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Microsoft begins to build a narrative for 'Windows Core OS' at Computex 2019

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What you need to know

  • Microsoft has started talking about a new "modern OS" for new devices.
  • Seamless updates among other things have been confirmed.

A plethora of new Windows PCs have been announced at Computex this week, many featuring unique designs and dual-screen setups. We're in an era of change for Windows PCs, and that's a great thing. But it's not just the hardware that's changing, it's the software too. With Windows Core OS in the works, and coming soon, Microsoft has finally started building a narrative for this new OS, laying the foundations for what's to come.

In a post on the Windows Blog, Microsoft describes a new and modern OS designed to run on mobile device experiences like laptops, foldable tablets, dual-screen PCs, and more. While not mentioned by name, Microsoft is likely referring to Windows Lite, as that is the version of Windows Core OS that's being built for those device types. It's a new, modern, lightweight version of Windows designed with the web front and center.

This ecosystem requires an operating system that enables the foundational experiences customers expect from their devices, such as seamless updates, default security that protects users and the OS from malicious attacks, connectivity anywhere with 5G, LTE and Wi-Fi and performance that is consistent and reliable over time. Microsoft is investing to enable these modern OS experiences, and to deliver new experiences that take advantage of silicon advancements, powerful PCs, the cloud and power of AI.

In another blog post (opens in new tab), Microsoft goes into even more detail about its modern OS, detailing several key areas it's focused on with building a modern OS:

  • Seamless updates.
  • Secure by default.
  • Always connected.
  • Sustained performance.
  • Cloud connected.
  • AI.
  • Multi-sense.
  • Form factor agilty.

Microsoft still isn't using the "Windows Core OS" name, referring to it only as "modern OS" for the time being, but the company has confirmed a few things we've been expecting to be part of Windows Core OS, including seamless updates, that should enable Windows Core OS devices to update in under a minute during a reboot. Microsoft also touts performance that doesn't degrade and form factor agility, likely referring to the new modern shell experiences that can adapt on the fly, and better security that protects users from attacks.

It's an exciting time for Windows devices, and this is just the start. Things are only going to get more interesting as we enter into 2020. Windows Core OS is the future of Windows, and is vital to the future of Windows devices. Our sources tell us we might start hearing about Windows Lite later this year, possibly in October if Microsoft is able to stick to its schedule. In the meantime, are you looking forward to Windows Core OS? Let us know in the comments.

Be sure to check out our ultimate guide to Windows Core OS

The full extract referring to the modern OS is below:

These new modern PCs and innovative devices the ecosystem will continue to build and bring to market in the future require a modern operating system. An OS that provides a set of enablers that deliver the foundational experiences customers expect from their devices, and includes a set of delighters that deliver innovative human centric experiences. Enablers include seamless updates – with a modern OS updates are invisibly done in the background; the update experience is deterministic, reliable, and instant with no interruptions! A modern OS, is also secure by default, the state is separated from the operating system; compute is separated from applications; this protects the user from malicious attacks throughout the device lifecycle. Always connected -with a modern OS Wifi, LTE 5G will just work – and users never have to worry about a deadspot. All of a users devices are aware and connected to each other. A modern OS provides sustained performance, from the moment a user picks up their device – everything is ready to go – without having to worry about the next time the PC needs to be charged. These enablers will satisfy customer's basic needs, but to truly differentiate we must also delight them. A modern OS does this by enabling cloud-connected experiences that use the compute power of the cloud to enhance users experiences on their devices.  These experiences are powered by AI, so a modern OS is aware of what a user is doing tomorrow and helps them get it done, and it enhances applications making them more intelligent. A modern OS is also multi-sense. People can use pen, voice, touch, even gaze – what ever input method a user wants to use works just as well as the keyboard and mouse. Finally, a modern OS provides the ultimate in form factor agility. A modern OS has the right sensor support and posture awareness to enable the breadth of innovative form factors and applications that our partner ecosystem will deliverThese enablers and delighters underpin our vision for a Modern OS, they will provide the foundational elements for an evolution of the PC ecosystem and enable partners to deliver the more human-centric experiences of tomorrow. Microsoft is investing to enable these modern OS experiences, and to deliver new ones that take advantage of silicon advancements, powerful PCs, the cloud and power of AI. Experiences like an Asian Inking platform, cognitive recognition services that help with photo tagging and new Your Phone capabilities that let users mirror their Android phone screen on their PC and use the PC mouse and keyboard to interact with phone apps and content using either Wi-Fi or LTE.

Zac Bowden
Zac Bowden

Zac Bowden is a Senior Editor at Windows Central. Bringing you exclusive coverage into the world of Windows 10 on PCs, tablets, phones, and more. Also an avid collector of rare Microsoft prototype devices! Keep in touch on Twitter: @zacbowden.

83 Comments
  • Can't wait until they start showing off builds
  • If I were MS, I'd open source as much of it as possible, as soon as possible.
  • Since you weren't Microsoft, what now?
  • Honestly, open sourcing could be googles downfall in the end. Someone writes equivilant APIs, spoofs the google dependancies in open source android, for eg. Or should devs stop using those dependancies, because of some android fork. It's a commercial vulnerability. Not nessasarily a problem, but could.
  • I wish Microsoft the best at everything they do. If it is just a ChromeOS imitation, then that is what people will see. If it has a taskbar, it looks like Windows. If it has tiles, it looks like Windows 8. If has a profile page with a bubble on top of a window, it looks like the deprecated contacts feature from Windows 10.
  • It will go absolutely nowhere if the hardware isn't available, and anything MS releases has got to actually SELL or it will disappear like everything else
  • MS has a pretty good track record of late in the non-phone space and I think this is something they can pull off. As much as Google hates it, Windows and Office are still the paradigm to beat outside of a phone and this looks like a nice evolution.
  • Exactly. This is competing against Windows. Without an ecosystem, why would you use this modern OS?
  • Please share what you mean by No ecosystem?
    I use Windows exclusively plus their services and I am good (Note: My use case scenario), Chromium Edge just makes it even better (Now Google can but will sweat sabotaging them)
  • Windows ecosystem is already starting to lack modern services. We don't know if this will even be branded Windows or run legacy Windows apps. If it branded Windows and/or runs legacy programs, it will be judged harshly if it doesn't live up to the name. There really is no winning if this has any Windows connotations at all. The only way this succeeds is if they make sure to keep Windows out of it, have amazing new devices to showcase, and have a mind blowing user experience in the software. Improved battery life, internet connectivity (I don't understand why they would even boast about this in 2019), and updates do not make a mind blowing user experience. Actually if the user experience is strong enough, even Windows branding won't stop it. They just need to really have something never done before and that has everything else looking ancient. Bigger than iPhone in 2007.
  • What pray tell is it lacking? If we're taking purely about windows, it's only limitations us the hardware it's placed on
  • Windows hasn't seen an important new consumer-facing application in at least a decade. Maybe two. Windows is still a thriving niche platform for gamers, and it is still the OS on which many applications are written (for other operating systems), but it doesn't have *anything* new under the sun. It is a purely legacy OS at this point.
  • The fact that it supports legacy programs too does not necessarily make it a legacy OS, I would even go as far as that it is a big advantage for some users like gamers and companies. Basically Windows offers both legacy and modern options and while the modern options (mostly consumer apps) are not as numerous as on e.g. iOS, it is still good enough (and in some cases the best).
  • Just look at what Finebits does with UWP (modern), 8Zip and Torrex are extremely powerful, easy to use, and look fantastic compared to their legacy counterparts (WinRAR, 7Zip, BitTorrent, uTorrent)
  • Arrr, steamVR, mixed reality. Loads of AI applications. Inking, calligraphy. Gesture sensing. Just last year Microsoft released eye tracking for the paralyzed. Literally, all the share economy stuff is on the web, not just on phones. What are you on about? People need apps for everything on phones because the screens are so awful. The vast majority of innovation that has occurred on phones, is actually web-centric, not platform centric. That there is 'an app for that', is primarily either because of a) sensors/mobile and b) crappy output scale or c) because they are later to the game.
  • I'm not sure which modern services you feel windows is currently lacking. I certainly cannot think of an ecosystem which offers more.
  • I am almost sure this OS will bring Win32 emulation via containerized apps like they did with Windows on ARM. They also have an ecosystem of UWP and the number of PWA is only growing. WCOS will be fine. I am mostly wondering about how the UI and devices will look like. I want a tablet that has Windows on it with an UI to match. Windows 10 tablet mode is good but it has a lot to improve to catch up to othe OS. Heck even Chrome OS will release an update that will fix/improve the tablet mode for its devices.
  • Microsoft announced UWP was dead a few weeks ago. PWA is still in it's infancy and isn't a differentiator. If you want to use legacy Windows apps, why not just use them natively on Windows 10? I don't think Microsoft will be able to answer these questions. They will never be able to justify releasing such a thing. We will hear small details about it for the next year or two, then it will be "put on hold". WC will have an article about how that doesn't mean canceled. It will never be released beyond Hololens and Hub.
  • Even with Windows 10 being able to run all the apps WCOS will run, there will be a huge difference in how WCOS looks and functions, it will be much more suited for consumers. Plus with msft turning Windows 10 into a robust tool for devopers and such (Linux subsystem for example), a "lighter" OS seems appropriate for "light" computing. Otherwise ChromeOS will just continue to grow.
  • That is the same argument Windows RT, Windows Mobile, Windows in S-Mode, and WoA have made. Why will it suddenly work now?
  • I thought the point of S mode was for security? The speed was a bonus because store apps where supposed to make it faster only because UWP when it runs well, is faster. WoA is supposed to be about being always on, always connected. The devices were supposed to be smaller and lighter, not the OS.
  • What people here don't understand is that Windows is a pure legacy play at this point. UWP failed because no one is writing *new* programs for Windows. There is *nothing* MS can do about this except, maybe, open source it, and hope that gives it a second life in the cloud--which is where every new innovation in software will come from, from now on. (Until the next thing comes along.)
  • Nobody is writing for windows? That is a very bold claim I think you would have a very hard time justifying. I'd even go as far as to say you are wrong.
  • Moronic. There's no other word for this statement.
  • Where did Microsoft announce UWP is dead? I’d appreciate seeing the actual quote or reference because that’s news to me. You make that statement so emphatically and with authority that it invites challenge...
  • He means the announcement that they weren't focusing on pushing new devs into UWP and allowing more tools to give UWP assets to W32 apps. Apparently this means it's dead.
  • But just recently I saw that the UWP package in Visual Studio was updated, so clearly it is not dead.
  • It isn't, it's being merged into a bigger framework called WinUI. Which can run both the win32 model and UWP sandbox model depending on the app's needs. It's open source here's the repo https://github.com/microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml/. They're actually evolving UWP so that it can be used by a number of targets and there's tons of activity on the repo that adds new controls for it. The good thing about this is that the renderer isn't tied to Windows OS release cylce anymore like Chromium which means they can iterate on features faster. Their 3.0 plan is to merge both WPF (win32 model) and UWP (secure sandbox model) into one UI framework. It's in the same theme that .Net 5 is going, merging both Mono, .NetFramework, and .Net core's features making it easy to pick a model (AOT via Mono, JIT via .net core).
  • Wow that is awesome news, thanks for sharing. :)
  • No it isn't, UWP as a UI Model is dead but the whole app cycle (tombstone, revive, sleep), security sandbox, and permission system will still be used. It's not "dead" in a sense actually but rather merged into a new UI Framework called WinUI which merges all the UI features UWP has and also merges what it lacked that WPF had. This model can run both UWP (sandbox mode) and win32 but will use the UWP XAML + and some features from WPF XAML. This was a big announcement on Build and is actually open source as well at this github link https://github.com/microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml/. So, no UWP didn't die but rather evolved into a more feature rich framework that bridges WPF and UWP.
  • Can you link to where microsoft said that? I don't believe it.
  • UWP is not dead, I just recently saw that the UWP package in Visual Studio was updated, so clearly it is not dead.
  • They may have an ecosystem now that they are going to put Google's core software into IE. This should be their open door to an ecosystem especially for devices that are in the mobile category.
  • It's still hard to tell if the concept of 'ecosystem' will really mean anything in say five years. If devs are smart they'll move to PWA. Take up so far has been slow (So far just like twitter, uber, some others and all the google apps), but I wouldn't actually bet money on 'app ecosystem' being a meaningful phrase people use often in the future. Unless you mean power apps, like win32's and UWPs, in which case this is supposed to be able to run both.
  • If consumers are not idiots they won't accept 'smart devs' that offer them PWA apps. And unlike those 'smart' devs, consumers are not idiots - they are definitely not the smartest people around but also not idiots either. Also business people will never accept PWAs when they see the real effect. So aside from 'smart devs' it is hard to think who will support PWAs.
  • I am curious about two points here: one I have quite strong views on the second I dont and would be interested to see your reasoning: 1. Who on earth told you consumers are smart? 2. (Serious note) given that PWA is likely to remain associated with service apps rather than more complex productivity tools why would consumers need to be fools to accept them?
  • I do think that no customer will accept the PWA for anything that is core for him. So there are use cases for PWAs, though I am not sure to what you refer to under 'service apps'. Also if a company has the app (and most companies do by now), it is almost impossible to make a case to replace the app with PWA. Those two things make PWAs remain the niche. But this is still based on some (reasonable) assumputions. The real proof that PWAs have no future is that Apache Cordova isn't popular. And PWAs are just an evolution of Apache Cordova. I haven't told consumers are smart, I told they are not idiots. That told me Winston Churchill, if you insist.
  • The case to replace with PWA is easy. 1) It's less costly to maintain 2) code once, deploy everywhere; web, android, windows, chrome, xbox etc. Massive savings long term. 3) It's less risk. Because it's a platform agnostic standard, it doesn't rely on the popularity of a host OS (that could be replaced) to work. As for users, it's doubtful they would know. Either they'd simply see 'a web page', or they'd simply see 'an app'. It's local, it's touch optmised, it's quick, and it's intergrated. PWA is basically invisible to the user. Twitter on windows, for example, is PWA only. Do many windows users, using the app even know? Doubtful. Same with googles many apps, 80 percent of which are PWAs. They are already being used, and users don't even know they are using them. Why would users reject something that is indistinguishable to them? Makes no sense. The uptake so far, whilst less than many hyped, is still good. Mainly these things rely on 'leaders' shifting their core services. Most people don't use many apps at all. Of course some stuff is better to run native, like it needs better access to the OS, or uses more resources. But people use far less of those apps, than they do very light weight stuff.
  • I can't parse whatever you are babbling about. Twitter and uber, and basically all of the google apps, are already PWAs. You are probably already using PWAs on a regular basis (do you use google maps on a PC in chrome? That's a PWA).
  • With QSD for WoA, Once they start populating native 64 apps, they will go a lot somewhere.
  • What a waste of time. I'm guessing this is ment to run on arm. By the time they get this out arm chips will be fast enough to run win 10 easy. I'm already running win arm on my 950 xl and it's not event that bad. I can even play ultima online on it lol. Funny 5 guys hacking it to work have done more then anyone at Ms lately.
  • Tell that to the people running Android with 8gb of ram.
  • I am also running arm on a 950 and I think you'd have to agree this is not the right form factor for windows in its current shape. The point of this OS is to allow Microsoft to give comparable functionality but me more adaptive to form factors than the keyboard and mouse centric windows 10
  • Question to Bowden: What are the plans for new and current Surface devices in 2019? When will MS announce something new/refreshed?
  • October is probably when we'll see the next hardware event.
  • I would assume they are in the process of designing the internals to accommodate the new 10nm processor.
  • Don't hold your breath. Surface devices usually are behind 1 generation in chips.
  • Not interested. Another fail continuum and touch mode. Seamless updates will be buggy.
    Cloud connected, a bunch of nonsense forced on to the user.
    Always connected, you will be forced to pay subscriptions for features.
    A.I. only works in USA.
  • Let me make an attempt turning some of these to positive. "Not interested." (Right to this opinion) Another fail continuum and touch mode.
    (This is not a continuum thingy, every modern and or mobile have touch or inking, also read what they wrote, it clearly listed all types of input, so whatever input you like you are covered) "Seamless updates will be buggy."
    (True that, Even though they said they will test it like crazy with the un-interrupted update, I am 100% with you on this one, not sure I can trust what I'll call 100% flawless seamless update) "Cloud-connected, a bunch of nonsense forced on to the user."
    (Sir, I probably don't know what you meant here, but cloud rules, The future of computing and autonomous driving are based on goodness of 5G connectivity and the cloud, especially it's edge) "Always connected, you will be forced to pay subscriptions for features."
    (This is not a MSFT thing, this are carriers, ISP anywhere in the world thing) "A.I. only works in USA."
    (This is not true, Even with A.I still in its mass use infancy, China "Surveillance of their citizens with one of the best facial recognition (Creepy with loss of privacy, YES, but heavily used) is currently the biggest user of A.I, followed by Europe.)
  • I think he meant Cortana is U.S. only, while that's still not exactly true, it is true that Cortana is not available worldwide.
  • A very cynical view.
    Windows update passes 99% of the time.
    Cloud services are not useless if your workflow suits it. I work in an office commute, often work at home in the evening. I dont often work on my commute as it's too short. So cloud. 2 PCs, cloud synced. I close my work computer and 1hr later open my PC at home and the document is there. Working with a colleague in the US...I'm in the office he is working at home so we are on different networks, he can vpn in but even so traditional file share is not ideal. Now the document is cloud hosted and we work on it simultaneously.
    The subscription model works because it means new features become available to all users, not reliant on a large upfront overhead to refresh programs every 2 years or so.
    Finally the foue major digital assistants have a US focus for sure but azure AI does not. Both telefonica is Spain and Deutsche Telekom in Germany are building out digital assistants off the back of the azure framework.
  • I want to be excited but, in my heart, this coincides way too much with Microsoft shifting Edge over to Chromium and pushing Core OS out to next year as a result. I foresee MS making their own version of Chrome OS while ignoring the fact that Chromebooks' main advantage is that you can get one for 200 bucks. I also forsee them giving us x86 compatibility by offering us yet another service to subscribe to so we can have access to a virtual desktop because 'you'll always be connected and isn't that magical?' My expectations are firmly in check.
  • You can get Windows machines for less than $200, and $200 Chrombooks are also junk.
  • Windows 10 licenses are already free under 10 inches. Chances are there will be little to no license for this. I see no reason to assume it would be more expensive or require more expensive hardware than ChromeOS. With all these 'win32 won't be local' comments, I wonder how people are imagining the new Edge, which is a win32 is supposed to run on these machines. You think they will have the web browser run by streaming? Not in any way realistic.
  • Windows Core OS is modular by nature, and they've created a win32 module for it. Now to be fair I assume that's for when it inevitably replaces Windows NT on Windows 10
  • When this finally ships it will look a LOT like Chrome OS.
    A lightweight framework with all the apps running out of the cloud (with local caching for offline use.)
    I don't expect them to directly support win32 apps, and they may push some kind of cloud-based containerization for it, or possibly something like Windows Sandbox where it runs in a separate session.
    Looking forward to it however. Time to move on from the old boat-anchor of Win32 support and applications.
    They will STILL provide a full Windows 10 (or at least some kind of emulation) to the Enterprise however, as businesses have far, FAR too much sunk-costs with their in-house and 3rd party apps to support for the next 10 years. Even though they are pushing their Azure-based VDI solution, it won't replace desktops any time soon.
    For the Home user however. I think 2021 is the year Core OS is released for them.
  • At this point in time, MS has sat on its butt for so long in pushing the Windows Store as a decent alternative that home users are just using their Android and iOS devices and, increasingly, Chrome OS because it's dirt cheap. Non-enterprise users use Windows now for running small businesses and playing games. A Windows version that is just like Chrome but without any legacy support and so-so app selection unless you pay up to use the programs you've already bought over the years is DOA.
  • People buy Chrome books because they only need access to the web, and don't care about apps. That same market would be interested in Windows lite.
  • Chrome boooks are only used in the US, and ipads are really a tiny market as well. Compared say, to the overall laptop market, both of those are tiny. The PC market shrunk for a few years, but recently has had growth. Instead of mobile OSes replacing PCs, mostly what's happened is people have both (unless they are in the third world). I don't know how well this OS will do, but I suspect its for a very specific purpose and market; with adaptive UI, it'll be primarly for 2 in 1s, and foldables etc. Certainly if they don't have the already built win32 emulation layer, people won't be happy. PWA plus UWP isn't quite enough yet. However because it's built on windows core I have no idea why they wouldn't have win32/64 support. They'll have to have it for the normal desktop version of windows anyway. Making the updates and OS lighter, is really only a matter of reduced running services etc, surely?
  • With Microsoft, there is almost never a straightforward conversion. The greatest strength of Windows is its massive compatibility with years worth of old and new software. I can get behind making it lighter. What I can't get behind is them attempting yet again to make something appealing and easy to use for iOS/Android/Chromebook users while ignoring the fact that Windows works because of the access it has to aforementioned software. Every single time MS tries to dump that legacy or make people jump through hoops to get back the functionality folks are used to, they fail miserably. In other words, on paper this sounds good but I don't expect much from MS these days and no, The Cloud is not the catch all solution for compatibility. If there's even a hint that the programs that people have paid for over the years won't be available without some sort of workaround or that they must pay for yet another subscription to make it happen, the new OS is going to crash and burn. Tldr, I remain skeptical because Microsoft has taught me to be so.
  • That is fair, I would be skeptical too towards new OS'es (not only Microsoft, Google etc had failures too). I do think this will have translation/emulation of legacy apps so it probably is not a huge issue for the target group by dumping native legacy apps, except for maybe gamers but they do have that new xbox gaming service now (or almost now) so perhaps that is not a problem than.
  • Well that's the right thing to be skeptical of. I wouldn't make the assumption that it's some kind of remote container like many seem to. But the issue with every new kernel OS, is the bridge. As you say Windows strength is it's software platform, bigger than any other, feature rich, powerful software. When MSFT moved from dos to win32, and from win32 to 64 there was a required effort to bridge it. The bridge between legacy apps, and modernized apps is necessarily bigger; there's adaptivity, notifications, sensors and different hardware platforms to account for. How they handle the distance of that gap, and how it is bridged is essential. For example, I think the move to make more UWP features/apis available to win32/64 is the right move. People will bridge that gap slowly, peice by peice. Better to allow tiny bit sized movements, rather than require a wholesale shift. I think for this OS, the right move is an emulation layer for arm/32, as with windows proper. So that for the most part, it's invisible to the user. They can always run containerized, or it can default to store apps only to start, so long as they run locally. However, I think such skepticism, seen wide in the comments, might be premature. The new edge is a win32 app. It's not UWP. In order to run the new edge, this OS must be able to execute win32s locally.
  • Wow! Thank you Zac for bringing this to the Windows Central readers! I'm truly excited! The form factor agility part of this OS will put Apple in the dust. Apple is too far behind on creating a form factor agility vision. I really do think Microsoft is on the right track with building the OS of the future. I'm so excited I think I might actually forgive them for killing W10M. It think they had their reasons so to make room for Windows Lite. I look forward to new information as this story unfolds.
  • This, in a small screen that also has mobile connectivity and is telephony-enabled.
  • ^^^^^ THIS IS WHAT I WANT! ^^^^^
  • I wonder if Microsoft is even going to specifically brand this OS with a marketing name at launch. Apple did not have a marketing name (iOS) for the iPhone's operating system until two years after the iPhone's debut. It was simply called iPhone OS for convenience. I wonder if Microsoft will take the appliance approach to marketing this new OS where emphasis is on the functionality of the devices not the underlining OS that is running them. For example, you don't talk about what operating system is running a smart TV, you talk about what features that smart TV has (i.e. Netflix, Amazon Prime, PiP, 4k, etc.). That said, this marketing approach requires a showcase device/appliance for it to work. Apple has the iPhone for iOS. I hope Microsoft (or partners) will have something similar when they finally debut this modern OS.
  • Interesting possibility. (extra words here to make my comment long enough to post)
  • I'm pretty sure the name will be "Windows" with 5 words following it.
  • I'm very curious to see this thing in action. I'm also optimistic about it. Something tells me this could be a winner.
  • Dear Microsoft, Whatever you do, don't follow the same ethos as Windows 10 and rush the thing out of the gate. Spend some time on the thing and make it polished from the start. We can deal with 10... But get this thing right from the beginning. (sort of like HoloLens. I feel that they are working for the best ecosystem possible and that's what matters at the beginning of the day. I love that they are making the damn thing perfect before releasing it in massive quantities. It will be that much more useable for the average day consumer.)
  • PS. get your collective asses together and find a way to punch back at Chrome OS. Your current deal is so half assed. Their current ideal fighter (surface go) is still to expensive.
  • Yeah! This is exciting! I can't to hear more about this.
  • UWP is in transition and the PWAs work through UWP.
  • Include WSL, and I'm sold.
  • Obviously, the most interesting thing about this is adaptable UI. Clearly designed initially to run on light 2 in 1s, laptops, tablets and foldables. Hard to say how well it'll do initially, but it's an important move. Without something in the 'smaller screen' space, adaptive UI apps with notifications, whether win32 or UWP are dead on arrival. They MUST have something in this space for the 'one OS on everything' strategy to have feet. I hope it's a win, a lot is riding on it. PWA might save the day eventually, but best not to put all eggs in one basket. Of course, coreOS is supposed to form the backbone of everything windows, so this will likely also have positive spin offs for stability, security and ease of update with regular windows eventually too.
  • Question for Zac Bowden: Will you be able to update your Surface Pro 6 to this new Modern OS or is this only for new devices designed specifically for it?
  • Good question, I don't think he'll have the answer tho. If the driver system is the same, you could in theory update. If it's not, you won't. The other issue is the CPUs; it's possible they'll include CPU features in the OS, if so, it might not be backwards compatible. Be nice though if it was backwards compatible, as it might be a nice way to give older machines new life.
  • Windows Core OS = Windows RT 2.0 in S Mode Failure Edition! Coming soon!
  • My take on window core will be uniting everything based on form factor. Removing the guts of Windows 10. Why? There's too much legacy code that MS can't innovate further. Remember start button debacle? I would assume next generation of tv can be tied in to Xbox cloud, holo lens, or shopping. Cars can be tied in to AI for troubleshooting codes, calling tow truck, or GPS direction. All of this will not be MS exclusive but developers using MS infastructure such as azure, office, Google, Apple seamlessly. Laptop or surface will continue to be powered by Windows 10 for IT or industry. For regular media consumption, window core will be the one to get.
  • MSFT does talk a good talk, doesn’t it? Only wish it would be so!-
  • I continue to be fascinated by the number of people who state as fact: no new operating system can succeed. That is an extremely bold claim and a foolish one too. The PC and smartphone industries as we know it have existed since the 90s if we are generous. These devices have made their way into so many aspects of life and yet there are so many people saying: if you weren't in in the first 20 years you are DOA. This is still a new industry it's far too early to say give up on change. Just because you as an individual may reject a new idea does not mean the industry as a whole will.
  • Certainly about the future in the face of mountains of inaccurate predictions in the past, is one of the most fascinating and amusing things about people.
  • Yes and No. Yes in that I can see a future of a single core upon which we can build. As far as I know I think and feel I am already in that narrative as what Microsoft is describing is already fact in the last 5 years. And windows 10 mobile was already part of that experience, even though we got to eventually learn, that both OS'es were still slightly different., dus to differences in hardware components (ARM vs Intel chips). It means a more tailored OS, dependant on the hardware specs, without bogging down the hardware. On the other hand I feel weary on this matter. Making software modules is great for customization and feels more holistic to the "personal" in personal computer (=pc). Inherently it is all about choice, and that is where I get worried. Inherently it could end up meaning more resoureces in time are put into certain software modules than others. I wonder how Microsoft is going to manage this democratic process. The consumer and business market are two large markets with a lot of say-so. But I worry then about other aspects of the software that don't get much attention, such as fit-and-finish of the software, and a dimishing investiment in improving emerging (for me exponentially growing) aspects of software related to touch and pen input software in a holistic software UI experience. The latter has come an almost standstil in developmental terms, compared to the surging comeback of mouse and keyboard orientated software. Understandable, but worrying at the same time. Microsoft had, in my experience, a good thing going with windows 8 and the early days of windows 10 with more engaging and forms of input with touch and pen input support. But of late a lot of that is being skewed to a more business and gamecentric focus, at the cost of other relevant input methods, that are in my experience just as relevant.