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A look at Microsoft's progress bringing Fluent Design to Windows 10

Microsoft's Fluent Design System is easily one of Windows 10's more exciting new projects. It's an entirely new vision for Windows, rethinking its design in almost every single way. Microsoft revealed Fluent Design in 2017, and it announced that implementing its new design language across all its products will take time. It's a journey that will evolve and improve — which is what we're taking a look at today.

We're months into the development of Redstone 5, so I wanted to see how Fluent Design is coming along so far. There's still plenty to do, but things have improved a lot since we last checked in on the progress of Fluent Design.

Microsoft outlined five different areas of design for its first wave of Fluent Design: material, light, scale, depth, and motion. More of these elements showed up throughout the development of April 2018 Update, or Redstone 4, with continued improvements expected throughout the development of the upcoming Redstone 5 release.

Material (Acrylic)

Acrylic is the most common Fluent Design element that's showing up across apps and the OS itself. It is densely translucent, letting the background and windows behind the current focus blur through. In the latest releases, we can see Acrylic in several locations, including the Start menu, Taskbar, Action Center and My People.

You can also find Acrylic blue effects in the title bar of apps when Sets is enabled now as well, which is something many Insiders have been asking for.

Acrylic is more commonly used within apps, and Microsoft has been painting several of its first-party apps in Acrylic. The Settings app features Acrylic in the sidebar, and Microsoft Edge features Acrylic in its title bar. You can also find Acrylic in Paint 3D and the Skype UWP app.

Calculator, Photos, and Maps are also apps where you can find Acrylic elements. The Maps app has the Acrylic style applied to the top of the window, where the title bar and navigation menus are. Photos has it at the top as well, whereas previous it was featured dominantly in the background of the app.

The Calculator app is easily the best-looking app with Acrylic on Windows 10 right now. Acrylic can also be found in pop-up notifications that appear on the desktop. You can now also find Acrylic and Reveal effects in the Microsoft Edge address bar, which look excellent.

Timeline now features a blurred background when opened in the latest Redstone 5 builds, which differs from the non-blurred background found in Redstone 4.

Light (Reveal)

Reveal is another new design element being introduced with Fluent Design, which follows the cursor when hovering over certain elements within the OS and apps. As of right now, you can find Reveal in the Action Center, Start menu and My People hub, and in XAML based lists and menus.

Microsoft plans to bring Reveal to the Taskbar eventually, but it doesn't look like that'll be for quite some time. Right now, the implementations of Reveal are very inconsistent throughout the OS, with some menus having it, and others not.

Unfortunately, it seems the consistency of the Reveal effect is a little all over the place. In some areas, the Reveal effects bounce light off of surrounding buttons and UI elements, and in other areas they don't. This is incredibly jarring and is something I hope Microsoft gets around to rectifying soon.

You can also find Reveal in some parts of Microsoft Edge, including the address bar, tabs, drop-down Settings menu, and even the Edge Hub. Reveal effects are present in Groove Music, Calculator, People, and Settings. Reveal is also enabled on pop-up notifications but is less noticeable due to the alerts having such a thin border.

The use of Reveal is slowly becoming more consistent with each new Insider build. Redstone 4 is the first Windows 10 update where Reveal is used consistently throughout inbox apps and the Shell. This should improve with Redstone 5.

Depth, Parallax and Motion

Depth, Parallax and Motion are the rarest new design elements being implemented right now. As far as I can tell, there are no known instances where motion has been applied to the OS. I've only found it sparsely in a couple of Microsoft's first-party apps. Motion is the element of Fluent Design that's supposed to give Windows 10 some wow factor when jumping between different areas of an app or the system.

I've found Depth and Parallax effects in the Store app, where some of the bigger images will scroll slower than the rest of the page. It's a cool effect that gives the page some much-needed motion. I've also noticed some minor motion effects in Groove Music and the Movies & TV apps.

The Photos app with Story Remix is where you can find the most of Microsoft's new Motion design. It animates in and out of areas of the app beautifully and fluidly. Microsoft has a lot of work to do getting Motion implemented throughout the OS and in the rest of its apps, but progress so far appears to be good.

Dark and Light modes

Dark and light modes within Windows 10 aren't strictly part of the Fluent Design System, however, they are big enough design choices that it's worth mentioning here. By default, Microsoft sets "light" as the default mode for Windows 10, which is interesting because Microsoft's light mode for Windows 10 is inconsistent. Light mode still features a dark Start, Taskbar and Action Center, which look out of place in light mode.

In regards to dark mode, Microsoft is finally getting around to adding a dark mode to the File Explore and context menus, meaning dark mode is finally a lot more consistent when enabled. It's still not perfect, with lots of inbox apps using their own shades of dark, making things feel inconsistent. Hopefully Microsoft can get around to unifying the shades of dark soon.

Fluent Design is an ongoing journey

The implementations of Fluent Design began with the Fall Creators Update, but we're far from it being complete. Microsoft was very clear that its new design language is a journey that will take several releases to fully realize. The Fall Creators Update is technically the second step in that journey, with the first step being the Creators Update that was released in early 2017. This means Redstone 4 and Redstone 5 will continue to see Fluent Design improvements.

One of Windows 10's weak points is definitely its design language, but with Fluent Design that's starting to change. There's a lot to Windows, and Fluent Design is being slowly implemented across the OS. If there's something you've noticed that I missed, please let me know. So far, the work Microsoft has done with the latest Redstone 4 preview builds is fantastic, and I can't wait to see it continue to evolve.

Updated June 11 2018: We updated this post to detail Microsoft's recent progress in bringing Fluent Design to Windows 10.

Zac Bowden is a Senior Editor at Windows Central. Bringing you exclusive coverage into the world of Windows 10 on PCs, tablets, phones, and more. Also an avid collector of rare Microsoft prototype devices! Keep in touch on Twitter: @zacbowden.

  • That depth and motion gif is so trippy! 😂. Really like how this is all coming along; can't wait for the release! :D
  • "It's an entirely new vision for Windows" Has the author of this article ever even used Windows Vista? I've been poking around through this "new" look, and it is basically just a retread of Vista design implemented into 10 with lots of improvements. It looks fine, but the way the article starts out gives an impression of ignorance about the past.
  • Literally nothing like Vista. Vista design was Aero. Fluent Design has no Aero elements at all.
  • There is a good resemblance to the past with the glassy mouseovers. It may have been called something else (Aero), but these design elements aren't anything new to the eyes.
  • You may need new eyes.
  • Really, where was acrylic and reveal in Vista again because I can't remember seeing them?
  • To be fair, Acrylic does *look* a lot like the blurred glass from Vista/7's Aero. Reveal looks similar to the lighting effect on the Taskbar icons in 7.
  • Fluent is an obviously much improved design compared to Aero, but the surface level visual appearance is definitely a throwback to the past as far as Windows design, with improvements and additional flair. Plus, it was Windows phone 7 and 7.5 that introduced much of that "motion", but without photographic and blur images and transitions. It was simple, but it worked well and was oh so smooth.
  • Personal opinion, I much prefer the look of Vista to anything since but fluent design is growing on me
  • Translucence
  • So you didn't notice one of the core features of Aero which was transparent windows, which they have simply given a different name ?
  • Yea Zac, because the brand name is whats important and not what actually it is.
  • Exactly, nothing like Aero yet people see transparency and immediately say that's Aero with a different name.
  • The notepad still has aero design. MS is doing a good job and we will see all these deployed and consistent across all os.
  • why people like paul even follow microsoft...foolish people.
  • i was one of the rare big fans of vista, ran it on a at the time 6 year old machine and a newly built machine, no way is fluent design anything like vista.
  • I concur. I still like the live wallpapers, small videos as a wallpaper that really looked awesome in Vista.
  • Light in the start menu look great in the ch9 video
  • "The Calculator app is easily the best-looking app with Acrylic on Windows 10 right now."   I think it's the worst one. Absolutely horrible to use with everything being transparent. The idea behind Fluent Design is good but the overuse of it may make the experience horrible, and the calculator is a good example of that. Apps like Groove or the Xbox make better use of it (even though the current use of light grey for everything is horrible).
  • Personally, I find it fitting for Calculator since its a type of app that is best as a small window. While People app is really...really bad, not just because of making the whole window Acrylic, but more on because of bad UI layout still. The Acrylic did make it worse. Which I agree that not everything should be transparent/translucent as they can become more distracting or even bland. Groove Music is indeed one of the best implementation so far. The only problem I have is that the Titlebar and the Hamburger menu don't extend up to the top of the window border, leaving this odd gap where Titlebar is, so unpolished. This is something that they must work on since we are witnessing the mishmash of MDL2 and Fluent Design incompletely. Hopefully, this won't be the case before the release, which I am concerned with since Microsoft isn't really great at accomplishing overall consistent design and completeness of polish.
  • I do think that if the Fluent design was consistent and everywhere in the OS then it would look better. I agree that the layout of some apps could use work but, for me at least, I would prefer more consistency in the UI design first.
  • The layout of apps is literally part of the UI design, so what in the living hell do you mean by "UI design" when you use that terminology in such an oxymoronic manner? It's literally the most obvious aspect of UI design that a user notices when they open up an application. There are 2 other usable desktop OSes on the market, and one of them has a plethora of desktop environments available to it. The other is an example for excellent UI/UX engineering. It doesn't take long to look at a computer and just know what a bad UI is, these days. You may not like all of the design decisions that Apple has made in macOS, but that does not make them bad or inconsistent. What Microsoft has on display, IS chock full of bad and inconsistent design decisions. The entire OS is a cesspool of clashing design language, and they are being extremely sluggish in terms of getting these things consolidated. Even the most simple of Windows Applications/Components - like the Group Policy Editor, Registry Editor, Notepad, WordPad, Snipping Tool, PowerShell ISE (which has AWFUL performance, BTW), Math Input Panel, Disk Optimization Tool, Task Scheduler, Resource Monitor, Event Viewer, Character Map, Steps Recorder, and Remote Desktop Connection haven't been updated to UWP. These are staples in the OS. They are built-in applications and utilities that perform needed functions or are used frequently for their utility. These should be priority uno when you are doing a UI refresh. You cannot control what 3rd party developers deliver, but you can control the base user experience of your operating platform. Microsoft is too lazy even for that. You can rewrite many of these applications for UWP in a week or less. I think this has less to do with technical hurdles, and a lot more to do with the culture in Microsoft. I think it isn't getting done because they simply don't care enough to get it done. They only care about the news cycle now. They are treating Windows 10 the way Samsung treats phones, now, except this isn't some passing FAD that users will "upgrade" to something new (and possibly completely different, running a completely different platform) next year. I was really hoping that Windows 10 would be that chance to ditch Apple, but there is absolutely no way that I could limit myself to only using Windows 10 as a computing platform. Gaming? Absolutely. But beyond that... I need a Mac. I cannot use Windows as a productivity platform. I can barely stand to look at it.
  • Those centred headings in action centre really annoy me on insider builds. So damn ugly
  • Yeah, they really look odd, especially when almost everything is left-aligned. I don't know why they even tried this in the first place. The card-like style of Action Center is fine, but that centered header just don't really fit at all, even Apple doesn't do this even their UI have a lot of centered-align titles and headers.
  • Hopefully those changes don't stay. Almost every change they made to action centre makes it look worse lol
  • Maybe it makes more sense contextually on HoloLens or mobile?
  • Looking good! Though hopefully....hopefully, that they will manage to implement the wave 1 of Fluent Design for Falls Creators Update completely throughout the OS, and hopefully all are consistent. Crossing my multiple-fingers with this. The Motion aspect of Fluent Design is indeed still where a lot of work is needed, especially Connected Animations which are needed for all new apps for next release. It's one of the aspects that they threw out to the window when they started Windows 10 with MDL2 after Modern/Metro from Windows Phone (not the Windows 8.X which is felt like another flavour of Modern/Metro implementation). I'm not counting the current animations on Windows Store or Groove Music to be Connected Animations of Fluent Design since they don't really have a proper and smooth continuity from one page to another. The Photos app is the only working example here at the moment, only they have to work on the performance of it which is still slow to react and load the following instance (not the speed of animation). In terms of Acrylic (blur) implementation, this also kinda needs a bit of work and care. They tend to overuse it like on People app, which is still ugly because they still left with unpolished UI layout, and putting blur to the whole window makes it even more like an amateur rush job. Calculator is almost perfect though, the only gripe I have is the typography in the header title which felt a bit off. In general, there is still UI inconsistencies that have to be fixed. Not the Fluent Design itself as a whole which at the moment is mostly just a facelift, but things like Hamburger menus tend to have different styles and behaviors even across Microsoft own apps. There is still no swipe gesture except for Groove which is still an afterthought implementation. 3rd-party apps like Windows Central, MSPoweruser, and MyerSplash have almost perfect implementation of swipe gesture for Hamburger. For connected animations example, myTube is the one still excels at this way before Fluent Design ever introduced, with nicely choreographed, consistent, smooth and fast enough animations that really make the experience better.  Lastly, the 1px borders on menus and window still look odd and even more odd with the implementation of Acrylic and Light Reveal. It just doesn't belong anymore. Action Center, for example, having that 1px border while the Taskbar doesn't have which looks cleaner. Together, that border clash a bit on Taskbar that doesn't have a border.
  • I agree, my biggest gripe with the FC update right now are those ugly 1px window borders. I really hope Microsoft removes them soon.
  • So how the fluent design usage would affect system resources? Are we going to have slower computers after the update? Will the FC update be optional or mandatory meaning having some security elements?
  • no problem at all on my tablet with atom z37357
  • The FCU can be postponed for 35 days, after that it's mandatory.
  • For your kind information Acrylic is not same as Material. One type of Material is Acrylic. In future there will be many Materials. Same goes for Lights.
  • For your kind information Acrylic is not same as Material. One type of Material is Acrylic. In future there will be many Materials. Same goes for Lights
  • Nice background you have there. I have been using that background since 2013.
  • Cant get video to play...getting error message on Edge. It happens to many of other videos, mainly on!!! any solution?
  • Probably best to ask in the forum as someone else may be getting the same issue.
  • So, nothing new with Microsoft: coming soon and a bit comes a bit earlier
  • And a lot comes never 😄
  • The way the calculator looks with acrylic is really nice and calms me down (that might just be because of the background), but the first Reveal gif makes me feel slightly sick for some reason. Anyway, Fluent Design is still exciting. I wonder exactly how long it will take for everything to be fluent, if that is possible.
  • Light feature can bee seen in Calculator (non-insiders) on RS2.
  • I don't mind the Parallax, but the Light(Reveal) and Gaussian Blur seem awful to me. I still think the Tiles look pretty bad too. Along with the Action Center heading being centered.
  • Hope Microsoft provides a way to disable all this nonsense.   I really don't like that translucent nonsense.  
  • Under Settings>Personalization>Colors, there's a toggle for transparent effects which probably includes Acrylic. I think that's the correct path.
  • Hmm. A synic might argue this yet another round of adding visual clutter... where art thou, Metro? :P Even the tiles... they used to be called Live Tiles before they were renegated to their sorry hidden state in the start menu. Dead Invisible Tiles? :)
  • I've tested out the latest Fast Ring build in VMware and Calculator's Acrylic doesn't seem transparent enough for some reason. It looks fine in screenshots, though. However, Acrylic on the Start Menu and the Action Center don't seem to have much transparency at all and they have a lot of little white dots, unless it's because of being in a VM or because I'm using a dark blue custom Accent color. I'm too scared to even boot Insider builds from a VHD on real hardware.
  • How much will be implemented in my lumia 950xl?
  • You'll probably see most of the connected animations and parallax effects once they're built into apps. The highlight (reveal) effect doesn't really make much sense on a phone, since there is no mouse cursor to hover over buttons (Lumia McLaren anyone?), so you'll probably only see that effect as a brief flash of light when tapping on buttons. As for the Acrylic effect, I believe it's already been implemented to some extent into apps like Maps and Groove, but only where there are buttons or menus that are overlapping other app elements. In other words, if you open Maps, you might see the zoom buttons (which are on top of the map) blurring out the map behind them, but if you open Calculator, the background will be opaque since there are no elements behind it that can be blurred out (although I guess they could experiment with using the wallpaper as the background?). At most, they might add the tiled noise that is also a part of the Acrylic material. Personally I would love to see the Action Center getting acrylic, but I wouldn't get my hopes up on that, since that would require a system update (as opposed to an app update) that might never come at all, or at least, not until the next generation of mobile windows (Surface 'phone'?). P.S. Sorry for the really long reply, but I hope that somewhat clears it up =)
  • Although those reveal effects would appear if you use Continuum.
  • Finally after years of Windows 8, 8.1 and 10 they start making the OS pretty again without overdoing it. I like this a lot.
  • I mostly agree with that. The look of 8-----10 has been pretty ugly if you ask me. It seems like they followed the Android look and ran with it. Supposedly Aero was resource intensive and caused performance issues. I never saw any. So we've suffered with an ugly, bland, flat look for years to follow the crowd. Now all of a sudden we can have blurred background visible and some 3D effects without problem. I still prefer the old Windows 7 Aero look. To each his own I guess. It'd be nice if we had the option to have a "retro" Aero theme for W10.
  • Time to introduce a new version of TILES 
  • I found it very interesting. Fluent design really upgraded the quality of use and style of the Windows 10. Moreover, I noticed that the built-in applications are consistently changing and getting similar.
  • Zero functionality improvement. Zero accessibility improvement. I would rather they spent their time and effort on making Edge fixable or reinstallable. It has crashed and burned on my PC and cannot be fixed. Wonderful programming.
  • you can rest edge in 16232
  • Windows 10 is getting better with every update.Iam giddy with excitement.
  • Has it been confirmed that they are getting rid of the borders? Such an eye sore.
  • Mandatory: "Apply Acrylic to System (Win32) title bars already!" comment. I hate inconsistency.
  • And this is wrong to be stated because it is not true maybe?
  • I really love this design language. it's so beautiful, useful and engagement.
  • Just what we needed; more change for the sake of change, rather then an OS or apps that are less buggy or less of a memory hog, or more functional.  Part of what endears us to Microsloth so much.
  • Zac writes: "Literally nothing like Vista. Vista design was Aero. Fluent Design has no Aero elements at all." Zac, I'm not sure why you say that.  Fluent design does resemble Aero in some notable ways.  The blurry transparency widely used in W7, now called Acrylic.  The new "Light" has echoes back to the task bar on W7 - you remember how the icons would get a moving coloured haze over them as you moused over? I miss those features from W7, and largely it feels like W10 is just retaking ground that was lost in W8.x and W10 (for the desktop UI, I mean, not the mobile UI).  
  • Viipottaja writes: "Even the tiles... they used to be called Live Tiles before they were renegated to their sorry hidden state in the start menu. Dead Invisible Tiles? :)" The reality is this: live tiles make sense and look great when they are permanently displayed, like on my phone and Windows in tablet mode.  HOWEVER, when they are on the Start menu - so only appear fleetingly, there is no point in them at all. All they do is waste a shed-load of space.  On my dekstop machine I really, REALLY want to be able to replace them with icons (the same features for grouping and moving, but icons, not tiles).  And no, the "Small" size tile is not the same as an icon because it doesn't have the text label beneath it.
  • I would like the ability to pin llive tiles to the desktop, even if it was say just a strip on the right side of the desktop.
  • It sounds like you want to get rid of tiles generally.  I've had a hate-love relationship with the whole start screen generally... couldn't stand the idea early on, but now after using it for a while I love it... but it's the limitiations in tiles that bug me to no end.  For example, so many of my tiles are a solid color with just some stupid white icon in the middle.  I hate this, especially when I see it sitting next to a really pretty icon with a full-tile image.  They should ALL look like the later, or better still, give me the flexibility to edit them as I wish (I know there are ways to do it, but those ways aren't built into the OS).   My point being: I agree with you that LIVE TILES are pointless and should probably just go away (or at least be able to just turn them all off globally, rather than  having to do it one by one).     But if you're really railing against the concept of tiles in general, while I wouldn't always have, I would disagree.  I find that even on a desktop machine, which is where I'm at most of the time, I can find and hit those tiles faster than I ever could even with a well-organized start menu.  In fact, although I complained about losing the start menu when we first did, I find that now that I have that option back I actually stick with the full-screen start SCREEN and love it, and there, tiles are king obviously, so I guess I like tiles now too :)
  • Tiles still solve the issue of displaying information before opening the application. Weather... It is 30 and sunny... No need to open the app. Mail... Two messages... Ok open it. Calendar... Appointment is tomorrow. Etc. Even fleeting it is still fast to click start and immediately see what I need without losing what I am doing or opening three or four apps.
  • I feel the design is not there yet. too transparent- transparency looks good in pictures but bad when it actually in the os. stuff looks to cluttered. not enough fluent animations the hover effects is a nice concept but they need to figure how to use it properly. sometimes I feels they use too much cubes in the design. like in the calculator, why does it have to be so cubic ?
  • They need to push it out quicker. The start menu really needs more, especially the icon/tiles
  • Until Windows 10 is full of legacy crap sh*t dating back to Windows 95 literally and File Explorer looks like Windows Vista im not buying such articles and this stupid design. Absolutely unacceptable for a 2017 OS. Apple would never ever allow that and that's why people like them.
  • Yeah, because Apple's Finder is from the future!  Come on now.  Mac OS, design-wise, is quite possibly the least changed OS of the past decade.  And yes, I own a Mac.
  • No, Vista had a horrible implementation of the File Explorer with its left-side tree view, which generally included horizontal scroll bars and no real organization. The ribbon bar is also new. MS offers a separate UWP File Explorer, but it's not widely used. I have it, but I find I still always use the standard Windows 10 built-in File Explorer. Macs might be more consistent, and their UI is elegant, but I find Windows to be far more usable with its combination of keyboard support, deep access to core OS functions, extensible right-click "verb" menu, etc. The Mac seems to put the emphasis on simplicity, which is nice, but as a power user, I much prefer Windows' raw power, which is easy to use through the GUI. And if I want to go to the command line, PowerShell is all poweful, giving access to everything including registry, policies, power settings, networking, and other hardware.
  • No thanks! I dont want them turning File Explorer into UWP nonsense. 
  • Just get rid of the nonsense borders of the reveal effect. They have absolutely no purpose and look plain bad.
  • Exactly, it's so pointless and kitchy. It's all downhill since they kicked out Zune design team :/
  • There is no soul to this "Fluent Design". There are no principles backing it, unlike Metro.
    What is the purpose of "material"? And the light? We've been taught for a long time that interative elements must make themselves look interactive, and have no need for you to pick up a goddamn flashlight hunting for them.
  • wow, slow day? repost articles from 6 months ago and call it new? now that's a writing. 
  • Yeah, it's also comical that this slight recoloring is considered worthy of being called a "design language"! lol A design language encompasses not just what UI elements look like, but also how they work. Combobox's, Dropdown boxes, Listboxes, Checkboxes, Menues, Textboxes, etc also have behaviours, and maybe even specific positioning. On this site, that's likely most easily exemplified by Windows Phone. Pivots were always at the top of the screen (positioning), they instantly let the user know how to interact with that screen, and yes, they also had a specific look (cut off text, the aesthetics of which are debatable). The action buttons are another example. They were always aligned accross the bottom of the screen (positioning). That was always the first place to look if you wanted to interact with the content on screen. Those buttons were consistently paced at the bottom for easy one-hand usability. And they had a rather consistent behavior, for example, users knew that tapping on the "..." would always reveal the button text. These consistently applied behaviours is what allowed users to very quickly grasp how a new app was intended to function. You didn't have to learn each app. You just had to learn the "design language". That central aspect is completely missing from Zac's understanding of what constitutes a "design language". These pieces about UI consistency, when they apply to nothing but coloring, are hard to take seriously.
  • I've also found that they sometimes have different styles of reveal effect even within the same app
  • i love Fluent Design...  
  • Zac, Is it not Motion elements we see when we open Start and Action Center? Both leads to deeper interaction (one with tiles and the other with notifications) Just wondering :)
  • I am missing out on this
  • Turned as much of this off as I can, just dont like it. Blurry background just looks rubbish to me some people might like it but I don't see it as an improvement and just resource hog for lower power devices
  • Put 100 people through an A/B test of pre and post Fluent Win 10 and I would be surprised if 3 people could point out what had changed.
  • I still hate the border reveal effect, which is ugly as well as useless.
  • so this "ongoing journey" excuse will continue for forever as a replacement for "mediocre work"?
  • I guess so
  • When will we get columns? Windows 10 feels like its being worked on by a bunch of amateurs. It’s worse than a small startup
  • I am not an Apple fan, but when it comes to UI they are king. They introduce a dark theme in beta 1 of Mojave and it is flawless already. From the surface of the OS to all the stock apps and dinosaur apps like iTunes...they all look splendid an that in a first release. The problem with Windows has been instead of providing 1 UI control kit and updating this along the way there are 3 seperate UI controls in every Windows release. Also the fact that different teams within Microsoft themselves make their own UI control library (like the Office team) doesn't help. While i perfectly understand different teams make different apps, the final UI should go to 1 QA who specifically looks at UI. That is the only way to reach a consistent UI through the OS and inbox stock apps This issue isn't only for Microsoft. Google is equally worse when it comes to UI. They barely implement material design v1 in chrome and they are already halfway the second wave. The style of the news, maps, gmail app is all over the place too with different functions and different menu fonts... I hate OCD ^^
  • To be fair we don't actually know how long they were working on their dark theme behind the scenes.
    And there wasn't really anyone actually Complaining about windows dark theme until Mac did it
  • Well that is how a design language should be implemented. You work on it until it is done and then you release it in one wave and perfect it in another one. The way Microsoft did it is totally stupid. Some apps had some new elements years ago. Now we are 2 big updates later and Fluent is still all over the place and only in some new apps and some core OS functions. And by the time they are 70 percent done, they introduce another design language and start doing that. Windows 7 was not only the best OS in functionality and stability back this. It is only the only OS where the design language was perfectly implemented. The OS, lock screen, explorer and all stock apps like Media Player where in 1 unified style. Even the addon apps like Live Essentials fit the WIn7 design. And the website like Hotmail fit all with that "7/Live"-design wave. And then Windows 8 happen and we were back in 1988 design style....
  • Windows 7 was full of Windows 3.x, 9x/2K, XP, and Vista-era design languages. The only reason why Windows 8 and 10 were worse, is because Microsoft just added to the lumps of coal that already existed in the OS. As time goes on, and as they upgrade the OS and "try new things," they continuously add inconsistency, but never remove the old stuff. On the flip side, Apple tends to deprecate things immediately when they introduce new replacements. This means that they will remove it sooner or later, which actually signals developers to move on. This is why developers tend to follow Apple where they go. It's a comfortable, informed ecosystem in which to be a developer. That doesn't exist with Windows and Microsoft - at least not for a small fish.
  • Many people were complaining about it. It's awful. Apple doing it just gives a popular point of reference from which to derive more concrete opinions on it, which is why the complaints have grown louder. It doesn't matter how long Apple has been working on it. W hat they have delivered works on day one, for everything. Microsoft still doesn't even have a Dark Theme for File Explorer, and a TON of other apps in the OS. Windows is chock full of Legacy that Microsoft refuses to update. It would take 1 afternoon for an intern to redo the Notepad or WordPad apps in Windows, but they haven't even bothered to do that much. I also agree that Apple's ability to dictate the developer story on thier platforms by not enslaving themselves to "The Enterprise" has worked to their benefit. They don't have any developers complaining about wanting "Classive VB" back. They said "Go Swift or Go Home" nad developers said "Okay, Swift it is..." When they moved from Carbon to Cocoa, developers moved. When they implemented iCloud, Continuity, HandOff, etc. the developers moved. This has allowed macOS to "feel" much better in day-to-day use than Windows, which does feel incredibly messy. It has also allowed Apple to maintain fairly homogeneous development direction throughout their platforms. They are not releasing updates every 4-6 months, but the updates they release are still much higher quality than the big Windows updates, and they actually tackle fundamental issues; not just throw more dishes into the proverbial kitchen sink. Microsoft is doing nothing but adding features to keep Windows in the headlines and give sites like this something to write about. They are putting lipstick on a pig, but it gets messier and messier as time goes on. What they needed to do, was update Windows 7 with something that didn't have multiple personality disorder, keep their mobile aspirations off of the desktop (but utilize their cloud services and what shared API surface exists (i.e. in .NET) to leverage it), and focus the next 5 years on a MacOS 9 -> OS X style redesign of the Windows Operating System - particularly the Consumer Desktop OS (server is a different matter). They could have then offered something akin to XP Mode for the initial release, to tide over compatibility issues, before developers moved over to the more streamlined platform. Also, dropping Legacy Desktop APIs in the process (i.e. MFC, Windows Forms, etc.) from both the OS and Visual Studio. Windows is a jumbled mess at the moment, compared to macOS. That OS has been wonderfully managed by Apple - to an extent that Microsoft hasn't even come close to approximating. Apple went from Carbon to Cocoa and it was not this awful, so the idea that Microsoft is doing something beyond what Apple has accomplished is foolish. Apple has done much harder things with much better experience than Microsoft is managing with Windows 10 - and they also did it faster, while delivering a higher quality product to boot.
  • Really it's all style and no substance. Nothing to see here, just move on.
  • i like windows 10 alot, i just dont like edge because i cant choose my own page or defalt home page when opening a tab, something every browser does exept edge, i keep trying but last only hours on edge. also multi monitor tab suport is shockingly bad still when compared to ie. i have stoped using ie this year and for first time since 1998 i dont use a microsft browser, shame they dont listen to their users there. As much as i love windows 10, things like skype took too long to get ok that friends have all left now.
    Love live tiles and love haveing them like shortcuts on my start menu but how long has windows 10 been out, i ask because if your like me and have loads of programs and software that dont have proper live tiles or even l good looking live tiles then whats the point of live tiles. I have to use 2 third part apps to creat a live tile and one has to run in background for the tile to work, yet live tiles is a major feature of windows 10. Why wouldnt microsft build something into windows 10 for live tile creation, its kinda half arsed attempt atya software design and functionality. I just cant understand how a work in progress can still be in this state so late in windows 10 game, hell how wasnt live tiles creator not supported built into windows 10 and its live tiles from the start?
    Microsft need to get the basics right before they move in with more design changes. It feels like windows mobile all over again. I want microsft windows to suceed but even i am strugling more each day to find reasons to stay. At this time its the pc buildiong enthusiast in my keeps me with windows but Microsoft keeps pushing me away. ps: if you keep breaking peoples machines with official none insider updates then maybe its time to give the user back control of updates. Still none of this is relevant as long as Microsoft dont have a windows mobile presence. I have a android phone and the Microsoft software is shockingly depressing on it. Groove would have been nice if it could have read my s7 edge sd card. skype is good, but outlook and office and cortana feel pointless on mobile platform. I say stop with fluent design till you got the basics sorted plse microsft, i miss drag and droping tabs to different monitors like in ie with 1 quick move, I miss new tabs opening to my default home page, which is google. I miss the ability to stop updates, I wish i have a windows 10 option to build live tiles and not have to run third party software for them to work. I wish i have a decent windows 10 phone that also worked seemlessly with my pc, i supose ill have to keep dreaming.
  • I agree. I need Windows on my Gaming Laptop because it's Optimus setup and I need some Apps for Content Creation and Editing - never mind... the gaming part of it. But on my Backup laptop that I use for a lot of productivity stuff, I'm going to start looking into Linux distributions. I'll even pay for RHEL-WS again if it offers what I need. Windows 10 is a mess, and after 3+ years I have run out of patience with Microsoft and the way they turn a blind eye to the consumer market. We are only here to provide free Beta Testing for large Enterprises. I'm over it. I don't give a flying f*ck about Fluent Design. I spend most of my time in Applications, not googling awful-looking UWP custom controls on a Desktop Operating system. This sh*t was for Mobile, not Desktop. Fix the obvious problems with the system, first... 1. Application Execution Aliases don't work well, because they do not install a Link into a public executable search path. In some applications, I cannot use Microsoft Edge for things like Web Design testing, viewing SVGs in the Browser, etc. because the browser simply does not work with those tools - at all. I have to use Internet Explorer and 3rd party Browsers like Firefox and Chrome. I have already gotten complaints about work not functioning properly in Edge, but I ignore them because I cannot properly work with this application due to it simply not functioning properly with the tools that I use. I now tell people not to use Edge for the Web Applications - it's unsupported. IE, Chrome, or Firefox on Windows. Safari, Chrome, or Firefox on macOS. 2. I installed Office via the Windows Store, and ran into the same problem. Tools that would launch some Office Applications (or integrate with it) ceased to function. When I removed Office, and reinstalled it via ClickToRun, I noticed I had two icons for PowerPoint and Publisher in my Start Menu. The Centennial App icons are still there, but the applications are not installed. There is no way to remove the "dummy" icons, but they pop up first when using Search to open the application, which means I have to scroll through the start menu to start them. It's completely buggy. I'm going to have to completely reinstall Windows 10 on that machine to fix that issue. 3. Inability to remove OneDrive from the system. Even if you uninstall it, and set the Registry Entry to hide it in File Explorer, it still shows up as a folder on your desktop in File Open/Save dialogs on the system... What? Office 2016 installing OneDrive desktop app by default, even after you manually remove it. Insulting. Also, adding it to the macOS Office installer, and not alerting users about this is bad. 4. The Photos app still looks like a rampant hot mess. As does the Movies & TV App. UWP Apps are still missing BASIC features that Windows Media Player had over a decade ago. Variable Playback Speed for Audio or Video, for example. 5. UWP/Store apps are managed on Windows much like the apps on Smartphones. What this means is that OEMs can also bake applications into the "Firmware" of Windows 10, disallowing users from removing them. My ASUS tablet has WPS Office and other apps "baked in," and you cannot remove them because of how the WindowsApps folder permissions work. Every time you create a new user, it installs the bloatware, much like a smartphone. They have basically given OEMs the same level of control of your desktop that they have over a random Android device - unless you want to spend hours reinstalling and updating a massive amount of device drivers and system software (because Windows Reset will wipe all of your drivers and software off of the machine). But that's okay... because they added some completely worthless parallax effect or something to the Windows UI. The bugginess, the unreliability, the complete breaking down of key system components (like the start menu), the ability for OEMs to embed bloatware in a system-protected location (which may or may not have a malware component, think of the Lenovo situation) that auto-installs for every user account, etc. None of that matters, because some blogger on the internet thinks it looks slightly prettier and they can make cool animated GIFs for the internet.
  • Love the new look. It certainly does a ton more than Aero ever did. And besides, going forward is a ton more fun and interesting.
  • I want to see fluent design first in all apps, context menus and titlebars
  • Easy to use, watching World Cup high definition in bongdalu
  • ok, now f*ck off, lame noob
  • In the calculator app, as soon as you press M+ the effect disappears. The only way to get it back is to close the app and open it again. In the calendar (launched off the clock) the effect disappears if you select a different month and year.
  • So when is the Windows Central app going Fluent?
  • Quote: "Fluent Design is an ongoing journey" Meanwhile, Apple can release one macOS update and "Voila! Dark Mode for everyone." Takes 3+ years for Microsoft to give us Dark Mode in File Explorer. The tune is way too positive given how abhorrently sluggish Microsoft is, especially with them mining the sh*t out of our PCs to "help with development and the quality of the product."
  • In a PWA world, will any of Microsoft's Fluent Design effort be visible, or will PWAs unleash the generally poor aesthetics and inconsistencies that Fluent avoids? [[ I remember how Windows Phone UI features like the Carousel (whose demise I mourn) disappeared due to the harmonisation with rival ecosystems (the horrible Hamburger icon which makes multiple screen taps necessary to do what a swipe did with the Carousel). ]]