From the Forums: Just how many Lumias has Nokia sold and some Zune Pass tips

Continuing on our regular From the Forums feature, where we bring you the latest hot threads from our community, there have been a number of discussions that have caught our eye. One of the more debated topics were the Nokia Lumia US sales figures that were circling the web. It was originally believed that the manufacturer has only managed to push out 330,000 Windows Phones since it launched in the states. Head on past the break for the full run through of 'fluff'.

Fool Zune to remove devices from Zune Pass subscription early

An interesting thread was created today by travis_valkyrie, which walks the reader through how to remove devices from Zune Pass device listing before the 30 days wait is up. When you have used all your available device slots for the Zune Pass subscription (a total of 4 devices + 1 reservation for an Xbox) you can only remove a single device per 30 days, with the wait beginning as soon as you hit this limit.

"So anyway, if you've reached the 4 max devices, you may do the amazing "future-time-trigger" trick. This is where you just basically adjust your computers date a day or two ahead (just to be on the safe zone because you won't be able to sign in to your account if the set date is way out or past 30 days) of the date scheduled for the 30 day limit."

This is a really handy tip for those who wish to remove a device from their Zune Pass subscription without waiting the full 30 days. Of course, should you wish to remove more than one device, or simply can't even wait for more than a single day, we strongly recommend contacting Zune support. But be sure to check out the "how to remove devices early" thread for the complete step-by-step and more information.

Invest in Windows Phone 7.x or wait for Apollo?

It's a burning question, one which we've looked at a number of times as well as discussed on the Windows Phone Central podcast. But which is the best choice for consumers? We know that current and previous generation hardware will not be fully upgradable to Windows Phone 8, and will be receiving Windows Phone 7.8, but should you invest in current hardware or wait for the fall?

This is exactly what hariman_dhanjal asked on our forums.

"Well before I get this I just have a few questions. If I get this phone which is 7.5 will I get an update to 8.0? Example: like android phones with 2.3 are upgrading to 4.0 and which are making them much better. I can only get a phone once for a long time so I need a good one."

This is a question which is extremely difficult for any of us to answer. Being deep Windows Phone fans, we're automatically set to reply with "GET A WP IT IS SO AWESOME!", but this is simply not good enough when it comes to the heated question as to whether it's best to wait for Windows Phone 8, purchase a Windows Phone 7.5 smartphone, or go elsewhere (iPhone, Android, etc.)

Running Windows Phone 7.5 (soon to be 7.8), consumers still receive the full experience. While the hardware is lagging behind software development, with requirements for dual-core, NFC and more in the next upgrade, the overall experience is not going to differentiate massively. Windows Phone -as it is in its current form- is stable and useable. It has also been blowing away competitor smartphones in the "Dare to Live" UK campaign.

Miscellaneous: Microsoft supporting other platforms and the almighty TITAN

If there's one thing we're somewhat proud of Microsoft for is their continued support for other platforms. When it comes to Apple products, we've got the Windows Phone Connector allowing consumers to plug their phones and sync them in OS X, as well as the My Xbox app for the iPad. But the average Joe won't see it this way, and should Microsoft appear to leave their own customers in the dark then we can then witness some heated discussions.

"MS actually offering better support ( app wise ) to other OS over their own WP OS. This to me is unacceptable. We are already straggling and being left out with *Official apps* and MS being a Developer of Official apps you would think WP would be the first to get them from MS. Now I understand that other OS are HUGE and releasing apps on other OS is actually better business decision for MS but at the very lease they could release updates/new apps at the SAME TIME for us as well!- IOS now has better Xbox live support then us with a new update they just got! riddle me that.- photosynth being released on IOS before work had even started on the WP version."

Check out the "MS better support for other OS" thread for Se1fcr3ation's mini-rant about how it appears as though the software giant is favouring Apple over its own user base. Our Robert Brand also took a quick look at how Microsoft is being almost too kind to competitor platforms. How do you feel about Microsoft's moves to update apps and release new ones on iOS prior to Windows Phone? Do you feel as though the competitor apps pack more features than Microsoft's counterparts?

To close this FTF off nicely, but on a slight negative note, we have TITAN fan uscdigital who created the thread "Sad times for TITAN buyers", where he runs through the problems he's been facing after actually purchasing the smartphone on AT&T.

"Besides the questionable reception due to the metal chassis or the upcoming fixes that never made it, now ATT has released tango updates for most of their phones besides the Titan 1. Lessons learned: no more HTC windows phones for me. hopefully when Nokia starts using decent cameras on their handsets, I will stick to them for the more respectful update timelines."

Are you a TITAN owner, and if so do you agree with the above snippet? Head on over to the thread in question to voice your opinion. Be sure to jump over to our Windows Phone forum to join in the discussion!

Rich Edmonds
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Rich Edmonds is Senior Editor of PC hardware at Windows Central, covering everything related to PC components and NAS. He's been involved in technology for more than a decade and knows a thing or two about the magic inside a PC chassis. You can follow him over on Twitter at @RichEdmonds.

  • I do believe the XBox Live support is easier for standalone apps (like for iOS) than when it's baked into WP. Maybe this will change with WP8, but as it stands, updating standalone apps will always be easier than releasing OS updates containing XBox Live updates.
    Moreover, Xbox is a brand of its own, and a very successful one at that. It is in Microsoft's best interest to try and reach the widest audience possible, and that (obviously) means giving more popular platforms a higher prority.
    It's frustrating, but it's also the sad truth! Just my two cents..
  • I say HTC has burned a lot of WP customers forever at this point. Myself included.
  • I own a Titan 1, but it's the unlocked european version. Tango came in a timely manner and I have no complaints regarding the phone's hardware. I only have reception problems in areas with weak coverage, which is very rarely the case. Regarding other problems with windows phone, my only serious gripe is that i can't change the country for my MS account. This is a very serious issue for me.
  • Same for me, no probs with euro unlocked Titan 1.
  • Same for me... The reception and call quality is absolutely terrible...
  • I was using the wpcentral app to comment but had to swtich to the computer because the keyboard kept disappearing on my Titan. I would love to have a fix for that. Someday. Anyway, I will be getting a Nokia when WP8 comes out. From what I have seen they are the only company doing anything to support their phones.
  • You could always force the updates. Mildly risky but so worth it! :). Just check out the xda forums or the write up they did here awhile back.
  • Disable as many background tasks as you can, works for me -HTC Titan I
  • I usually only ever have weather and wpcentral as background tasks. The phone just has bad days now and then.
  • My girlfriends titan has terrible reception, never HTC again.
  • Adding poor call quality...
  • Speak for yourself my HTC works great.
  • Interesting. I've known the disappearing keyboard wasn't just me... But reception issues? I'm not alone? That is a little annoying especially coming from Focus > HD7S > TITAN I
  • Before I switched to Windows Phone I had an android HTC Panache (what the MyTouch 4G is called outside the US), and it was horrible.  Not just mine, but numerous Panache owners on forums had similar complaints, if not more.  I could be standing in one spot, didn't matter where, and I could see the reception bars fluctuating from 1-4 bars like a see-saw.  My Blackberry on the same network was nearby showing stead (and usually better) reception.  Maybe some of the numerous issues I had were because it was Android, maybe some of the issues I had were because of my network, but some, if not most of the problems I had with that phone were because it was from HTC.  It's no surprise that when I went to Windows Phone the only manufacturer I looked at was Nokia - which I knew has a history of building quality phones.
  • I agree on the xbox live its hard as its hard coded into it so for any updates they have to do a entire os update,
    and I would disagree that ios is getting much more they have quick play which the app will be useless come novemeber when smart glass launchs
    thats about it I would still say we have achievements and soon to be games that work across all platforms (shadows of the shogun).
  • My contract expires at the end of August, no way will I be getting any of the current crop of Windowsphones, nor will I get HTC phone, regardless of OS due to unfixed WiFi issues on my HD7 thfat drives me nuts. The only question come August is am i prepared to wait for WP8? Doubtful i think... Even though I am a fan
  • I have the titan 1 no problem at all.. But the hd7 omg I loved that phone but it could not connect to any WiFi networks...with my lumia 900 no problem at all.its perfect perfect perfect.... I love it.. I love the fact that it's different from them all...if Nokia sold 33000 in two months.. That's pretty damn good.. You can't get an iPhone like numbers here because a lot of the purchaser are reselling the phone around the world.. Good job att/nokia
  • I just bought 2 white lumia 900 for my wife and I. I had a titan 1st Gen and she had a focus 1st Gen. I love the way the 900 feels on hand and just a beautiful phone
  • Is was just revealed that Windows phone market share doubled from the last quarter in the US. It doubled to 4% from 2% last quarter. So that means of the 18million phones sold in the last quarter 4% were windows phones. That's 720 000. I think that's a pretty solid number. I think that roughly 400000-450000 were lumia phones. That is pretty good folks.
  • Android is selling a million a day so WP 700000 a quarter is pathetic.
  • That's because android is pretty much the only choice
  • While I didn't have the titan, I did have another HTC phone the got worse support the then titan ever did... the surround. Once mango came out, I could never listen to music with the screen off without the device crashing and the only way to recover was through a battery removal reset. Music was the only reason I choose the surround over the titan since the surround had the slide out speaker, but since I had to keep the screen on all of the time, I never had a good charger on my battery. With no support from HTC or At&t for the issue, I'm glad to have my lumia 900 and I'm sticking with Nokia from here on out!
  • For the Lumia 900 alone to sell 1 million units which will equal 5.5% of the total smartphone sales in the US is insane. That would only happen if windows phone had a market share of about 9%. Think about it. Its one phone on one carrier. I think this exceeded Nokia's expectations. The Lumia name is known now. It will improve drastically with wp8. If every carrier had a lumia 900 then I would expect 1 million.
  • Microsoft Zune pass keeps taking $10 out of my account every month and don't receive service from them. I called cs and they told me to delete my card from my live account. I did it and they still r taking money out of my account. #stealing
  • Trolling
  • Great article. I personally don't recommend WP to ppl that want a new phone & are already on Android/iOS because of the lack of apps
  • Apps aren't everything
  • I have a Titan and I really don't have any complaints with call quality or reception. And I really love the camera. Tango from AT&T would be nice. I bought this one off-contract and my contract is up in November, so I'm looking forward to what WP8 phones show up. I'm definitely not writing off HTC though.
  • As a long time user of Windows Phone/Mobile, i swicthed from T-Mobile to AT&T and got a Titan. Having used a T-Mobile Wing and the HTC HD2, I decided to stay with HTC, as I loved the HD2, but the cellular coverage from T-Mobile was terrible, hence the switch. Using the Titan I'm pleased with it's use and don't have any Wifi or connection issues. However, AT&T's total lack of support, especially for the keyboard problems and no 7.10.8107 update, is getting extremely annoying. It seems to me that ever since the Lumia phones have come out that AT&T has abandoned the Titan completely. All I see is Lumia this and Lumia that. Needless to say, come upgrade time I'll probably not get another HTC and I'll wait for the Windows 8 phones. Microsoft needs to take control of the updates out of the hands of the carriers, like Apple does. That's why it's called "Windows Phone" and not AT&T Phone!
  • Windows Update is coming with 7.8 & 8. So the OS updates will be straight from Microsoft.
  • I had a first gen WP7 (The one with the sliding keyboard. What was it called?) that kept giving me the dropping keyboard. Once I learned that AT&T wasn't going to push the fix I called and insisted that they allow me to upgrade early to the HTC Titan II. They agreed.
  • I was disappointed at Lumia 900. I went att store today and played around with it. That polycarbonate felt cheap. I saw the HTC one x and that thing was really sexy!
  • The L900 is a great phone, give it a shot; don't judge the book by its cover in this case
  • Lol. Try and use that one x as a hammer and see how that plays out.
  • I don't have the answers, but I do have the WP sales rankings from AT&T (83 phones offered)
    24. Nokia Lumia 900 Black (27. a week ago, 20. a month ago)
    34. Samsung Focus Flash (30. a week ago, 39. a month ago)
    40. HTC Titan (37. a week ago, 24. a month ago)
    48. Nokia Lumia 900 White (64. a week ago, 69. a month ago)
    53. Nokia Lumia 900 Cyan (54. a week ago, 45. a month ago)
    55. Samsung Focus S (58. a week ago, 60. a month ago)
    62. Samsung Focus 2 (63. a week ago, 68. a month ago)
    75. HTC HD7S (74. a week ago, 80. a month ago)
    78. HTC Surround (77. a week ago, 83. a month ago)
    HTC Titan II is not offered
    Nokia Lumia 900 Pink is not offered T-Mobile (27 phones offered)
    7. HTC Radar (17. a week ago, 10. a month ago)
    16. Nokia Lumia 710 Black (14. a week ago, 13. a month ago)
    20. Nokia Lumia 710 White (23. a week ago, 17. a month ago) Verizon (69 phones offered)
    67. HTC Trophy (37. a week ago, 50. a month ago) Sprint (47 phones offered)
    42. HTC Arrive (39. a week ago, 45. a month ago)
  • at & t is the problem by not throwing the tango version, not HTC
  • Fair enough on that. But I still have problems with call quality(people have problems hearing me) and sometimes to send a picture message I have to restart my phone.
  • Up until the WP8/WP7.8 announcement I was telling everyone to get a WP - especially the Lumia 800 or 900. After the announcement I've had to go around and tell several people not to buy now, and to wait for WP8. It's tricky as the latest Androids are here now, but WP8 is 3 months away at best. I think it'll be more like 6 months in Australia which is a big problem to many! Whether you agree or not, WP7 is now a burning platform - although current users won't notice much difference for 6 months or so until all the native-code apps and games start piling in. To the guy looking to keep his phone for a long time, definitely wait! Better hardware, more resolutions, microSD and 2+ years of OS upgrades (versus one more on WP7) is hard to beat. My phone will be 18-24 months old by the time WP8 is out, so it'll be the perfect time to upgrade.
  • No brainer on the wp 7.8 or wait for wp 8. If you are getting a new phone, wait for WP 8. Unless they sell wp 7.8 with a very very cheap value. Bit now, wait for wp 8.
  • I have the titan 1. Well, it it actually titan 1.1 because my first one died in 30 days. Reception in my house is terrible where my wife's lumia 900 has 1-2 more bars than mine! HTC is low on my list for my next phone(wp8!)