Alleged Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL, Continuum dock smile for the camera

Some new images reported to show Microsoft's upcoming flagships, the 950 XL (codenamed Cityman) and 950 (codenamed Talkman), have appeared online today, with the former showing off the smartphone connected to what appears to be a Continuum dock. The alleged image of Cityman comes from German blog DrWindows on its latest podcast, and looks very similar to other recent leaks.

Perhaps more interesting is what the alleged 950 XL is connected to, which looks to be the Continuum dock, codenamed Munchkin, that we previously revealed. The connector looks to be USB Type-C, which also lines up with previous reports that Microsoft's next flagships will sport the new connector.

And that's not all. As if by divine providence, notorious leaker Evan Blass has also revealed a new set of renders that are claimed to show the smaller Lumia 950, codenamed Talkman, along with its larger sibling.

As we previously revealed, Microsoft is likely to debut two new flagship phones this Fall in the Lumia 950 and 950 XL. At the moment, the devices go by the codenames Talkman and Cityman, and include the following specs:

Talkman (Lumia 950)

Matte White or black polycarbonate body
5.2 inch WQHD (1440x2560) OLED display
Snapdragon 808, 64-bit Hexa core
Iris scanner (infrared) for Windows Hello
3GB of RAM
32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot
20MP PureView rear camera
5MP Wide-angle front facing camera
3000 mAh removable battery
Qi wireless charging with flip cover
USB Type-C

Cityman (Lumia 950 XL)

Matte White or black polycarbonate body
5.7 inch WQHD (1440x2560) OLED display
Snapdragon 810, 64-bit Octa core
Iris scanner (infrared) for Windows Hello
3GB of RAM
32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot
20MP PureView rear camera with triple LED flash
1mm silver ring inside the circumference of the black camera pod
Aluminum side buttons
5MP Wide-angle front facing camera
3300 mAh removable battery
Qi wireless charging integrated
USB Type-C

As with all leaks of this nature, take these with the requisite grain of salt. We'll have to wait and see just what Microsoft announces this Fall, but things are starting to look mighty interesting.

Thanks to Andrew for the tip!

Sources: OneCast Episode 23, @evleaks; Via: WMPU

Dan Thorp-Lancaster is the former Editor-in-Chief of Windows Central. He began working with Windows Central, Android Central, and iMore as a news writer in 2014 and is obsessed with tech of all sorts. You can follow Dan on Twitter @DthorpL and Instagram @heyitsdtl.

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Wow , those are ugly ... Good luck to them
Yea I kinda have to agree
Daniel R. Time for a poll about the design.
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Looks like MS just bought Nokia for 3 reasons, and three reasons only.
1. So that no one else could.
2. So that there wouldn't be Nokia Android devices.
3. So that they could quickly kill off all Nokia smartphone business...
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Doesn't appear that MS bought Nokia to preserve, or continue, making terrific Lumia devices..... MS has just slapped it's biggest WP fans, all 50 of us, in the face.. And, they did it intentionally...
I think they look better than the Lumia 930. And similar to the 1520 only with rounded corners. Always liked the 1520(AKA 800) design but the corners were killing it for me and 6 inch was just too big.
Lumia Icon/930 had the best design of all Lumias. Just my opinion.
True. These are ugly by comparison.
They're not ugly. They're just kind of bland. I think we all just expected something a little bit more after waiting two years for a new flagship. These have a bugdet phone design. On the bright side, at least they're thin and have expandable storage. I'll still buy one... because I need a new phone and I want a Windows Phone... but I won't be that excited about it.
The Icon is pretty sexy. I also like the 928. But the sexiest phone I've ever seen in the 925.
Totally agree on the 925 being the sexiest phone.
Love my L925 give me this phone as 5.5 or 6 omg yes
had it, sold it, LOVED it!
But 1020 is the beast! The genuine looks for a Lumia device!
950 looks like an iphone... yack!
950 looks like an iPhone... 7 years ago.
correct!
925 is just perfect. My current 830 comes close (feels lighter and slimmer than 925)...
Yup. Have the 930 now, but the 925 was an excellent and elegant phone.
True. People used to stare at 925 in my hand trying to figure out what phone is.
I am sincerely waiting for 950. In this leak, back looks nice with that logo. Front is too mediocre to be a flapship. Too thick bezels, rediculously simple design, no use of metal. Overall disappointed :(
For me the rounded corners make it look less premium from the front, and I personally think on screen Back/Windows/Cortana keys should be limited to the more budget focussed devices.
How are you gonna fit the iris scanner and or biometric scanner without making the top and bottom bezels thicker. Plus even Iphone 6 top and bottom bezels may be even thicker than this 950 render. I don't mind those bezels thicker, as long as the phone thickness as thin as iPhone I am very happy.
Ugly as ever. Not flagship worthy. On screen buttons are terrible, bezels are massive. Ip6+ is rumored to have nearly NO bezel at all. Look at Motorola's example even for biometrics. They're late, and they've already lost. Nexus 6 here I come.
iPhone bezels are horrible. They're the worst among flagships in recent times. However, iPhones can afford to be terrible in many ways, they have the best apps, dedicated developers, and fanatical customers who don't care if the phone's the best, only that it's an iPhone. Microsoft also has dedicated fans, but they need every advantage they can get. I really hope these phones come out looking better than these renders.
lol 'flapship'
For me 925, 830 and 800 is the best designed Lumia ever existed. 930 is impressive too, its just bit too boxy which is better aligned for Surface line.
I am still tempted now and then to get a Lumia 800 or Nokia N9 just cause it looks so good, nevermind Windows Phone 7, at least the Walkman aka Zune works properly. A real letdown, though , is the nonexpandable storage.
Both phones hav 32GB of internal memory plus micro SD slot..
ya only drawback 930 is not slim plus heavy
That is not a drawback, in fact that's a sign of premium quality!!! Not made of federly cheep materials;). Skinny as aan ibend!
i dont have personal experience about lumia 930 that said i own S3,1020,730 comparing S3 which dont bend with others like lumia 930/1020 S3 weights 133g plus 8.6mm thin(released in 2012,may) where as 1020 weights 158g plus 10.4mm thick(released in 2013,july) when ever i carry 1020 it feels like iam carrying stone in my pocket but iam not complaining because of its camera it might be thick and heavy but coming to lumia 930 it weights 167g plus 9.8mm thick(released in 2014 april) more weight than 1020(41mp sensor) and S3 released two yrs back to 930 so now industry moved to samsung galaxy S6 6.8mm thin plus weights 138g which dont bend i guess, it looks premium/not durable but premium fashion statement....iphone 6.9mm thin weights 129g...light weight but bends still status and fashion statement.......bottom line: windows flagship devices are always far behind those guys(Microsoft/Nokia doesnt put enough effort to prove their stand)....nadella promised "we are going to release flasgship device which fans will love" guess what 70% fans are not loving early leaks so i dont think normal people will consider these ugly devices......hope they make premium devices.
You got to be kidding me:))). Do a test on your s3 and with an 930. You will understand what premium quality is when they hit the ground, cause apparently premium quality for allot of people means to look premium from the far distance. I don't comprehend this "feels like a stone in my pocket" cause i am strong enough to carry 200g+ without feeling they are with me. But well, each with his own. I rather carry a lumia 1020 without a case(thing i am actually doing since i bought it 1 and a half years ago) then keep an s3 covered by all sorts of ugly cases ( even uglier then s3 already is). But then again, each with his own. Ps. I droped my lumia on the ground while riding the bike, while i know gorilla glass is a piece of s*** it didn't brake (well, that was a lucky one) but what i say here is that my phone still looks quite good. Am pretty sure an s3 would have been into the garbage by now;). Using that phone without a case is called money thrown down the drain. So, i first look at the build quality microphones, eapieces and cameras. Then i look at the system it holds. As for ms/nokia, they have to satisfy clients like me also. I don't need feminine devices, i need robust gadgets that can take a fall and feels like you are holding them in your hand and are not lift up by some kind of antigravity wierdness. So for me they aren't far behind. They are in fact, far up front. I would never buy a device with the build quality of an samsung or the latest iphones. Am not proud of HTC and sony either...
The number of people I see every year with a cracked screen on their iPhone is crazy. Obviously there are more in circulation to break, but I see it a lot. They definitely look premium but they just aren't durable. But I guess that's why some people get insurance. I've been using Windows Phone since WP7 launched in the UK, and always a Nokia since the Lumia 800 launched (Actually got this free from Microsoft and Nokia!) and I've never had phone insurance, and never needed to use it for a Nokia device. Will be interesting to see if these Microsoft devices have the same durability
i think nokia display will shatter if it dropped on face i just think
sorry did not mean to report your post. Was done accidentally!!!
no problem i can understand thanks for information :)
I have a Iumia 830. I use it quite a bit, it's replaced my tablet usage for the most part. It would be better if it was lighter as it does sometimes cramp up my wrist. People use phones constantly and hold them all the time. They need something light. At home i use it barebones, but when I go out I put it in a wallet case. And it works for me. Typically outdoors ill have it in my wallet case as it's the best protection for the screen. My buddy has a case on his HTC one M8 and it fell and his screen shattered. And I bet you would say that's a sturdy phone. Screens are always going to shatter as they are tempered. So the best protection for outdoor use where things can't be predicted are the wallet cases. But if you have it in your hands, all it takes is being careful. I've only dropped my phone once and it was while I was out on a patio and i put my phone screen down and the table was a bit wobbly and it fell on the ground face flat on the screen. It survived and I got a wallet case for those scenarios. I've never dropped it from my pockets or hands. I'm not sure how that happens to people. If I pay a lot for something I take good care of it.
S3 2012 model where as 930 2014...i just want to state.......windows flagship devices doesnt catch trend they are like tortoise moving in a race with rabbit ya ya i know at last tortoise won(paradox)...for eg: apple introduce something with iphone in spet samsung follow all features of apple with some samsung additional feature in april where as windows flagship follow 1yr old/2yr old features.......iam using S3 with out case dropped many times but nothing major as it didnt dropped on face....iam pretty sure any device display will shatter if it fall on face..you can carry 200+ without feeling a thing good for you hulk i just cant...my carry weight would be 130 - 135g...
Dude, the experience a lumia gives is heavenly, it doesnt matter if windows is following the trends or not.. the thing is we the fans are happy and proud, eventually the world will see what these lumias are capable of when wm10 comes out..
I always get a kick out of the heavy comment. Seriously just how weak do you have to be for it to be heavy? Can you even lift a soda can?
that was harsh ya i can lift soda can bec its more lighter than lumia :p i feel heavy because i use S3 regulary i feel heavy because i use lumia 730 rarely i feel heavy because when ever i wear shorts which are loose while walking/running my pocket moves front and back like iam carrying pretty heavy obj may be stone oh no guess what it is lumia 1020.
Hahaha nice @Cordova
lol (y)
@coip:
+925!
+925
My thoughts exactly!
925 does actually
I beg to differ. The 930 was too thick. IMHO the 830 had the best design!!!
Yeah everyone complained about the 930 being too thick
Yeah I thought the 930 was too thick as well. I actually think the 730 was the nicest Lumia, but wanted something with a better camera so went for a 1520.
I also bag to differ. If their is something to bother your pocket of how 930 is made against the 830 that can be only the height of the devices. And 830 is bigger. Stop being so childish people! Get a freaquin life! Is to big, to small, to thick, to thin. God what a bunch of crybabys. And cause of this we see icrapp bending everywhere without a 3 mm case!
You may continue "bagging" to differ. But my opinion does not change. And my 830 does not bend in my pocket.
+640
I agree it's too thick. The 830 is a much better design. And it's probably the best one they did and ever will do. That's why they discontinued it. They can't have good looking phones in their line up. It wouldn't mix with the atrocity they are releasing hehe.
930/icon and 925 had the best design in my opinion.
+930
Agreed. Love my 930.
I just got a 930 second hand, in an effort to upgrade from my 1020 and not end up taking out an expensive 2 year contract to get the 950XL when it's out. In some ways it's one of the best designed Lumia's Nokia ever made, but they did make some fairly simple mistakes. That little slot speaker on the back is pretty bad compared to the 1020 speaker, and the lack of Screen Memory is an annoyance (Not really a problem as I use my MS Band for that sort of quick heads up info anyway). Just from an aesthetic point of view it's very nice though. Oh and obviously the performance kills the Lumia 1020, no more waiting!
I agree with you... But some Lumia too are equally better in design.. But this leak doesn't look nice at all I hope they will redesign it
These aren't flagships. They're tugboats. Glorified 640s with a camera bump. Clearly, Microsoft has given up on phones.
@cybersaurusrex:
Finally, someone who sees the bigger picture.
I was among those who said that Nadella has given up on phones. But of course I didn't mean immediately, because people would scold him for not giving the universal app strategy a chance.
But mark my words: Microsoft phones running Windows will be gone two years from now, at latest by the end of 2017.
A little thinner would help. :-) Actually the latest rendors look like the phones made before L830 except L925 which has a metal frame. The design has disappointed people since the it goes backward instead of going forward from L830/L930. They look so close to L640/L640XL. The Surface Phone may resemble to the look of L925 since it also uses Aluminum frame. It is too late to make any changes to the new phones, but MS could add more new vibrant colors in addion to the black and white.
Totally agree. The 930 and 1520 were two well designed good looking devices.
Definitely better them than the 930, I like the design. I understand the top bezel is too big, but outside of that, these are nice looking phones.
930 and 925 are the best designs in the world of smartphones, phones home phones, walkie talkie's, radar stations, baby listeners, whatever is hand held (you name it, i give it). Best desing their is and will ever be. The rest looks just some dull nothing spinnng around the. Yeah, my 1020 falls also in the spinning around category!
No way! The 930/Icon was one of the most boring designs Nokia produced for WP. The only worse design was the 928. Neither are stylish and both look like boxes no one cared to make look like actual flagship devices. My 1520 looks much better than both. The 925 is the best looking device along with the 720. Both of these new devices look like low budget followups to the 1320.
I agree with completely nothing you just said.. Lol.
Well, see if i care.... L...o....L
People just dont realize that the only thing they dont like about this is rounded corners. I personally always loved L925 design so I am dissapointed with these rounded corners, they make phone look cheap, I would only give rounded cornes to low end devices. And also that L1020 camera which looks like a fucking eyelet on my door
Lumia 930 has a very good design. In my books it is in the top three with 920 and 925.
Lol, 930 is a boring, boxy and uninspired effort.
BETTER THAN 930 ? they look like something produced by lenovo or motorola back in 2012 .. who ever designed this phone needs to get out of the past ..
I hear you man. I was all prepared to pick up a number of these, but I see I'll just have to wait to see what the future holds. If my son wants one I'll get one for him but I'll just pass this time. I really can't stand the on screen buttons. If the so called to be named later "Surface" phone has on screen buttons I don't know what the hell I'm going to do. Hopefully some other OEM makes a phone with some physicall buttons with some great specs.
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Edit: I started to think one of the reason Microsoft has decided to do these on screen buttons is so that "possibly" they will release a version of WP that can be loaded on any smartphone and this is there way of testing it on us globally. Yes... it was a passing thought. :)
would be nice to have landscape home screen also, doesnt work so well with physical buttons
@polychromenz:
Although I tend to have that urge for a phone design to be perfect, I couldn't give a lesser duck about the orientation of the buttons in landscape mode.
It's not like you won't recognize the three buttons anymore if you tilt your device by 90 degrees and they don't re-allign.
It is one of main reasons that MS began to remove the dependancy of hardware button since WP8.1 Update 1. They have a bigger plan. They will move in the Android phone teritoory like they are doing now with Xiaomi by loading W10M onto Mi4 Android ROM. On-screen buttons are programmable, so MS can re-program the Mi4 buttons to support W10M. The softkeys are far more flexible that the hardkeys. Another possible motive is to let Android app developers to use the softkeys to support their apps when they port their apps via Project Astoria. Of course, the softkeys can shift 90 degrees along with the Landscape mode. Once you change the hardware keys to softkeys, you can play all kind of tricks to the phone. It may be a necessary evil. We just have to get used to it.
@Yangstax:
Then Microsoft should reserve the stupid on-screen buttons to these 'pirated' devices, but keep them away from their premium devices, which don't deserve to be reprimanded by a let-down like this.
A subtle thing, but what happened to Lumia 920's hidden microphone hole? And if there truly will be a microphone hole off-center in the 950/XL, my OCD ain't gonna be happy.
Speaking of microphones... MS probably left the 5 HAAC mics out as well... SMDH.
What do you think those row of small holes on the back are for? Those should be for the HAAC mics.
Have there been any phones with HAAC since Microsoft started making them? It's one of my favorite must have features of the older Lumias
Dude rides a GS 500 he's got no eye for style. Lol
Under powered, but still better than a scooter.
Really, busting on me for my first bike after motorcycle school? Love the pretentiousness in the motorcycle community.
My first bike was a Ninja 250. When it comes to bikes, you need to start smart. If you ride something too big, you'll ride into a wall. Normally, those who make fun of a biker's bike, either doesn't ride, or is just a stuck-up jerk. Good on you, man. (Insert biker wave here)
I see the parallel tweenies are upset cause they ride ugly bikes. Lol take off the plastic on your ninja buddy and tell me your motor looks good let alone feels good.
You're an ass @sam 77
Haha, agreed. I started with a Rebel. Love that bike!
Hey, I got a NHCB450SC in my garage... Don't feel bad.
I like the GS500. The person criticizing you probably doesn't even have a bike.
I am planning on getting my first bike soon as well. A hand me down but yeah it'll be something tame. I'm gonna use this line of I get any crap about it
GS 500 is a great and often suggested first bike. Hell, I learned off of a Ninja 250 and sold it two years later for almost what I paid for it. A smaller bike, or a bike with less farings are great to start with because hey, you're/we're kind of newbs and need a bike that can take a drop without us crying about it. I picked up a YZF 600R after and that was a lot of bike. People getting all macho with going one liter eventually got into crashes. Ignore it all and enjoy the ride.
Well, their are spair cpu's with one gazillion cores and yoi can also change ram and gpu. 3000000000000000 gb ram you can use and a horny gpu with trillion cores and billions gb ram. Just look up google, this phones will be totally modular. You can even install pc ram in them. It's crazy!!!
"Daniel R. Loves them... Says they are revolutionarily designed."
Rodneyej, you need to check yourself. I have never said they are "revolutionary". I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting my views for your own comment glory. Thanks.
Daniel,.. I was just joking. Lol. Everyone knows you didn't say that... Sorry.
Maybe MS deliberately leaked these ugly looking renders just to bring in the element of surprise and may be the actual phones look nowhere near like these renders....Just saying....Maybe....hoping....!!!
lol, at this point there is no hoping.
Lol! I wished that they're just trolling us and then release a real and better phones. Unfortuately I fell that they're dead serious to release these. I wished evleaks fetched the wrong one...
Doubt it. When did any phone maker release fake renders only to unveil something completely different at launch?
I hope you're right.
"Everyone ..."?
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You sure about that? :)
Everytime i read one of your comments, i get the impression that something's just wrong with you.
"comment glory"
......... Rodney.........never!
.......... LOL :) :)
I think the joke was is that it sounds like something you'd say.
hahahaha they are revolutionarily ugly
Unapologetically ugly.
The design seems to be a blend of Lumia 640, Lumia 920 whereas It would be best to have design that seems to be mix of Lumia 925 frames with frame strips and removable back shell cover and camera module like that of Lumia 830.
Lumia 925 + Lumia 830 would look great as I imagine. That was I'm wishing before the leaks even came out. Lumia 830 and Lumia 925 should be really a baseline design for future flagships. They incorporate metal + premium feel polycarbonate in a Fabula design which is a very thing for Lumia. Metal frames is usually a safe bet (whether its a best or not) for flagships, since they often associated with premium feel and build. Plastics isn't bad, its actually great and that was the Lumia shows for the past years, only this time this upcoming Lumia is a major disappointment, a black sheep.
This
I blame it partly on the choice of material used. It's hard for plastic to look premium. But, on hand I bet most people will find the build very rigid & solid. Even with a removable back I think (hopefully) it'll still feel premium.
Maybe, but I don't think plastic is a problem here. Lumia is well known for using plastic but still looks and feels premium, which is really indeed a great quality devices, even their entry-level ones.
The big problem here is really the general design of the device, especially on some areas like its speakers, bezels, camera ring, those 6 holes and camera humps that make it looks ugly. Also the general shape now looks nothing like Fabula design which is a general design language for Lumia. Based on the images, they look rather some generic ODM that been rebadge with Microsoft logo. They look generic in general.
The Cityman looks beautiful, much like my late 1520. Only design "flaw" I see is the big silver thing around the Talkmans camera... I like the simplistic designs of Lumias and I really don't care for all the metal crap other OEMs call premium.
thats ridiculous. Those are not the real reasons. I'm buying a Cityman as soon as it is released.
Couldn't have said it better. Microsoft excels in 2 things - 1. building excellent apps on other platforms and 2. letting down continouosly windows fans. I'm completley disgusted with the lack of interest from their end. Can't understand myself why haven't jumped ship already..I guess this is the final straw. not gonna but this 640 cheap looking crap
But, Rodney, think about the marketing aspect
........ The new revolutionary Lumia iPhone
......... Seriously, this is too much like the iPhone for me, toooooo much bezel and roo much camera bump. Be difficult to use the phone on a flat surface.
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Also, I dislike the on screen keys. May well give this one a miss and keep my lovely bright orange 930. It runs so well on 8.1 and I assume even better on W10.
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P.S. you should have © ....... lol
But weren't Nokia in financial difficulty? So if Nokia produced 95% of Windows Phones, and then someone else bought Nokia and stopped producing WP.......you get the point im trying to make? It was a good thing that Microsoft bought Nokia and subsequently preserved Windows Phone thus enabling you to moan about the design of a handset made for a platform that still lives on. Did I miss anything?
Well said, that speaker placement alone make me sad looking at all my friends iPhones.
Oh hey rod. Still making up salacious claims that make no sense I see! Keep up the good work Roddy. Always good for a laugh.
Exactly
There is no need to poll. Nay sayers would win out of emotion. The new phones are not ugly, but uninspiring at best. People are disappointed due to the over expectation for a perfect dream flagshhip to match the exciting specs. In the end, the new phones look not much different from the old L920 and L1020. People are expecting an improved L830/L930 look and instead getting ....... Asides from the outside look, I see two improvements on L950XL from the previous WC rendors. The Power button stays seperate from the Volume control buttons. That is different than L950, with the Power button located between the two Volume buttons. It will be a confusing experience for its users. The second thing is that L950XL has a similar design as L640XL with rounded back edges which would be comfortable to hold as some 640XL reviewers have discovered. The WC rendors's square edges look nicer but not practical in usage.
forums.windowscentral.com/upcoming-rumored-windows-phones/379645-lets-take-poll-cityman-talkman-press-images.html#post3210137 Poll looks prettty split so far.
S6 edge plus, here i go
Bye
Yeah I hear they're well priced and have great storage options... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Hey im going from a flagship lumia with 32gb cap so i think 64gb is good enough...and i got the money so the price for top spec and elegance and premium quality phone im ok to give...ill keep my 930 and see where we going mobile wise in 1 year
I'm enjoying my S6
The only negative is the battery. It's pretty bad. Posted via the WC App for Galaxy S6
Yep, but that fast charging is da bomb
i dont blame you bro
Gonna have to wait again for a decent looking flagship phone... Fucking can't stand on screen nav buttons
Yeah after you fire most of Nokia employees this is what you get.... Microsoft should have fired their employees and kept the ones from Nokia. And that's not a 1mm silver ring on the device, unless they were talking about thickness.
Exactly!!!!!!!!
It is 1mm silver ring around the camera lens! if you read carefully that description is referred to the blue XL version. A small ring around the lens, look carefully.
you are absolutly correct. my bad. I assumed the well "silver ring" on the black device was actually the silver ring, and the pictures are in reveresed order from teh spec list, that made get it wrong even more.
Those are made by Nokia employees, you know. They are still working there.
We don't exactly know who are been fired, but based on the looks of these devices. It feels like they do. It feels like being selected from random unknown ODM and been branded as Microsoft.
+1
You're looking at the wrong phone.
yeah, i noticed.
Healthy comments section below... I'm surprised it didn't get to nasty
Too much bezel at the bottom.
I think it just seems that way because of the on-screen buttons. There's some bezel, but the with black-bordered buttons, it's almost certainly exaggerated.
There's still too much bezel, enough that they could easily fit physical buttons down there. Maybe they are keeping that as a backup plan, and the "leaks" are just to gauge peoples' reaction to the on-screen buttons. But if they truly are going to inflict the abomination of on-screen buttons on a flagship device (?!?) then that bottom bezel better disappear almost completely, otherwise WTF...
Abomination? On-screen buttons are better in every way.
Yeah, losing screen real estate is SO MUCH BETTER than using the entire display. Losing function of the nav buttons if the screen cracks slightly is a total win. On-screen buttons are the absolute worst.
The onscreen nav bar hides and it works just as good I not better non of you noticed that it does have a dedicated camera button tho every one bitch about not having a dedicated camera button and then when Microsoft adds it back you completely ignore it and bitch about onscreen nav.
Yes, not having your navigation button on-hand at all times is a GREAT thing! It only adds another step to every attempt at app switching, multitaskins, and app closing! How did we ever live without overly complicated navigation? Hiding the nav buttons is worse than tasking away screen space with them, because it functionally hurts the user, if he's a frequent multitasker. As for that asinine, baseless camera button complaint? I assume it was concoted at the same drinking contest. The only time I personally complained about the loss of a camera button was with the HTC One (M8), the nastiest gutting of WP I've ever seen. I complained about the on-screen nav buttons when that thing came out, too. So, take this moronic yarn you've spun to peg me as some other people I have never heard from and kindly toss it in the trash, where it belongs.
On screen buttons are far superior. You don't have extra hardware to fail. The buttons disappear so you cannot accidentally hit them while playing a game or watching a video. They can rotate with the screen and can change to match the app or to add other contextual features. Swiping to bring them up isn't an issue for multitasking as they do not disappear immediately. They stay up for a period so you can switch between apps quickly and easily. There is a reason the vast majority of phones have them today. They are superior. Knowing Microsoft and Windows phone, they will probably be gimped in some way. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
All of that makes too many assumptions. You assume that all app switching is fast or immediate. If I go into an app for a couple of minutes, then want to go to another, I have to bring up the nav buttons, then go. If I want to go back a minute later, I have to bring them up again. If I resolve that by having a longer timeout for the buttons, I lose screen space. On top of that, the new PoS that is Groove Music probably won't play nicely with those things. It introduces a constant Now Playing at the bottom of the app (which already screws with the app in bad ways), and the nav buttons can probably get in its way, given Microsoft's penchant for releasing things without getting basic stuff sorted. You say there is less hardware to fail, but there isn't, and given that I've yet to hear the story of how nav button hardware broke on a Windows Phone, I don't think that's even relevant. I mean, an iris scanner's another piece of hardware to break, yet there it is. A third LED flash bulb's another piece of hardware to break, and there it is. Nothing you've said makes on-screen nav buttons any better for me. They instead are still something that breaks OS aesthetics, gets in the way of apps, hinders navigation (funny irony of nav buttons, really), and offers no benefit, at least for me.
"On screen buttons are far superior." Thanks for your opinion. "You don't have extra hardware to fail." How many hardware button failures you heard of? I mean only the buttons and not the screen and all? "The buttons disappear so you cannot accidentally hit them while playing a game or watching a video." Yup. The buttons disappear so you cannot try and close an app if it is unresponsive or loading slowly. Heck the haptic feedback in the hardware buttons would at least let you know whether the phone hanged. With on screen, if the app never hanged but being slow also won't let the buttons appear. "They can rotate with the screen and can change to match the app or to add other contextual features." That will be an excellent idea and it might come in the future, I guess. As of now, The on screen buttons in my Lumia 640XL neither rotates not have any contextual feature. "Swiping to bring them up isn't an issue for multitasking as they do not disappear immediately. They stay up for a period so you can switch between apps quickly and easily." They stay up for couple of seconds. Yes. But whatever you wanted to do, like say read an article in Windows Central app, should be done within those seconds and long press the back button before they goes out. Which, at least to me, is impossible for all the time. "There is a reason the vast majority of phones have them today. They are superior. " Well buddy. Android is used by vast majority of phones. Even thrice higher than iPhone. Are they superior? Can they run fluently on a dual core processor like WP or iPhone? Can their battery last longer than a similar spec WP(refer HTC One)? Or in the WP platform. Do you think Lumia 520, vast majority of phones in users hand, is superior than say 920 or 930?
I can't be bothered to respond to this. It's just too much misguided, pointless crap spewing, and I have to get to bed. I just felt it worth the time to say that this comment is a waste.
1. You can always bring up software buttons, they are part of the OS and not of each individual app. That means if an app crashes you can bring them up and close the app, like normal. 2. Software buttons can have haptic feedback too, in fact, it was enabled on my phone by default - i turned it off though. 3. The onscreen buttons on Windows Phone DO rotate. Look closely. 4. You can also choose to permanently enable the buttons if you do not want them to hide 5. You get extra functionality like double-tapping the black bar to turn the phone off. I have a Samsung Ativ S - the ONLY Windows Phone with an ACTUAL hardware button. My buttons are realer than anyone elses - yet i still enabled on screen buttons with a hack. I love how they rotate and are exactly as bright as the screen - no more burning your eyes out in the dark when your hardware buttons get illuminated like an exploding star. I also love double-tap-to-lock.
Well the backlit buttons makes the device look so premium,it would've been a premium factor to these cheap looking phones
I guess it is not a trade off right? Like if you need dedicated camera button, you should stay with on screen buttons. Or if you opt for physical keys then say bye bye to camera button? It is not revolutionary to have a dedicated camera button AND dedicated hardware navigation keys. 920 had it. 1020 had it. And do you think those phones are ugly or not greatest windows phone devices at that time? Heck 920 even got prizes for the design.
@jdholland79:
I have used a device with on-screen buttons and never before have I had so many accidental presses on the navigation buttons because of the missing physical space between the touchscreen and the buttons and so many accidental force closings of apps because of the erratical behaviour of the back button on the hyperactive touchscreen.
And by the way: If you're in the photo gallery and look at screenshots you can never discern between the buttons that were recorded with the screen capture and the 'real' ones.
On screen buttons are pretty nice on my 640. Didn't think I as going to like it at first but I actually like it better then on screen
@Keith Wallace:
This! Thank you very much. Finally someone who talks some sense into the on-screen button discussion.
Microsoft added some extra pixels on some of their devices with on-screen buttons, so that the 'available' resolution for content was (about) the same. But what people don't realize is that you're always losing screen REAL ESTATE with on-screen buttons, because five inches remain five inches after all.
On screen buttons allow for a bigger screen. You can swipe them away at any time to view the full screen. Capacitive require a huge bezel, making the phone bigger without increasing the screen size.
they aren't accidentally touched, for sure. But, they take up screen real estate. So the 5.2 screen really only has 5 inches that are usable for icons. At heart that is false advertising on screen size.
Not at all. That the screen isn't used in the way you prefer doesn't make that sectino of the screen non-existent, especially sicne the on-screen buttons can be hidden while in an app (even if that's not a good fix to those stupid buttons).
@ChefFabrizio:
I (don't even beg to) differ.
With my device with on-screen buttons accidental button presses quadrupled compared to before.
Just hide the on screen buttons by swiping up
Looks like that's too hard for some people.
@Waughy:
It's not too hard (to grasp), but its a MAJOR inconvenience in usage flow if you have to swipe the navigation buttons up constantly, because you set them to auto-hide to get your screen real estate back. It doubles the number of taps required to do anything that requires the navigation buttons.
I've had phones with both styles of buttons, makes no difference to me. Certainly not a MAJOR inconvenience. First world problem more like it.
Onscreen buttons are complete rubbish, the only time you'll be able to easily use the max screen real estate is when watching a video or gaming, every other activity done on the phone requires at least one button either to go back or to start meaning most of the time you'll have the nav buttons showing which means for most usage you don't have all the screen available. Onscreen buttons are CRAP!!!
You have to remember where they're coming from. The 920 was designed with extra bottom bezel to avoid accidental presses while holding the bottom of the phone. I'm sure this is the same concept. Plus, if you drop your phone and the bottom makes contact with the ground, you're not ruining functionality because it's just bezel down there.
I just wish, it should be a metal framed phone (Perfect phone/pocket PC). :P
How are you supposed to hold the phone if there is no bezel? I like having some bezel grab onto.
I mean, you hold it from the back and wrap your fingers to the sides, don't you? I do. Your latter point was more mine, that some people like to hold the phone from the bottom, for whatever preferential reason. The bottom bezel allows for that.
vw1610, I don't even have any fingers on the top bezel despite there not being any buttons to interfere with. I simply envelope the sides with my index fingers (which also happens to be the only way to hold your phone if you're typing, playing a game or something else other than reading or watching a movie).
"I don't even have any fingers" My brain cut off the rest of the sentence, and I questioned how you managed to use a phone for a second. The only time I put my fingers on the top/bottom bezels is when I have am handing the phone to someone, and it's typically locked, so the button interference is quite rare for me.
lol, now that I read what I wrote, it sounds funny... The quirks of speaking various languages daily. Precisely my points.. the bezels generally don't bother me unless I hand the phone to someone, at which point I might unintentionally press something, but that includes the screen, so I would likely hit virtual buttons too.
I complained that I had no gloves, until I met a man who had no fingers.
Fat bezel phones you make the rockin world go round
bottom bezels are too small they are blank because display drivers have been installed there more over its not about bezel for me/on screen keys well i like physical buttons .....its just ugly design
They should also bring Lumias with White borders around the display panel as like Iphone or Samsung.
So we're just going to jump the shark entirely with every bad piece of design? White devices are the worst, particularly when glossy.
The white N9 looked phenomenal.
Almost as big as the iphones bezel
Not expected those sort of Entry level looks.
God only can save them!
Lol dead on Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
I have to admit, they are unbelievably boring-looking devices. Not one person will ever look twice when you pull one of those out of your pocket.
The Micromax 950/950XL....
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I told you guys... We aren't getting good 930/Icon1520 replacements.....
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I told you guys MS was dropping the ball months ago... But, no!.. You didn't listen.. Should've joined me and consistent concern that the next high end devices aren't good enough.... Now look.. Too much blind faith, and not enough higher expectations, left MS to totally kill what Nokia had going good.. Terrific design, and unmatched camera technology...
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I blame the fans for this one... We should've stayed on MS's ass to do better... NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN!.... SMDH... LOL.
Don't worry, Windows 10 will fix everything! :)
Lol.. Right.
That was a greatv reply buddy. I have also been preaching for years but all you hear blind fans say is that will solve it or for windows 10 mobile, "its still in alpha or beta chill down". That was the perfect time to complain not now that everything seem to be set in stone. Dam! I súre wish the renders just look that way cos they're render but alas we'll be confronted with the naked truth. MS hasn't been taking mobile too serious, they should have just helped Nokia financially to keep making phones. Well lets wait for the event and see mazbe this is a aprilfool~s just "wishfull thinking!.
I sense sarcasm in theefman's reply :P
Yes, of course..
Well said.
Gosh! They're listening to our feedback! They will fix it after the release! :D
Oh. Are these the devices Microsoft has officially announced and released?
Agree
@rodneyej Were you one of those kids that went "Nyah, nyah, I told you so!" Or is that just a trait you've picked up since becoming an "adult"?
Very much Agreed Windows Central and MS fans overthrew the Nokia and most articles were against Nokia. Anyways, MS fans have axed their own feet by overthrowing Nokia(WP's Golden goose). Now die.. :/
Just curious. What about them is entry level looking? And what should flagship look like? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Mostly on screen buttons are used to reduce the cost of a phone and hence being used in most low ends. Physical buttons, on the other hand, adds to the cost and should be used on more preimum phones where price going up a little is not a problem. Since these devices are the latest, greatest and the best Microsoft can offer until this year, which one we should expect? On screen or physical?
So all the the high end Android phones with on screen buttons like the LG G4 and Nexus 6 are actually low end devices? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Bam! Right in the spot!
I had Lumia 520 with physical button, so yeah it's high end phone, or premium phone, or flagship, just whatever you call it (?) Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
The colourful plastic back with black edging, they look more like a Lumia 640 than a Lumia 930. Even the 1520 looks more premium with its boxy design from the front but when you look at the sides there is a unique curve to the shape of the device that is truly unique. Nothing about these phones looks unique and distinctively premium other than the camera hump (which I have no problem with). And yes, I did just say that the hump is premium, I agree wholeheartedly with that.
Ugly ass phone Microsoft
Seems suspect. Why the heck is the photo so low res? In this day and age, spy photos should look much better. This phone looks a lot like the 640, actually.
Doesn't look like a flagship. Dafuq?! 930 and 830 look better than these!
I agree... These don't say Lumia at all.... Stupid rounded corners.. SMDH
We need a new phone that is based off the 925's look. Its internals might be aging, but people always ask me if I got a new phone. It still looks great.
Would love a 925 refresh. My favorite Lumia design
I also loved my Lumia 925 but it was too darn slippery! Satin finish aluminium looks great, but slips out of your hand too easily!
Totally agree!
YES!!! They really should just based-off from Lumia 925 design but with 830 camera looks, slim, small bezels and removable back plate. Those are enough and you got worthy Lumia flagship design!
I like rounded corners..
Coming from a 925 myself....If the non-metal design shaves off $50-100 a phone, I am all for it. I'm more concerned with hardware, camera and screen. Hopefully these are $400 off contract. $349 would be better as that would undercut the 830, which was overpriced. MS has a real chance if these are cheaper than Galaxy/Nexus/Droid type phones. Hard to beat the Zenphone 2 though. How does Asus even make money on that..... If these were metal then they are $649 starting, they will fail. They can't expect to charge Apple prices for their phones.
930 design is great, if they only make it a little bit thiner (~2mm) and added SD cards - it would be great. it is a perfect minimalistic form, with great screen to body ratio. these pics above cant compare to the current flagship. they look rubbish.
So like an 830 then. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Who said 930 is a flagship? It cannot even do glance :-/ In my opinion, 1520 is the flagship that never compromised any feature of Windows Phone with really beefed up specs(including size)
They already have sd cards..
They look nice, but not flagship material. They are similar to 640.
seriously wtf up with these guys lol
We need a Zune HD Chasis
A Zune body at a 5.5 inch viewable screen size mmmm
I agree with all u guyss.!, ugly design and seriously sayin the Microsoft written above spoils the look to make it look like entry level phone .!, hope so they knock their minds again before releasing this ugly design as flagship
!!, last year 830 came with a gorgeous design and it ain't here now .!, re release it with better specs and same design ! Ppl like me would love to buy it
So in your mind the 830 is a flagship based solely on its design? And the 950XL isnt a flagship because of its design despite its higher end specs? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
so in your opinion iphone is based on specs
Hahaha agreed man!!! +720
It's based on functionality. It just works and that's why so many stick with it. Design is almost irrelevant for iPhone now as people stick a stupid looking case on them. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
This is true. And I'll never understand why.
haha ture but still initial design feel what makes them buy iphone atleast 10% credit goes to design out of 100
Whats your question? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Simplified question: do you think iphone sell good/people like iphone because it is based on specs...hexa core,octa core,4gb ram,3gb ram?
This... Really really miss the Zune Desing Way
PLEASE, NO! The only thing I hated about my Zune HD 32 was the ugly metal back. I hate light-colored metal. I hated that metal band on the 830/930 in its lighter forms. I suppose if they used the coloring of the Zune HD 16's metal back, it wouldn't be TOO bad. However, something like that hideous Surface Pro 3 back? I'll pass.
I looked up the Zune HD. Damn! A new phone with a similar styling would rock
Man! Zune HD still looks great even today! I wished they rather reuse its base design and just update to make it slimmer, and small bezels.
#UglyDesign
I agree these phones are ugly as hell but nothing you can't fix it with a good cover ;-) their spec is just amazing is like the good ugly girl you love for her inside not for her out side :P
And how about the fact that there werent any good covers for Windows phones since its release, compared to the tremendous array of beautiful cases and covers for iphone.. Not a single 1. All ugly as ph*ck.
THIS ISN'T TWITTER!
So?
Stupid asstags are stupid.
I know!!!!! It is another rectangle slab as someone put it. Wonder what new iphone will look like. I am not buying that atrocity. Hey man awesome phone from 1994.
That bottom bezel is hideous & large. Deal breaker. If you're going ti have a bezel that large it better come with capacitive buttons. I'm really disappointed.
new iphone will look like same old iphone with better specs this time
I can deal with these looks if the specs are accurate. This is the perfect phone for me.
These examples look horrible.. I agree... These don't say Lumia at all.... Stupid rounded corners.. SMDH
I like them better than the 930 designs. It was too boxy. This is much better. People are complaining that there's no premium look because of the lack of metal. But since the covers are removable maybe Microsoft can offer some covers separately that look more premium.
They suck, as far as design goes.... Stop being a fan, and look at this design for what it is.. A hundred steps back..
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Why would ANYONE give up their iPhone, or galaxy, for this❔❔❔❔ Ask yourself that.
These look like generic android devices. Low end devices! SMH
That's exactly what they look like.....
Agree! Agree!
This reminds me of generic cheap Android devices. The design is exactly have same looks from those cheap phones, except its not Windows Phone!
Because it's not Android or iOS. (I only said that because someone earlier claimed that is why I like Windows phone). #trollin Honest answer? Cause they are tired of iOS and Android and want Continuum, something that pairs BEST with their XBox, PC and tablet. If they don't have any of that, then just to try something new. All valid reasons. People call me all the time wanting a new phone... Do you know why? Cause the last 3 Galaxy phones or iOS phones have all been increasingly worse. They always think the next model will be better and go back and forth between those two OSs, or jump to the Galaxy Sx because it's the latest and they all fail them with some new issue. A shiny new OS gives them another choice. I tried it just because and loved it, others will too. You speak as if these OSs Gabe everything implemented perfectly but they don't. They have more of everything but of what really? For me, the past few years with Windows have been great even though "everyone" says I'm missing something. Hopefully mite people will understand that it's what you do with your device that makes it worth it to you. My friend drives a Jeep and swears by them. I have a Civic and ride my bike to work. Am I missing something because I don't go off-road like him? I think he is missing out by not cycling.
i love windows that doesn't mean they have good quality apps iam a huge fan of microsoft that doesn't mean these models look good....so bottom line yes windows mobile os is fresh/fast/fluid it is lack in features like heart rate monitor/bio meteric scanner i though they would introduce iris in lumia 940/940xl before iphone and advertise more on these feature but my seeing these models i doubth about everything now iphone will introduce iris and advertise more more more more........windows os also lacks in quality apps its not about quantity its about quality iphone always have best quality apps android is same/near to iphone quality where as windows ahem...hope everything change with windows 10
Will you please stop with this Continium dogshit, please? Have you ever seen anything that works with this Continuum except their own lame disfunctional office crippled apps? Oh yes, they PROMISED that third party devs will write apps for this thing and we just have to WAIT MORE (again).
What are you talking about? Continuum works with all universal Windows 10 apps.
@wcpusr Was that in reply to my one word mention of it? Is that all you got from my post? I'm on the app so you're reply is under mine but possibly not nested properly. If it is, you are the one going on about continuum. I mentioned it by name only, and immediately went on to other items. Then you popped am artery. Chill out
Anyone ever told you function over form. It's like I said before everybody on here bitches about something like for example everyone bitch about the lose of the dedicated camera button and according to those renders Microsoft has added it back but nobody has even said anything about it they move on and bitch about bezel or rounded corners. The truth is if Microsoft change these phones and made the have less bezel and captive buttons and made it out of platinum people like you would still find something to bitch about. Look at what it does. Does the iPhone turn into a pc when connected to a monitor and keyboard. No. Does the iPhone have a 20mp camera no. Does the iPhone have a octacore processor no. Can you drop a iPhone down a flight of stairs or on the concrete without a Case NO. And i know cuz I droped my 640 down a flight of stairs twice. Point is some of you are never satisfied
I'm with you on this one . The beauty of my 635 is that I don't have to but a bulky case on it. Is it wrong to want a flagship that isn't fragile? The solace here is that this type of complaining isn't unique to Mircrosoft. Tons of people are complaining about the Note 5 missing features and how they went for form over function and how slippery the glass back is. Then there is the comments about the Huawei Nexus device. People really don't like that thing.
Yeah, the 6xx series is pretty indestructible!
does i phone turn to pc? no it wont we are buying mobile not pc where as lumia 940 or 940xl turn to pc yes & no because we must buy another device to turn it to pc...it may look like continuum is far better but in reality its just a step head or two steps a head feature......does iphone have 20mp camera? no it dont but it can compare fairly enough with samsung's 16mp moreover 1miuns doesnt prove a thing with many plus...thats how smartpone world works... it doesnt require lot of processor power because it desnt have to compute junk files...so dropping every phone breaks when it dropped correctly iphone might not be durable but touch still works even if glass is shattered completely.......so why people buy flagship devices? status,fashion statement,comfort.....does these above flagship long waited models give status no because status only earned by brand popularity inshort advertise......fashion statement hell no.........comfort hmm windows mobile is beautiful fuild os but lack of quality apps killing platform moreover i personally dont like onscreen keys at least on flagships for windows mobile apps are not complied for onscreen keys because of on screen keys so info hide back of onscreen keys we have to swipe up to hide onscreen keys then do work swipe up to display back onscreen keys extra effort.....slim,light weight/premium models what people want thats reason samsung shifted to premium build quality where as iphone owners want large display so they shifted to large display.......iam pretty sure these models are going to be flop.
Where did you read that Continuum requires another device? It will work with Miracast just fine - You could say the Miracast receiver is another device, but a lot of people have these now (Every Xbox One owner for example) if they are interested in wireless display or not. I got two (My Xbox One and my Roku Stick) without even intending to buy a Miracast receiver.
Thing is, even its thick and have large bezels, its not an excuse with generic looking phone. The general design of this leak image doesn't justify for being a flagship. 640 is better looking than this one for example.
Smartphones are pretty personal devices, so looks does matter even you put case on it (still weird for me to always put case, making devices thick and looks tank). Especially when Lumia is has insiginificant marketshare, It's bad for them to compromise. Function over Form will just add injury. iPhone will sell no matter what, and Samsung too. Lumia needs to work hard, but with these leaks, its like raising a white flag. We've been all waiting for worthy Lumia flagship. Unfortunatelly, this one disappoints and I'm afraid that Lumia will hit hard because of this, its sad really.
Actually it's "form follows function" given I find Windows 10 mobile garbage compared to Windows Phone 8.1 they are following the rule quite nicely.
So because people like this design there opinion is ludicruous and they are a fan? Do you realize how dumb that sounds. Generally you have some excellent posts but because people disagree with your opinions, you are basically acting as if their opinion is stupid.
Nogitsune. Exactly why iphone is popular. It's a fashion accessory. That's what a phone is. You have it with you all the time. Apple is gucci and Microsoft it's walmart brand lol. Lol at all the got girls on dating sites out people in Hollywood. They have iPhone. It's a reflection of who you are. It's why you want that really nice looking sports car or ogle it. The one that is a design masterpiece. You will pay the high premium if you can afford it.
I dont see it that way. The iphone is a "me too" phone, a phone kids get because all there friends have them and it continues into adult hood, and then they leave high school and see that there are other better options out there. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
The iPhone is really popular with the layman too. Those users who aren't really into technology but want a smart phone. Mainly because they hear how amazing they are. I think this doesn't just affect kids in school though, a lot of adults in their 30's, 40's and 50's will never leave the iPhone as it was their first smart phone.
The fact that I never liked the 930 design shows that I'm not just being a fanboy. I like what I like. And I like this better than the 930.
Same here. I like the simple attractive design. I liked my 925 but the first time i dropped it and dented the aluminum i realised metal was a bad choice for a phone material to be made of. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Mate, you DO realize peoples opinions will differ? Stop being a twit.
design is subjective. Case in point I don't mind the design. Learned to wait for in person testing before making decisions too.
They suck according to you. One person out of 7 billion in this world. do you think your opinion is important to others? that it will change their mind if they like it? Stop trying to make everyone hate it because you are no god.
This is basically a 640 with better specs!
Look at the cheap archos phone it looks nice with the rounded corners but to much bezel. It's a cheap device though. Sorry these won't sell. People like real curves. . They need to be priced like the 640xl to sell. Maybe Microsoft is purposefully releasing these hideous things so oems can do the better designs. They said their phones will showcase the tech. Man imagine pulling this out at a party with a mullet. Everyone would think you're MacGyver. Perfect for Halloween. Which is the release time. They look like they are wearing helmets lol. Lumia 830 looks better and that's not even that good looking out a phone compared to iPhone or some nice android ones.
Hideous... Lol.
iPhone gets away with looking same-y each year. Galaxy is the poster child for premium-plain-jane design, imo. These new phones don't look fantastic, imo, nor do they look bad, imo. Over time the looks become less important. The juicy internal specs which are the selling point for me, and I wonder if they are beefed up so they can handle Continuum duty.
People should pay a premium price so they can pay even more for a case that make it look like a premium phone? I'm not really down with the outpouring of bile here, but the basic disappointment is absolutely justifiable (although I think people should wait to see a full reveal before throwing in the towel). Undoubtedly it's not an ugly phone, but it's not how a phone priced like a computer should look in 2015 either. It's just OK. It just "is". And that's a surprise from the new MS, which appeared to be doing so well recently.
The blue one isn't bad, the other one though... I'd still rock one... IF Verizon ever gets them.
That bezel is insulting. Hey Microsoft, read the comments on this page. If you can't sell these people, you're not going to sell anything.
This^^
lol, good point, cant even sell to the already windows and microsoft fans then you are fucked.
Is that the speaker? on the side of the camera?
Incredibly ugly...*sigh*. Another year of unfulfilled promise for Windows Phone.
What promise did they break with these phones exactly?
A flagship phone.
*Looks at specs* Are these not a flagship specs? COme on now, let's not be a petulant child.
How can someone look at the specs when you see a 535 look-a-like phone. I know what you are pertaining to. Specs matter most to me. But not to most people outside our community. I might even get this phone when my local carrier gets it. As I said in a comment in this section, most people base everything on appearance. Look what Jobs did. This is not being peevish or whatsoever. It is just seeing what is outside of our community and how this would impact Microsoft. If the renders were real, most tech journalists would review them as a flagship phone with no appreciation to aesthetics and what would be the impact to Microsoft? Boom. Bad. Since most people tend to bend along the will of these tech journalists, if most of them see that the phone is great inside and so-so on the outside, well you know what I am pertaining to. So let us not be thinking of ourselves and let us stop being a petulant child.
People here were expecting phones with an awesome, good looking design, something like Nokia used to put out. These phones look like something generic and inexpensive.
I think they're byootiful.
You're not seeing the bigger picture. MS wants more partners, so they'll make this phones from now on, this way the partners are going to join in, and will make better looking phones. Those who want beautiful looking phones are going to have to go to the partners, those who are MS fan boys will buy lumias. Genius MS, or maybe they don't have a good design team. :/
So you're saying that Microsoft purposefully made boring looking phones, just so that their partners will want to come in and make something better? You've reached peak apologist level with that comment for sure.
No just to kill WP oh wait it's been.
Then why make Surface so beautiful? If they can make the Surface line so sexy, then they can make the next Flagship a little nice if not as sexy as the SP3..
A long time ago they used to have a great design team in Danger, but they wasted that talent in those dumb-ass Kin phones.
may i ask you where are partners?
Even the Windows Central renders looked better.
I realize that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but it's sad to see such generic & uninspired design for the long awaited flagships. Lumia 920 is so beautiful, 925 & 1520 look great and stand out from the crowd. A thinner 920 style body is my dream phone. Unless the camera on 950 raises the bar, I'm sticking with my 1520. Proud to be one of the few 1520 owners in Canada. A brilliant device.
I cant even say I like one more than the other. They both look so cheap.
The beautiful Nokia design language is gone, these are generic looking candy bar shaped phones.
How on earth do these differ fra the Nokia ones..? They look 99% the same. Well except they wont be the heaviest and thickest phones around which was a Nokia trademark...
That's because the all so genious 'Nutella' fired all Nokia's talent. A step backwards every day that passes
The design of the phone was pretty much done by Nokia. Not sure why people want to have revisionist history.
Hardware is matching the OS nicely then :p
I agree
Completely agree. They keep recycling the tired Lumia design that hasn't been updated since the Lumia 800. And I really wish they'd get off of the polycarbonate. Here's hoping that a Surface phone will be the surprise with an attractive look.
I don't want to lose the polycarbonate in favor of aluminium because aluminium makes signal even worse.
Polycarbonate sucks.
Design is not good. Ugly, haphazard, chaotic and indecisive. I will get one though.
Can't agree more .. Couldn't find an attractive Windows Phone post Lumia 925 .. Somewhat close is Lumia 830 ..
Exactly. MS said these will be costlier than the iphone6. And this is what they could come with. -_-
Wish Pranos Panay(surface) made those things.
Hmmm ya those are pretty ugly. Especially next to an iPhone or S6 Edge. I expected more from Microsoft. Hopefully these are just fakes. Those don't stand out at all.
920 design ftw. Diggin the blue though.
Yeah.. Camera hump is a turn off
What makes it ugly is its position. Unlike the 830, which also has a camera hump, the disk here is way up. Also, that big Windows logo is too distracting.
Why... what makes them ugly? =/
Comparison, I guess. There are phones on the market that command more of an instant "wow" factor, and to an extent the last year or so of fake concepts has poisoned this issue too (some which looked nicer than these, but hey, that's what fantasy does!). A lot of the most fervent fans aren't just thinking about a nice phone for themselves. They want a world-beating phone that vindicates them for being on Team Windows Phone all of these years.
@desitunez:
If anyone needed further evidence that Satya Noodella is running Microsoft's phone business into the ground, I present you: Evidence A.
The nicest design for a Windows Phone remains the Lumia 800 (in cyan, natch).
The problem is dat screen. Not everyone wants such a big thing in their hands or pockets. From 5.2 - 5.7 there's toolittle difference, they should have done some 4.5 and 5.7
Exactly... 5.2" is disappointing... 4.3-4.7" is ideal. Make it 4.5 and 6 to keep everyone happy!
you're right....they are just plain ugly. Waiting 2 years for this...I'm pissed man.
Wouldn't it be nice if it looked like this : http://ittrend.am/wp-content/uploads/Nokia-Lumia-950-Atlantis-1.jpg
Yup I agree. They're ugly
Why rounded corners?? why?
You know, the renders have WP8.1 on them, no? Not official/fake? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
They're not ugly. They're just... meh. I can't believe we waited two years for this glorified "640 with a camera hump." Clearly, Microsoft has given up on Windows Phone.
Even I was wondering , are they lumia's or they are some 3rd class brand's?
Does it matter when most people will slap an ugly protector to it anyways?
Looks like a bigger 640. Thought it would've looked more like the 830 or 930.
I will NOT buy any phone with a bezel this thick. It's super ugly, I sure hope these are NOT the flagships... It's 2015, we need bezel-less phones!!!
keep dreaming
Clearly you can't please everyone. If you could, I would probably still be an iPhone user. Glad I am not!
Very disappointed with these designs. I broke my 925 not too long ago and couldn't find any T-Mo store that sold the 640(You have to buy it online). I ended up buying a used 925 from Ebay. I thought there were mentiones before that they would take a queue from the 830, but it doesn't seem to be the case. @daniel_rubino wrote this article last year. "Microsoft should make a Lumia 925 successor now before it is too late"
http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-should-make-lumia-925-successor-... I LOVE the 925 and think it's the BEST looking device made thus far. M8 comes number two for me as far as looks. I also love Windows Phone as well, but at the end of the day the FACT of the matter is we are all FANBOYS. Just admit. I don't want an iPhone or and Android device. I'm happy and comfortable with Windows Phone, BUT!!!!!! Once again we are FANS and rightfully so, because Windows Phone OS is AWESOME!!!!!! That's why we visit this site, own a Windows Phone and PROMOTE the OS, BUT!!!!!!!! IT'S NOT ABOUT US!!!!! WE are NOT enough to keep this thing floating! WE NEED more market share and MORE users or else there might come a time where we'll have NO CHOICE about owning a Windows Phone device. It doesn't matter what we think? Will others like the phone? I DOUBT it. Weneed to appeal to the MASSES and get more people on board. Pretty devices HELP that to happen. We've pretty much been waiting patiently/impatiently and are now mostly disappointed. This DOESN'T help our cause. This doesn't help the platform! AND I DON'T CARE IF PEOPLE THINK I'M COMPLAINING, BITCHING, MOANING, ETC... I want the Windows Phone platform to win and unfortunately this isn't cutting. #disappointed
I would not say it is ugly but kind of dated look for a flagship compare to the rest of competition. Have to see it in person to offer a better opinion!
I agree.
If these renders are accurate, I'll be holding out for a surface phone in the 1st half of next year. I obviously have no knowledge of such a phone but I have to believe that we're going to see something special in the first quarter of next year because what we see before us is certainly NOT special.
I literally have no idea what you guys are talking about. The mobiles look great, the specs are on point (besides screen-size being a tad too big), and it looks like an insta-buy for me.
+830
Yes the new design is absolutely shit... The 925 was the best!!!
I'm a function over form person. As long as it works as inteded. I'll be happy.
I agree with you. The design is not attractive while there are a device like Samsung Edge
all brands look the same nowadays
Looking at the comments here: Oh man, you folks have developed some very subtle preferences. I mean, how "ugly" can a black rectangle with a screen be when compared to some other black rectangle. People actually look closely at your phone? What the heck?
Yeah, they are gay, like the number of likes your comments has (69).
let's just hope the real thing will be more beautiful than the photos... :3
These were right, and now everyone loves them
Ehh. If they work and get the job done I guess I'll buy lol.
This is why Windows Phone/Mobile doesn't succeed. Those of us buying the devices are basically just, "well, at least it's not Apple or Google's stuff." Those who aren't pro-Microsoft just see these ugly phones that lack apps and scoff. Me, I'll have to be disappointed with a 950, if AT&T really won't get the XL. If I'm lucky, the 950 is the top device in those images, because that bottom one might be the ugliest thing I've ever seen out of a phone.
How did you get your paraphrase from Eli's post? I am bored of iPhone and enjoy the look and feel of this OS. The apps that people are so addicted to that they can't live without is no different than you thinking your local coffee place has better coffee than mine: I beg to differ and haven't even tried yours and you haven't tried mine. Except that I've tried iOS and Android and don't care for them. I've got an S5, S6 Edge (both work phones) and an Icon running Windows 10 mobile. I get my iOS fix through my iPad. I'm not running WP as my main device because "well, at least it's not Apple or Google's stuff." I prefer Windows because I think it's better in several ways. Yes the bottom one is kinda ugly.
I don't like coffee, and I don't even know of any local coffee places that aren't chains. I know it's just an analogy, but it's a poor one for me, haha. That aside, I'm not necessarily different than you. I never tried iOS first-hand, but the times I've encountered it on others' devices, I didn't like any part of it. I'm not an app-driven person, when it comes to phone use. I don't really play games, and I have all but one app I want on Windows Phone (Trillian as the exception). I HAVE tried Android, and it was OK, but not for me. The idea that I have to root a phone to make it functionally sound bothers me. I could do it, but my phone isn't supposed to be meant to need constant attention or a bucnh of work to be good. Why I took Eli's point the way I did is because it's how I feel--these phones are really ugly (the bottom one is objectively ugly--if someone thinks it looks good, that is simply a wrong opinion). However, they JUST get above the "flagship" floor, giving us just enough to say that there are high-end Windows Mobile devices on the market. We want those, and these just land within those parameters. It's meant to outright say, "at least it's not Apple/Google," it's meant to say, as a whole, "it's what we want, at the very minimum." It just sucks that Microsoft has taken 15 steps back with Windows 10 Mobile (in my WP 8.1 and W10M preview experiences). How it is they managed to screw up so many things is beyond me.
Thanks for explaining your point of view thoroughly. I still feel a little differently but you are right, we are not all that different. I definitely agree on the necessity to root Android to get all you want out of it. The stock Android design doesn't cut it, and the fact that root is required to get rid of most if the crap they install is silly. I Luke the customization I get through Windows phone but within the parameters MS set with the Start screen. Anyway, thanks again and I liked your refutation of the coffee shop analogy. I LOL'd. The points you made regarding the just above flagship status of these devices is a sound one. I still hope MS takes these seriously and these renders are just that, renders. I'm holding out hope that the quality out of the Surface team is an indication of what we will see regarding flagship phones. These renders don't show that at all, but I was impressed with the 900 Series early on, and the 930 and 1520 tell me that MS can and will do better with their next effort on WP. #nofanboy
I don't know, it's hard to say what I think happens going forward, because so much is personal preference with design. For example, I think that the Surface Pro 3 is a good-looking device, except that the light metal body looks totally gross to me. So, on the one hand, the Surface team builds good, sturday devices that manage a minimalist and functionally rich design, but then they throw an ugly coat of paint on that same design. Meanwhile, Microsoft's software design team just keeps throwing more and more manure onto Windows, from the pop-out menus to the mess of Groove Music to an Xbox One UI that seems like it could end up more disjointed than it already is to the messy Outlook mail/calendar stuff. Microsoft's made strides in a lot of stuff, but it keeps taking steps back in a lot of places. The hardware's been good, the core software's been good, they just seem to suck at presentation, for whatever reason. How they've turned their music software from something that was fast, intuitive, and clean with WP8 to the monstrosity that is Groove Music continues to baffle and irritate me because the music player is probably my most-used app on my 920.
Yeah, they did a 180 turn from Zune and WP8 for some reason and it angers me. I'm actually liking Groove so far, but disjointed is absolutely the right word to describe the way that the OS had been coming together As a whole. They really need to stop copying others and refine their initial vision of Zune/WP8. Same with their hardware... They bought Nokia... How do you buy a premier handset maker and drop the ball?
Really? I don't get how you can like Groove Music, given: --No live tile functionality (at least in W10M right now) --Loss of gesture-based navigation (stupid pop-out menus) --Now Playing persistent throughout the app, covering the last item on a page. --No "Song" view for individual artists (as smoeone who likes to listen to one artist at a time, and pick a specific song in the process, I'm quite mad about this development). --No artist-on-lockscreen functionality (broken since they uncoupled Xbox Music from the OS level, if I remember correctly) --Still slow to load in new music (though faster than the last Xbox Music iteration with an existing library). --Defaults to Now Playing, even though I'm often going into the app to change artists (again, I'm an artist-driven listener, so this is highly inconvenient). I honestly can't think of a single improvement from the WP8 Xbox Music app to the Groove Music one.
I've got a live tile. But I miss the scrolling artist text/music logo. Gestures are there for skipping through tracks and revealing the playlist bit that's it. I think pivots should return as well. I like the now playing, but wish it were a mini player on the lock screen or notification panel. I never noticed there was no song view. You can tap "Play all" to create a playlist of all songs for that artist with one touch, but you shouldn't have to do that. I've got no slowness issues at the moment. All in all I agree that Groove is currently not as good as the old player, but it's far from unusable for me. I use it every day(my most used app). Microsoft needs to step it up, I've not been completely satisfied with Groove but it's pretty cool so far.
Oh, I'm the same. It's my most-used app, and while it's not unusable, it's a frustrating thing to use. Here is how things changed: Xbox Music: 1. Open app 2. Hit "artists" 3. Select desired artist. 4. Swipe to "songs" tab. 5. Choose song. (if I didn't want a specific song, it only took 3 steps). Now: 1. Open app 2. Hit pop-out button. 3. Hit "artists" 4. Start playlist for artist. 5. Hit the bottom arrow (to bring up Now Playing). 6. Select desired song. 7. Hit "shuffle" twice (because you have to reshuffle the songs so you don't pass over all of the other Now Playing songs you scrolled through to get to the desired song). Something that was 3 or 5 actions is now 4 or 7, and it can take twice as long to find what I want. Things are just positioned terribly. Oh, and the slowness is only after a big sync. When I first got W10M on my phone, I put about 900 songs on. It didn't take as long to sync as the last iteration of Xbox Music, but it used to be instantaneous with WP8.
Mr. Wallace, I think you should get on a plane to Redmond, kick in the door and explain all of this in detail! I have an 8X with Windows Phone 8(not 8.1!) on it still and yeah, I've gone back and noticed some of the inefficiencies brought on by the 8.1 update and removal from the OS, so I definitely feel your frustration on this update. I just recently gave up my Zune pass but still long for that interface or something closer to it. Thanks for pointing out some of the newer ones issues. I've personally just gotten used to it and didn't notice. Just tried to find workarounds to make it easier. I guess I should complain more. If I wanted workarounds, I'd just move to Android!
Lets not forget no music pass support - which is how I used to consume music!!! I'm hoping there is a fix/new build rolled out in the next week or so as I'll have to move back to WP8.1
This is the only reason I'm not an insider.
Exactly, Keith W.!!!... Blind fanbois... SMDH.
I'm really starting not to like you because you say "SMDH" literally every comment and it's really annoying and ignorant of you at this point.
This came to my e-mail as if it were a reply to something I psoted. As I've never typed that acronym, I was thoroughly confused. However, I will say that using an acronym repeatedly really only shows laziness, not necessarily ignorance. The same could easily be said for contractions though, I suppose.
It's something that POC type a lot, and I agree that it really is irritating.
...you call out others for typing acronyms, then type some random one I've never heard of? Funny that now I don't know who you're talking because YOUR acronym confused me.
What's a POC?
You do realize there are mor OEMs right...Meaning if they dont like this, they can likely get a Samsung or a HTC(both which i find lame/pathetic but to each their own). Furthermore, the fans Microsoft has is the reason it is still moderately relevant. I personally am one because at least it is not google/apple because I dont want Windows to become a Me Too OS. I want it to have a unique featureset adn design and I am not 100 percent HAPPY with the Lumias but if these phones perform great at the end of the day, I coudl care less what it looks like. Becuase i am not superficial. People were happy with Samsung cheap plastic for years...
Samsung and HTC making a new flagship for Windows 10 mobile phone.. You have way fucking high hopes..
I am sure HTC will throw out some random BS liek they usually do.
Look at onedrive app and photos app. Try to find settings. See a huge discrepancy? The ugly designs with no fluidity. You will pay for the phone and get a free game called "find the settings".
Who said we don't have any games or apps? That's an exclusive right there baby! (I'm kidding though... Androids removal of the menu key makes settings a hard to reach item in the notification panel vs Menu key>Settings)
Still look better than a HTC and Samsung lmao
No they don't. They look like 5XX series. I hope these are fake...
Lmao....not
Oh yeah...this looks so much better than the S6 Edge...definitely... /s
DJCBS... To a blind fan nothing else could ever be better... Do you see what's happened tothe WP community???..... No different than anyone else.... Now.
I am a blind fanboy because I prefer Lumia designs to HTC?; I wish they would have followed the 930/1520 but i will still be one of the first people buying one of these when that time comes becuase I care about the TECH inside it not how it looks, especially when many of these people bitching are the same ones who will be using a case on the phone lol.
All the Samsung phones look ugly to me. People still buy them.
But I don't think they buy it for the looks, they buy it cuz android... and hive mind...
This is to you. However, for many people, "Everything is judged by its appearance; what is unseen counts for nothing." - 48 Laws of Power, by Robert Greene. This would be a problem for Microsoft if this render is real.
Blind phanbhoi.... since s6 to note 5 samsung is above all in design... even apple fanboys like theverge and cnet had to surrender.... dont be blind Posted via the Windows Central App
I am not a blind phanboi.....lmfao this is coming from someone using android so i dont know why i am defending myself.
Just curious. What phone are you using now? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Me? I am switchign between the 640 XL and 640 as my main phone and i am tryiing to convince my dad to let me get his 930 since he is unfortunately usign an HTC M8 windows now
I think I'll just grab a black and gold lumia 930 instead of this one.
Enjoy your awful battery life.
Or the 1520. I have plenty of choices. They also come at a bargain price! :D
The M8/M9 is a really good looking phone. Better than most Nokia designed phones even and I say this as a Nokia user.
Now if only the m8 would have had an Nokia camera.
Yeah calling BS on that.
Design is subjective .... That said, I think you need glasses
Design is subjective, but if you read the comments you do notice that there is a common openion on these.
People that like them just say 'cool' and go about their day. Those that don't will belly-ache and whine endlessly (whether rightly or wrongly). The same thing happens with customer service and product reviews - you will hear more from the people who hated something rather than loved it. I just think it's stupid to complain when these are leaked renders, not even guaranteed to be anything like the final form.
Go home, you're drunk.
They look better than the HTC One? Ehhh no.
I don't care what the haters say, I like the design. And true Microsoft users know it's what it can do that really counts, looks are just an added benefit. But I think it looks good :).
Wow. I love that in the renders, the buttons match the Microsoft symbol color. Silver just looks nice. Also interesting that there's different placements of the front camera on both, along with other things.
Good point. I had heard (on Windows Weekly?) that the power button would be in the middle of the vol up and vol down buttons, as is the case in the top render. The bottom render still looks like the same configuration as the current models.
WOW.. F'in ugly, looks cheap. I-phone 6S here I come... Damn I tried holding out for more then two years (L920) but Ive had it.
And the 920 looked better in comparison???? I had one, clunky and ugly. This doesn't look that bad when comparing to the 920.
Put down the crack pipe. These renders are garbage.
It may be clunky but I've had many people praise the look of my yellow 920 (and still do in 2015).
Don't know about you, but the 920 had great design. It was beautiful and durable. A little chunky to be sure, but the heft was very well balanced and let you know that you had a solid device. Heck, my S6 Active is not all that much lighter than the 920, and my work iPhone feels like a useless little toy phone.
I miss having 'real' devices. Things need to stop slimming down, and bring things like longer battery life and better heat dissipation to the table.
The 920 was beautiful, your opinion sucks.
These look only slightly better than the 920 if only because they're taller and thinner. I agree the 920 looked awful.
Lol rage quit on a leaked render that's unofficial hahahha
Right? I'm looking forward to some of them seeing the actual phone and change to say, "Ooh I want!"
If that is true, I'll be the first one to say that. :D
Haha yeah its pretty ridiculous. I love your summary of the shenanigans as well.
I debated whether or not I was going to type a similar response. Thanks for doing it for me.
Right on
The 950 in cyan shall be mine. I could think back to my Lumia 900 days
Wow, how innovative these designs are!!! Keep going MS, you'll reach 2% of market share in five years this way...
2%? They'll probably be there by the end of 2016 at this pace.
Says nokia fan...ironic
He is pretty anti-windows phone so it is not suprising.
Lol.. Right..
Forgot /s I guess.
Underwhelmed... Uninspired. I hope it's one of those devices that look better in person. Excited for a couple of high end wp either way. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Wow. Ugly. After all this time, this is what I'll have availalbe to upgrade my 920 to... great.
Like 920 was all metal! You need to go back to day first and think, why Lumia was called Lumia. Sorry, MS isn't giving you an iPhone clone. Deal with this.
I should of held on to my L920 and not get a contracted L830...
Looks real, virtually
These look more like Lumia 640 successors than flagships. Still want one though
I'm using a 640XL now. If the 950XL is similar with better hardware I'll be interested.
So much negativity based on a few pics of what the phones might look like. I'll hold final judgement until I can get my hands on one and see what is like in person. I've also got an iPhone 6 Plus, it's nothing special. Very nice but not as great as apple have the world believing.
Agreed, I have a Lumia 1520 and a Lumia 640XL. I prefer the look and feel of the 640XL over the 1520, I only use the 1520 still, because of the better hardware. I bought the 640XL to use as a deidcated Hotspot for mya only line and I am more than happy with it's design and build quality. It doesn'feel like a $200 phone at all.
+640 XL
640 XL doesn't look good in pictures, but it looks amazing in person. Loving mine.
A new 640 XL user here! :) A very nice device, although I miss a physical camera button from my former phone, 920.
Mee too! I'm very impressed by its camera. Even my sister's note 4 don't take pictures that good compare to 640 XL. Samsung camera just don't give true colors.
Those Windows Central renders look a billion times better than this crap. It doesn't look like a premium phone, FFS. If that is all they've got, nothing is going to change for W10M.
Those phone looks ugly, especially with the on screen keyboard. the ones from windows central looks so much better. Check out the links http://www.windowscentral.com/lumia-950-xl-cityman-fan-renders.
Ya, its all in the rounded corners. The WC ones have much smaller rounded corners. These new renders have an indecisive side that's neither small nor large, so it just looks boring/confused. I hope the real phones look better.
Any news/leak on the surface phone?
Toooo worst looking flagship mobile ever seen
Agree... Looks cheap.
It lost the premium feel.
If you look at the renders the buttons on the side don't look the same on 2 models wtf??
Those bezels are screaming for some stereo front facing speakers!
Indeed.
I just think "high end" phones should not have removable battery, they look cheap
It's like these phones were designed during a drinking contest or something. Why the hell does the bottom device keep the traditional physical button setup, with the rocker on the top, while the top device has a nonsensical layout where the power button is between the volume buttons, as if Microsoft went into this trying to make volume adjustment confusing and difficult? Meanwhile, there's some inexplicable silver crap surrounding the bottom device's camera, just because. I'd also think it better to have a non-angled Windows logo. A flat, straight-on icon on the back of the phone would look better, while the tilted one would look fine as the home button, as it does now. Seriously, just the worst pair of designs that could have been thought up. "Let's make one impractical to use by splitting up the volume buttons, and we'll make the other's backside such an eyesore it causes onlookers to actually vomit!" Man, I hope this guy's the wrongest wrong anyone's ever wronged, because this is some serious disappointment.
Why not?
Why not what? That's not a complete thought.
I agree...
Seriously, it's like they drew their inspirations from every ugly phone every manufacturer ever made and then combined then into one. I sincerely hope the Surface team gets to design a phone. This one looks cartoonish.
Yeah, I'm genuinely torn about what I'm going to do. I've been DYING to replace my 920. I skipped the 1520 because of the canceled McLaren, and then the never-to-reach-AT&T 930, so I'm nearing 3 years on this thing, simply because there hasn't been a replacement for me to get in some time. These things are hideous, and I'm curious about the Intel-powered stuff, especially if it lets you pair x86 apps with Continuum. I might have to go with a budget device for the start of W10, then get an Intel-powered device later. If they announce a later-released Intel device, and AT&T doesn't get the 950 XL, I might just opt to wait. I'd like to have the stylus support and high-end hardware of the 950 XL, while the 950 is basically the bare-minimum for a flagship phone, and in a potentially ugly body.
With the progress (should it be called a progress?) Microsoft has done, you will hold on to your 920 for the rest of your life.
Sadly, WP8's in such a dead and dying state that it's not an option. It just sucks that Microsoft is supposed to be pro-enterprise, but can't handle basic things like e-mail and calendars anymore. They're a cluttered turd in W10M, and yet they're still 10 times better than Groove Music, the worst music player Microsoft's ever released.
For me I'll just grab a gold Lumia 930 and that would be my last Windows Phone I guess. Not hoping for the Intel phone. Might just look like this or the 640/640XL. The phone lost the flagship premium feel.
In fairness, the only thing that really feels "premium" with my 920 is the weight. It's a similar chassis, and it's kind of awkward to look at. Luckily, you can throw a case on an ugly phone to make it better, haha. But if you're aiming for a gold 930, then our aesthetic agreements have ended. That's quite possibly the ugliest phone I've ever seen, even worse than that black-and-silver monstrosity at the bottom of this article.
It's okay. Everyone is entitled to one's opinion. No hard feelings mate.
The 930 is an excellent phone. In fact, if the new "flagship" looks like this I'm just keeping the 930. It runs really smoothly on 8.1 and I'm expecting it to be better on W10. I actually have more interest in updating my SP3 to an SP4 if they make it 14", as rumoured. And the 930 and SP4 combo will last for a year or two......till they get their act together on phone design.
The Lumia 930 I picked recently runs Windows 10 Insider Preview very very well. My Lumia 1020 was struggling with it at times (Probably something that will iron out for release even with older phones like the 1020). Looking forward to how well the Lumia 930 runs the final version when it's released later this year.
I was going to get the 950XL, but I picked up a Lumia 930 at a reasonable price as an upgrade to my Lumia 1020. It's a lot faster and has access to a number of newer features I missed out on with the 1020. It has flaws like the poor speaker position and no glance, but things I can live with for the better performance. I'll probably stick to SIM only deals going forward and see what happens next year with Microsoft's Phones. I'm really hoping more companies announce some Windows 10 Phones coming next year, it would be great to see a revival and some competition. I've not considered anything other than a Lumia since the Lumia 800 was released because there was never anything better than the phones Nokia were releasing. My decision to wait isn't based just on these renders. I just decided that I want to see how things like Continuum pan out, and also to see if it is even available as a feature on the phones launch. It's possible the feature gets pushed back to a later build of Windows 10
Yep.
And I'd rather have the removable batteries.
It says in the spec rundown for these that BOTH have removable batteries. It's been a known thing for a few months, I'm pretty sure. I don't get your complaint. You'd rather have them than what? You have them.
Forgot the design of 830...? Its the best Lumia to design with removable battery and rest casing
Except that metal band is hideous. Any aesthetics positives that the 830 held were wrecked by the budget-class SoC inside of it. That might have been the worst mobile device released in Microsoft history, because even the Kin was pushed as an entry-level phone, where as the 830 was pushed as a device worthy of the "flagship" label, despite barely being better than the 820 that came out 2 years prior.
That's apple cool-aid talk. You probably think they shouldn't have expandable memory too.
Who are you talking to, and about what?
I totally agree with you!
Disappointed
Damn.. These are so UGLY... The renders from earlier were better than this: http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-cityman-and-talkmans-official-renders-g... Also, as per the renders the corners were sharp and this picture says something else. It could be that these are 840 models.
Good grief, that is ugly! What did they do to it?!
that volume & power button placement on the blue one looks weird Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
That is what I thought - like the volume up/down is outside the power button. Quite different from the standard.
It makes sense since that is the XL it would be a stretch to hit the power key placed the other way
Screen shots should be easier as you might be able to hit power+ volume with just your thumb
like seriously!!! everything was working fine! WWWHOOOO changed these!!!
I never thought about leaving WP when purchased 930 about a year ago, apple never interested me and android always thought that the lag and the security would never having me look at their devices...but after seeing my next flagship, my next OS is being shappen and keeping sending feedback for it, and having in my hands the s6 edge plus, i gotta say...that gorgous phone will be my next phone...
Yeah, that phone is downright sexy, too bad it's running Android.
Ill buy it...my first android experience since i've always been with nokia...i hope i find a way to keep msft eco in it and use their services...(maybe i get a surprise and they work better on there xD)...s6 edge plus just got me drowling and everything was so responsive and fast and gorgous and fast and beautiful and no sutter or lag and premium and...bah...worst that can happen is me skipping the maturing process of wp but after the time i waited and the effort i have been having feedabcking all i could, i think ill be ok =D
I love the design of my One M8 but the design of the S6 Edge is outstanding and puts my phone to shame. The design of these Lumias and aren't even in the ballpark of the original ATIV S.
I'm with you on this. I'm always wavering between Windows phone and Android and whenever I venture over to Android I always get drawn back over to Windows phone. Even though I've had hardware issues with 3 Lumia 920 and three Lumia 930 (all had that proximity issue with screen staying black on call) I've stuck with it. Always enjoyed the tile interface over Android. However, I'm running Windows 10 preview on my Lumia 930 and whilst I quite like some of the direction they are taking and the promise of more universal apps and potential for easier app development from Android / IOS I picked up the Galaxy s6 edge plus and thought, yep that's my next phone. Microsoft has done an excellent job of providing their services cross platform now too. I have an Android tablet and all the office apps work great, aswell the MSN, music services and Xbox services. It would not surprise me if once they've sorted the new Windows phones to stream Xbox over to them, which will no doubt be used as a great marketing tool, that they open this up to Android and IOS aswell. Why wouldn't they? Everything else is pretty much there. I hope they release a really classy looking phone but judging by these renders it doesn't scream premium, but I've no doubt it will obviously have the specs of premium. I've given my feedback on the preview for phones and look forward to seeing how Windows 10 develops, particularly for phones. Hopefully the likes of Samsung and Lg will start putting flagships out. Samsung are already promoting with Microsoft the Microsoft offerings with 100gb of extra Onedrive storage and shortcuts to download apps. Soon they could go all out Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
The windows central renders did look better. What's the significance of the 1mm silver ring?
Is that a front facing flash?
I want the 950 XL more than anything haha.
Where is the full metal body?
Where dis you get that from?
I don't think it was ever rumored to have a metal body. All I've been hearing is polycarbonate.
Full metal body would be more expensive for Microsoft, and considering how poorly their past flagships have sold, they probably didn't see the point.
Fake, I thought they weren't going to have dedicated camera button???
They are
I for one hope it's not fake. I love having the camera button.
Dan had mentioned a while ago that high end Lumias get camera buttons while low and mid tier won't.
Pureview = Camera button
Talkman for me. Day one its released. Love the 640, but it was just a placeholder for the summer...
I tried to get the 640 as a stopgap between my 1020 (now over 2 years old and dropping text messages) and the new lumias but the camera was just too damn bad by comparison to my 1020.
Cityman here. Picked up a 640XL to get into the ecosystem and try W10 out, so far I'm liking it a lot after nearly 10 years with iOS. My iPhone 6 PLus is sitting on the coffee table getting next to no love. I only pick it up for a couple of games that aren't on WP, yet. If the 950XL is generally the same as the 640XL with the beefed up hardware, better camera, slightly different look (doesn't have to be aradically diffrent design IMO), and at a decent price, I won't complain. I really like the 640XL for what it is.
I was seriously considering getting the iPhone 6S, but now this came out!! Cue many more sleepless nights :)
These look cheap. Was hoping to replace my premium looking 930. Why did they not bother with the metal around the edges? Don't think I'll bother getting one of these and see what HTC has to offer with the M10.
Fucking this. My 930 is the most beutiful phone ever, those renders look like crap (the real pic is even worse). Just look at those HUGE bezels. Seriously, WTF MS?
The on screen buttons make it look like the bezel is a lot bigger than it is
I know, still too big.
The fact that they could fit capacitive buttons into the bezel that is available means the bezel is too big.
No it is not. There shold be some space below buttons. Just stop talking shit if you are not using a phone like this.
See Z3+ desing
I think these look great. But Since the covers are removable they will be easy to customize. Hopefully we'll get some cool looking covers from microsoft.
Hopefully they release some 3D Printer designs so people can make their own. Nokia did something similar at one point
Crossed fingers that we get a M10 with Windows (and in close proximity to the release of the android one) and not the M9.
Hideous
It's nice to see how much love there is for these phones in this particular comment section (none). But that's okay, I think they look quite nice. I would be proud to carry either one of these phones.
Seriously??? Soooo disappointed!! MS screwed it up again... They look cheap and when I say cheap, I say 2012 cheap... There is nothing positive I can say about them. Any chance they are fakes??
Yes. There's a good chance these aren't what MS are releasing. Even the article says "alleged". Until MS officially announces something, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.
I presume no one reads the text......
So i quote the last lines. As with all leaks of this nature, take these with the requisite grain of salt. We'll have to wait and see just what Microsoft announces this Fall, but things are starting to look mighty interesting.
C'mon dude, you know people look at the pictures and go straight to the comments ;)
ROTFL you got that right.
I understand that reliable sources have tweeted they believe these are correct!
Hopefully the 950 XL will work with T-Mobile unlocked if it's not available on T-Mobile.
They look like the Icon
Where is the rumor-meter scale?
Can you guys post your renders please. This don't look like the renders posted a while back. These are terrible! Your renders were pretty good looking devices.
I don't think the original renders were correct. They had capacitive buttons, but recent leaked photos show on screen buttons, so I think these newer ones are the most accurate (unfortunately).
This is everything I could've have wanted in a phone. I love my 635 because when I drop it I don't have to worry about it because I can replace the plastic back. My Note 4 I have in a case because I'm so worried about dropping that thing and messing up the metal sides. So I have this nice looking phone but I have to add bulk to it with the case. I guess I want my device to more practical.
Worst flagship design I think I ever seen, what the heck is this ?... I'm not buying it
The oneplus phones are the worst. I think this looks great honestly. I don't see why people are complaining.
I got OnePlus One and OnePlus 2 right now and I think you are wrong. If these are indeed the final design of 950/XL then these two will become the worst phones in looks.
At least have qi-built in on the reg L950 don't have another L1520 dilemma...
The idea of having No regular built-in Qi charging in Lumia 940 is so lame.
It's sad how much emphasis you people put on how the phones look. The phones could be phenomenal, but you've already written them off because they look like my LG G2. Microsoft could do what other companies are doing and use unnecessary materials (sometimes to the detriment of the phone/user experience), but what is the point in that? If the phones perform well, I'm still interested. That's the only rational outlook. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Sad? If I pay 700€ for a freakin' phone, I expect it to look like a 700€ phone, not like a Lumia 640 which you can get for less than 150€.
So did you see the phone? Nice.
So you'd prefer that the phone was built with more expensive materials that increase the price of the phone and offer less durability while adding no benefit whatsoever to the phone aside from a subjective cosmetic benefit whose novelty will eventually wear off anyway? Also, where did you find the official price of these phones? I haven't seen them. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
I'm saying the phone could be made to look premium with the right mix of polycarbonate and metal and still don't look like a freaking sub 150$ phone.
In that case get an Iphone 6 then with Lumia 640 Specs.
FAKE!! PLEASE BE FAKE!!!
I'm also thinking that way. Coz man, my 1520's screen is super cracked yet I'm still using it. I'm saving my money for the next flagship. If this is true, then hello iphone6s plus for me.
They look horrible. Also it is completely out of order to put software navigation keys on a premium phone. Totally unacceptable. It should have capacitive keys.
NICE looking phones except that silver ring around the camera, though the specs are still a bit low to be seen to be competing with the crappy android (even though they really aren't). Idiots will always look at specs and go for the biggest numbers.
Uh no... The specs are on par or better than Android flagships. What are you talking about?
Apple even with lower specs can still blow away. I'm always astounded by the apple camera. Perhaps it may not beat all the IQ benchmarks but it gets the shots and gets them quickly and consistently.
The specs are kind of on par with Android flagships right now, but in a matter of months Androids wil have SD820's and even more bleeding edge specs.
There is a chance that this ring will be metal with concentric rings, that would look great.
I waited two plus years (L920) to get a flagship phone from Microsoft, even when my screen cracked a few months ago I bought a BLU Win HD LTE to hold me over and this is what they come up with. This phone from the front looks just like a Lumia 640 or an 830, there is nothing distinctive about it. When I look at the Galaxy S6 Edge, that phone looks sexy, this just looks like another boring refresh of their existing design. They need to come up with some new designs cause I'm tired of these same looking phone. It's 2015 and they're still using the same design from 2010. Maybe with Panos Panay in charge of hardware engineering, we'll get some well designed new phones. Guess I'll hold onto my BLU Win HD LTE untill I see what the Surface phone looks likes. This really sucks... LOL.
Yeah, been eyeing that S6 Edge... If only I could install W10 on that
I'm getting the juggernaut anyways!!
This is photo shopped
I think they photoshopped the screen but the renders look quite real to me.
Very very vert ugly ughhhhhhhh
I aesthetically dislike the "Microsoft" logo on all Lumias.
Agreed. Biggest mistake (of many) microsoft ever made was dropping the Nokia brand from their phones.
Didn't all of the initial leaks mention aluminum around the edge??? Am I crazy of was that a rumor/leak recently?
I'm pretty sure it was. It will be very dissapointing not to have a metal frame.
Smooth rounded metal frames, like xperia Z3+ would be nice
I think it looks great... But which one is which?
I guess the blue one is Talkman, and the Black one is Cityman, but yours is a good question. It's hard to tell as the pics are the same size.
The blue one is the XL
Apparently nokia/microsoft didn't read any of the HTC reviews dogging on that stair-stepped glass bezel. WTF. No wonder they canned Elop. Hopefully Panay canned these designs for at least gave them an exterior makeover.
Hope so ...
Me too....
Panos FTW.
It is getting harder and harder to be a WP faithful.
I can't agree more... I'm a WP fan since day one (November 2010) but now, I'm so disappointed about w10 mobile... And now those ugly flagships... Seriously...
You use flagship phones without a case? Good luck if you drop them. This is probably a prototype anyways.
Please leave.
EXACTLY. I keep making excuses for them, but they keep proving that they have no interest in offering a competitive value? Can anyone tell me why this would be a smarter buy than, say, a Moto X Pure? That phone starts at $400! zoinks MS!!
I agree. Shut them blind fan boys.
Let it be fake! Please! These phones look fugly!
The big aluminum ring on the black one (950?) reminds me of the Sony Ericsson CyberShot phones from back in the day.
Are those Stereo Speakers on the back of the blue one?
Anyway, design wise, they seems to be a continuation of the 930/830 design language... Minus the thick aluminum frame ... Not gorgeous but still cool. I like the silver Windows logo ... It better be made of metal though.
Now regarding the Continuum dock, one of the plugged cables appears to be a USB peripheral, is the other one an HDMI?
USB to keyboard HDMI to display
Ugly :D buttons on display!
I like the talkman specs Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Guess I’ll be holding out for the 840/850.
Tragic just tragic
They must have fired the designers from Nokia and hired some bum off the streets!
:) :)
I pray these are fake. Otherwise, my entire family w/ our launch L920's will continue to wait for the Surface phone.
Wow, seems to be the consensus here on these renders look ugly. I agree to an extent though. All this time now they could have come up with a wow design.
Trust me, the haters commenting here don't represent the majority.
I really don't like the design. The Black one is hideous on the back. Eww... If win 10 mobile is debuting with these phones.... I'm sorry, most won't even buy these phones just cause of the design....looks like some xiaomi or Huawei bulk shit
I think these phones are meant for "Enterprise" users, not having the "kick" for general consumers! So, I am looking forward to "third" phone introduced along with these two.
Pretty sure these will be the flagships, and all we are expecting to see this year. Early next year I am expecting to see a refresh of the 800 series which should be the 'business' or 'enterprise' phone, as well as 2-3 low end 'mass-market' devices
Better design being saved for the Surface Phone?
I really hope...
Has nobody in here heard of prototypes? This could be an older test device!
I see 3 square column, for a 5.7"?
This pic is very old before MS introduced 4 columns.. Look at the music amd video icon they are old icons..
Other than the bottom bezel, I don't see an issue with how the phones look. What is so ugly?
No capacitive button makes it looks so similar to lower end Lumia
No white or Bright coloured front bezels, no more smooth rounded aluminium frames like Lumia 925, no more unibody like design
Round edges, on screen buttons and no metal frame, huge bezzels.. Are these flagships? Are these successors of 930/1520? My hairy dick looks beautiful than these phones.. They completely ruined lumia beauty.. :/ :'(
Wow.. been holding on L920 for two and a half years... now MS gives us cheap looking phones? FIRE THE DESIGN TEAM! I'd be ashamed of showing this phone and saying I paid more than 500€ on it!
If those are real, I won't be waiting for another year. I'll switch to iOS or Android.
This is just to much!
MS, I hope you're reading this, you dumb giant! OMG, still can't believe this is happening!
I want a 1520 replacement. And no, the 5.7" flagship is not a replacement for the 6" wonder.
Never will. These two would never replace Lumia 1520,930,830,Icon,928.
These two render phones are not flagship, but flagshit.
I like the 950 camera design more than of XL. But to be honest, they look bland to existing 2015 flagships. For their next flagship, they have to keep two things in mind. 1) To keep removable battery, expandable storage, wireless charging and pen support and inclusion. 2) Use whitish silver curved metal rim on sides with removable curved polycarbonate and/or metal back. White front bezels like that of iPhones. Capacitive keys. Dual front facing speakers. And thinnest possible top and bottom bezels and almost bezel-less side bezels. And high brightness range OLED display with glance.
I thought they had nailed some of the design problems with Lumia 830. The idea of combining metal rim with removable polycarbonate back was a great one without compromising much. I don't know why they have gone a step backwards by using full removable polycarbonate. This design has its own advantage though. In case your frame gets damaged and/or dented, you could always replace it with newer one. You could accessorize it. You could put wireless charging in it. It makes for better signal reception. And of course, the now rare breed of expandable storage and removable battery.
Although, now that there is a single focused consolidated WDG and Panay at the helm of engineering, I'm looking forward to see what they bring next. Both Windows 10 in its hardware showcase portfolio is just a start though. I expect better things in coming years. Go 10!
Hopefully with Surface branded phone, they will set some standards in design dept. too without compromising functionality and flexibility.
Maybe, it's time Microsoft invests in nexus like program which I'd like to call as Halo line of devices. It maybe as much of money loss as Nokia device acquisition was but the idea here is to give public the impression that all major reputable OEMs are making Halo Windows Devices. It would be a form of advertisement. It doesn't even need to sell millions of shipments in the start. Just the advertisement and billboards in almost every market of these Samsung/LG/Motorola/HTC/Huawei/Xiaomi/Oppo/ZTE/ASUS/Acer based Halo Windows Phones. And Lenovo/Dell/HP/Samsung/ASUS/Acer/Toshiba/Vaio based Windows Halo Tablets, 2in1s, Mobile PCs and workstations.
I like your idea of white front bezels, I have never seen or heard of Lumias having other than black bezels which is quite boring actually, would love to see white front bezels, even more colour options like cyan blue, green, orange and yellow would be awesome.
These do not compare to the dessign language of the 930 or 830 or even the 735 !!! These phones look ugly in comparison ! They look like huge, uninspired and rushed phones like budget phone like the 640. Ask yourself, if this is how the premium phones are supposed to look, what about the budget ones ??? Wow. Uinmpressed. Especially after waiting so long for something extraordinary in terms of both innovation in software and physical looks. Dissapointed.
You guys finally get a look at the new flagship and do nothing but complain. Here's an extreme idea, wait until you see one in person before writing them off completely.
Yep, as I recall the 920 and 1020 looked pretty terrible until I saw one in person and fell in love with the design. The 930 looked absolutely terrible to me online, and while not my cup of tea, still looked much better in person. These look at least OK online, which bodes well for real life. Lesson learned? I should look into upgrading my monitor lol.
I like all the comments bitching about an unofficial render. I'll deserve judgment on the phones when a real picture is leaked.
Exactly. This kind of complaining isn't helping the Windows Mobile cause.
The sad thing is we enthusiasts do everything we can to help the windows mobile cause, we promote the brand, educate friends, co workers, and other non believers. You can't be surprised when after two years of waiting for high end phones people see a completely underwhelming and uninspired design that they complain. Official or not these renders (at least the XL) seems to correspond with the accompanying continuum photo and I am considerably less than impressed.
Call me crazy, but I don't mind the phone in the photo; actually, I quite like it. Then again, I absolutely hated the 640XL in pics/renders until I saw one in person and played with it a bit, now I love it and will probably pick up the 950XL as my next phone. I think once the phones are out, the XL will garner more attention, and that presumption is based solely on how often people proactively ask me what type of phone I have when they see my 640XL.
Looks like the rule of thirds went out the window. Could we please just get this... http://www.windowscentral.com/fan-renders-alleged-microsoft-lumia-1030?u...
Yes! That phone looked amazing.
The codenames should've been Fail and More Fail. What is MS smoking to come up with this uninspired crap?
Nice! But not very premium looking. .. Also, hope the silver ring around the XL camera does not cause any reflection /artefact problems when the flash is firing (like iirc N8 had). Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
The design may be shitty, but as long as I can do the stuff I want and need to do, I'm fine. (though I wished they put the back/home/search buttons not on the screen.)
I must be the only one excited about this feature. I was constantly hitting the capacitive buttons when I didn't mean to (especially the search/cortana button). Having the ability to hide them sounds like a big positive to me.
Yeah Me too, I like the soft buttons
I have 4 Devices (925, 630, 830, 640) two of them with soft buttons.
I like what they did with soft buttons in 640.
Meaning I can hide/autohide (slide up to show anytime) the soft buttons, and double tap at the soft buttons bar to sleep instead of using the power switch.
In terms of device design surely there's nothing to write home about, I would prefer a design closer to 925/830 even 930..... :/
Does the capacitive buttons allow double tap to sleep? If not, on screen buttons are a real necessity for me in case that the power button (may God forbid) breaks.
That bottom bezel is hideous & large. Deal breaker. If you're going to have a bezel that large it better come with capacitive buttons. I'm really disappointed.
Ugly design 950 ......Lumia 1520 n Lumia 930 are the best good looking design
For real.
No way! Removable back, on-screen buttons and all plastic build? After The 830/930? This are not flagships. They might be some midrangers, 750/850. No way this is a flagship design.
No, even mid range Lumia smartphones should have minimum bezels and hard, anodized aluminium frames is a must, don't like all plastic back shell and no frame designs that are horrible.
I'm not really too fond of the logo on the back
Please tell me this is a joke we waited two years for this looks like a stretched 640 920 looked great the 1520 gorgeous but this two years for this? Are you fucking kidding me
I don't think I'll buy Microsoft new windows phone, reason is on screen bottom.
"The connector looks to be USB Type-C" How exactly can you tell? You literally cannot see the connector in that photo.
lol Retards downvoted me pointing out a fact? Ok.
Previous leakers have reported that these phones are supposed to be "sexy as hell" with a refined Lumia 830 type design (personally, I think the 830 is the best looking Lumia phone to date). What happened? Were those phones early prototypes that got canned? The phones in this article look just like a Lumia 640 and do not give off a high end vibe at all like the 930 and 830 do. Very cheap looking. *Sigh* If only the 830 had a bit more grunt and a full HD AMOLED screen...
Agreed
Probably Nadella going "OK make the design really generic so that it doesn't eat into other OEMs flagship models' sales too much [Editor's remark: err, what OEMS is he talking about?!] or steal the thunder of the Surface phone we are releasing in late 2016 and will only say in our New York store!" Mastermind. :D ;) :P Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Wow, these phones are not even out yet and everyone's jumping ship.
I'm going to sit back and see how long this lasts.
I seriously think the world is going to hell with the idiocracy that Mike Judge predicted... =[
Good one.
Why no Carl Zeiss lens?
Learn to read.
Too much side and front bezels! Where is the anodized hard aluminium frames as intended for Lumia Flagships? If Microsoft goes for On-screen buttons, they should reduce the bezels to the minimum and make software fully responsive with the buttons.
Not a fan of this round edge and camera design. Microsoft should have done better.
If they don't know how to design, why they don't copy 930 with new spec.
Was waiting for flagship but not going buy these phones.
Come on!
To all you iphone enthusiast, please describe what's different between Iphone 3? and 5 (s) outside the cellular? Not much I think. Just newer processor inside. Get further and try some new gadgets with tougher glass performance. I'm just waiting for the new 950 xl (or 1030) successor?
I really hope the actual devices look a lot better than that. I like the 830/930 design more.
After 3 months on Android I have to say I really miss having a phone that simply *works*. When I had WP the WiFi just worked, the Bluetooth just worked, the keyboard took about a week or two to catch on to my quarks but then it just worked. I am definitely switching back to Windows Phone for one of these devices. Going to miss the IR blaster on my current phone, and the placement of the power/volume keys seems like it would be annoying, but everything else about these devices and WP10 looks great and I can't wait to go back! Plus, flagship with expandable storage!?! Awesome! My S6 is constantly out of storage (and issue I never had with my 920 even though I kept more documents and music on it). WP may have had it's storage issues in the past, but it fixed them. I have no idea what is eating all of the storage on my Android device even though it has the same amount of storage as my old phone!
Get an iPhone. That one definitely just works
The "Just works" can be applied to WP 8.1 and iOS. WP 10 is on par or worse than android without the benefits of android.
How bout wait for w10m to finish first and then judge? :)
Feel disappointed and very sad. This is not flagship...
I hope the phones look better in person.
They look fine. Polycarbonate, Lumia design, industrial, durable and functional. Don't be so sheepish and think that anything that doesn't follow Apple design rules (aluminum, glass and metal trims, bling) is "ugly". All those Samsung's, HTC et al are dating themselves into a fad of seeing gadgets as jewelry - because Apple does.
They are also unique and stand out from the crowd, phones these days are as much a fashion accessory as a bracelet. While many people couldn't give a toss about the look of their phone, you're better off catering to the market that do in this instance as the idea is to snipe some of those competitors customers.
Microsoft can bring designs like that of mix of Lumia 925 with rounded corners and Lumia 830 with silver white anodized Hard Aluminium frames, with unibody type removable back cover, the design is like that of Lumia 540 wholly uninspiring definitely people want such designs for a flagship smartphone; they remove capacitative buttons still too much bezels, why they can't bring front white panels below and above display like Iphone and Samsung S series, this is real crap.
I have an 830. Yes the metal trim looks great... for about a month until it gets scuffed to hell. And those think plastic backs are wobbly and give into pressure easily. And don't get me started on the internals: the 830 is a performance disasater and the worst WP I've owned.
They need to redesign their internal components fitting and make unibody type back shells that fit perfectly blended to the back part of the mobile so the smartphones don't get heated near bezels and software needs optimization and processors need upgrade so that heating is minimized, the internal components fitting is the same from Lumia 630 to latest Lumia 640XL.
Nah, they suck. Nothing good about these designs.
810 has serious heat issue, why use it? I wont get 950xl because of that.
I agree that upcoming Lumia 940XL and 840 if would be using Snapdragon 810 and 615 processor respectively, these phones would be heating machines.
I would rather like to see Lumia 940XL with Snapdragon 808 processor, Lumia 840 with Snapdragon 616 or 620 processor, and integrated in-built wireless charging in Lumia 940 instead of with flip cover.
The only thing I want to take with a grain of salt is the rendered, I'll be getting the XL but given how nice a lot of Nokia Lumia phones looked it's a shame that these are rather dull and uninspiring. Although it'll be good to see what some colour might do for the XL (doesn't do much for the 950) if these renders do end up reflecting on the finished product, I've always found black boring.
These flagships look primitive! The location of volume and power button being on the center right edge of the phone are annoying!. Every time you want to pick up the phone from a flat surface with two fingers you would press one of these buttons for sure! And as I though and suspected previously, the phone by itself cannot handle continuum and connects to an external monitor. It needs the freaking dock! Another item to purchase and carrry!
If you're trying to connect to an older monitor, you definitely can't use Miracast, so you would need the dock for that... Not everyone have wireless monitor
Come to Canada on day one please don't make other markets wait.
The blue one (I hope that's cityman) isn't bad. With that said, I think these are just being released to hold people over til the Surface Phone comes out next year. If I'm not mistaken, these two phones were already in the plans when Nokia was running the show. The Surface Phone will be 100% Microsoft. Somebody feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Nope, these are supposedly 100% all Microsoft.
The first thing consumers want when they have $600 or more to spend on a phone, is how good it looks and these don't look good enough. These need to cost below $400 or they are DOA. Sorry Microsoft.
This generation of consumers has got to be the worst in tech history. Let me get this straight: a technically mid-range phone with 1 GB RAM, sub-1080 screen, and a fragile bendable body sells easily for $800 because it has a $5 aluminum body with a nice bevelled edge (I'm speaking of the iPhone). But a phone with 3 GB RAM, 1440p resolution, policarbonate unibody, and advanced features like Hello and Continuum will not sell... because it does not look like a fashion accesory. I dont want to live in this planet anymore.
Usually I pretend I don't care about looks but I just can't, specially when it costs so much. Looks matter more than anything in a flagship. That's why iphone and samsung galaxy sell so good even with those insane prices. It's good to have great specs and all but they don't matter much if you have a fast and well optimized OS like WP is. I never buy high-end devices but I was thinking about getting the talkman but if it will look like this, I highly doubt I will ever get it. If it looked really good, I probably would lose my mind and get it day 1. In short, Windows already lacks apps. If these are the real renders for the phones, Microsoft has nothing compeling to make people switch. Good looking hardware + apps (content) = winning formula. With these devices, Microsoft has nothing to win consumers.
I agree lol.
Um, yep. It's not weird to ask that a premium cost device looks.......premium. The blue one in the photo looks an iterative continuation of the Lumia 640, a $100 phone.
This has got to be fake. I mean what is it with the "squarish" shape of that MSFT logo at the back while the home button on the front assumes the normal sexy-looking, tapering, rectangular MSFT logo. Well with that inconsistency in the logo shapes, it's safe to assume this is photoshopped or something. And what da heck is that button configuration on the proposed "cityman" L950XL? My Nokia 808 pureview, Nokia N8 and E7 were more beautiful. Agghrrrr!
Top phone looks good but the bottom one looks chunky and cheap. Have to say I'm using the 640 now and I think the bottom bezel is needed. Without it it would be awkward to use the nav bar and very difficult to swipe up to dismiss it. Never liked the idea of on screen nav keys but after using them for awhile now I kind of like them. Hardware keys do have a more premium look though but no more functional.
Why didn't they give it the 920 design???? This is so plain and boring looking. Doesn't even look like a Lumia. How disappointing.
In my opinion, 920 design still stands as the most beautiful ever seen.
Why does everyone not like it?...I don't think it looks bad at all
Compared to 930 and 1520 these phones are shit.. First they used onscreens, and now round edges and no metal frame.. :/
Why can't they simply make a phone that looks like Win10PC? rough lines, simple, clean. take a block, round the corners a bit, not too much bezels around the screen, and voila! I hope this looks 400% better in person, and if it does, than MS deserves a medal for the biggest optical ilusion!
Just hope the black colored phone is Photoshoped ...fingers crossed
I can't take speakers on the back anymore. My L1020 is still elagant looking, not tiring, but square corners are thing of past though.
Looklike a chinese brand phone....... no hardware navigation keys..... ah no thanks....... expected a great design and a premium finish...... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Looks like cheap android phones....
Seriously dispointed I guess am going to keep my lumia 1520.3 a while longer and wait and see if the competition come up with a better windows phone... Otherwise Microsoft is just going to kill windows phone and it's just looking for a compalin reason to quit.... I hope not but if that's the case I may give the iPhone a chance this time around... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
I look forward all of you leaving Windows Phone so that I don't have to read your garbage on this site again. btw, I like the look of these phones. Assuming they are real that is.
Stop getting your feelings hurt because people were expecting more from these devices.
There is always that risk in reading comments.
Ugly ugly if that is the final concept then this will be dead on arrive
WOW. WOW. WOW. Couldn't have sucked any more. Ok I'll wait for some other OEM then. Microsoft seems to have completely given up on hopes of other OEMs to build something better.
Flagship??? These things look like budget phones!
Ugly round edges, on screens, no metal frame.. :/
I hope that's a joke, those phones are ugly as hell, What happend to the Lumia 930 sleek design?. I mean, I'm not going to judge them by a render (Which usually try to show the beauty of the device), so I hope they look better in real life, or I'll have to skip this phone u.u SFBE
Of course everyone has to bitch about something....
If the camera isn't better than 930 then I'm staying with my 930 and I will buy another 930 should my current one breaks...
hmm, is it only me or it really doesn't look that bad upon seeing the images from PC...
I call bullshit. These specs and renders are a purposefully leaked diversion by Microsoft to hide the real specs.
Hopefully... :3
=0
Glad to see everyones happy! :)
Not impressed. I was hoping for a better design.
I should have known that this post has become the new onscreen vs capactive buttons discussion. I remember a lot of "Ew no!" and some "Oh, I don't mind/I like it better that way", and with the occasional, "You know, I'll just adapt".
This is very depressing, i need to see a psychiatrist!
I dont like those rounded off corners...
Well, these latest images leave MUCH to be desired. I currently use a Lumia 635, I had a Lumia 925 (I broke it), I also have a Lumia 1020. Neither of these images look better than the 925 or 1020. They look like a small update to the 635, a cheap phone. Not good. I will most likely still buy one, but wont have the level of excitement I expected from such overdue sequels. I mean the 1520 is designed better. Whats going on? Having recently bought my wife a Samsung S6 Edge+, she also owns a Lumia 925, these designs are not going to cut it. The S6 Edge is a seriously good looking, good feeling phone. Her Windows phone days were done, from lack of apps, camera quality, etc etc... I wisely chose to upgrade her, she held out as long as you could ask anyone. I'm personally not an Android fan, as of right mow, but that could change. Im taking all expectations and holding them until the official reveal. Im hoping for something a bit more exciting.
Guess, thats what you get when you fire nokia designing team. Wish nokia was still in run, with this windows 10 mobile, they would have brought something nicer that this.
So disappionted with microsoft. Don't you have a better design engineers? Ugly phone.
Ugly,uninspiring..
If this is real, they are ugly. Lumia 830 is more elegant
If this is the phone, I might get the moto pure- I think that's the name of it.
Its ugly....hopes these leaks are fake
Very uninspired designs. They look a lot like the 820 from the front, which was called a boring design four years ago. Seems like WP gets more half-baked effort from Redmond.
These have nothing on the 820. The 820 at least has capacitive buttons and a bunch of shells to choose from. These renders are embarrassing
Daniel as others have asked PLEASE POST A POLL FOR US TO VOTE ON THE LOOKS OF THIS? Or do you not want to upset your MS connections when they look on here and see the results? Been with windows phone since winmobile, this is BULLSHIT design for a flagship
Why wait? Go have your Moto pure.
Good specs lack luster design. Too much polycarbonate. Flagship phones should be glass and metal,it just looks more refined, elegant even
And watch it smash to pieces when you drop it. My 920 has gone through insane falls and it's only nicked in one corner. I only a £1 tpu gel case on it.
It looks like they started to design it for buttons on the bezel and then changed their mind part way through. Then decided to just center the screen since the size of the components were already fixed width and height. This looks very sloppy and I really hope it isn't the "flagship". Churning out too many low end phones, hopefully this is just another one.
They look raly UGLY to me. Totally disapponted. These mobiless look like entry level devices. Thank you Microsoft nter dapointment. I will keep my Lumia 930.
ITunes on windows phone. Yeah baby winphone 32
They look both the same size. Maybe I should merge bottom photos adv and see. Lol
Looks very ugly!
And just like Blackberry, Windows Phone died. Sad day man. Actually, the rumored Venice renders look better than this so we'll see how that plays out. I will say the XL is slightly better looking but still has a bland style to be a 2015 flagship. Maybe if it was thinner (6.9mm?) it'd look better, but everything about these renders scream fat phone that aren't hand friendly.
Have you used these phones?
the renders just butchered my expectations. i hope they would finalize their case/body design differently from these renders.
Man, I hope these renders are FAKE... I didn't wait this long to buy cheap looking, ugly ass, big bezel phones as such! I can't even show these "leaks" to my wife, who's been waiting patiently for fresh windows 10 mobile for months! WTF was Microsoft doing ALL THIS TIME???!!! I really can't believe what im seeing. I'm about to faint if this is real, because I wont be able to show this off at all! And by the way, there goes that IOS or Android customer who was thinking of switching! Smh!
Looks like you and your wife really have your priorities straight in life.
It's just a phone, man. Chill the fuck out. Jesus...
Looks like all the nutters have broken out of Arkham...
My, what a massively useless bottom bezel you have, said my Lumia Icon to the City and Talk men. If these phones only have soft buttons, I'm afraid I'll have to sit out this round. The soft buttons on my wife's HTC One ruin the phone, in my opinion. Very poor design choice I think.
The camera design on the black one looks so cheap. Looks like the end of good looking flagships from Nokia/Microsoft.
Why can't they have edges and design like Lumia 730 or L830. Looks more like my L535
I guess if they are really thin they could look and feel a lot better IRL. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
LOL some serious overreacting going on here! for a render?!
they look like entry level handsets, seems Microsoft totally lost it and all it can think about now is low end, or maybe the new high end is their surface line
If this is real, I hope this is why Stephen Elop is gone.
Damn that Cityman is gross
To all the naysayers,
Tbh, I wasn't even impressed with Lumia 730 renders and real photos even when it was launched. But it was only after holding it in my hands, that now I'm a proud owner of Lumia 730. And I love it so much. These are the kind of designs which grow on users over time because of the flexibility they offer.
Waited all this year for a new flagship WP and what an ugly thing we got here. Reckon Tom, dick and harry do a far better job.
I already got my flagship, Lumia 640 dual sim!
Lol Snapdragon 400
Lol, that's right, these phones look just like and upgraded 640. A flaghship phone should look nothing like a budget phone. SMH
I hope this concept isn't close to the actual product. This is horrific!
Oh, nice, Cityman doesn't have the weird button configuration for volume and unlock. Also, they both look really nice to me, don't know what people were expecting in terms of design. I'm looking forward to buy a blue Cityman :) I can't see the Iris scanner though.
Come on! Really?! Bezel, on screen buttons?! Pass. At&t replaced my Nokia 1020 with a HTC One M8. I canned that piece of crap and found an old 1520. Looks like I'll be using this beast for a while. So disappointed.
Those are ugly very ugly, I knew it that I will buy an iphone 6 or S6 its smth done for me. Good luck guys
Holy bezel
Ohhh my, I hope this not being real because this don't look like a flagship Lumia at all... I want a new WP but not like those. I have wait to much time for now get something like that. Seriously.
Not the knockout design I was expecting from the flagship.specs. But not 520 design either. I think it may have been the expectation building up too much from the long wait. I appreciate the silver ring and metallic buttons, I need to see it up close before final judgement. I don't like the cable as a 'dock' though, I was expecting a real slide in dock.
And man, should they market these phones as 5.1 and 5.6 inches in size respectively??... Those on screen buttons takes away from the content ON the screen..... I keep saying this Microsoft, transparent on screen buttons like Android! Sheesh! What a sad sad day
You can hide those with a swipe. After using a 735 it makes sense.
920/735 were the best looking. Reminds me of the 830. Though that was hideous at first. Sucks they didn't put a flashy for selfies, think that's the next selling point for tweenies/teens in the next generation of phones.
Unappealing and cheap looking.
I like the Cyan one but that black one is IMO extremly ugly. If these phones don't look good in person I'll hold on to my 930 and and wait for the (hopfully announced)Surface phone
What's that grille next to the camera on the 940/950? Looks like the speaker grilles are at the top and bottom of the back cover (which, if they are speakers, would imply "stereo")? Btw, the continuum "dongle" also looks like crap. One would have thought it would be a nice stand you just slot your phone in... or perhaps there are different variants.
I don't want a 6 inch phone. But I want all the crap that comes with it. Please just make them identical except for screen size. I'll be buying one of them regardless. My 1020 is old and no other phones compare on the camera front so I hope these are near as good as the 1020 in that regard too.
Can tell you even the lumia 730 & 830 both look far better than this... There is just no curves or metal..
What are these going to cost?
Knowing Microsoft, too much.
Please do not get on stage with this Panos, I can't bear to watch you grit your teeth while you try to sound excited about this. Satya, PLEASE pull a Surface Mini and kill this before the write down. I loved my L920, tolerating my L830, but I'm tired of waiting...
To be fair, he'll probably be on stage with a wide array of products, including a new Surface Pro and a Band. If I had to guess, they'll be glossing over the phones pretty quickly. Nobody in the press cares about those.
it doesn't look like a high end at all more like a mid range phablet
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought "renders" means it's not official photos of the actual phone design?
Why are people here commenting like that's the final product and saying negative stuff about it?
Because they're dumb asses.
Congrats on all of the downvotes you're getting.
because thedevice is showing in the top picture, and the render in the below one, and they reaaaaly look the same... which means this is somewhat real renders.
This is a total disaster I waited so long since my Lumia 920 die.....and now this... Total disappointed. I'll stick with my lumia 830 by far lumia 830 has better design. I feel bad cause i told many friendsbif they want a real nice phone should wait for cityman renders that wc post and now this wtffffff.
Time to hire back Nokia Finnish designers!
The aluminium ring around the camera is so 2000's
On screen buttons look putrid
Looks like my 640xl
I dont understand.. what is the use in getting a new flagship phone.. if the OS is still has so many bugs and is inconsistent. It still lacks so many features that are considered basic in today's age. Please fix those before you want us to buy these so called "flagships".
I really wish this is not true...Specs are nice, but the design sucks! Not even close to what I thought how they would be. They simply don't look like flagship devices to me. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
I am hating those devices, its like microsoft is telling its fans, Specs or Design? you cant have both!
Price them at $500 and you've got a winner. Anything more and it's not worth bothering. There are too many great phones with comprable specs and reasonable prices.
It would look considerably better with capacitive buttons the way it was laid out in the Windows Central renders.
I hope these are still prototype shoots, because on-screen keys are a complete no go for a flagship. Really hope the final release has physical keys or I need to pass on this.
Microsoft should standardize on one logo. I am disappointed to see Surface Pros donning the angled windows logo while the phones here showing the flat version. No consistency. Also, just the logo of microsoft should be enough, why would they have to print "Microsoft" on the phone. :( Where is the minimalism?
Cityman on at&t please!!
I'm... Surprised.... And on top of that, Verizon availability? More then likely not going to happen.... RIP to my 928. I love the 928/930/icon designs... Only two color options???... Imagine a icon in that Nokia Yellow as the new flagships...
Seems like Microsoft fired enginners who designed nokia 800 and 920 phones..
Great specs and good looking. Will have the 950XL on day one. My son can have my 640. Also a nice looking phone.
These look so much better, real or not.
http://i.imgur.com/SXuVx85.jpg
Beautiful phone with good specs.Finally a replacement for my 1520
http://i.imgur.com/SXuVx85.jpg. These look so much better, real or not!
Too much for an entry level design in my opinion.
But still think these mockups MUST be wrong. MS wouldn't do one device with the vol +- separated by Power and another device the way we're used to... :-/
those are fugly as heck. maybe they should of had rubino design the phones....his take was way hotter. seriouly, why the fat low bezzel if no buttons.
IMO, these renders look so much smarter & sharper, real or not!
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=950+xl+lumia&view=detailv2&qft=+fil...
How many times are you going to f***ing post that?
The on screen navigation buttons are terrible for a flagship
Hopefully we have a true dock, and not a hockey puck and cord.
These look like the 640XL!!!!
at last...after spending too much time on flagship devices,loyal fans patience they are going to release these ugly devices hmmmm....they look worst than ever eww.well i dont think any one will pay more than 350$ for these ugly devices including continuum...i will wait untill they get true flagship surface mobile with good build quality,feel plus look....
If windows phone got android apps, and I could put it on my note 3, I'd do that... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
People not wanting to buy these phones because "they are ugly" (?) are what is killing Windows Phone.
No, Microsoft's bumbling is what is killing Windows Phone.
DOA!
PLEASE NO on screen buttons!!!!! I can live with everything else.
http://news.zing.vn/Ban-dung-Lumia-950-vo-nhua-gay-that-vong-post562490.... IMO these renders look so much smarter & sharper, real or not!
Design of Lumia 930 is better than 950 you have to change
:(
Can't anyone see that these are just another 'render' from a person? and that the images are FAKE?? I mean look at those start screens... A guy is randomly testing continuum, and having the EXACT same start screen as 1st render of win 10 mobile months ago ? And then was somehow able to put new wallpaper in the background, but then blurred it to hide mm mistakes? Are they serious?? Even tile sizes and icons are now different... Nice Photoshop, bad mind.
Clearly these are renders of 532 and 535... They are now given flagship status??!! Absolutely baseless these rumours are.. But if they are true..of course there are mi phone Asus phone.. Someone who take phones seriously
Just realized the 950 does have integrated Qi charging. Now that is stupid. Flagships should have everything.
Wow, I guess there must be something in the water as some of these comments are just plain retarded lol.
Looks like I'm in the minority here but I love the design. Replace the stupid on screen buttons with real ones and I'll be a happy camper. Assuming of course I can afford this beauty.
Can someone please explain the 1mm silver ring...?
to be compatible with magnet lenses ?
Going to wait until I've used the phones in a store before making my mind up on which I'd prefer. If they come in dual sim variants then I'm sold.
I hold in my hand an iPhone 6 Plus. Never going back to wp, but I still use Microsoft services. Sad I think wp will be dead going forward, if Microsoft continues the plastic Lumia line of phones. I do believe though Panos Panoy may save microsofts phone devision if he is able to make the vision of a surface phone come true. By the way, ugly plastic crap!
Please tell me they're not on screen buttons ffs. What ever happened to dedicated haptic feedback buttons. No one wants to go an extra step to press a button. Looks like I'll be keeping and using the Lumia icon
Ugly!!!!!!!
After these renders, I'm assuming MS Careers page has openings for designers? If not, I'll draw up something in MS Paint and email to them. This is sadly unacceptable.
These just looks really uninspired, leftover or redone Lumia designs. Why do they keep putting stuff like this out, it’s not gonna sell as well. I’m really hoping for the Surface phone. They really need a flagship with the specs and design that grab attention and impress enough to convert iPhone and android users. This just isn’t it.
I would prefer a 920 on steroids than this fugly design..
hope thats not their final design. that bottom black is really ugly. love 925 right until now.
For everyone hoping these are fake or the design is not final, remember that they came from EvLeaks... And you can bet money on that dude's track record.
I don't think that bottom bezel is as big as done are making it out to be
I'm looking at the pics on my Icon. Blowing them up I can see where the screen ends in the pic and the renders. I think it's only half to 2/3 the size of the Icon bottom bezel. Also the perimeter could be metal like the Icon. At least on the black one. Could/would they match the cyan back with a cyan metal edge?
those are ugly
Cool
Can we just stop worth the on screen and of screen discussion please. And concentrate how messed up new flagships are. My red 1520 looks better than me phones. Ms is really fucking this up for themselves
To use continuum i have to wear that hub with me? Meh...
no. to use continum with displays and keyboards that arent wireless you need a box. to connect without using the phone battery up you need to connect wired to do so etc.
They did it to remove a requirement for the hardware buttons precisely so that OEMs can reuse designs across product lines. Makes it more economical to develop phones. Physical buttons could differentiate phones as a feature (I.e. this one has physical camera button, etc.).
Very ugly, thick, brick-like phones with lots of bezels specially on the bottom. When is Microsoft going to learn an appealing phone that's attractive, thin, and beautiful?
Onscreen buttons? Barf.
If its true the buttons on the lower side I will never buy them. Everytime I hand my phone to someone to take a picture they always turn the phone off because no other phone has an off button in the middle of the right side. Argh!
Colors look awfully pale and washed out on that lcd. Could be just a weak camera taking the photo (hope it wasn't another 950!), or the screen could be one of the compromise components along the way of making a device they can afford to build. Have to see
It's a low res picture you can't really measure about the real quality of the screen.
Why so ugly? Force me to go to Android.
Lumia 930 is the best design so far.
Please don't force the little left supporter for Lumia to other solutions.
I think its time to change the search icon in the bar for Cortana symbol.
A surface phone will be great!
I do like the shape. I love very rectangular phones.
I don´t get what the big deal is, it seems they are making the phone more practical and easy to hold and use than making it pretty. Sure, it wont be winning any beauty awards, but with those internals? Who gives a damn. Besides, most of us will put a cover on it anyways lol.
A lock button BETWEEN the volume buttons?!
I really do not understand what all the disappointment is for. I think these phones may be the first chance I get to want a WP device. What is reall wrong with the design? It may not be the most unique ever but it will likely get the job done as a solid device.
Yeah, I agree. People as always expected something unseen, and are disappointed when the phone doesn't look like a damn space shuttle. I just dislike the fact that there is no metal around the edges.
I call Photoshop. The larger phone should be able to have two wide tiles side by side, which it apparently does not. Could be the settings though.
Really ugly. The 930 was beautiful. these? Lego phones?
If the screen is beautiful and they feel good in the hand, I'll test the water with one before the Surface Phone comes out...if it ever does
Finally some good , well hopefully good, confirmation that my dedicated camera button is staying put. My wife wont go to an iPhone or android without that button. And thank the good lord there are no more capacitive buttons. I hate they dearly on every phone I have ever used. Including my many lumia's using the m8 has been a great with those buttons disappearing when they aren't in use. I am also feeling the separated buttons on the cyan one. Nice new touch. Camera dead center just where I like it. Not off center. Rounded corner will fare better for when I drop it. Those little holes on the bottom of the cyan one... Aren't those the qi adapter plate holes...i hope its not by case for Qi charging. That would make me sad. Can't wait to actually hold it in my hands. Hope it has some good weight to it.
Why the hell is everyone b!tching over a PROTOTYPE?! No one said this was the final design in this leaked shot, yet people are tripping off how "unflagship-like" the damn thing LOOKS. I don't care if this thing was a throwback to my HTC TYTN II from back in the day (yeah, I've been in the phone game longer than most) I'm still gonna get it... Dual SIM, 20MP camera, REMOVEABLE BATTERY and MICRO SD CARD, NFC, and stylus support on the 950XL are all things I'm looking forward to-- because I use my phone all day and need one that can get the job done, not impress strangers in the coffee shop when I pop in for a latte.
It's a phone... you're not making love to it!
I for one love the rounded corners and will be getting both. It will be nice of there decently priced, $499 and $399 or maybe $399 and $299
The renders don't look good to me.
Microsoft really need to lose the bezel and take up more of the real estate of the screen
Sweet..... But I'm waiting on the Surface Phone
Maybe if I drink a little the renders will look better.
I wonder if the surface pro design team wouldn't mind taking a crack at designing a decent windows phone
I actually think these looks sexy, love the design and I think they stand out from the crowd.
Tha unthinkable has just happened, a Lumia that is uglier than a Samsung, no kidding the s6 looks away better
This is the ugliest "flagship" for 2015 and 2016. I have to reconsider buying it.
Will Microsoft change those designs after reading these comments?
I hope they are listening, don't they?
These are super ugly and big let down..
Boring and Unispiring Design! If this leaks are real I don't know how they want to sell these to people and increase market share. With designs like this there is no chance for that ever happen. Even tough hardware specifications are very impressive but with design same as 635/640 this turns out to be a disappointing new devices. We all know Windows 10 Mobile will be a very good OS but no matter how good they make it with boring and uninspiring phone designs it will not sell. Some people are all about hardware specification but mostly see design and look. Most of market look at the design first and then they ask how many core, what camera, scanner, etc. As long time Microsoft and Windows ecosystem supporter I am very disappointed that after 2 years waiting this is what we have as flagship. If this leaks turns out to be real and how these phones are really look like I am sure I will not buy any of these phones. It's just so funny (and sad) how Talkman looks so much like my 635/640. With phones like this I don't see any point to buy any of these two Windows 10 Mobile devices. My 635/640 already look same as Talkman and if I want to do more and go with power I just have my Surface Pro. Where is designer of Lumia 830/925/1520 to save Microsoft!?
Do Microsoft even do marketing research? Like what the consumers want and the psychology on why they pick a phones on first glance at the store? Think about it, if you go in to a store and this phone is displayed side by side among IPhone 6 and Samsung galaxy edge+ and others, this phone had small chance of getting checked out. It will be on the corner, forgotten, no matter what your specs are.
Trying hard to like the new flagships but i cant.. No touch capacitive buttons,no pointy edges, ugly design.. I hope the 830 successor would be better than these 2 phones :/
Dat bezel doe.
I'm liking the looks and specs of the XL version. I wonder if it'll come to Verizon? I like the logo on the back and the silver accents.
What the FUCK is that? Really really disappointed....build quality looks so pathetic and design is uglier than some of the cheap Chinese Droids...Why on earth will anybody buy these? Should have picked something up from the designs of 920, 925, 720, 1520, and 830. It looks a complete disaster if these pictures are true! I have always believed that only Nokia knew how to design a durable phone...and I guess 830 was the last of it...
Wow, you can work out the build quality from a render ?! Holy crap !
Everyone is mad super vague as hell. WHY... what makes them ugly??? =/
Most of you guys are ridiculous. You've clamoured for a new high end flagship for many many months, suddenly we get this incredible device which is going to be a dream for Windows Phone and yet two low quality leaked pictures and some renders are enough to condemn it. Wait until its announced, some good pictures and videos are shown, then form an opinion. My initial impressions are that the phone looks great, and I can be pretty confident that while yes the renders are a bit iffy, the phone will feel premium in the hand and the design will be a lot nicer in person. Looks are subjective, to outcast this phone based purely on aesthetics is your right, so I'm not saying you're wrong. I think it looks a good deal better than any iPhone or Samsung/LG device, I will be buying it on release mostly because of the specs and that it is worth an upgrade. It is not my top choice of design, my Lumia 830 is what I consider my favourite phone of all time so far but I can still get past the 950s discrepancies that don't agree with me and wait until I've held it in my hand, chances are I'm going to love it and most of you will too. In short, calm down!
I wish it was not true :( The devices look like from the past century. I waited for this year's flagship for more than a year and now they want me to buy a peace of plastic even without a metal frame. It will cost at least tripple more than lumia 6XX, bet it looks the same like a cheeap peace of shi....
Yes please. I'll take the Talkman with the munchkin dock.
Oh my that thing in bottom picture is ugly. Top one is "so so". And unlike most people here I don't mind them on-screen buttons.
The 925 looks better then these
I love the specs of both phones, design is kind of clunky.
They look exactly like lumia 640 but just with a better camera. So Ms. We wait for a flagship just to recive a 640 with better specks? Got to be kidding me!
The 640 is a fine looking phone. And these look better.
...uh hope thats not the final design. Looks kinda cheap... :-o
Any idea of these will have glance screen while phone is off? One of my most loved features of my 1520.
I doubt about the renders leaked by evleaks.. I dont find it good enough to be official.. Trust me.. These guys over here whome are started to think its an ugly design will get wondered when the phone get released.. Its not gonna be that bad.. We will see a mix of 1520 and 830 design..
These are obviously the real deal, so no I don't "trust you."
What the hell is that silver ring around the camera... It's very ugly....
Wow! Sooo ugly phones!
I think cityman is the one without the metal ring on the camera. Tweet says "cityman, and talkman(from top to bottom)" cityman is the one above(XL version)
my god the metal rings.. who is designing these :( i like the full plastisc body withoput anything witten or any holes for speakers. was expecting womething better after the cool designs of the lumias
Microsoft please put silver trim around these Smart phones screens to tke away their Plain Jane case designs. also round off the 90 degree corners of your tiles please because People say they look too industrial plane jane ughly in design. you need some art work in your technology to help you sell your Products
nice
Even Lumia 920 had 32 gb Internal memory, same whole plastic back shell design.
Is the dock image a render too? If not, I wonder why the phone in it has the exact same very old start screenshot!
I don't like how the front isn't curved glass. I like how the 1020, 1520 looked with the curved glass
The looks of a phone is very important to me. A bigger L925 would be better than these phones.
Ugly. The edges of the screen ... It looks like smartphones five years ago.
Never expect this ugly design for a higher end phone...very cheap plastic material... Like a midrange phone... Never feels like a flagship device...hope the price is not too big..
I think the design is quite nice. The bezels bother me though as well as the back firing speakers. I can already hear reviewers complaining about both. The desgin in and of it self is nice.
The design looks liek 640 upgrade...I hope that upcoming flagship will not have removable battery and cover...
DOA POS Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
OMG BSOD LOL
I wonder if that huge silver ring/mirror near lens could produce unwanted reflections?
About the design, maybe they saved some room for the surface phone. Who knows!
Sorry if this has been answered already but the spec sheet keeps referencing the 1mm silver ring in the cityman. Why? I mean why is that considered a feature? I assume it's not part of qi as that's mentioned separately. Camera is reported to be 20megapixels for both phones as well. Does it serve an actual purpose?
Bloat the spec sheet
and yet its th talkman in the renders that has the ring
I was kind of hoping the phone would be prettier than that....they've had 2 years to come up with a new design. It looks almost identical to all the other lumias before it and frankly they haven't sold very well, so why bring another mundane design to the market. MS should have gone with the surface phone angle....
where is my money ??? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Under your pillow?
I like this style. It is kind of new and it s not such metal or glass from samsung or other devices. My lumia felt down few times but cause of materiel it isnt broke down.
I liked the boxy nature of the 930 but i also liked the 925 slimmer more curvy design. These are more in keeping with the 640 style if anything. Certainly not a surface phone. Continuum should be a big USP for the new phones so i would like to see them in the box in the same way The 930 had a QI charger. The people with access to this function out of the box the more likely it will be seen by others or it will be yet another feature that we get overtaken on despite having the lead. QI charging is already going in that direction.
Terribly placed speakers? Check. Huge chin? Check. Power button between the volume keys? Check.Camera bump? Check. On screen buttons? Check. Ridiculous chrome ring around camera? Check.
What the actual hell is Microsoft thinking with this design? I mean, this is just so so poorly done.
Daniel I have hand it to you man you can keep a secret if I received some much complains about the new flagship phone I would have broken my silence. On a different note have 1520 and looking at the new flagship phone I think I'll keep it a little longer, but not long enough I Hate Android period and thought of moving my life on Android gives me sleepless nights. Moving my stuff to drive and the cumbersome, ugly looking interface of Android I can't stand it. But if I don't have a choice I'll will make the jump even with Android faults it has some good parts. I know I know everyone here will start flaming me for saying that but, do anyone of the people who thinks like me have choice anymore?
I enjoy the firm feel and grip of my Lumia 830. I like the almost hard edges because it helps with the grip. Early on the phone dropped a couple of times before I got used to it. The dings on the edges are there but not bad. I bought the phone because, coming from a Lumia 620 I've observed that windows phone doesn't need the most powerful soc to run smoothly. I needed a phone that was an upgrade aesthetically and and shouted wise but the Lumia 930 was way beyond what I could pay for a phone so I was so glad when the Lumia 830 was launched. After the price drop I bought the phone for the equivalent of $270 dollars in my country. The one plus is not considered a flagship device because it's not known for its pretty looks even with its high end internals. Samsung galaxy s and note sales have diminished because specs and gimmicks now matter less. Hence there new aesthetically focused designs (the edge evolved from a functional gimmick to an aesthetic feature). Aside from graphics and single core operations, Apple devices are behind the condition spec wise, but they make sure to give their devices a look and feel of luxury. Steel back, aluminum edges, brushed aluminum back, full brushed aluminum frame, gold, curved screen edges, thin sleek frame. HTC is the same, but it seems like most people won't buy a flagship with a notorious camera. Folks who want an all metal Lumia device or surface phone need to be aware that wireless charging only works with a plastic back. This is the reason for the Lumia 925, 930 and 830 design choice.
Lumia 440 &440XL
When will the cheaper MS design references come. Soon come!
There's already a billion cheap Lumia's to chose from.
Yup ugly
Lumia 950 is ok but 950xl looks like a cheap quality phone. That silver ring is making the phone ugliest ever Lumia.
Yup ugly and doesn't look anything like premium devices plus the bezels are so big!!!???
It's definately not 950 and 950XL. It has to be 840 and 840XL. Also, if you look closely at the Cyan render near the Windows logo, you can see that its photoshopped. Moreover, if the two phones are different sizes then the content in the phone screen should show different tiles as one is shorter. isn't it?
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Can't believe so many people are this negative regarding these phone designs. As if the spitting out the same designed phones that no one bought last time around would be a winning strategy.
The 950 is ugly...the XL is ok...but it doesnt look premium for a flagship...and those chrome accents looks very cheap
iPhone 6 has Digital Images Stabilization(DIS). Cheating prices. Also screen 720p(~326ppi). All it has is good in software... Mine is still the latest 920 created in 2012 with 768p(~338ppi). 8.7mp Optical Images Stabilization(OIS) camera. I have about 4.8GB photos & videos suited in Hotmail SkyDrive free(7GB)!
U said it s black or white. And the cell is blue ? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
I was hoping for something bit more better looking. These are like stretched 930s with 830 cameras on back. . I hope they have something more steel coming. Blackberry passport silver is a beaut.
Lumia iPhone....that's ugly!
After the metal edges of the 830 and 930, this really seems backwards. I don't like the fact that it's all plastic.
yes, I would take these renders with a grain of salt. They don't look right. I've seen other renders where the startscreen showed an extra column. It would allow for two wide tiles to be pinned side by side and be more consistent with the windows 10 for pc start menu design. And it would also be in line with the desktop screen rendering in continuum mode that would resemble the start menu for pcs. A universal design.
I was so looking forward to buying one of these phone, but the design just turned me off. even the 1520 had a better look to it. But, i think i'm still gonna hold off on getting a new phone until i get to see it in hand. i'm like hoping that all teh renders thus far is just a marketing ploy to hide the real design. u know, misinformation. like lower our expectations so much that when the official picture gets released looking nothing like the sorry design above, people will be like all over it declaring their once forsaken love all over again! oh please let it be true!! i'm like genuienly sad =( i've been waiting a long time to upgrade my windows phone. but at the moment, it really doesn't look like its gonna happen ='(
Well I hope that. But I dont think so. This is the phone accept it
Packing decent hardware to ugly plastic does not really make this a highend phone. Still looking forward to 1040 or 1540 wishing them to be prettier than this..
I think the image shows a 640XL with wrong camera placement. May be a fake picture? ;)
What about the price range for these phones?
I don't know, but I think, my 920 looks nicer than those... just an opinion.
All of my phones are Nokia. Solid hardware! Lumia 920 at beginning wasn't that good because it gets hot in minutes until the latest. There good thing it got is the camera has 4x zoom so I can manually focus in distance then zoom back to take photo. Of cause ISO, speed, etc...
A Zune or Surface design langauge would be eye candies~ but this is bad... =(
Make 950 comments guys
for 950 mobiles
I think expectations have been very high. That's why people seem disappointed. But, still chill people. The only thing that I don't like is the on screen buttons. Rest looks fine to me. Let's see the actual phones in action before making our mind already.
Why are the bezels so deep on such large handsets? And the lack of flair is thoroughly disappointing.
The home button is so ugly when it's part of the screen
Everyone just talking about looks,what about feel,I take it would feel great in the hands
are those soft keys?! :\
These phones if they are genuine will not make me want to buy a windows phone....MS has shown it still cant market a product people want...show this to an iphone or Samsung owner and you have no chance of moving them over to windows....they look so budget in design yeech
..one very disappointed WP fan..
Hahaha This the worst cell ever . Even people are not beleiving keep saying it's just prototype
These are definitely not "Sexy as Hell" !! In fact from the pics, they are far from Sexy. I hope these are not the real devices. I remember when the 920 was leaked, it was love at first site!!! Today is just a :-( day for me...
These pics lool a bit "fakish" to me. Then again phones always look better in real life. It's a bit funny how there's no metal to be found as it seems to be the trend now.I hope they have still managed to make them feel high end. At least no one can say that they look like iPhones!
It's definatly fake. The startscreen has been cut and pasted from windowsphone.com promo images. The phone is probably some other device or not a real device at all. Notice there are no shadows from both the phone and the "continuum" device, but the thing in the top corner has a strong shadow.
Ugly touch keys. When I first saw it, I fell in hate at first site
Wow never seen such ugly Microsoft Designs i must wonde rif an intern with no taste did the design.
I don't know if I'm buying this. If you look at the promo image for Windows 10 mobile on windowsphone.com you see the exact same startscreen as on this leaked photo. It's probably a photoshoped image. It also lookes strange with no shadows from the device and the "continuum" device.
"Matte White or black polycarbonate body" But the picture shows a blue handset? And, I do not get how Continuum could provide anything "real" for the user. It IS a cool thing but how could it ever be "cost saving" in total? We have in practicality already full sync of data between WP/iOS/Android/Windows/OSX. (However, I must admit that I never understood how an iPad could be any useful until I actually tried one)
R.I.P. Windows Mobile version
I hope the price of 200 dollars because these phones look cheap. Two years of waiting in vain Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
Ewwwwww!!!!!! Cheap plastic on flagship..?!!!!! 900, 920, 930 have far better design!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are they plastic? Much uglier than the Lumia 830.
That microsoft brand is a naaah, i love the nokia brand on lumias, infact thats the reason why am using WP, nokia knows desingning. Seems like MICROSOFT is killing it.
After the rumoured specs I read yesterday for the Surface phone I'm now torn between getting a 950xl because I've had the 930 for a year or waiting an extra couple months for the Surface Phone...
Maybe the covers can make them look sexy? Now the are just stock phones.
OSK with cheap plastic for flagship?!!!!!! Former flagships are far better in design!!!!!!!
I hope the price of 200 dollars because these phones look cheap. Two years of waiting in vain Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
Why ... MICROSOFT WHAT THE FUXK IS WRONG WITH YOU ?!?! why are those phones round ?! If I want a round phone I would have bought a l640 xL ... I want 4 real 90 degree edges
How can this be made my the same company that makes something that looks as good as the Surface?! That camera on the back looks awful and overall seems a step down from the 93/1520 in design - guess ill be boarding the Android train come next year (albeit with Microsoft Apps, MixRadio and Nokia Z Launcher :P)
On the Phones Calendar Tile is the Monday 26th... Could be January 2015 OR October 2015... Coincidence?
Think I'll be going for a White 950XL. I currently have a 920 and 1520 (with screen issues) and a 640 as a daily driver. I miss wireless charging on the 640 so welcome that back! They look like solid phones, I imagine they're better in the flesh - I wasn't that amazed by the 920 when I saw pics but after owning one I love it. Plus they are damn near indestructable haha! I just hope Three pick them up in the UK, they only seem to stock black versions of Windows Phones!!
i was hoping to finally change my 920 to a worthy sucessor...damn it! 700+ comments on these renders... can we get a poll already?
this phone is sooo ugly! I won't buy this phone that's for sure
Dang it , this shit doesn't seems to be flagship at all , seems like a cheap 200$phone
Metal frame has to be there ! Stupid fucking Microsoft !
I like them. Simple and elegant. Just like Lumia 930. Love it.
Am very sure this is not the final design of these handsets. Maybe MS intentionally made this just incase of leaks..
They look so ugly...RIP Windows Mobile :( MS has failed you...
Just hope the XL specs are right!
Wouldn't it be nice if it looked like this : http://ittrend.am/wp-content/uploads/Nokia-Lumia-950-Atlantis-1.jpg
EW, look like a budget phone. Microsoft's biggest mistake was what they did to Nokia, now they have no chance.
I won't buy anyone of these. Im waiting for the Juggernaut before I replace my beautiful 1520. Love the buttons, the design and well, everything except the corners. Their too sharp. And the bezel is perfectly sized.
Relax guys, what if these are just midrange phones? Who knows, ms is up to something that will surprise us all...
Nice mid-range-looking phones with flagship-specs (no "wow" effect at all)...
If I was the average user (not an expert) with 800€ in my pocket to buy a new phone, I'd hardly spent them on this if I have a iPhone6 and a GS6 in front of me...
Wow... sadly. Extremely big bezels and a design that hasn't moved on much since the launch of the Lumia range by Nokia. One would have hoped that MS would push the design-envelope a bit further after not having released a flagship in almost 2 years.
I waited so long and these are the design they are going to give me?
it's time to change the whole design department! My kids can do better!
Ugly, I am going switch, either android or iPhone. Bye bye windows phone.
While microsoft is firing up best nokia designers out of the industy, nokia is busy posting vaccancies for software giants, expects and great designers to test their products and software, if microsoft cant do something this year or first quater to impress, nokia is coming back 2016. Most people are here for the love of nokia.
It's ugly.
The problem of the 950 render is that it is the black version. No lumia phone ever looked good in all black. Just give me the white 950, I'm ready, take my money please! (I'm a 930 user and I love it).
Wtf is going on with the 950's camera bezel?!? Just horrible! Looks like its a 950xl (or iphone 6s if I don't like the 950xl in the flesh) for me then!
Man, these two got to be the ugliest flagship smartphones this year if released. You have Apple iPhone 6+ and Samsung Galaxy S6+ Edge. Good luck MS with those. The hardware design doesn't seem to have that sort of "character" in them. It's too generic, imho. :(
N8 the best looking phone ever
But these are best Ugly Flagship phone ever
N8 is The best looking Flagship phone ever but these two are Best Ugly flagship looked phones ever..
Very ugly
Peolpe who are downvoting onscreen buttons - you are so 2012-sh. Both phones look to be in the same branch as 640 XL by design and it is one of the best Lumias to handle. Rounded sides of any kind are only suitable for small phones like 4.5-4.7", for 5"+ you better have them flat. Glance is the only thing I am worring about now. No glance - no buy.
Fantastic! Just the shear image of a screen with no buttons is the way to go, forward. I just cant wait for them to go edge to edge. Imagine holding a screen with no edges, traveling, living, watching, working, editing on a clean surface. Drooling! I'm up for 2 xl's
Honestly, I like the design. Of the Cityman especially. The profile with the front glass meeting flush with the body looks great. And the screen-to-bezzel ratio seems much improved over other lumias.
The camera within a black circle is reminiscent of the 830/1020 and part of an obvious Lumia visual identity. The subtle silver ring adds to that, and will almost certainly look a lot better in real life than a render. The ring on the Talkman might be a bit too much, but I'll wait to pass judgement on that.
Are they the best lumia designs? Debatable- just like everything else. But I for one am really looking forward to the official announcement and release of these handsets.
Bring on October!
as much as I love Windows phone, I hope these are not presented since smartphones are really ugly. And on a flagship Device you can't use the polycarbonate. If MS will present these terminals in my opinion, it can close the mobile Department.
Yes, because users stare at their phones from the outside rather than what's inside the screen. You guys are worrying about the wrong thing. Windows Phone fans are becoming worse than Apple and Android fans. If the OS doesn't cut it, you can have the most awesome and sexiest looking phone fail miserably. I myself won't give a crap because I'll be sporting a case to protect it. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Absolutely not appealing look of both devices. Lumia 930, and 830 look way better, and I was kind of hoping the next flagship will be improved version of them, with better specs, glance screen (for 930), and dual SIM option. It wasn't the design that kept Microsoft to 3% of market share, but rather broad perception that there is a lack of application, and stripped down version of current applications, i.e., not being able to send SMS through Skype, whilst the same is possible on Android. Good luck MS...
Flagships are supposed to feel premium + having high end hardware
It made only 1 out of 2 (high end hardware but no premium design and feel)
Here's what's wrong:
It lacks an Aluminium frame, that makes it look like a budget phone
-the camera is coming out of the back frame which doesn't look really good
-and at last, the on-screen soft buttons which are a big no in my opinion, it makes it look cheap from the front, my L1320 looks better from the front than it does...
I hope that they make their designers come out with something better, or otherwise, fire them and get others who are better ~sent from Windows Central App
Time to start a user voice thread on no on screen buttons for the next flag ship. They are pretty dreadful. Acceptable on a cheap phone, but not flagship
I'm laughing that people are deciding how "ugly" the phone is from a fuzzy picture.
Yeah, especially since many people loved the renders Windows Central made last month even though there is virtually no difference. I imagine many of the people whining here will love them when they see hands-on videos and hold them in their own hand, as usual.
From the fuzzy picture to the renders someone else created and linked on the internet. Yet, it's all Microsoft's fault.
LMAO even the 640XL has a better design than both of these.
Am I the only one that hate camera lumps?
great, I will pass on this device. and wait for the true flagship Lumia 960XL which will probably come with S820 which is not overheating and the design of that phone should be better. Bezels are killing me. Couldn't they put those soft keys at the black bezel of the bottom? This device doesn't look like from 2015, it looks like from 2013.
They look pretty amazing! Bezel size seems a little large but I will wait until it's in my hand before I judge... It may help with usability?
Really Microsoft, REALLY? This phones looks like shit!
Aukkh! Ugly design
Looking cheap
Microsoft is the enemy of itself. Ugly phones.
I really don't want to jump ship to Iphone6S Plus. But if this is what I'm waiting for as a replacement to my aging and dilapidated (broken screen and various cracks at the back) 1520, man, I'm not buying it.
I really don't want to jump ship to Iphone6S Plus. But if this is what I'm waiting for as a replacement to my aging and dilapidated (broken screen and various cracks at the back) 1520, man, I'm not buying it.
Take note of all the haters, then see how many of those names pop up in the I bought a 950/950XL threads. There will be plenty.
Certainly, it's always the same. Many people whining here will surely "love" them as soon as the actually get to see them in reality or in hands-on videos as usual.
I will not pass judgement on this phone based on renders/pictures. I will only do so once i have seen it, feel it, hold it and scrutinized it. It is utterly disgusting for fans of the so called windows mobile to be so negativistic based on render. Wait for it to be available and have a look then render your judgement. Give it a fighting chance to prove its worthiness. If after your hands on this is still a s..t thats the time to dismiss it and ding microsoft. I for one would not tolerate such laziness and ineffectiveness on times like this that necessitates producing a truly beautiful, fully functional windows mobile flagship phone. Peace...
I'm thinking the bottom photo is the closest, for one it has the metal ring around the camera, it has a single volume switch (rocker) in place of the two all as mention in a earlier article but really can't be sure if it's 950 or XL but the article did say that only the XL had the metal ring around the camera so my guess is the black photo is 950 XL
the cyan phone is XL
The design is really mediocre, to say the least. Considering that, as well as the lack of capacitive navigation buttons, an awkward power button placement, a significantly smaller display (7.6mm in diagonal really makes a huge difference), probably won't be replacing my beloved 1520 with the Cityman. I will probably wait for the next iteration of Lumia flagships, or else for a new Nokia mobile device.
Wow ugly. Looks like a phone fro 2 years ago. That bezel is huge compared to premium phones coming out now.
Face it, not much changes with smartphone designs; some metal here some plastic there some thinness here some thickness there; the best design will let people forget the body of the phone and focus only on the screen and the content; if these phones achieve that then great, if not then buy a cool cover and be done with it...
They are toooooo big. The max. size I can accept is 4.5 inch. 4 inch is even better for me.
If MS thinks these phones will sell well compared to iPhone 6s and Galaxy then good luck to them .These don't look premium at all
This must be two different models i.e. 850 & 950 given they have different looks (specifically the camera arrangement). No one is going to follow this kind of branding. What isn't working for me in these renders: The rounded corners/edges. Low end Lumia's have typically been defined by this look, does the fact the 640 sold well make MS think it's the best looking phone? The thickness of the front panel on the blue model and the 'step' the case creates on the black model The camera bump. WHY, WHY, WHY????? Just make the casing a few mill thicker so the phone can sit flat!!! Questions Why do these renders have a sub Windows Phone 8.1 home screen? Grid space, phone, mail and music tiles are clearly not from any W10m build. Why does the blue model have four buttons? Assuming the bottom button is still camera the other three are clumped way to close together. Well I guess this is the outcome of canning everyone responsible for the great devices made in the passed three years. I'm pretty sure I'm going to pickup the OnePlus Two for less money and likely see more updates to Microsoft apps.
The home screen is actually from very early Windows 10 Mobile renders (January I think), not from any actual build. I imagine the screen content will be replaced on the final official product images.
You do realise that these two phones have less bezel on the bottom than the likes of the 930 right?
yep every one freeking out over the bottom bezel should take a closer look. it's clearly less than the bezel on my icon
The fuck is this ?
There goes the design. I am all about flat screen that'll work with the tempered glass, and easily removable back cover that would save a lot of pain when we need to swap our dying one...but this. It's just like a US100-ish bad clone of an android flagship Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Very much disappointed by the design of lumia 950... Was waiting for my lumia 920 upgrade to 950 but design is awful!! Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
only one thing i dont like, the Talkman doesn't have Qi charging integrated like the Cityman, only with flip cover
That's it...im switching
Very much disappointed by the design of lumia 950... Was waiting for my lumia 920 upgrade to 950.. But the design of 950 is awful!! Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
Those looks.... do not appeal to me.
:( it'd be cool if it had a similar design to the 830
I am sooo waiting for another year!
I can see many people dislike the design, which is subjective. I do prefer the look of the older flagships like the 930, but I don't dislike this design, the phone itself looks like it would be comfortable to hold and thinner than most other Lumia's which is a big plus. Sacrificing a metal trim in favour of a removable battery and SD card is also fine by me, I will reserve final judgement until I get one in my hands though.
I find it incredible how many people seem to want to buy the new phones just to impress other people... If your criteria for a phone is for other people to notice it, that's just strange to me. Give me a great screen and hardware specs, because I'm the one using the phone, not other people. I think these are nice clean designs. They're not overly inspiring, but at the same time they are not flashy and don't obnoxiously scream "look at meeeeee". I would prefer capacitive buttons over on screen myself, as it makes use of the bezel. I was hoping to see something that still contained the old Lumia heritage, like the beauty that was the 920 and 1520 (both of which I have), but I don't mind these at all. The hardware specs are spot on, I will be getting the 950XL as soon as it is available.
Yeah, people claiming they would be ashamed to tell people they paid USD 500+ for this is childish and ridiculous but that's what I've come to expect from this site too often. In the end it won't matter because many of the people here will change their opinion once they see it in reality as happens every time. The designs are indeed not too interesting but the only thing I actually dislike is the weird camera ring on the 950, otherwise they both look fine.
I for one find the Galaxy S6 edge design way over the top... it may be eye catching, but it is not a design that will age well, it's too garish and in your face. Not to mention that everyone is losing their mind over LEAKED RENDERS. Not production units, not official marketing photos.
It's the way of the world, or rather this site, to first lose your mind over something and like it in the end. ;) I'm sure many people crying now will love them once they can experience them in a store. However, I would actually expect these to be official pictures apart from the screen content, though of course these won't be the only official images.
It's pretty much the way on any tech site. Lose your mind first, rant and rave for months and then, once the product hits, be a fanboy. The renders for the 1520 didn't look great either, in fact, they looked downright boring. Especially the white (which I have). In real life, the phone is a really nice design, especially the matt finish, and the way it feels in the hand. It will be the same with these. I will take ergonomics in a phone over looks any day.

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