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Windows 10X is on ice as Microsoft focuses efforts on rejuvenating Windows 10 desktop instead

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What you need to know

  • A new report claims Windows 10X is not happening this year.
  • Microsoft is focused on rejuvenating Windows Desktop instead.

A new report from Petri today claims that Microsoft has put Windows 10X on hold indefinitely, with no plans to bring it to market this year. This comes after Microsoft publicly delayed Windows 10X, promising a launch in 2021 that would come first to single-screen PCs. Now, it looks like that plan has been totally scrapped, and 10X is now on the backburner as Microsoft refocuses its efforts on the full version of Windows 10.

I can confirm that I've been hearing the same over the last several weeks. Microsoft halted Windows 10X internal selfhost testing in February, and hasn't restarted it since. Microsoft used to offer 10X selfhost builds for a number of Surface devices, but all of those selfhost images have been removed from the internal portal, and movement on 10X as a whole has grinded to a halt.

Windows 10X is an a rough position now that Sun Valley is in the works for Windows 10 desktop. Microsoft's Sun Valley effort aims to reinvigorate the Windows Desktop with modern user interfaces and experiences, and that includes bringing over many Windows 10X innovations to the full version of Windows 10. This leaves little reason for Microsoft to ship Windows 10X this year.

Perhaps Microsoft will revisit the idea of Windows 10X in the future, but for now it's not happening, as all of Microsoft's efforts are focused on bringing Sun Valley to life in time for the fall release of Windows 10. This update will be the biggest for Windows 10 so far, introducing a new UX, iconography, sounds, features, and more. It's going to be a Windows 11 in all but name.

Some of Windows 10X's advantages, such as faster Windows Updates, lower spec requirements, and a locked-down, state separated OS image are things that Windows users are going to have to miss out on for now. Microsoft could work these things into Windows Desktop in the future, but that's just speculation. The Sun Valley effort is mostly about the UI and UX layers, not underlying technical OS changes.

Microsoft's money maker is Windows 10, with over 1.3 billion users. It's right for Microsoft to cater to that market first before trying to launch a new version of Windows that can only be acquired by buying a new PC. If Microsoft is able to modernize full Windows 10 in a similar way that it did with Windows 10X, the need for Windows 10X becomes less obvious. And that's exactly what Sun Valley is doing.

Microsoft is expected to talk more about Windows in the next month or so at a rumored dedicated Windows event. Microsoft wants the world to know that "Windows is back," with a shiny new release and a reinvigorated effort to make it the best OS in the world. Windows 10X not happening is a major blowback, but the things Microsoft has in the works for desktop will likely overshadow Windows 10X anyway.

What are your thoughts? Do you think Microsoft should prioritize Windows 10X over trying to modernize Windows 10 desktop? Let us know in the comments.

Zac Bowden
Senior Editor

Zac Bowden is a Senior Editor at Windows Central. Bringing you exclusive coverage into the world of Windows 10 on PCs, tablets, phones, and more. Also an avid collector of rare Microsoft prototype devices! Keep in touch on Twitter: @zacbowden.

115 Comments
  • What might the implications be for Neo? Will it launch with Windows 10 with Sun Valley? Or is it probably delayed until 10X, assuming 10X does come out at some point.
  • Android, if it gets released at all. Duo seems to be doing decently, so it would make sense for them to match. Android would be better on 9"screens anyways.
  • Solid no.
    Android works on the Duo just fine, but Neo needs to run on Windows. Full windows.
  • Full Windows on a 9" screen? Why?
  • Because it would replace my Surface Pro. That's why. I need more mobility, not less productivity. And it's two 9 inch screens.
  • What are you doing to do on a 9" WoA touchscreen that you can't do on an iPad or Android?
  • Thing is, it's not a 9" screen. It's 13" unfolded. That's Surface Pro size. I'd suggest there are actually a lot of Windows apps that would run fine in 9", but they are the Win 8/Win10 S, UWP, sorts of things. The catch is providing some sort of input device, keyboard/trackpad, to be used when in unfolded, landscape, Surface Pro-ish style without compromising the portability. Don't disagree that 9" is too small for full windows. Own a 9" Windows tablet. Not pretty. Well, actually looks nice, but is frustrating to use with touch. Keyboard and good set of reading glasses fixes that, but then the size advantage is lost.
  • For me, if I need my Go, it is only for semi-serious work. It goes in a small shoulder bag with a thin, bluetooth mouse and keyboard for use at a table. Otherwise, a large phone is all I carry around. I don't even bother with the Go as a tablet. There just is so little need for anything to bridge the phone/laptop gap, unless you are bound and determined to own yet another piece of tech you have to keep updated, administered, and stocked with appropriate software.
  • No, it isn't a 13" screen, it is two 9" screens. Microsoft isn't in a hurry to release this thing for a reason. I bet anything the experience isn't sufficient. Android would certainly be superior at this point.
  • Does it mean we won't get a proper touch-optimized OS from Microsoft in near future? Windows 10X seemed like a big step forward.
  • If you are waiting for a proper touch-optimized OS from Microsoft, don't hold your breath. All the Windows Phone folks have been re-assigned, let go, or left.
  • ChromeOS is the best 2-in-1 OS we have, until iPadOS gets a proper update treatment.
    Right now, the best use of SD8cx chip is to put it on a mid-range Chromebook Tablet, and allow the devs to develop Pro-level apps for ChromeOS Play Store. Google should unify Android into ChromeOS more by moving core elements directly into the OS. Sadly Microsoft doesn't seem at all interested in optimizing Windows 10 for their Surface Hardware, which will not last long with Apple working their ass off with their OS and app optimization.
  • So all these months (basically almost all of last year) that there was barely any progress on full Windows 10 because everyone was busy with 10X instead were basically for nothing? What a blow, must suck for the people involved, too.
  • A 'blow'?!? More like a scam to lead us to believe anything was being done.
  • How is it a scam if no consumer paid anything for it / it was not yet released?
  • Microsoft owes its customers a fairly finished/polished Windows 10. Upon release. That was 6 years ago. They keep working on stupid side projects -- as if -- the OS itself is lovely and consistently themed and organized. It's still one sorry mess. And adding the weather in the taskbar (with yet another new font) that's just an excuse to collect data and sell advertising? I'd call that a scam.
  • Have you been keeping an eye on Insider builds lately ?
    Windows 10 is gonna be AMAZING Man , Best OS with Superb Features
    You just wait boii
  • That is not the definition of a scam, what you describe is a widget lol. Concerning the new font, that is actually polishing Windows. What you probably do/did not understand is that the new font is there among other things to help make small text more readable (you could say stuff like the fonts weight and shapes actually changes between zooming in and out). This is quite important for people that need to read big texts (like large spreadsheets) on laptops.
  • "It's going to be a Windows 11 in all but name." Considering what we've seen of Sun Valley so far, this seems like a huge overstatement. Unless you compare it to 1507, I guess.
  • You've not seen Sun Valley yet. Microsoft is keeping it under wraps, and it won't be available in the Insider Program until after it's announced. Likely in the next month or two.
  • Have you seen more than the concepts you've shown us and talked about?
  • When has the answer ever been 'no' to that question lol. There is always way more behind the scenes than we have shown publicly for various reasons.
  • Okay, fair enough.
  • Stop making us all jealous of your awesome reporting skills. 😝
  • There's just as often less, to be fair. This is a perfect case in point. There is no (and I have guessed as much since it was first announced) and there will be no 10X. But I sure saw a lot about it!
  • And still, the responses in brought-to-market HW from MS have been mediocre, at best, and in spite of your very visible, solid & enthusiastic advocacy? These, the Neo and Windows X, are only the latest in grossly disappointing lack of innovation, which excludes mere commodity laptop business and tablet innovation, which is really just gradual improvement on the top of many years of actual experience, not real innovation. I don't see where 'behind the scenes' politics and intrigue are ever delivering anything exceptional, much less better than what is actually being reported.
  • Just wondering, have you seen it, Zac? If so, do you think it will be a bigger update than 8.1 => 10 or 7 => 8?
  • Probably you can expect something like Windows 8 --> 8.1, but with more significant changes at UI/UX level.
  • What happened to project latte? Is that still coming or no.
  • I am not sure. The thing is that many of the Android apps were made for phones (smaller than 9" screens). Microsoft is not making a device that small running Windows. These apps have to be repackaged for larger screens and minus Google Play Services. The question is if this will capture the masses and the devs. Windows 10X on the Neo had a shot but if that is shelved, I am not sure if it will come after all.
  • Not gonna happen unless Microsoft makes their own M1 equivalent ARM chip and works on WoA.
  • Microsoft can't make their default browser to use the OS's style touch text selection UI/UX. For two years of feedback about it they don't even bother to acknowledge this or any other serious feedback about touch input. What difference a few months of taking a few developers from W10x and dumping them on Sun Valley can really make?
  • I agree. Touch input handling on the Edge Chromium sucks. Legacy Edge worked great for touch input. It is really amazing how entire developments teams can be oblivious to knowing about touch. With millions of 2-in-1's out there, it is required to support touch now on Windows apps.
  • Yup, tried Edge on my 2-in-1 laptop, switched back to Google Chrome after realizing how bad Edge was with Touch UI along with whole bunch of other things. Microsoft's sole software efforts seem to be dedicated to improving their Office 365 x86 experience for the Apple M1 chip, and nothing more.
  • Chrome is not better, it has the same issues as Edge because they are the same at the core...
  • At this point the new hardware won't be the same because of how long it Windows 10X has been delayed, for the looks of it will be close to 2 years since the initial launch window.
  • That's what they said for the Duo, and then it launched with a relatively 'last year's model' processor, as if it were a last gasp, get it out the door and see what happens so we can reassign all these people to better, longer-term positions that may let them take out a mortgage and pay it down a couple year.
  • I'm actually all for this. I think Windows 10X can take its time, especially as the initial iteration was anyway planned to be a Windows 'lite', without legacy support in a virtual container. New hardware is also needed, which is an extra hurdle for mass adoption.
    I only hope the Surface Neo still sees the light of day, but I'm okay with Sun Valley taking priority right now.
  • I'm... not mad at this. Windows 10X, for all its promises, is still vaporware. General consumers haven't heard of 10X, and few outside of industry insiders and tech enthusiasts have even used it. You also have to consider the massive uphill battle 10X would face. 10X is supposed to be Microsoft's version of ChromeOS but WITHOUT a gut of store apps and little to no legacy support from Windows x86. 10X is trying to find a fourth spot between Google, Apple, and Windows 10 proper. I also wonder how much of this decision is because of chip manufacturers. 10X seemed like a much better idea 2-3 years ago when chip makers didn't have a good solution for Windows. Now there's the 11th-gen Core series, 8cx/SQ, and Ryzen 5000 series. OEMs can get 10 hours of battery life with amazing performance and LTE. After the gigantic sales spike of Windows devices during the pandemic, I could see why OEMs would be hesitant to introduce another product line when the one they have is selling so well. Yes I get that 10X was made for low-end devices while the chips I just listed are for the high end but... educational prices for Windows 10 laptops can be as low as $240 while also offering the full Windows 10 experience. Maybe Microsoft is seeing less of a reason to cannibalize that market. Perhaps Microsoft is starting to believe that in the long run, it's cheaper and easier to clean up Windows 10 than it is to introduce a competitor to itself. None of this is to say that 10X will never see the light of day, merely that releasing 10X isn't as urgent as tech enthusiasts like to believe it is, and Microsoft can continue to work on 10X in the background until the time is right.
  • I think your speculations are accurate. 10X really has no urgency imho, at least not since the processors got much more efficient. For all its 'shortcomings', the desktop 10 is still extremely capable and versatile. Yes, tablet mode may not be great, but it's still very useable and gets the job done. I personally saw 10X as a fun OS, but no way I was even remotely planning to move my 'real work' to 10X. Just too new and stripped down without the x86 virtualization. So I think 10X can take its time to bake and release with the x86 container.
  • The increased efficiency with the new Intel processors probably are what tipped their hand. Fortunately, that probably bodes better for the Neo, which suddenly has a much higher chance of being a very capable two-in-one solution if some nice tablet-friendly changes can actually be folded into Sun Valley.
  • Well said, HeyCori. Good insights. It would be interesting to learn what factors went into this -- internal technical challenges, market research, Panos Panay personally pushing to have/not have 2 separate OS's, PC usage changes due to COVID-19, chip shortages, chip advances... I'm sure some of these would push the scales in the other direction, but I honestly don't know which factors encourage a separate 10X and which push for improving Windows 10 and consolidating to a single OS.
  • There is one iOS. One Android. And one Windows.
  • What a shame. I was really looking forward to the Neo.
  • Sun Valley is worth it , IF Microsoft really puts effort and focus on it
    IT WOULD BE AMAZING , i m literally Hyped
  • I'm honestly shocked that Microsoft is dedicating time to making Windows 10 better rather than dedicating efforts to improve their Linux support thereby signaling their virtue to the three anti-Microsoft zealots that use it.
  • You think there's only three people using WSL? lol
  • First, I think the proper past tense form of the verb "Grind" is "Ground." Second, While I see the benefits of a more modular OS and the opportunities in the "lightweight" device market, I absolutely think it makes sense to be focusing on bringing Windows 10 fully up to modern times instead of having this substantial legacy debt from older versions clanking around behind the scenes. I also think that if you accept as inevitable that Cloud Windows will soon be a choice for your device, then Windows 10x could probably be a hell of a lot lighter than what they've been thinking.
  • Good lord, like a ship with no rudder.
  • When did Windows 3.0 debut? 1990. As this rudderless Windows ship has sailed around the world it has somehow collected 1.3 billion passengers,
  • 1.3 billion users after 31 years is nothing to brag about. Particularly when the vast majority of those users are business users, where they HAVE to use Windows. OTOH, there are around 4 billion smartphone users, after 13 years. The vast majority of them are willing users. Not forced.
  • Not sure one can say "not forced" if you want to engage in modern society.
  • naddy6969, Given that MSFT is the second or third most valuable company in the world (I am not including Aramco because it is a company created in a feudal society), I would say MSFT has been quite successful. Could they have bought Android? Could Ballmer have recognized the threat of the iPhone 2 years earlier? Sure. They were about 2 years behind Amazon in the cloud war. If they had made these two strategic decisions sooner, Then MSFT would be running about 90% of all desktop computers and smartphones in the world. But they would also be facing severe restrictions from the EU/DOJ about being a monopolist. As being forced to use Windows, this is a result of 30 plus years of maintaining backward compatibility for software services. Should everyone move to the latest secure software systems? Sure. Ask Colonial Pipeline (facing a ransomware attack) this morning how they like shutting down a 5500-mile pipeline that delivers gasoline to 50 plus million customers in the US. As with everything, MSFT recognizes the importance of serving its customers. Improving Windows 10 is critical. Could Windows 10X have been a solution to a more secure OS? I guess, but maybe they can make Windows 10 just as secure. Last month I paid Amazon $4.99 (I assume the Microsoft store took a cut) for a new PC-based kindle reader. I wonder how many people paid for this new beta-level piece of software? Do I think Amazon will kill the project? No. I think Amazon will keep improving the software. After using the software for a week, I went back to the old one, because the new one was not ready for prime time. But clearly, Amazon can see that 1 million (just guessing at the number) people bought (generating $5 million) this unfinished software. MSFT sees the same thing. Hardware is getting better. Cloud migration is continuing. IT departments are still deploying Windows devices. People are still buying new PCs. So there is a demand for Windows and they see their profits. MSFT is doing what all rational profit-based private companies do--invest capital improving their goods and services.
  • "The vast majority of them are willing users. Not forced.", you probably never heard of company-owned phones.
  • So I've been following this saga on Windows Central since the Andromeda days. I was disappointed when Windows Phone died. I moved on to iPhone. I've now forgotten about Windows 10 Mobile and got used to iPhone. My favorite and most versatile device now is my Surface Go (2018 version). That is a low spec device, but runs Windows 10 Home pretty well. If the Surface Go came out with 10X and didn't support local Win32 applications, I probably wouldn't buy it. I depend on some important Win32 applications. Over the years, Windows 10 has gotten very efficient with memory and disk usage. Use of things like power throttling and good memory management has allowed something like a Surface Go to work well. Also, OneDrive's Files On-Demand really helps with small drives. I have two 2K 27" monitors that are DisplayPort daisy chained. I can hook up my Surface Go's USB-C port with a USB-C to DisplayPort adaptor to these monitors, along with a Bluetooth keyboard and Bluetooth mouse, and I have a full desktop experience on a device that weigh a little over a pound. Then I can disconnect it and use it as a tablet that can render sheet music for music performance (or what ever else is best in tablet form factor). So I'm not so disappointed with the death of Windows 10X. I really do want to see continued movement with UWP application platform though.
  • I did wanted to add that I think Windows 10 needs to have safety and robustness built in. In other words, you should not need a third party virus projection software application running in the background all the time. And, third party apps should be fully controllable as to what they can do in the background. A Windows 10 system can get screwed up by installing bad actor third party applications that take up too much resources without the end user being aware. People wonder why their battery dies so quickly. Check how much stupid stuff is running all the time.
  • "You should not need third party virus protection software" is not how the Windows ecosystem was created. MSFT would provide the OS and others would make the hardware and software. But I do recognize your comment as being in a grey area. Why should Windows 10 need security software? No one is perfect and MSFT recognized that security was important and is spending capital on its Defender software to make Windows more secure. Some third-party security software developers may not like MSFT getting into this business, but MSFT had no choice.
  • Personally, I think it's for the best. As much as I love Windows 10, it really needs more focus on its renovation from the inside out that sun valley is going to provide. Putting Windows 10X in the back burner is a smart move so more focus and work can be done to modernize Windows 10
  • Fantastic news!!! Finally maybe MS is going to fix all the inconsistencies and bugs in Windows 10, maybe even add some new basic functionality... but MS please don't worry about the new icon designs, instead concentrate on the lack of consistency across the OS and those bug fixes!
  • Um, the new icons are part of a bigger consistency effort, so they indeed are essential to that process.
  • Yeah, considering Microsoft already moved to the new icon design, it's full implementation is a crucial part of the consistency considering how always visible the icons are for the user.
  • I fear for the safety of Windows 10's quality if the pressure valve of 10x is no longer around to catch all of the really horrible ideas.
  • Windows 10 very much should get all the love. I understand Tablet mode needs some love, but really any good boys from 10x touch interface could be moved over to W10. I am still hopeful that Panay can meld windows and Surface hardware to work very well together
  • Right move. Windows 10X belongs on Neo. Windows 10X is a tough sell when Chromebooks also exist with Google's much bigger mobile ecosystem.
  • Android belongs on Neo. Microsoft does not have the software or experiences to drive a device like Neo. They have nothing that works on a 9"screen.
  • Does Android really have anything that works in that dimension, either? I don't see people beating down the doors to get their hands on Android tablets, and every new year is just another "Well, it's getting close, but no cigar" compared to the iPad. That's the news I read on Android Central, and it's why I have an older iPad Pro and not an Android, and have switched out my Android tablet for an iPad Mini for my drone, too. Do you expect MS to support an Android app store any better than they do their own Windows apps for Surfaces and the like? I use the MS Launcher on my Note, but that is FAR smaller.
  • Microsoft doesn't have to support the Play Store. Everyone else does. Android apps are getting there, especially with the surge in Chromebook sales. Android certainly has apps that work well on a 9" screen. Even the ones that are optimized for a phone screen work fine at that size.
  • Bleached, I agree with you on this point. Let MSFT get the Duo more established. I would assume prosumers and the enterprise will decide if the dual-screen form factor is more productive (competing against the folding screen form factor) than a single screen device. If they do and software developers modify their software (like the Kindle reader--the PC-based solution is terrible) and build out the ecosystem, then how hard would it be for MSFT to introduce a larger (Neo) dual-screen device on android? MSFT can focus on the Duo getting the UI improved, building out software, and building the dual-screen ecosystem. How much could they be spending a month (100 engineers, $10K per)? How much are they spending on Windows 10 per month (10,000 engineers, 10$ per month). "Gartner said PC makers shipped 69.9 million units in the quarter," implies that MSFT made at least $3.5 billion in sales of Windows licenses. Duo revenues in comparison? SO MSFT needs to focus on Windows development, but not be blind to Android and other strategic threats.
  • "Even the ones that are optimized for a phone screen work fine at that size.", sure they 'work' 😏 (just like W10 programs technical work on 9" screen) but they do not make optimal usage of the screen estate and hence the experience is inferior compared to eg on IpadOS.
  • I think even the iPad has this same issue, apps not being optimized for the big screen. It isn't the same as Windows. It is still touch based, just blown up a bit. Much different than not touch optimize with tiny targets and no gestures.
  • Since you don't like Microsoft OS and windows why are you here
  • Why are you here big fan of Google please go to Android Central.
  • Not sure about that, Android works good on phones but on pro tablets its 'just' ok.
  • Android sucks on tablets and device is bigger than 6 inches
  • This is so sad. As a small business owner ChromeOS is a very tempting thing. It's simple, can run a whole team centrally and with no tech knowledge, and requires almost no tech maintenance. The big problem is I just don't trust or want to be in the google world. I was so excited about Windows 10x. We live and love office365 and would have been great to have basically a windows chrome os style operating system. I think many of you are super users. So function and features matter a lot. But for me and the few employees I have in my small business we all just use email, word, web browser, teams and save stuff to onedrive. Anyway really sad about this. It was I thought one of the most exciting things.
  • Without seeming to sell ChromeOS, I think you could do Chromebooks without genuflecting to Google too much. O365 works fine off the web, including TEAMs and OneDrive, and the android versions are pretty good too for offline stuff. You should pick up one and play with it.
  • Office 365 is best on Windows 10, bearable on MacOS and online, and unusable on IOS/iPadOS and Android. Looks like Microsoft is focusing more on improving the experience for M1 though.
  • I was and am a little confused by their renewed interest in Win32 applications and at the same time development of a new OS that basically don’t run them. It’s apparent to .NET developers, since if you want to use .NET 5 and up, you’re not able to with UWP, and they said they have no plans on making it possible. To be honest, this excites me. I never really liked the idea of 10X; I liked the benefits it brought, though. Maybe they can port that to Windows 10.
  • Well, there goes the Neo, along with any hopes for a windows flavoured Duo :(
  • I called it! Didn't think it was this quick, I predicted mid-summer, but this was obvious. They have no way to compete at this point, it is way late unless they have something groundbreaking.
  • I pretty much said the same thing, and also noted the Duo was stuck in Android App Purgatory because Windows X was not going to make it to the Duo when they couldn't even support a getting onto a Neo's small notebook form factor, much less a phone size. This was all a Warren Buffet Risk Level wager.
  • Yeah, it was quite obvious when we didn't hear anything for months. It just didn't make sense in the first place. I don't see how 10X competes with Windows 10, let alone everyone else. It brings nothing new to the table.
  • Microsoft gonna microsoft.
  • So we get W10X delayed to 2022 after it got delayed and reshifted away from the Neo after Core got shelved. This is a long, disappointing mess, watching MS talk up their plans to modernize Windows before seemingly limping back to x86 Windows to deal with their struggles. Seeing this next to W10A's struggles because of mediocre SoC performance (specifically after Apple's M1 showed up) is just not a great look for Microsoft. They're really having a hard time modernizing their ecosystem, in some ways. That's on top of ultimately leaving the Duo in a bit of an awkward state and uncertainty of what we're going to get from a follow-up or when. They have a LOT of work to do across their lineup these days. A lot of devices with a lot of potential, but a lot of seemingly wasted time struggling to get those ambitions into real products.
  • Hopefully this means abandoned idea called "tablet mode " will get much needed attention from Microsoft. Imo Windows 10x always felt like another features deprived beta os attempt by Microsoft.
  • I am starting to feel like back in the Andromeda announcement days. I start to believe the reason there won't be a 10X is because Windows 10 Sun Valley will become it straight. And maybe it will come with a customizable Shell that may be remeniscent of Windows 10X mock-ups.
  • And, what's the NEXT excuse MS uses after they finally get Sun Valley out of the BSOD ditch they'll drive it into for some vendor's hardware? It's gonna happen because it ALWAYS happens.
  • My thoughts are that honestly it was diffucult to understand the 10x move since the beginning. What was it for? Nobody could tell clearly. First it was for double screen windows tablets, then it was for low cost devices probably with a cloud OS, finally even for new notebooks without win32 apps ...
    Neither of them seemed a good choice to me over the standard windows 10 and its possible modifications. Not after the story of RT, w10m, S mode, w10 on ARM and all those versions with some sort of limitations. I still think Windows Phone shouldn't have been closed by the way.
  • Good riddance. The 10X was a stupid idea to begin with and I am glad it died.
  • Microsoft should take Windows 7, update the look slightly, and release it as just "Windows" and don't touch it. Keep it updated with security patches and that is it, nothing else new. All the legacy stuff can live there. Release a brand new operating system not called Windows and combine it with new ARM processors. Put all the effort in. Make all new apps, experiences, and features only available on "Not Windows". Push it hard, and don't give up. If it is good, people will slowly start switching over to get the new features and devices. It will take time, it will be hard, but if they keep pushing it and supporting it, it will grow and eventually replace Windows.
  • But any new "not Windows" will never replace Windows unless it runs all the legacy Win32 stuff that all businesses depend on. No business wants new apps and new experiences. That means new training for all employees. Not gonna happen. That's why 8.1 did not sell. Businesses were not interested. Microsoft - and all the Windows fans (and fan sites like this place) - need to realize that Windows is now legacy software. It has been for the last 5 years or so. Windows needs to go into permanent maintenance mode and everyone needs to just Get Over It. The twice yearly updates are absurd and totally unnecessary (and unwanted) to the core user base. Which is, of course, businesses. Who are running the Enterprise version and thus do not put up with the constant updates anyway. Android is Microsoft's only hope for whatever consumer-focused devices they might want to try to sell. Which explains why the Duo - as lame as it is - is running Android. Which explains why 10X is now dead. Which explains why UWP went nowhere. Consumers - and developers - are no longer interested in Windows. There are other, better choices.
  • Eventually they can move people away from Windows. They just need something to move them to. It will take time and commitment. How long has Google been pushing ChromeOS? Does Microsoft want people moving to Chrome? Just sitting on legacy Windows is how you get people to move to Chrome.
  • I agree except with the time frame. Windows has been a legacy OS for going ontwo decades...at least since the oughta. Unless you count Web chat software, I don't think there's a single mass-market piece of software for Windows (other than games) that didn't exist in the 90s. Indeed, other than Office, I don't think there's a single mass-market program for Windows, but of the ones that are close (Photoshop and the like) all are relativity ancient.
  • Taking Windows 7 would be a mistake, Windows 7 would be going back to the past, we have to overcome Windows 7, it is no longer supported by AMD, Intel and part of NVIDIA, it does not have support for SSD and apart from Windows 7 it fragmented HDD until it could not Plus, Windows 7 is dead.
  • "Microsoft's money maker is Windows 10, with over 1.3 billion users. It's right for Microsoft to cater to that market first before trying to launch a new version of Windows that can only be acquired by buying a new PC." I have been saying this for years. Microsoft's REAL customers are businesses. That is where the vast majority of those 1.3 billion users are. Wasting time and money on a consumer OS makes no sense. Consumers are using iOS and Android. Just like wasting time and money on Windows Phones made no sense. Consumers are using Android and iOS. But the problem here is this. Microsoft CAN'T make too many changes to Windows. Businesses won't buy it. Remember Windows 8 and 8.1. At this point, Windows is about as exciting as a DVD player. It has its uses, but no one is clamoring for a "new version with new experiences". It just needs to do what it has always done, the same way it has always done it. The fact that MS is even stating "Microsoft wants the world to know that "Windows is back" just proves that Windows is done. They are admitting that Windows has gone away. No one is saying "iOS is back!" iOS never went away. "and a reinvigorated effort to make it the best OS in the world." We already have a Best OS In The World. It's called Unix. It runs on mainframes, desktop PCs and PC Servers, all phones and many watches. The contest is over, and Windows lost.
  • There are still a huge number of consumers using Windows for productivity tasks, gaming, simple web browsing, e-mails, etc. Microsoft should of course improve the experience of Windows for consumers. The problem for Windows is now that more and more users have switched to Mac/iPad as a computer. They need to improve the experience of Windows.
  • "It just needs to do what it has always done, the same way it has always done it." - cannot agree to this. Microsoft has lost a majority of market share to macOS (and now iPadOS) because of this fixed mindset. It's a big mistake to think that there is no room for improvement when there are already huge number of users.
  • They're just stalling and stalling and stalling. I switched to Windows with 10 and have been using basically the same OS for how many years now? An OS that has one dumb feature after another introduced to be only pulled a year later? If Apple keeps nudging their prices is down I might go back.
  • The only feasible strategy is to transit slowly from Windows 10 to 10X.
    A brand new Win10X can't compete with iPadOS or even Android.
  • I have a better idea. Instead of forcing uwp, make uwp legacy and embrace win32 api. Make windows fast for low end devices like windows 2000. Also add new stuff to win32 api and use low languages, c, rust instead of javascript.
    When windows will be fast everybody will like it.
  • I'm with you. A pity this is unlikely to happen.
  • Disappointing, but maybe this will refocus some of the UI energy onto Win10. I never understood why 10x was built for intel chips anyway. Yes, I know why from a technical standpoint, but from a device standpoint it made no sense. Intel lower-end chips (which is where 10X was aimed) are anemic compared to ARM chips at the lower end and the system would have worked better from there, but the insistence on both worlds, UWP native and Win32 in emulation made it a technical nightmare.
  • I have three things to say:
    1. Microsoft, as a for-profit publically traded corporation aka MSFT, is absolutely doing the right thing here, as the current massive userbase needs to feel like they get the priority over the uncertain future of a new Windows OS. 2. This is going to cause a split in the computer market: regular users will skip PCs and choose between cheap Chromebooks or expensive Macs. PC gamers will be exclusive Windows PC users and skip Chromebooks and Macs completely. Nothing wrong with this division, except that Windows will continue to lose market share. 3. Whatever track they are on, make sure that Windows keeps getting optimized for gaming. Increase R&D on increasing DirectX 3D performance (not saying it is slow at all; it is not - just make it even faster than it is). Make a tighter integration with Xbox services to showcase how much better Xbox is for PC gamers compared to Playstation.
    Right now, all I hear is this: ”Haha! Why would I buy the Xbox, are you crazy? I have a gaming PC already, which I can play all important Xbox games on. I bought the PS4 and PS5 so I could play both Xbox and Playstation games without buying the Xbox”.