP build is 8.10.124000.899, so /technically/ it's slightly newer than the build being shipped with Cyan. But it's just very tiny, very much under-the-hood optimizations and improvements. No real difference in terms of user experience, at least that are noticeable.
  • you maybe right, i just notice that the backup system is better !!! Thats all...
  • Chill out peeps. I didn't mean to start an argument. I had everything set to backup but I think that it is the app developers decision whether they program it so that the progress
  • We weren't arguing to my knowledge. I was just trying to figure out what you were getting at, because data being backed up should incur literally no change between DP and Cyan. So indeed it was likely just more app developers flipping the switch to "on" for app data backup.
  • But warranty cancelation? Gonna wait for a week i suppose..
  • The wording says "may" not that it will. It's more of a protection clause, not that they are necessarily worried. Having said that, I am not aware of anyone bricking their phones and not getting help.
  • Oh ok. I may take wp 8.1 in this week or next. Should i right then download DP and get update 1, is it recommended and safe? Or should i wait for it officially tocome out?
  • I mean, at this point just wait until it is announced and see what happens. Or you could do it now, it doesn't really matter, in the end we all end up in the same spot. Some just get their sooner than others ;)
  • Excellent article!
  • Don't forget that there is also the nokia software recovery tool that you can use if things should go wrong. it will nicely figure out the latest official software for your phone and recover it to that. A pretty painless process I underwent with a 928 that I wanted to pass onto someone without developer preview.
  • Why is it always "update" not GDR1 ? is there something we don't know ? or just naming it like that post ?
  • GDR1 is the internal name. 'Windows Phone 8.1 Update' is the public name. Note: Microsoft does not call it 'Update 1' as we do because it necessarily implies there is an 'Update 2' ;) That is a borderline announcement, so they just say 'Update' with no further promises.
  • Well, im a little confused with this and that , so ill play it safe and wait i guess.. :|
  • Kinda like Tylenol and acetaminophen
  • +1
  • :D
  • I wish it was just Windows Phone 8.1.1/8.1.2/8.1.3 it just makes more sense.
  • Actually it is, but it is called more than one ways
  • It's not.. look at the build version...
  • +822
     
  • I have not bricked my phone, but I will say that Nokia refused to service my phone with battery issues (which I had before 8.1) just because I was running the Dev Preview.
  • If you had issues with your battery then it was VERY dumb to not get that fixed before joining something that tells you that it might void your warranty.
  • I'm just stating my experience. I did it as I assumed the Battery Saver feature might actually help. Its not really that dumb, if I cared enough I would just use the recovery tool and get it fixed.
  • Sure, it would have been a nice plan to rty that out and if it didn't help then flash it back and ask for help. But you couldn't possibly expect them to fix the phone in less than an hour. So why even try to ask for help without even flashing it back? You story does not hold my friend.
  • True, very foolish thing to do
  • Now that we have software from Nokia to help with bricked phones, I don't feel scared living on the edge. You should link to that program as well.
  • We think alike LOL!
  • No, upgrading to WP 8.1 DP it doesn't void your warranty, cuz that is considered an official update from Microsoft. So, you are safe with that. But Daniel I have a request. We, the normal mortal users, we write so many emails asking Samsung will they support their WP8 devices like ATIV S, ATIV SE, etc... but we haven't get an answer yet, or some people get the answer but in form like "We are not aware of that ... blah blah blah". Could you guys as a respective and well know web site, ask Samsung directly will they roll out their firmware for the WP8.1 so we who are still on WP8 GDR3 to know will we get the upgrade or not? Maybe they will answer you cuz your site is well known in those circles. Thank you :)
  • Samsung, they only care about money, no appreciation in customers and on their support to help them, that is why microsoft is the future
  • Since you are not providing any evidence on that, i can only assume that u are a troll talking out of his a$$.
  • Yeah, definitely, especially when they admitted to a faulty batch of S4 batteries and provided new, free batteries to anyone afflicted over the counter, no need to send your phone away. Such money whores they are.
  • My Lumia 720 (BRAZIL) got broke and I sent it to Nokia Care, they told that warranty fix was under Nokia approval (because screen was completely cracked) and I tought that they would deny it because it was running 8.1 DP, but they approved and they are now fixing it (they're even putting a new glass screen for free!) \o/
  • Well ok, lucky you! :3
  • Even I got my phone fixed here. On warranty even though I was on dp !!
  • Well I think they wont really get too deep in your software, cuz yours was a hardware issue.
  • I sent my 8.1 do in for warranty repair, no problem.
  • DP?
  • Double penetration.
  • I had the preview update before 8.1 on my 521 when I traded it to tmobile for the 925. Nothing was said.
  • I have preview for developers and my warranty wasn't cancelled ;)
  • Why microsoft mentioning it then for start when it does not cancel warranty :(
  • They. Said "may"
  • Thanks for that
  • I don't know about others, but i definitely will
  • You know what is stupid about the hold. As WPCentral reported and as logic would dictate, the people who would actually have bit locker and be affected are a minority. So, the majority are being held back, because of the few. This would be ok and understandable if Nokia didn't have their recovery tool. Microsoft actually suggests to use this tool. So, why not let everyone who didn't have bit locker (which is the vast majority) get the update and let IT departments deal with this issue by turning off updates as a group policy or something like that? Either everyone on Preview needs to use the recovery tool to get on Update 1, or a handful who have bit locker do to fix a bricked phone.
  • Technically no one has to use the recovery tool, as people could just wait. It is unfortunate about the minority blocking the majority thing, but AFAIK there is no way to selectively block based on BitLocker enrollment alone. All the Preview program does is tell the phone's OS "Look here at this URL, not the regular one for an update".
  • But since the phones are set to work on company policies once paired with a corporate account, IT departments could just disable updates, could they not?
  • Probably, and you would think so. Microsoft is just being precautions.
  • I think this is a reaction to their target audience. Microsoft caters to corporate environments and wants to keep those businesses that use WP happy. They need that market badly to succeed in the US.
  • And I know we don't have to use it, but it's just seems knee-jerk that, since there is a solution for any phone that does get bricked to be un-bricked, it was stopped in the first place. Or at least resumed by now, even with the issue persisting (which could be patched later).
    I know it's not a huge deal, but it is a tad frustrating when there are fixes and a brick doesn't mean the end of the world.
  • Seems like the installer itself could detect BitLocker and refuse to continue. But there must be a technical reason why it doesn't, like the need to roll out a third update that everyone would have to download.
  • Yup, probably something like that! #awesomeupdate3on2015?!
  • Daniel, I need your help. I have a different problem! When I got Amber OTA I updated to gdr3 with DP then to 8.1 with DP too! Now when I go to "extras + info" it says "Amber". The black update is now available for my phone but when I check for updates it say is already up to date with Amber! Now, my volume buttons stopped working and I think it's cause this whole mess! Please what should I do! Help me! Thank you anyway!!!
  • Maybe it will work when you update to Cyan? Otherwise you might have to use the Nokia software to roll back to 8.0 which should give you black (hopefully).
  • Yeah, I'll try! Thank you Alesandro!
  • Extras+info might need updating; that could fix it to say Lumia black.
  • Thats why i never use DP
  • I had the same issue, tried to return it to 8.0, didn't work. I sent it to my carrier so they could solve it, they returned it to me running Lumia Black. It was, however, back on 8.0, but after an hour I had it on 8.1. They had no trouble with the phone running Preview for Developers or being Developer Unlocked and did it all for free, even if they said they'd charge me about 3.500 Chilean pesos (like 7 dollars). Good luck!
  • I think the bitlocker issue is a bigger one. Everything was perfect on my htc 8x until I had to activate it because of my corporate email policy and then suddenly wp8.1 update build 12400 bricked my phone. It was very strange though the update went without issues but after the first restart I got a blue screen error. I could not find a solution so far and it seems I have to go to the service center.
  • You forgot to say, "Excluding the Lumia 810"
  • +810 We don't even get Black; ours are (forever) stuck on Amber.
  • Nokia/Microsoft/TMobile needs to take responsibility and have a trade in offer or something similar for the inconveniences caused to 810 users.
  • Waiting eagerly
  • Has there been any news on the Lumia 920 getting cyan on att yet?
  • If there was news we'd share.
  • Just want sure with all the news lately if I had just managed to overlook it. Hahah. Anyway, thanks for all you guys do! Locked out of cyan anyway with dp, so its the waiting game for me! :)
  • I hope lumias 520 get it this week! Cant there anything be done to push the update? You from your position sam?
  • I was on the phone a few days ago with an AT&T support rep who said 920 is slated to get the update this month (August).
  • I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. But thanks for posting this anyways
  • Well, there are a lot of exceptions and misunderstandings. I even found it hard to write this for the 'everyday' man.
  • I have read everything on this and still can't figure out what the hell is going on.  So I'm just going to sit back and enjoy my DP and wait for the big official rollout of Update (aka Update 1, not Update 2).
  • Some users with BitLocker on their Lumias got their phones bricked by the 8.1+Cyan update. Because of this, Microsoft decided that until they solve the issue, people whose phones can get the Cyan update but are enrolled on the Preview for Developers program won't get Cyan. So, they have recommended people who want Cyan right now and whose carriers have already released this firmware update to downgrade to 8.0 before they get Cyan. But you can still wait for the issue to be solved and keep in 8.1 Dev. Preview until Microsoft lifts the "ban" for Cyan.
  • Thank you for writing this article. I repair computers for a living, and have found it hard to explain to my clients what's going on in a way that explains, without diving into incomprehensible technical language. I am amazed at what constitutes "incomprehensible technical language". It doesn't take much...still learning after 2.5 years... I downgraded to 8.0 based on the other articles regarding DP, Bitlocker and such, but now am confident that everything will work in the end. So, I'm upgrading this evening back to 8.1 DP. I've got a Lumia 928, so it'll be a while for Big Red (Verizon) to get official 8.1/Cyan out; I can wait. Suggestion: in light of the massive user confusion between OS (8.1) and firmware (Cyan), it might be a good idea to say "Cyan firmware", so some might see the difference. Just a thought.
  • Maybe we will get 8.1 from HTC on august 21st?
  • Yea, I was thinking the same thing, some time late August.
  • Or maybe that will be just a start of their distribution of 8.1 just like Nokia did.
  • my body is ready
  • My phone is more than readyy ;)
  • Daniel - How can Cyan be pushed to Dev Preview 8.1 Update 1 , as there is higher OS version now , i know they work independently firmware vs OS ( usually nokia firmware includes OS ) . Scenario - User updates Dev Preview 8.1 Update 1 ( using live folders / sms / new features ). Update notification comes few days later ( Cyan ) , it gets rid of  live folders/ new features etc. May be i am confused. !
  • What is so hard to understand,cyan are firmware stuff,update 1 is OS updates
  • Don't think about it too hard. Just accept it on faith ;) But if you want to know: The firmware gets applied to devices with a certain OS build or higher. It is not targeted to one specific build number. Cyan is on devices with OS builds 12359, 12397 and 12400. So if OS is build 12359 or >, move on to Cyan. (Assuming Microsoft is not blocking you)
  • I'm confused too, it seemed to be a kinda downgrade from Update 1" to cyan.
    But lets see if Microsoft will fiX the bit locker thingy before pushing out Update 1.
  • I think they will, they work really hard, thank you Microsoft?
  • Cyan is firmware, not a WP version. It's an upgrade from Black, not WP 8.0,  8.1, or 8.1 update 1. To draw a flawed but adequate analogy for the Cyan/ 8.1 update situation, the firmware is like your basement and the OS is like your house. 8.1 update 1 is adding another story to your house, while Cyan is installing a gym in your basement. They have nothing to do with each other and are just two different upgrades. In general there's more of a relationship between firmware and OS, but for this case it's that simple. I do hope they fix the bitlocker thing soon, but it doesn't matter if it's before or after update 1.
  • You are confused. As you say, yes Cyan is independent of the OS (just distributed at the same time officially). So if you move to PfD 8.1 Update, you will get Cyan when it's released for your phone later on (once the BitLocker update bug is fixed). In the scenario you describe, you will not lose the Update features.
  • It will not because when your phone notifies you about the update, it will show you TWO different packages: The Windows Phone, or Microsoft Update (xxxxx), which is the OS update, and then the Nokia update xxxxx, which is the firmware update.
    The ROLLOUT process (usually) includes both. The packages come together, but independently. Do you get it now?
  • Scenario 4:
    You own a Lumia 810 still running the Amber update and are keeping your phone up to date through the Dev Preview. Bottom line:
    I hate T-Mobile.
  • My condolences. At least you got Amber before they stopped updating; that added more interesting stuff than Black or Cyan, such as Glance.
  • Yeah, I guess that's true. Sucks that I paid just to lose support shortly after :\
  • Why I sold my 810. Also T-Mobile's bad rural coverage.
  • And in articles to come about updates to remaining phone people will always ask whether downgrade or no and when will update come for my phone?
    just wait,relax,chill,like this article said be patient or downgrade and do it ,ezpz
  • Pretty straightforward. I think we needed an article like this to appease the panic and bring some clarity. Thank you so much. Still, I would love it if Microsoft would share the progress of the fix or give at least a ballpark ETA. ;)
  • Well done Daniel! Thank you.
  • My NFC stopped working after the last update which Microsoft pulled. Hope it's a software and will get fixed, bit could also be just the hardware broke.
  • But i have one question: Are Samsung and Htc even doing 8.1 for their existing phones?
  • HTC confirmed it a couple of times ... they are probably holding it until the new phone comes out ... all OEMs do that.
  • HTC has said they are, and I see no reason why Samsung would not as well.
  • Because Microsoft sued them ? ;)
  • Yep, they told me via Twitter. I asked for the 8X. They told me: 'soon', and then wrote: we will concact providers.
  • I still want to know why some HTC phones won't find the update at all...my other 8XT will not update to 8.1 DP...been that way for 6 weeks! and yes...I'm signed up, app installed, enabled, etc...it will not find the update...and I'm not alone.
  • On my Lumia 925... Downgraded got cyan upgraded for 8.1 installed developer preview now waiting on 8.1 update 1 .. Good to go. Took a while. I'd like to sign into my phone and everything just reinstall without me having to go through it. Even Skype I had to sign in. But its my phone and I signed in with my Microsoft credentials already...
  • Nothing great about cyan by the way...
  • Xaxaxa, you say? -_-
  • It really depends. On my Lumia 1520, it was a pretty big update.
  • Big in size or big in awesomeness? :P I am really loooking forward to it, ill love it! You cant say its nothing special about it!...
  • The Fitbit app suddenly made me care about Cyan on the 920. It does more cool stuff for newer phones though.
  • You mean the cyan right ? Not 8.1
  • I already have the update for my HTC 8XT and I can't wait for update 1!
  • No cyan for my 920 yet, so I am gonna get the update. Hopefully Ms will gave a fix soon.
  • i got a CV Lumia 520 with WP8.1 and lumia black,what to do?
  • Read the article.
  • Wait until you get the next update.
  • Yup, wait, its not long now!
  • Simple, clear and well written. There is a lot of confusion and disinformation about the Cyan/Preview for Developers theme, that this kind of articles are very welcome and helpful. Gracias.
  • Good article explains the situation very well. Now just wait. In a couple of hours we're going to get a whole lot of nonsense posted in the comments because certain people need to display their self absorbed incompetance.
  • Yup, I fear that too.
  • A couple of hours? You have little faith in our community. The comments have already begun!
  • Let's further assume I have a Lumia for which Cyan is not available yet (e.g. L920) and I have DP8.1 installed for which I'd be able to update to Update 1 next week. If I stay on DP I would have to wait for the fix until I can get Cyan If Cyan is released first for the L920 and there is still no ETA for the fix I could downgrade to 8.0, upgrade to 8.1, get Cyan, and install DP and get 8.1 Update 1 on DP - and I don't have to wait. The likelihood this happens is a wild guess of course.
  • Cyan is (Imo) not worth the hassle. Got it. Nothing changed on my phone. If it comes, it comes
  • Yes, exactly. I'm on an ATT 920 (only vendor in the US) and on devpreview too. ATT hasn't released cyan yet, so in my case, there's zero point in restoring, downgrading, updating, since cyan won't be available. People who have cyan available can do the whole process and then get all updates... or just wait a bit longer for the bitlocker bug to be fixed and then get everything a bit later. Personally, I'll wait. I'll get wp8.1 update 1 next week and whenever cyan is available it'll be pushed OTA to my phone. None of these updates are huge (well, those IE changes in update 1 are kind of a big deal to me) so waiting a bit longer isn't hard.
  • Yeah IE is all I care about in Update 1. I don't care about the folders since I haven't changed my Start screen since 8.0. Heck, I haven't taken advantage of the wallpapers in 8.1 and I don't plan to either.
  • I was bored last night, so I rolled back my Lumia 925 (ATT) to 8 and received the updates.  Now on 8.1 with Cyan.  I guess Cyan means different things to different models.   It is time consuming as Daniel said, and it took a lot longer than I wanted to mess with (do not start this process at 11 pm!).  925 is running in tip top shape!  Now I will re install the Dev Preview app to see what else come!  Was hoping to see the brightness slider,  but it did not come to the 925; still have low, medium and high for brightness. 
  • Go Microsoft update 1
  • I've given up Cortana waiting on the next update that includes the UK. Hopefully won't be long..
  • Daniel, just out of curiosity, do you know if this is a bug present in current official Windows Phone 8.1 phones (with BitLocker) as well, so that it would cause problems if they get the Update (either through PfD program or later through official channels)? Or is it ONLY an issue with the Cyan update and not caused at all by the actual official Windows Phone 8.1 OS install? If it's an issue with WP8.1, and not just the PfD or Cyan update process, I would assume Microsoft will be even more diligent about getting a fix out, which would be good for everyone and hopefully mean the fix is included in WP 8.1 Update itself (so we won't have to rollback to 8.0, and also not have to wait too much longer).
  • The problem seems to be how Cyan handles the devpreview 8.1 updating process. For all we know, Microsoft could have fixed the bug in update 1 and so once devpreview users update to it all we'll have to do is wait for our carriers to make Cyan available.
  • Some people are amazing ,after every article they ask when will it come for my phone or why can't Microsoft fix issues and let DP users get it,have people forgotten that developer preview is really a beta,despite how good it works,it's all really beta and you surely didn't read anything before you installed about it saying that.i have 1020 unlocked Singapore variant running DP8.1 ,can easily do backup,downgrade & get cyan,or just wait it out, there has even been an app developed an you can pin on start screen to see when update is available,why always come and rant and question? It's under testing and will be rolled out,everyone just seems to want everything NOW .it doesn't happen that way
  • Jesus Christ I've lost count of how many times I've said this: dev preview is NOT A BETA. We got RTM software. Any 8.1 builds after that are post-RTM. DEV PREVIEW IS NOT A BETA!
  • TL;DR: rollinadice is basically right but used the wrong word. There's this big debate about whether the DP is beta and it's mostly because some people use the term beta loosely. It is a simple fact that the 8.1 DP was never a "beta". It was RTM, which is a label given by MS to a certain stable build. Before that we can assume they internally had builds labeled as beta and RC. But no build released under the DP was beta or even RC. This is not disputable as those are just names MS gives them. It doesn't mean the build would never get an update. If that's your definition of beta, then 7.8 is the only version of WP out of beta. However, it was a prerelease build because there were more updates before GA, and more importantly, it wasn't released the normal way, packaged with the firmware. This theoretically shouldn't have mattered, but for bitlocker users it did. The nonstandard upgrade path wasn't sufficiently tested, and so the use-at-your-own -risk nature of the dev preview did come into effect in this case.
  • thanks mate ;-) , i did use wrong word but i glad you see where i coming from
  • Toilet I presume? you were little jumpy there.. :)
  • Good write up Daniel, should help people. Thanks
  • Great article by the way it needed to be explained. I wasn't sure so decided to downgrade etc...
  • I have Amber + PFD of Black (GDR2) + PFD 8.1 so at this point my phone is full of Previews and one more it wont be a problem for me xD I'm not that patient for wait official releases of my carrier :P
  • Your phone can't be said to have a preview of software that's been released ages ago lol
  • Xaxaxalol
  • Thank you Daniel. I am on DP 8.1 L920 and was unsure what to do as far as 8.1 update and no cyan yet. This makes it crystal clear.
  • Will my Nokia 3310 be getting cyan, even if I haven't got DP installed?
  • LOL
  • Nobody likes a phone dialler without cursor. Speaking of 3310, it also has cursor in phone dialer, but WP doesn't http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/101801-feature-suggestions/suggestions/2294827-cursor-in-phone-dialler-to-allow-editing iOS made this blunder for the first time in the history of phones. Android has it, even Window Mobile had it. This is what happened on this account: - iOS dropped it for the first time in the name of their uniqueness craze: only fanboys know how to defend it by telling you why you don't need it - Android copied everything from iOS except for this, which they copied from Windows Mobile: their users are happy with sanity - Windows Phone copied iOS: fanboys copied their fanboys' argument   They just bit the wrong part of Apple there, instead of trusting their own sanity and paying attention to detail that what the heck they are about to do..
  • Awful lot of "if's", I'll wait.
  • Which is fine too. The take away though is this: Whatever you do, at some point, we will all be on the same OS build and firmware. It's just how you get there. There really is zero risk here.
  • +1520 One question: can we say the same thing about the 810 folks still running T-mobile Amber?
  • I had developer view installed, then the cyan update came available for my att 1520. I did downgrade and do the necessary steps to install and honestly I'm glad I did. The firmware has made my phone run even better. Before the cyan update there were screen flickering issues and slider volume errors. Along with minor other tweaky issues. After the cyan update my phone head never run smoother..... Yeah it takes a little time to reinstall apps from the SD card because I save everything to my SD card and you can't use the apps on the SD card until you redownload them all. But all said and done my phone is absolutely amazing right now. and after all this, I need not to worry about the hold on cyan or other updates.
  • Yup, and I agree. This is something to consider if we tell you Cyan is available right now for your phone. But I do not recommend people do it if it is not yet available. No point just yet.
  • Daniel - you should make a brief post stating that dev preview is NOT a beta. People keep thinking it is and not undesrtanding that we received the RTM version and anything after that has been post-rtm. It would be a good idea to make a post about it if only to simply educate all our forum users and posters.
  • I have said that numerous times, and tried to explain, but yeah, I can do a 'splain it to me like I'm 5' on that too.
  • Xaxaxa , well said :D
  • Thank  you for clarifying this topic.  I don't understand the confusion that is evident after reading this post.  Nice work.
  • So yes I should. It's a good thing that the Preview for Developers program exists, but the lack of optimized firmware in these releases drains the battery a lot faster than with finalized software, says my 620.
  • Ahhh... Nice, comfortable waiting.
  • Doesn't lumia already have app folders? I do!
  • Nope. Just a crappy , impractical app
  • Actually, I found very useful the Lumia app folder, but I am very curious about the new one.
  • Would like to see a feature that would let you pin website shortcuts into a folder. I have several websites pinned to the start screen and placing them all in one folder would clean things up a bit. I uses UC Browser now but...
  • They're getting a lot better and will expand in place instead of opening up the folder app.
  • Opening on app folder? Come on,,,,thats pointless, stupid....
  • Here is my concern - after installing 8.1 there have been a few issues with my icon like the camera taking awhile to load and the screen taking time to turn on. Additionally picture quality seems worse. I assume that the cyan update will fix this but I'm concerned I will get cyan, it will optimize my icon for the 8.1 update, but then ill get 8.1 update 1 and I will no longer be optimized
  • The Cyan update has definitely fixed picture quality, but the launch speed is still an issue. I can't say it was ever that fast for me, though, using Nokia Camera on my 1520. If I switch my default to the Microsoft Camera, it launches almost instantly, which tells me the problem is with the app itself. Turning Living Images off helps, but there is still a delay. I can't help but share your concern about losing the Lumia Cyan optimizations if I upgrade to Update 1. I tried to ask Joe Belfiore about this, but he never responds to my questions on Twitter.
  • CAN'T WAIT !!! +920
  • Nice write-up
  • Thank you!!!!!
  • That eased my mind on what will in the unity case the fix came before the update. As long as I am in the preview program, I will receive the update. The only people affected immediately are those using bit locker. My question in the article is the use of the word "many." As a % how many were affected by this bug?
  • I do not endorse using preview for developers. Upgrading my Lumia 822 to 8.1 before Cyan came out resulted in my camera not working at all, GPS inaccuracy/infrequent updates, and song info not showing when playing in my car. I've had to go without a phone camera for over a month now. Does anyone know if there will be a Lumia firmware update alongside 8.1 GDR1 or if Cyan takes care of it as well? I will be dropping out of Preview for Developers if a firmware update is needed for every OS update.
  • I had zero issues with 8.1dp on my 920 and 1520...
  • The Lumia 822 seems to have more problems than those devices. I have had so many problems with my 822 and all my friends with the 920 haven't had any problems. The only problem I saw on a 920 wasn't a software issue. It was his screen that cracked.
  • This tends to happen with carrier-specific variants. I wish they would do away with things like this.
  • Several users on XDA recommends on avoiding the 8.1 Update for ALL CDMA devices, whether you are on Verizon, Sprint, U.S. Cellular, or any TD-SCDMA carrier in China. There are miscellaneous problems resetting your phone making it an extremely sub-optimal experience. I guess there still is even though its now back to the RTM build. I know it seems to work okay on the Icon and the 928, but I'm still avoiding it for the ATIV SE as that's my main driver until I can figure out how I can provide the firstInteropUnlock on it.... The Odyssey that I used seems to be taking it better since I reset it more recently (my last reset was during a preview built and not the RTM build we now have). I'd make the jump if there were ROMs available for the ATIV SE, just incase something goes wrong.
  • Very clear...thank you for this! Looks like I don't have to wait after all and will just update to Update 1. If none else, I can do the lengthy process and be okay with the Software Restore Tool
  • Thanks! It's clear now.
  • So I'm on my Lumia Icon. Still have Black and 8.0 and haven't tried the DP. Is it worth getting the DP or should I just wait. I'm really anxious and want to see what 8.1 is all about.
  • You can. There is only ONE issue you need to be aware of: the Icon and 8.1 without firmware has a weird display-power on issue. Basically, it takes sometimes 2 presses to turn on the display. It's random, soft resetting gets rid of it for awhile, but it can be annoying. I don't regret putting 8.1 on it though, it's not that bad. Just be aware. Try our Lumia Icon forums for more info about it from others!
  • Just a stupid question...what is lumia icon?..
  • The Lumia 929 for Verizon (Known as 930 elsewhere)
  • Oh...xaxa
  • Ok, I'll take your word and take the risk to update to update 1 nest week, still wish MS work out the fix of 8.1dp before that...
  • Thanks Dan !
  • Good article.
  • A good and robust article, Daniel. Thank you.
  • Can I Install 8.1 Preview for Developers after downgrade to Windows 8.0 with Lumia Cyan?
  • You can get 8.1 preview whenever, but if you downgraded to 8 already, then wait for Cyan/8.1 (non-DP release) to be on your phone before reactivating the DP. Otherwise, if you want Cyan before they unblock it, you'd just have to downgrade to 8 all over again.
  • I think the confusion came from people thinking that 8.1 and Cyan were bundled together and were not released as separate updates, just because they get sent to the phone at the same time. That wasn't made clear in the article either.
  • I think I'd rather be on the bleeding edge, especially as a Windows Phone salesman. It's good to be knowledgeable about the latest of your product.
  • Thanks Dan for the article ! Been waiting for this one to clear my confusing
  • Very good article. It solved my questions. Keep it up WPC!
  • For the first time in a very long time having a non Lumia phone is an advantage. +8x
  • Any word on whether or not Bluetooth is disabled? I have cyan on my 1520 and was considering getting a Fitbit wristband, but not if I can't use it with Update 1 DP.
  • Why would Bluetooth be disabled? Has it been before?
  • Yes, 8.1 (without Cyan) broke Black/GDR3's BT 4.0 LE. So it's a valid question but let's hope that issue was a one-time thing.
  • This +1520! I don't want to upgrade to DP Update 1 if I lose all of the improvements and optimizations Cyan brought.
  • Sorry, how do I know if my phone has BitLocker?
  • Ask your network administrator. If it wasn't setup for you by a network administrator you don't have bitlocker.
  • My 920 on 8.1 (update 0) gets very very hot easily. Do you know if Cyan or 8.1 UP 1 fix that issue?
  • I'll just run with the DP on my 920. At this point I doubt the firmware updates in cyan (if AT&T releases it) will be worth it. I'll just go with DP8.1.1 instead.
  • That is till AT&T gets a nice 8.1.1 replacement to use.
  • believe me, Cyan is worth the hassle.
  • Thats for dure, look at all this fuss and comments! Just wow, right?
  • For the record, neither my HTC 8xt or my Samsung Ativ S Neo have the BitLocker lockup problem, it is enabled on both. It is kind of nice to not be dependent on "Cyan".
  • Anybody has the problem with the headphones button not working even after Cyan update? It was all working fine on my Lumia 920 & Lumia 925. But after the DP 8.1 installation on both phones the headphone button stopped working. I was hoping, that the Cyan FW might fix it, but with no luck after Cyan installed on my Lumia 925.
    Anybody else is experiencing same problem?
  • L521 with WP8.1 DP running Lumia black. I'll wait for cyan. No biggie. Lookin forward to the update for WP8.1 tho :D
  • I'll be completely shocked if Microsoft actually releases update 1 next week.
  • The only problem I have reverting back is the "restore". It never works. I just did this to a 520 with developer preview. Went to settings >> backup, backed up app/settings, did restore back to 8.0 via Nokia tool, logged back into phone with MS account, went to backup, no option to restore, shows nothing backed up for phone. Nothing changed but downgrade and update. 3 phones, all same issue. No restore capability and syncing does not sync home screen and/or apps. Only colors. Hopefully will be addressed in WP9 to behave like W8.
  • WRONG!!! 1- backup 2- downgrade 3- don't restore!!! just update the phone, restore is not compatible with WP8 it's for WP8.1 only. 4- hard reset 5- restore very simple it works for me...
  • Windows Phone 8.1 Update 1 For Dummies. Sounds like a good book.
  • Hey that's my name!  Look mom I'm on the news! :D Well, I'm definately excited for Update 1. I'll get it even if it means having to downgrade when Cyan comes out for my Lumia 1020 (AT&T).
  • Great article! Thank you!
  • Just few weeks ago Microsoft and Windows Phone Central recommended all the preview for developer user to first downgrade their software in order to get the Lumia Cyan. I did exactly this. What's going on now?
  • Good article. Exactly what I thought based on your previous articles..
  • Sounds good, but I remember this:
    In April i enrolled on DP on my 620 which ran amber at that time.
    Back in May was when my network provider released the Black firmware
    My phone on DP would never ever get the black firmware, even  if i disabled the preview program, or enabled it
    I was forced to downgrade to 8.0 to get Black. (and then enrolled again on DP)
    Now since with Cyan is a different problem, i'm sure Microsoft will have a proper solution.
  • I'm gonna update to Update 1, and just wait for the Cyan Update when it gets released to the Preview Program, hopefully soon because I want to get a Fitbit and that needs Cyan for it to work optimally...
  • Even if cyan is released to the dp program by Microsoft, you still need your carrier to push it ( in some countries , you could wait for 3 months to get it )
  • Wow, wtf?
  • This article is helpful, thanks
  • I been part of DPP since april, I knew the risks, Now I have Cyan, because I have nothing to fear by doing a downgrade to get the much needed update. I downloaded the DP app again and waiting for the new features... I will keep my self on this beautiful experience of being a test pilot for this amazing OS...
  • Well said!
  • Nicely said, it is lovely experience for sure ^^
  • I hope doesnt break the Bluetooth drivers again
  • My extras and info says Lumia threshold, what does that mean? On a Lumia 930
  • Very funny
  • Lumiatrolls.com prank lol :D
  • A really informative article for me. I am currently on 8.1 DP (no bitlocker issues) and waiting for Cyan for my phone/region. I think I will get the Update 1 next week and then wait for the 'hold' to get removed and then get Cyan.
  • Once you go DP , You never come back ;)
  • Samsung updated their wp7 printer app for 8/8.1 & released it for all devices
    http://www.windowsphone.com/s?appid=1316f2ef-cf45-43d4-9d7e-45b569d6f592
  • Thanks for the great point-by-point explanation/information! Lots of confusion out there. Since my Aviv St is running great on DP 8.1(except for the camera bug) I will just relax til Samsung releases firmware and take the 8.1 update. Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • Whats rapid charging?
  • Yeah, is it going to effect is with old hardware? Or is it only applicable with the new one
  • I think with new one, but i hope it goes with old one too..
  • Yeah it's hardware , it comes in Qualcomm soc , so basically only on new devices
  • Well, its ok then :)
  • I was on DP, but I used that NOKIA recovery tool and went back to 8.0 and am now on Cyan. 8.1 is a tremendous update and I can just wait it out for everything that comes afterwards.
  • Well, I already love DP 8.1 and has no problem until now
  • Nokia Lumia WPBeta haha, thats cute, i already miss our betamax
  • Just one question, is GRD1 going to override the Bluetooth 4.0LE drivers on devices with cyan firmware?
  • I'll opt out of this one. WP 8.1 is too much temptation not to get it asap. But this smaller update, I'll wait for the official firmware from Nokia, ups... Microsoft mobile oy.
  • I have been using DP, and downgraded to 8.0 to install Cyan firmware on my 520. I think Cyan updates are not that much of a need right away. I mainly updated for nokia camera, battery and audio enhancements (no battery life improvements noticed so far... Testing the other two...). I have my DP app enabled to get 8.1 GDR. The only negative feedback I have is that I backed up my device, but after downgrading, the device only detected the back up before I enabled DP to get 8.1 preview.... Since completing my test up and installing Cyan my recent back up is being read... Either that or my device replaced the old backup... Either way, your not losing out of you stick with DP 8.1, it was always awesome and a huge leap from 8.0 (going back to 8.0 will make you realize just how impressive 8.1 is!)
  • I'll be installing as soon as it goes live! Forever a DP man!
  • My 1520 with 8.1/Cyan is ready!
  • As is mine! Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • My ATIV SE is Reggie. (for the Samsung firmware update)
  • Okay...no problem....im waiting.....to catch this wp8.1 update 1
  • It's just frustrating because it's almost as if Microsoft didn't test the one use case that its own employees should've provided (i.e. bitlocker enabled by corporate policy on phones running the developer preview) and now we have to pay the price for their lack of QA. It's also frustrating when they don't provide ETA for a fix that should be not only easy to replicate but to fix.
  • Thank you for this information. Can't wait for update 1 next week!!
  • Probally I will get it next Saturday, August 9, 2014! Just saying.
  • How about DP8.1 but without the BitLocker? Can get the Cyan Update?
  • Does anyone got / gets cyan update for L920?
  • No, not yet available for any 920.
  • Totally off topic but what ever happened to that thing we windows phone users were gonna get that was going to make the world jealous? Any word on that lol just curious
  • I cant wait to get the update
  • Mine wife's service was denied in Nokia care. Her 520 has dust in the screen. They denied removing it because she have 8.1 dp. The technician said if something happen to other parts while i try to remove the dust, it will be repaired out of warranty.
  • My Lumia 1320 Got Cyan update not DP. But I'll wait for official release of all Microsoft Updates as I'm too lazy to use DP.
  • Mystery solved
  • Thanks this means alot
  • So let me get this straight, EVERYONE on 8.1 DP, despite having BitLocker or not, are on hold to get the Cyan update. Correct? Because my 925 is unlocked, but I haven't got the update yet. If the case is this, I'll be relieved.
  • Correct (please read article's 4th para again).
  • In short, Yes. The thing is, if users are asking all these questions about DP, you shouldn't be using it. Cyan is 'firmware'. Nothing to do with the OS, which is seperate. If you upgrade from WP8, you will get both the firmware (cyan) and WP8.1 (OS). You can then register again via the Preview for Developer program in readiness for Upgrade 1. Just run the program again. If you are already on DP 8.1, you will only receive the Cyan firmware part when available as the DP part is 8.1 already. DP is NOT an upgrade to WP 8.1. If you are on DP8.1 and haven't received the Cyan firmware, you will only receive the 8.1.1 part, unless they release the Cyan part as well with Update 1. The OS is not dependant on Cyan firmware. Cyan is all the drivers and stuff for the hardware part of your phone. Hope that sorts it out...
  • Glad I became part of the DP program. Exited to see what is to come on the WP platform!
  • I was denied service at a Nokia priority store because I was on 8.1 DP
  • Ok, my lumia 925 is on developer preview 8.1, it will get cyan update enventually without me doing anything? Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • Read the article.
  • No if you're going to complain about it. It is an experimental program. There is always a possibility of errors. I see way to much people just completely forget that.
  • Reset my phone to 8.0? Ain't nobody got time for dat!
  • I've been using the Preview for Developers program since 8.0 GDR3. I'll just enjoy the OS upgrades when I get them and I'll let the firmware come on it's own when it's ready. My phone is still working fine with 8.1 (12400) and Black. There isn't a need to fuss over Cyan. Just wait.
  • My 520 still has Amber but I have the Developer Preview. Can't wait for Update 1 to be released. Those live folders sound awesome.
  • Anxiously waiting for the update for my Lumia 820!!! :)
  • Can't wait for it
  • I am gonna wait for Microsoft to fix the bitlocker problem!
  • 928??
  • What about me.i too signed up for preview app but i never update to preview program. M hving black os version 8.0.10532.166 .should i also downgrade .help me
  • Hey Piyush...if you have not downloaded DP...which seems to be the case looking at your OS version...you don't have to worry about downgrading...you should get cyan update as and when it is available for your device
  • Still waiting lumia cyan
  • .MS not able to plan correctly....still many users not fond of cyan and didnt know about cyan and this MS ready for gdr1... Till now no fix update for pfd for getting cyan directly...hellwith MS making NOKIA brand downgraded
  • Whats dis.....Phones always in preview OS cant they wait still cyan roll out fully....
  • Good plan.....windows phones always in dp mode and care wont any problem with warranty when using dp....
  • Iam sticking with dp 8.1 wait for bit locker issue to be fixed by Ms.
  • After reading this article my phone seems faster
  • Am I right in assuming that seeing as tho the official version of 8.1 n Cyan are available for me that it wont really be a downgrade for me, the Nokia Software tool will just give me whatever the official release is available to me. For clarification I have DP8.1
  • I love PFD...please update PFD...
  • What i'd like to know is whether moving to Update 1 would potentially cause problems with the Camera quality? I rolled back to Windows Phone 8 and have upgraded successfully to Lumia Cyan on my Lumia 1520 and though I would love to take advantage of the early release of Update 1, I am a left wondering what it would mean for the new algorithms that Nokia (apparently) included with Lumia Cyan and if they'd remain intact with the move to Update 1. I believe most 1520 users would agree that moving from Windows Phone 8 to 8.1 DP caused a certain blow to the capture quality of images via the camera, especially in low-light conditions. I even did a comparison of some shots by capturing similar photos on Lumia Black (8.0) and DP (8.1) and both were different with the latter being lower in quality. I guess this would only be answered when Update 1 does roll out? Given that Lumia Cyan's already applied to the device, I would imagine that moving to Update 1 wouldn't cause any problems with the quality of photo capture. What do you think?
  • Camera processing algorithms are in the phone firmware (i.e Cyan) and not the OS... So the update shouldn't affect them.
  • Thanks... Figured that might be the case but wasn't sure. I'm still worried since Lumia Black on 8.1 DP seemed to have been affected in terms of its image processing algorithms?
  • My dad's 925 was updated to Lumia Cyan last week. Because he was on 8.1 DP, he did as you guys said and downgraded first. Now, even though the extras+info page says that he has Lumia Cyan, the features are nowhere to be seen! No Audio changes, no Device Hub changes and no brightness profile... Tried it many times with no luck
  • Tell him to update all the system apps
  • They are all updated... Apparently a few other users have the same problem. Please fix MS...
  • I have waited too long for the 8.1 update. Cortana is super cool..!! Question: any announcement on the Cyan update for Lumia 920?? I keep checking the phone updates and get the same "your phone is upto date" crap... I'll have to wait.. :/ Windows Phone Forever..!! 
  • You and me. And a couple others.
  • And me, and a lot others
  • I've got to wait... oh no.. we've got to wait.... i guess the lumia 920's glory days are gone.. :/ but i still love this chunk!!
  • You must be kinda stupid i presume..
  • Will rapid charge (stated in the article) work with older phones like the 920, or only with phones with the 800 core?
  • With Lumia icon and 930 , 1520 just :(
  • Great article really helpful
  • as the update 1 is near , someone plz make a thread and name it waiting list for dp8.1 update1 ... As there was a thread waiting list for dp8.1 before the dp8.1 came out,
  • +L525, hanging onto 8.1dp, and will wait for the cyan update...eventually.
  • Lets just hope that this update does sort out the BitLocker issue and free everything up. But I have to ask in the first place why are corperate accounts and buisnesses running on a preview, I understand that I.T staff will want to run tests but for developement only, in which case they should have devices set aside for testing. From a professional point of view really no operational devices should have a preview on and only official releases. Surely MS should be able to detect on an update if BitLocker is installed and then stop the update to Cyan running, that way the majority of people would not be effected. Having closely watched the forums in regards to Cyan updates it is very clear that a lot of users have very little technical ability or even the ability to read properly, no offense meant but when WPC article explains how to downgrade to get Cyan and the 8.1 offical release and then this is repeated by members in the forums, to see constant comments of "help I have 8.1 WDP what do I do" and "does this mean I have to downgrade" and "how do I downgarde", it is clear a lot of people should never had gone to 8.1 Dev. I think MS should have controlled this a bit better myself. However I appreciate that MS need to test and run as it is impossible to check for every issue or app that may cause an issue as was the case with BitLocker, but the bottom line is a person who is into development has a basic to good understaning and can get themselves out of the issue. What worries me here is that looking at the article and WPC thought you may have learnt a lesson by comments based on your members is that with the upcoming 8.1 update people are still informing people how to register to get the 8.1 Dev Preview to get an update. Surely it would be better to hold and allow those on the preview to run the update for a week or so and ensure that something else similar to the BitLocker problem does not rear its ugly head. If it does all we will see is countless comments again off people who dont know what to do even when a fix is avaialble but they dont undrstand how to fix it. A lot of people are slaggin off MS about the updates and the freeze on 8.1 dev preview but what are MS to do, they cannot check everything and rely on more experinced users to run previews with their own diversified settings and apps and then go from their in fixing bugs, if MS were to check every possible scenario then an update would never come about. My personal advice is to hold fire just for a few days, let the developers get the update and run it then check back here to see if there are any issues, after a week then yeah by all means go for the update or enroll on the dev. But if you decide to go feet first and you dont know how to search for the Nokia recovery tool, then download and install it, then you cant follow simple on screen instructions and plug yur phone in, nor know how to make a backup then you should not be jumping in head first. Simple really. Developers Preview ---- the clue is in the name. Sorry for a negative post but facts are facts and its wrong to see MS being slated by so many people, but the reality is the people who are doing the slatin are the ones that dont understand what a preview is and often cant get their heads around how to get out of a problem when it occurs. At this moment in time we should not be encouraging users to sign up to a dev that is not a ressponsible thing. I personally am looking foward to the update and what it brings, I just wish that WPC could have some closed forums for developers so that they can discuss issues without being bombarded with "what do I do now Spain has the Cyan update on the 1320 but I am in India and I have a 520 with Dev Preview, why cant I get it"? You know what I mean LOL.
  • Your comment is so long that the app can't handle it properly.
  • Sorry mate, it can be read via the web instead maybe a bit of a bug in the app. Mind you on a different note have you noticed how long the web version now takes to load since they changed it. I get errors telling me of a long running script? Still works though.
  • I like how fast Update 1 is coming, I hope they keep up the "feature flow" and there will always be the next update to look forward to when the last one is rolling out.
     
  • What I'm afraid of is updating my Lumia 930 ro GDR1 and then Microsoft having another issue when Nokia release their next firmware package, so I may give it a miss
    None of the main new features really convince me to update, but any small optimizations that aren't worth mentioning, such as a data connection toggle in the action centre (small example), may change my mind
  • Hy friends I m using Nokia Lumia 520 in dp version in india how to update cyan in dp..
  • Wait one week ;) just keep waiting
  • Great post! I appreciate all the info!
  • I was going to wait any way .... Thanks Daniel , majority of us have the situation number 2
  • If I go back from Lumia Cyan to WP8.1 DP update 1, will I lose Bluetooth 4.0 again? Then, I couldn't use my Nokia Treasure tag... :(
  • I want to know that also
  • I've just re-signed up to dev preview ready for update 1. Ruining Lumia 1520 CV UK 8.1 with cyan. I have Nokia care suite so will use that if there are issues after download of update 1. As a respected colleague of mine used to say... Bug free software is obsolete (lol)!!
  • Good one now you see (if you dont mind me saying) this person obviously understands and is prepared that there may be an unforseen problem and is prepared and knows what to do. If only a lot of other people could get there head around this and understand instead of whinging when something goes wrong.
  • Thanks for your kind words Steve. I've just made sure to read up on how to have a get out in case. It's a shame people don't take a view to hope for the best but plan for the worst, in life generally I mean. I always try and make fully informed decisions on things ( doesn't mean I'm boring though lol; people can be fun peppered with a little sensibility lol).
  • I wish a lot of people would take this approach matey, it would save a lot of time and frustration
  • I m waiting for update 1. It's coming on next... Week thanx.. Yahia_malkawi...... ;) :)
  • No problem ! ;)
  • i have tated the convinience of 8.1 no way im going back to 8.0, i will wait for the update and fixes
  • Tated?
  • hehehe sorry meant tasted bloody word-flow keyboard
  • They'll fix it and lift the stop so ill just wait instead of downgrading.
  • I update mine Lumia 520 to wp8.1 developer preview and can't seem to find the calendar app. It's missing. Any help please !
  • That sounds weird. I have a 520 and it didn't happen to me. Have you tried some basic procedures like a hard reboot?
  • just tried to reset hopefully that helps
  • Hit the check for updates button in the store ==> settings==> go down
  • ive tried that still don't have the app. and it seems not to be able to download the Xbox music app either
  • Hard reset :( the only way
  • BETA or not, "I DON'T CARE! I LOVE IT!" Hehehe! I'm a BETAMAN!
  • When I get it new update my 720 Lumia now 8.1DP LUMIA BLACK
  • I'm with Telstra in Australia anyway. God knows when those lazy pricks will update to Cyan anyway! Need to flash my next phone to unbranded before using it...
  • Hey I have Lumia 525 and I am on preview for developers program , so you said now preview users don't need to downgrade their OS so when am I going to get the cyan update - when it will officially come or Microsoft will say?
  • This week !!
  • Excellent job with this clarifying.
  • Thanks WPC for the informative guidance.
  • No friggin way. Once was enough.
  • I have a question please. I read someone's comment (on this site, I think), and he says D.P. 8.1's Cortana is different & BETTER than Cyan's. (more fluid/human responses & more verbal responses rather than displayed Bing results). Is this true?
  • Maybe I guess
  • http://thepockettech.com/lumia-830-train-heading-to-att/ Check this guys !!
  • What I'm still not sure about, what if Update 1 requires further firmware optimisation (what's next after cyan - d...) and we end up with bad battery life again. I have a 920 on 8.1 DP without cyan and need to charge my phone at least twice a day. Cyan is supposed to fix this - apparently. If I go update 1 - even after cyan - am I going back to a phone with bad battery life? I understand the risk of any DP program, but seriously not sure if its worth it with the bad battery life... Or am I worrying for no reason?
  • The battery issue should be already fixed from the latest released from PD which is official WP 8.1 update version. Just the Wi-Fi still on weak connection and the SCROLL BECOME TAPPING issue on Lumia 1520 from me.
  • I have a 1520 that did have DP. I downgraded then grabbed the Cyan + 8.1 and it was nearly flawless. I have had the release version of 8.1 and Cyan for nearly a week and I must say that my battery life has nearly doubled. I used to have about 75% after 1 day and I would plug it in at night but now I can go two days with about the same level. Right now after 2 days my battery level is at 77%. Cyan really helped.
  • Wow, that's impressive. May I know how about the Wi-Fi connection compare to 8.0? As my experience, 8.0 did a great Wi-Fi receiving.
  • My WiFi is only 6 feet away and I only use it for updates So I really can't comment on this, sorry. Also my phone is updating right now!!
  • Lets hope Update 1 doesn't knock this back down again...
  • Why would you want the developer preview of you already have cyan?
    Am I missing something?!
  • Thank you. Very good article.
  • This article is really helpful thank you so much
  • Thanks Daniel.....
  • OMG, can't wait to have the folders support, also looking forward to see MS fixes for PD cyan update.
  • I downgraded my 1520 yesterday and got the Lumia Cyan update. Only saved the pictures on my computer first. Updated, pictures back on the phone and reinstalled the apps.. Didn't really take that much time. Now happy with Cyan ;)
  • I highly recommend everyone to use developers preview as it isn't buggy like other platforms preview.....& only ur software warranty might be voided and dats nt a big deal as any one can downgrade their phone's os through Nokia software recovery tool if something happens.....
  • I am on Beta, not rolling back and waiting for the next Beta. I have a psychological reluctance to go back to 8 even for a few seconds.
  • I'm on the DP with 8.1, waiting for cyan. If I upgrade to GDR1 will that mean I have to wait for the firmware after Cyan before I get the added Nokia goodies or will Cyan work okay with GDR1? The article doesn't seem to cover this.
  • Yes exactly I've d same strange question on my mind ..but the articles says using GDR1 we can get Lumia cyan ..but if at all n installing it will make me lose GDR1??
  • Thats a lie! I had the DP since April. And in July I installed Cyan on my 925. I don't get the problem, I open my system info and there it is, white on black (actually cyan on black): Lumia Cyan! That's no problem at all. But i wonder, why everyone is so upset, but it works on my phone?!
  • So does this mean that if I do have developers preview installed and my phone finally gets the update, I will see that and wont have to revert back to 8.0 like a lot of issuers had to?
  • this article made me veryhappy, strangely
  • Iam gonna wait and stick to developer preview
  • hi,how come I only have 12397 as my latest,I try searching for update 8.10.124000.899, but it says phone it's upto date. plis help
  • That update was halted due to the Bitlocker bug. There are a few threads on this issue. Search and have a read....
  • They should make that mandatory before posting is allowed, if you ask me..
  • HTC 8xt getting update!! Yayyyyy
  • I cant wait any longer...love w dp
  • Don't buy anything from Samsung. My ATIV S(global version) still stuck in wp8.0 update 1. (8.0.10211.204).
  • When is going to release
  • Its start of a new week so we can expect it any time now...
  • Tell me Lumia black first. Gdr1 update relase date
  • my phones updating! :D
  • Just woke up, checked for updates and its updating also. Cool. Using WP 8.1 + Cyan + DP on a ATT 1520.
  • So I'm confused, I just downgraded to Cyan on my 925 from the DVP. Should I just installed DVP again?
  • What will happen if i have windows phone 8.1 update 1 and then lumia cyan is available for my L820 ..will i be able to install Lumia cyan??
  • Finally got 8.1 update on my 1520, great new features but what happened to the music+videos hub, it's downgraded :( they should pay attention to the music player
  • Hi
  • Ugh! I realise they can't please everyone, but moving your moving your music collection TWO swipes away from the Now Playing screen is really idiotic! So, every time you want to listen to something new you have to double swipe to even get to the list with choices of Artist, Album, etc.? It should be pinned there to the Now Playing screen, so I shouldn't have to swipe at all! They've gone and made something annoying really irritating!
  • Why don't Microsoft just give the update (Lumia cyan) over the Nokia recovery tool
    Will definitely be better than downgrading just to upgrade
  • On Lumia 930 I have installed this and found a major issue: when cell signal is very low: 1 bar and wifi also is low, opening facebook will make the phone go in airplane mode and restart. Think this is related to the setting in Cellular and sim to use cell data when wifi signal is low.