Should you buy the Xbox One S or wait for Project Scorpio?

Microsoft wowed the gaming world with the announcement of not one, but two gaming consoles that are coming to the Xbox One range at E3 2016. The Xbox One S will arrive later in August, while the other, dubbed only as Project Scorpio, won't be here until at least November 2017.

The big question for many is which should you get? It is a tough question, but I'll walk you through the pros and cons of each choice.

Xbox One S – Affordable, here today (almost)

The Xbox One S could be considered at most a 'sidegrade' for a current generation Xbox One. The One S features the same CPU and GPU as the current Xbox One, but brings these new features:

  • 40 Percent Smaller Console
  • 2TB Hard Drive
  • 4K Ultra HD Video and High Dynamic Range
  • 4K Blu-ray player
  • 1 New Streamlined Controller
  • Xbox One S Vertical Stand

Also, you lose the Kinect port, although you can still add a Kinect using a USB adapter (which Microsoft will give you for free if you are upgrading, a $50 value).

Starting price for the Xbox One S is $299 for the 500 GB version, which is not yet available for pre-order, while the 2TB version goes for $399 and you can pre-order it now to get it shipped to your home by August.

Who is the One S for?

If you currently have an Xbox One getting a One S does bring some unique features like 4K streaming and a 4K Blu-ray player. Those features are not completely mainstream, yet, and the streaming depends on your available bandwidth, but they are good future-proofing abilities.

For reference, Netflix recommends (opens in new tab) an internet connection speed of at least 25 megabits per second or higher for Ultra HD streaming.

The Xbox One S does not, however, do 4K gaming, which would be a big deal. Save that for Scorpio.

Being smaller with a slightly updated design is nice, but hardly a reason to drop $400 on the One S unless you want those space savings. The One S puts the clunky power brick into the unit itself, which certainly makes it more appliance-like for your living room. Some of that clumsiness comes back though if you add a Kinect and its USB adapter.

Because of those reasons, the One S is aimed not at current Xbox One owners, but rather people who still only have an Xbox 360 who are considering going to the Xbox One. And there are a lot of those people out there still using a 360!

Sure, Microsoft will take your money for a new console, but I do not think they are expecting current Xbox One to be the primary audience. Instead, the Xbox One S will be for those purchasing an Xbox One for the first time, and it should do very well around the holiday season.

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But wait…

Then again, if 4K Blu-ray is your thing consider this: Samsung's new 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player retails for $399.99 (opens in new tab) and it does not even do "Xbox things". If you were considering a 4K Blu-Ray player, why not just jump for the Xbox One S and get a lot more bang out of your buck?

If you really want to save some money, wait for the $299 Xbox One S with 500GB of storage as you get the same 4K Blu-ray player.

Personally, I am not into physical media anymore so the idea of a 4K Blu-ray is nice, but not something I would use all that often. Sure, if I could buy Star Wars in 4K Blu-ray, I might do that, but the 4K streaming is the selling point for myself not the player. Either way, consider your options.

Project Scorpio is for the Pros

What is Project Scorpio? Microsoft announced new hardware today without actually showing off said new console. Rumor has it this announcement was pushed forward because of Sony's expected "PlayStation 4.5" and leaks suggesting Microsoft also had a next-gen console in the works were too hard to ignore.

With that in mind, let's be clear: Project Scorpio, while sharing Xbox One lineage, is going to be an extreme gaming console. To wit, it:

  • Supports VR hardware like Oculus and HTC Vive
  • Supports 4K gaming at 60 FPS
  • 8-core CPU
  • Boasts a six teraflop GPU (way ahead of Sony's supposed 4.14 teraflops)
  • Interchangeable hardware (rumored)

Project Scorpio is basically a high-end gaming PC with an Xbox interface and Live services. It's a console experience, but finally something hardcore PC gamers will not be embarrassed to use either. If you do not get that joke, then Scorpio is also likely not your first choice.

Folks, this console will cost you a lot of money.

In fact, I would be shocked if Microsoft could bring the price down to $1,000, which would be a bargain. (Although, see below if they go with a lower-cost AMD solution; pricing could go down to the $600 range, which would be impressive).

For perspective, the ASUS Oculus Certified Gaming Desktop (no display) with a Core i7 and GTX 980 starts at $1700. Sure, there are cheaper VR-ready PCs out there, but whatever is in Project Scorpio will likely give any high-end PC on the market today a run for its money.

One of the fastest video cards available right now is the new GTX 1070 and it can do 6.5 teraflops. The GTX 1070 starts for around $400 (the faster GTX 1080 can do nine teraflops and starts at around $600), so you could imagine something comparable being in whatever Scorpio is when it launches in 2017.

Update: One possible strategy here may involve Microsoft using something from AMD along the lines of the new RX 480, which starts at $200. While the RX 480 falls short of six terflops (it's "just over five") it is close enough to think Micorosoft may go with AMD in 2017, as has been rumored, to keep the Scorpio price lower

Remember, that $600 is just for a GPU, no CPU, PCB board, RAM, storage, or any components like a 4K Blu-ray player.

It is worth mentioning that on stage it said "Beyond Generations" for a reason. Scorpio should have user-upgradeable hardware making it the one device to last a long time. The idea here is to get rid of hardware generations and let the user decide just like a real PC. That feature could be a huge selling point.

My point is this: Microsoft is not cannibalizing Xbox sales with Project Scorpio. If you are holding off for Project Scorpio, you are likely going to be giving Microsoft 2x to 3x more money for the experience, and that is being conservative.

If you are a casual gamer who wants 4K media, you will spit your drink out when you see the price tag for Scorpio.

Who is Project Scorpio for?

The answer to this question is easy: Scorpio is not targeting teenagers or casual gamers, it is going for the lucrative and premium hardcore PC gaming crowd. These are the people who routinely consider dropping $3K on a high-end gaming laptop, who spend $800 on video cards for their PCs every other year, who constantly tweak their hardware to push gaming to the extreme.

Some of this may vary, of course. I would not be surprised if Microsoft offers different configurations of Scorpio, possibly knocking the price down a bit.

Just take into consideration that if you find the $399 tag for the Xbox One S Launch Edition a bit pricey, Scorpio will likely make it look like chump change.

And that's okay.

Microsoft said Scorpio, which is fully backward compatible with all Xbox One games, is one of a few Xbox One consoles targeting different customers. Now that Windows 10 and the Xbox One overlap in features and even games (see the current list of Play Anywhere game) it makes sense for the company to make a console that can be upgraded and compete with high-end PCs. Why not, either? We have $100 Compute Sticks and $600 Compute Sticks too for the same reason.

What you should do

If your budget is ample and you do not mind spending money, I am sure that an Xbox One S will be a great holdover for the next 16-18 months before Project Scorpio will hit store shelves. Even then, you may want to tack on a few extra months for special deals, reviews, and to see if Microsoft launched it with any issues that need to be addressed. That begins to push the two-year mark for an Xbox One S, which is not crazy.

Later, you could then move your Xbox One S into your bedroom, which is a great second-use scenario for the powerful media device.

For those with an Xbox One already who think they want a very pricey Xbox at some point, I would start saving now for Scorpio and skip the One S. Its pricing won't be near the entry-level Xbox One consoles, it's a different league.

Xbox 360 owners would likely benefit from buying the Xbox One S. After all, if you are still okay with gaming on the 360 in 2016, you are likely not going to be the first in line to go for the most extreme version on day one in 2017.

What about PC gamers? Well, your situation is unique. For some, gaming on a PC will never be the same as using a console in your living room so Microsoft has a lot of work to do to convince you otherwise. If, however, you always wanted a console with the power of a spec'd out PC, you may finally get that chance in late 2017.

Just remember, Project Scorpio is mostly undefined at this point. We don't know what it will look like, what it will cost, and its full capabilities. We do know that in order to hit 4K gaming at 60 FPS and handle VR it will have to pack some serious, and seriously expensive, hardware. That's it.

For now, let's just wait and see.

What are you Xbox plans and rationale for them? Let us know in comments!

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Daniel Rubino

Daniel Rubino is the Editor-in-chief of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft since 2007 when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, laptops, next-gen computing, and for some reason, watches. Before all this tech stuff, he worked on a Ph.D. in linguistics, watched people sleep (for medical purposes!), and ran the projectors at movie theaters because it was fun.

  • I might get Scorpio, depends on whether I have a 4k TV by then.
  • In a year and a half, I'll definitely have a 4k TV. I may do a XBox One S, and then look to trade up to Scorpio next fall. Hopefully, they have ok trade-in program's. :)
  • Confirmed to be a 4K Blu-Ray player? That's pretty awesome then Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Yes, confirmed. Was in the press release:
    "Stream 4K video on Netflix and Amazon Video, and watch UHD Blu-ray™ movies in stunning 4K Ultra HD. Includes the newly streamlined Xbox Wireless Controller."
  • The cheapest UHD BD player we can get in Sweden now is like 70% more than an XBOS, so this is a great deal for videophiles. ☺ Från min Lumia 1520
  • Except the blu-ray capabilities of the current One (and PS4 for that matter) pale in comparison even to a basic Blu-ray player, I doubt this will be any different. Videophiles should give this a wide berth if history repeats itself.
  • Pale how in terms of picture quality? Från min Lumia 1520
  • Not necessarily. Here're two things the XBone player can't do that a normal Blu-Ray player or the player on the PlayStation 3 (and I assume, 4) can, off the top of my head: - read "home made" blu-rays. You filmed your vacations in glorious 4K and burned the film on a BD disc? Forget playing it on the XBone. - So you bought the latest Blu-Ray set of Game of Thrones. You decide to watch it in "season mode".But in the middle of the viewing, you have to go out. You turn off your console. You come back home. Want to resume from where you left? You can't do it on the XBone. It doesn't recognise resume playing options.
  • I have never tried #1. But you are absolutely, unequivocally wrong about #2. I watched GOT a couple weeks ago, would stop mid way through, go back and pick up where I left off. Watched Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles, weas able to resume playback with that, too. In fact, I ejected the disk, watched another movie, reinserted the disk and was asked if I wanted to continue. BTW, they may have fixed it, but what you say about the PS3 is not necessarily true. I had the original PS3 60GB. On some disks if you wanted to stop a movie and have it resume you had to hit the green button to book mark and then press the yellow button to display bookmarks. For other disks you had to press the stop button then you could eject but if you just hit eject it would lose you spot. They may have fixed that, I stopped using my PS3 for a movie player when it broke after a year of only being used for the occasional movie.
  • I am absolutely not wrong about #2 either because I have had that problem with several series and movies. Actually, I don't recall a single one where that worked though I think a couple (very few) did. If you turn off the console, it definitely doesn't resume anymore. So we have conflicting experiences. "I had the original PS3 60GB." Well, I have the last one, the PS3 Slim (? I think that's the name). None of those problems you mentioned are present on that PS3. So they clearly fixed it. And they might have fixed the blu-ray player on the XBoneS too. I don't know. I surely hope so, although I think it's probably more of a problem with the app than anything else.
  • It resumes for me even after powering cycling it several times. The reason I know is we sat down to watch a with the kids that we haven't watched in about a year and it picked up right where the kids left off. The reason I remember that so well is because I was shocked that it remembered. You seem to have lots of problems with Microsoft stuff. Kind of makes a person wonder...
  •   When I am wrong, I am wrong and willing to admit to it. However, I was wrong in a way that you will not like. I put GOT season 5, disk 3 in my XB1. Skipped ahead to about the 10 minute mark. Ejected the disk, put it back in, and it played from the start. No auto resume. I took the disk out, put it in my shiny new Samsung, UHD blu-Ray player, repeated, and no auto play. Took the disk out, repeated the process on my PS4, same result, no auto play.  So then I tried with a different series, The Walking Dead, season 4, disk 1. Advanced to the second chapter, ejected the disk, inserted it, and it popped up asking if I wanted to resume playback. I hit yes, and it started playing where it left off.  If I recall, the Blu-Ray spec allows the disk to control if resume can work. It appears GOT does not allow it. Other disks, where it is offered does work. So the XB1 is doing exactly as it should, just like the Samsung player, just like the PS4. I watched THD and GOT back to back, and that is where I got them mixed up, but you were not correct, either, just blaming the XB1 when it is doing what it should, just like the other players. But I was correct in that the XB1 does support it, when it should.
  • Well, then the only possibility is there's some difference between the European Xbox and the American one (be it on the Xbox hardware or its ability to read Region B titles). Because I've tried with several series (GoT, House of Cards, The Musketeers, Black Sails, American Horror Story) and none of them resumed. The fact is: my Xbox doesn't resume Blu-Ray discs. Why, I don't know. It plays them fine. Does everything else just fine. But doesn't resume.
  • Thanks for checking on that. I, too, was wondering whether it worked or not as it seemed to be inconsistent. Now I know it is, stupidly, intended to be inconsistent.
  • I watch a lot of Blu-ray discs on my Xbox One via my Netflix Blu-ray subscription. On February 10th, 2014, I watched the movie "The Words" and returned it on February 18th, 2014. I decided to watch it again and ordered it via Netflix. It arrived on June 7th, 2016. When I inserted the disc last Saturday, I was given an option to restart or resume the title. Out of curiosity, I resumed and it started in the middle of the movie credits. I stopped it and restarted from beginning. So yes, the Xbox One does support resume and yes, its been powered off, restarted, updated several times since February 2014.
  • Mostly lip sync issues.
  • I have seen the occasional lip sync problem. Usually if you hit the stop button then hit play it fixes its self. (and also is counter to Android boy's insistence that resume playback doesn't work)
  • I have an UHD Blu-ray player (Samsung) and a 4K TV. The player is very buggy. This weekend I had to completely shut down the entire system by unplugging the surge supressor because it kept pausing its self. Play 4 seconds, pause. Hit play, play 4 seconds, pause. There are the occasional 2-3 seconds where the screen goes black. And you think the media remote for the XB1 is bad, the remote for this thing is horrible. No separate chapter navigation buttons and scan forward/back, no skip back/forward 15 seconds buttons. Two buttons, and it all depends on how long you hold it down. You could use the remote from the TV (Samsung KS9000) since everything is "smart" (which makes everything a pain in the ass), but the remote on the TV is two buttons. And they both follow Apple's keep making it smaller. The entire up/down/left/right/select button is smaller than my thumb, meaning it is impossible to navigate using the remote. The picture is absolutely amazing, some of the scenes from the Revenant (horrible story, great visuals) are absolutely jaw-dropping so it is worth it. Trust me, if the XB1S UHD Blu-ray software is as good as it is now, it will be far ahead of the standalone players.
  • I'll just disagree with you about the Revenant; I liked it.  It was a bit too pretentious, for a straight ahead revenge story, but Dicaprio and Tom Hardy were fantastic in it.
  • I think that was the problem, too pretentious. I think for revenge stories, True Grit from a couple years ago was far better. You could tell that Revenenant was going more for the art house style of movie, and it just didn't click for me.
  • There is no visual quality differnce between them. Videophile sites have done reviews and said the consoles play Blu rays just as good. Your spouting a bunch of FUD.
  • Roku 4
  • I will certainly buy one just because of that alone. Excited!
  • Ill just buy both and my son can have my s after i collect my Scorpio
  • gaming with you for close over 15 years i cant wait to get this and it will work with my rift thats a plus plus for me   
  • Bought my Xbox One Elite bundle not too long ago. Wouldn't want to spend $300 on another one which basically have almost the same gaming performance. Never used my Xbox for video streaming/playing or anything other than gaming. So one answer from me- Project Scorpio to go!
  • Already have the current ONE in the living room, at $299 might toss in the money to get the S for the bedroom to stream Netflix/prime play the occasional game. Very doubtful I will bother with the Scorpio as I don't drop that kind of money as it is for gaming. My XBox usage is almost entirely media consumption and the S should fit that bill.
  • Simple. People who wanted a smaller and slimmer Xbox One, got their wish. You don't have to buy the $400 version, the device retails at $299 and a lot of people already have eternal drives which can be faster and certainly are more convenient. And the S is available almost immediately. The Scorpio on the other hand is a different case. It won't be slim, it won't be small. The S won't lose its value. It will still serve the main purposes the people will have bought it for. The Scorpio releases in one and a half year and that's the real upgrade to the X1. And if people want that, they have time to save money. Until then, the S is a terrific little thing and it will do fine. But even after the Scorpio, it will still serve a purpose. The Scorpio won't necessarily cancel out everything before it.
  • I think even more simple is: If you have the money and are hardcore, buy the Scorpio. If you don't have the money, and are more casual, buy the S. I think the S and Scorpio are Microsoft attempting to widen their appeal.
  • The Scorpio will be available one and a half year from now. Plenty of time to save money for it. People who want an Xbox now, won't wait that long for it.
  • Ah, impatient people. They're why I list items on eBay with Buy-It-Now prices higher than I expect to ever have an aution end with.
  • I honestly think Microsoft made it a point to mention it now for that reason. The good thing is, according to Phil Spencer, the games will scale up. He said all games would work with all Xboxes, just with different capabilities.
  • A lot of the negativity surrounding Scorpio are from console only gamers. If you game on a PC this is nothing new. Pc games have always functioned across many different configurations and GPUs. I suspected this would happen as soon as I heard the Xbox One was going with X86 architecture. Think of the Xbox One S as a PC running a GTX 950 and Scorpion a PC running a GTX 1070. I don't see this as a big deal. I do wonder if Scorpion will continue to use esram though as that seemed to be the biggest issue with programming for the Xbox One that developers criticized. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Yeah, you would really hope they address the esram issue, as that is a well-known complaint. My guess is Scorpio will be very much a PC that just boots into the Xbox One "OS" and that also means upgradable hardware. There's a reason why it said "Beyond Generations" on stage, as this device is meant to get rid of the "console generation" wars.
  • that idea kills consoles as they are now. WHY do we need consoles if I can have a PC customized by MY OWN NEEDS??? Console games have one very strong point = you can play everything on "max" settings no matter what happens BUT if you delete this advantage and ADD hw changes than the whole console idea will be dead.. it will be just about exclusive game titles but thats not even true on the Xbox because the cross buy platform... so why would I buy a Xbox?
  • Don't.  Buy a pc.  People need to get over the concept that Xbox is just another Windows 10 tentacle of the same octopus.
  • No one buys consoles to play everything on "max" settings. People buy consoles to play everything without hassle.
  • There are millions of possible PC configurations. With the Scorpio it will be more like a Apple kind of approach with only specific hardware and available upgrades. I think. Easier for gaming studios and MS to troubleshoot for only one device configuration. Consoles are about convenience after all.
  • No. Consoles don't play things at max settings. And Microsoft has mentioned clearly that Scorpio will still be part of the Xbox One generation and all games will run on all threw Xbox ones. Just at different settings, based on what the console supports. It will all be very seamless and still has the convenience of a console. 
  • I don't get why anyone would be negative about it. XOne will have a full console cycle, and on TOP of that it will continue to support future games. And even better, Scorpio will not launch with no games. I see no negatives.
  • I also wonder what GPUs Microsoft will be using. All reports say AMD/ATI is a mess right now. Nvidias new GPUs are quite impressive and use less power. Could Microsoft be switching? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android Oops: Just saw it will be AMD not Nvidia.
  • Million dollar question right there. Will be awhile until we find out. I'm still betting on Nvidia.
  • No, I guess it will be AMD. They released a statement saying they were providing tech for both. Surprised me a little. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Yeah, more I think about it AMD does have the better performance vs. price strategy that would work in favor of Microsoft keeping the Scorpio price lower.
  • AMD would seem to make the most sense. They come in at a lower cost, and it keeps the development side of things simpler as they can target a single vendor's drivers and only have to worry about relative performance. If the game developers had to target multiple architectures (NV/AMD) it would only make matters worse. Plus, Microsoft would then have to work with both vendors to maintain releases/stability. Easier to focus on one, plus you'll get better pricing through large quantity purchases.
  • Where did you find that it will have AMD?
  • Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I have no experience with that site. Is it seen as reliable?  
  • Very, they have been around for years. That is a definite "goto"site for PC gamers. I've been on the site for over a decade. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Nvidia can't provide a CPU+GPU combo, making things more expensive. The new AMD cards are also quite power efficient (2 RX480 performed better and used less energy than 1 GTX1080, according to AMD).
  • Scorpio for me. I'm all in. Just save about $60 a month.
  • Now Microsoft needs to release a gaming laptop Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Neither. The Xbox One S would have had me if it had the promised DVR capabilities. PS4 Neo This year is your best bet. The One S is dead on arrival. PS4 stil better.
    Xbox 1.5 will be too latw to the game. PS4.5 will beat them to the market by a year.
    I do not have either system but I am in the market to buy a system this Christmas. I had the original Xbox, then had a PS3. Now it looks like Sony will get my money again. It's a shame, I really wanted to get the Xbox because of the OTA HD PVR. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I can't buy Sony PS4 games and play them on PC, so that's no-deal for me at all.
  •   Actually you can play PS4 games but its via streaming, I play on my Win10/8 devices and think they have a Mac client as well.  I believe there is an Android app as well for Android devices, I further stream to the PS Vita.  Yes, natively you can't run PS4 games on Win10, but of course, you can't run Win10 games at all on PS4, although I wouldn't be surprised if Sony starts including Win10 games as part of PS Now.  At this point, if you are buying Xbox products, you are actually buying Win10 products, Xbox for the most part is not going to exist.... you are investing in the MS UWP store and Windows.    MS no longer cares if someone buys hardware from them, why?  Well, they lose money on each sold product, they just want you using their store.    
  • you HAD the original xbox? LOL  It was a last minute console in that console cycle years.  the 360 outshined the ps3 last generation, easily.  you sound more like a bitter consumer and intended on getting a ps4 anyway, so no ones gonna stroke ur ego for getting one.  we have enough fans for the xbox.
  • "the 360 outshined the ps3 last generation, easily" Unless you were an action or RPG fan, or if you go by lifetime sales, of course. But sure, tell someone else who he is as biased while flashing it at the same time.
  • Ah, good idea getting one during Christmas. The PS4 should work wonderfully as a handwarmer for you.
  • Think your missing the point. The point is lack of added features that matter, or make them different\better.
    Danny had an appropriate response with the xbox and PC game sharing feature. That is a good feature, but it does not apply to me. Not a PC gamer, but that would be awesome if I was. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I got a ps4 what's wrong with it?
  • VR still isn't a mainstream thing. Gamers have to buy the new console plus the VR headset. Easily another thousand dollar investment. Most are just interested in the console.
  • I'm in...
  • What a silly question. Should you buy now or wait 18 months for something else. Really??? And after that will be something else. Come on.
  • Yes, really.
  • That's funny. :o) I guess I'll wait for the MS Band 14. There was a time when I asked myself the same question. Then boom right between the eyes. If I'm OK with the price and features buy it now and enjoy it instead of waiting for the next big thing. there will always be the next big thing.
  • You're being completely ignorant because the console market isn't an annualized thing, and the whole thing is very atypical within its own market, even. Waiting the extra year means a higher-powered console with more capabilities on multiple levels. Going now means paying for streamlined tech from 2011, which is what the PS4 and XB1 were built off of (when they launcched in 2013). The sarcastic junk you threw out just comes off as misinformed and trying to joke to hide it.
  • This comment is confusing: 
    "Sure, Microsoft will take your money to upgrade your perfectly fine Xbox One, but I do not think they are expecting you to be the primary audience.​" Is it confirmed that we can exchange our xbox ones to xbox One S?
  • No, sorry, that is not what I was implying or stating.
  • i read that wrong, my bad.  i hope microsoft does a trade in program.   i dont think they ever did it with xboxes in the past, just Surfaces from dufferent generations.  THey did it with  360's for xbox ones, but i dont think theyll do it for current xboxes
  • Wait, does the Xbox One S do HDMI Pass-Through for Set top box TV viewing through the Console?
  • I'd be shocked if that is missing. Update: It does have HDMI pass through, as expected. No worries there.
  • "The GTX 1070 retails for around $600 (the faster GTX 1080 can do nine teraflops for about $800)"...wrong! GTX 1070 starts at $379...Founder's Edition is $449 GTX 1080 starts at $599...Founder's Edition is $699
  • And some 1080 cards go for $900. I wasn't taking the lowest price point but rather something closer to in between. Just like some 1070 cards go for $700. My more general point is that high-end graphics cards cost more than an Xbox One does in its entirety. That still stands even with your prices and reinforces the idea that Scorpio won't be cheap once you factor in RAM, storage, CPU, components, and 4K Bu-ray drive.
  • True, but that's not MSRP. The only people selling cards at those prices are third party scalpers looking for somebody desperate enough to pay those prices due to low supply. The products sold and coming directly from retailers and e-tailers (such as Amazon, Newegg, Microcenter, and Bestbuy) sell them at MSRP (I know I checked). This situation is no different than any other hard to find product like phones, shoes, first released consoles, heck...even food. I still feel the info is misleading.
  • Oh, it totally is. This article, on the Scorpio side, is really poorly sourced and written. Part of that is probably trying to get something written during a convention, and not properly researching. How Daniel thought using price-gouged numbers while supplies aren't plentiful for something that'll be out in a year is confusing.
  • Oh my God, we are assuming here about a console not released in 18 months, with literally no information behind (other than the magical 6 teraflops and 4K), Daniel tried to give some general ideas and concerns (mostly about the price of the console) and you are complaining the article is "poorly sourced"? The message for me is clear - Xbox One S for newcomers or Xbox 360 players, Scorpio for enthusiasts or people who want the most power. But watch out, it is gonna be expensive as hell. I guess the article made its point very well.
  • Except it did quite a poor job. Daniel said himself he was using the third-party market during a supply shortage to take stabs at the GPU pricing, which doesn't make any sense when the parts are going through that market to MS. He's calling a sub-$400 GPU a $600 one because resellers are price gouging while Nvidia isn't able to meet demand. I'm pretty sure giving no actual sources to the numbers, then having basic logic holes on the way to guessing at a number, is the exact meaning behind "poorly sourced." Defend him if you want, but that really makes no sense. I bothered to take 5-10 minutes to go through a theoretical parts option that countered his "$1,000+" guess, and you're bothering to talk down to me for being disappointed that the writer couldn't do that little bit of legwork himself? Come on, don't kid yourself. You're just defending it because it's Daniel, not because the reporting was well-done.
  • As I have stated, the article made a clear point for me (and no, I really don't care about $600 or $400 as long as it is not $2,000 to $400 - the point was not the exact amout but the general message). Agree or disagree, that is just your right. :-) I have no desire to discuss this any more.
  • I've seen pretty much no place selling the cards at MSRP, nor do I expect them to for many months (not until they can get enough production). The FE prices are closer to the actual truth. Still different from the numbers Daniel had.
  • They are probably going to use custom version of 200$ AMD RX480 which has close to 6 teraflops. I don't think they will make scorpio really expensive (obviously more expensive than xbox1s but not that much more).
  • Agree. I'm thinking $599
  • Given that it will be over a year from now, I'm thinking $499.
  • I'll definitly go with Scorpio since i think (better say "hope")that this launch will be so special that'll launch that bundle with an Elite Controller and maybe... at that point... with an Oculus Rift. I don't know why, but since last years E3 had people wishing XBone to be able handling Mouse and Keyboards at the same time. With this newly Project, Spencer & co will make it happen, be it cabled or wireless. Bottom line is that I also think that the price tag will on the one hand at least start at 600 700€ and rising, but on the other hand will still be a good price point in relation to what they offer. But I'm asking myself what Sony will bring to the table now that they know which direction Microsoft is heading for next year, since Spencers' quote was something like "The most powerful console ever" NOT "The most powerful Xbox ever"... so, let's wait and see...
  • C'mon dan, get your facts together, gtx1080 alone is 9 teraflops-TODAY- plus 1070 and 1080 retail for about 350 and 600 respectively
  • I mention the 9 teraflops TODAY for the 1080. Pricing I took the middle price point of those cards, not the lowest.
  • they shouldve made this digital only, so we can slowly kill physical media or buy the first xbox one.
  • What if I told you some of us rather have discs than digital files? I can't resell a digital file easily. I can resell a game on disc. Now get off my lawn!
  • Yeah, because having the overpriced Xbox Store will get better when physical games are out of the way... They'll never have sales worth mentioning (not that the Xbox Store ever does as it is), and they could just make all games be $75 and require the Season Pass.
  • Scorpio announced now seems very high end but next year will be more on the mid range. I have friends wasting almost $1000 for the gtx 1080 and next year they'll waste $1000 more for the latest gpu and it makes no sense buying a $1000 console and buy a $1000 gpu just to upgrade the console. That's just my thoughts. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Honestly, I don't get how people spend so much on GPUs each year. Lots of times it's not just upgrading GPUs, but also buying a CPU and motherboard that can handle the new GPU, along with the occasional need for other addons like liquid cooling. For me, I would literally have to build a new desktop to get the 1070 or 1080.
  • It just depends on what you really value. I was a hardcore PC gamer. I loved building and constantly tinkering. However there were always issues with configurations, video card drivers, game patches etc. Steam and Origin has helped a lot in that regard but it still is not as easy as turning on your console where you are instantly online, everything is patched and updated, and it's easy to play with your friends. I miss PC gaming just not the effort involved in it. Scorpio to me is for us old PC gamers who don't want to go back to PC gaming. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Main reason why I always buy consoles, pay $400 $500 and play great games for 6 to 10 years. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Im not going to upgrade to an Xbox one S,
    I would like one of course, but wouldn't buy one. 1. Already have an external 2tb so the extra space doesn't matter 2. Don't really need 4k streaming on xbox as my 4k Samsung tv already has apps and can already do that. 3. I have kinect and like the fact it can be plugged in directly. 4. Im not going to re-buy all my blu-rays in 4k ultra blu-ray, so i doubt I will use the 4k blu-ray functionality.
  • waiting for scorpio
  • I will definitely be getting one. I figure may as well go with the 2TB version. That stand alone will probably cost around 25 dollars and I could just download all Games with Gold to the HDD for easy access. Just hope the Xbox itself has Bluetooth capability for my Headphones. Looking forward to it.
  • I want an s since I hate the size of the x1 but not if Scorpio is out next year.
  • "Then again, if 4K Blu-ray is your thing consider this: Samsung's new 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player retails for $399.99 and it does not even do "Xbox things". If you were considering a 4K Blu-Ray player, why not just jump for the Xbox One S and get a lot more bang out of your buck?"   I'm amongst those to whom the 4K Blu-Ray player is actually a big deal. HOWEVER, I'm not torn between the XBoneS and a 4K Blu-Ray player (which I wouldn't buy from Samsung anyway :P). Since the PlayStation 2 that I've bought consoles instead of dedicated players (DVD for the PS2, Blu-Ray for the PS3/XBone). Given the price of the 2TB XBoneS, I see no justification to buy it. And for the 4K alone, the question I ask myself is: why not wait for the PS4K instead?   While Project Scorpio may be nice for people who looooooove gaming, I'm way too old for that. And if I wanted to waste thousands of euros for gaming, I'd still rather build a gaming PC. The "problem" is: Sony's PS4K will be offering more than the XBoneS offers for probably a not much higher price.   So with the XBoneS being priced unreasonably for an XBone owner (and since Microsoft in Europe doesn't offer trade-in's...or anything else, for that matter), if the PS4K offers me the same 4K Blu-Ray capabilities as the XBoneS, it's more logic to buy the PS4K over the XBoneS. I get a new console with other games AND the capability while keeping the XBone as well instead of ending up with two Xboxes (does Microsoft allow us to pluralise?) that play the exact same games, have the same storage and do the exact same things except one plays 4K video and the other doesn't.
  • I think if I can get a tried and true bundle by MSFT configuring the hardware on a tried OS, then I might be in for a Scorpio. I don't game on my PC anymore but part of me wants to upgrade my PC as the gap narrows. Albeit expensive, you're going to pay a slight convenience fee for 4K, 60FPS gaming. I'm intrigued, that's for sure. I will definitely be following the updates. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I think the Scorpio may use a modified AMD RX 480 or a Polaris 10 based GPU. Standard RX 480 is a $199 GPU that has over 5 TFLOPS of compute capacity and a memory bandwidth of 256 GB/s while the Scorpio has 320 GB/s memory bandwidth. Would help keep the cost of the console down compared to using an NVidia GPU.
  • I hate to be "that" guy but the prices stated in this article for the 1070 and 1080 are not factual 1070 is $450.00 usd and the 1080 is $650.00 usd. Just saying.....
  • Right, the lowest ones. Some go much higher too e.g. $900. I took something in the middle. Besides, all those prices will be out of date soon enough.
  • Wow how many times do you have to repete yourself, do they not read. Anyway thanks for the great info.  
  • Of course, his repeated statement is "I used third-party markets that aren't at all indicative of economics to source numbers that don't really make eny sense." The things are higher-priced while supplies are limited; it's not something that will exist in a month or two. That's also not a kind of thing that would happen to MS, a shortage of GPUs. They'll get the supply they order, and at a consistent, reasonable price. Dan's middle-of-the-road number is useless because the low-end, which is true MSRP, is still above what MS would pay for the parts.
  • Ah, I'm just an old school gamer who doesn't have any interest in either of these.  So I'll just wait it out until I find something other than FPS that are worth buying a system for. :)
  • Regarding the streamlined controller, I saw somewhere that it had bluetooth (as well as normal XB1 wireless?) If this is the case, is it instead of the existing wireless technology or is it so you can use on a PC, is BT now the preferred technology for connecting the controller? I would love a new controller that works with my Surface Book without a USB wireless adapter. I will buy the S just to get this controller (I know I could also buy one separately) so that I can pair with both console and PC without clunky adapters or wires.
  • It does have Bluetooth, that is correct. It's so you can use it with other devices, but I am not certain if it replaces the existing system or is just an option. We'll find out if it works with PCs over BT, could be interesting.
  • Working with PCs with BT makes complete sense with the concept of "Play Anywhere" games. It will make future mixed console/PC gaming seamless. I know it could be done already, but BT allows it without adapters. I really hope that is what it is. I also hope that multi-player FPS cross over games are able to be filtered by what type of control device you are using (consoles and PCs with controller) vs PC with keyboard/mouse. That would be pretty easy to implement.
  • If they make it both, I would love 2 buttons, so you can sync with a console AND a PC (keep 2 profiles on one controler). I hated having the 360 controller on the PC, as I would need to sync it to the PC wireless adapter, and if I wanted to use it on the 360, I had to re-do it.  It's fine if you keep a controler always at the PC and have one for the console but, I kept one and had to do that all the time. The longer range is a big deal, Xbox one controller suck compared to the 360 ones as range goes..
  • It says it has Xbox wireless and Bluetooth, so it will be using the normal WiFi tech to connect to the console, but then has Bluetooth to use with your pc or phone. Essentially makes the pc dongle irrelevant.
  • Not sure what to make of this. If I'm going to spend that much I would rather build a pc. To what extent is it going to be upgradeable? Are they going to sell different configurations?
  • I have Xbox 360, which I will through in trash before I return to US in December.... Hoping for good deals around Christmas!
  • If you have a one you don't need the upgrade. If you don't then get the slim.
  • PRoject Scorpio will probably not use Nvidia. I'm almost positive it'll use an AMD Radeon card due to cost. AMD has come out with powerful cards at an affordable price.
  • I'm sure that they'll use the new AMD RX 480 GPU (or something a bit better since RX 480 has 5T and Scorpio has 6T) that costs right now U$200. So, in a year the chip will cost less, plus, they build the CPU and GPU on the same die, which drives down the cost even more.  No reason to panic for the price Scorpio.
  • If project Scorpio is coming in 2017, it'll most likely have AMD graphics in it. It'll probably be a custom SoC with a Zen based processor and updated Polaris graphics.
  • now that I think about it, AMD's RX 480 "affordable VR gpu" fits perfectly here, its 6.5 teraflops and starts at 200$
  • Interesting point although I think they put the specs at "just over 5 teraflops" and not quite 6.5. Still, I see the point of why an AMD option may be the choice here.
  • I'll opt for a shiny new 1080 video card!!  My 6 year old setup is still plenty powerful, even with just a GTX970 I run 4k games all day long, I can't even begin to imagine how nice an upgrade to a 1080 will be.  The other internals can stay and don't really affect performance anywhere near as much as the GPU does. 
  • I just hope scorpion is small too
  • It won't be. It will definitely need good ventilation.
  • It will need good ventilation, but I doubt it will be as big as XOne. (AMD's RX480 peaks at around 150W, with an estimated TDP of 90W, in an APU the TDP would most likely be around 150W, less than most high end GPUs)
  • Scorpio is hardly going to be as expensive as you are making out Dan. Trust me
  • I certainly could be wrong and can see that being the case. My larger point is that Scorpio won't be the same price. Even if it's $600 that is still 2x the cost and changes the buyer/purchasers dynamic for many.
  • >Should you buy the Xbox One S or wait for Project Scorpio? SO, the big question... I have a higher end 4K TV. I want 4K Bluray player, I have been watching them, The cheapest one is $400, so, if the Xbox One S comes with a 4K UHD blu-ray drive and it does play the disks, then I will buy one ($299 with a 4K blu-ray player, I will be all over it). This would be steal, just for a 4K blu-ray player alone. As for the Project Scorpio, it's not coming out till next year. All depending on the cost. Remember when the PS3 came out at $699 ? Do you remember the outrage for that console ?  A console needs to be under $500 to be accepted by most consumers. Now, I am a Console and PC gamer, I have researched the cost of building a 4K gaming machine and it's not cheep to build a PC that can play all games at 4K on MAX settings.  Your talking 2 to 3 $600 video cards alone, never mind your RAM, CPU, huge power supply and motherboard to support it all, even for the home builder, your talking $1500-2500, or a pre-built one around $3000-5000 (top end gaming specs). It's all going to come down to the price point for it. In a year, Video cards that can do 4K will lower in price, so it should bring the costs down by the time it's released. $1000 for a gaming console, a little much in my eyes, it wont be a hot seller due to the costs sad to say.  It's a maybe for me, I need to be wowed to spend that kind of money on a console. Time will tell but, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
  • Great article, but the answer is pretty simple. One of the two has "project" in its name, obviously it's going to be a long time before there's more info about it, let alone being able to buy it...
  • What would be interesting is if next year they release Scorpio but also start annual or biannual updates to the S. This would be a similar model to how the Surface line runs. Would allow people to purchase PC gaming quality or casual gaming quality that would be good for several years.
  • I really don't like any of what is being said about Scorpio here. It just seems like it's throwing darts and making guesses that aren't thought through too well. I'm not even sure what kind of horsepower it'll ACTUALLY have. With the whole "6 TFLOPs" thing, we heard the announcement video refer to that number as both the GPU and the SoC numbers. The number MIGHT be the power of the GPU, but it also might be the power of the entire system. I find the Scorpio comparison to also be something of an unjustified assumption. The ASUS PC referenced is a 16-GB machine, while the console likely stays at 8 GB (but DDR4 or GDDR5). The PC has a 256-GB SSD in it, an unlikely inclusion in Scorpio. It's got an i7, while, I'd expect the mid-range CPU from AMD's Zen line inside. The GPU will also not be a full-on card, and the tech to hit its performance numbers will have dropped. The $200 480X probably isn't far from the needs of Scorpio, so a GPU at $200 or less inside the Scorprio is quite possible. Just to compare, I lazily threw together a build on PC Part Picker. I gave it an i5-6600K, an R9 390X (which tested to the GTX 980), 8 GB of DDR4, a 1-TB HDD, and a Blu-Ray drive. The whole thing totaled about $870. Now, things to consider with that include: --The 390X's predecessor, the 290X, is about $100 cheaper. So, when it's time for the SCorpio to release, the GPU cost could be $100 less. --Microsoft isn't going to pay retail prices. --Console makers don't make their profits from hardware, so don't expect parts markups for Scorpio to be on-par with those of buying the parts for a PC, like I demonstrated here. --We aren't buying things like a Windows license with a console, nor does MS have to pay for it (though the OEM for the PC does, a pricing that is passed on to the consumer). --We have no idea exactly how the console's going to be built. The SoC route (vs. dedicated CPU and GPU chips) could drop the costs a little. Not having to fetch parts from a bunch of hardware makers could lead to savings. As stated, MS won't pay retail prices, thanks to volume orders and various agreements. All told, I think $600 is a reasonable expectation. $1,000 would be laughed out the door, because what we're saying this console could do IN A YEAR can likely be replicated for $1,000 today, if you don't count things like a Windows license and peripherals (which you don't pay for in a console).
  • Unfortunately I purchased two halo edition xbox ones in December :/ and still have my original one. Still all under warranty for a few years with complete care... No upgrading. Just hope they dont make scorpio exclusive contents and games :(
  • With Play Anywhere I can just get a computer instead of an Xbox. I hope my surface pro 4 can hack it!
  • Big question-doesn't this destroy the market for the XBONE? I mean, why buy one if you can get a smaller cheaper version with Blu Ray? Unless XBONE prices drop lower than XBOneS prices, that would be interesting
  • No it is not. There is no reason to buy an xbox one anymore - the S is designed to replace.  There won't be any older version available for sale new, but I expect the used market to pick-up.
  • I see what you mean. I'd expect to see a fire sell of Xbox Ones then, think maybe it's finally rike to pick one up lol
  • One thing the Elite Controller taught MS is that there are plenty of people willing to spend money on top level gaming components. They are still in demand and I'm sure the console will be as well. Unfortunately, it will be 6months after Sony releases their version and unless MS can completely dominate Sony in terms of specs, they will continue to lose market share. 
  • What worries me is how will games optimized for high end machine like XBox One Scorpio will fare on XBox One and One S. In a bid for 4k gaming and VR, the industry has jumped ship on high power console which will also come at a price. Will it end the low end consoles market? Will people be comfortable after such a powerful machine debuts, that their 1.3 teraflops machine will run games just fine post 2017? Also, if people have to cough up more money, will they take console route or gaming PC route. Gaming PC will of course will always have easy upgradability and it will run full windows 10 with Win32 programs which XBox One Scorpio will presumably lack. Tho XBox One Scorpio will be cheaper than gaming PCs, considerably expensive than current generation consoles but cheaper than gaming PCs. I don't know we are diving into an uncharted category. It was an easier decision with current generation consoles where we knew that games will be optimized for consoles and consoles offered an economic solution to an otherwise expensive high end gaming PCs. High powered expensive consoles will muddle that line and only time will tell us what might be the better option for your average gamer. Meanwhile, XBox One S is a great option for someone who is looking to buy a current generation console for the first time and should offer considerable value for money until summer 2017 launch of XBox One Scorpio, for what it is worth.
  • My plan - Trade in my current XBOX One for the Xbox One S. My disc drive has been flaky as of late for my Xbox One... this will be a good trade up since it'll be an upgraded blu-ray 4k player. Depending on price - I'll still get the scorpio next year and relegate the One S to my downstairs TV for the kids...
  • So we'll have to fork out $1,000+ for Scorpio and $2,000+ for a Hololens potentially..... Although 2017 is going to be expsensive, 2016 is all about getting the right TV and sound system for Scorpio.... challenge accepted.
  • I'll still stick with the PC. My case has heavy duty casters on it, so I can wheel it out to the living room when I want to game or watch my media on the big screen. I've already done this with the new Doom for PC and it's amazing!
  • You have to remember, specs get cheaper all the time, and a year and a half is a pretty long time for prices to drop. Not to mention, Microsoft is not exactly paying retail for off the shelf hardware. The Scorpion will be expensive, but probably not nearly as expensive as it looks today.
  • Why don't they just make XBox an OS and allow you to bring your own hardware. Allow other companies to make consoles for them, just like Windows. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That's Xbox play anywhere... Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10 on my Lumia 950!
    Step off, haters! U-U
  • That is basically what is happening, Xbox in a traditional console sense is disappearing or being consumed by Windows 10 / MS UWP Store.  Your Xbox console OS is Windows 10 going forward, and the MS UWP Store is your Store going forward or in due course.   Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. are already selling Xbox consoles i.e. PCs.   You are investing in Windows and the MS UWP Store at this point and going forward.      
  • Im pulling out until Scorpio its actually done.
  • Solid plan, you're probably not ready for children yet, but that is hardly going to protect you from getting an STD... O.o Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10 on my Lumia 950!
    Step off, haters! U-U
  • This system wont be $800.  I doubt it will go past $500.  My bet is it will be between $400-$500.  A 6tf gpu is very possible for a console at that price in 2017.  AMD's 480 which is out soon is 5.5tf and for $200.  I will bet the Xbox One S will be $250 by Holiday 2017 and the Xbox Scorpio will be $399.  
  • It's an easy decision.  I don't know why Windows Central is making it hard.  If you do not have an XBOX One because you are turned-off by its size and large power supply and you want a slimmer one - then what are you waiting for?  This is it.  Project Scorpio takes a year before it arrives and anything can happen. 
  • Xbox One S has a more powerful GPU and CPU than the original Xbox One so games can take advantage of that, Gears of War 4 will have better framerate and look better on the S so it's a must buy for me :)
  • Yea Polygon ran a story on this. Wonder if Windows Central will pick it up?
  • I will wait!
  • I havent seen this mentioned anywhere yet but theres also a 1 Tb version of the One S for $350. Amazons taking preorders for it. Its a good in between for people who dont wont to spend $400 but want more than the 500 GB system.
  • If MS price Scorpio so that hardcore gamers are the only people that buy it, why would developers bother with such a small user base? Keep it under $500 and more will jump on board and the economies of sale will get the price down (just like Sony did with the initially expensive Cell architecture in the PS3) .
  • Xbox Scorpio won't be more than $500 max. I'm pretty sure of that. For me, I'll trade my current XB1 and a few games to get the $299 XB1S. It's a decent upgrade to have NOW. 4K streaming and an actual 4K Blu-ray drive is actually pretty huge, make no mistake. Also, Polygon confirmed that the XB1S will indeed have more raw power than the XB1. Not by much I guess but supposedly enough that Gears of War 4 will perform better on it. I already have a 5TB external drive that I'll just swap over. When next year comes I'll trade again for the Scorpio. Can't lose here.
  • Two points that's missed by this time next year Vega will be a year old and Zen will be on the market, what's powering the Scorpio is lilkely the new Zen APU probably based around HBM 2 RAM. AMD announced a few weeks ago that the Zen was now sampling and showcased HBM based APUs. Realistically the 480 is too slow, it's aimed at the 1440p entry level VR market so it has to be a Vega or a variant of that chip. It's designed for the high end VR/Gaming market and a direct competitor to nVidia's 1080/ Vega is due out sometime Q3 if I remember right. Now the 6 teraflops is underpowered for a high end card, which is the fly in the ointment as we don't know of any chips at the moment that fits that profile.    Here's AMD/RTG's roadmap you notice that Navi is due out roughly the same time:   However on the 29th the embargo lifts on the 4x0 series so we'll get a clearer idea of what's going on. However AMD has also said they've had design wins for the next year, and they are one the only company that now has a x86 licence and has the GPU chops to power consoles. The only other option would be to go with a Intel/AMD or Intel/nVidia both of which would be inefficient from a design and power perspective.
  • I will definitely buy Scorpio, but I need to see the price first because If I do, I will need the console, VR device and of course a 4K tv. If we sum all these I believe that they are too much money. As for the S If they have a trade in option I will do . It is much better device than the one we have already
  • Not like the APUs in console are off the self anyway, nor do would it use an RX480 directly. A custom Polaris card could easily hit 6TF (heck, overclocking the 480 would likely do it).
  • Aye, it's a custom SoC by AMD, so like-for-like comparisons are hard and there can be a lot of variables between now and then. Plus the 14nm/16nm meter process will be more mature so they could eke out more speed from that Hence why it's better wait until the NDA lifts on the 29th to get a better idea of what the 480 can do or even it's potential.
  • It always amazes me how many commenters only focus on a small piece of the Microsoft pie. To me this all makes perfect sense. A small upgrade to possibly entice 360 fence sitters of other casual gamers looking for a 4k BD device. The big reveal is the Scorpio, but we also know MS is involved with Occulus on VR. Why would MS piss off all thier gaming PC OEM's by releasing a competing "console" to early adopters. The VR scene, and 4k video for that matter, is in it's infancy the early adopters are going to shell out big bucks for devices that invariably have teething issues. If MS learned anything from the XBox One roll out debacle it should be consumers expect pretty bullet proof devices or they will vehemently express their displeasure.
  • I am waiting for Scorpio. I'll skip the slim because I love my Forza Xbox One. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • If they do a trade-in program where I can get a good amount for my original launch Xbox One, i'd probably upgrade to the S.
  • If Xbox One S has a 4K Blue Ray Player for $299, then what is the sense of buying a Samsung 4K Blue Ray Player for $399, for just the PLAYER!
  • I think Scorpio will target the Enthusiast/Hardcore gamer market with an incredible price point upwards of $600 US, as for casual gaming and whatever else the box offers the Slim is just fine.
  • I'm waiting for scorpio
  • I'll wait for Project Scorpio Slim.
  • here's some common sense from ars
  • Great post, Daniel. Nice overview on this this question. I think I'm going to stick to my Xbox One for now, I really like my current Kinect and TV HDMI pass-through setup.
  • Does anyone know if there will be a trade in program? Please help?
  • Okay, so here I am in the matter: If my current XB1 "fat" breaks, gets lost, or stolen, or some similar catastrophe befalls it, I won't replace it with another "fat" - I'll replace it with a "slim". However, as long as my "fat" is present and accounted for, and healthy, then I don't think I can justify the expense of plunking down on a "slim". It's super cool, has some nice upgrades, and definitely has a certain covet factor. But it's nowhere near different enough to justify the expense, and maybe not even the inconvenience of migrating all my stuff over, especially in the days of DLG, big GB games, and data caps on local WiFi options. Scorpio, on the other hand, is a completely different story! It will be a whole new console generation, and just as I have for every generation of gaming so far, yes, I'll absolutely aspire to the next generation of gaming. It may not be launch day - heck, it may not be launch year, but Lord willing, I'll eventually have one. :-) So no on slim unless something bad happens to fat, but yes on Scorpio! :-) Cheers!
  • Xbox Scorpio... with 8 core (intel compatible?) processor and 6 Tflops graphics, and the possibility to run Windows 10 (apps and applications)... couldn't that also serve as an "inexpensive" workstation? For scientific computations, etc.?
  • Like Spenser more or less said, if you want highest fidelity and have a 4k tv you will want a Scorpio. If you have an 1080p TV then you don't want a Scorpio. Now if you care about 1 exclusive game per year TOPS that is AAA and worth playing and buying you get a PS4!
  • I'm getting scorpio and I have a 1080p tv
  • I'm waiting for scorpio
  • I'll probably get a Project Scorpio next year but the only way I would get a One S is if something happened to my current One or I got a second residence.
  • It is worth mentioning that on stage it said "Beyond Generations" for a reason. Scorpio should have user-upgradeable hardware making it the one device to last a long time. The idea here is to get rid of hardware generations and let the user decide just like a real PC. That feature could be a huge selling point.
      It's also worth mentioning that...what's the point? Just buy a PC. Or, upgrade your PC. Isn't that exactly the same thing?
  • That's where I'm confused. Is MS trying to attract PC gamers? Also the whole upgrade process is going to have to be simplified for the average console user. What's to stop MS over charging for parts that would be much cheaper in a PC build?
  • Just to point out, Xbox Live might be a big part of PC gaming if Microsoft keeps puching the joining of the two parts. Buying PC hardware and playing on Xbox Live might be the norm at that time.
  • Supports 4K gaming at 60 FPS, This seems very unlikely
  • Project Scorpio wont be that expensive. MS never made money with selling consoles. They make money with Xbox Live Gold and the games. When the Xbox 360 came out they lost $200 with every console. Same goes for the release of the XboxOne. Yes Project Scorpio won't be cheap but way cheaper than a PC with the same specs in 2017. That's how consoles work. And btw Windows Central is talking about the prices of PC hardware for consumer. MS is not a consumer. They'll sell 20Million devices. For MS "a GTX 1070" wouldn't cost anythig near to $400.        
  • I am like many other gamers out there.... I am a casual gamer who plays a few times a month at best who tends to only use the gaming console for gaming only... I don't need any other features nor do I ever use a blueray player...   I presently have a 4GB Xbox 360 and am torn on what to do.... I used to play all the time and had a year gold membership, but I ended up having a horrible experince when Black Ops III came out where I would get booted out of 90% of the games or failed to join games. In an average hour I may play 2 or 3 full games and then experience severe lag or get booted. For that reason I gave up gaming and cancelled my membership... I decided to try out Xbox Live again 1 year later so I could play with my nephews and try to re-kindle the love I had for gaming. I decided to purchase a one month gold membership to see if I could play games online or if I would get booted again.   So far with this $10 one month trial it's going pretty well but the 4GB of memory on my Xbox 360 is not enough and I have to constantly re-download and transfer gaming content and updates onto a USB which takes a lot of time. Although the experince this month has been good for multiplayer I am still torn on what I want to do becuase after my experience with BO3 I ended up giving the game to my nephew so I have been playing Advanced Warfare which my nephew had given to me to try out for this month trial. I tend to always be purchase new technology months after it has already come to market and I'm not sure if I should purchase an Xbox One S or hold out until Project Scopio to see what that is all about.    Either way it will be a very expensive decision since you'll need to purchase the console, additional controllers and games, gold membership, controller charger, etc which will push you well over $500 or $600. I am also hesitant to purchase a new system becuase I don't want to waste all this money on this system and then encounter the same online gaming issues & frustrations that I encountered when Black Ops III came out for Xbox 360. Don't get me wrong I loved Black Ops III and I love the Microsoft Gaming Experience as opposed to the experince I had with my friends PS3 back in college. I used to play online all the time and met some awesome people who I played with all the time on Xbox 360 but all of a sudden I began encountering all these issues with booting and lag which in turn caused me to become so frustrated to the point where I hated gaming altogether.   I am very torn on what to do and am very hesitant to make any decisions based upon past experiences especially since more people are playing on the Xbox One compared to Xbox 360 which is probably the reason why I haven't had any issues thus far due to not as many people therefore less lag. I know the end is near for the Xbox 360 since they will no longer be making games for that console but I don't know if I should wait for new technology or purchase something fairly new (like the Xbox One S) where I would run the risk of being in the same position I was in when I bought the Xbox 360 when Microsoft releaed the Xbox One not long after.