First wave of Windows 10 preview for phone likely to include HTC One, Lumia 1020, Lumia 1520

Microsoft is increasingly fine-tuning its plans for the Technical Preview of Windows 10 for phones. Due sometime this month, the early release software is testing internally at Microsoft, having gone beyond the tightly lipped Operating Systems Group (OSG) recently.

Microsoft's Joe Belfiore tweeted yesterday on some aspects of the initial tech preview including that there is a limited batch of phone models eligible for the update, support for 512 MB devices (including the Lumia 520) and plans still for a February release. Now, some internal data has confirmed at least some of the phones that Windows 10 for mobile is currently working on.

Presently, the HTC One (M8) for Windows, Lumia 1020, and Lumia 1520 are all being used internally by Microsoft to test Windows 10. Of course, this is not the full list of phones. The list is just a partial one of users who have identified their phones using the feedback system built into Windows 10 preview. As expected, the initial batch of phones eligible for the Windows 10 preview are likely to be newer and high-end e.g. Lumia 830, Lumia 930, etc.

This is the good news.

The bad news is more the obvious part: this is an early release, with plenty of bugs. Windows 10 preview for phones is not like the Preview for Developers Program with finalized builds for OEMs and carriers. Instead, this is beta software. Some of the bugs identified by users with the phone edition and using the Feedback app include:

WP10 seems to drain battery very fast, and it gets the device hot with simple things like phone calls
Animations are not smooth
HTC One M8 you cannot hide the on-screen buttons and they are above app bars and the keyboard
Glance screen does not work on WP10 (for HTC One, at least)
Quiet Hours turns alarms off

The point of Microsoft testing this release internally is to identify and fix these bugs as soon as possible, based on a priority system. As such, when Windows 10 for phones goes out to the public, some of these things may have been already fixed. Seeing how the sausage is made is not always pretty.

These (and other) bugs do raise the question though if you should install Windows 10 on your primary phone. At this time, the answer is looking a lot like the one for Windows 10 on PC meaning it is probably not a good idea, at least not the first round. Although the core of the OS is there, many bugs may make Windows 10's initial preview for phone a non-starter for some users.

Thanks, Jesse Leskinen, for the info!

Daniel Rubino is the Editor-in-chief of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft since 2007 when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, laptops, next-gen computing, and for some reason, watches. Before all this tech stuff, he worked on a Ph.D. in linguistics, watched people sleep (for medical purposes!), and ran the projectors at movie theaters because it was fun.

346 Comments

I thought it was released xD
Well this should be expected since since its in early builds .!! Best part is even after 2years my 720 will still be getting the update ...;)
How can you be so sure? Even I am worried that will my 620 will get the final update our not. As both the devices comes in low memory category.
Well microsoft is surely trying on the fact to get there all devices update to w10 .!! Plus majority of WP phones are low memory to have a good customer base and promote the w10 it is imp. To update since WP aint a completely established platform . Its is on stages to be so m sure ;)
Perhaps its the statement by Microsoft confirming that "all windows phones currently running windows 8 or later will get the update" but that's just a guess :)
Didn't we here this type of lies with denim? Remember the phones like the 1520, icon, and 930 were to be updated first since they would benefit the most.
Point taken tbh. But I doubt that'll be the case over here as prioritizing is an entirely different scenario where as dropping the update support for a phone is entirely different. I guess owning a 720 along side my 730 and 930 I'll be happy to eventually get some of the extracts suitable for my device be it timed later onward than to not receive them at all. But that's just my opinion. :)
just unleash the os ms.. You are taking way to long again..Btw where is my denim?
Your opinion is appreciated, carry on.
Isn't Denim A firmware release? My understanding is that the phone has to have specific hardware to take advantage of the improvements Denim brings. It would therefore be pointless to put it on my 920 since it doesn't have the specific hardware it's looking for. Denim is like the BIOS or EFI on your computer, you don't have to have the most recent version flashed to load and use the newest Windows.
There is also the fact the mayhap its the hardware restrictions for some of the features, but other than that there is also the stability improvements, also might be limited to a certain devices but I did see alot of those stability and performance enhancements with the Lumia 720 on denim. :)
Yes, denim is firmware, only enhances some phones, 1520, etc, but denim may help with 10 regarding background stuff, just guessing at this part.
every lumia phone will get it, the first preview will be supporting a limited batch of devices, including a few 512mb models
Most of Windows phones have low memory. If they want to release W10 I'm sure all low-end devices get updated ;)
Personally, I'm sticking with WP8 until I can confirm that W10 on PC and tablet is a goer. Currently, it is not looking good as it forces my desktop to use loads of legacy elements when I want to work in a Metro world unless I choose to launch the legacy desktop. I certainly don't want to end up with 10 on my phone and 8 on everything else, so 10 on phones is entirely dependent on 10 everywhere else for me. So, no preview needed on the phone until 10 is proven to be a sequel to 8 rather than a reboot.
I am getting for my 520 :D
+520 :)
+520 FTW!
+520
You're still getting updates cause MS has a contract to all Wp8-8.1 2 years of 100% support, this is te last year:)
Man, as long as they don't brick my phone....
Hue.
Racism....
Those are sure some crazy bugs
.. Hmm. I think ill take the risk.
The sooner we jump on it the sooner the official release will come out with features we will approve and like.
Happy that my L520 will get it. Otherwise I had to install it on my 730. Not going to take risks though!
That's a good point. Being an early adopter and being some of the first people outside of MS providing feedback is very important. But man, my M8 is my daily driver. I don't know if I can go without being able to hide the on-screen buttons.
My 1020 iz waitinG ;-)
Make it for Lumia 1320 too.... It is also a good phone.
It will be there, but not at the moment. :)
It was the second fastest phone when 1520 released (october 2013) with its 1,72 ghz dual core s4 and dual channel 1gb ram. If it had the 6,7 mp zeiss cam which in 720 it would be the most awesomenest midrange phablet
Looking at the bugs I don't think I'll be installing it on my device as soon as it is released...will definitely wait for the response of other users...I don't want to screw my only windows phone :|
How others do the same. There is enough complaining as it is today.
Fortunately, I have both the 1520 and HTC One M8. I plan to drop it on my 1520. My hope is that it doesn't damage the main functionality which is to make phone calls. I don't expect it will but S happens.
I'm not accepting email invite I like my phone to much lol
I dnt wana install it on my 1320 rather wait for something better i updated to cyan my battery drains very fast how much more with a buugy software
There was an update for the battery drain with cyan through the PFD.
I did update but still if i want my batter to last for a day i have to put it on batter saver the last option that says always( limits funtionality) i duno what happened
To me it sounds like an app check your apps, if you go into battery saver & swipe right you can check majority of app usage,it might help
Whatsaap has the most usage bt wen i was using dev preview my battery used to last fo such a long time even if m using whatsapp then updated Cyan n ma battery drains like nothing even on battersaver
disable background tasks you don't need. some drain battery while not opened and you might not even use them. also you can disable options like feedback and such that will send data, and other options you might not need at the moment. Also battery saver might not be the best to keep your phone with good battery, sometimes I get better battery life without it than with it. there are many ways to avoid battery draining so fast. I would check battery usage and see what's using most of your battery. but that's me. good luck with that
Thanks il try that
Same feelings bro..its one of the best mid range phablet...proud and happy to own it!! :) And WP10 is coming for it too!
Hurry up! MS!
Ummmmmm, this isn't something they should rush.....
Agreed 100 percent. We did a hurry up before and got Vista.
Vista=cringe-worthy. Windows 10 for phones will be a measured process... As it should be
They didn't even notice alarms not working during quiet hours until they released it outside of OSG. This implies their testing process is complete rubbish. Hell, I wonder what time Microsoft employees bother to wander in to work, considering also the Band sleep mode also blocks alarms from buzzing you awake. Is anyone there in the development of these things actively using their own stuff? To have some SQL Server guy need to give them feedback to fix their alarms is disturbing. Can't wait for the bricked devices due to bitlocker bug or other random stuff. Get the popcorn guys.
Lol!... Woooooah Nelly❗❗❗❗ Now, as much as I like being hard in MS I will give them this... They do release products that do work quite nice....
......
In most cases.
Rather wait... Then a buggy OS (even though this is a preview)
If they rush instead of having some glitches it will be buggy as hell
But what if after waiting also we get a buggy OS?
But if you wait then you can get a more useful os rather than have a phone that has more crippling bugs. Remember they are releasing this to the public to use if they want to try it and help them figure out what some issues are. This is not a consumer ready release so there will still be bugs just like the current Windows10 to.
Then don't install it yet.... Lol.
Hope 520 is in first batch as I don't want to install it on 1520.
730 is in? :S
I too want I for my Lumia 730 as fast as possible
With 1020 on the list, can we assume that most devices with s4 will be in the first wave?
Hope that's the case the 820 920 and 1020 are pretty close to being identical
1020 has 2GB of ram, processor is the same than L920.
I think the issue is more RAM thank cpu. But i do expect 1GB and above devices to receive this.
That would be great news for my 925
The 2GB RAM will play into it, but the S4 phones at 1GB should be fine. It has spread been stated that the 512MB phones will have a downgraded experience
The 2GB RAM will play into it, but the S4 phones at 1GB should be fine. It has already been stated that the 512MB phones will have a downgraded experience
Hooooray ^__^
(1020)
That's how I felt. I was getting a little worried they forgot about the 41 mp beast
That is good news. My 1020 is sitting on the shelf waiting for the preview while my 920 continues to be my daily driver. Looking forward to testing it out!
Shouldn't it be the other way around???
Nope. The last major update causes the 1020 to lock up multiple times per day. There was a story not too long ago that it was a known issue and would be fixed in a future update but I've yet to see a fix for it. So...it sits unused while my trusty 920 continues to work like a champ.
I have a 1020, I'm using my 1020 right now as my daily phone. No problems over here.
I too see this problem as well. Phone is very sluggish at the moment. Do not get me started with the camera speed.
Same here, cheers! :-D
1020 working superb here. Retail 8.1 Cyan. 920 in the drawer, working nicely too.
Interesting, my 1020 I'd running cry well. No lock UPS here
Weird, wife has a 1020 and been great...my 920 has a 3g LTE handoff issue that eats the battery when I drive from work to home, only quits unless I reboot phone or force 3g all the time.
Sounds like a carrier or firmware (carrier) issue.
Yeah, I know...disable 3g, works fine, or if I have LTE on and stay in area with only LTE (which is about 95% of where I go, except work), then no issues....phone still under warranty, sent to Nokia about 7 times and they still don't fix it :( Not sure what to do now, just annoying.
Guess lockup issue is hit or miss. My 1020 is working like a dream and will receive the preview. Holding by 920 as backup.
My 1020 is working, but since 8.1 I see the Resuming... screen way too often and for too long. With 2GB RAM, I should think there wouldn't be this kind of issue. I've waited upt o two minutes (I counted) for the resuming screen to finally resume an already open app. It's crazy. Everything was so snappy quick on 8.0. I just hope 10 fixes the speed, because I just cannot give up this amazing camera.
OMG! I thought it was happening on my 1020 only! Have you experienced that when taking a picture with Lumia Camera, sometimes pictures won't be saved and you get stuck on "Saving..."?
You should check a few things (I own a 1020, daily use). This is not a way to request answers, it is a quiet checklist for yourself: Disk space. How much free space do you have? Are there loads of pictures stored on the phone? Perhaps it takes time to load from a huge camera library. Are you on battery saver mode? It usually takes longer to resume if you activate that. Did you ever install the 8.1 preview version? Perhaps there are old "beta" settings on your phone, buried deep down in the system, causing problems. If you use a preview version of 8.1 you might want to factory reset your phone, but ONLY AFTER a full backup of all settings, SMS, pictures, documents, etc. Always make a proper backup to be able to restore the phone, because anything could go wrong.
This sucks, I thought it'll be available for everyone to download by the time they release it, just like the preview for developers
**its nothing like preview for developers.**
Nothing!
Nothing.. -Echoes-
The developer previews weren't alpha/beta software like Technical Preview will be.
palauksim :) svarbiausia, kad isleistu :)
Lumia 920 should definitely be on the list
I hope so but remember, it's the first one. THE Windows Phone 8. It's very old now a days.
It's old..... The best phones go first, as usual.....
...........
The 1520 is the overall best WP device ever. Followed by the Icon/930...
What does that have to do with anything?
Use your imagination...
I agree. For 1GB phones the 920 still has a good percentage of market share.
+920
I want the 920 on the list, too. I'd rather risk having that out of commission than my 1020. Of course, I'll put it on my 1020 if that's the only option but I'll miss the best ever, imaging mobile device, if I end up with down time.
+920
And to all those questioning if the One M8 would get Windows 10. Now you know.
Windows 10 FTW!!
FTW Windows 10!!
I always expected it, I think it's the lumia crowd that thought it rather than M8 owners. However I'm not using it if you can't hide the navigation buttons, most apps don't resize for them and need to be hidden.
huh ! you use titles stop my heart !
Why wht hapand to glance screen? Its very use full
P-r-e-v-i-e-w release. It's alpha/beta software! Not the final release.
Because it is not intended as a daily OS, it is for testing and feedback.
It's simply due to less RAM on other WPs..!! Let em take time..I'll wait....
"Early Builds..Early Builds" :P:P
Yeah...I'm waiting til there's a more-stable version. I have only one Windows Phone, so I'd rather have it work properly.
Yep, the battery drain issue, laginess and other major glitches are a no go for me too. I'll gladly wait a few weeks for a more stable release.
They will fix the bugs and then release the app.. So its pretty safe
The earlier we jump on it the easier it is to find bugs and fix issues. I'm going to be there on day one
Thank you for your sacrifice
My pleasure
If battery drain is as bad as my having to charge every 8 hours. I'm in.
Got to agree. Glad it's getting closer, but I'll wait until the second or third update to be safe.
First flagship of WP 8 is 920, I hope preference order will be in my favor.
That's expected, I still am looking forward to being a beta tester. As a supporter of Windows Phone from the beginning with the htc HD7 on T-Mobile...my 1020 is ready. As well as my 8X.
+1020 x8
+520 x3
Headline joke hue hue
I don't suppose the Lumia Icon would get this either? Probably because of the particular shade of black that was used to coat the phone isn't compatible with Windows 10? or some bullshit.. I'm sure.
+929. We can only hope. That or if we receive denim soon.
No glance and hot temp issue is critical for me...
I would assume the battery drain and hot temp kinds of issues will be fixed by the time they release a public beta. Glance... Maybe not.
Battery drain is crytical
I suppose the upside to not being in Wave 1 is that it'll be more refined when it hits my 920 or backup 635!
what happened to we build our OS from low end to high end... it seems like it build from high end to low end :x
Maybe they are, but those low ends are taking more time to get them working in an acceptable manner.
It seems like the storage requirements get bigger & bigger
Best news of the day! I was worried about my 1020! :)
Wouldn't it be best to release the technical preview to older devices so people could install it on their spare phones?
I hope they're also testing on the Lumia 1030!...
Lool Really hope so!
Blah blah blah what about the 920.
Yeah!!!!
What about 920!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Lumia_920
I hope 920 makes it....
I don't care if my phone self combusts, I want that preview now!!!!
Haha this made me laugh. Plus I'm feeling the same way.
Battery drains fast.. Bit like 8.1 ;) Still not convinced 920 will get. Will be "has to have denim" to get :)
It is not a firmware update -_-
I think kinaton is saying that the Win10 (software update) might require denim (firmware version) to run.
I'm sitting this one out.
Sexxy unibody Lumia1520 is waiting :D
That is 1 buggy preview. No Glance :( hope they bring back Glance.
till time Windows 10 phones arrives i will get a new phone for myself.
"WP10 seems to drain battery very fast, and it gets the device hot with simple things like phone calls" Well, in that case I'm not even installing it on the 930. The phone already has a miserable battery and resembles a frying pan with WP8.1/Denim...
Yes, battery drain is awful on the 930. Try disabling location and motion core, it might help.
But see it this way: With W10, battery life can't get any worse than it is right now ;)
Just turn of whatsapp in background. Your battery performance will be doubled
I don't have motion core turned on, nor WhatsApp...nor anything apart from 6tag actually. I only use the phone to occasionally play Xbox games and the battery still sucks. 2400mAh for a 5" 1080p screen is nowhere near enough to sustain the phone.
Why did you buy it then? Just saying.
Because it was Nokia's last phone for the time being and because I wanted a new phone to use while I waited for Sony to release the Z3C. But thanks to the plethora of problems that the 930 has, it ended in the Care Centre for over a month and I ended up not using it for over a week as a daily driver before I replaced it with the Z3C.
Ok cool
Disabling motion core and location got me 18 instead of 10 hours, at least according to battery saver. I'll try that WhatsApp trick, thanks guys!
Seeing that 930 and 830 had an almost similar battery capacity..it was the main reason I chose 830 shunting away SD800/Hey Cortana. What's the use of it if you need to carry the charger all along?
"HTC One M8 you cannot hide the on-screen buttons and they are above app bars and the keyboard" This made me giggle. I love bugs that occur during software dev that are just ridiculous (or look ridiculous) - I'm curious what kind of changes were made to get the on-screen buttons to move like that haha Part of me hopes this isn't fixed just to see how odd it looks
Aww man, I was ready to take the plunge and put it on my M8, but not being able to hide the on screen buttons is a no go. This is great info though. Thanks for digging this up Malatesta.
These are the bugs found during internal testing and will be fixed before it's released.
So it's a core OS function? Being that the Lumias that have on-screen keys don't have the ability to hide them, I thought it was HTC specific.
I have lumia 620 and I am ready to install windows 10 no matter how buggy it is. :-( Please release it for me
+620
Since the L1020 is getting the preview and its internals are similar near enough the same as the L920/L925 does this mean that they too will officially get the update? The only drastic difference is the camera
1020is 2gb of ram 920 and 925 are 1gb
It will kill me not to install the initial build on my 1520, but being that it is my primary device I am leaning more and more towards not doing so. Although, MS has confirmed that there will be a way to roll back the update, if necessary.
I'm in the same boat bro..
Lumia ICON ???
I saved my 920 as a backup to use as a testing device. If it wont get the preview then I will have to put it on eBay and use my 1520.
I have only one smartphone L1320. I will wait for reviews then after I will try.
I'm just waiting for Denim to use Live Folder. PFD sucks, many bugs and battery drains so fast. So Nope. Longing for the official
PFD works awesome for my 1520. Love having live folders. Just need Denim now so I can have those awesome camera improvements.
My 920/930/1520 have no issues on PFD... But the win10 early build, gonna try it on my 1520 only though.
Can we get the update with preview for developers program?
No you need the Windows Insider app. Sorry don't have a link, posting from the app on my phone.
how can i install the windows insider app???? There is nowhere on the store... LUMIA 925
I had to go to one of the articles with the link to it.
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/windows-insider/ed2b1421-6414-4544-bd8d-06d58ee402a5
Finally some good rumors for my 1020. Lol.
Alright. After today, the build launches within 18 days...
Thanks for the tips Daniel, butyou won't stop me from installing it on Day 1.
"...First wave of Windows 10 preview for phone ..." For God's sake. PLEASE, do not start a post like that at least this week. I thought is was the real think already. I almost died. Wow.
Honestly, did not think of it like that...not sure how else to word it. Also figured people would read the WHOLE title, lol.
Actually I saw first in the toast notification (so no full title). After I opened Feedly and again the title was cropped. Just when I visit the site I realized it was not what I was looking for. LoL
Dan, first: well come back. Second, when you receive a push notification you are not able to read the whole title. :P
Can my dev phone HTC 8X run Windows 10? Got sn Lumia 930 as main device.
535 please! I'm not going to ruin my 1520 which is my main phone!
Within the next few days, expect to see the article "Windows 10 for phones: slow, hot and drains your battery" - The Verge
lol yuuuup
and ONLY available to Lumia 520, 920, 925, 1020, 1520
Others may not have it....Glance is gone...any old app with .xap is not working and...
It would be nice to give us option to rollback to previous version as they said. Then I would try it out definitely. For now I'm doubtful.
I believe the ability to "roll back" is being built into the preview. I guess we'll see when it arrives.
And those of us who have rhe flagship Icon, will still officially be stuck with Windows Phone 8.0 / Black. Thanks Verizon.
Hoping my 630 will get updated to Windows 10 :D
Errr.. We haven't got denim yet and you are talking about windows 10 preview -_-
The Final is ready sometime in H2...
Hey am using L630 can I get windows10?
My 1520 with preview for developers won't even update to denim so it's doubtful that I'll be able to get wp10
Welcome home Daniel!
I'm gonna pass on this initial release.
I want it on my 1320. I think both the phones with 6' screen will get it.
I hope the 820 gets it in at least the second release o.o
Hmm....all these devices have 2 gb RAM . I think that means the ativ se and icon/930 are in and 1 gigabyte phones are out from the first preview?
May be..
920 is a legendary phone, it must be on the list because of respect!
Microsoft and Wpcentral team up torturing users: they squeeze information bit by bit. They don't give you all the way. You can imagine what they get, and what we get. Just kidding.
I assume they already have w10 on their phones,they are limiting themselves and giving us just a lil bit of info at a time(cruel)
as an icon owner, i proly wont get the sucker until 2020!
Gonna take the plunge with my 1520, gonna use 635 as a backup
my hate for windows is increasing lol, PATHETICCCCCCCC WAITING FOR M9 ANDROID, my 1020's periphery-shutting wifi makes me wanna smack the phone into pieces. still didnt receive denim after like 8 month, apps and system are crap, least productive platform & now we are supposed experiment with windows 10. im sorry microsoft i still think ur the most ethical company but down the drain u go
Go back to your lagdroid, we don't want you here
Its a bloody PHONE OS mate..what the hell are you whinging on about. Get another damn phone that suits your needs?
Guess what? You don't have to download these test builds...
Whadda-U-mean "don't have to" ???
So if the 1020, then the 925?
Be mad to do this on your good phone. I will not be bothering this time arround
6 PM MET starting Rollout W10 for Phones
9 AM PST... 10:30 PM IST ;)
Hope the battery drain and heating are indeed just solvable bugs and not "features". :P ;)
http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/9/8003915/windows-10-phones-features-on-l...
First they EOLed 1020 now it's coming back to life. I wonder what stands behind this decision? Is it because they are within the minority and Windows 10 is so buggy that it's the only way to handle the feedback? If yes early adapters should be given discounts on M9/1030/1530 when they arrive...
yeahl it's great that lumia 1020 is in the list....thou 1020 is my daily driver...and use note 4 dual sim as my work phone...now iam worried that built is not very buggy....hope they.iron out serious bugs before releasing the built
Gabe aul pointed out that a few 512 Mb phones will be in the first batch. 630/635 is definitely gonna be there cause of its powerful system and it is fairly new don't know about the others
So no new ETA
I paid to be a Microsoft programmer but I can't figure out how to get the insider app on my Lumia 1520. I can't find the app in the store. Can anyone please help me?
You're a developer and couldn't find a link in either this site, or searching? Here: http://tinyurl.com/koeyomd Top two are US and Canada. I'm sure you can figure out another region after this demo
Check out "Windows Insider" for Windows Phone http://www.windowsphone.com/s?appid=ed2b1421-6414-4544-bd8d-06d58ee402a5
You don't have to pay or to be a microsoft programmer in order to be windows insider.. It is free for anyone who want.
gonna get soon then using 1020
Running on my 1520. Will be happy to see this rollout publicly to shake out more bugs
Bug list so much more :(
I don't care just send it I will charge my phone all day I need be.....Windows 10, Windows 10, Windows 10, Windows 10
Fri 13th ..... surely not!
As with any beta software, there is a risk. Consequently, the Windows 10 preview (and any beta software) should NOT be used on a primary use phone/device. Microsoft will agree with that. Will that stop some intrepid Windows Central community members from ignoring Microsoft and common sense? Nah.
I bought TWO Lumia 520 for testing & comparing
I would like to see the progress of downloads in the action centre like Android
And music player too.
Excellent I was going to use my 1020 as a test subject before going to my daily driver. Can't wait to play with 10
What about 925? I still didnt get official denim update- India Lumia 925.. It doesn't even come under low memory devices!
Can someone tell me if my Nokia lumia 1320 can get updated to win10 my 1320 got 1gb ram
This release is REALLY rough, i think microsoft should have waited a little bit. Having a public release wont help too much for catching these obvious bugs at this stage. I will be waiting for build to load this on any device.
Well you don't have to use it you know.. It's a good idea to let consumers help shape the device as soon as possible. Just saying.
Letting consumers access this early of a build will cause the majority of feedback to be "Scrolling is not smooth", "These toggles are not the same as the ones in other apps" "My battery is draining fast" etc. Microsoft is well aware of the obvious bugs that need to be addressed. If your argument is to let users completely shape the experience of the OS, I would argue that thats a horrible idea. Consumers dont know everything and they definitely aren't UI/UX experts. (Although microsofts decsion to place a bunch of action ui elements at the top of the screen seems to suggest they aren't experts either...) Microsoft needs to have a clear vision for the product they want to release, and then give users the ability to tweak things here or there. The most important part of allowing the public to use preview builds is to catch edge case bugs. All I was saying is that they should have waited another month to iron out the obvious issues.
I see what your argument is, and think that it is a good one. I just think regardless of what Microsoft do people are going to be that way anyways and even worse if they don't give them something.
Waiting a little while for most people will be the best option. I'm sure online coverage showing the changes and quality will be here and when it hits it's best to wait until others say it's pretty stable before using on a main phone.
They really don't have a choice. They said "sometime in February" and here it is, the bloody 9th and look at these rambling moronic comments (not inparticular yours) up and down this thread. Unreal.
This is so true and I agree.
I agree, but they'll just find something else to complain about etc..
I'll have to get a low cost device to get that on my phone, not putting it on my 1520.. :) although my 1520 is super buggy and can really use a firmware update! AT&T! :) just saying.
Man, i want it for the 520 asap,would have to wait more. Want to install it on my secondary phone, Dont want to risk my primary one :P
Release it today and I'll let MS know how it went.
Why is that Threads by Daniel is more interesting than others..! ;) just check the comments made.. Daniel Always scores 100+
I'll wait til the 2nd wave to update my AT&T 1520. I want to wait until after I have the Denim firmware and for the largest bugs from the 1st wave to get sorted a bit.
I'll wait it out a little longer.
I knew it would drain the battery fast just like WP 8.1 preview
When? Patiently Waiting for this update. FYI My country have won the African Cup of Nations 2015. Côte d'Ivoire FTW
Drains battery and gets hot on simple tasks - just like WP8.1 so.
The turning off alarms bit could be a problem.. :)
Looks like they are starting with 2gb phones. Not really shocked by that. With the list of bugs I might wait for a release or two....
I will be installing on my 1020 daily use phone, there should be a steady stream of updates. If we don't install we can't provide feedback to help improve Windows 10 for mobile. Microsoft should offer voucher towards new Windows handsets or something similar to those who participate
Nokia 520 have no glance screen and have physical buttons
Your point? The bugs are for other devices. Nokia 520 has a screen and a processor.
The wave of denim update had not reached my 520 . I am highly sceptical of Windows 10 reaching my device any time sooner.
I'll wait till the final official update... Till then Windows Central will help me to know about Windows 10 for both PCs and Phones. Currently I'm running Lumia Denim and Windows 8.1.1 on my PC. Both of them are working great for me and I'm happy with this.
If there's nowhere on the store then how do u get the insider app?
Try this http://www.windowsphone.com/en-gb/store/app/windows-insider/ed2b1421-6414-4544-bd8d-06d58ee402a5
That worked thank u very much
Check your other questions about this - I answered it
Welcome back Daniel
Gonna put it on my backup device.
Omg I hear crying all over
I must be missing something, Why would they contemplate fixing most of them bugs before I get, That is what I am here for... To run into them bugs and holla at MSFT how many I've found. If MSFT fix them bugs before I get the Os, What am I fixing to report to MSFT? No Bugs??
Internal testing first. Then noob testing.
Sorry, I was being over the edge Sarcastic.
I will install it in day one in my both devices (1520 + 630), I wouldnt mind installing it on my brother's iPhone as well, and my Mom's Samsung Galaxy... even my dad's nokia feature phone.. even my microwave... any damn where.
Please let me know how many bugs you encountered on the microwave install. That one I am very interested in.
I'm not going to jump in just yet I don't think...
We dont want waves.. We want tsunami...
Lumia icon will, of course, be the last to get it. Same hardware as 1520, but bs Verizon refusing to upgrade firmware.
I will install it anyway on my primary phone want to try because m a hardcore user if anything goes wrong I can roll it back
Of course Glance doesn't work on M8... It's not a Lumia
Next week more likely it'll be out. Lets hope!
1020
Think I'll definitely be waiting for the PFD build instead. I use quiet hours on days I have to work and if my alarms don't go off at 1am, I won't be at work at 3am.
What about Lumia 1320???
Comonn..... Denim is not yet released for 1520..... MS started rolling out W10 preview.... Huhhhh
1020...wow...thats a surprise
Waiting for the release on my L1020. I already feel 8.1 is not as smooth as 8 was. I am sick of the resuming.. Screens all over. And the battery drains like crazy. So I'm already on a beta. Somehow these warnings don't seem to have an impact on me.
I will install it if it's released for the Samsung Ativ S AND if it is possible to rollback. If not it's just too risky, official 8.1.1 on Ativ S is flawless.
Thanks to everyone who answered my questions
No problemo
Video will probably be released today at 9pst then preview next Monday same time
According to you the first Windows 10 version will run as lumia 820?
I'm so anxious about this. I totally want to check out win10 buy I only have one Lumia. I don't think we can use this preview in a daily driver.
Any suggestions on l820?
It's for all lumias with 1gb ram surely..
If every one waiting for the reviews, who will give the experience for the preview wp 10..?? We need volunteer... ;)
No 930 :C
Don't worry, some Microsoftees I know own a 930 which runs W10.
No sign of Denim for 1520( India) and MS started selling Windows 10 dreams.... :P
Suffering with lot of bugs on present developer version on my 1020 so I don't have other option...i should upgrade to wp10
Fuck off.. Still don't have denim update
Well, my 1020 is ready...
Is true. This is the same lies with what they said before with Lumia denim. Still even now am still waiting 1520 country variant which they said it will be one of the first to get denim.
Should i upgrade my lumia 820 to lumia 1020? :/
Its better you buy 830,930 or 1520 instead. New hardware compared to the 1020(I am using one). Only thing is 1020 has a 2gb of ram. Better upgrade to 30' model or 1520.
Good to know a 1020 can handle Windows 10. I have no wish to use the Insider's program, I've never used or wanted to use the PfD program either, but it's good to know that when it comes to Windows 10's final release, my 1020 should be updateable.
On my lumia 925 Skype app now. Working so bugy like very early alpha build if this will work on W10 i will be use it on my main device.
Maybe worth adding here again that a rollback feature in the preview version had been confirmed, which the preview for developers program for not have.
I'm on it with my 1520 I can't wait
I love how my flagship powerful Icon isn't included...
Well this is still great news! The feedback system is very helpful. Hope they get most of the bugs out before the preview release this month. I'll be checking out out on at least one of my 5 Windows phones. (way too many)
I'm going to install it on my daily device once it comes out. Yes I'm aware of the risks, but isn't the point of installing the OS to test it out and report bugs or suggest features? I'm not going to go out and buy another device just to test out the software. I want to test it on a device that I use everyday, so I can get an idea how the software will function on my phone with future builds.
I certainly agree with you
Hope the update comes to my 925
I think I'll pass for now
Given HTC's history with nonstandard hardware on WP devices I would not surprised if the major bugs hit the HTC One. I'll load it onto my NL920 with the cracked screen before I sacrifice my 1020.
Bah, Windows 98 was way more buggy than my W10TP as it was crashing at least once a day and W10 doesn't crash at all. So I bet WP10 won't be that bad.
It seems to me, that msft would do just as well to launch it for the older handsets as its those outgoing devices that many users would want to put Windows 10. My ageing Lumia 820 is prime for testing Windows 10!
Waiting for 720
You've been warned. But yet their will be plenty who will complain after being told about the pitfalls.
925...925 ..its more than your eyes can see..
"Glance screen does not work on WP10 (for HTC One, at least)" Does this mean that my M8 will get glance in the future??? - I sure hope so. My M8 is my only device right now, but I plan on installing it ASAP. Waiting (im)patiently. :)
WHEN????????????
On se hyvä jätkä tuo Jesse.
Let me guess... Cyan (or 8.1.1) will be a requrement for Windows Phone 10....That leaves us ICON/929 users not able to get Denim or WP10.... Has anything been said about minimum requrements for it ? Will it NEED Cyan/8.1 with firmware, or will 8.0 GDR3 acceptable for the update ?
I'll try it in the 1020 I used to use but is now SIM Card-less and then move it to my daily driver once I feel comfortable that it is stable enough to use for...daily driving.
As always, the same rule applies: Never install beta software on "production systems". That means don't install it on your daily driver. My fear is that making the beta available to low end devices means folks will: 1) Install it on their ONLY PHONE 2) Bitch and complain when it's not perfect. 3) Spread the "word" that Windows 10 is "slow And confusing just like Windows Vista and Windows 8". While most folks get the fallacy there, all that counts in the court of public opinion is perception. I WILL NOT be installing it on my (currently Developer Preview) beloved 1020... Unless I move to something else as my daily driver.
And no: I'm NOT calling Windows 8 "confusing" nor Vista "slow". I love Windows 8.1 and would never go back to Windows 7.
Stop! Just stop with the common sense and logic already! My take on the test now/complain now conundrum? I will make an age related generalization that most of complainers are youngster who want the latest and are not sufficiently skilled or experienced enough to provide helpful feedback. So they have wrong underlying reason to install and wrong process (on primary use device). I'll even provide my estimated age range for this phenomena: Under the age of 22. There are exceptions to everything in life, but it's the age old adage, "Younger not wiser."
Indeed. Preach it. I've found ONE recent exception to this. I hired him as an intern for our IT company on the spot (Even though he is an avid Android user, he is intrigued by Windows Phone and the Surface Pro).
Talking about universal app for windows 10 in desktop,tablet and phone ,i have a question,how about bluestacks android emulator program? That program still can run in windows 8.1,if the BS developer bring it to win 10, omg...that's mean we can get android in our windows 10 for phone..
I think that the L920 will get windows 10 in February because it seems to be the goto phone in MS research and its still considered by many to be the current flagship windows phone device (the 930 didn’t replace it)
It'll use my old 920 to play with it and wait till the final build to install on my M8, better safe than sorry.
I am personally not feeling the preview right now, I'm a bit scared as I currently own only one Lumia. I would though like to ask everyone else who has a backup phone to try out this preview and join the feedback system so that Microsoft can give us the features that most windows phone users want.:)
Daniel, I don't remember having seen your opinion about the UI changes, personally I hate them. Do you like the way they are moving now with the "Androidsation" of wp10
What are you talking about......
I'm saying that the new UI looks a lot like android and all the new apps looks like android apps. Have you seen the leaked screenshots?
Well, I'm keeping my 930 clean. To whoever is getting the Technical Preview, thanks for testing it for me and the rest.
Make it for Lumia 1320 too
Well, I guess it probably will be like Android if it stays like this. The one thing I have concluded from using Android and WP is that WP is without a doubt more efficient when it comes to battery life.
If my wife's galaxy s5 is anything to go by, android is appalling! It's slow, unreliable, drops calls, doesn't sync emails even on push setting, and she HATES android 5.0. She won't switch to windows phone though as she is afraid of having to relearn everything. She's not interested in tech stuff at all so is just putting up with her phone as she likes how it looks lol!!
I had that same sync issue with my S4 mini. Tell her to try Outlook Preview. That works fine for me. As for all that other stuff, this Note 3 has been working fine for me the 2 weeks I've had it. I've been on calls for hours... 1 here 2 there, etc and haven't had issues. The speakerphone on it however is a different story. And obviously the battery life, that seems to be terrific on WP no matter the size. Not so on Android phones. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
I don't know but this time around im no so excited about the 10 update
When will my 1030 get it?
This is just a thought... As soon as they make your L1030
Hope my 920 is next in line...
If it makes the battery drain fast then don't release it..fix it first.
Note that Verizon's models are not in the list. Pretty much says it all. And I'd bet it's not because it wasn't offered... Avoir VZ
I've been using the TP on my main pc at work since day one and it's been good. But haven't loaded it on my surface pro because cortana/continuum only just came out, but they haven't even given us project spartan yet. Hopefully when it is available for phones spartan will be available. I want the full experience. Maybe I'm in the minority but I browse the web more than using apps on my phone and tablet. Outside from that, I don't see any benefit to upgrading on the phone yet. TBH, when I first upgraded to an 8.0 device from 7.8 I didn't really feel any benefit either. Only when they introduced cortana did it feel new and shiney. But that's just me.
If W10 will not give us full multutasking then I will switch to Jolla Sailfish https://jolla.com/jolla/
same was promised with denim, now my 1520 still dont have it
I'm using 1520, I already joined Windows Insider program but I cannot upgrade Windows 10 Phone. Who can let me know how to update?
what about lumia 535, 730

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