Windows 10 Mobile 10586.164 looks like a release candidate for 8.1 upgrades

A recent report in Venture Beat noted that official upgrades to Windows 10 Mobile from Windows Phone 8.1 would begin later in March.

Now, a tip from a user running Windows Phone 8.1 on a Lumia 520 and joining the Insider program to go to Windows 10 Mobile shared with a new prompt before the upgrade.

What seems different is the upgrade notification looks to be a more official one denoting the Windows 10 Mobile update without the Insider qualifications. The prompt reads:

Windows 10 is here! Get hundreds of improved features, new Office apps that work seamlessly across your Windows 10 devices, and more. For details about how the update will impact your experience, please read Significant download required.

Granted, it has been a long time since we updated a Windows Phone 8.1 OS to Windows 10 Mobile, so we'll leave room here for 'this is just old news'. However, that message does seem like the one a Windows Phone 8.1 user would get who is not on the Insider program.

Windows 10 Mobile build 10586.122 did seem very stable on our numerous test devices and the new changelog for build .164 reveals even more refinements and fixes. The timing of the release and Venture Beat's report seem to align properly as well making this .164 release one of the final ones for the Windows 10 Mobile rollout.

Also, since this update is going to all non-carrier phones that shipped with Windows 10 Mobile e.g. Lumia 550, 650, 950, 950 XL, Coship Moly X1, and Nuans NEO, and others it does appear rather final.

Microsoft mentioned at the end of February that certain older 8.1 phones would also get new firmware where it was needed to fix any compatibility problems with Windows 10 Mobile. Otherwise, the Windows 10 Mobile is only a software release.

We'll have to wait and see what Microsoft plans to do by the end of the month. There is also the carrier factor, which will likely play a role in delaying updates for branded devices as well.

What do you think – Is Windows 10 Mobile build .164 finally ready for prime time?

Thanks, @siddharthabera9, for the screenshots

Daniel Rubino

Daniel Rubino is the Editor-in-chief of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft since 2007 when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, laptops, next-gen computing, and for some reason, watches. Before all this tech stuff, he worked on a Ph.D. in linguistics, watched people sleep (for medical purposes!), and ran the projectors at movie theaters because it was fun.

  • Great
  • Is this for the 950xl too?
  • My last is 14267.1004
  • Got it on my L950, it's for all phones on the 10586 branch of updates that are running Windows 10 Mobile in one way or another Sent from Microsoft Band
  • Hey Dan..i just bought Microsoft band it worth using or shall I go for band 2..???
  • Yes Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • Thanks...faat release, slow, production, nothing happens here...maybe I will need a hard reset again...
  • I'm not going back to 8.1.. I think that's unnecessary.... I'm going to just do a hard reset, opt for NO backup, and then do the new update.. That's gotta be like starting fresh. Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • I just read that I order to get this update I have to roll back...otherwise you stick with, is that correct?
  • No. That is not correct. To get this build you must go into the insider app, and enroll into the slow ring. Then check for update.
    Once the update is installed you can go back to fast ring. Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • If you are on 14267, or whatever, then yes you would need to roll back to factory software because you are at Redstone and already ahead of the threshold release. You can't go backwards +640/Win10
  • Oh.. Well, that makes sense.
  • Thanks a lot...and rollback from phone? In a 950? Cannot find how to do that anyway
  • You would need to use windows device recovery tool (WDRT) that should put you back to 10586 check the software version on server before going through with it to make sure. Should have 10586 or something similar on server. +640/Win10
  • Warning though... It's not really fun to rollback like that... It will be very time consuming to get your phone back to how you want it. Especially on poor WiFi. Good luck whatever you do. +640/Win10
  • Thanks a lot
  • It is correct, cause you are on higher version then this release, you are on redstone and this build is for older win10 version.
  • This is a Threshold build. If you are on the Fast ring and have already received a Redstone build then yes, you will have to rollback first. You'll never get an update to an older build than the one you're on. If you're not already running a Redstone build, either because you never were or because you have rolled back, you need to join the Slow or Release Preview ring to get this build for now.
  • I think the 14- series build is on track to receive the Redstone update. So yes if you want to install this new update you'll meed to roll back - as far as I've read at least. Posted from Windows Central App
    Lumia 830/Win10Mobile
  • Shouldn't you update first and then do the reset? That way, you clear up all the garbage the update process might have left behind
  • If you were on the fast ring before with the Redstone build, you will not be able to get this unless you go back to the production branch using wdrt
  • As Hermione would say, Articulus Reado!
  • Lol...I did....but I wasn't aware of rollback thing...thanks
  • You know what ❕❕HUGE❕❕ feature I would like to see come in a future update???? This would be huge, and very useful (especially on larger screens)
    Are you ready? Here it goes---
    Minimizing apps. Yep! Just like on desktop. Minimizing, size adjustable, and repositionable.. Yes. The idea has always been there. I've always wanted to have a little floating calculator that I could lay over Edge, OneNote, or any other app, or screen.. Then, I thought why not give developers the capability to add this functionality, or why not just make it part of the OS, like 10 does with apps on desktop.. This could prove to be really useful for multitasking.....
    Now, before you silly fellers dislike this OPTION I'd like to remind you that everything would still be the same. If you don't have the need, or simply would not ever want to use this functionality, then you wouldn't be forced to. Just go on business as usual (always have to explain that, so I figured I'd go ahead and throw it in.... Anyways⛽ Cool idea!
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  • I think you should copy the second part of your comment as your signature.. So that you don't have to type it over and over again :p
  • Lol.. That's a good one.. Right!. Geeeeeeeezzzz. Lol
  • I really support this rodneyej. This is really useful when using the phone in Continuum mode. This would be another step in having a similar experience as one gets while using a desktop / laptop.
  • At a minimum, we need to be able to open 2 apps at a time.....LG, and Samsumg phones do this with certain apps on Android already....... This feature should be added immediately, especially in Continuum mode
  • Immediately. Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • Exactly. Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • I would expect that the first order of business would be to get Continuum to work like tablet mode on PC. After that, they should look to get Continuum to work just like a regular PC does with Store apps. If it's no extra trouble then they could implement floating windows on the phone but I see very little use for it, so very little time should be allocated to it.
  • I think that sounds like a really cool feature for the surface phone. My 2 cents
  • What's so beautiful about Arlington Texas? I lived there for a year. Just another chunk of urban sprawl. And worst of all it butt bumps up against Grand Prairie, the ugliest city in Texas.
  • Get lost 950XL. This is for us
  • Yes , If you are not on 14XXX i.e. RedStone branch and Windows Hello work pretty much fast on this build
  • Still too buggy IMO
  • Legit question: are you going from 8.1 to 10 or just doing update after update after update? Because the upgrade experience from 8.1 to 10M has been worked on a lot in the last few builds. I still recommend hard resets if you have been doing these upgrades consistently for a better experience.
  • I've reset my phone all the way back to 8.1 last week. I think that might be where I'm running into a bug. 5 System apps won't update. They had no problem previously.
  • I'll try the reset when I get home.... Still think a factory wipe after instating the latest version of 10 should do the same thing.. Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • @Dan For me , It's not as buggy as he is saying. But it doesn't feel like as smooth as 8.1 ( Let's forget the 'Resuming' and 'Loading' issues ) ... W10M is feature complete and I don't feel like we are catching up with other OS. But it definitely needs more smoothness. It is smooth, But not smooth enough. Some glitches are still present like the absence of 'Dark' tint when we are exiting an app to app list. But I'm pretty sure that once the OS is out for everyone MS will squash the remaining bugs as they did with the PC versions.. Now all we need is some cumulative updates.
    Update: This build is far more better than I expected when I read the changelog ... Performance is improvement is really noticeable ...
    But small UI glitches are still there.. I'm pretty sure we will get an OS faster than 8/8.1 soon .. May be in few weeks..
  • This one is blazing fast on my Lumia 830 and no issues thus far. Makes me want to roll back from Redstone ok my 950xl.
  • Well.. I can confirm that on my test device as well (L625) .. Seems like this build brought some serious performance improvement to the OS.. Impressed... Now some UI glitches left.. As I said above.. With a couple of Cumulative updates W10M will surpass the WP8 smoothness..
  • What's the update size?
  • Sorry, I forgot to look at the size :-/
  • K'
  • Update: It is in fact blazing fast... This build is REALLY awesome.. Even on 512 MB devices it's crazy fast.. I highly recommend it and I can't wait to see few more similar cumulative updates..
  • Can confirm. Updated my test device (512 version of 635) and I'm very impressed Posted from WC 920, 1520, 920, 635, 640 950XL
  • I did exactly that today. RS1 was draining my battery on my XL. I would def recommend it. Last build i ran was pre-.107 just using Windows Hello now seems rapid fast compared to .29 or .0.
  • I really wish somebody did Windows Hello demo with the latest builds so that we can see how faster it is. The demos we have on Youtube are from the release date of 950/XL.
  • I think this problems come from firmware. After a firmware update this glitches shouldn't be their anymore.
  • This message has been there since at least .107, and that is the last update I went from 8.1 to windows 10. Old news relating to the article and the message, however that update was still less than perfect from an 8.1 update, and required me to hard reset. This was just after resetting to 8.1 so it was a clean phone. I shuddered to think about those with sd cards and multiple apps and data on their phone trying to take the jump from 8.1 to .107. Granted .122 is the best I have felt, but I can't comment on an 8.1 upgrade experience. However, today I am going to reset anyway, because I can't get .164 installed from .122 so maybe I'll update again on how the improved upgrades experience went... .122 was a big update.
  • You've seen this message before??? Naw. Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • True, just go hunting around twitter looking for old tweets from people upgrading in previous builds, even look around this comment section... they have screenshots of the message from months ago. I'm not alone. Having done an 8.1 reset multiple times for many different builds, only a few builds ago (somewhere around the .100's) this message began showing up for windows 8.1 users upgrading.
  • Hummmmm. Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • Lol just take it with some faith from the student on break who has nothing better to do than follow Microsoft and go to work every now and then +640/Win10
  • @rodneyj...this message was there 3 days ago when I updated my 8.1 640 to W10M build 107 and again when updated to 122.
  • Damn! I'm late. Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • Yes, same here. It's been this way for at least the last three updates. Nothing new, false alarm! :)
  • I saw it ages ago too. Thought it was a bit odd it was being mentioned now.
  • Rolling back every time is exhausting. I'll only do it when the final, public release is out.
    Anyway, this build look really like IT :D. The last one was quite stable and good too, but as faras I used this new build, this is even better. I mean, it's running flawless on a 535. One of the lowest end windows phones :D Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10, on HP 250 G1 notebook
  • "Exhausting""
    The phone does all the work.. You act like you're going to the gym.. These kids nowadays.. SMDH☺ Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • I know they recommend this, but in my experience it almost always makes no difference.
  • Yeah I think many people have given up on the idea of hard resetting after trying it out only to find the build still buggy for the past few months.
  • I'll try that... Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • What are the bugs? Posted from Rebel Base, Hoth.
  • 5 system apps aren't updating, No text tones, my 830 was installing my apps back all day and the store crashed a lot. (could have happened pre store update) Problems with notifications in mail. If I don't have it set to pop up a toast notification it won't make a sound at all. Just naming the big ones. Just reset it today, maybe it'll get better.
  • The first one I noticed was no apps☺☺☺☺ Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • Curious... What bugs are you experiencing in the current builds? Because it's pretty stable on my L640. Sent from Windows Central for Windows 10 Mobile
  • Yeah bwacuse win 10 mobile was made for 640.... Serioualy. Everybody has issues . Older phones the most. But 640 has none.... Posted from your moms place
  • Works great on the my 950, 930 and 920. Make sure you hard reset. I was against hard resets but since i did that around 6 builds ago (if not more) experience has been great. Having updated without hard reset felt food but had some crazy glitches ...all those glitches were gone when I hard reset both thr 930 and 920
  • Fun fact. The hard reset ****** it up even more. Its faster now yeah, but apps aint working anymore, the windows camera is broken, edge has wired search bar glitches, mobile data has HUGE outrageous issues best described as " connected , disconnected, conected, disconnected , con...disconnected ( and so on ) " ******* me off in whatsapp, facebook, edge , and pretty much everything. Been there before so its actually one of the new two builds .
    Then gmt+1 auto time IS THE SAME AS GMT+0 ! I swear I came too late to work again because ******* windows 10 is so broken is showing me british ******* time ! Like wtf Microsoft!? How is that been overseen !
    List goes on. To apps not starting leaving me with an empty start screen, to apps crashing and random camera start ups. Yeah.. Really really annoying. Posted from your moms place
  • That's not normal for w10m you know... Posted from Windows Central for XL
  • Sadly I know :( Posted from your moms place
  • Use recovery tool;).
  • To do what ? Posted from your moms place
  • To restore your device to ita original state and then upgrade, as opposed to just hard resetting the device ...could be a good option if you havent tried that.
  • Hm. Wait which windows 8.1 do it get with the recovercy tool right now ? Is it the new one the lumia 640 hot with the new settings menu layout ? Posted from your moms place
  • You get the original one that came with your device when you bought it and from there it updates to the most recent OS might update to a more recent 8.1 before updating to 10, but i forgot. Eitherway, this process should make your phone run windows 10 like it should
  • Neat. Will do it for sure when i am back home^^ thanks
  • I'm sure you meant "fun exception" Posted from WC 920, 1520, 920, 635, 640 950XL
  • Love how this gets downvoted only because I try to tell ppl what's wrong with my win10mobile and expecting solutions or other ppl with the same issues Posted from your moms place
  • @betram Yea some people just like to down vote anything that doesnt appeal to them but who cares it's just a down vote, it doesn't mean anything. Try restoring your device through Windows Recovery (as mentioned above) incase you havent tried that.
  • @bertram That's quite odd. Which device you using? It went smoothly on all three devices without a hiccup (just the known glitches).
  • Lumia 1520 white
  • Thats odd, 1520 should work really well with 10, try the Windows Recovery tool. Once restored to its original state, just install Windows Insider and immediatly update to 10, then let the apps reinstall. Dont open whatsapp until youre on 10 in order to have your conversations restored.
  • Are you able to record in stereo with your 930? I still get mono only sound on videos. (transfer video to PC and check details tab in file properties to see if it is stereo). Thx.
  • For this you will have to wait for firmware... I get like 10% of the sound i should, because of my "broken" mic 
  • Havent checked that actually, I barely take videos. Will check it out when Im next to my PC and let you know.
  • Not true, 640 definitely has its fair share of issues especially with the upgrade.
  • Like what? Sent from Windows Central for Windows 10 Mobile
  • I always shudder to read what other people are going through. I guess I have been extremely lucky for all the builds I installed on my 640 have worked almost flawlessly. Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • Did you ever do a hard reset? +640/Win10
  • And yes imagine a normal consumer with no knowledge of this community, blindly updating their phone or buying a new one, only to find it ruined...and no idea how to fix it.
  • Still cant access the People app and still wont update Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • I can
  • We need polished take time but provide a polished OS like 8.1....No hurry
  • ^this Posted via Samsung Galaxy S6 but still love for Windows.
  • And how many errors or failing have you had on camera or videos or OS down to quick charge with the S6
  • It said that in the 122 build as well, I commented on it in the what's new article you done on it
  • Progress is progress...
  • Lol
  • Well... i is true, news is better than no news and going forward is better than backwards :D
  • Seems faster :D
  • Well, we haven't used .164 for a long time to tell, but .122 seemed pretty stable. Full of bugs though. One drives me nuts and that is changing songs through the system toggles.
  • I saw these messages when I reflashed my 830 and went back to 10. Also on my mom's 640 when I upgraded it a few months ago. It's nothing really new. BUT this cumulative updated was released to non-Insiders as well, so this might be the actual signal this time.
  • Unicorn
  • Why not?))) It was be cool)))
  • Sounds good. Though I wish they will push more bugfix update just to make it more polish if possible. I have yet to get this update but based on the changelog, it seems the All Apps bug and Media Toast text animation glitch bug hasn't been fixed still, the two most talked and obvious bug that for some reason hasn't been fixed since forever.
  • Yeah, never understood why they'd never fix the most obvious bugs they have and it's freaking annoying tbh. Edit: all in all, half baked OS.
  • Ask @JenMsft on Twitter about the All apps bug (If you mean the overlay disappearing when you back out of an app) as Gabe mentioned the Shell team are aware of it and that the engineer I mentioned as looking at the issue. His tweet made it seem more complicated that most would think Sent from Microsoft Band
  • That's comforting to know at least. Do you have the tweet? I missed that one. ​Thanks for the helpful reply btw. :)
  • OS itself is pretty much stable, but apps are buggy especially Store. I still find WP 8.0 the most stable one ever made.
  • That's been the story since W8 and W10 now. I get the sense that the dev guys from PC side now making UWP apps for W10/W10M seem to be of lower caliber than the ones from WP8.x days.
  • This is too funny because people have been saying that wp8 apps were made by interns. Judging by how barebones they were, I fully agree.
  • Look, discontent among diehard WP fans including me here have never been higher. W10M has been buggy for over 7 freaking months and counting. It was never like this in WP8.x days.
  • To be fair.. Windows in general is going through some of the most drastic changes since windows 3.1 same goes for phone, iPhone doesn't see this many bugs because it has a solid foundation to work on is building that foundation anew. Takes time. +640/Win10
  • Their problem is they keep screwing up this "new foundation" and have to keep redoing it every couple of years... WP 7->8 was a "complete redo", now 8->10 is another complete redo. 
  • Plus you have to have some respect for the fact they aren't only updating one phone (apple)... But instead keeping sorry for all capable devices
  • * support +640/Win10
  • Nothing here on my 1520. Which is still broken as hell... Freaggin win10m Posted from your moms place
  • try slow ring ... 122 and 164 on mine  
  • I'm with you about my 1520 being buggy as **** anymore. Battery is now crap, Cortona doesn't get half what I tell her correct, Edge needs to be renamed Garbage, try to jump into a message from a pop up notification freezes up. Man I'm at a loss.
  • Omg thanks you ! That ******* glictch or bug or whatever when jumping from notification to the messages. .. I need to close the apps because the apps can't connect to internet ! Posted from your moms place
  • Your device probably needs a firmware update :)
  • Yeah I thought ao as well. But how do I get one ? Microsoft isn't big on releasing phone specific updates. Witch is bullcrap Posted from your moms place
  • Yeah, you gotta switch to slow ring.. Via WC For WM10 ☣
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  • Rodneyej....hey if your having success with your 1520 and these updates please tell me your update process. (not being a smart a$$). Please let me know your full update process maybe I'm missing a step that might make things better
  • Bad Randy 217   Do you have a 1520.3?
  • How do we find out which model of 1520 we have?
  • Yesh idk. Is it actually relevant?
  • Hard reset? +640/Win10
  • My 1520.2 working flawlessly on 122 and updated to 164 with no issues so far.. Just some apps/system stuff like gesture won't update in store otherwise is great!
  • My 1520.3 has run very well for all of the recent updates. Smoother still with .164.
  • I still can't believe the message app doesn't recognise (British English) groups. This is basic functionality. Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • و الله شكلكوا هتودونا في داهية
  • دوركا دوركا محمد جهاد دوركا دوركا
  • Interesting, the link opens a Czech (or Polish, bare me) page on my Lumia 920 with German locale... Hmmm
  • Haha if obvious UI bugs like the stuttering Music-Display on the Volume-Overlay (when pressing the next button) is still not fixed (just installed, can confirm the bug is still present) MS will once again be laughed at, and rightfully so. This single bug alone makes WM10 feel like some amateur OSS project IMHO. Also, WTH is going on with the store app, it constantly crashes randomly while using (reminds me of the vanilla WP7 store app which also crashed all the time!). I mean come on, even the part where they make money doesn't work on this alpha build-quality OS!
  • Yeah that glitch is quite annoying, and I also add the fact that the start screen still has an empty gray square as thumbnail from the multitask windows instead of the Windows logo
  • Well I think the missing icon is a minor bug which is easy to fix but not too critical. But come on, why is the music experience on 10 even worse than on 8.1 (apart from flac support, which was long overdue). Why is the song UI flickering, come on. But the even bigger problem for me is that (because of?) this flickering, every music action is so delayed. Starting a song in groove takes 2 seconds before I hear anything. Klicking the next button takes 2 seconds of flickering action before the next song begins playing. On 8.1 all this happened instantly. And I'm talking about locally stored mp3s here. And this isn't some functionality noone uses, everyone I know uses their smartphone to listen to music, EVERYONE. The only possible customer reaction to this fiasco: DoubleJuTeEff MS?!?!
  • So why you need to be member of the Insider to get the notification in w8.1 device?!!
  • I just sit on the corner, and wait new facebook mesenger app.
  • Yeah, that one is one of my mayor "Want it now" apps right now.
  • There have been way too many "this build looks good, may be a RC!" false hope only to be disappointed with new discovered bugs and poor battery life in subsequent days. I'm a huge MS fan but I'm not going to hold my breath here.  
  • Build 10.166 was the best yet. And 10 256. The others where bullshit Posted from your moms place
  • I have it on a Nokia Lumia 1520. I hard reset the device on .122 and restored from backup which actually solved some problems. After that there were no general bugs that affected usage.
    I haven't had any additional problems since the update to .164 but it is too early to tell.
  • Just release it and all of the apps will be update for W10, (WhatsApp, Facebook., Twitter...) Posted on Lumia 930 with
    Windows 10 Mobile
  • I updated from WP8.1 to W10M release ring .107, and I got this message too on my 930. Later, I updated to .122, and today to .164. Pretty stable on the 930. I am just unhappy because my Office Remote app stopped working :(
  • Daniel, I agree that this might be the release candidate. I just installed it on my old L925 and see performance seems to have increased. I used to see lag on the MS Apps while scrolling (Sports, News, etc). I don't see the scroll lag now even with many apps in the background. Hopefully battery the battery is also improved, too soon to tell.    
  • I have a weird bug on my Lumina 925 where playing a video in portrait causes the scrolling to go crazy and then it locks itself Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
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  • Happens to me too.
  • Happened for me once..
  • Changing privacy messaging settings still cause crash. Still present tons of inconsistencies in both dark and especially light themes. Good to see applications installation process improvements.
  • This is old news as Daniel indicated. MSFT has been refining the upgrade process for a while now. I got this on 3/1/2016 Sent from somewhere in the world :)
  • Please repair the people hub. Square pictures, me tile, group tiles with messages on it. Double tap for waking up. A few examples for transition from WP8.1 to WM10.
  • Double tap to wake up is still present in older phones updated to W10M ... But not yet available for devices came with W10M preinstalled
  • It's a solid update. Bring it on, I want the official update for my Lumia 640 so I can put it on the Fast Ring. The Windows Central Universal Application for Windows 10 Mobile on a Nokia Lumia 830
  • Hehe... Looks what I receive in my Lumia 830! .164 downloading right now!!! Daniel Galbinisteanu
  • + insider release preview configuration update Daniel Galbinisteanu
  • How ******* hard is it to fix the flickering text when changing songs from the little drop down menu? Seriously. 3 months and counting.  If you go into feedback for Groove, every other piece of feedback mentions this with a total of 7,009 upvotes. Thats just from the first 5 mentions.   It's not a huge deal, but it is something that effects everyone that listens to music while they are using other apps or there phone has locked. If they can't fix flickering text after 3 months, this OS is NEVER going to be anywhere near as good as 8.1 It's so frustrating.
  • Ive that flickering as well. Its annoying... Posted from your moms place
  • I wonder if it is because they "mistakenly" fired all the good Windows 8.1 developers and the current new team is just struggling.
  • Was just reading through comments as u do .... some one write about doing hard reset and it going to British time??? Ermine did u set it to ur fookin country after installing you fookin pleb
  • Doesn't matter where I am dude. Doesn't matter if I set country to usa. If I choose my time zone to gmt+1 it has to work. Also for me everything is british time. And yes my phone is set to germany. Posted from your moms place
  • I can't wait until the Band 2 works with Windows 10 mobile many bugs yet.
  • Take note this is what happens when you let nooby nob jocks be tester delaay after delay and pi$$ n moan franchise
  • Working fine on my 930 since .122
  • Really? But notifications for wireless is still missing... Among others
  • Can't Polish a **** .
  • What about the Polish? I hear they are perfectly normal people capable of any human ability. +640/Win10
  • First of all. Stop patronizing him . 2nd of all its known that windows 10 mobile is in a horrible to broken beta state for a bunch of users. Him being angry and wanting polish is reasonable at this point Posted from your moms place
  • If you don't like the insider program then get out... Because windows 10 mobile is preview software if you didn't get the memo... from the windows insider app "your are installing pre release software which could permanently disable your phone blah blah...". If this is a 950 with issues...I would remind them that earlier versions of android and iOS were not as polished as they are now . +640/Win10
  • Also I would say polish are that smart >.> lol the government is wasty as heck
  • That's great
  • Perfect on 830
  • Tbh I ain't had issues on 930 gb cv got the past few builds seems fine n dandy here scrolls nice and smooth compared to Samsung galaxy s6 . Only issue I have with it is the simple card error cozy me some ain't in so it's my fault lol I dunno why so many have bugs perhaps stop using it for ya w@nk mag alternative
  • My people app is missing pictures on tile
  • You are lucky.. I just don't like people app live tile and there is no option to stop it
  • LOL I had to resize it to small so I don't have to see the faces of political wingnut idiots I have on my FB. Ideally, I'd love to see People apps honoring FB's ignore list.
  • @TK2011, well you can filter your contacts by account or uninstall and install facebook then select no when prompted if you want facebook contacts to your phone.
  • Most of my contacts doesn't have an image and the live tile looks ugly and it kills the awesome look of my start screen.. As far as I know there isn't any option to avoid showing blank images in Live tile..
  • I stated curating pictures of all my contacts for that reason... Looks nice if there is something there +640/Win10
  • I have about 1000 contacts in my phone... I don't think that's practical
  • I do too, but I have my contact list filtered as they are seperated into different accounts, skype and facebook contacts turned off. Just my ocd in compartmentalising different aspects of my life lol.
  • I would rather wait for it to be fixed in redstone update.. Till then people app tile will be set to small
  • Fair enough :)
  • Great news for windows phone users
  • I am not going to download it until they fix the battery drain issues :/
    C'mon battery is the most needed feature.!
  • Battery is better than it was in 8.1 for me ... You may need to check your battery.. Must be a hardware thing
  • If you haven't done hard reset after upgrading WP8.1 to W10 then absolutely do it. It fixed battery drain for me (Lumia 820).
  • Yea... I have to agree that doing a reset ...totally changed my 920's battery life for the better... ​920&640
  • I got that notification when I upgraded two builds ago I think to .107
  • Nah ya didn't you was dreaming
  • Get out of my dreams!
  • Let see...
  • Maybe it's stable, but it's beta and lack features. 
  • Finally. The proverbial light at the end of the tunnel can be seen.
  • Man I am sorry I didn't get a Lumia icon or HTC one m8 windows phone my Samsung ativ se is just stuck with 8.1 and it looks like there is no W10 future for Samsung phones... Sad I love my Samsung Ativ se may it snapdragon 800 rest in peace...
  • Let's blame Samsung for that ..
  • I have to say wow. This update is a huge performance boost to my 920. The last update had my phone so laggy I just wanted to toss it.
  • Agreed... This update is sooo fast.. Just wow
  • My Lumia 535 seems much more faster after the update.
  • Yup
  • As ready as it could ever be considering Microsoft's love for unpolished, buggy software nowadays, should be strictly optional in my opinion
  • Is it necessary to rollback to wp8.1 from build .164 to get official w10m, pls somebody tell me
  • No need to roll back.
  • From R u sure friend? If yes then wats d procedure to get official w10m from build .164 ,pls tell me if u know.
  • W10M is only the software update. Insiders will the update first. So u no need to roll back to 8.1 to get official update.. If any firmware is available for ur device it will be downloaded by windows insider app.
  • Windows 10 still doesn't feels like genuine OS. In some parts its look ugly too. krcndn
  • Yes but Windows 10 never finished , having said that, it means Windows 10 will keep updating and will eventaully get to be loved by everyone oneday!
  • Win 10 mobile is just pathetic. When every other platform is working on augmented attributes, windows/ms is struggling to even provide basic things. Sad but true.
  • No news about red stone? ត្រោយលី lumia950xl
  • I have seen this before in .107 build itself.
  • I had the "Windwos 10 is here..." message already in the last build :x 
  • Oh
  • Now can't wait till 30th march.. ☺
  • Had anyone tested this on the Lumia icon, 929?
  • I'm running it now on my icon. I've been on Windows 10 since .107. I'm very pleased for the most part with everything. If you're ok with potentially resetting your phone I'd recommend it.
  • What about battery life. I had win 10 but the battery drained way too fast.
  • I've typically been able to last the whole day or most of the day with one charge. I'd say it's not quite as good as I remember on 8.1, but I may be using the phone more as well.
  • Maybe about 25-30% less than 8.1 did on my ICON... If I dont change it on the way home from work (5pm) by 7-8 pm my 10% battery notification would be going off. On 8.1 I would of been able to get 1/2 way through day 2 as long as I didn't do any heavy stuff on the phone (videos, games, etc)
  • Micro soft should focus on bringing brightness option to% level instead of having low, medium, high. Automatic option.
    Who support my option??
  • Actually, i have that option in my950 and i see no use for it;).
  • Still no sound on my videos. I regret my purchase (930). Goodbye MS . I'll buy elsewhere, you'll never take my money.
  • If you buy android....they probably got some of your money, you go apple, they'll get your money somehow...probably office. Sooo bye. +640/Win10
  • Hardware (well-known) issue. Rollback to 8.1 and bring it to Device Care Point.
  • Just downloaded on a Lumia 735 seems pretty good, it's a bit slower opening apps than 8.1 was on it. Really, pretty good overall.
    Hey, Verizon KMA!
  • Don't forget hard resetting after the first 8.1 -> 10 switch. It fixes battery drain and most of the slowness.
  • Only thing I noticed when I go to leave a comment on pocketnow through the app it kicks me to home screen. Any suggestions on how to fix? Already uninstalled and reinstalled to no avail. Actually the 735 seems a lot faster. Nice job guys, happy camper here.
  • Early this week I rolled back to 8.1 using Windows Device Recovery Tool. Then I checked for system updates but I got several errors, most of them saying server error. After sometime that was back to normal and a update popped up. This update was Windows 10 Mobile 10586.107 and the Windows Insider App wasn't installed. I thought that was Windows 10 official, but at the same time that was strange, because:
    1- As I used the Recovery Tool it installed Windows 8.1.
    2- When I updated I didn't received a firmware update.
    3- The production build at the time was 10586.122 instead of 10586.107 which was installed.
  • Happened to me too......I was on .164, had to rollback due to some issue. The next time I tried to update my phone via insider got .107. Again checked for the update and got .164.
  • I have Lumia 640 dual sim so which time i"ll get a official update of windows 10 on my devices
  • Yes you be one of the first to get it. I think this build has been good on my 640
  • Yes
  • Yes it is ready Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10 mobile
  • This build seems really good so far on my 950xl
  • Lumia 1320. so far experienced one occasion of freezing of screen. While accessing settings page. For the past 3-4 versions of the build , freezing is the issue faced on a regular basis. Also If the camera is open or in the background , the glance screen is inverted .
    In the previous version when a call was received in skype the screen turned to full of coloured dots with no way to exit or change to another application or screen. Though the call did not disconnect . After the call was over the screen reverted to the original . This is rectified or not is yet to be seen
    Battery draining too fast. Heating up of the phone at around the camera lens area.
  • Yes bro i am facing the same problem on my nokia 1320
  • Can't wait to see what all the delay was about...
  • By jus logging out from insider program can we get w10m official update. Pls tell me somebody
  • Yes if you role back.
  • If you are on build, no need to roll back to 8.1 and u can log out from the insider program as well as when windows 10 mobile is ready for release u'll get the update and you are good to go..
  • I hope the Lumia 1520 gets the update!
  • Have been getting this message since long. What's so special about it then ?
  • Just done updating lumia532 . So far the battery is very good.
  • so far all great like last build, havent tested skype yet but will know if its working by end of day.  The last few builds on my 930 were great mostly so hoping it stayes the same.
  • Just Got the update for Lumia 550 (non- insider)
  • Yup. Got the same thing when I did the upgrade on the 7th.
  • Lumia 635 on Rogers.
    Windows 10 Tech Preview works flawlessly.
  • MS Hasn't fixed a simple but critical issue in the hotspot functionality mentioned here... We've been waiting for build after build... but no fix till date. Gabe too is aware of this issue. But his guys are never interested in fixing it. So yes.. this is a release candidate.... May be many loyal windows users will soon plan for a switch to other OS if MS continues this approach.
  • 2016-03-08 22:00EET Lumia 950XL Finland, No Insider... Got the .164 finally and here are the "skindeep" analyses... Have to admit, somehow seems faster, performance wise.. Edge seems to have more kick.. Edge's "Pin to startPage" still does not create screenShot of the site at hand like WP8.1. Have not tried VPN L2TP client yet, but hopes are slim..
  • L2tp has been working since 10572 or so.
  • WWWWHAT!? What is "10572"? Version for W10M is now 1511 and 1586.164.. I have Synology NAS with L2TP VPN server and all other devices (android, apple, PC with RegHack) works with this... .122 build in W10M did not work. This is notorius fact that VPN client in mobile are still quite "sh***". IKEv2 is not the answer and L2TP client should work with commercial products. OpenVPN is just a feaver dream for W10M...
  • Seems a pretty solid build to me.
  • Internet sharing in Lumia 720 stops as soon as the screen gets locked, even in the 586.164 update.
  • Hey is the new build on it worth updating??
  • I am using 10586.164 on my lumia 720,so far it is running much like 8.1 except few times photos app crashes..
  • I am using 10586.164 on my lumia 720,so far it is running much like 8.1 except few times photos app crashes..
  • Its definitely better. I will give 7/10 to the 164 build. The period build was like 5.5/10.
  • As I said, internet sharing stops after screen gets locked. Otherwise, is really fast on Lumia 720. Just make sure to live your apps to inbuilt memory for the time being for fast response.
  • Well, successfully updated last night. So far so good. The builds are becoming ALOT smoother on my LUMIA 735. There's still the annoying lockscreen delay. But the "loading" and "resuming" screens, are almost gone on most apps. Just here and there on really heavy apps (like Spotify etc).   Battery life improved since last build. But whoever owns a L730/735 knows that it isn't even comparable the amazing battery life I was getting before on WP 8.1. (2 days moderate to hard use)   Now I would say 1.5 days moderate use.
  • Mega lol
  • It would be nice to be ready. it's about time! Although the previous 122 build has issues as reported by many users....
  • When is windows 10 original mobile update coming????
  • Woke up tonight with a notification about the update. Just went on .122 two days ago. Working bad ass! Lumia 640xl. They fixed a lot of stuff speed wise! :) very impressed finally. Although .122 was fine .164 is beast!
  • Have any idea about Windows 10 mobile update coming date? Tomorrow? Day after tomorrow? Next week??.....
  • network mode to force "3G only" required..
  • Pretty much off topic-I've Windows Phone 8S by HTC running build 8.10.14219.341. I've signed up for Windows Insider and also signed in to The inside app. Currently it's Fast Ring. Now when I check for updates, there's only a single update of 1MB that happens to be for those 8.1 phones which periodically reboot automatically. My phone doesn't have this issue. So why am I getting this update when it just doesn't installs in my phone?
  • Have any idea about Windows 10 mobile update coming date? Tomorrow? Day after tomorrow? Next week??..
  • What about lumia 550 Sent from Lumia 550, HTC Desire 816 or Dell Inspiron 5122
  • Nvm I got it after hitting the check for updates button Sent from Lumia 550, HTC Desire 816 or Dell Inspiron 5122
  • Anyone got this build running on a Lumia 520
  • Do anybody else experience slow letter switch on people app? When I press onto letter to switch between first letters the transition animation is pretty slow.
  • I do have flickering screen when changing songs on Groove .. Hey! Can anyone of you reply to a text msg or mail as it arrive on the notifications.. As I can't do it since ever I've been on newer builds Posted from Lumia 730 running Windows 10
  • Flickering has been taken care of in latest redstone build for the new phones. Replying to mail from notifications is not available, while replying to msgs and fb posts works fine.
  • I can't wait for the official release for my L930 :) Only then i will roll back to 8.1 and have a clean install of w10m. I don't have the time to do this too often, that is why having so many builds installed started to ruin my OS. Notifications when pressed don't send me to corresponding apps half the time, live tiles are weird, things like that. Fresh install is keeping my hopes up!  
  • Have any idea about Windows 10 mobile update coming date? Tomorrow? Day after tomorrow? Next week??
  • But after windows 10 officially releases if we use WDRT wudnt it directly install windows 10 as it is the latest software available? Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10 mobile on Lumia 9³°
  • Waiting 640xl
  • Last build, it is fast most of bug free, but ui stuttering and glitches very annoying, and camera need to be improved, hope they r not thinking release it in currently state to public. 640XL
  • Still bugs the all apps background (when set to paralax). On white theme it looks even worse. 
  • Cannot install the latest update .164 on my Lumia 640 in slow and preview ring. Downloading works without a problem. Preparing installation of 164 still fails (0x80091007 error). Unfortunately the soft reset didn't help :-( Any ideas?  
  • I had this issue all night with insider rings. Left program, rolled back, and got it without insider... It doesn't even mention insider in the information. When I did d/l with insider I had all sorts of error codes, like you. D/L OK but failed on the prep. Ditched insider, and viola. No errors.
  • Except that it is unstable on my 950. Reboots everytime I type specific words with the french keyboard (???), and sometimes when using edge. No issue with the EN keyboard, which may explain why nobody noticed...
  • Windows 10 on 630 works great, no issues here ;)
  • mine too
  • I left the insider program, started afresh and got this without any insider rings. Admittedly, it's a 950xl, but, all the same, I was surprised.
  • Is it worth upgrading my 1520 running 8.1 to W10M using the Insider Slow ring or just stick with 8.1?
  • You won't regret if you install this me.
  • Ok cool, I think I'll move over to the W10M Slow Ring when I get home from work.
  • Remarkable fact is that the link on those update announcement screens (still?) runs into a HTTP 500-error.
  • I have the AT&T 950 and I was able to update mine to the latest yesterday using the 'new' option in the Insider.
  • When is windows 10 release?
  • I am confused. I am in slow ring and yesterday build 10586.164 was offered but preparing install failed and still not possible to get it. I am on Lumia 640. I decided to switch to production ring and wait for release candidate.
  • Same here. I am having the same issue. I know we need to roll back to 8.1 for best performance, but I wasn't aware that it was absolutely necessary to install this build.. Did you get it to work?
  • When's it coming for public
  • I was on build 15194 said I had update for 10586 i installed it it completed install but in extras it says my build is still 15194. What's going on?
  • I'm quite happy with the .164 build. In fact I was quite happy with the .122 build already. But the .164 is faster, it's really fast compared to .122. Both builds have been stable already. There are still some bugs but nothing to irritate me with so I'm quite happy with it. (Lumia 1520 and Lumia 925). I feel we are getting closer to a general release of W10M to older devices with this  latest .164 build release.
  • Is the navigation bar problem still persist in lumia 535ds during playing games?
  • LOL....I'm not going to ruin my 1020.  I have subjected myself to W10M testing it on a 430, 640 and (ugh) a 950.
  • Ah, Unlocked phones only....Sigh... I guess my ICON wont get a firmware update any time soon. They need to adress the battery drain issues, sure they are a lot better than they were on the preview program but, still only about 60-70% of what 8.1 was on my ICON and I have TWEAKED the hell out of my phone. I assure you there is no running background programs besides the NEEDED things (and same things that were on 8.1, even less now). Wish we would get a update SOON, just like everything with Windows Phone, WAITING.....and more waiting. Microsoft should really change their name to "Coming soon !" Soon=2-3 years or when they feel like it
  • I like hard resetting after update but it takes 2 flippin days to restore and sync my contacts and messages :(
  • Just installed the new update on Lumia 735, with Insider app installed on the slow ring. I'm impressed. Speed of the OS is now much improved and means I'm not in such a rush to get an iphone or android...which is great cos I do prefer W10. Hope the 1gb ram stands up to multitasking on this new build. Last build the phone stuttered on occasions with simple tasks like typing, with many apps open in the background. Hopefully this new build will be better!
  • I saw this last week as well, on my 635, except when I installed, battery life was still horrible and the OS as a whole was still pretty buggy
  • For everyone having problems with the latest builds, open your store app and check for updates. On Redstone, and even .107, my updates for my apps weren't installing unless I opened the store and let them download and install. There have been many issues fixed for a variety of apps. The other thing to do is check your apps and close ones you don't need open. Edge, in general, never closes any tabs, so you may watch to check for any that are loaded and have apps. Granted they shouldn't, but my phone shows 40.6% battery usage since I charged it yesterday. I didn't use Edge but 2-3 times. However, I had 15 tabs open in edge.
  • Last version (10586.107) was much more stable on Lumia 920. Three resets yet sometime - Cortana crashes or wont listen, Notification pull down menu does not get "pulled down", Cant add language, Glance does not work, People app wont launch and the list goes on... Going back to 8.1. Can't take it anymore.    
  • I already have it in my 930
  • So far I like this build I have only did 1 hard reset when I first started back I think with .36 so far so good with my 640. Is it just me or people with a 640 having a better experience.
  • Swipe gestures in Edge aren't there, right?
  • When exactly it'll come??
  • When did xolo win q1000 get upgrade
  • Never
  • No it's not ready. There're still to many bugs and features that are not available.
  • Should i install this update on my lumia 1320 ???? Plzz reply
  • When 540 was getting windows 10
  • On 1st April
  • So i have a lumia 640 LTE, running w8.1 now (rolled back from wp10 cause of the in-app lag). The WP10 build i was using was like 1-2 builds back from this and i had serious lag issues with all my apps. Games would freeze here and there while playing and wouldn't be smooth at all. Now that i rolled back to 8.1 the performance is fantastic once again. So my question is: will i have the same issues if i update to this build? I saw a lot of comments saying that is very stable and blazing fast but i really want to know. Thanks in advance :)
  • Did you do a hard reset after updating last time? If so, did you restore backup? You might have better luck by doing a reset and not restoring. That being said, w10 is more resource hungry than 8.1 so it will take some time getting used to in the lower spectra of devices. 8.1 will always be faster from this regard.
  • I did not do a hard reset last time (wich was probably a mistake) but at first the performance was solid. Second day of use and everything was slow. Now, i know that w10 is more resource hungry (more features and stuff) and i like it more than 8.1 but i can't use my apps when i get freezes all the time. Although i am right now in the proccess of updating again to w10 with this build and i am gonna do a hard reset this time, just to see if there is going to be any difference. I am also not gonna restore from a backup, keep things clean for now. I will report back if i still get lag issues. Thanks for taking time to reply :)
  • Blu Win JR LTE (1GB RAM and 8GB Indian version) still not included in the recovery tool. Giving me the jitters. If it fails to receive the update, will keep it as a back up and consider the upcoming 4 inch iPhone.
  • Wow!.. That's going to be quite a price jump in phones... ​920&640
  • I love windows phone. They should let windows phones be with a stater button on the screen Where Customers Can Customize They Phone Like A Desktop Or Laptop. ....
  • Hi guys I am using Lumia 730 in fast insiders and my build version is 10.0.10586.107. I am not getting this update Nesanth
  • Its available only in the slow and release preview rings. Just go back to any of these, u will get it.
  • Now i am on .122 build then its possible to go directly on .164 build via insider app or first rollback to wp 8.1 and then go for .164 build which is better help me........
  • What the hell. When is coming windows 10 mobile update?? Original update!
  • After using this build a few days on a Lumia 735 1gb 16gb Verizon phone, this build is bad ass. My phone has never been this fast and smooth. Have not seen loading or resuming issues at all like I had on 8.1. Really glad I updated, it feels like a new phone amd I really love win10 mobile. More customization, better refinement's and enhancements Imvho.
  • I have a blizzard authenticator at my phone if I remove the app at the sd card I will my acc and codes?I want to do a hard reset. Posted from my NoteBook.
    Keep Calm Because P.A.O.K. you are...
  • Confirmed.  I just opted out of the Windows Phone Insider program.  The update 10586.164 was then titled as "Windows 10 Threshold".  Once the phone became a stand alone entity, once again,... no longer belonging to the Windows 10 Mobile Insider program...  The phone did not need to update to the "Windows 10 Threshold" version as it seems that Windows 10 Threshold is build 10586.164.  On my Nokia Lumia 925, under the "Settings" menu and upon selecting the "About" listing at the bottom, Nokia Lumia 925 states:  Version: "Windows 10 Mobile".  The release again is 10586.164 on the phone.  That release on the phone exactly matches the current, as of 3/10/2016,  PC version, Windows 10 Update release 10586.164.   Windows 10 Threshold.  Yay. Finally.  So far, I see little difference.  The most notable difference is the "People" tile on Start.  While the circular photo placeholder on PC Windows 10 lock screen drove me crazy until I could find a perfect sphere marble shaped "Globe" to put in there that was cropped correctly with no white spherical border, the circular pictures on the "People" tile are pretty cool looking.  Pictures on this tile come from " Facebook" friends.  As far as I know from the devices I currently use. BillyColt  
  • Confirmed. I opted out of the Windows 10 Mobile Insider Program. Nokia Lumia 925 in the Settings Menu under "System" and upon selecting the last "About" listing, the phone, Nokia Lumia 925 states version as "Windows 10 Mobile". Windows phone version10586.164 exactly matches Windows 10 PC version 10586.164. Upon opting out of the Insider ring, the update was then titled as "Windows 10 Threshold", and as a standalone entity, my Windows 10 Nokia 925 says it is up to date. After checking other sources, it appears that Windows 10 version 10586.164 will be the release candidate. Everything so far, is banking, music, edge, and the power usage and charging are back to normal. My contacts are there ....everything works as before...Cortana is offering help to me as we speak...wanting me to ask her something...and is showing me a demonstration Tutorial. I still love my Nokia with Windows 10 Mobile version 10586.164. For the newer phones, there are Windows 10 mobile updates way beyond this version. But I am very happy just to know that my device accepts Windows 10 as an operating system.
  • M using Lumia 535 DS with Win 10 TechPreview  wch recently got updated to 10586.164 but still bit glitchy ,GAMING RESOLUTION problem still not solved :( ,m unable to play Asphalt 8 .......on Win 8.1 it was smooth .Even other games having same prob :( kindely resolve it .... i do not wana roll back :/ 
  • I played Asphalt 8, and its been fine since build .71 on 830.
  • The screen flashing issue while using some apps still exists. Somehow the calendar notification on the lock screen isn't displayed anymore.......anyone with these issues....?? L830.
  • well i am updating right now i will see in my lumia 640
  • 801882d2 error Update couldn't be downloaded.every time shows on my lumia 540 phone.after completation of 51%. what can i do?