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Xbox One: Details emerge on licensing, online connectivity, and privacy

On May 21st, when Microsoft officially announced the Xbox One a lot of questions still remained. Will I be able to sell my games? Share my games? Do I need an internet connection once a day or once a month? These were questions we did not expect answered until E3, but Microsoft has decided to attack these concerns head-on and has shared their plans on all these fronts and more. That leaves E3 to be focused on games (a good call in our book). Details on the Xbox One after the break.

To connect or not to connect

The earliest (and biggest) rumor about the next Xbox has been whether or not it would require a constant internet connection to play games or use. That rumor started months before the official unveil and details remained murky after the event.

It’s not surprise that Microsoft is pushing for online connections with the next Xbox. After all, next generation games will be literally powered by both your Xbox and servers thousands of miles from your home. It’s actually a clever trick to combat the Wii U and PlayStation 4. Your Xbox One will actually get more powerful over time.

The following are examples that Microsoft has listed on their site as benefits for using the cloud:

  • Because every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection, developers can create massive, persistent worlds that evolve even when you’re not playing.
  • Xbox One is designed to run in a low-powered, connected state. This means your system, games and apps are always current and ready to play—no more waiting for updates.
  • Never miss an opportunity to play games with your friends or to catch up with family on Skype. Use Skype in Snap mode to chat while you play games or watch TV.  Or enjoy group video Skype calls with people around the world, all from the comfort of your living room.
  • After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud.  So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.
  • You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release.

Those sound like fairly good reasons for connecting your Xbox One to the internet. However, there are some potential cons to this approach. A persistent connection is apparently not required. However, if you want to game offline you can only do so for 24 hours or one hour from a console that isn’t your own. Offline gaming won’t be possible until you re-establish a connection (you can watch live TV or disc-based movies though). The reason? The Xbox One is designed (and required) to verify if your system, application, or games need updates or if you’ve acquired new games. Additionally checking if you’ve resold, traded in, or shared a game with a friend.

Licensing on the Xbox One

Needing to connect your Xbox One to the internet once in a 24 hour period to game may seem like con to a lot of people, but there are some pluses to this approach. You’ll benefit from this semi-constant connection when playing games. Here’s how licensing will work on the next generation Xbox.

Again from the Microsoft/Xbox One site:

  • You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release. Discs will continue to be a great way to install your games quickly.
  • After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud.  So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.
  • Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games.  Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.
  • Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games.  You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.
  • Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers.  Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.
  • Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

Something most of us have wanted for a long time is the ability to buy and download games the same day on our Xbox 360s. Now you can with the Xbox One. Whether you get your game through the cloud or a disc you’ll be able to access it anywhere you go through your Microsoft/Xbox account.

Your physical Xbox One will allow up to ten members of your “family” to log in with their accounts and play games you’ve installed.

Now for some cons. Microsoft has implement a system that allows you to sell your disc games to participating retailers. The issue is that publishers can enable or disable this for a specific game. So in some dark dystopian (near) future companies like Activision and EA may say you can resell your copies of Madden, but not Call of Duty. It’s also worth pointing out, that this system only mentions “participating retailers” but not individuals. Does this mean you can’t give your friend Halo 5 for ten bucks? No. You can give a disc-based game to a friend, without fees, so long as they’ve been on your friends list for at least 30 days. This move should stifle direct sales between two individuals. This also dependent on game publishers.

Privacy: Is your Kinect going to listen to your 24 hours a day?  

Another concern that the internet had after the unveil of the Xbox One centered on privacy and the Kinect. So Microsoft has given consumers control over their privacy and date. Again, from the Xbox site here is how you can control that data:

  • By design, you will determine how responsive and personalized your Xbox One is to you and your family during setup. The system will navigate you through key privacy options, like automatic or manual sign in, privacy settings, and clear notifications about how data is used. When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded.
  • If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences.
  • You can play games or enjoy applications that use data, such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission. Here are a few examples of potential future scenarios: A fitness game could measure heart rate data to provide you with improved feedback on your workout, allow you to track your progress, or even measure calories burned. Or a card game could allow you to bluff your virtual opponent using your facial expressions.
  • While it’s faster to find what you’re looking for using your voice and gesture commands with Kinect, you can use a controller, your remote controls or your smart devices instead. And you can use all of these devices when Kinect is paused.

A lot of people feared that the Kinect would be able to listen to you when the Xbox One was off. Apparently, when off, the Xbox One is only listening for one command in its low-power state: “Xbox On”. It’s nice to know that you’re in control when the Kinect is on, off or paused. Some games though will require Kinect functionality (again, at the discretion of the game developers/publisher). That’s up to you to play or not play those games.

Holy guacamole Batman! Information overload! Hit up the source links below to read the info. Don’t forget to share your thoughts, questions, and concerns below in the comments. We’ll do our best to answer.

Source: Xbox Connection (opens in new tab), Xbox Licensing (opens in new tab), Xbox Privacy (opens in new tab)

533 Comments
  • I have charter!!! My internet us done for periods of execs of 48 hours 3-4 times a week! Come on!!!
  • I'd be more upset with Charter than Microsoft on that one...
  • Why dont people get it. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. If you use your own xbox that one gets tied to you live account. You can play all games offline as long as you want. However if you use a second xbox that one you will have to be connected to the internet to download license every 24h.
     
    This is the same in the 360 now.
  • Nope, reread this: "However, if you want to game offline you can only do so for 24 hours or one hour from a console that isn’t your own."
    It says offline play on YOUR console is enabled for up to 24 hours, but on any other console it's only available for 1 hour.
    I've been without internet this week because some tool put a pnumatic drill through Virgins' main line that supplies my area on Monday, and I hadn't been home that weekend.  If i had an Xbox One i wouldn't have been able to use it until last night when Virgin replace the cable.
  • Good for you. So howmany times virgin changes cable?? once a month ??
  • But your WP should have internet sharing right? Its only for authentication etc so should be light on data.
  • This article confirms that I won't be buying the new Xbox. I'm fine with my 360 for a few more years. Might go PS4, depending on how they handle some of these things.
  • Yup fully agree with you on this one.  Can't go offline for more than 24 hours are you serious..... can't sell my game on ebay..... I love wp central, and I have a pretty deep microsoft ecosystem at home ( Surface pro, Server 2012, 360, desktop, thinking of a winphone), but no amount of positive spin in the world can make these draconian measures acceptable. I'll most likely buy a PS4 or nothing at all. 
    In an industry in which you only have two real dominant forces ( Sony, Microsoft [ninetendo a distant third these days]), its likely that such plans have been decided between them, I pray for the sake of the gaming industry that Sony do not follow.  They really could have a bonanza on there hands if they dont.... I hope Microsoft really get burned for this stupidity.
  • By your own statement, you have no internet at all regularly.  48 hours = 2 days.  2 days x 3 or 4 times a week = 7 or 8 days a week.  If you are paying for this, I would recommend you start holding your provider responsible, file complaints with the BBB, etc.
     
    Honestly, it sounds like you're full of it and just whining.
  • Ha ha...
    Yep.
    My charter works great.
  • I'm not full of it...it is my only option. Only cable company, and I live surrounded by nature preserves, which eliminates dish. So back off, jack hole.
  • In this scenario the Xbox One is definitely a fail. I can't believe they didn't consider this use case.
  • Right, the use case of not ever having any internet or even a smart phone with internet.
     
    Certainly a niche case for someone who can afford an XB1 and games to begin with...
  • LOL. You're so ignorant.  Living in an area with no cell reception or unreliable internet doesn't have anything to do with being able to afford an Xbox.  Shit, I live in an upper-middle class neighborhood in the hills and my cell reception is crap.  I have to go down the hill amongst all of you cretins to be able to use my cell phone.  When I go to my summer home in the mountains the cell reception is also crap and the Internet is slow and unreliable.
  • No need for name calling their buddy. Your cell reception may be crap but what about you internet? Is it down for more than 24hrs on a REGULAR basis? In an "upper-middle class neighborhood"? Really? We all get that connectiviey in the boonies is spotty. But how many people live in the boonies? People living their have a resonable expectation of not having the same level of access as people closer to major population centers. More entertainment is going to require internet, iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, etc. Physical media and totally offline devices are going to become more niche as internet become more pervasive and even in "hard to reach" places. You still have the option to buy offline only content and platforms (while they last at least) and XB1 will not be one of them.
     
  • I think that's his point though, isn't it? He's going to take that option.
     
    And so will I.
  • In Baghdad, Iraq i get internet 24/7. okay few minute outages here and there but come on, so much bullshit here. Who doesnt have access to the net within 2 days? but i do love how you have internet for this message, sod off fanboy, don't hate for no reason.
     
    Everyone is doing this anyway but as soon as they say hey you gotta be active people run around with their hands up crying like babies!
  • Translation:  "He/she has Charter as their provider.  His/her internet is down for periods in excess of forty-eight hours, three to four times every week.  Aw, shucks!"
  • Thank you very much! I was about to get insane trying to understand that comment.
    I've read it more than 10 times. Tryed to translate each word separately to my own language. Tryed Bing Translator. And I still was unable to understand it.
    I was starting to question if I could really say I speak English... xD
  • *tried
  • In other words, the internet is never on. How does he get to wpcentral?
  • I'm assuming phone. Maybe OP could look into tethering. The source says Xbox one needs around 1.5Mbps I think
  • Maybe he just whines so loud his words imprint themselves right onto the WPCentral servers' hard drives...
  • Sounds like a personal problem. You get what you pay for....
  • I have Charter, never off, get consistent 40 to 50 down and 4 to 5 up. At all times. You need to contact them and find out what the issue is.
  • I work for Charter and I can tell you I have never heard of such an issue. Best to call me, we can fix it. Complain, complain, complain but ask for a supervisor or senior tech and they will fix it.
  • I will get both at launch. My internet is up 99.999% and have 50 MBS.
  • Last time I was having internet problems with charter was because someone was trying to steal cable...
  • While I can see the requirement to be connected to be an issue for some, I don't like the Kinect requirement. I game at a computer desk and I share the monitor with the PC, there's no place for the Kinect. My other Xbox is 10 feet away from the screen, but needs 20 feet of cable to be run neatly. Since there's no extension, I only plugin when we play a Kinect game. This new licensing model does solve a forever problem for me, however. Now my kids can play the games I buy without me having to sign in on the other console. I have no problem with these changes, for the most part they are for the better. I would prefer the option to not use Kinect at all, or at least have some cabling options.
  • Your problem is so little man.. below is the future problems of Xbox users:
     
    User: Xbox ON (nothing happend)
    User: Xbox ON (mothing on my TV Screen)
    User: Xbox WTF is wrong with you.. "Xbox ON" .... uhhuuuuuuu!!
    Xbox: "I am on you a' hole" , Turn your F TV ON.... press the remote button.
    User: .. oh sorry Xbox..
  • i think the need to connect every 24hr will be removed after a year or two, i've had issues connecting to Xbox live several times for the past two years, eventually "i think" they are just going to give in
  • Yes, I had a hell of a time connecting to live today!
  • Have you ever thought it might be your provider?  I have yet to have any issues logging into Xbox Live that wasn't a mass outage (which nothing has been reported over the past few weeks.)  And you do know about the Xbox Live Service Status Dashboard, right?  If not, go here:  http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-live-status
     
    This whole "Wah, wah, xbox connection required" is mostly crap.  I certainly feel for those in a horrible location where broadband services are lacking. 
  • Yep I rarely have issues either.. Maybe once every 6 months here
  • I would love to agree with you but unfortunately can't.
    I live in Porto (the biggest city in Portugal after the capital) where internet is great: up to 360 Mb/sec and I don't remember it to fail even once since I came here last year so XBox Connection wouldn't represent a problem at all.
    By the other hand, my parents live in a small village (about 500 inhabitants) in the center of Portugal. They do have internet connection (like almost everyone in Portugal) but the village is small so they can't get over 2 Mb/sec. The biggest problem is the internet is provided by cable which is made of copper and goes throw some unpopulated areas in the woods. That means large portions of cable are stolen about once every two/three months. Again, the village is small, so getting the cables back and reestablish the connection isn't exactly an emergency for the internet provider, resulting in one or two weeks without phone (except mobile phones), television (except satellite) and internet (except mobile internet that is slow, expensive and all the plans have limited data).
    A lot of people live in big cities and has a god, fast and stable internet connection but there are also lots of people incapable of get it. Saying "XBox One Live Connection sucks because I can't afford to have a good internet connection" is very stupid. If someone can't afford it, shouldn't even think about spending 600€ in a XBox. But some people can't really have a reliable internet connection despite how much they pay and those people are the ones who can complain.
    I love my Lumia and my Windows PC so I'll probably buy a XBox One anyway but it's hard to recommend it to someone in that conditions.
  • exactly what i mean, it's not that MS's service going down, it's when our end of the provider fails we take the hit and we can't blame our provider either, at least in the sense that  they are not responsible for our Xbox (im still getting it btw :) )
  • Well, in my opinion, it is your provider's responsibility to provide you with the service you are paying for. So when it goes out, they are completely at fault / responsible for fixing it or refunding you.
  • My internet is better than ever but connecting to X Box live gets more difficult by the month.
  • I do not agree.  In 6 months nobody will even be talking about this issue any longer.
  • The only way that will be true is if the system dies so completely that nobody even remembers it. Otherwise it will dog the console for the rest of its lifespan.
  • No. It won't. This is the future, we are slowly moving to a digital download only type of environment where you will need to be online to get your games anyway so all the crying about preowned this and that needs to stop. Can you sell your steam games preowned? No. Who cares if you can't sell your game in eBay. Quit trying to rip off publishers. The only part of Xbox one that I actually agree is an issue is the 24h connection check which I'm sure MS will eventually pull a backflip on.
  • "Quit trying to rip off publishers" ...?! If you buy a game, you pay the publisher for the game, in a sense, because they get a portion of all sales. When you buy anything, that object, whether it be game, food or other, becomes your property to do with as you please. You can sell your personal property, or should be able to at least. No different with games you have legally purchased. Don't confuse game resale with piracy.
  • Nicely said.
  • +1
  • That's not how that works with media like software, music, movies, TV, etc. You may buy the physical disc, but you never (unless expressly granted in the license) own the content on the disk. So yes, it's your choice to resell the physical disc and packaging, but the owner of the digital content, the publisher, has the choice of whether to allow anyone to access said content after resale without additional fees.
  • exactly. people are complaining about nothing really... who cares if you can't play a video game offline after 48 hours of no connectivity. who even does this in the first place?
    i think this looks like a sweet system to replace my ps3 (though all i play is fifa... online of course)
  • I've got mixed feelings about the Xbox One. But If I end up not liking it I'll probably just upgrade my PC
  • I am with you on that one.
  • I think you should just do that anyway... =P
  • Lol
  • Well I mean it's most likely already better than an X1.. Mines been for the past year..
  • Wow to be honest Microsoft is making this harder that it should be.
  • +XBONE
  • Second
  • I'm thinking the publishers are making it more difficult not MS. Publishers are struggling and want to eliminate pirating. MS Probably would like to eliminate the heartbeat thing, but the publishers are probably not budging. I'd be surprised if the PS4 doesn't do something similar.
  • ^This Why do people try to pretend that the publishers aren't sick of not getting of that used game money and having their games stolen by pirates? So it MS holding back the publishers from releasing free, DRM free bits to the masses? Give it a rest people! The overwhelming majority of the games that will be released on XB1 and PS4 are going to come from these publishers which means MS/Sony have to make concessions whether we like it or not.
  • ^ Truth.
  • I've thought a bit more about this, and this 24 hr thing is short sighted. There's tons of military folk and others that take their console with them, where there is no internet. There just needs to be some reasonable restrictions when offline for an extended period.
  • The 24 hour period to verify games and ownership baffles me. This seems like it could be fixed by requiring an internet connection when you trade games. If you're not online to invalidate your local copy, you cannot trade or sell.
  • From what I understand (and I could be wrong) , they will require an internet connection to do the sell, which is how it's registered to the new person, and the reason for the online check on the hardware is to wipe the game from the system memory and not just the cloud. In theory, you could have a lot of games, plan to never be online and sell them while keeping them all for offline use. I understand the need, but I agree that the 24 hour period was not well thought out. I would make it that in order to sell the game you have to do it from the original system that it was installed in and require an internet connection at that time, which would force the wipe of the internal memory of the system. My 2 cents MSFT
  • SO is it the 24 hour time frame that has people upset - or is everyone trying to scam the system?  Would once every 72 periods be okay - once a week?
  • This makes 1000x more sense at a glance, but imagine for a minute how *very* screwed (and pissed off) you would be if your console breaks. Your games would be lost forever.
  • Nothing I've read says you won't be able to recover on a new console.
  • Agreed. If everything is stored on a cloud and your entire library is available when you log into another Xbox One then it would be easy to repair/purchase a new console and designate it as your new one. 
    I had to do this with a PS3 that gave up the ghost then got repaired.
  • The online verification is needed to help combat the game console modders out there.  Do you not remember Halo 4, CoD Black Ops and Madden 2012 all released on bittorrent days before the official release?
  • I have exactly ZERO problem with online verification to play online.
    Play a hacked copy of Halo4 all you want offline.
  • And that's where game developers are going to seriously disagree with you, and Microsoft appears to agree.  Sony would be nuts not to follow in the same footsteps.
  • Alright. How about won't work until you go online, it gets DRMd and locked to console. To sell/transfer, you have to be online.
  • And that is what this article is referring to.  You must be online for the DRM to reset it's watchdog timer, and to be able to sell/transfer a game to a friend.
  • My point was for it to lock down the app once by genuflecting towards Microsoft.
  • Yeah surly they could of made it once a week.. What's the harm in the user being able to access that game for the week then its removed? No issues for me personally, I'm connected every time my 360 is on.
  • Imnot getting one.. Fuck ms and their ads.. I got netflix and spotify because they are add free
  • Idk man, seems like advertisers will always find a way to get you somehow... =/
  • So that little adtile in your home screen bothers you? Then don't stare at the home screen, go play a game or go on Netflix. What's the problem!?
  • People love whining.
  • It's all become about the used games situation. All sides should just ink a deal with GameStop that allows them a cut from used sales instead of gouging the consumer. But I have to agree with a few that the internet connection situation will fizzle out a bit fast. Broadband is still pricey for most homes at $50. And then there are providers who gouge their customers with data caps. No fucking wonder we're #30 in terms of broadband around the world...
  • So they assume that Xbox one owners have internet? How ? I know a few of my buddys that don't have internet but still want the Xbox one how will this work for them or is the Xbox one aming
    towards online hammers only?
  • That's where I think will get the X1 in trouble.
  • I think the assume it because they require it. Its like when you see an * on a game and down below it says (requires internet connection). It will probably say that Xbox one requires broadband connection
  • You may not be ready for NextGen.
  • Says who there's no internet where my buddy lives how is he not ready for nexgen games
  • You have the software pirates to thank for it.  Then again it's also the publisher's fault for over charging.  They could have potentially sold the game at $29.99 through larger volume instead of $60.00.
  • Definitely the rising costs of development and over pricing. The late Kenji Eno had it right: some games, while very good, don't have the ability to sell well...
  • If no one bought the games at $60... do you think they would still charge $60? You can always wait until the prices come down in price.  You can buy Assassin's Creed III now for around $30.  Tomb Raider came out three months ago and you can get it for about $35 now.  Bioshock Infinite came out only two months ago and it's now $40. If you want the games as soon as they are released... well, you have to pay extra for that.  Same with phones or computers or televisions or movies or clothes.  Money buys the things you want sooner.
  • BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT!!!  Piracy on the 360 has been virtually nil because Microsoft can detect tampered systems and ban the entire machine off of XBL.  This doesn't stop people from hacking and playing offline images of games, but how many games do you know that are actually fun single player offline games?  I can count them on my fingers.  And you have to be really REALLY motivated to pirate.  This isn't like casual mp3 piracy.  Your argument is complete and utter horse shit. 
    This is all about mongers like EA and Activision.  They can't protect their over inflated profits because the used market competes with them so now they are going to kill the ability to resell games so they can keep the price of new unsed copies inflated forever.  This is outright anticompetitive and anti-consumer behavior and before it is all over with you will see the government getting in on this and investigating.  What happens when someone comes out with another stinker like Aliens Colonial Marines and you shell $60 fucking bucks on it? Well tough shit they can restrict resell and simply run with your money and you never recoup the value. But it gets better! What if they come out with Aliens Colonial Marines 2, and you don't want to buy it, but want to rent it first cause you got juked the first time....TOO BAD you can't! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! Microsoft is fucking up!
  • I didn't even think about renting. R.i.p. Gamefly.
  • That would suck if you can't rent or barrow games on XB1.
  • Ya, this system by Microsoft and the publishers seems to kill Gamefly's business model, which sucks because I've been using Gamefly for two years now. I hope Gamefly has a contingency plan!
  • Did you read the article, you can still sell your disk....there is a feature that might allow publishers to block it - but then that is on the publisher at that point, simply don'y buy their games.
     
    Also - I will be very suprised if the sony system is not similar.
  • You can't sell it to a friend, only to certain places that've been approved.
  • Exactly thats fricking ridiculous. Seriously Xbone is dead to me... im so frustrated, I though it would be the final piece in the puzzle.  How could they get it so wrong!  Its one thing not uderstanding what the consumer wants to a certain extent, but with the outcry that has occured over this, I can't believe they would get this so wrong... I'm shocked, i really didn't think Microsoft could be so insensitive to the feelings of theyre consumers.... They will be punished for this I can feel it, it was only the other day when the playstation 2 dominated, but the high price as well as coming to market late with the ps4 allowed the xbox 360 to establish significant momentum, and erode the near complete dominance of Sony.  That was in 1 generation. Things change quickly in gaming.
    The only thing I'm excited about with regards to gaming right now.... Oculus Rift...
  • Well, you can sell to a "friend" if they are on your friend's list on xbox live for more than 30 days....
     
    Still BS...nothing has changed from the rumors
  • The Verge reports that Microsoft is considering renting for the future, but not at launch
  • And it is because of modders who play offline why the X1 will require access to the internet every 24 hours, to disable people like that.  If you don't like their policies then don't buy it, there will be others that will. 
  • Wrong, Microsoft can only detect certain modified consoles. There are thousands of consoles online modified and not banned who will never be banned. ;)
  • This ^^^
  • Been gaming since original Xbox and one thing I learnt early on was trawl the internet for game reviews.i was interested in colonial marines the internet saved me 40.00 quid.never rented games.personally I don't see what all the fuss is about. I'm in :-D
  • 100% agree with in eller. I haven't hacked my 360 because i am happy buying a game (when the price comes down) and playing a bit of multi player and a bit of campaign (offline!!). This new online check stuff would give me a very good reason to hack it!!!
  • I do lend games to my "friends" once-in-a-while, so no problems here. My 360 is always "connected" via WiFi currently, so no problem. I'm still gonna buy my games from my local retailer though. I'm already looking to see which games to buy day one.
  • I'm glad this clarification regarding privacy and Kinect was issued. Though, sure, I'm still a bit suspicious on how exactly do they assure that the Kinect can only listen to the "Xbox on" command. I would very much like them to specify that, regardless of how technic the explanation can be. And I still find pretty stupid that system regarding games. If I buy a game, it's my property. If I want to then sell it on eBay I should be able to do so as I have every right to do it. These limitations based on greed and desire of sucking money out of people don't work well with me. And I bet they won't work well with many others.
    Still, let us see what Sony will do with PS4 regarding this exact same subject...and if they will capitalize on Microsoft's terrible move here or just play along with it.
  • My thoughts exactly. All I buy is used games. And that stupid Kinect. Eh. Plus always online connection is crap. At least now I can enjoy the outside more.
  • Can't remeber the last game I bought full price from a retailer...
  • Actually you buy the right to Play the media in the disc. The media is never yours, so they can do this kind of things
  • Uhhh no when you buy the disc it is your property. Your logic means that I only bought the right to sit on my couch. Or only bought the right to use my phone, or only bought the right to watch my bluray. Based on what you say nothing we buy is our own and we have no right to use or resale any way we see fit.
  • No, he is right, and you can thank Apple and Sony for that. Just because you have physical property does not mean you own the content on that property. This is why Apple can disallow jailbreaking and Sony can remove the linux OS ability, among other things.
  • I'm not familiar with Sony but apple is same as my couch analogy. I can jailbreak anything I want but I lose all quality assurances from apple like the warranty. Just like I can modify my lazy boy but if it breaks they want fix it.
  • According to Apples EULA/TOS you own the device itself, but the content on the device is only  licensed to you.
     
    Your analogy is at false. One is an electronic device, the other is a peice of furnature. There are no similarites between the products to substantiate an accurate analogy. An analogy is noting shared properties of two things, on the basis that there are further share other properties.
  • Yes the similarities is product ownership. The uela states I have no right to sale there os however I can buy sale and resell as many iPhones as I want without owing apple a dime outside the original purchase. Because when I purchase the product it became mine. Same with the game and the furniture.
  • The fact that you own them does not imply they are similar. I own a banana, and I own a car and they are no similiarities between the two. Either way, selling your used game is up to the publisher, MS already said that Microsoft Studios will allow it. Sony also announced similar policies, that they will be up to the publisher to enable them.
  • You are trying to sound clever but you are completely wrong in regards to analogies. You just end up sounding ridiculous. The two subjects of the analogy don't need to be the same, doofus. We just need to infer some similarities in a certain respect. His analogy between an iPhone and couch are perfectly valid as he had identified similarities; each product can be purchased, owned, and used. Therefore a valid analogy can of course be made. If you are going to try and be a smartass at least do it right.
  • Sorry but no, you cannot make a valid analogy through things that are used in two different ways.  There needs to be relevance in the similarities to make a valid analogy in an argument. A couch doesn't contain digital media, it is a peice of furniture. You do not agree to TOS or EULA by purchasing and using a couch. Just because you own them, or use them are not relevant similarities for analogy.  Perhaps you should read what John Stuart Mill had to say about this, and the fallacy of false analogy.
  • It is a valid argument as with everything that is made has a patent that cannot be pirated. So when I purchase the game I purchase the right to use all the media content in that game as its my license through the purchase. That however doesn't give me the right to pirate the software, but it does give me the right to sell my license that I purchase to someone else without any interference from the manufacturer. Thus the exact same principle applies to the couch when I purchase the couch which has patented technology I cannot pirate that and make my own and sell it. However through the purchase I bought the rights to that specific couch thus allowing my to resell to anyone without manufacturers consent.
  • You're comparing apples and oranges. A couch has nothing to do with a video game.  There are not sufficient similarities between those two products to provide a strong argument from analogy,  and it is weakened because the similiarties you are choosing are not relevant. Also, it isn't the patent that doesnt allow pirating, its the copyright that doesn't. A patent is just a set of rights given to an inventor for a limited period of time so that no one else can reproduce his/her product. So your couch has a patent, you cannot reproduce the couch and try to sell it for profit. Patents have nothing to do with reselling the existing product.
  • Now your just arguing to argue. I apologize for the misuse of the term patent. That however doesn't change the validity of the argument. I purchase the right to the license therefore I can resell without interference from the company. Same with the couch I purchase the couch through and through same as the game I can use and sell both as I see fit as I purchase the ownership of the content. I did not purchase the right to make either one and sell my own but I own the one I purchased period.
  • My argument is that your's has no validity. Your analogy was irrelevent for the products, and as others have also pointed out the EULA of the game states that you own the disc, you license the software. They have every legal right to prevent you from selling it to a retailer if they so wish. Doesn't make it a good thing, but it is their right, and by purchasing/using the product you have agreed to that, whether  you read the EULA or not.   If you want to make a strong analogy, use another product of digital media; using a couch is not relevant, they are completely different and it does not help to prove your point. 
  • The only thing you own is the disc. The content on the disc is owned by the copyright holder and you have a licence to use it.
  • Well hey I can't say I completely disagree with people who don't like the used game setup. I'll still buy a One but I think the best thing someone who doesn't like the DRM setup can do is vote with your dollar. And if the PS4 had a better drm system then support that one instead. MS will take notice if enough people do this instead of just accepting it.
  • This. Very much this.
  • Actually, the End User License Agreement you agree to when opening the package says otherwise that you DO NOT OWN the game, just the right to play it. The same goes for software. You have the right to install it and use it, but you cannot resell it legally.
  • No not true at all. You can't take that property duplicate it and sale more than the original copy. Piracy laws are in place so that your not stealing the software again I.e you make multiple copies and give/sell them.
  • Looks like someone doesn't understand what EULA's are for.  You have the RIGHT to make a BACKUP copy for yourself.  This is what the US Law of the land provides.  YOU do NOT have the right to then turn around and sell that copy you just made, no matter how many times you make a "backup copy."
  • Wow did you even read what I wrote. You just said exactly what I said to begin with the original copy is yours no ifs and or buts about it. You cannot duplicate it and sell for profit. Next time read/listen before you type/talk. Another thing fix your keyboard cap lock keeps turning itself on.
  • Piracy laws are in place so that your not stealing the software again I.e you make multiple copies and give/sell them. 
     
    Please read the quote from you verbatim.  How is that saying exactly the same as what I said?  You comment says that there are piracy laws to protect you from making a copy and then giving them away or sell them.  There are no such laws that protect you from giving or selling legitimate backup copies of software.
     
    And my caps lock is NOT broken.  I use it for emphasis, just like BOLD font style is used.
  • How in the hell did you get that I said that from any of my comments? Especially when I specifically said you cannot copy and sell those copies. For crying out loud think before you speak! Second you don't need to do that for emphasis.
  • Look, I know you are now agreeing, but what you are saying now isn't what you wrote above.  You said:
    "You can't take that property duplicate it and sale more than the original copy"
     
    You are saying that I can make a backup and sell it no more than one time.  That is not true.  You cannot sell software again once you have purchased it, as EULA's state that in almost every single piece of commerical software.
    And then the last part of your comment:
    "you make multiple copies and give/sell them."
    You are implying that you can make multiple copies and give or sell them, which is just re-wording of what you said prior.
     
    Again, not disagreeing with you now, but simply pointing out what you said prior that started this chain of comments.  I'm going to leave it at that.
     
  • What part of can't take that property and duplicate it can you not understand?
    Piacy laws are in place so that your not stealing the software again I.e you make multiple copies and give/sell them there's the whole quote so your not pulling part out making it something it wasn't. Like it says the laws are in place so you don't make multiple copies and sell them. Damn how many times must I repeat myself before you stop misquoting me!
  • Wow Sam one of the saddest news I've heard sucks its about the Xbox one this could be the end if Xbox or are there some out there that agree 100% on this Xbox one connection debacle
  • Couldn't disagree with you more.  This will not be the end of the Xbox.
  • Unfortunately its not the end not enough people will have enough patience not to buy, until companies see we want put up with this stuff. Not to mention those that aren't affected by this and will buy because its "not there problem"
  • It seems as if you're encouraging others not to buy?
  • Yes I am if we stand by and allow this to happen then we open the door for ever industry to claim that they deserve second hand profit as well. Before someone else comes along and says something about ps4 if they follow suite don't buy that either.
  • You do know who Microsoft is right? and how much capital they have? They can fund loses on the Xbox One for many many years until it becomes popular/profitable. Just like they did with the 360, and what they are doing with Windows Phone.
  • I'm only seeing the death of proper punctuation.
  • I'm getting the ps4 its a "games first" console.
  • I wouldn't be surprised when Sony announces an "always on" requirement for the PS4 as well.  Think about it from a publishers perspective.  Where would you release the game?  Where you get control, or lose control?
  • The have said straight up that if you want to go offline completely and plaay then you're free to do that. With that said, I'm still expecting some kind of system to block used games.
  • Nope. Mandatory 24 hour check-in ONLINE to make sure your game is legit. So regardless if you are playing solo, the system will require you to go online for verification purposes.
  • I'm not trying to be a butthole (I just haven't heard that before) but do you have a link? I was going by this article I saw on Game Informer. http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/05/31/sony-commented-on-drm-and-connection-requirements-at-the-playstation-4-reveal.aspx
  • That article didn't provide bullet-proof confirmation that Sony isn't going to have similar restrictions to the XBox One.
     
    "Oh yeah you can go offline totally" could just mean yeah, you don't have to be online ALL the time... but PS4 may still have a periodic checkin requirement similar to the XBox One 24 hour offline limit.
     
    And the second quote addressing used games was total PR-Speak for "We don't want to share details now, but trust us". 
     
    Personally, I think the XBox One has an interesting mix of positives with the possible negatives.  Having a 10-person family plan is pretty sweet when you combine it with the roaming capabilities of what is effectively a digital game locker in the cloud... Isn't this pretty much what Steam is?
  • " Having a 10-person family plan is pretty sweet when you combine it with the roaming capabilities of what is effectively a digital game locker in the cloud"
     
    I am so friggin excited about this! I go over a friends house almost every weekend to game, it is going to be great to just sign in and have all of my games there. The "negatives" of the xbox one are pretty much non-events for me. My internet is up 99.9% of the time, I love the ability to walk in and say "Xbox on", and I haven't traded in/sold a game since I owned a SNES. Also, for people complaining about the kinect, MS has specifically said that one of the reasons they require it, is so that developers can count on it being there. That may be BS, but if it results in good games, then I'm all in.
  • hes talking abt PS4 ....keep context
  • Yes, but I bet you a copy of CoD2 that publishers will build in the cost of offline play into the price. $58 on XB1, $69 on ps4. Sorry but I'm into saving money. And I've only ever played my Xbox once without an internet connection in six years.
  • Just because their reveal was centered on games does not mean it is a games first console. Sony is doing as much in regards to Media functionality as MS is. And some of these policies are coming about by pressures by publishers, if you think Sony is invulnerable to those pressures then you are delusional. Sony may hold out for a while but eventually they will do what the publishers want. The publishers have the power essentially.
  • I don't have a problem with any of these items but my feeling is this round of the console battle is going to be won by Sony. Those restrictions on lending, potential of that being blocked completely by game companies, online every 24 hours, this is enough to give Sony the edge. I think they've blown it this gen with the hardcore gamer.
  • I have the bad feeling that Sony did something very similar with DRM.  The difference is we know nothing about PS4 DRM changes yet, and now we start seeing how it is with the xbox one side of the story.
  • Not so sure I am Xbox One anymore.
  • Yes, because you're Nimdock lol.
  • I always have my console connected to the internet. That isn't a problem for me. I typically by my games brand new for the most part. Looking forward to day 1 digital downloads. Also I want to know more about the sharing of games with up to 10 family members on any Xbox one. For example can you all play a copy of one game and play with everyone online? Sounds too good of a deal to be true.
  • I'd look forward to day 1 digital downloads if they're cheaper than their physical counterparts. Also, I'm a bit nervous about buying any digital games off XBL anymore seeing as how the 360's arcade games aren't gonna be backwards compatible (correct me if I'm wrong). I didn't expect regular games to be B/C but I did expect my XBLA games to be redownloadable and playable on the One, just as an app I bought on, say, an iPhone 4 is ready to go when you upgrade to iPhone 5.
  • The reason why the arcade games do not work is part of the reason why other games are not going to work. The processor for the xbox one is a different architecture than the xbox 360. The games are not compatible. Your example from the iphone 4 to iphone5 the processors architecture are the same that's why they work.
  • I imagine that they'll have checks on this just as they do for when you want to sell a game (i.e. You can only transfer the rights (sell/give away the game) to someone if they've been on your friends list for 30 days).
     
    Maybe not though. If anything, it could be like the old Xbox Gold Family Plan... you have to add someone to the family by having their gamertag on your system to add, then you have the freedom to use the gamertags anywhere else after being added.
  • Whatever happened to just putting the disc in and playing the game
  • Thank you.
  • This!
  • Yeah. That's what consoles were founded on. I enjoyed the implementation the 360 added mid lifecycle, where you can install for better performance and no spinning of disc, but you can play immediately without install! That gave the 360 even more value to me over the PS3. Now, PS4 and Xbox One are on equal grounds since they both require installs :(
     
    To be fair, both consoles will allow you to play while the game is installing, but I know there will be restrictions (i.e. Maybe you can only play multiplayer - which most people will be fine with - since they need to install the single player campaign...). Ah well. Kinda sucks, but we'll get used to it, and tell stories to our grandkids one day about how we could play games in consoles immediately just by inserting the disc.
     
    "Oh grandpa/great grandpa" they'll say, "What about VR glasses and gloves? My history teacher told me discs were flawed anyway. You're so old"
  • I don't know if you missed it but it still works that way...the whole installation thing does not happen first, but "during" meaning its near "instantaneous" and you can play right away without the game play suffering at all. ;)
  • Whatever happened to putting the CD in and playing the music?
    Whatever happened to putting the floppies in and installing the software?
    Whatever happened to putting the tape in and watching the movie?
    Only the video game industry is so far behind the curve on digital distribution.  It's bad news for GameStop and GameFly, but nobody shed a tear when Blockbuster died.  The holy grail would be Microsoft's running their own video game streaming service and making everything ever released available with a monthly fee.
  • +Infinity TIMES Infinity
  • I can't agree more, its the way technology goes and Microsoft is making the painful step to be first in the Gaming industry. I have a strong feeling that Microsoft is trying to create something similar to Steam on PC. If this is true then when Sony follows suit in a few years then Microsoft will reap the benefits of an already  established effective working system. This is why companies like Apple are so entrenched in Tablets and Music Players, because they made the first tough steps to the way the industry was heading to.
  • That idea about streaming service at a monthly cost would be sweet!
  • So is every Xbox 360 sold to date has/had Xbox live? Because this just sounds like MS is blatantly telling people like say in some parts of Europe to not get a X1 because you dont have the internet or am I missing something?
  • You're actually missing quite a bit, pay attention there, son... =P
  • Please fill me in? Thats why I ask because from my understanding it doesn't sound like you can just buy an X1 and play locally if you have no internet connection.
  • You are correct you have to have internet connection at least once every 24 hrs for DRM verification.
  • Works for me
  • EVeryone do release sony just announced the same drm as xbox one so either was ps4 and xbox one are the same outside of games
  • Where did you get this info from?
  • It was linked in kotaku to a playstation website confirming sony stated all drm is up to the publishers we will bring exact details  in the near future but they are very much saying in the article that publisher can block used games or do what they want we will implement the used game feature *unless they mean adding online passes to ever game but that wasn't the tone most are taking from the article*
     
    good news with this though is if you have more then one xbox 1 you can basically share one game for say 2 brothers which would save a bit of money on the end
  • I'm a little confused on what you said, Do you have a link? It seems like from what you said that Sony will have the same, or similar, policies in place regarding used games, and trading/reselling games, that Microsoft has. Also, Microsoft said that up to 10 users can access the online digital library, that is a huge step up if Sony doesn't have something similar.
  • I guess no link?
  • Kotaku isn't the library of congress.  Search through it, and if it is there... you'll find it. 
  • What happens if you don't connect within 24 hours.. People go on holiday you know!!??
  • Um. Please think this through before posting.
  • Please explain then!
  • I guess when you come back from your holiday you can update instantly once you get it online straight away. What I want to know is are they really shrugging off people that wants to play games one X1 but have no internet connection? Can they just not play a simple single player game or local multiplayer game?
  • Steam has the same issue, nobody complained about it :P
  • That's exactly what I was thinking.
  • Actually, no it does not. I've had my steam profile signed out for over a week, rebooted into two different OS's, played Steam games on both and haven't had a single issue. They work perfectly well without having an idiotic 24 hour lock on them. Have you even used Steam, or do you just say the first thing that pops in your head and think it is reality?
  • It may not be 24-hours, but Steam does require you login to your account once every 2 weeks or offline mode stops working, you also must be online and launch the game once on your PC before you can play it offline.
    Less restrictive than the XBO, but it still does have a time limit.
  • No it doesn't. I've gone far longer than two weeks not conencting online with Steam and it's never once stopped me from playing any of my games. When you download a game, you're already online. Two clicks and you can play for much longer than two weeks without ever connecting to Steam again. There is no hard limit.
  • What happens if you want to take your console with you that's the thing, i wouldn't do that now im angaged but i used to several times a year when i was a kid, take the PlayStations to France or to the caravan site in wales for two weeks. Or even play in the car on the journey. None of this can be done now. Ok doesn't effect me now but it will effectt a lot of kids. I dont think I'll get an X1.
  • I smell a lawsuit. What you choose to do with a game after you purchase it. ( at a retail store ) is your business. Who says you can't sell or give it away as you see fit. Look at the music movie industries. You buy a CD or DVD you can share or sell them it is your right.
  • How can there be a lawsuit if the rules are in place before it's even released? If you don't like it... don't buy it.
  • They are going to change the Eula. You are not buying the game, you will by a license to play the game. It is the same route digital music went.
  • Not all digital music went that route and one of the biggest (iTunes) went from DRM to DRM free.
  • Right but, if your buying a physical disk, even with Music, it is different. With a music CD your allowed to give it away or sell it as long as you dont keep a copy of it. AKA Selling a used game to someone you dont know or buying one.
     
    Right, you buy the disk, you own the disk, just not the content on the disk. It's aways been this way but, with other media, you have had a right what to do what you want with your media as you choise. Microsoft is stopping your rights here.
     
    It will end up in court, I would bet on it.
  • It'll be sad to see game trading go away. I mean to say, me and some online friends would trade games and play them, then pass them on again to another in the group who hadn't played it. Also, limiting direct person-to-person sales seems a bit stupid. I can see trying to limit the scope of what gamestop/redbox can do, but not good ol' regular used game selling and trading from one gamer to another.
  • If you regularly do it, add your whole group to your friends list (which will have space for 1000 people). After 30 days, you'll all be able to trade games for no fee. Right there in the article :)
     
    Well, I guess unless publishers go all draconian one day and lock that down :/ The game industry really is changing... publishers have gotten fed up with not profiting as much as they could. Still, I don't imagine that will take place in the beginning of this console's lifecycle.
  • Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.
     
    Source: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license
  • Three hours before you posted this, and about a couple inches below my post you're replying to, I wrote a followup reply acknowledging what you just posted. I found what is there in that source that wasn't mentioned in this article, as well as the possibility of it still being fine for groups of online friends that share games due to the "up to 10 members of your family" thing - depending on how it works. Scroll down a bit if you want to read it.
  • My bad, didn't scroll down far enough before posting.
  • They aren't, read it again...you and all your mates have been friends for awhile yeah? Trade 'em up, boyo... ;)
  • As a followup to my first reply, and not mentioned in the above article (I checked the source), each game can only be traded/transferred once to your friends. So it wouldn't work more than once to "give" away your games...
    But, and we don't all know exactly how it will work, but what about how you can share all your games with up to 10 members of your family? It could work like the old Xbox Gold Family subscription, where you could only add a family member from the console of the "leader", but then you were free to take the gamertag for that family member anywhere you wanted. They already have specified that family members could access your game library from any console. You probably couldn't play the same game at the same time, but that isn't your issue now anyway :)
  • Will be interesting to see how the policies are futher developed. I think that there will be one main account with up to 10 users able to be underneath it. They would all have access to the digital library. I don't mind not being able to play the same game at the same time, that is understandable.. you can't do that now.  It seems that Microsoft is trying to transition to a Steam like service for consoles, which I think is where the industry will head eventually anyways.
  • I'll stick with my ps3 and 360 and just buy a ps4. Its my game and I should be allowed to do as I please. Also no using gamefly with Xbox one! And we don't have broadband in the area I live in and I am stuck with a 10gb a month plan on a hotspot!
  • Its not your game lol. Its not like buying your tv or a computer. You are essentially more or less buying a license to have the right to play the game.
  • Fact of the matter is we dint all have no metered broadband and not all of us can afford to buy multiple games each month. Not to mention if you end up not liking the game you are stuck with it. I think this will hurt innovation because people will not be as willing to buy a game and give it a shot unless its something they know for a fact they will like.
  • Wrong! Once I purchase it, its mine. Same as my cds DVDs and blurays. Now I cannot mass produce any of those products and sell/give them away. But I have all the right to play or sell that game as much as I want and so does the next person that buys it from me.
  • Good luck on the PS4, Sony just announced the same thing. It's pretty much up to the publisher.
  • Link?
  • http://www.maxconsole.com/news/PLAYSTATION%203/Yoshida--PS4-Online-DRM-Will-Be-Up-To-Publishers-RKSID00000000000000000928.html
     
    It seems that these type of DRM policies are being pushed for by the publishers. Unfortunately, on consoles pubishers have a lot of bargaining leverage, where as on PC Steam has em by the balls for the most part.
  • Well it don't bother me that much i am still getting one and i still want one. And still cant wait for one. Don't get me wrong 24 hours is too short if it was 72 that would be better as i have gone with out internet for 2 days but that's happened rarely. But again if it disconnect then ill do something else not the end of the world still a great looking console. Plus the friend sharing thing sounds good.
  • Well this shows exactly that they are greedy and want more money than trying to give satisfaction to the customer.
    The 24ban mark to connect to the internet else you cannot play is full of sh*t! I literally took my ps3 with me on the backpack when I traveled for weeks because of work. I needed something for relaxation and this was perfectly good for me. Most of the hotels have LCDs with HDMI and playing offline games was a great way to make time fly! MS says no more!! ..And I really wanted to go for Xbox since their gamepad is much better than ps3/4, but I can't now, Sony will be the choice for me again.
  • You see a ban, they see you not wanting something they're trying to send you...you can get free wi-FI in some locales, no? ;)
  • Key word "some"
  • Nah! Cant be arsed with all these stupid rules.. Thanks for talking me out of upgrading to xbox one msoft!!
  • +10000000
  • Sounds fine to me.
    If you're really worried about your Kinect spying on you, just unplug it when not in use. A lot of whining and "I'm gonna buy a (fill in competitor's name here"... As usual.
  • You can't unplug it. Kinect must be connected to the X1 for it to function.
  • But you can still unplug it when not in use.
  • That is still irrelevant. If you don't want it on at all, why should you be forced to have something with a microphone and a camera in your home listening in the background at all times?
  • Hmm.. I was 100% for it, until I read this article. I'm not sure if I like the "Kinect-always-listening" thing. I know it can be turned off, but after this whole thing with Verizon spying for the government, it kinda makes me wonder.... And I'm with alotta other ppl: How does Microsoft figure that everyone who buys a Xbox has internet??? Unless somehow the X1 provides it, itself. And finally... When is the price gonna be released?? They better offer a hell-of-a-deal of they wanna beat out Sony.
  • Just unplug the thing, or wrap it in your tin foil hat.
    If you think Verizon is the only company that the NSA is requesting mass records from your foolish. Its just that Verizon is the one this story broke with.
  • I had to register just for this. You tell him to use his tin foil hat because its a lot worse than he thinks. That's just hilarious. And before you say something ridiculous to me, im not expressing an opinion on kinect either way.
  • I took the comment as, If you are that concerned about the Kinect, you need to be way more worried about everything you don't know about. Josh never really said coldestjed was wrong, just over reacting.
  • Reread both and i don't see it. I've seen many people that could be said to be over reacting, but he wasn't one of them. His post was level and just says way he's a bit worried with what's come to light. I see his response as being the over reaction. In the end you can only worry about the things you know about.... Personally i think people need to keep an eye on things like this, but cant let it stop progress. It's like saying shouldn't have made mobile phones because your government is going tap everyone.
  • I completely agree, just saying what I think was meant by the comment. Personally, I dont care about the Kinect. But people do have valid(and some ridiculous) concerns over it.
  • So that means he was right!
  • The cons are to strong for the new Gen of game systems. Maybe its there way of trying to get people more physically active to help fight obesity?
  • Yes, its all part of Ah-nold's fitness around the world initiative! =D
  • I'm tired of every PS fanboy. The license came years ago with games on demand. This is a move to digitalize games and it's logical as they still let you trade games and everyone can use it in your console and you can give permit to ten more people to use your games. Concerning the "Always" Online, they should verify if you have the games because it would lead to obvious piracy and you wouldn't be able to take advantage of the new Xbox Live, continuing worlds and cloud processing. Finally, every GPU has some GDDR5 memory on it. At leat on PC.
  • Not liking what Microsoft did doesn't make you a PS fanboy. I own every freaking thing Microsoft comes up with including keyboards, surface, xbox, WinMo, WP....etc etc, but I didn't like what X1 brings to the table.
  • +920 i don't like how greedy microsoft is being with controlling used games
  • Microsoft isn't making a cent off of used game sales. Its the publishers
  • If a friend of mine buys an Xbox One, and I want to give them one of my old games to get started with, they would have to wait a month to play it. Oh yeah. Progress, baby.
     
  • Um why would they have to wait a month? I think it said the person would need to be your friend for at least 30 days for you to share.
  • You ask the question in the first sentence, and answer it in the second. I don't understand...
     
    EDIT:
    Maybe we mean different things with the word "friend". I mean a real life friend that goes out to buy an Xbox One some time after I've owned mine for a while. He is not my "Xbox friend" yet because he doesn't have one (he only had a PS3 ;)). He would have to wait a month after he's bought it (if he becomes my Xbox Friend right away) in order for him to play the "starter game" I handed down to him.
  • I didn't answer the question. Wouldn't your friend already be on your list for thirty days? Why would they need to wait if they have been on your friend list already? That would only affect someone you added newly not friends who have been on your list.
  • Not always. Maybe this is the first time he bought an xbox, and maybe he never had a live account.
  • I get what you mean now. Yeah in the case of adding a new friend that would prove difficult.
  • That's easy, all you have to do is share the game and so your friend would be able to see all your collection of shared game.  The only issue with that is, both you and your friend can't play that particular game at the same time.  it's like xbox 360, both you and your friend need to get a copy of COD etc in order to multiplay.  Remember the game will be installed to the hard drive so your friend wouldn't need a disc anymore.  MS need to make sure your friend has legit license
  • The only thing I don't like is the Kinect requirement. Last thing I want is a camera and microphone in my living room. And don't complicate things by pointing out my phone.
  • Better put on your tin hat and start putting up news paper in your windows.  Oh, and destroy both your computer and phone while you're at it.  Cuz the boogey man is listening to you right now...  FFS
  • I think you might have missed the sarcasm. Ergo my comment about the phone.
  • As the Interwebz have a difficult time providing tone, you might want to consider using something like [/sarcasm] to indicate your sarcastic remark.
  • He only repeats what ChrisLynch says. Never mind him.
  • Im buying two, one upstair and one for my living room. Then im buy one ps4 to use as a door stop. F.. Playstation. I got screw once and never again.
  • I love my Playstation 3. I use it for entertainment, though, not games. That is as blu-ray, Netflix, etc. I have a 360, but my sons use it mostly
  • This is how Microsoft beat Sony at it's own game.
  • Lol, yea. But beating Sony isn't exactly a badge of honor. I'm sure that just like now I'll have one of each because I love gadgets
  • I used to love my PS3, I use it to watch blu-rays, and backups of my movies. But now backup playback is worthless because of Cinavia. So my ps3 is pretty much just a glorified blu-ray player at this point.
  • The devs of these gaming companies have way to much sway on what happens.
  • You have as much sway as they do. Don't buy their games if you don't agree with their practices or policies. 
  • Yep, money talks and so does the lack of it lol
  • Your right Sam don't buy. Which is what I don't do. For instance I don't own one EA game. Heck the last game I bought wad fallout 3 game of the year edition for 12 bucks. I'd buy brand new if prices weren't crazy when they were released. But now this used game thing is gonna make me not buy any or even the new console. My opinion on that subject. And until these cable companies lower there prices as well I'm not supporting them either. There's to much junk on tv to justify there high demands of cost. That right there renders the xb1 useless to me. I know I'm not alone on this either as I know several people who boycott certain products
  • so you are blaming people for working to get money in return? that makes perfect sense...
    maybe you forgot but developers and publishers make your beloved games possible! its their property and rights to ask for the more money in return they can for them. you can always choose not to buy them and give power to those publishers though.
     
    but hey! im sure you would love to work hard and dont get some money in return because other people, clients or whoever think its ok you not getting all the money you should get for your hard work.
  • Then let them keep trying to rape our wallets. They've been shut out of mine for awhile now.
  • What about game rental services like Gamefly? How's that gonna work?
  • I rent from Redbox, but yeah, wonder the same thing. I'm not a big gamer, so a 1-2 day rental is good enough for me, I'm usually bored after that. Guess they aren't happy with those like me.
  • I anticipate one of two things happening -
     
    XBOX Live will have its own rental service.  Giving you access to a game for 48 hours or so...
     
    or for the more 'traditional' folks out there.
     
    Rental companies will get a specific copy of the game similar to how Red Box has different versions of movies that only have the movie and not the special features.
  • Game stop or gamefly has to comply to developer way of renting game. This is out of Microsoft hand.
  • It's not.
  • My question would be about libraries. Our library system has XBox360 and PS3 games available for checkout. From what I can gather from this article, that would pretty much not be an option for X1 games.
  • I get the feeling Xbox 360 and PS3 will have a pretty long shelf life still.
  • Yup
  • Absolutely, I heard they might have *another* refresh and release announced at E3 this year...keep your eyes and ears peeled! @_@
  • My 360 will for sure!
  • Depending on what their definition of 'family' is... I can see this being a huge plus for XBOX One...
  • This news is disappointing. As long as the One is locked down like this with the 24-hr internet requirement and the unnecessarily convoluted way they are handling used games/lending (Giving publishers control over second-hand games? Excuse me while I laugh.) I probably will not get one. Same goes for the PS4 if they demonstrate the same lack of understanding of their customer base. I might wind up with a Wii U this time.
  • Lol have fun with wii-u and its gfx that are barely better than ps3/360
  • Its his/her choice, i personally agree that the second hand game handling is ridiculous and greedy on M$ part
  • How so? It's likely the game publishers negotiating this. How would you like it if a large portion of your product is resold and you never see a portion of the sale? This is business, and they have the right to take this approach. Of course, people like you can bitch about it, and throw hissy fits. That's your choice.
  • How would you like to be charged $60 for a non-returnable rental that is "sold" to you and you find out it isn't yours only after you unwrap it (voiding your return) and put in your machine? There are screw-overs going on between both publishers and customers, not denying that, but I do know that gaming franchises do not grow without the second-hand market. That is a fact.
  • It's SOFTWARE. There are times where software is non-refundable. Do you expect to have the right to sell it to someone else when you are still using it? Nope.
  • When said software is tied to a tangible good then yes, I do. When I trade a disc in, I no longer have the game and technology is such that were I to trade it in and someone else used it, they are free to implement a system to deactivate the download from my console if they wish. Trying to make me feel guilty for being reluctant to part with my hard earned cash PERMANENTLY for a game experience that may or may not be good is not going to work. These are not poor starving artists, these are companies that are trying get paid TWICE and I'm not down with that. And like I said, these AAA titles people are so fond of, are as big as they are because people more often than not buy the first in the series used and are far more willing to buy the sequel new when it comes out. Oh, and quite often people trade in their used games towards the price of a new one, there is that as well.
  • "Oh, and quite often people trade in their used games towards the price of a new one, there is that as well."
    Unless I'm reading this wrong, wouldn't this scenario still be possible. Granted, only at certain retailers, but still.
  • Yes and no. It is a system dependent upon the goodwill of the video game publishers who cannot see beyond the "they didn't buy the game directly from me even though someone else did so I'm getting robbed" mentality. Whether a game is tradeable will be completely dependent on whether a publisher enables it. Mind you these are the same people who tried to get $69.99 for Xbox 360 games when the system first launched and the same people who deliver a 2hr game for $60 and get more money for l DLC. These are the same people pushing for Microsoft to include these silly rules on resale/trade. What makes you think they would push for something they have no intention of using?
  • @ Chris  It's so tragically funny, I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry. In the "Real World" businesses should understand that their product should have a resale value, in fact, some bank on it, and even build reputations on it. Craftsman, Ford, even Sony...However, it is only here in "Video Game Land" that people somehow believe that the developers of these games are poor unfortunates who need to be supported for their "art" lest they perish.  You will never escape the concept of tangeble goods having a resale value, it is only in the minds of lawyers that the idea of ownership gets blurred.
    Just remember that just because she's pretty doesn't mean that you aren't being used by her...unless you are someone who likes to be used.
     
    -Doc
  • Correct. Other than software, everything works on resale value and it shouldn't be a problem. If someone resells a painting they bought from me, I shouldn't be looking for another piece of the pie. I have already received the share that I wanted for it.
  • Christ you're whiny. Whether they deserve a cut of the second hand sales is irrelevant because the way the DRM is implemented is going to drive people away. They're going for a cash grab they think they deserve, but that doesn't mean I have to give them my money. I won't be buying the XBOX One. And if the PS4 goes the same route, I won't be buying that either. I know many others feel the same way.
     
    But keep attacking people for having valid concerns, ya fat baby.
  • It's akin to selling your used car on Craigslist, and then having Nissan, Ford and GM come after you for a cut of your sale.
  • It really isn't the same.  Software is different than tangible products because it never loses quality and can be reproduced instantly.  To make things even more problematic, games lose their personal value after several weeks once the player gets bored.
    Imagine if everyone's Ford F150's never got old and were always in brand new condition.  There would be no reason to buy an F150 from carsalesmen anymore because it would always be cheaper on the used market.  What if you just had to drive your F150 up to your house once and install it into your garage and now you have one in your garage all the time and no need for the one parked outside the house?  What if the F150 was a product that has time-based value, and after using it for 1-4 weeks it no longer has value to you.
  • Until such time as companies are more upfront in the physical stores about the game you are buying actually being an expensive rental (after which game sales will die) then your point cannot stand. PC game sales were down for years, and still haven't recovered, because they had no resell value and no one wanted to be stuck with a game that was crap. I get what you are saying, really I do, but what you are asking is not truly practical and asking that people see games in a completely different light than is portrayed by these companies. The flipside is this, if a company has made it money from a game and is no longer updating it what do you do when you no longer play it? Does it still hold an everlasting value simply because it's software?
  • So everyone that ever made a product sold used from one person to another applies here? I should send money to Sony when I sold my old CRT? I should send the person that made my coffee table when I sold it to my old neighbor? I should send Toyota a cut of the price I sold my Hombre for to an old friend of mine? Should the builder of my parents house get a cut of the sale price should they sell it one day? That's an incredibly asinine attitude. When I fix an airplane I get paid once for fixing it, not every time it's used. When the person that owns it sells it to someone else I don't see a dime. Without me it wouldn't fly. Should I get paid every time it functions simply because I had a hand in making it exist? No.
  • this shows how cluless you are... Microsoft doesnt even have something to do with this.... its publishers demanding it. and Microsoft doing what they say, because guess who make and publish games? not Microsoft (not always, since microsoft first business is not game publishing or developing, they do it because they can, but without it im sure Microsoft would live and make billions so a few money from used games wouldnt affect Microsoft). but you really are cluless not even knowing Microsoft wont get anything from resell of games......... well, they only would get love from publishers. but hey, im sure you would love to work hard and dont get paid always :) im really sure you would love that of course! /s
  • Of course the publishers are the ones pushing for this, that doesn't mean it's a good idea. It just demonstrates a lack of understanding about how and why your game series becomes popular (which is through the second-hand market).
  • Diplomat, I grew up on Nes/Snes and Genesis games. If the game is good I could care less about the graphics. Wrapping poo up in a pretty pack doesn't mean you aren't getting poo as a gift.
  • No computer? =[
  • My computer is a separate matter as it's primary function is currently not gaming and I don't have certain core functionality taken away without an internet connection. Were I to buy an Xbox one it would be for games and where I'm at there are some pretty nasty storms and hurricanes that will take your internet out for days. The built-in 24-hr gimp mechanism is just silly as it makes no allowance for unforeseen occurrences.
  • Wow, I can't believe how negative many of these comments are. I am currently a ps3 owner but seriously considering either switching to xb1 or maybe getting ps4 & xb1. It is 2013 kids, if you can't get internet maybe you should put up or shut up, if you are in a first world country and not in the middle of nowhere then the majority have internet connections at a reasonable price I feel bad for those with geographic restrictions but that's what you get for being country bumpkins lol. I am sure I am gonna get heckled over this post but tired of seeing people complain about always on internet. Fix your connections peeps!!
  • Wish you were an arms length away.
  • You'd tickle him?
  • To be fair, there are a lot of people who live around me who cannot get high speed interent because they live on farms.  I'm fortunate that I literally live on the right side of the railroad tracks as my house is the LAST stop for cable internet access.  I had to pay the cable company 500 bucks to extend the line out to my house.
     
    So, many people are in this situation, not because they choose to, but because someone else has determined that it isn't profitable to spend the money to get the internet to those homes...
  • Like I said geographic restrictions suck but there are tons of different options out there with varying costs I would put money on those people being a small minority but with a loud voice.
  • What about all the people on budgets whose source of entertainment is a random game here and there thanks to the used game industry which makes it affordable, but choose not to have internet as an added expense.
  • Those people shouldn't even be thinking about buying a $500 xbox one.
  • No offense but who are you to say they should or shouldn't. If they know its coming a year or two ahead of time saving for such a purchase is easy with that amount of time frame. Doesn't make it right or wrong its there money they can do whatever they want with it. My argument is that its just another user base being alienated. I see that as a problem Microsoft imo should be making this console for all users not just those of us fortunate to have so much money we can afford all our wants.
  • I'm no one to say they should or shouldn't. I am just speaking from experience. If they can't afford internet to connect their XBox every day, then there are more important things to worry about then saving to get a new xbox. Perhaps looking for ways to better their situation, and if that isn't possible maybe they could get a 360 instead. There is supposedly a refresh coming. I just think it is a little ridiculous to use budget as a concern, when the XBox itself will most likely be $500+.
  • Budget unfortunately is a valid concern. No one is saying these people aren't trying to better themselves most people can multi task. And speaking from experience saving and looking forward to these types of items are sometimes what it takes to get you through times when you doing without. Hell that's how I got my first xbox. Story you may not care about coming next lol. just moved out bought a home ramen noodles every night. But every week without fail 10$ went into my Xbox envelope. I was beyond happy to see that money grow. It was that very system of saving that has gotten me to living very comfortably so in a way you can say Microsoft taught me how to bufldget and plan ahead.
  • Maybe my situation was unique, but when I was scraping every penny I could, $10 towards a new Xbox just wasn't possible. I guess it depends on the person's priorities though. But, I still stand by the Xbox 360. I believe that is why MS is supposedly refreshing the line.
  • Just because someone prioritises a console over internet doesn't mean their priorities are automatically messed up. If someone likes to game but has no use for internet at home. Should they have to buy internet just to game? I know people that connection was so bad they cancelled it and do anything they need to online at work during lunch. This isn't a reply to anyone specific im just giving an example. Unlike second hand games where you have a choice to buy ones that are blocked or not, 24 hr check in, is forced which for me is the biggest issue, although not a problem for me.
  • I know you said you weren't responding to anyone specific, but just to clarify, I'm not saying that someone's priorities are messed up if they want to save for an xbox. Just from my experience, if money is that tight, a gaming machine is somewhere near the bottom of the list. But if that is what get's a person through their day/week/month, then so be it. It doesn't change that if/when the 360 gets refreshed, I think it will be for these people. Unfortunately, that is how MS seems to be handling it. It's very Apple of them...not in a good way.
  • I just see a lot of people who thinks that priorities are wrong because they seem to think that internet at home is automatically more important than a console, when they may not have any real need for it at home. I agree with you, that's how ms see it also, and they are going to keep pushing the 360. I think ms could've said play off line with disk in, they would loose very little in reality, and say what you get online is so compelling that most people will just want to be online at some point. All the drm etc could then come into play and work as they plan. Get people with the candy not the stick.where heading to all digital but not there yet and as it has a drive this generation is the cross over, could've easily brought everyone along with them with lot less fuss.
  • I suppose they do have phonelines, though, which should allow them to get access to some kind of internet. No internet whatsoever is not really an excuse in most places. I live in the center of a fairly big city and I cant get cable either, but I manage with my 1/1mbit internet :D Downloading games is just slow.
  • I agree diplomat696, as adults we make decisions about where we live and how we live. Individuals must prioritize their lives to fit what is best for themselves and others. If you are living somewhere with no internet access and you have no means/ability to change this then our country & society has failed you. More likely, those who have posted on this article angrily have chosen to live somewhere without internet. They hope Microsoft will continue to cater to their needs, which is fine... But it is wrong to hope to the point where if they are not directly catered to they will verbally attack. My best advice is to continue working hard and smart and someday soon hopefully ya'll will have a place to live that fills all your wants and needs.
  • I will still buy Xbox one ..none of these effect me and it is crazy good
  • Im with u, i never had cable/internet go out more then a few hours. Usually if the internet goes out for that long Ill be on the phone with my cable company yelling my ass off. I work from home and need my services!
  • I have no problem with any of this , I want to know will it be able to get rid of my Uverse horrid UI.
    /Also I'm hoping they can hammer out a deal with At&t on using these as a STB like with the old xbox360
  • Since they are doing it with Sky in Europe, they may pursue that route here in the US as well.
  • Im not so sure about this xbone.
    I think microsoft is using its power in the console market to greedily force anti consumer policies such as only being able to give games once. Who are they to tell me who i can give MY game to?? I might just not get a console this gen, sony seems to be doing something similar.
  • Its not your game though. Not in The way you are thinking anyway.
  • Microsoft makes 0 money from your game sales. Its the publisher being greedy, not Microsoft.
  • That's not true.  MS does make some money off of Microsoft published games, even when they are written outside MS (i.e. Gears of War is a Microsoft Published game, yet written by Epic Games.)
  • Keep in mind also these are early stages of information coming out. I would bet there will be tweaks and other information coming between now and release.
  • No problems here, we all have wi-fi in our homes and connecting our Xbox One to it should be a breeze and no one will be any the wiser after. My PS3 was always connected too so I see no problem here
  • Same here. Personally I don't know anyone who would be impacted by a system like this. Although I'm sure there are folks in more rural areas or third world countries who might be on the short end of the stick with all this. 
  • Those people are I think are fewer and fewer every year.
  • Agreed. Like I said, I don't know anyone who personally couldn't use an Xbox One because of these features. 
  • My nephew lives in north Michigan no internet how do you tell him no Xbox one and why?
  • I'm not the one you should be asking. Check with Microsoft on that. 
  • I love this attitude people are giving like its only rural areas or third world countries. There are plenty of people who look at broadband internet as a luxury and choose not to pay that premium price. So now they either don't get next Gen or there cornered into another monthly expense to have this source of entertainment. Granted I am not those people but I think its ridiculous to completely ignore those people because publishers don't like the used game market.
  • If broadband internet is a luxury then an Xbox One is defintely a luxury.
  • Didn't say it wasn't but a fixed income is a fixed income. So when it comes to someone's source of entertainment Xbox is a one time purchase internet is a monthly fee. Big difference
  • Most of that entertainment is subscription based, like Netflix, Hulu, HBOGO, etc. Meaning you pay monthly, just like internet.
  • Never referred to those things only the gaming aspect.
  • Why does everyone only focus the connection argument to the used games subject, does no one hate having to wait for something to start because it has to update? I cannot wait for the day when the apps and games have updates happen automatically so I can just get right to my sh* when I want! Convenience, please... @_@
  • Exactly.
  • I don't hate it. 360 updates are usually quick so it never bothered me.
  • True, the 360 updates are quick, especially when compared to the PS3, but having them happen before I even turn my Xbox "on" would be awesome.
  • Very excellent review and explanation while other sites seem to twist the whole idea around. When you read comments, alot of anger, frustration, and fanboyism. They all should come here and read this article. It'll ease their tension.
  • No it wont ease the tension. The most it will do is make people register to 'explain' what all the fuss is.
  • I'm bummed out.  Waiting for PS4 news but so far it looks like the new Xbox is off my list.  Killing my MSFT vibe.
     
    What I do is buy games I'm not too sure about and sell the crap ones for $40 soon after (ex. bulletstorm, dead island) but now I can't.  Now I have to wait for reviews, no more day 1 purchase or preorder. That sucks.  So if PS4 doesn't do this, I'm buying a PS4. 
  • ^THIS.
    If I buy a game and either can't get into it or think it's crap, I pop it on eBay.  Example:  Gears of War Judgment.  I got $42 for it on eBay, where at Gamestop I would have gotten $20 trade-in or $12 or so in cash.
    What this is going to do is allow Micrsoft and retailers like Gamestop to control the pricing of used games, rather than letting consumer demand dictate the price.
  • I can imagine things will change between now and launch and especially after launch.  If the masses speak with their $$$ then MS will listen. ;)
  • The requirement to ping the internet is kind of dumb, and a lot of people will be unhappy.
    Also, the fact that you can turn it off by saying "Xbox Off" is just asking for people to run up while you're playing and yell, Xbox off! And turn the console off while you're playing.
  • I'm pretty sure MS will have a solution for that, in the form of a confirmation.  It's just like you can power off your console with the game pad by pressing and holding the silver X button.  But you still need to confirm you want to power it off.
  • Yeah, but unless they make it something you have to do on the controller, someone could easily come up and say "Xbox Off" "Yes" or "Confirm" very quickly. And if it did require confirming on the controller, well that would take the point out of doing it with you voice in the first place.
  • Sorry, but this is just a stupid argument.  If you are around people that would do that to you, you need different friends.  OR, karma's a bitch, and what goes around comes around.  And IF you have to worry about this happening to you, you have much worse problems than losing your progression in a game.
  • Wait, are you serious? First off, I never said I was going to have this problem. If I bought one I wouldn't have anybody living with me that would do this anyway, but have you seriously never heard of siblings? You seriously think a little brother wouldn't run in, do that, and run out? Or that a tech savvy parent wouldn't do that to get their kids to get off the Xbox? I never said it was a huge deal, I just said it would be annoying, and it would. You're acting like that's as bad as kicking your dog when friends come over.
  • What keeps a sibling from physically walking up to the TV or Xbox 360 and hitting the power button now? Nothing. It's not like voice control is going to create behavior that didn't already exist.
    But more to the point the new Kinect takes direction into account when recieving voice commands as well as pairing the logged in user by face, controller, etc.
  • Who do you LIVE with, trolls? @_@
  • You really think 1) parents 2) siblings 3) friends wouldn't do this when they were angry with or wanting to get back at gamers?
  • This has nothing to do with gamespot paying for this this is form ea, activsion ubisoft, square enix and every other publisher,
     
    and if you think that sony won't have a near enough system in place then you are mistaken
     
    The kinect can tell who is speaking
  • I don't know who you're talking to with the first part of your comment, but link for the Kinect part? I haven't seen that anywhere.
  • Again, if you are worried about this happening, you have MUCH worse problems than losing your progression in a game.
  • Again, I never said I was worried this would happen to me, but it was something I saw many people talking about when the Kinect couldn't do it on the 360. And honestly, I don't know how secluded you are that you think it's a stupid argument to think that some people have immature siblings/friends. Does every eight grade teenager have super mature friends? Of course not. Will one of them probably think to do that to mess with his friend? Duh. Will said friend be pissed off because of it? Of course. Not every problem has to directly affect you for it to be an issue.
  • Lmfao
  • Voice lock to the account that is logged in at the time would avoid this.
  • Can Kinect tell that? I haven't seen anything saying it can.
  • I'm not sure, just suggesting a possible solution to a possible problem.
  • Actually that's not correct, if your voice is the owner of the Xbox, only your voice can turn it off and on. Not your friends, if you haven't got a freak twin or something with the same voice ;) 
  • Yeah you're gonna need to provide a source for that.
  • why does microsoft not get it?  drm doesnt work!  the ONLY thing this does is protect the outrageous profit margins of EA et al.  microsoft may have lost me as a customer and that really sucks cause they have been firing on all cylinders lately.  especially if the ps4 used games situation is the same as it is today, microsoft is really screwed.
  • This isn't the only thing they do, I hope you know...they're not exactly heavily dependent on flaky gamers =/
  • I guess I'll just wait for Halo 5 to come out before I pick one up. 
    The decision to prevent me from ditching crappy games on eBay for WAAAY more than Gamestop would give me ensures that I will be buying fewer games than ever.  If that was Microsoft's goal in all this, they succeeded. 
  • I'm fine with everything except for only lending a game once. Unless they have a loose definition of "family", then I don't have any issues. I will be really surprised if Sony doesn't come out with something similar. This is the game companies doing, there is no way they will allow Sony to not make them extra money.
  • Here's my thoughts just create good games at reasonable prices and boom you have sales and its a happy world. But no there creative side is down and all there worried about is dollar signs and more dollar signs and stupid dlc content instead of making new games. Its like Hollywood all over on creativity.
  • I agree. The problem is, they create mediocre games at ridiculous prices, and still have sales. As long as they are making money, the few (relative) people complaining won't make a difference. If it pisses enough people off for it to change, then more power to them. But for me, right now, it isn't an issue, and I think for most people they either won't care, or will put up with it. I hope I get proven wrong though.
  • Absolute bullshit that you can not sell your games on the free market. Absolute fucking bullshit. Who the fuck do they think they are telling us who we can sell something we own to? Go fuck yourself Microsoft - you just crossed the line. I wonder how much Game Stop paid for this. Were they really losing that much to eBay and Craigslist? Listen, I have never sold a game anywhere but Game Stop, but that's because I'm lucky enough to not have to worry about getting fair value once in a while. Despite that, I will not support anyone that acts this way on principle. I have two xboxes, 3 Win 8 systems, WP, an RT tablet, Zune HD, gold subscriber for 4 years, Zune pass holder since launch, but if this is a reality, I WILL seek every alternative that is out there.
  • Publishers brought this upon the Xbox, not Microsoft.
  • Don't be foolish! Microsoft owns this market. They call the shots.
  • This has nothing to do with gamespot paying for this this is form ea, activsion ubisoft, square enix and every other publisher,
     
    and if you think that sony won't have a near enough system in place then you are mistaken
  • And MS should have put their foot down and said, at the very least, they won't make it any easier to fuck over the used game market. And I honestly don't care what Sony does, they suck cocks for dinner and fuck up everything they touch anyway. They are the "what not to do" example of a technology company. So if MS and SONY do the same thing here its an even bigger indication that MS is screwing up. Valve must be loving this news. They will probably have a 99 cent sale to piss in the wound
  • You mean Valve, who runs Steam, where you can't sell your games either?
  • Yes, I mean Valve where you can't sell your games back either.  What's your point?  Are you insinuating that I was making the case that you could?  Do you lack the ability to see multiple points in a single paragraph?  I am sorry if my post surpassed your 4th grade reading level.  I meant what I said, which was that Valve is probably loving this.  If you believe that "gamers" will always find a place to "game" and moves like this from MS will drive people away, then Valve, et al., stands to benefit here.  The major attraction being that, even after you factor in the $ you get back from selling a console game back to game stop, you typically still pay less for games on Steam. 
  • I wasn't insinuating that you thought you could sell games on Steam, I was insinuating that it was a stupid comparison. Why would the inability to share or sell games on one system, drive a user to a system with the same restrictions? Now, if you had said because of the price of games or the ability to upgrade a computer on a whim, then I see your point. Personally, I see the board game industry benefitting from all of this. Also, stop overreacting so much. I made one comment and you fly off the handle? Settle the hell down, life is too short.
  • So you are basically admitting that because you didn't think about what I was saying for one second, your snide comment was justified.  And when did I fly off the handle?  I simply pointed out what you just confirmed - you can't comprehend something unless it is laid out for you.  That's not meant as an insult; it's an explanation of why you couldn't follow along.
  • I'm pretty sure you are the one having the comprehension problem. You can't comprehend my comment about valve, and you obviously can't comprehend my reply to your angry comment. I seem to have struck a nerve. Not once did I admit to anything other than what i meant in my original response. Why would people leave Xbox for Steam, which has the same system in regards to used games, if that is their issue with the Xbox? There are numerous other reasons to switch, but the used game situation isn't one of them. Of course, you will probably say you mentioned price. But that was in you're response to me, which doesn't really apply to my original point.
  • This was my original comment about Valve:
    "Valve must be loving this news. They will probably have a 99 cent sale to piss in the wound"
    YOU made the assumption that I was making some kind of comparison and said:
    "I wasn't insinuating that you thought you could sell games on Steam, I was insinuating that it was a stupid comparison."
     
    And I was making a comparison, but in reference to beneficial side of Steam.  You know you can't sell games on Steam, but you assumed I didn't and decided to make a snarky comment INSTEAD of considering the point of my next sentence:
     
    "They will probably have a 99 cent sale to piss in the wound"
     
    Which clearly references the cheap price of games!  This was NOT in my response to your comment!  Go back and read it again - it's all right there.
     
    That's all from me... you can lead a horse to water....
  • Bought the Xbox and Xbox 360 day one. Looks like I'm not going to buy the Xbox one
  • I dont understand what the big deal is here. My laptop, tablet and phone are always connected to the internet 24/7. If someone figures out how to hack my kinect they are more than welcome to watch me play Forza in my boxers.
    Now, if Microsoft screws this up and we cannot play our games because their verification servers dont work then that would be a problem.
    I will be purchasing the new Xbox on day 1.
  • Finally someone gets it!
  • Your in denial
  • You mean like how live.com login services were unavailable for over 24 hours between yesterday and today?
  • Not sure what your referring to.  Haven't seen any Microsoft Services outage in the past month here in the US.  Maybe it happened in a specific region?
  • do you have any proof of that? or you are just making stuff up?? because i didnt have problems using Microsoft services not yesterday, not today, not even one week ago... and im not from US.
     
    I love how people like you try to make silly points, like pretending only because some people wont have internet couple hours or some some servers/services would fail and not work like happens all the time, then Xbox One isnt good. 
  • Boxers...pfft. I like to race in the nude. And I'm pretty sure no one wants to see that. :-)
  • so how much of the market for the xbox is in the developing world today....have they decided to market this new console only in the US and some rich european countries and bring in a less capable device for the rest of the world?
  • I love my 360 but this is way too many restrictions. I think im going PS4 on this one
  • and do you think Publishers wont want to force the same for ps4?
    publishers are in the gaming business for money! if they see, xbox one has a system that benefits them, do you think they will stay ok with ps4 not having it? they would probably force ps4 and if they don't want, they will then don't give games for ps4.
    PC has done this for years, why cant consoles have it as well? like I said Publishers are looking to make money not to make people happy, they want to get the most money they can from even people reselling games!
    so yeah... if you think ps4 wont have something like this then you really don't know Publishers and why they publish games.
    if I was a publisher I would take the option that gives me more money for my games, instead of giving my games to a console B that doesn't have the same or don't want to have it and then benefit me.
  • Quick question, how do they determine who's family & who's not ?
  • Lick the kinect camera and it does a dna test. It will probably be based on how you set up the accounts. Eg profile can belong to one family group.
  • lol...
  • loooool Hilarious!
  • Am I the only one who finds the concept of giving the software companies control over the resale of a game appalling? I am an inventor, (toys, mostly) I have created several things which have gone to market, and even been able to eke out a modest living for my family doing so. Do I expect my creations to not be resold? No. Do I expect a "fee" every time one is sold? No.
    Why? Am I wrong...I don't believe so...I made these things to sell, if they aren't worthy than they won't. If people fall out of love with them and they wind up on eBay, why should I care? I've been paid.
    So telling me that the software design companies have the right to demand only one user per title period strikes me as completely asinine. They have already been paid, and the product is being enjoyed, if the product is no longer being enjoyed by user A, and user A wishes to sell it to user B, then he should be permitted to.
    And before anyone tries the lame excuse of "preventing piracy" I would like to point out that it is such a weak excuse. I've had my stuff knocked off before...that's why God invented lawyers. Case Closed.
     
    -Doc
  • Thank you for getting it!
  • Exactly !!!!!
  • If they are able to succeed at this it might open the door for every major industry in the world to try and get money out of the selling of used items. Think about, you have to give Ford a percent when you sell your old F150 after you get a new one.
  • +2000
  • please... that analogy (if we can call it like that) doesnt even make sense... so please next time try to think in a better one.
     
    its really not the same to buy a game console and buy a car! use your brain... and then tell me how is it the same? starting because only because you buy a disc it doesnt mean its yours and you can do whatever you want with it. you are authorized to play it, but it doesnt mean you can cross the line Publishers draw!.
    also its not like you arent getting money to resell your game. and be thankful you can still do it in this generation because PC gaming havent let that for years! or can you sell games bought on steam? or origin? or gfwl?? answer is no!
    you cant even resell games you bought in your tablet or phone.....
     
    publishers have the right to try to get the most money they can for THEIR work. like it or not they are publishers and their business is to spend money to make games which will make them get alot of money. dont like it? you could always go back to snes or gamecube or ps1... because if PC has let all this verifications and drm to be on it, then why cant consoles have it? so yeah they have the right to get money for people selling used games. why? because  those are their games! even if you bought the disc, it doesnt mean you cant do whatever you want with it!. thats their rules, if you dont like them well... you can always chose not to play videogames because it happens everywhere, from desktops to phones! so its not bad publishers now want more money for their work in consoles
  • So what your saying Emi, is that just because the abuse is rampant, it is okay?  Yes, that makes perfect  sense. 0.o
     
    The reason PC gaming hit such a decline over the years is because of crap like this...this is one of the reasons console gaming has been so strong for so long. But you can't remain on top forever without thinking that you are somehow special. I have a distinct feeling that the gaming industry thinks that all of us are idiots, because they push this idea that for some reason they deserve more money after they have already recieved their initial payoff.
     
    There is an old saying "Once you pay the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane."  I find it significantly apt to this situation. These game companies are laughing at us all the way to the bank, because we end up paying them multiple times for the same lines of code ad infinitum...the programmer, the designers, the engineers and everybody who does the actual work of creation in these cases often got paid for it one time, with perhaps a tiny bit on the residuals. (just ask them sometime, you will be surprised at how little they make...I used to do contract work for EA, and it is something I would never recommend...they still owe me money.)
     
    So in short, it's the company fatcats who have come up with yet another way to get even more cash out of us, in a system where the original way worked just fine, with no need for changes, under the assumption that we are all a bunch of idiots who are mezmerized by the big, glowy, box in front of us and are too stupid to think for ourselves.
     
    In the words of Dr. Phil..."You need to wake up!"
  • I totally agree with you Gamedoc. I don't get why some industries think they should be treated with special regard.
  • Family Share sounds like an awesome feature that I can make great use of.
  • Worst decision ms could have made. This will make sales drop by the millions. There's 48 million Xbox live paying users. Out of 80 million owners.
  • So what I'm hearing is no internet no Xbox one!! will msft or Someone just come out and say it already!!
  • They have said it. Well you don't have to have it for 23hours 59mins if that's any help to you? You can watch tv and dvd/blu rays to your hearts content though.
  • I already have a bluray player so with out internet x1 I useless
  • An internet connection every 15 or 30 days would be fine but every 24 hours that's ridiculous. Seriously.
  • That's some real troll shit to do and would get you F'd up quickly where I'm from! Especially if it's a session of dark souls 2!
  • Why are people just accepting the 24 hour check in??? I really don't borrow games so that's fine but come on....call bs when you see bs... I bet Sony will do the same thing..we need to take a stand! Its not like car companies monitor what you do with your car??? Not to mention restrict what you can do with it?
  • Making profits off of resold games is double dipping. This isn't in any prevalent industry as I know but now they want to do this with games? So we really don't own what we buy anymore?
  • I didn't read anywhere it said MS would take any extra fees! The publishers are the ones trying to double dip, but it won't work. You'll take your game to wherever and trade and do as before. If you trade your game to someone else the game just needs to come off your account. No fee, so stop complaining!
  • Agree with you people are over reacting here. Only people who should be concerned are ones with no internet
  • Concerned is putting it lightly, they need to just forget it lol. I personally like the fact they leave it up to publishers, gives the gamer a choice if they want to buy their product. But 24hr check in is different kettle of fish, as that can and will rule some people out regardless of their views.
  • Curious to see what Sony does.
  • Personally I think the ps4 will do something similar. I'm always on the internet with a plethora of gadgets and I think that I will be fine since i don't let people borrow games anyway. I'm a competitive gamer especially with gamerscore and achievements so if my friends wanna play with me they gotta get their own damn Xbox. I'll wait till e3 before I come to a decision.
  • XBOX live gold membership should be free if people are going to have to put up with this! ;)
  • As much as I'd like to agree, Microsoft does an exceptional job making sure Xbox Live is like no other online experience. That premium we pay is definitely making a difference. It kicks the crap out of Playstations online service.
  • My XBox hasn't. Moved from its spot beneath my flat screen for over 3yrs. The connection thing isn't at all a concern for me. I'm guessing that I'm in the large majority of users out there.
  • I wonder if people didn't realize that it was fanboys spreading those rumor about these nonse and X1 especially with the fact that they complain about how the X1 was more about your whole family and not you alone seriously the X1 is doing what the 360 does but doing it even greater. The fact that they talk how the playstation is way more powerful when looking at specs where each category the specs are the same expect GPU where x1 is .82 and ps4 is .89 seriously is way more powerful the fact that X1 can do all these things I feel they was just jealous of Microsoft innovation yet again.
  • Umm ps3 uses gddr5 where one uses ddr3. Makes a big difference. And this is far from innovation.
  • We assume it will make a big difference. We won't know for sure until the consoles are released.
  • Also I am a veteran and I can safely say that this will also be bad for troops who take an Xbox toba deployed location like so many do. Its very common to take a console to play when you are not working 15 or 16 hours a day 7 days a week turning wrenches to fix broken fighter jets. And in Iraq and places internet is very limited and expensive
  • I can't find the source right now (I'm on mobile out to dinner) but Microsoft will have a unique method for troops. So if you guys have an Xbox One out in the desert you won't be subjected to the same requirement to touch Microsofts servers in a 24 hour period. Thanks for serving! 
  • I saw (or heard) the exact same thing you did but haven't been able to find the source. At least seeing someone else write it doesn't make me feel like my mind is making stuff up.
  • I so agree but I've heard of a " special Xbox one for veterans maybe one that does not need and I mean at all a internet connection I think I read that here so if you buy the special Xbox one buy one for me you'll be able to make a fortune!
  • Other things that drive me crazy is the fact that people think Kinect would really listen in on them what makes them so important. Look at the campaign Microsoft been running with sreggle. Or the fact they complain about connecting to the internet 360. Apps Doesn't even work without a internet connection I say these was pure jealously
  • The only reason why u need internet is for updates people and to play your games that are save on the servers I am sure I can play so much games on xb1 without every be connected to the internet game stop will not back down from buying or selling used came
  • Are you high? It clearly says you can't play offline more than 24 hours.
  • My current Xbox 360 Kinect is always on, if a family member gets worried about their privacy I turn it around or put a towel over it. Problem solved. I can't wait for the 3rd coming of the XBOX.
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  • So many rules F Microsoft. I might go for ps4 If it sounds better. If not I'll hang up gaming.
  • It's like Steam....  but with more sharing / trading….
  • Shhh.... be careful, you might make a little too much sense for some of the trolls ;)
  • From other forums: i hate it, cant sell my own things, im going to stick to pc and steam. No they don't ever see the irony of it. Then some one else will say that steam is different ecosystem blah blah.
  • No! It's completely different! Steam is on my computer, which isn't connected to the internet all of the time, and I can sell my......wait, it's pretty much the same thing. /s
  • Seriously, used game like Gamestop is out there to SCAM you.  I bought Tomb Raider at Fry's for $29.99.  Guess how much Gamestop is selling it used? $54.99.  If you think for 1 second that Developer or MS is out to get you, think again.  You have an evil empire that you try so hard defending.  GAMESTOP.  Boycott Gamestop now!!
  • Some games are cheaper some are more its on the consumer to do their homework. The important point your missing is people want a choice of how are where to purchase their (excuse me rights) to media. Greed will be the end of this country.
  • Choices?
    With Gamestop charging $54.99.  i'd rather buy brand new game for $5 more. Of course you will choose to buy it at Gamestop.
  • Or you can choose to buy it on Amazon, or eBay, or Craigslist, Walmart or any other place you choose. I have no beef with Gamestop as they do actually have discounts and the like that bring the cost of their used games down. I don't agree with their pricing everytime and in which case I go elsewhere. Places like Best Buy also sell used games. In the case of Gamestop, they are a dedicated video game retailer and as such need used games to exist because there isn't a company on this planet that could exist in the gaming retail space if they only sold new.
  • Its not like GameStop's the only avenue to purchase used games
  • Again my point being, Gamestop as an example is out there to Scam people.  I am not saying Best buy or Amazon don't do it, in fact, used game avenues revolves around Gamestop method.  Developers are the one making the game sh**y or not and used game is  there to rip them off.
  • Gone are the days of simplicity it's all big business worrying about squeezing every penny from the consumer. I feel like they had 1000s of lawyers draw up Xbox ones policies. Ridiculous the more technological we become the more we lose our freedoms.
  • Yeah, not being able to swap games with my friends at work might kill this for me. I was really looking forward to this.
  • Yep. That and think about people in college, military. You can't just take your disc next door to another dorm or barracks and play. You can't just hand someone a disc to borrow. What a crock! I like MS, but damn, sometimes they seem to love to shoot themselves in both feet.
  • Your welcome :) From what I read in the most recent statement MS still has not finalized a plan for troops over seas
  • I see this as the way that MS (and probably Sony) are going to kill off physical media. Steam has had success at it, so why not MS and Sony?
  • I was in the Navy in the submarine service. Sorry, but the XboxOne would be useless.
    MS really screwed up here the more I think about it. From the required internet connection to making it a hassle to borrow or lend games to friends. Then selling seems like its even worse. I may still get one, but I can see why many others wont that normally would. MS didn't have to go this route, they freely chose to. And I think stubbornness and inability to realize many situations of people is really going to hurt them. I won't ever get a PS4, but I see them taking this next Gen handedly, and the details in this article will be the reasons why.
  • I replied to a veteran above, but basically Microsoft will have a special system in place for boxes used abroad with troops. You guys will have a different system and won't need to ping their servers once in a 24 hour period. I'm at dinner, so I can't find the source, but do a quick search and something might pop up. Thanks for serving us! 
  • Looks like my VCR I threw away 5 years ago.
  • Obviously your thoughts on the look of the Xbox are unique to yourself. However, I like the way it looks and totally agree with their justifications for making it look like that. The device is meant to seamlessly blend in with the rest of your A/V equipment and home theatrer set up. 
  • I don't disagree with you and I know we all have different tastes and perspectives :) It's good to blend in but it's also good for it to stand out from the rest of the bunch so it looks 2013 at least, IMO. A new console. 
    On the other side, I don't like those "ventilations" on half of the console as well because even if it keeps the console running smoothly sooner or later it is going to get covered with dust......and I can't imagine cleaning all those gaps.... Some people will hide them in cabinets, but some don't. I appreciate it being boxy though unlike the PS3 because I can stack them up if necessary. I live in Asia and a lot of houses are small (including mine ;) ) so that is nice.  Maybe the aesthetics just hasn't sunk in yet.....until I see it in person maybe...but at the moment I'm just hoping the pictures are not doing it justice. 
  • That does not blend well with my set up! White surround sound unit, sky box that has rounded edges.......
  • I have both a PS3 & a 360 the online play is easier to access on the 360 , but once you get things set up on the PS3 it can deliver a very good online experience too. You just have more hoops to jump thru to get to it. The PS3 seems to be the better built console too. I've only had to buy 1 PS3 over the years but several 360's and i play the PS3 more. That's my main worry about X1, how long will it last being always on.
  • I've had my Xbox 360 over 3 years and only problem I have is disc try. But we prefer Xbox arcade over buying disc. I cannot tell you how much I hate buying. They last less than a week! Anyway I did have rrod, but somehow I fixed it by disconnect from power supply and everything worked again. Since having Xbox, I will buy no other. You can complain anything you want but at the end of the day, Xbox is an awesome system.
  • One thing I'm going to miss is game rentals on RedBox. Great way to try a game before spending the whole $50 on it.
  • I'm hoping they have a special "rental copy" of games for Redbox and Gamefly.
  • I agree wpguy, alot of the games coming out are just terrible games, I think that is hurting games sells more than piracy.
  • It kills me to say this because I've been a day one buyer of XBox and 360 -- this console just does not sound like fun.  Too many policies and requirements.  They can talk all they want about games at E3, X1 is DOA to me right now and there isn't a game that can change my mind.  The 24-hour check-in to play your own games is ridiculous and I won't support it.  I really liked what I saw in the launch event and have defended X1 up until now.  No longer.  I have a Surface RT and WinPhone8,  X1 should be a no brainer for me, but I'm now considering PS4 (I have never bought any generation PS console before and really dislike Sony).  I cannot believe these words are coming from me.  Hopefully MS comes to their senses.
  • I like Microsoft and Sony. Have no reason to hate either but I must say Sony puts out top notch exclusive titles
  • Confusion?
  • Agreed! Same thought process here at the moment...
    Just doesnt sound fun at all.
  • I wonder how ms will get this info to a normal consumer who does not follow industry news. I don't have broadband where I live right now and only have a 10gb month hotspot plan for my whole family that cost almost 100 bux a month. I would be returning my console if I found this out once I got home. Not to mention the trading and selling game policy will be burried in fine print. Each game will have to say if you can even trade it or not right on the box
  • Really tired of all these complaints, I am always commected to the internet. I mean really people its 2013. If you have a constant problem with your online connection.....fix it!!!!
    Love all these features. by the way. no more discs for me!