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New Microsoft Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL slides confirm phones and specs

It is no mystery at this point that Microsoft intends to announce the Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL early next month in New York City.

Today, some slides from an internal Microsoft presentation reveal the phones in all their glory. The images were posted by the Facebook page Forever Nokia Latinoamérica, which earlier leaked the Lumia 550 as well.

Nothing new is exactly revealed as the specifications of both phones, and even their designs have been known for some time now. However, instead of just third-party renders we can get an indication of how Microsoft is going to present the phones to the public.

Included in the images are some photos of the back of the phone and the Continuum dock codenamed 'Munchkin'. The specifications for both phones are repeated below:

Lumia 950

  • Matte White or black polycarbonate body
  • 5.2 inch WQHD (1440x2560) OLED display
  • Snapdragon 808, 64-bit Hexa-core processor
  • Iris scanner (near infrared) for Windows Hello
  • 3GB of RAM
  • 32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot
  • 20MP PureView camera with double LED flash
  • 5MP Wide-angle front facing camera
  • 3000 mAh removable battery
  • Qi wireless charging
  • USB Type-C

Lumia 950 XL

  • Matte White or black polycarbonate body
  • 5.7 inch WQHD (1440x2560) OLED display
  • Snapdragon 810, 64-bit Octa core
  • Iris scanner (near-infrared) for Windows Hello
  • 3GB of RAM
  • 32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot
  • 20MP PureView camera with triple LED flash
  • 5MP Wide-angle front facing camera
  • 3300 mAh removable battery
  • Qi wireless charging
  • USB Type-C

Windows Central can also add some more information to these specifications, including:

  • Lumia 950 will now have Qi wireless charging without a flip cover
  • Corning Gorilla Glass 3 is used for both phones
  • Both phones will have Qualcomm fast charging with included rapid chargers
  • Some countries will have a limited promotion with a free Continuum dock with a purchase
  • Iris scanners are making progress and may be available without the need for an update to enable them
  • Both phones will have Glance

Certainly Microsoft has a lot to overcome in the following months especially with Apple launching the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus today. Do these images change your mind at all about these phones? Let us know in comments.

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Update: Looks like those images must have been legit as Microsoft evidently made Forever Nokia... take them down.

Source: Forever Nokia Latinoamérica

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

1000 Comments
  • So much for an event now.
  • I still dont understand why they went with on screen buttons on the bottom instead of the real ones. No space is being saved as you can clearly see. The spot where the buttons would be, is still there.
  • Because on screen buttons are superior in every way.
  • That's just like your opinion man.
  • The option to turn off irritating haptic feedback wins in so many ways. I've been stuck with poxy vibrating buttons for years because the oem deemed it not an option to access.
  • What does haptic feedback have to do with HW buttons? You can just turn it off in the setting.
  • Read what he said. The vibrate disable was not an option from all handset manufacturers.
  • The real question with that screen is will it support and include glance. Edit: Found it. Yes, it will be included. Sold.
  • I miss that on my one m8 for windows.
  • Paul Kinslow ; Just did the heavy lifting for you by copying from the article and pasting here.. Just for you.. Windows Central can also add some more information to these specifications, including: Lumia 950 will now have Qi wireless charging without a flip cover Corning Gorilla Glass 3 is used for both phones Both phones will have Qualcomm fast charging with included rapid chargers Some countries will have a limited promotion with a free Continuum dock with a purchase Iris scanners are making progress and may be available without the need for an update to enable them Both phones will have Glance
  • Hopefully, the "some countries" include US.  :-)
  • Unfortunately US sales are not meeting expectations so that market is being deprecated along with the Lumia photo apps.   j/k   I think.
  • The apps are being deprecated because it's either being rolled into the Microsoft Camera or they are changing the name.
  • They will probably keep the same policy as always of prioritizing the almost non existent US wp market.
  • lets hope that microsoft actually make this phone available to people in america instead of resticting it like they did the icon and 930, that at least will give it a chance to expand in the us.
  • I think "Some Countries" will be the ones where Windows Phone has failed to make any in-roads. Expect US to be "continuum dock Exclusive to AT&T" even though they said they will be doing away with exclusives. The reason is that one side of a negotiation cannot simply say, we're not playing that game anymore and have things change. If you don't play the carrier game, you don't get to be on their netowrk.
  • Oled with glance? Isn't that a nightmare willing to happen
  • Actually, OLED is ideal for glance because only the active pixels use power and emit light.  Glance on LCD requires the entire screen to be backlit, though dimly, even though most pixels are not going to be lit up.  Glance has logic to move the output around slightly to prevent screen burnout so it's all good.  Several previous Lumias with OLED screens had Glance so it's well tested at this point.
  • Actually there's no backlight on IPS either. Just checked about a month ago. I think it was Nokias webpage about glance technology
  • really? what phones are oled with glance?.  My 930 is the last flagship phone and they didnt put glance on it cause of some memory issue with oled so im really currious to know.
  • My Lumia 925 has an AMOLED screen and glance. It's a beatuiful thing.
  • sweet.  I just realised my 930 is amoled  so not sure what the difference is between oled and amoled, i just know i love them both.  Im guessing oled so that glance could go on cause the 930 has=d some sort of memory in display issue that prevented glance, a feature id love to have.
  • AMOLED is basically Samsung's version of OLED. They are essentially the same thing if I am not mistaken. OLED being the more generic term for the technology.
  • Well Glance was actually designed with OLED displays in mind. Faster reaction times, more efficiency, and it looks nicer with 'infinite' contrast.
  • ill let you know.  I have a 930 and i think its the best phone with 8.1 out of my 6 years of iphones and a g4 android but id have loved to have glance on it.  If glace does prove a nightmare on a oled then its really simply ill turn it off because i would much rather have a oled screen as my 930 has.  But if glance works then im gona be very happy too.  Either way ill wait and see the phone i very much doupt microsoft would put glance on if they hadnt sorted it, after all they didnt put it on my 930 because they hadnt sorted it lol.
  • It would have been another fail if Glance wasn't there..
    Well at least these phones look bit better than on leaked pics
  • I may still buy it as its the best WP, but MS has a lot of work to do on improving the visual apeal of its flagship phones. At at time when market has iPhone 6s, Galaxy S6 edge etc, releasing a phone that looks like a 2012 model is un-pardonable. Especially if Microsoft dreams about pulling in new users to its ecosystem. Heck, even the OS seems to be falling behind the curve now a days.
  • While I'll agree that the phones don't look as "pretty" as the Samsung or iPhones, I'll be happy to take the polycarbonate over metal any day. I have personally witnessed so many Samsung Galaxy and iPhones shatter, dent and disfigure from being dropped, while my polycarbonate Lumia Icon has been dropped several times and still looks great and works perfectly. So, the question is would you prefer rigid, pretty and breakable (or have to cover it with a protective cover hiding the pretty anyway), or would you prefer "decent looking" and flexibly solid that you don't have to cover up? Personally, I'll take the high end specs and the polycarbonate.
  • My polycarbonate 920 & 1020 phone screens shattered with a negligible fall. I got 1020s screen replaced but left 920 aside. So ur point doesn't hold value. Just keep your devices covered and safe so that they wont break.
    And coming to the design, 2015 flagship devices with this design? MS what's wrong with you??! At least have options like 925 design or 830! Make a metal/glass one along with polycarbonate, everyone will have a choice! Anyways, I'm counting days on my 1020 now.
  • My 920 indeed has fallen on tar road while I was getting on a bus and it did held up. It seems that the screen standing tall depends on how it has fallen. If you want to know which phone can stay strong, I suggest you to check phone bump videos.
  • I dropped my 920 from over 12 foot before and my 1020 went through similar abuse with just dents. I only shattered one 920 screen because of a rock. I have an iPhone 6 which fell flat on fresh clean concrete with a case and shattered the screen. A we'll done polycarbonate absorbs much more force and can be much more durable than meta. Metal just feels fancier. That said, I would still like to see a metal Lumia.
  • Me too, see a metal Lumia.
  • The point of slimming down the Lumia line is to not releaes forty thousand different models. Having a whole bunch of design options defeats the purpose of...not having a whole ton of options.
  • My 920 is 50/50 the screen shattered once from a 2 ft fall after I replaced it with a another screen I threw it at my door hard enough to damage the for but it didn't break.
  • He's talking about the body, you're talking about the display... two different things. polycarbonate does tend to jold up netter than metal and glass phones. Also these displays are gorilla glass 3, so they should hold up better as well.
  • i love the look of these new phones but yeh i wish theyd ketp going with the 830-930 designs.  I love the 930 look.
  • How many riot shields do you see made of aluminium? None. How many riot shields are made of polycarbonate? ALL OF THEM, because it's unbelievably tough and almost indestructible (hint - RIOT shield, for use in RIOTS, where people aren't known for being gentle, and tend to hurl large, heavy objects at them).  What matters more - a pretty aluminium surface, or a BRIGHT, FUN, INTERCHANGEABLE polycarbonate one which  protects your investment whilst it bounces back and looks FUN? Yep, the latter. Clearly not many people with much knowledge about materials science on this thread.
  • cool, i am buying one of these so i can shield myself in riots.
  • Everyone just needs to remember not to use Mr Sheen or Windex on polycarbonate surfaces as it degrades the plastic fast. It will certainly ruin the finish and weaken the structure.
  • Lets hope no rioters are reading this thread, or they will simply grab a bottle of windex and render the police defenceless!!
  • There is no way to cover a screen so it won't break, and still be usable. There are things that do a passable job protecting from scratches, but with most any material, the harder it gets (scratch resistant) the more brittle it gets (shatter prone). You just have to hope the phone doesn't land in such a way as to trigger that fault line and crack something. Softer cases on the back certainly help that, by cusheing the impact. A liitle lip on the front helps the screen from contancting anything hard and pointy, as long as it fals on a flat surface. A small sharp rock in the middile is going to be a problem. Some screen protectors will help with that. There are dozens of anecdotes for all phones where the device was left on the roof of a car, slid off in traffic and emerged with minor case scratches, and others where a 2 ft fall from a lap to a carpet yielded a shattered screen. It's a crap shoot, and that's why there is insurance, if you are prone to dropping your device.
  • Damage to a metal phone will depend on where it's dropped. I've seen metal phones dropped on smooth concrete floors with no damage. The greatest damage tends to occur on concrete and asphalt outdoors-but polycarbonate will scuff and the screens will shatter as well. With their recent metal phones, HTC is good not only about replacing screens, but casings as well. But regardless of the build materials one prefers, that doesn'thave to limit styling.
  • Indeed, regardless of aluminium or polycarbonate, if the phone fell in rough concrete and if its quite high, chances it will case damage regardless. Smartphones isn't meant to be dropped anyways though they would likely just survive with some damage but still functional. For me flagship should always go with style + specs + features since it give premium experience and makes it worthy for expensive price. I think its not because its being plastic makes it dull, its just the way it looks make is dull. No material can save if the design is uninspiring to begin with. And lastly, it doesn't matter if you put case on it because first it will be shown on the store and not all people use case.
  • I'm on the opposite end. Where my 920 has a bunch of dents and chips that are noticeable in the poly shell, my One really only has scratches that kind of blend in with the brushed metal. I never dropped my ATIV enough to find out how the aluminium/plastic held up. It really comes down to the personal preference on poly vs metal. I'm metal all the way since I feel like it looks more professional.
  • The Ativ is definitely an entirely plastic phone with faux metal finish.
  • @NOLATechy... Pretty is not same as that of polycarbonate buddy. My Lumia 920 is polycarbonate AND pretty. Albeit a little on the heavier side.
  • Also wireless charging with polycarbonate
  • my 930 is  mostly poly at back and feels very preimium so not too fussed, that new blue design looks alot sexyer than most flagship phones i see and i include the iphone 6 in that, im not a fan of the design on them, though the galaxy g6 series is a huge improvement.
  • i actually apriciate the galaxy s new look but im not a fan, and the last iphone i tohugh looked good was the 4s so for me these are great looking phones, my favorite looking is between a lumia 930 and that curved moto one.
  • The SIM tray in my wife's 920 fails to remain seated after a drop on the corner mangled the polycarbonite to the point where it altered the shape of the SIM slot.   Your point is invalid.
  • As long as the insides say "premium smartphone," I'm less concerned with the outside. 
  • Idunno. How many iPhones and Galaxies are not in a case? Thanks to the polycarb, I have never run a case and that wins the styling department.
  • i dont have my 930 in a case, i dont even have a screen protector and there is  not even a scratch on the screen.  I have a small mark on the metal but its unoticable and ive droped this phone a half a dozen times.  very durable.
  • Nokia designed those phones, Microsoft just changed around small things like adding Windows Hello and specs. Granted, Microsoft could have made their own design in all that time we've waited(McLaren was so sexy that i knew i had to have it when i saw the leaks).
  • More like archived designs which are rejected or because Microsoft di md tweak the design to the point it doesn't harmoniously comes together. Too bad, that McLaren prototype may come out good but also may come out bad of Microsoft tweaks it by a committee without a design sense. Still I wished they try to based from it or just reuse and update the looks of 830.
  • I have to agree with you, it's a big shame they didn't stick with the original mclaren phone as it most likey exhibited much more refined industrial design using existing proven Fabula design language concepts. The 950 and 950XL look like something that was dedged up last minute from the bottom of the scrap pile. They are ill concieved with a very basic and lack lustre design asethetic. Something that sports a much more generic and mid rang android OEM feel IMO.They are in no way a good direction for MSFT and their luxe/flagship line of handsets. MSFT shouldn't have rejected the most visible element of the windows phone aesthetics which includes sharp edges and sqaured off shapes. It was a positive distinction they should have pushed through all they new handsets. Why not look to the well recieved and still pleasing shapes found in the 930 and 925 for inspiration? Looking at the majority of forums it would seem most agree and fans are outright panning the designs as boring, bad and ugly, with a view to waiting for the Surface phone or relying on their existing handsets until something distinictive and befitting of a flagship is brought to market. These were not the flagships phones many have been waiting 2 years for.  
  • i remember the mclaren it had a pretruding camera which was nearly the circumferance of the phone, a horrid lookin tab on the bottom and a very square old nokia sytle, personally i totally understand why they stoped producing that phone looking wise it was one ugly device.
  • I have no problems with the way it looks. I have an iPhone 5s which the contract runs out in November and will be switching most likely to the Lumia 950 XL. Need to get my hans on it first though and test it out. I also want to know if there is any truth in the Rumour of a Surface Phone being launced next year. If they are tru I'd rather hold out for that. 
  • Remember who these flagship phones are designed for, as in not the consumer market. The target audience is the enterprise market.
  • Wrong that isn't the focus. MS (most likely Surface) phones with Intel's CPU will be enterprise driven devices at launch.
  • The Continuum dock is definitely for the mom and pop consumer market. Yeah, right.
  • exactly.  You parents and grand parents and any mid 40s people that dont use computers in the home will love continum, for me and most of the younger generation we all have tablets, desktops, laptops so continuam isnt a huge thing.  But it doesnt hurt that we get continum and it doesnt hurt that our tablets can run the millions of already out there pc software and cough cough apps, i think it might help in time, but we need a linked inbox plse .
  • "You parents and grand parents and any mid 40s people"...What are you? 15? Those are the people that have the money to buy 'tablets, desktops, laptops,' & phones that support continuum. Your younger demographic needs to pay of those college loans. If we had loans, they were paid off long ago. We grew up with computers, BTW, while you whippersnappers don't even remember when phones were cabled to the wall, word processing was done on a manual Royal, TV came through the air not a cable, and physics homework was done with a sliderule. (still have mine and know how to use it, in case I'm ever stuck on a desert island, with no electricity or internet, and need to do some physics).  ;) 
  • i know about 50 poeople i regard then as firneds and out of that 50 they mostly have parents and believe me thatrs alot of over 40s that dont have tablets computers some even still dont have smart phones, but in the last year or 2 that is also changeing, notice i said some.  That means there are peope i know off all ages that have laptops, tablets and smart phones, id say about 20-30 % of the over 40 and im over 40 and dont include myself in this, have just a mobile phone, so im saying that 30% of people i know, again people you dont know will benifit from continum greatly but then again you know the people i know better than me dont you.  I would benifit from it because well i have 1 10 inch tablet 1 desktop, i laptop and well a mobile phone, but when at home its lapy or desktop mostly.  Most people around 20-30 have jobs and are working like people 40-60 but that has nothing to do with it.  Plenty of poeple i know in their 40,s just dont use tech that mouch, granted its geting smaller but there is still a gap.  I a complete tech freekakl but alot of my friend ssimply arent and they manage quiter well with their none smat phone and  10 year old desktops, see continum would even replace their 10 year old machines lol.   Thks for the 15 comment special person.
  • Nope, these 2 phones are for consumers. The rumored MS/Intel phone would be for enterprise.
  • enterprise phones are mostly for text and email ........
  • If that's the case, then Microsoft shouldn't even expect them to sell well in stores and also Lumia will remain niche.
  • it doesnt mater if they are niche cause microsoft has downsized their phone devision so they will make a profit while us 100 million windows users can keep buying what we cansider(yes a opinion) the best smatphone os in the market.  And i mean 8.1 at this stage, hopefully 10 will bring back some of the yet missing features till i can say if its up there.
  • MS can (and have) provided the option to fully control SW buttons. HW buttons require support / cooperation of the vendor. I couldn't ever disable it in my HTC devices.
  • And this is a Lumia. Any problem with disabling haptic feedback you sense?
  • i actually like haptic feedback but its not really something either way i have to worry about.  Gestres beta would be a much more important set of features.  A linked email inbox option, groove without the hamburger menu geting the photo app treatment are ALL THINGS I PUT WAY ABOVE HAVING OR NOT HAVING HAPTIC FEEDBAC.K  tHAT AND A SEXY PHONE, WHICH I THINK THE 950 IS.
  • I'm not disagreeing with you but I've had the option to disable vibration for years now, but I only use Nokia phones so maybe others don't have the option.
  • Here the oem seems to be "Microsoft" and if you buy this, you will be buying a Lumia. So it is a win(disabling haptic feedback) even if it is hardware buttons.
  • And you gave your opinion as well. His opinion however, makes more sense than yours. If they are hardware buttons, like them or not, you're stuck with them, but on screen we can make them disappear if we don't like them. It's all about doing something that works for everyone, not just a few.
  • They are not going to only license these phones right? It will be released by Microsoft themselves and just like the previous poster's Lumia Icon, this Lumia is also going to have the option to disable haptic feedback. If you are going to buy a non Lumia windows phone, may be software buttons makes sense if you hate haptic feedback.
  • how is haptic feedback.something to hate?
  • There can be a legitimate debate about the relative merits of real buttons vs. on screen ones, but there is really no case to be made for capacitive ones. They use up space that could be used for more screen real estate or bigger speakers, are far too easy to hit accidentally, are 'stuck' in whatever form they come out of the factory in, and can't be hidden. I really wouldn't say it's an opinion, because there is nothing...not one thing...better about capacitive buttons.
  • @x I'm tc My Lumia 1520 begs to differ. I have persistent buttons so I can easily get back or to the start screen or Cortana from wherever that use very little power, infinitesimal space inside the phone and no screen real estate and balance the needed bezel on the top of the screen. I mean, just look at the phones up there. That space in the bottom bezel is just being wasted as is the bottom of the screen where the software buttons are. Edit: Also, I have never EVER accidentally hit the buttons on my 1520. Maybe that's an issue with tiny phones or Androids with four buttons crammed in, but anything larger than 5" shouldn't have a problem.
  • when i first moved over from iphone i was really worried about physical buttons, to my surprise i grew to love them straight away, now im thinking the other way.  Im sure once i use this phone i will feel differently.  If is a very nice looking phone.  I dont know if this is technicaly right but with buttons physacly on the phone it makes me feel like i have more screen realastate, thats the big bonus i have with physical buttons.
  • Everythings an effing travesty with you!
  • That's basically the WC comments section in a nutshell.
  • He was quoting The Big Lebowski in his comment, "...your oppinion, man."  It made me chuckle, because this debate has been drolling on and on. So, I responded with another quote.
  • The back button on my Lumia 822 sometimes doesn't respond. Hopefully on screen buttons will fix that issue.
  • So is an opinion that on-screen buttons aren't good... just saying.
  • Telling someone that their opinion is "just your opinion" is like walking into a bakers and telling them "You sell bread", and then walking back out. It's a non-answer, ALL opinions are opinions - what else are they - cheesecakes?
  • dont get your analagy ill have to go back to scholl and learn to read :)) an opinion is an opinion and yeh in comments like this you do have to be carefull and let people know its only a opinion.  Just like going to a bakers, are you gona buy bread or is there something else the bakers make you want.  Best to be clear then you dont sound like a idiot.
  • No, no, they are not cheesecakes. Opinions are like a$$hole$. Everyone has one, and a lot of them stink. Not your own of course.
  • I have to agree with tc, I always loved the home button on my Galaxy phones BUT the last 2 I've owned (G5 & Note 4) the home button has had issues causing some real inconveniences..  Dust, dirt or mechanical issues can/do crop up with any hard mechanical button leaving you frustrated and leaving you 2 choices, either buy a new one(they never seem to screw up while under warranty) or use a add on app/widget go act as your problematic hard button and that damn widget always seems to get in the way since you have to have it on your screen at all times.. Dealing with this issue right now with my Note4 and anxiously waiting for the Nokia 950 release :)  
  • Agree. Can't wait to get away from physical buttons. People need to relax about the small stuff.
  • im not a fan of on screen buttones abut then again 1 year ago i want a fan of buttons on a phone lol.  Tlike you said its a small thing , therws biger issues like a linked inbox lol.
  • No they're not. Not in any way, at all.
  • ...said no-one ever.
  • Nothing is more frustrating when you accidentally touch your physical button during a video or game and you can't hide it. I agree
  • What Microsoft needs to do is make the on screen buttons (black bar) transparent so that bar isn't taking away from screen space... And can still be swiped away
  • It actually doesn't take away the space from the screen. Technically you see the phones which have on-screen buttons they get 54 pixels more than others which don't have on-screen buttons. But I agree with you because transparent navigation bar seems better Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • colour os has transparent buttons, it looks kinda nice.
  • Explain that to me in which way on screen button is superior, back it up!
  • When you turn your phone into landscape mode they spin around by 90 degrees, that makes them superior.
  • I am yet to understand an advantage there. They are not moving from their position. So ease of access is out of the equation.
  • On my 930 I long press the search key to get Cortana...how do you do that with soft keys?
  • Exactly the same way.
  • @2tomtom - long-press works in exactly the same way. I have software keys on my testing phone (Lumia 530) and it works the same as hardware keys.
  • Less accidental touching. I am constantly activating cortana accidentally and it is very annoying. What makes hardware buttons superior? They all offer teh same functionality. As long as there is an easy way to do a hard reset, since you can't access the battery, I don't care if it has hardware buttons or not.
  • I can give a few examples from my use cases. When the screen is not responding, you can hit on the windows button and move out if it is a hardware button. In case of on screen, no chance. When you are using some app for some time and if you wish to go to home screen or go to another background app, it is going to be one step process if it is hardware keys. On screen keys will be hidden and hence you have to make them visible first and then another step.
  • Assuming you can hide them. On the 530 they're always visible, so no difference between HW and SW. I've had apps lock up on a different device and no amount of hammering the HW home button or power button changed anything. It all has to go through the OS and if it's locked up you're likely screwed either way.
  • agreed. I rarely ever accidently hit the buttons. I multitask like a maniac and very much appreciate having the buttons right there, not on the screen. Anyone know if the phones will be touch-sensitive (gloves)?
  • Using on screen button is not bad at all, I hated in before, but when I use 640, i don't feel any problem. if swipe up or down it will disappear so no issue at all. besides, double tap in the on screen button (empty places) lock my phone, which is a bonus of on screen button. only downside is that if it says 5 inch screen I believe it includes the on screen button,  and hence same size screen phone may appear small (my guess), both 635 and 920 has 4.5inch screen officially but I feel like 920 is much bigger since this home screen button may not be counted in 4.5 inch (not sure though)
  • I have both 920 & 640 and 920 definitely feels shaker now
  • Also, does provide some added screen space. On my wife's 735 it has on screen navigation and the buttons will hide to reveal added screen real estate. At first she mentioned there was some getting used to it (to pull navigation back up) but after getting used to it she much prefers the on screen. Assuming the implementation with these on W10M will be same/similar to that experience.
  • Yes it works exactly the same on w10m
  • I prefer physical butone but i have canceled a cgame or left a app becaus ei acciodently press the buttons, so im told on screen they disapear so you dont accidently press them, thats a prety convincing arguement there for me.
  • As long as the buttons can go bye bye when playing a game or a fullscreen video I'm sold. Otherwise the on-screen buttons are a PITA.
  • yes, it does. I used in lumia 640...there is option about what you can do with on screen button....i don't see any issue
  • Agreed
  • I disagree.  I came from iphone to 930 lumia and haveing buttons on phone was worryoing to me, i fell in love with them very quickly, i definatly prefer the buttons on the phone and not software, i am sure ill get uset to it but having the buttons seperate from the screen make it feel like i get a biger screen as there is no butons taking over the realastate.
  • BECAUSE YOU CAN HIDE THEM AND THEY USE UP LESS BATTERY LIFE. Wow.
  • Chill, mam
  • I agree, I prefer the capacitive buttons.
  • You must be an old person
  • You are a rude person and insulting too so your comment is worthless
  • rally you think someones old cause they like capasative buttons.  Tell me did momy pick you up from kindergarden.  You should put dadys ipad away you might get told off.
  • Who's the lady in ur dp? Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • me too, windows phone on screen buttons look ugly and cheap...
  • Except that they look exactly the same as hw buttons
  • On screen buttons can be made to do whatever is required at the time. It saves cost, improves the phone design and will overall be more functional
  • ...and frustrates users because they disappear at the most inconvenient times, and sometimes are very difficult to get to reappear. No, thanks.
  • Just swipe up from the button. There's even a tutorial on how to do it. It really isn't hard
  • It's not the function that's a problem, but sometimes in flicking up other things on the screen gets pressed. It's the most annoying feature on the 640. It has me looking to get an 830 instead of the 950 now. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • So, double tap your phone,slide up the lock screen and behold there are the soft keys. So, on my 930 I press and hold the search key to get Cortana.....how do you get Cortana on soft key phones?  
  • "Hey, Cortana"  We're not animals.  Why are you still touching and holding down buttons??  :)
  • It's not possible to use Hey Cortana at all times and some prefer not to use it. So how do you use Cortana in these instances on your "improved soft keys"?
  • I press and hold the search key... exactly the same way!
  • Exactly the same. I don't understand what's so hard to understand about it. They look exactly the same and function exactly the same. The only difference is that you can hide or bring them up at will. Never had any difficulties on my 640 running w10m
  • How do you guys actually hide the on-screen buttons? They're always visible on my 530
  • Swipe up, swipe up, wax on, wax ... No can't seem to get it...
  • ah tah tah tah tah...more like...show me, paint the fence.
  • On my 930 there is no swipe, swipe, wax, wax. Just always there keys at your fingertips....simple.
  • Always there at your fingertips, even when you are playing a game and didn't mean to hit them. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • ...more frustrating to accidentally touch the capactive buttons, a bizzillion times everyday! Okay, maybe not a bazillion...but enough to make hulk want to smash!  I got a 640XL a couple months ago and it's been so nice to be able to hand my phone to my kid and not have them hand it back to 20 times, because they accidentally hit the capacitive buttons.
  • So right, that's why I totally get the iDevices button design. No illumination and no accidental touching. Most iSheep don't even realize why its designed that way. But I won't tell if you wouldn't. :)
  • You can actually configure them to never disappear automatically, which is what I've done.
  • i love windows phones and flagships so im willing to try it.
  • And you end up with the same amount of bezel anyway, so what's the point, all they do is take up screen space.
  • Screen space is larger to accommodate them in the first place. Thus 5.2" instead of five. Its more accurate to say you get a touch more screen in the 5" models Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • The fact that there is the same amount of bezel is complete a fault of the phone designers. The One has minimal bezel with "htc" on it, which I would've prefered they got rid of to have even more screen real estate. I really don't know why phone designers love so much bezel. If you know you can move or hide the on screen keys, drop the bezel!
  • lol would have loved a front facing speaker there :)
  • No, no and more no.
  • Not a big issue, my roomate has the Lumia 640 and the buttons on the screen places not issue..
  • Maybe they needed the internal space for the windows hello camera?
  • I too wud prefer hw buttons but the sw buttons do mean less physical bezel even if it's not noticeable wen they're "on"
  • But the bezel isn't less!
  • If you have a mouse hooked up to your phone, without a seperate screen or keyboard, then you can use the universal back button that's there on the screen. If you had harware buttons, the mouse couldn't get to the universal back button. Same thing for the home and Cortana buttons.   Sure, hardware buttons are nice, but this way we can always use the back button, or watch a movie at night with the buttons turned off.
  • I get that but how many WP users will actually be hooking up mouse's to their phones..... seriously?
  • i will if my computer desktop breaks and all i have is my phone or if i go away on a holiday i can hook my phone pu to the tv and use netflix or plex, maybe write a email with my wireless keyboard and such, so i can see a few people using it.  I can also see alot of the older generation like momy and dady who dont have computers.  My mother has a windows phone and thats it so shell be geting one of these from me.
  • I used to think the same thing, until i just shattered my 1020 screen and picked up a 640. The ability to hide the on screen buttons with a simple swipe at any time is AMAZING, and also something I didn't know was possible. Makes playing games, taking pics, handing your phone over to someone to take a pic MUCH better.
  • Amazingly, on my 930 I don't have to hide on screen buttons......it's truly amazing.
  • yeh the 930 is fantastic, but i dont mind trying the software butotns, i am a little skeptical but coming from 6 years of iphones and 1 button i was really sceptical to have 3 buttons lol.
  • Well, onscreen buttons can be hidden so that in a fullscreen game for example you don't hit them by mistake. That's just the first reason that comes to mind.
  • When an application such as a game or video player need the space where the buttons are the buttons are pushed away. You have to swipe to get your buttons back just like the curtain menu on top. I used to think just the same but after trying it out with the lumia 640XL I'm now convinced the fake buttons are a much better choice. 
  • the bottom bezel is about half or 2/3the size of the bezel on my Icon. It's too small
  • Having disassembled a few Lumia devices with capacitive buttons, it does take up a lot of room for the electronics and lights. There is a lot of room being saved, in comparison to the size of the screen, so I would say for the sake of space, it is a win. However, it will take getting used to, but at least the cursed search button can be hidden in games now!
  • Does not explain how both Samsung and Apple manage to fit everything into their (thinner!) phones and still have Mechanical buttons WITH biometric sensors in the lower bezel. Sorry, but it's just lazy engineering if you can't even fit a capacitive strip and LEDs (which can have thickness in the order of micrometers). All Microsoft had to do was keep the keys and make them smart enough to know when you're accidentally pressing them. They already did that with the notification bar. Swipe once and once more to confirm you meant it. People think just because the buttons aren't on-screen that you can't program them.
  • not all android have capasative buttone actually alot of them dont and well iphones only have 1 button whitch works great with their iphone, its actually fantastic and a fingerprint scanner.
  • One thing I noticed about the on screen buttons from the pics is that they use that space on the lockscreen to display notifications. leaving more room for the big clock and the calendar thing. I think that's pretty cool, if it was capacitive buttons that space wouldn't be used for anything but the buttons, so I'm changing my view on this to say I now like the on-screen buttons.
  • What's up with the dual vs triple flash? I hope the dual flash isn't the same as in the 925, which turns my pictures yellow.
  • If you guys remember. The other big reason was to make it easy for other manufacturers to to make one phone that could run Windows or Android since Android also uses on scream buttons.
  • *on screen
  • Ya know I thought I would've hated the on screen buttons. I thought it was a horrible idea but after buying my HTC 8x I love it and I would never go back. Just try it out.
  • I hate the capacitive buttons too. Once my screen froze, and I couldn't access the onscreen buttons. so much for that.
  • Yea, that is the downside, but luckly being able to soft-reset with power + vol down is very helpful.
  • So you hate capacitive and on-screen buttons. Not much left for you then.
  • Not much choice left for you.  Looks like you gotta go for low end hardware.  You were in the same situation a year ago when there were still some people looking for a phone with a physical keyboard could no longer find one, to their dismay.  Haha.  Well, there's always blackberry.
  • And just like that, these phones became desirable again... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I love the onscreen buttons instead of the actual buttons. So many times I would hit the search or the back buttons..I love the onscreen buttons on my Lumia 640XL.
  • I totally agree. I bought my 640XL from insurance money I got from my broken 1520, and to be honest I did my even notice they were soft-keys until the tutorial startedl. It works brilliantly. I will surely buy the 950XL.
  • Thats why the iphone and many samsungs until lately had physical buttons and not just capasitive. Even with physical buttons samsung phone doesn't have bigger bezzel. MS design fail noob.
  • i dont mind either way as long as i have a windows  phone cause they are great.  Tell me have you tried a windows phone?
  • I read through many of these posts and I think most are missing the point. Switching to screen buttons saves design and manufacturing costs, which is a big deal for HW manufactures building devices that are selling in comparatively low volumes. Furthermore, I'm not aware of anythign that requires a manufacture to implement on screen buttons; they can build physical buttons if they want. In any case, both kinds of buttons have their advantanges and disadvantages so I wish we could all stop saying how their opinion is superior and start saying "I prefer X because..." Seems to foster a more useful conversation.
  • Paying $700 for a phone means you're willing to pay for design and manufacturing costs. It's not a Lumia 640 XL people like me are looking for. If I wanted cheap design and cost saving on-screen buttons, I would, naturally, not be ogling a high end phone. It's as simple as that, and many people miss THAT point.
  • i love capasative buttons but its such a small none issue to me compared to other things like a full featured and runing windows 10.  These new phones look grweat and make me very exited so if i do buy wone im sure non capasitive buttons are just fine.  Like some people already said each have their good and bad points, lets just rejoice in the fact that microsoft is realeasing full fledged flagship phones with some nice specs.  I love my lumia but haveing a 3000 mah battery is something i always wanted, i say more battery not thiner phone lol i want 2 days usage, i would love glance and it looks like im geting thet.  I love my 20 mp camera on my 930 and im so glad they are sticking with that, hoping some sensour improvements, slow mow would be nice too.  And hell wierless chargeing and a new isis scanner as well as a dead sexy blue body hare very apealing, hell this phone had me at Hello.
  • It's less bezel than my 1520...
  • DaveGx I myself was skeptical to on screen buttons after 920 and 1020. But absolutely loves it on my 640. Think it's way better, the possibility to have a bigger screen is just great
  • Exactly. Removing buttons normally means smaller bezzel... clearly this isn't the case here. When soft-buttons are activated they take up some space. How on earth does this make it better? It's retarded thats what it is - IMHO.c
  • you seem to have som anger issues, try using a g4 phone for 2 weeks , it wont help your ander issues but you might start appriciating windows phones.  Why is it retarded to offer a feature so many people want, im a capasative button guy so im on the other side but more people want on screen buttons, hell its such a small issue really.  Why get so mad and agressive over what is a persons opinion. If the software buttons are given biger screen 5.2 instead of say 5 th and that .2 is more than enough space (extra pixels, bigger screen size) then yeh its a huge improbvement caus ewhen buttons disapear the screen will be biger.  When the buttons disapear you wont accisdently hit them while watching you tube vids, you wont accidently hit them and cancell the game you were playing and losse progression because of it, and you wont accidently hit search when your on skype or talking on whats app.  I have done all these things on my lumia 930 and i still prefer these buttons but then again i havent used software buttons, but not used them before dosnt mean i cant clearly see all these benifits.  Actually the only downsiodes are, i have to maybe soft rest phone if any issues, which on my lumia 930 means not this year.  And well swiping to bring buttons back.  If it means my movies, plex and netflix are slightly biger screens and my mages are slightly biger screens on a same size device then hell im all in.  Where is any of that retarded news to you?
  • The big advantage of on screen buttons comes into play when your watching a video or play a game on the phone. The buttons than can simply hide (and be back with a simple swipe) which makes the screen a little bit wider.
  • The on-screen button "bar" space goes away and the screen will take advantage of that extra real-estate. That is the visible advantage.  The non-visible was that the platform enabled support for this type of interface for vendors who didn't want to develop physical button versions for Windows devices when they want to reuse hardware from a different OS platform.  I was on the fence about the hw/screen buttons until I got some quality time with a 640 I bought to replace my brother's 840 he lost and the HTC One M8 that replaced the 1520 my mom broke.  It feels weird for a bit but then ​I learned to like the extra screen real-estate.  I really think people will change their mind.  I am just glad these phones have PHY CAMERA button.  On the 640 and the M8 I could NOT get used to that!
  • yeh the physical camera button isnt gona be going enywhere cause no mater who you are or what age you are we all know a physical buton for camera is just beter, so much so that other android devices have started including them :). 
  • What do you mean? Just a quick swipe up from the bottom hides those on-screen buttons if you want to take in the full glory of your phone screen...
  • Isnt there an option in settings to hide the on screen buttons when not using them?
  • I believe they are doing that because in windows desktop 10 everything is on the screen. The tablet mode has the same buttons that the mobile and they are also on the screen. I also believe that the Surface 4 there will be no physical button. If so, just the same as its predecessors, the Windows button.
  • I disagree, and think the bottom is smaller than it is on my 830. But that's just my guess, we'll see soon enough.
  • I totally agree, we get a phone with a biger screen on a phone body thats the same size as my 930 so they had to get that extra screen space from somewhere :))
  • Yes but can't you make those buttons slide down out of view and thus, more screen real estate when you want it? I'm pretty sure I could do that with my 630 tester.
  • I like on screen buttons so much better now that I've gotten used to them on my M8, don't miss HW buttons at all.
  • Well, whoever took the photos must not have used a Lumia nor office lens....shitty photos...
  • was it you :)
  • You can't upgrade real buttons.
  • Does that mean that you won't be able to hide the navigator like in the 640XL? where you could just slide it up and it will disappear? (In case you weren't familiar with the 640XL)
  • yeah but we'll get a release date and some videos and demonstrations of a phone that looks great!
  • Looks great... Can't wait for this too!
  • What happened to the blue one?
  • Daniel mentioned awhile back that the blue color was for prototype. Also it was just a render after all.
  • yeh i so want the blue one too.
  • And maybe a realease date for windows 10.
  • I would sell for the 950/950xl $400/$500/ Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Already saving for this phone. I'ma buy and go broke
  • Lol nice spirit
  • Million dollar question...What networks will it be available on in the US?  I am stuck with Verizon due to geographic location.  Need to upgrade, but not sure if I will be able to...
  • Yes good question... I'm hoping they have an unlocked version that will work on all carriers. Probably not but I'm trying to be optimistic here!
  • It's a universal band phone, meaning it will work on every network.  If your carrier won't sell it, then just buy it unlocked from the Microsoft Store or other mobile store and put your SIM card in it, and it should work. :)
  • Has that been confirmed?
  • It's universal band, but that doesn't mean you can use it on Verizon.  It's going to be a GSM phone when Verizon uses a CDMA network.  You might want to start looking at some iOS and Android phones for your next, or rough it out with whatever WP you have currently into the future waiting for a unknown amount of time (if ever) for a new phone on Verizon.
  • We know the difference between GSM and CDMA. We're talking universal band / networks like the Moto X. There was a rumor to that but most rumors say no.
  • they arnt gona bring out a new flagship phone at this desperate stage that doesnt suport all the main operators, if they did itll be another nail in their cofin and personally i dont want that to happen cause simply put its my favorite os on a phone to date.  Lollypop being the only android varient i havent tried.
  • Of course it's confirmed. The rest of the world uses unlocked phones. Only in the U.S. do you retards still pay to be on a plan.
  • What a d!c% thing to say.
  • Yeah I ignore people like that... Not worth my time!
  • Besides that.... he's also wrong.... lol. Even the unlocked version will likely not work on Verizon/Sprint due to CDMA vs. GSM. At minimum it certainly hasn't been confirmed.
  • Is funny though...
  • Yep, but then again it's true. Only in the US so many still pay to be on a plan (and get so many expensive phones in that plan because they look to be cheap...) Step up!
  • Some other countries (Canada I think) actually have some pretty bad phone lock in as well, but you are right that it's stupid.  However, you are wrong that any unlocked phone will "just work" anywhere else in the world.  There are a lot of different bands used in different regions so not all "universal" phones are as universal as others.  Hopefully the new MS phones cover all the common bands instead of the old method of having a different variant for each region of the world.  Multi-mode (CDMA + GSM) and multi-band would be even better.
  • Yes, here in Canada our carrier/phone system is similar to the U.S.  It used to be worse in the sense that every contract was three years, now it's been reduced to a maximum of two years by law.  Anyway, if you buy a phone from a carrier it's always locked to that carrier, but thanks to the new law the carriers have to unlock it for you after one month if you ask them to, for a maximum cost of $50.  Of course I always buy my phones unlocked from the Microsoft store anyway, which is awesome, but most people in Canada are still slaves to the carriers.      
  • @vincentwansink Smart man. More sales could make a bigger difference. Let those slaves know. Gently ;)
  • @Caus3Eff3ct you know what you spouted isn't even slightly true. Plans are alive and well in most countries.
  • SHUSH
  • you can do that now with some GSM phones on Verizon but you only get data no voice. I need to be able to make calls now and then on my phone. I do not see them having CDMA onboard or Verizon VoLTE up in time.
  • What do you mean "Verizon VoLTE up in time"? Verizon VoLTE is already here. It's on several phones already even the LG Lancet on Verizon (Windows version) uses it. You just have to enable it.
  • How good is the VoLTE coverage?  I'm on AT&T so it doesn't affect me, but I'm curious if it's widespread enough to be a viable workaround for lack of CDMA compatibility.
  • It's good enough for the iPhone 6 and S6 to have it enabled full time unless it drops calls... Then they recommend switching it off. So I guess it's pretty much everywhere now. I'm sure if you're already in a poor reception area, you'll still have Poor reception with volte also though. Probably worse. I'll ask around about it.
  • Rumors so far point to att and t mo. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I've been considering leaving Verizon for a while. This might be the typing point. I really hope msft announces a payment system. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Yes a payment system is also very high on my wish list. And if / when they do I hope they impement something using MST technology instead of NFC as it will work nearly everywhere since it's just like swiping a card!
  • i want nfc paymentt option, i dont want to stick some casrd to my phone when nfc is there already.  But yeh it is gona be something people pick phones for, i know it will soon be same for me.
  • The MST technology such as what Samsung Pay uses does not require sticking a card to your phone. It simply transmits a signal from the phone which emulates a card swipe. In other words, you would be able to use it by holding the phone near where the card swipe slot is. To me this is better since it will work at virtually every place that accepts credit cards where as the NFC technology is only on a small percentage of terminals and therefore only works at a small percentage of places. I did not write my post correctly as I wrote "instead" when I should have written "in addition to"... as ideally both technologies would be implemented.
  • Yes that seems to be what most rumors are pointing to but I did see a rumor somewhere that Microsoft may sell an unlocked universal band phone as @thaman04 states... only a rumor but a glimmer of hope! Or maybe that will be reserved for the rumored Surface Phone next year.
  • I'm with you on this. I was hoping the slide will say. What is with manufacturers building multiple versions for differing areas? Can't these new Qualcomm chips enable a "universal" radio? I'm certain I read about that years ago. We should be seeing phones like that by now.
  • I feel like with Microsoft saying they're not going to partner with Verizon anymore for exclusives there must be something in the works to make the phones universal so they would work on Verizon CDMA as well, but that could very well be wishful thinking on my part. All I know is at the moment, I'm going to stick with Verizon on the ICON simply because they are the only carrier to offer decent voice AND data coverage in my area. If I go with someone like straight talk I can get excellent voice, but very spotty data, or AT&T and get spotty but fast data and voice, or Verizon and get LTE and great voice almost anywhere I go in my area.
  • That's true here where I'm at with Verizon. Had ATT for 10 years, great service, except mountains, and good phone selections. T-Mobile has cheaper rates, spotty reception only because I tried it for a few days and nothing in the mountains, alright phone selections. Verizon has great coverage everywhere, pricey and not really the best phone selection, especially for windows phones.
  • I'm still holding out hope that Verizon may still get (at least) the Lumia 950 given the announcement still has not happened yet.
  • So am I, because otherwise it's iPhone for me.
  • AT&T at release ....
  • That is the question I was going to ask - what carriers will support these phones?
  • That's the true spirit :D made my day, thank you
  • SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
  • WOW SEXY!!!! So much better than those fake leaked renders.  Can't wait to give these a try.
  • Battery doesn't look promising with those hardware specifications.
  • Remember... Windows mobile are battery efficient
  • haha, tell that to my 925
  • Still a preview... and the battery life has gotten better ever since the first one (which I had on my 920).
  • best looking windows phone ever....and yes, worse battery life ever :(
  • I charged up my 640 XL yesterday morning. I have 21% left as of right now, using the latest win10 build.
  • I charge my 1020 twice a day..
  • Connect me to your 925 and I'll be glad to tell it "Windows mobile are battery efficient"
  • Your phone with an S4 and 2000 mAh battery?
  • SoC/Hardware related. Snapdragon400 has about twice the real life battery life of a Snapdragon4.
  • The battery life on 925 are sucks..its great phone but the battery matter make me suffer..
  • At the moment, Windows 10 build 10256 on my ICON counters your statement, but the battery life is better than it was on earlier builds, so I have hope that it will play nice with batteries by RTM.
  • Exactly my thoughts
  • What about these specs makes you think the battery life will be bad? There are plenty of phones out there with that battery size and similar specs that get long battery life. Droid Turbo is one of them and it's advertised for 48hr battery life. In the real world that's more like 1 full day and then some. What did you see in these specs other than the iris scanner that is different from devices already on the market?
  • How is that? My L1520 and L640 runs a full day with spare easy - Power User
  • Me too...god bless the 1520...
  • you obviously dont use smart phones then.  Lol i get a full day extensive from my lumia 930 and thats on a 2400.  A 3000 ma battery was a dream for me in a 5inch display and they just did it.  This phone will easyly beat my lumia 930 for battery and my lumnia gets me thghoth the day eayly, actually 6-8 hours solid intensive gamesing 11-12 hours continuous vid or 26 hours light use, on average i get 16-18 hours and i use my phone all the time, when gaming that might go down a couplke of hours here and there, strangely i alwas]=ys outlast my friends iphone 5s and 6 lol, I even beat the htx m8.     ive used iphones all of them exept the 6s, ive used a few android phones and hell compared to my iphones, my disre and acer 2 and galaxy s4 the lumia 930 with a 2400 battery exceeded all my battery expectations, and now im gona get more battery.  Thk you microsoft so much.  More battery not thiner phones are needed at this stage.   All this is with 2400 battery, cant you imagine just how good a 3000 ma is gona do in this phone, i can itll give me even with the higher specs slightly better battery life, because its got glance and a better screen lol.  That much is obvious even at this stage.  But hey im the only one whos phone isnt in a 2 inch battery case and i still get all day.  Lumia 930 is great battery life and the 830 is even better.
  • I know, it's so thin. Looks to be not even two usbc ports tall.
  • They look exactly the same as the previous renders. Cheap.
  • That's your opinion. Its classy and beautiful for me.
  • Especially the black one which makes phone look like edgeless.  The phone does look distinctively high-end Lumia. 
  • Yes, I agree, somehow it looks better than the renders ... I'm glad
  • Black colour is the one looks sexy n premium!!
  • These look great, much better than the unofficial renders.
  • Still look bland to me, not particularly eye catching in design.
  • Yeah, I don't see a difference either. Still look like low budget phones. Especially with those ratchet on screen buttons.
  • LOL..."ratchet". Well my peace... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • You are blind, accept it
  • You're intolerant of conflicting opinions, accept it.
  • My greatest concern/fear which is looking more and more like yet another strong possibility is that the Lumia 950 will be an ATT exclusive while the 950XL will be sold direct from Microsoft. My problem is that 1.I don't own a credit card to just buy the phone outright. 2.I'm already paying for my phone through T-Mobile's Jump plan and although I'll be eligible to Jump to a new phone next month with 50% of the phone paid off, I would have to upgrade through T-Mobile to avoid paying for two devices(or technically a device and a half). I like the iPhone 6S a lot but I'm not paying an extra $100 for the 64gb model. That leaves either the the LG G4 or the Note 5 as the most tempting devices for me(camera). That's only if neither the Lumia 950/950XL are carried by T-Mobile though. In any other case, I plan to get one.
  • Looks somewhat like my L640, prettier than the other renders but yeah still meh. It is not like the L640 is a premium phone.
  • Considering the screen is OLED, it's likely that it will be very difficult to tell where the screen ends and the bezel begins when the background is black.  If that is the case, on screen buttons won't really be any different that physical buttons with backlit icons.  It's going to look like black glass with glowing buttons either way.  On an LCD screen that wouldn't be the case, but we are dealing with OLED on these devices.
  • OLED us fuckin beautiful...saw an OLED LG tv...damn, it's pretty
  • You all obsess over the silliest things. The 950 XL looks great to me.
  • Yeah, true, but by all means, get the new features down first in this iteration of the phones, then next generation, add some more pazzaz to the mix.
  • coming soon....
  • are the same
  • They do?
    Wait 4 months and these will be on a huge sale.
  • I still want the 950 XL! When it comes out in the UK, I might get it on a SIM only deal. Which means, I can keep the phone and just get different SIM cards when the SIM only contract runs out.
  • Hope the price is not too crazy.
  • What's it called when you feel disappointment so often you don't care anymore?
  • Resignation Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Why are you disappointed?
  • Android
  • Spot on, bud..
  • I actually just switched to Android, for the first time, at least until a proper Surface phone is released.  I was an iOS user for 6 years, then went Windows Phone.  Fell in love.  Sadly my 920 is dieing and I don't care for the 'flagships'.  Windows 10 mobile is awesome, but the preview builds are buggy and I fear it's just a tad too late.  I bought a used Moto X and 1st Gen used Moto 360.  For $200 total, it's a fun experiement. Hurry up Microsoft.  I miss my tiles.
  • Surface phone is next year
  • k.
  • Surface phone may only ever be an option for enterprise users and will certainly have a reduced feature set if so. Don't pin your hopes on that. Watch Rubino's latest #AskDan video.
  • would not make sense to brand your low end .. low feature offer as "surface"   Surface should be branded as MS's highend brand
  • Fear is irrational... an emotional response. So much emotion for things that do not reciprocate... lol =P
  • Hey. Pick up a used 1020 or 925. Not expensive and great phones. User til you feel the need to jump. My old 920 is running the WM10 preview very smoothly now. Not buggy any more.
  • "A tad too late"?  Too late for what?
  • That's another word for cancer
  • OMG that made me laugh.  Well played.  I wasn't expecting that.
  • You win Windows Central commenting. You are the king of comments for the day.
  • Coming soon..
  • Exactly my toughts. It looks nice but Microsoft will somehow manage to make it bad. There is always a "but" with MS. And if you say no, you're not better than the Apple Fanatics.
  • "And if you say no, you're not better than the Apple Fanatics"
    Wow - so no one's allowed to have an opinion if they don't agree with you.  And if they do disagree you, they're an iSheep?  There's a big difference.
     
  • Unfortunately that's the way it works with people. You're not allowed to have an opinion if it doesn't agree with their "facts". Case in point, at El Mac I would say NO. There is not always a "but" with MS. That is entirely users fault. I love MS products and it works for my needs so no, there is no "but" with me.
  • Also for me. I've been using Microsoft products for years, and they're exciting! I don't have any plans (anymore) to using other services than MS's. What I missed is... my Windows Phone, which has been broken about 10 months ago. Wish I can go back to Windows Phone (Win10 Mobile) as I'm frustrated with Android in just months.
  • MS didn't make it look bad.  Some people have imagined it look bad based on renders.
  • Why wont Microsoft bring some old phones at lesser price,like the Lumia 920/925.Even if they sell it as budget phones,many people would buy it
  • They could change the Lumia number but keep the body same
  • They have. They are called the Lumia 640/XL. Budget hardware that's still on par with the performance of the 920/925, plus it's been updated with newer hardware features that have become available since the 920/925.
  • Seeing that I have the 640 and 920, I will definitely say that the two phones are only comparable in that they both run Windows Phone well, but the camera on the 920 blows the 640 away, as it should. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That's the PureView camera that is on 920, which 640 doesn't have. Both have ZEISS optics, which I think will produce great focus.
  • 640XL
  • Fucked up?
  • Its called iPhone
  • They should just copy the 820/920.
  • A Windows Phone user?
  • Apple Sheep
  • It actually doesn't look so bad
  • Agreed, but the XL always looked pretty good IMHO! It's that ring around the camera on the 950 that bugs me.... Funny how that image isn't on any of these slides.
  • Maybe they decided to do away with that ring...........
  • I really hope so. That fat ring on the 950 does not give the impression of premium, like the 950xl's thin back ring.
  • I'm liking these images more than the last leak, but still wish they sharper edges. I will definitely be getting the XL at launch.
  • Ugh, really? The rounded corners are about the only part of this design I like. The sharp corners on my 920 make the dang thing nearly impossible, well not impossible just uncomfortable, to hold in landscape mode for long periods of time. Frankly, I wish the side edges of the 950 and 950LX were were rounder too.
  • And I wish the edges were sharper.  Screw comfort.  I just want it to look good.
  • Yup, they look as ugly as expected. This will be an interesting competition to see who has the ugliest phone, Microsoft or Huawei (with their Nexus 6P). Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Look fine to me. WTF are you people expecting... For them to eat lightning and crap thunder, or maybe solve world hunger. They're just phones. If you don't like the design then throw a cover on it or don't buy it. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Most comments so far have been positive.
  • Bill Gates is trying to solve world hunger.
  • So apparently now you can't dislike the horrible work done on a phone design? That's news to me. Here's news to you, then: people are free to think these horrible phones are horrible and say it. And if you don't like that opinion, do as any child would do and just downvote it.
  • Unfair assessment DJCBS...you wouldn't have said that if Nokia was still around or at least would have reserved judgement until you saw it in person...at least I think you would do that being a Nokia fan myself...
    Plus, its quite well known around here that this is a Nokia design carryover...this could actually be a good one...
  • Actually I would have. If you try to go back to the archives here (not sure how long they're kept), you'll see I never liked neither the designs of the Nokia 925, nor the Nokia 1020, nor the Nokia 1520. I didn't liked them when they leaked and I didn't like them when they came out, and I still don't like the 1020 design, even though I have one as a dedicated camera.   Also, no, this is not a Nokia carryover design. Daniel thinks this is but I'm pretty sure it's not. Or, at least, it's not a design that Nokia would have approved. What I think happened here is that, because Microsoft bought the design portfolios that Nokia had in stock, these are eventually designs that Nokia had rejected for other phones that were reused.
  • DJCBS, I've noticed over time that you are generally disappointed with MS, so your negative hope for the 950's doesn't surprise me. But I really don't understand why you bother hanging around us, for better and worst fanatics, trying to get us to lose hope, and to move to a different platform. I'm not really affected by your comments, but I am very curious about why after 2+ years of negativity, you are still with us? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Let me see...my PC runs Windows, my tablet is a SP3, my console is an Xbox One, my email client is Outlook, my cloud solution is OneDrive and my portable camera is a Nokia 1020 that unfortunately runs WP...does that answer your question?
  • I used to admire the comments of DJCBS before. But he's into whining and trolling lately.
  • A LOT of assumptions here.  I tend to think Daniel probably has insider information.  Do you?
  • The whole premise of the arguement relies on the opinion of pure conjecture. There is no point. We should really settle and agree that opinions are opinions. But everything else is just fabrication and doesn't actually add any weight to the discussion.
  • Yes, thanks for your opinion. For me, its beautiful and classy than old Nokia flagship. That's my opinion. Btw, you are saying those are child who downvote, but that's their opinion. You are the one who always behave like a child
  • If you hava a different opinion, you state it. That's how adults argue. Not through downvotes or insults. But then again, I've come to expect very very little from the WP community as the years go by. You people are starting to look and act like iSheep.
  • Ah, downvotes. They are a good way to show disapproval for tone and attitude. People are entitled to opinions, tone, and attitude. People don't have to like any of yours, mine, or that of any others.  Name calling (saying that adults don't "downvote") just isn't helpful. Want proof?  Look at your very remark.  Look at today's politics.  Look everywhere. People don't even want to debate what they disagree on, they just use name calling as if it means anything to label a whole group of people with a silly word or two. 
  • You have to remember he is essentially a troll and his opinion matters little.
  • Because yours matters a lot, eh identitity-crisis-Micah?
  • DJCBS is just an institutionalized loser, the kind who do the phone-war manbaby nonsense. Get a real hobby please.
  • Lol...superboy...
  • DJCBS, every thread I see you comment on, it's something along the lines of you complaining about how people responded to your or someone else's comment. How about if you just accept that this is a highly critical comment thread and just put out some original ideas, which would do a lot more for this thread than complaining would?
  • DJCBS is acting like an idiotic sissy.
  • I think you're mixing commenting with answering people. People here just tend to bitch about every time they don't read what they want to read. And then bitch further when they are called out for it. I deal very well with criticism. Not so well with stupid fanboys. Like, for example, Pallav bellow you.
  • The phone is horrible because you don't like the way it looks?? 
  • Uh...well, when one doesn't like the way something looks, one uses an adjective to characterize it. I chose horrible but could have picked atrocious, ugly, Donald-Trumpy etc. I don't really understand your doubt?
  • Ya look at the newer iPhones. Supposedly beautiful design, but the majority of people put cases on them anyways. So obviously, when the feet hit the pavement, design really isn't as big of a factor as you would think. Just look at how well the Samsung Galaxy S6 has sold, and in person I would say it's still one of the cheapest looking phone designs out there.
  • @Zachary - that thinking may be logical. Doesn't make it correct. People do also buy based on looks, then still then put cases on them. Lol. It's enough to know it looks good under the case for them.
  • I think he is expecting them to look like they did when Nokia was making the phones.  My Lumia 1020 is still sexy :D
  • @CyclingNut - "looks bearable" to me. But wtf are you expecting, people not to give their opinion, especially as in the article it says to give them in comments. Maybe you need to get out on your bike a bit more, take a breather.
  • They don't look bad at all, but it doesn't have the curved glass like my 930.
  • Seeing that they are successor of Lumia 930, the design should be better. Lumia 930 looks far better than these two devices.
  • That I agree with... I'll be replacing a 1520, and I like these better than that phone. But the 930 did look nicer.
  • I actually prefer it not be curved.  Having it flat would make it easier to apply a screen protector that would cover the whole screen.
  • Curved edges are way better than flat screens, so much better that Samsung are using them on the Edge......so it's only a matter of time until Apple copy.....then WP with its flat screen will have to catch up again instead of leading!!!!!!
  • I really prefer the 2.5d screens that the likes of the 930 and ICON used, I feel like anything more than that is just gimmicky. But that little bit of curve is nice in my opinion for hand-feel and makes it easier to swipe in from the edged without catching your finger on the edge of the phone.
  • ^This Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I think the XL looks fine personally.
  • I agree. My favorite Android has been the Nexus 5... it has a simple design, but gets the job done. I also had a Note 4 which I agree looked better, but I did not enjoy using it as much due to Touchwiz.  Microsoft could have gone with a more premium design, but I think these are fine... especially if they deliver with Windows 10 Mobile. For me, that's the more questionable peice.
  • Actually they are not THAT ugly but I still dont like the design but I´ll wait for the event to get the full picture. You know whats even more ugly? LOCKSCREEN. You could see that same fu*king lockscreen on a device from 3-4 years ago.
  • That's because, since Mango, WP hasn't really progressed.  It's just changed here and there.  And the lockscreen hasn't gotten the "let's change it" treatment.
  • And the one time they did try something new with the lockscreen, it bombed. I don't think that app is ever coming out of "beta".
  • Don't buy then if you don't like.
    Keep away and let fans like us enjoy these awesome devices.
  • Oh my God, thanks for your advise! I couldn't have made that decision a year ago already without your help.
  • I don't think the phones are ugly, per se.  Just awfully conservative.  I think the screens are going to push the price point WAY above where it should be.  Nice specs all around, but I would have liked to see a more interesting design (smaller/no bezels) and slightly lower res screens (which makes ZERO difference unless under a microscope) that are less expensive.  $399 and $499 would have been a good price point to hit.  Instead, I'm guessing they'll match iPhone pricing, which is too much for what these are and WinPhone's position in the market.  They're going to get hammered for pricing plastic phones the same as the iPhone.  I'm hoping there will be something between the 550 and 950 that's more reasonably spec'd and priced, that I could actually afford to buy. Enthusiasts won't buy enough, and they're not cool enough for the public to pay attention.  This would give Nadella all the ammo he needs to throw up his hands and say "Oh well, we tried.  I guess people just don't care." And they really ought to have designed at least one crazy phone, like a Sharp Aquos Crystal, which I would have bought in a minute if it was a little better spec'd and not Sprint-only.  I'd also really like to see an x86-based phone that runs Contiuum with Win32 apps in desktop mode.  If they can hit the Atom Z3xxx level of performance and integrate wireless display with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, that's enough.  It's a phone that's also a functional PC.  It doesn't *have* to run 3D rendering or gaming.  The fact that a phone like that would be functional as a phone and a PC is a huge selling point.
  • Maybe HTC or Samsung or another OEM will bring something exciting and above average design?
  • Stop me if you've heard this one before, but do like I'm doing and hold tight until next year to see if this rumored Microsoft + Intel x86 phone is actually a thing. If it is, and it's reasonably spec'ed, I think we'll get the future phone we've all wanted. Granted it'll probably be priced at $799 but at least it'll present a new option.
  • I never really understood why people want their smartphones to be made from exotic materials. Its the screen you need, the rest of it is just there to hold everything in place. Just because iphone made the smartphone a fashion thing, doesn't mean it has to be. So iPhone 6 looks nicer than this one? Why because its metal? Most of you people put it in a case anyway. So give me a break. You wanna make it look special? Put on a case with flowers or somethin. I have a 640 and its the perfect shape to hold. No weird angles, no slipery slopes, no fancy corners. To me the new 950 looks nice.
  • A lot of us don't use cases, or use pouch/slip cases so we can still use our phones 'au naturel'. I think these phones are nice... A bit too conservative, but definitely not ugly. Some decent colours would spice it up a bit (cyan for starters)
  • I never use cases on my phone. I think it takes away from the Beauty. So what if it falls but then again it's always in my pocket and I never drop my Phone Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I have a 640 and I love the phone, but the design is bland and uninteresting, and the 950 looks just like it. Bland and uninteresting is fine for an $80 budget phone, not so good in a $600+ flagship.
  • This is bad, I told my wife the phone will come in crocodile's skin like her handbag and shoes.... Who knows, she might not even know polycarbonate is a glorified plastic. So, I might still make this purchase work in my favor..
  • I have a clear case on my cyan 640 XL.
  • Well... 1 - It's not a question of exotic materials (even though some of the wood backs on some phones do look good). I never had any problems with polycarbonate phones, on the contrary.
    This is a question of DESIGN. The phone not only has to feel good in the hand, it should look good in your eyes because you actually have to look at it a lot. And whilst I don't agree with "form over function" I also don't like generic slabs with pimples. I like a 700€ phone to not only perform like a 700€ phone but also look like a 700€ phone. You also pay for the design of the phone you know? 2 - Never mentioned the iPhone. And if I would, it would be the 5S because it's the only one I ever found actually beautifully designed. The new 6 series is horrible. So no. 3 - Not all of us use cases. Furthermore, if I have to put a case on a phone just to be able to look at it, I won't be willing to give 700€ for it in the first place.
  • I didn't say you mentioned the iPhone, it was an example. I never use cases either, but you have to admit that 90% of people do. At least i rarely see someone around me that does not have a case for his/her smartphone. If its not about the materials (glass, aluminium, plastic etc) and its all about design, i am afraid the choices are limited.  Take their shape for example, its either round or square corners... what else can it be? There will be buttons, so its either on the side or the LG rear style, what else can it be? The cover will be either unified or there will be a bezel around the sides, what else can it be? You see where i am getting with this? Back in the day where the screens where not so big, and there were physical keyboards, there was much more variety and flexibility in the design. Even little details made the phone look different. But with these huge screen, i am afraid the design is limited and thats why i personally do not consider it a #1 priority.
  • Oh seriously? Watches are just to look time, yet we buy it for looks,durability, fashion etc. Sunglasses are for sun. Yet it is used for fashion. I can keep going. Your point isn't valid, Sir.
  • And you think your point is valid? Your examples are fashion trends for decades - take watches for example, they are considered a jewelery nowdays instead of actually looking the time, so their design is a number one priority. Of course every object we use must look nice (although design is based on personal preference), but for smartphones, personally i don't consider it a high priority factor. Show me a 2015 smartphone that actually looks 100% better than the new 950 design.
  • I may not always agree with everything you post, but your comments are usually thoughtful. I know you left Windows Phone a year ago or so; out of curiosity, what phone are you currently using? What do you like about it, and why? Also, what don't you like about your current phone, and how would you change it?
  • He bought a Sony Z and this is the latest update on their "Waterproof" phones..... http://a.msn.com/r/2/AAeg3Wm?a=0&m=en-gb
  • Just FYI, my phone has taken plenty of pictures underwater and I've had zero problems with it. You may also want to keep up with the news, because Sony has also clarified that already after those "news" broke out. Here's a hint: Sony has ALWAYS advised caution when it comes to putting the phones under water. They have ALWAYS advised against putting the phones under salted water etc. This is not new at all. But here's the thing: my phone CAN be submerged and it will work underwater and more importantly, survive. Your Microsoft Lumia, can't. So...maybe you may want to rethink the disdain...
  • My current daily driver is a Sony Xperia Z3 Compact. I like a lot of things about it. First and foremost, the size. I really dislike this trend of ever-growing phones. I don't need a dinner-tray in my pocket and no one is actually THAT productive on a smartphone to justify 5.5-6" phones IMO. I like the design a lot (Sony does design beautiful phones...hence why Samsung just copied them with the S6 series) and the phone is unbelievable durable (I've dropped it more than half-a-dozen times already and it still doesn't have a scratch or dent...which really surprised me given that it has glass on both sides). The battery life is also great, easily lasting me 2 days of average use and more than a day when connected to my GWAR. What I don't like though, is the camera. I mean, it was great in 2014 but Sony has since become very far behind the competition and the new Z5 series doesn't change it. The algorithms are a mess, the post-processing is terrible and the lack of OIS and full manual controls just make it a nightmare to use as a camera phone. Admitedly, I'm very spoiled by Nokia and so pretty much all phone cameras will suck when compared to the 1020, but still, I expected more from Sony. Unfortunately Sony is now more concerned in selling their cameras to LG and Samsung than to have their own phones with the best. I considered several times replacing my Z3C with a G4 already and the only reason I haven't done so is because the G4 lacks some things that are important to me namely: 1-  a dedicated camera button. They have currently the best camera on Android (and likely one of if not the best on any smartphone being sold) but the lack of a camera button makes the use of that camera a lot less easy. 2 - The rear buttons are a mess to use. It's just not natural to me. 3 - It apparently uses a microSIM slot...and I've been using nanoSIMs only for a while now. I've also been tempted by the green S6 Edge but I hate Samsung, I hate TouchWiz, they too lack a dedicated camera button and the battery life is miserable. So I'm sticking with the Z3C probably until Nokia's return next year. What I would like to have seen in the Z5C would have been 3 simple things: 1 - OIS on the camera. I actually discussed this with Sony designers and the reason it doesn't have OIS is purely aesthetical which, to me, is not an acceptable compromise; 2 - Completely new camera software. From full manual controls to completely redesigned post-processing. Sony doesn't even allow us to shoot RAW even though Android Lollipop brought the feature. 3 - Built in Qi charging. Sony dumped the magnetic charging for an exposed USB charger and that's great...but I prefer wireless charging. And on a waterproof phone, you'd think that'd be a no brainer. I've also got a problem with the way Android is looking nowadays which is why I kept my phone on KitKat. Google went with a new design - Material Design - but then failed completely with the colour pallet, focusing a lot on we-want-to-blind-you-whites and colourful menus. Not only Lollipop's design is horrible, unlike OnePlus who created a Dark Theme on their OxygenOS skin, Sony not only didn't fix the design, they're starting to go more stock Android by the update. And they thwarted their "Xperia Themes" engine on Lollipop and now you can no longer even change the backgrounds of the settings etc (which was possible on KitKat and prior).
    So software-wise I don't like where Sony is heading either but I could prevent that my not installing Lollipop. Going forward, I would also take that into consideration and probably opt for a phone with an Android skin that would at least allow me to fix what Google broke.
  • My dad uses a Z3 compact, and it is a beautiful phone! I haven't used android much on it, but the general build quality and some of the features are really nice. It's beautiful and light to hold, the different user profiles are pretty cool too! So my younger brother who doesn't have a phone of his own, uses a profile on my dad's phone to play games etc. I also quite like the "throw" feature. Allowing the throwing of images and content to our LG smart TV.
  • The huge phones trend is indeed annoying as f***, but I guess it's partly because that makes it easier to cram more stuff in a phone as well as increase the frequencies of the processing units and compensate with a bigger battery. I still hate it though.
     
  • Even a 6" phone with minimal bezels is easy to handle and carry. It is easier to type on a larger screen, videos and apps are nicer and the experience is just better with a big screen. There is a reason everything is big now. Even Apple is making a big phone. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I agree. These phones are not going to help ms in the mobile space at all.
  • I know how to make you praise MS: go to their HQ and tell all of your complains DIRECTLY to them, rather than losing our hopes on WC by ensuring that the phone that we like is a cheap and ugly phone, and jump to another platform. I'm no fan of MS, but I see what's the best for me.
  • I'll let you in on a little secret: I already have. More than once. And I already had conversations, when Nokia was still on WP, about the path WP was taking with people there...people who, I should disclosed, were using iPhones ;) I don't understand the second part of your comment though...
  • If you have gone android  when it comes to mobile and and you  argue that you are still using  surface, xbox one etc and are still in ms ecosystem then by all means comment on articles involving those things that you care and are using. Why are you still commenting  on this article when it talks about mobile?  What is your agenda on spewing negativism at this article's comment section when you clearly have moved on to other platform mobilewise? Do you still care for windows mobile platform? Do you want it to succeed or otherwise? If you want to it to succeed and you still care  then give constructive comments/criticism. It is one thing to criticise but at least give suggestions on how to make the mobile platform/devices better.  For the record, i am not preventing you to comment here i am just questioning your motive. Peace bro.
  • If you see the actual pictures of the Nexus 6P, it actually looks really good. The renders weren't the most flattering. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Awesome specs
  • More like, "Average" specs. This is what a high-end phone is specced like in 2015.
  • So how should they be spec'd if there is no better processor released on the market than the 808 and 810.     This is what a high-end phone is specced like in 2015. This is 2015.
  • Holy shit you're right! A phone released in 2015 with 2015 specs? Are they insane?!!!?11!!!1!!!one!!!
  • What did u want?
  • He obviously wanted a phone specced like in 2017 that is available in 2016. Because 2015 specs, specced like 2015 just aren't good enough.
  • Becuase you know, it is 2015 so "specced like in 2015" is perfectly reasonable.  Comments like this are becoming insufferable.
  • That's awesome, since it means the OS isn't hardcoded to only run on 2014-era hardware, which is a big improvement over WP 7 and 8 (where the software kept struggling to support last year's hardware).
  • In 4 months, when the first Snapdragon 820 phones start to come out, you won't be saying that anymore. Maybe even sooner once you realise how horrible the SD810 is.
  • ...said anyone who ever bought anything man made. Let's just wait a few generations when the Snapdragon 9000 comes out thats only 2 molecules big and you absorb it into your skin and all of a sudden it merges with your cerebral cortex so you experience your phone in mind-melded reality.  But someone will come onto these same forums and be all like "You should've waited 4 months, then Snapdragon X-1 will come out and merge us all with the singularity' or something. 
  • This! Really people expect ms to stuff every high end specs on their phones. Later people will start complaining why ms did not give i7, 16gb ram and what not.
  • Lol
  • There will always be "in 4 months" any time a new tech product is released.
    Technology is always improving, it's useless to always look ahead because then you'll never get anything. You have to look at what it is now, and now it's a high-end 2015 phone in 2015, exactly what it should be lol
  • Duh
  • Of course it is. But Microsoft won't be updating phones that often. And TO ME, it seems like a really dumb move to launch flagships with the SD810 which has given OEMs nothing but headaches, when they could just wait around 2 months (because I don't expect these phones to be released until at least November) and use a chip that will be far better and give users a lot more advantages in energy consumption, battery life etc. (And before a fanboy has a fit, I say the exact same thing about Sony's Z5 family...though that one we know will be replaced in 6 months) At this point, to me, it seems Microsoft just wants to shut up WP fanboys who keep crying for a flagship device. I don't see Nadella caring much about these Microsoft 950 and 950XL. If I had to bet, I'd say Microsoft will be more concerned with the business-oriented "Surface" phone than with these Lumias that will appeal to 0.5% of the 2.5% of WP users.
  • True mate. MS is more concerned with enterprise these days than consumer products as it has made it clear with office, windows etc. And most recently the Surface. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Thank man... That is why I am holding off until SD920 comes out.
  • I was reading some rumours that Google will be releasing their flagship nexus with an 820, and announcing it in the next week or so. If that is the case, and it comes out in the next month or so, it will make other phones look old! Having said that, Qualcom said it would be featured in phones coming out next year, so that may require a lot of salt pinching.
  • Not possible. Any S820 phone will not be here before 2016. 
  • They are going to have the 810 too. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I agree Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Waiting for official release :)
  • I want the 950!!!!!
  • ugly phone. maybe the 8xx series will be better.
  • I'm waiting for a 850 with 2gb of ram, 1080p screen, pureview, 4k recording and a new snapdragon 6xx cpu.
  • If that turns out to be a real phone, revealed concurrent with these, I may get that instead
  • SD617 most likely.
  • Already seems prettier than initial renders!
  • I like that Qi is built-in. All else seems meh to me. I'm still looking for camera improvements and haven't heard anything about that, so I'm assuming that the camera is also meh.
  • How can they improve a camera that's already impeccable? If it's the same quality as the 1520 I'm sold.
  • I think he want's one similar to the 1020.
  • Aha... Now you are Jellying
  • I have a 1020, so naturally I want my next phone to be better. Specifically, more zooming. I will not go to a phone with less capability on things that matter to me. I've done that many times already. I'm also looking for 64GB storage. Don't wanna pay extra for sd cards.
  • Speed. I miss way too many spur-of-the-moment shots because of this.
  • They at least changed the flash to look more natural. I would hope they made it faster to focus also. There are a lot of changes they could have made that you wont know till the event. My 1520 has a similiar camera and takes awesome pics
  • well havin in consideration that the Lumia 930 still has one of the top 5 cameras on phones and its one year old and every major brand had a new flash ship by now some of those twice, even if they make small improvements it will probably be the best camera on the market again...
  • What I want to know is, will there be any surprises left to announce surrounding these phones on the 6th?
  • No
  • Surface pro 4
  • already many specs are leaked and also about Band 2
  • Yeah, the SP4 and Band 2 are a given, I was talking specifically about the phones. It seems everything that could have been leaked has been. I'm just hoping they talk more about OTG/USB Dual Role and announce some excluse new apps that will launch on release day for W10m
  • Yeah, I'm expecting app announcements - with w10 at 100 million downloads and higher app downloads per machine developers will probably come out of the woodwork
  • Doesn't seem to be the way these days, recent Samsung and Apple releases were 100% leaked before the main event.
  • They're gorgeous.
  • White or black? That's lame. Where is yellow? Cyan?
  • Yeah, the problem still is the lack of color options. This is Lumia not random OEM.
  • Did you not see Daniel's previous post on that?  The colour variants didn't sell well at all.  Also, other companies are mostly selling black/white as well.  Once sales improve, they might introduce more colours.  Also, the back casing is swapable, so we might see new colour backplates like the some of the other Lumias had.  Some carriers even included multiple colour backplates in the box.
  • Like hell they did. I think the cyan was awesome and if you think that Samsung is successfull only because they offer black/white variant you are wrong. So what if the black one sells more, then I sell the less quantity of the blue ones but I sell them to people they want it atleast.  
  • Actually in many markets the Black and White are sold cheaper than the Cyan and Orange colours so people prefer to go with the cheaper options considering the internal specs are same so the coloured phones are selling less than the traditional B&W
  • I bought the L920 in Cyan, wanted the Red or Yellow too. I think people do like the colors.
  • The Red 920 was only available on 1 carrier in the UK. I really wanted the Red one but had to wait and buy it fore cash. So the argument of colours not selling, when they are on 1 carrier only is rubbish. Again, with the 930 I wanted a green one but my carrier offered Orange or Black only. So I got the Orange one. Now I am glad as it looks awesome, but this one colour for one carrier only must dampen sales.
  • I had my L900 in Cyan.  I learned my lesson from that.  You would get tired of bright color after a while.  Ever since, all black for me -L920 and L1020.  Black is one color you'll never get tired of.  It is always classy and enduring.
  • And from what I understand, with a removable battery and SD card support, presumably the back cover would be replaceable, and I would expect to see some more color options for the back plates down the road, if the phones do well.
  • how about you cut the bull. most of the lumias i've seen are colored. and other manufacturers are also selling colored phones from Samsung, to HTC, to Sony, Motorola and so on. in fact, offering colored handsets is the new thing now in the industry. Ms just ruins things up again as usual
  • This is the best option, especially since the cover is removable. Having additional colors available for sell also helps with residual revenue. This is definitely the way to go. The customer also benefits because you can change the color to whatever you feel that day. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Lame. MS 2015: throwing away all that was unique about WP. Remember when Lumia phones used to stand out?
  • I'm hoping they give us the option to buy colourful flipcovers, or just covers.
  • Haven't I been saying white or black and that's it for like months now? Indeed, I have.
  • But we have seen blue phones (yes, yes, not for release) so it is possible, and that's the phone we all want. Black is boring, and white is too Apple-hipster... give me colours damnit!
  • Its much cheaper from a cost perspective to make just white and black and then offer cases for whatever color you fancy.
  • Less colors means lower manufacturing costs. It also means there are less SKUs. Now, a random AT&T store (or whoever) can carry more of each SKU and still take up much less room in their store. Now they can carry say 10 of each SKU, totallying 40 units (950 and 950XL in two colors each). If there were 5 color options, they would need to carry either 100 total units (10 units of two phones in 5 colors) or have a reduced inventory in each SKU to match the 40 units. This appeals to carriers who have limited storage space, and who would much perfer to sell iphones or android devices.
  • +Red
    +Orange
  • Well since they have removable batteries it seems like you should be able to just buy a different cover for them.  That is my guess as to how you will be able to personalize them,
  • It's a removable back cover.
  • Lumia without colours== lame shit.
  • Is that a colour you're proposing?
  • Daniel was right. They aren't ugly yay
  • Yep...
  • Yup
  • The design is great. And it comes with a removable battery too. Now shut up and buy this phone.
  • They look fantastic... The 950xl should be incredible... Since I have the 1520.. I can wait a little before picking it up. But definitely. Getting.... I assume it will have almost all bands if it is unlocked and for tmobile band 12 is Essential for their extended Lte...wish the 950xl would come with tmos wifi calling... But its ok...skype will more that be adequate.... Loving this ..go MS!!!
  • Oh well, the big disappointed the fact it wont come with color options which is pretty much synonymous to Lumia brand. Polycarbonate begs colors. At least it definitely looks bit better now with marketing images which are expected (because that's their job). Though the design is as expected they would be from official renders. Well since its here, lets just hope it will sell well. The looks will be just gradually acceptable the more we look at it.
  • I think a lot of people fail to realize that these pics are the same phone designs, just now photographed and photoshopped to look better.
  • Yeah, its same thing from official renders. Its been leaked by one of the most accurate leaker out there, so when evLeaks leaks stuff, that's what it is thanks to his solid sources. I still find the design rather uninspiring, too-safe and the aesthetics doesn't come together too well. Its okay and not that ugly as Galaxy S3 with those faux gaudy designs but this 950 and 950 XL doesn't gives me same good feeling as from previous Lumia. Honestly its not hard to image and reconstruct with our brain what it will looks like based on images with 3 sides and measurements. We humans are great at it. These images are will always looks bit better as that's the job of marketing. To make it look good no matter what it is.
  • You also have to remember that it might come with swapable colourful back covers like some of the other Lumias did.... also, the rumoured smart cover.
  • That's lame. I'm glad I left Windows as my daily driver. Don't see anything that even comes close to my 1520. Especially this ugly bland colored 950XL.
  • I hope they will and feature it in the shops. Lumia has been synonymous with colors which people recognize and Lumia even started that trend that now other OEM even offers it. By just having it with only black and white with that design, it will blend too much in the sea of phones while Samsung Galaxy and iPhone always begs for restocking. Also Smart Covers may be cool but personally I'm not fond of it and other people too. I don't like always flipping things unless its really that functional or necessary.
  • The last slide says that cortana is coming soon, So if this slide was for latinamerica, It could mean that cortana in al spanish speaking countries is right around the corner.
  • The third slide also says that both 950 and 950 XL have continuum. I thought it was going to be just the XL, so good news :D
  • I believe they had said all along that both the 950/xl would support continuum, but I'm not sure where to point you to where it says that in writing. But that's what I seem to remember.
  • Yeah, noticed that as well.... Hard to imagine any surprises left
  • I hate that it's software buttons.
  • Don't knock it til you try it.
  • I've tried them. They suck so bad.
  • ^This Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Well if you've tried it and didn't like it, we'll agree to disagree. After using virtual the virtual keys for almost a year, whenever I go back to my ATIV or 920 it's weird to not be able to swipe the keys it away.
  • Software buttons are actually great.  I didn't think i would like them either, but after trying it out, it's really useful.
  • Perhaps that will be the case for me as well.
  • Exactly, the capacitive lights in my 1520 are blinding in the dark
  • No where does it say anything about the pen for the 950 XL...
  • Probably waiting for the official press event (also the smart cover)
  • Dull design
  • Unfortunately yes and its here. So features and spec will be the more selling point here.
    They should at least bring color options.
  • Yeah there is no WOW factor to these phones. They look more like mid range to me. The real question is, will they release it with a buggy W10M which history supports they will? Cause right now it is a mess of buggy software with only 2 weeks to reveal. 
  • That's what's surprised me. How poorly they've fixed and responded to feedback for W10M. It's nowhere near ready. Another few months maybe, but right now it's an amateurish mess. At least by the standards a giant corporation like Microsoft should hold itself to.
    And I also agree, these phones look mid range at best.
  • I don't find It dull its simple and classy...well most impt is it works well than just look good
  • Lumia Icon for sale...LG G2 for sale!! I need cash to buy the Lumia 950!!!
  • Really dude!!! Lumia Icon looks way better than these two phones and also Snapdragon 808 and 810 have kinda bad reputation.
  • The Snapdragon 808 has no such reputation, mate.
  • Specs wise the 950 will be much better.  As it should with newer tech.  For me, if the 950 can connect to Tmobile's LTE which the 930 doesn't, I'll be very happy.
  • Are they really going to offer the 950 without integrated wireless charging?  That is one of the best features.  I wanted to buy a 950 but I don't want to get a cover just to have wireless charging.  Man, Microsoft, wtf are you doing?
  • The article claims the 950 will have Qi charging without the flip cover. Not sure if that is an error.
  • You're right!  It does say "NOT" in that sentence all of a sudden.  That's different than what has been reported until now.  Hope its not an error!
  • What about the 950XL?
  • Both have wireless charging built in, as it should be.
  • Read the article please.....
  • Believe it or not, I did read the article.  It's just that I read that extra info at the bottom backwards.  I've been reading that statement for weeks now that "950 will have QI charging WITH a flp cover", and the "NOT" in that sentence just didn't register.    Thanks for forcing me to read it again!  Thank God that was false info or they changed their mind  
  • THIS!!! The problem with the upcoming flagship is that they have some compromises, especially that 950. Seriously 950 is rather a joke not having Wireless Charging while older flagship have one (930). This is basically a new 930-like compromise, but now without Wireless Charging built-in. Man. Its either you get a phablet with wireless charging or 5-incher without one.
  • 950 has wireless charging without a flip cover. They changed this recently.
  •  I hope your source of info is correct Daniel.  At least one person at MSFT has some sense in their head.   That was a ridiculous idea to not include wireless Qi in their flagship series.  
  • Yup, he talked to Sam Sabri...
  • "950 has wireless charging without a flip cover."
    This statement is a little ambiguous. Having wireless charging without a flip cover does not mean it will have integrated wireless charging. It could also mean that it has wireless charging with a non-flip cover.
  • It's all speculation until the official word is released.  But I think it's clear now.  Since the specs first leaked it was saying the 950 had wireless charging with a flip cover, and the 950xl had it "Integrated".  I assume that meant the 950 was going to be like the 1020 and have contacts on the back to allow a wireless cover to transfer power.   But now it seems (for now) they backed off that idea and are making both 950's with integrated charging.  Maybe.... :)
  • Glad to hear that at least it will have hardware parity with 950 XL. There is mo reason for them not o include it as they have done it before and other OEM also supporting it (unfortunately not all are Qi, we really need to have a standard).
  • Read the article
  • Read the whole post, says it will have it integrated.
  • Dude, dude, DUUUUUDE..... Read what Rubino said: Windows Central can also add some more information to these specifications, including: Lumia 950 will have Qi wireless charging without a flip cover  
  • They should really stop using abasic black for the on screen keys in press shots use the scent colour
  • Microsoft should introduce Translucent or even transparent navigation on-screen buttons, not just plain black/white or accent colours.
  • I've been preaching the same thing to months... I hope they listened!
  • "scent colour" may not work out so well..... What scent would red be? Cherry? and a purple scent? Grape?  They might have to start putting in options so that people like the scent that is provided with the color ;) Seriously though, I agree. They should start using either the accent color or the transparent option. It gives a false impression of bezel with it being black.
  • Now that is one heck of an idea. Myself, though, I'd probably go with a blue accent color with a Cherry scent, if they allowed that combination.
  • Por estas pequeñas cosas es bueno saber español, las descripciones en las imágenes son interesantes.
  • Good point, I didn't actually think to translate what was written on the slides
  • What GORILLA GLASS 3 for Lumia 950 and 950XL? Microsoft should rather use GORILLA GLASS 4 in all Lumia *5* series phones, a logical upgrade.
  • Looks pretty from side angle :)
  • Ya era hora. Gracias Microsoft. Mi Lumia 920 necesita un cambio.
  • Verizon I hope...
  • Unlikely..
  • Never gonna happen.  verizon waved bye bye to WP for good, unless they come back with 15% market share, or something unbelievable like that.
  • I can't wait to get my hands on that 950XL.
  • Keeping my NOKIA LUMIA 1520. These phones are a bore.
  • I won't switch from my Lumia 1520, unless it has 41mp Carl zeiss lens
  • I will switch if it is faster to focus .
  • +1520
  • I hear ya. Nothing about these scream "Must Have"
  • Microsoft has to be so pissed right now.
  • Howcome?
  • That these specs were leaked.
  • Wasnt there supposed to be blue color too? Correct me if I am wrong.
  • Unfortunately no, it was just a silly prototype. Its really disappointing they're turning these flagships into just like everybody else out there. Heck others are already adapting color options.
  • That was for prototype only.
  • I have states numerous times that was prototype only. White or black, that's it.
  • Daniel some people don't visit this site daily like regulars do. And others don't even bother to read the entire article, or check comments. Unless you know Blade800 to be a regular reader/commenter, I think it's unfair to get frustrated everytime someone has misinformation.   Now if I was the one who stated the wrong information, then feel free to jump down my throat... as I should know better
  • Its okay, I remember now Daniel mentioning it one video I think, my bad.
  • You want a medal?
  • I think they look great, can't wait!
  • So there's no microSD card slot according to these pictures ? 
  • It's under the back plate.
  • But according to the post there is.. What's up with that Dan?
  • @jayruguitar Maybe it's under the back plate but it's not mentionned in these pics, but it is for the Lumia 550 :/ @Aniket Bhat I really hope he's right 
  • What is that long button on the side?
  • Power, in the XL
  • looking forward to see the sensor size, aperture, and other camera features
  • Ok im confused, Does Lumia 950 have Wireless charging integrated or not? 
  • It DOES (no cover required).  See Daniel's comment above.
  • yes
  • Yes.
  • The specs say it has got usb type c
  • What is the advantage for it on phones?
  • It can push more current, the transfer speed is faster, and the connector is reversible.
  • They look gorgeous, hope that they are not as pricey as iphone
  • What would be the expected cost ??
  • Around price of £480 and £550
  • $600-800 like all flagships for the past 5 years
  • Not nice
  • Good to see the 950 has Qi wireless charging. I'll be picking up the XL though at launch. Really hope the Continuum dock offer is in the UK!
  • It will be, UK however accepting of the Lumia phones, still needs to be tempted with freebies etc
  • Next up: Surface 4 leaks
  • Next up: Bill Gates takes a leak.
  • I'm sorry, but I just cannot get into these designs.
  • Move to Android then, lot of choices, same lag. :)
  • No worse than the lag I've gotten on all my WP's since WP8.1. Actually sometimes my WP's lag worse than my old tab 2 tablet, lol!
  • Now I could see that being true maybe if you were running a 521 or similar device, which admittedly, while still being a solid phone, has its share of lag. But on the flagship devices, in my opinion there is nothing better across the board when it comes to fluidity and speed. That's my opinion from using a 521 for a year before switching to an ICON for the last year.
  • I've been in this game since the HTC 8125.  #MoveAlongSonny
  • You want metal? Then wait longer for the rumoured Surface phone.
  • From a spec point of view, the phones look absolutely fine. That being said, the phones don't excite me in the way the 920, 1020 and 1520 did. Conservative industrial design and an apparent focus on something that really doesn't interest me in this One OS/continuum thing. That isn't to say that this isn't legitimately exciting for others - just not what I want the focus to be for my personal device. It doesn't help that Windows Phone as a platform feels like it is on borrowed time. I'll keep watching and see how things unfold, but I'm more pessimistic about the platform than I've ever been. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Indeed, its rather just okay and uninspiring. It doesn't standout nor looks unique in the marketplace. Its like just like any other phone looks. Added injury to the fact that it only comes with black and white, it feels not like Lumia anymore. The vibe of Lumia is gone with these flagship design. At least 550 is still have a Lumia looks to it.
  • Well, this phones are aiming where the real money is: enterprise. Colorful Lumias worked? nope. Makes sense. 
  • Colorful Lumias would have been a boom in Enterprise.  Unfortunately, the OS and feature set wasn't there so adoption was slow.  Heck, Win10 Mobile will be the first release of a Windows mobile OS to support Lotus Notes Traveler natively.  Something any Enterprise device has been able to do since day one.
  • In retrospect, it appears that the movement of the WP has suffered from the ever changing headship and the vision they brought with them. But since the removal of Elop and the last layoff of the MS mobile division, I have noticed a more focused vision. From Nadella's first comments regarding WP since the change, MS has stuck to their tune. One of the areas that I know will help them is to stop chasing the iPhone and Android crowds and focus on their core clients, the enterprise people, leaving the other OEM's to chase after iPhone and Android customer. The 950's design checks off a lot of buttons...removable battery, expandable memory, excellent camera, hd quality screen, and wireless charging technology. Add Windows 10 integration and you have a well spec'd phone perfect for the enterprise market. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Feel like you. Neither the looks, the specs or windows 10 have impressed me so far.  I have owned 4 Lumias so far and work with 2, Enterprise is my thing but have experienced some umpleasant situations with syncing to my 929 (Icon) phone that I will keep watching before commiting to a new and probably a very expensive phone.  Maybe even wait for 951 , 952 or 960. MS has failed everyone of us in the past with first editions.  They even needed 3 for the Surface to really make it.
  • Looking better every day (including the thinner silver ring around camera than in some of the earlier renders)! "Display Dock" is also a pretty decent and clear name for the Continuum dock.
  • Just use a fingerprint scanner ffs. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Maybe I'm just a bot, but I have a hard time imagining why someone wouldn't find these phones handsome and worth having. If those iPhones are hella better, have at them.
  • The initial renders looked terrible but the ones showed here look gorgeous.
  • I like the white one! Might get one next winter for my contract renewal. Not sure which size, I have to hold it with my own hands first.
  • These look awesome! Luckily there's a Microsoft store around the corner here...I'm gonna get one!! I'm hoping for a good price though.
  • Haha, I would gladly walk into a MS store to buy this and a few other things. Would have to take a trip to the US though. Hmmm combined with a holiday in a nice area, not such a bad idea. :-)
  • Yup, still ugly. But if they offer a free continuum dock with them in the US, I'd get one as a backup to my One.
  • Still look better and likely will be better supported than your precious htc.
  • They look handsome... Could've been worse
  • 32gb + microsd? yes please! I'm guessing the back cover is removable since it also mentions removable battery. Button setup looks similar to my Lumia 930 so the long button is volume up/down, the middle button is power and the other button is camera. 950xl buttons look a bit different though....
  • There is no micro SD lool. Microsoft have failed again
  • Uh, where is your source for that info? As far as I have heard, these will sport both microSD and removable batteries.
  • Reread the article. It does come with expandable memory. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Just hope ATT carries it.....
  • That's the problem, only att will carry it.  Same mistake they always make.  iphones are available on every freaking carrier
  • T mo is also expected to have at least one of them. Verizon unlikely. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Your chances are much better than mine.  I'm on Tmobile.
  • Don't think they're carrying the XL, just the 950. Just what I've read on this site somewhere.
  • Funny how the time on the 950 and 950 XL is 9:50, anyone else notice that?
  • Yes. Nokia and MS always do that.:) Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • They do that with all the Lumia phones...
  • Thank god they changed their mind on requiring the flip cover for wireless charging on the 950! Now let's hope there is some way to get this on Verizon... :-/
  • Doesn't change a thing for me. I'm getting a 950XL no matter what :)
  • No wacom support, so disappointed.
    How freakin long do we have to wait for a WP with pen support?
  • Well it's never going to have Wacom, after Microsoft purchased N-trig and all.  As for a pen, it's rumored that the Surface 3 / Surface Pro 3 pen will work, but I still haven't seen any confirmation either way.
  • Well of course N-trig would be fine as well, just want a good working pen with my smartphone.
    Never heard of those rumors and the pen should always be attached to the phone, like Samsung nailed it with the note.
  • In my opinion, I'd rather use my finger on a device this small. If I really need to use a pen for something, I'm going to refer to my Venue Pro8, which is where the real note-taking happens.
  • Never going to be Wacom support. MS owns NTrig
  • 808, looks like note 4 competitor?!
  • Looks pricey.
  • Not liking the number of areas the XL is better than the regular. Personally don't want a phone that big, but do want the rest of the specs.
  • To be fair, we aren't really sure that the differences will be all that noticeable in the real world. The 810 has a pretty terrible reputation, so the 808 may be a better option. Triple flash. Do we know how much of a difference that is going to make? (not rhetorical. honest question.) And the larger battery is more than likely just to offset the larger screen. The actual battery use may not be much different.   Note: I really, really, want the 950 XL as an upgrade to my 1520, but I'm probably going to end up with the 950. So most of these reasons are a direct result of me trying to talk myself out of the XL. :-)
  • So the Moto X Pure has very similar specs and costs $399-449...so anything more than that, I'm done and off to Andriod M....why would Microsoft think they deserve a premium? For UsB Type C? For the iris scanner? For a very half baked W10mobile? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Oh it'll def be priced higher than that.  
  • You are already on Android.
  • You can leave now because it will be priced higher than the Moto. I just prefer the WP os which is why I'm willing to pay more for it. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Interesting that the 950 says Qi wireless chargin, while the XL says Qi wireless charging integrated. I wonder if this means that the 950 will actually not have the Qi wireless without a charging case or something. I am invested enough in wireless chargers, don't usually put cases on my phones, and prefer not to use phablets (tight pockets, not too huge hands, too much one handed uses)..... if what I feel is correct, that will suck... :(
  • Qi on the 950 only via a case.  950xl will have integrated Qi.  My 920 had integrated Qi also... sadly they're taking 2 steps backwards.
  • No, 950 also has integrated Qi charging. Please read the article again.
  • Reading is hard, both have qi built in Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Yes. Reading is hard. Relying on the information in this article you have to assume that "Lumia 950 will now have Qi wireless charging without a flip cover" means that the Qi is built in. While that assumption is probably correct, you probably shouldn't be so quick to take someone to task based on your assumption.
  • This is the case, 950 needs a Qi backplate.
  • The wording is interesting. The article states that "Lumia 950 will now have Qi wireless charging without a flip cover." This could and most likely means that the 950 will have Qi wireless charging integrated. However, this could also have other meanings, such as the 950 having Qi wireless charging with a non-flip cover. Hopefully Daniel can clarify this for us.
  • I want to be in the country with the free continuum dock! Go USA
  • Gorgeous, but since I'm on Verizon I'm sure there's no chance for me.  Sticking with my Icon and getting 10 through the insider program when it's release-ready, since I'm absolutely sure Big Red Dick won't give that up either. And no Verizon, I don't want a goddamned iphone or samsung!
  • You are a brave soul and carrier exclusives suck