Video Interview with Windows 8.2 Concept Designer Jay Machalani
Last week we reported on Jay s Windows 8.2 concept design. Many Windows fans around the world looked upon the concept animation and screenshots with awe, at a design that could not help to amaze. This week, we decided to have a virtual sit down with Jay and discuss his motivations for designing the concept as well as the impact it might have on Microsoft’s future designs going forward.
Jay primarily uses a Surface Pro as his main Windows 8 machine and feels that “the idea of windows 8 is amazing”, but that there is a problem with “the way both environments [desktop and modern UI] are managed”. The research itself was entitled, Fixing Windows 8, and as Jay explains, he simply “took what Microsoft wanted Windows 8 to be… and made it polished.”
The system focuses on the idea that you are, at times, “stuck with metro elements when you don’t want them.” The biggest issue, as Jay points out, is that “when you want to use one app, you are stuck in its environment”.
Many concept projects are in the works by designers around the world, so why did Jay’s project capture such attention? We believe it is the stunning work presented, but Jay explains to use that he believes his idea caught fire because he “brought solutions backed with research”.
For those of you hoping that Microsoft might be paying attention – they are. Jay will be taking a trip to Microsoft’s headquarters in Seattle at the beginning of January; he states that the company is well “aware that they need to fix Windows 8”. In a discussion the young designer had with one of Microsoft’s designers, Albert Shum, he stated that Microsoft is “working on integrating the desktop more”.
The research that Jay Machalani brought forward focuses on closing the gap between the desktop environment and Windows 8’s new modern UI; he made a point to note how the Desktop “feels like another metro app” and that in true productive environments, you simply need more control over the customization of your working environment.
Jay’s design itself is an idea of Windows 8 where applications, whether they are desktop legacy or Modern UI, can run in either environment. The Windows 8.2 concept doesn’t force the user to choose which environment he wants to work in, but rather incorporates both for the best experience.
In the 8.2 concept, a user simply holds down the Windows button on their device to switch between the desktop or the metro interface, but retains the ability to use both applications; this way, a user is not choosing what apps they would like to use, but instead how they will be interacting with their PC.
In the end, Jay says that the Windows 8.2 concept was just one of the many projects he works on as he loves designing, and it just happened to “really explode”. We will be meeting up Jay later in January 2014 to see how he is getting on with Microsoft and what new information he may be able to share.
Make sure to watch the above interview, it is twenty minutes and a great way to pass some time. Jay is an energetic designer whose passion truly shows in the video. You can also check him out on his website by clicking here.
What do you think of Jay s design – would you like to see his concept become the future for Windows 8.2?
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Some apps are designed for Metro/touch, and some are just Desktop/mouse apps, and that's fine (for now at least). There are just a couple of apps that needs to be addressed by MS. The main issue is that the Metro version of the app needs to communicate with its Desktop cibling. Heck it should be one app, that changes skin based on where you are, or if it's impossible for it to be one app, then at least the Metro version should be able to communicate with the the Desktop version (and vice versa) when switching from one environment to the other! (ie Open tabs, favorites...) On a side note, one thing I really miss in Win 7 is transparency.. why did MS drop transparency!?
If everyone here is so unimpressable, I can't see why there aren't as many amazing concepts as the number of WPCentral users. If you think your ideas are better, put them out on the ground.
You're an idiot. How about that.
I'll give him credit though, he somehow managed to turn the start menu into something the general public will actually hate more than the Start Screen. That's quite an achievement!
It makes so much sense
It doesn't change the fact that hapishyguy's comment is retarded though
lol... Just remember Michael over half of the population has below average intelligence.
As for its proposal though, I hate the "Start Menu of Tiles". I, unlike Michael, am a strong defender of the return of the Start Menus on desktop. They should have never left. However I think the menus must fit the desktop design. And the tiles and the entire metro design doesn't fit the desktop mode. So, even if they don't wish to copy W7's Start Menus design, they should opt for something else. For example, have the menus in black with the texts in white like the charms bar.
It's not possible to make PC's part of the "One experience". Because 99.8% of the programs used on a PC open on desktop. PC users haven't bought into the Metro design. Because, on a PC, it's a useless design language. Which is why they must, to me, firmly separate Metro from Desktop, specially for PC users.
Spamming users with tiles on the Desktop is just stupid. Why insist on the tiles when the user is already on desktop AND the app will open on desktop anyway? So, put the Menus back. Design them in accordance with W8 desktop design (which if you notice, is different from the W7 design). But stop trying to make tiles happen on a PC. They won't. Tiles are useful on touchscreen and mobile devices. Nowhere else. And even on devices...they need to be customizable. Forcing colours upon people won't make them keener on the tiles.
I stated clearly I want desktop and Metro firmly separated for PCs. Those who want Live Tiles and the Start Screen can have them. But those who don't want that on a PC - because on a PC the Start Screen is useless (since all the programms you open take you back to desktop anyway) - can have the same experience they had on W7 but with the improvements of W8 with regards to security, booting up etc.
Also...not pin live tiles to the Start Screen? What's the use of that? That is just stupid.
Pin Live Tiles to the desktop would probably be a much better idea. Though it would clutter the space. Regarding your "I don't know how you can be opposed to having live tiles and have a WP"...yeah...I have a WP because it's what's running on Nokia. Period. If you're a regular here, you should know that by now ;)
On the Start Screen, however, that only works the same way with Apps that are specifically Metro-designed. Otherwise you're living in a place that keeps throwing you to a completely different environment. People don't need to "move on" just because you like it. The facts are simple: the implementation of the touch-design Tiles Menu was poorly made. The vast majority of PC and laptop users - where 95% of Windows users are - don't like the Start Screen with tiles etc just to be constantly throwned back to Desktop. It's pointless to have it. I, for example, was open to have my PC with the tiles. Now I have it booting up directly to desktop. Why? Because I NEVER used anything on the Start Screen. All the programs I use an need (including Microsoft's Office and Windows Media Player) are on desktop. I boot up and shut down the PC without going once to the Start Screen. Once. Like me, many. The only thing that's lacking is the Start Button Menus for easier access. There's no point trying to impose minoritarian tastes on people. It's fanatics about the Start Menu that have to move on and accept that the majority wants to have Desktop and Metro completely separated. Period. Microsoft will be bringing back the Start Menus and separate the Metro UI, whether you like it or not. Because the majority demands it. Just like they brought back the Start Button and the boot to desktop, albeit the screams and cries of a small minority of fans.
They will integrate even close together, just like winRT is fusing with WP8. For coding purposes, it will make everything much easier. Their vision, i hope, is to try something like ubuntu on a phone is doing it, when connected to a LED screen, it become a full blown os. btw is your pc made by nokia?
I totally disagree. I love the snapping feature and wish it could be done with both sides. I agree it would be nice to have desktop apps fullscreen and RT apps allowed in the desktop area.
People who are living in metro enviroment won't pick up the little things Jay Machalani has done because it works fine for them. I personally love the start menu in his design, so much freedom, I probably would have the smallest start menu ever for my personal login. But the amount of applications I need for work... forget about minimalism lol.
But I'm certainly sure he picked the wrong concept video to represent his idea.
In W8, the Desktop is a subset of the Tile/Modern UI system, it runs as an app inside it. That's why we don't see Tile apps on the desktop - it would "loop into itself". What he is doing is taking the Tile UI into the Desktop. Why? There is no good reason to do this if you follow the core design philosophy of W8 (something he says is important to do). Also, a big part of the design of W8 is to entice users away from the desktop, and into the MS Store and Modern UI, in order to sell more hardware and software. Creating a desktop experience that makes it less likely that a user takes advantage of the touch UI goes counter to that. For the Mouse & Keyboard users, there is already third party software to replicate the old Start menu. Why go against two of the core development rules that I mentioned above in order to placate the small portion of users that need a hybrid Tile/Desktop Start menu? Make it a third party offering, and leave it at that. His other ideas were of the same ilk, if I remember correctly - mix the Tile UI within Desktop. If Microsoft does that, they would go against everything they set out to do with W8. Maybe they will, but I think it would be a mistake. There is much room for improvement in Windows 8, but almost all of that is about flashing out the Modern UI part. I can't think of a whole lot of point in making the Desktop portion more touch friendly.
Think of the desktop as literally your office desk and the metro UI as the magazine section in the front of the office.
The two cannot be in the same place.
Cocktail Flow and Facebook should never be on the desktop, these are for downtime. Desktop is for productive Autodesk programs. Part of the responsibility of a designer is to give people what you think they want and not what they request.
Microsoft knows this very well and credit to them for being stubborn on it. From an development point of view, running a metro app side by side next to a desktop application exceeds the 2gig threshold for minimum Windows 8 system requirements. It was one of the reasons why aero was dropped as the hardware would simply be too expensive to push out tablets with 6gb ram.
Let's say that you chose a Metro environment, and you opened the Facebook app. The result is that it will go fullscreen. And when you close it, you have to go to the top of the app and slide it down. It's a good way to close an app, but only for tablet users. For PC users, they really want a quicker way On the other hand, when you choose the desktop environment, and you opened the Facebook app. The result is that it will not go fullscreen, but rather in a "windowed" mode, you can resize it's length and width, minimize, and maximize. To close the app, of course, is to tap or click the X button at the corner. Which will satisfy PC users So from taking your example, let's say the Facebook app was a magazine, since it is best with a Metro environment, you can easily take it from the Magazine section to your own office while having to use it the same thing, your just in a different place.
Let's say that the Calculator app is a table, and it is present in both places cause they both have the same thing with different features. The table in the office has papers, files, computers, and notes. While the one in the Magazine section has of course, magazines. What Mr Jay said about "when you want to use one app, you are stuck in its environment" was that it may not be a negative thing, but it is a true problem. Now I see the reason why Microsoft had to make a Metro version for the Calculator