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Stardock's CEO talks to us about the company's new Windows 10 Start menu, Start10

Windows 10 won't officially be launched until sometime later in 2015, but software developers are already working on applications that will expand on the features in Microsoft's next operating system. One of the most well known third party Windows app makers, Stardock, has just launched their first Windows 10 program, Start10. The app offers users a way to bring the classic Windows 7-based Start menu to Windows 10, along with a number of other features.

Microsoft decided to add a Start menu in Windows 10 after it received a number of complaints about the company's decison to remove that feature in Windows 8. Stardock was one of many company that released a Start menu replacement for that OS and it turned into a massive hit for the company. So why would Stardock launch a menu program for Windows 10? We got the company's founder and CEO Brad Wardell to answer these and other questions about Start10, including his own feelings on Windows 10 as a whole and some hints about what the company has planned for the future.

Firstly, how many paid Start8 licences has Stardock sold since it launched three years ago?

I can't tell you the exact number but the number is in the millions.

Did the success of Start8 surprise you and do you think its success helped the Microsoft Windows team to realize adding a real start menu to Windows 10 was a good idea?

Absolutely. When the first beta of Windows 8 came out, we assumed they would add the Start menu back in a later build. But it was driving us nuts in the meantime so we put together "Start8". When they didn't put it back, we polished it up and made it available to the general public.

Start10 for Windows 10 Modern UI

Some people might question the need for Start10 since Windows 10 will have a Start menu on the desktop. Why do you think people will need Start10 for Windows 10?

I was one of those people until I started using Windows 10 a lot.

The basic problem Microsoft faces is that they want their Start menu to be usable by both desktop users via a mouse as well as via touch. As a result, they give up a lot of the usability for people who are trying to do serious desktop work.

For example, the Windows 10 start menu items lack menus. So I can't just go to a file location. The search bar doesn't allow me to pin things to the start menu, I can't organize it the way I'd like (or standardize it for an enterprise customer). There's no jump list support, there's no realistic way to integrate multiple cloud document providers together because their Start menu is launch centric and not document centric like it's traditionally been.

Moreover, there's the issue succinctness. I don't benefit from having a bunch of large blocks thrown in my face when I just want to check what type of monitor a user has on their machine via "Documents and Printers" (which isn't even accessible from the Windows 10 start menu). The "All apps" link still doesn't support a real folder concept. The list goes on and on.

Mind you, it's better than having no Start menu at all. But it's important to remember that there are decades of user experience and refinement with the traditional Start menu.

What are the biggest features in Start10?

In the first build, it's really just an evolution of Start8. But as we go forward, we want to integrate a superset of what is in Windows 10 so that it can appeal to casual users, enterprise users and power users via various customization options.

Start10 configuration screen

What will the price be like for the program?

It'll be $4.99 on its own or part of Object Desktop which is $49.99 for our entire suite of desktop enhancements (Fences, Multiplicity, Start8, Launch8, Tiles, etc.)

Does Stardock have any more plans for Windows 10 specific applications and if so can you give us any hints about them?

We do. One of the most promising features of Windows 10 is its "multitasking" feature (I wish they weren't calling it that). Basically, it's an advanced form of virtual desktops. There's a lot of interesting things you can do with that. Another example is more people are getting High DPI displays. We're working on cool stuff to make sure users can make the most of that on Windows 10.

And of course, there's all the DirectX 12 stuff we've got going but that's another story.

What do you think of Windows 10 in terms of features and has Microsoft done a better job with developing the OS compared to Windows 8?

I think Microsoft has done a remarkable job on learning from the mistakes of Windows 8. There's a lot of important under the hood work that's gone into Windows 10 that I wish Microsoft would push more. For example, Windows 10 is much better at utilizing your CPU cores than previous versions of Windows. This matters not just because of raw performance but can have a significant impact on power usage. You are actually better off using 4 cores slightly than using 1 core strongly from a power and performance perspective.

What's going to be ironic is that for a lot of users, Windows 10 will "magically" allow your devices to have much better battery life and sadly, based on the marketing I've seen from Redmond, there will be little PR in explaining why this is.

Start10 Windows 7 Menu

Does Stardock have plans to release any programs directly from the Windows Store in Modern UI format in the future?

Only if the market makes that case really. I've seen the sales numbers for a lot of "popular" iOS apps some for Windows store apps and they're not very encouraging.

What I think is going to help a lot is a single version of Windows you will see the Store app and the desktop app APIs continue to integrate further. There are good things in WinRT. But I would like to see more features from WPF and .NET integrated into it and less emphasis on Javascript or other attempts to webify Windows apps.

Finally, what else can you tell us about Stardock's plans for Windows 10?

Our biggest endeavor for Windows 10 is going to be trying to create a single experience between Modern apps and Win32 apps. Users shouldn't care what underlying API is used. There should be a single look, feel, and functionality between them. I see our mission is to unify that experience so that the user never has to care what "type" of app it is. While power users, like your readers, can look at the title bar and behavior and go "Oh, that's a Windows store app", there shouldn't be trade offs for them, consumers, or enterprise users in what type of Windows app they use.

We would like to thank Brad for answering our questions. You can purchase and download the first version of Start10 at Stardock's website (opens in new tab).

139 Comments
  • Rainmeter + Stardock =
  • I love Rainmeter! I should look into stardock.
  • = Total loss of performance
  • Exactly
  • Windows 10 isn't at the RTM stage, this seems rather premature.
  • Not that surprising considering Start8 came out during the Windows 8 beta. The sooner it comes out, the sooner they can fix bugs and improve the product, before the real OS comes out.
  • Windows 10 is not going to change much from the trainwreck presented so far.  If they want to get W10 rleased in 2015, they will need to RTM in Aug, which means about five more month builds left. Not enough time to significantly turn it around. They have not yet responded to many User Voice requests. These StarDock menus represent the most effective evolved menu from Windows 7 for core desktop users.  Desktop users need deep menu structures to be fully productive. Microsoft are repeating the same Windows 8 mistake of imposing Metro on Desktop users, and desktop users on Tablets. Looks like we will have to wait for Windows 12 before Microsoft sorts their mess out.
  • How do you know any of what will change? We don't know how old 9926 is. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • 9926 took Microsoft six weeks, prior to release in mid Jan. So it does not need too much thought to work out their feature and backlog rate is nowhere near enough for any significant change before RTM in August. Remember how much Windows 7 UI changed in its nine months of consumer release , or Windows 8 ? Basically not much. Which is why the writing is already on the wall for Windows 10.
  • Seems you are arguing very hard in favor of this program, add to that the infomercial like twist to this article and it all starts to make sense.....
  • But reality is people still won't like the lack of a real start menu in W10 for desktop. So this looks like a good alternative
  • LOL I am defintely _not_ going to ask you for any investment tips Jules W. I am using Win10 all day at the moment, not sure which "train wreck" you are using, but its not the Win 10 I am using. Win 8 was not only a large leap for the UI, but it was also on the wrong clock cycle for Windows refreshes. Most firms paying the Entperise licensing (65%+ of the Windows revenue) were still rolling out 7 to kill of XP even up till early this year. Most are now looking at 8, but thinking hey we might as well wait for 10 as its so close. Win 10 also solves much of the training concerns of 8.  Couple that with Intel making great strides, Winows 10 will meet with pretty decent success especially as its being given away to most non payers for free in the first year. As has been the case for nearly 2 decade, people predict the failure of Windows or MS at their peril.
  • Hey look I love Metro on both my Lumia 925 and my Lumia 2520 devices, perfect sense and a superior UI for Touch devices. What I am arguning about is why Microsoft seems th think it is OK to compromise the desktop experiecne for all those billions of office users.  i get it that in here we are all 'fans' of Windows 8 and IWndow 10.  But to be so arrogant attitude on the Start Menu in  Windows 8 [None], Windows 8.1 [Star Button only] Windows 10 [Partial non nested menu] - It is still a compromise for Enterprise users.  Microsoft should be putting these guys out of business. But I look at it, and then its pretty obvious that what these guys have implemented wil be very effective, popular and better than all those User Design resources that Microsot could muster.   OK I get that we are all Microsoft fans here.  But Guys we need to stand back, take off our rose tinted spectacles, nd say that the Emperor has no Cloths.  Taking more than four yeras to get an effective Start Menu back for the 'normal users' is simply not good enough.
  • What the hell are you even talking about? Turning it around? They don't need to turn it around because Windows 10 has gotten near universal praise. As for Stardock, I'm not going to spend 5 bucks on that cluttered garbage they think people need. So Stardock can take a friggin' hike.
  • Haha, "trainwreck" -- you're hyperbole is assanine.
  • Nice try, but for the 'you're' ...
  • Stupid autocorrect.
  • @Adam good cover lmao
  • From what I understand they plan on releasing a build every month, so like you said that would be five or six more builds. They can change a LOT in each build with enough feedback from users, so its still possible that we can see the RTM change a lot from Windows 8(.1). Its much too early to tell how it will change right now, we're not even using the developer preview, its still tech previews.
  • Plus with Windows as a service things can change further after RTM
  • Looks like crap to me.. I'm all for the progress and Windows 10 is a promise of a progress and I like the way things are moving forward so no need to take a step back for me. No thank you Stardock
  • Options are good but I agree with you. I like the Windows 10 Start menu just fine.
  • I agree, but I also do like how Windows 7 (and Start10) allows you to open previous word documents from the start button, just from clicking an arrow. So if Microsoft could include that fuctionality back into the start button, it would make it that much better.
  • If you have word pinned to the task bar you can right-click it for this feature.  This is in Windows 8.
  • @Khensu, definitely true, but for me (not saying this is true for everyone, but shouldn't the point be the personalizabilty for different user preferences?) I only like to pin applications to my Taskbar that I am likely to have Open. That's fine for Word, Excel, Outlook, etc. that are almost constantly running with multiple documents open, but not so good for something I may use a lot, but only open briefly then close. I frequently pop open a Remote Desktop session and then close it after performing some small task, for instance. With the traditional Start menu, I can easily access all the RDP files for each system I may need to control. Awesome. On the other end of the spectrum (don't use that often), I also run Microsoft Project, Access, CorelDraw, and Corel PhotoPaint, but I may go several weeks without opening those. Nevertheless, when I do, I like being able to go directly to the document I'm after from the Start menu, not open the program, go to the recently opened files list (or browse) to get the file I'm after. Much faster from the traditional Start menu. What I really don't understand is why Microsoft isn't bringing this back themselves. It's not like those recent files or jump lists are impossible to include with the new Start menu. I hope they find a way to integrate these still. I'd rather not use a third party desktop modification app, but might if Microsoft leaves this out. (That said, on other systems, I'm running Windows 8, and have functioned fine without installing any Start menu mod, but I do grumble every time I have to go to the Start screen to open a desktop app and find that I do pin more apps to the Taskbar than I would under Windows 7. I resent that.)
  • The old build is this way.
  • All I want is Windows 8.1 Start Screen.  Exactly like 8.1.  Not that horrid thing that is currently being used in Windows 10.  If Microsoft doesn't fix the current Windows 10 Start Screen hopefully there will be some company that will actually make a version that looks like the current 8.1 Start Screen.  And then I'm there!
  • @Whodaboss There's nothing wrong with the Start Screen in the Windows 10 builds (aside from bugs of course), I think it looks nice. It could use a couple tweaks to look better, maybe when in full screen/tablet mode get rid of the "recent/all apps" lists and just access those from swiping to the left or right or something like you do in Windows Phone, and when in desktop mode return it to where its constantly visbile. But other than that I don't see what's so different from it compared to the 8.1 version
  • @Joshua I'm glad the current version of Windows 10 meets your requirements.  As for me, I never, ever, liked the Start Menu so I don't want it.  I love Windows 8.1.  If I never had to see a Start Menu again I would be forever happy.  But since I know any version of Windows will have a Start Menu I just want an option where I can use the Start Screen and disable the Start Menu.  And with the current look of the Start Screen, not that ugly thing currently in Windows 10.  And yes, I use Windows 8.1 on a laptop/desktop (with mouse and keyboard only and it's easy)/ and Surface Pro 3.  But we all like what we like.  And we all have our opinions on what we think is good.  I wish Microsoft would have left 8.1 alone.  But I didn't have a say.
  • Yeah I know what you mean. I liked the 8.1 Start Screen as well. I just hated how people were complaining about wanting a non touch friendly start menu back, like the one from Windows XP, and that was just ridiculous. I dont mind a Start Menu, but it has to be touch friendly, and at least somewhat different. So far Windows 10 is doing a good job at doing so, though it can still use some improvements. Hopefully they'll come up with a decent compromise that satisfies everybody. If they do go back to a start screen similar to that of 8.1 I wouldn't mind that at all, as I actually enjoyed using it more than the Start Menu
  • I personally like the stock W10 menu just fine..
    .........
    But, options are good.
  • Make an app so I can keep the old 8.1 start screen and I'm happy
  • Stardock, the only successful software company in Michigan...
  • Yes, because a mega long list of program shortcut icons is better than a tile of (live) icons on one screen. /s
  • Windows Phone has a hideously ugly Long Long Long Apps list. But Stardock is offering us nested menu system,, with folder nesting under user control. Not the basic and inflexible single level W10 menu.
  • Folder nesting in the start menu is antiquated. Everyone knows you should have been pinning to taskbar and using the jumplists and recent items from the taskbar buttons since windows 7. That's why I never missed the start menu in 8 because I learned to windows properly :P
  • For me, the Taskbar is for programs that are likely to be open (Word, Excel, Outlook are almost always open with multiple documents). By pinning those, I know they are always in the same location, so they are easy to find. I know little used applications will be on the right, because they're not pinned. The Start menu lets me launch other less ubiquitous programs and directly open the relevant document -- exactly like the Jump lists on the Taskbar, but for applications that don't merit inclusion on the Taskbar. This separation is helpful for me with dual 30" 2560x1600 screens. If I put all my applications on the Taskbar, I'd be much slower at switching between them, because there would be so many icons, I'd have to spend time looking for the right one. The Start menu and it's own separate Jump list/recently used file lists, serves a vital role for my usage. Sadly, this particular feature is currently missing from the restored Start menu in Windows 10. Also, as much as I agree with aspects of the criticism of the folder structure for programs and don't really care for the the All Programs folder view of the Start Menu, it is indisputably easier to find little-used programs in that than in the All Programs equivalent of the Start Screen. This is true simply because while both are alphabetized by folder, on the Start Screen, effectively all the folders are open, forcing you to scroll through a vast list of programs and folders to find the folder containing the little-used program you may be after. Sure, you can just type its name in either system, but that implies you remember the name. Many programs install several little apps with names that only make sense in the context of their containing folder. Finding those on the Start screen is a pain in the ass and MUCH SLOWER than in the Start menu.
  • I agree with all of your points! There is a 'by category' sort on the all apps part of the start screen, but there doesn't seem to be any non-hacky way to organise them or change the groups. The traditional start-menu folders were far more efficient for the reasons you've already described. The start menu seems like a desktop wall-of-icons replacement, but I turned off showing desktop icons in vista or 7 (whenever it was added) so the start screen always felt like a throwback to the dark days of XP.
  • Folders in the traditional start menu are horrible. First of all, many of them are just folders that contain one program, but also contain its uninstall link and readme, etc. It's absolutely unnecessarily convoluted way to access an application. I can hit start and type the first few letters of an app, and launch way faster then digging through the folder list. Considering the improvements of the W10 start menu and the current state of W10, this Start10 app seems way premature and stupid. But I guess jf they made that much of Start8, they might as well try to with a Windows 10 version.
  • @spaulagain, I agree with you about the problems with the traditional folders, but if you're looking for a little-used app whose name you can't remember because it's just a secondary applet that accompanies the main application (like the key generator app that accompanies one of my VPN programs), finding that on the Start Screen is even harder. You basically have the same folder structure, but all the folders are "Open", so you have browse through an even more painful list.
  • True but last I checked you can use quick jump in the WP app list. Can Start10 do this? Don't get me wrong, im all for options but going backwards to that long list of installed programs is just halting progress. I personally like the current stock win10 start menu and with MS' new rapid development approach, I have a feeling that we can see improvements and refinements made at pace.
  • Why are you even part of this forum? You're contributing nothing.
  • Are you kidding me? First thing I see in one of the pictures is a HIDEOUS long list. Way worse than WP because I see no jump lists there.
    You definitely have a clear agenda of promoting this sub par program.
  • But on windows phone you can jump quickly through that list by tapping on the letters that sit above the list of apps that start with that letter, and tap the letter that corresponds with the app youre trying to open. So for instance I want to open Jetpack Joyride. I tap on the "A" that sits towards the top of the app list, it'll open all the other letters, tap "J" and I'm already at my apps that start with J. No need to scroll all the way down to them.
  • People should not judge any product until the final version (especially the stock win10 start menu). There are so many features that are yet to be shown.
  • I hope they show a lot more features for Windows 10 for phones. I was a tad disappointed at the amount of stuff they have shown off so far, though I do like the little cursor nub and voice keyboard they included. I understand that they're all still builds and there's tons more to be added, but I hope that Microsoft plans on making Windows 10 for phones stand out from Windows Phone 8. So far there hasn't been many changes.
  • I'm fine with the current look of windows 10. The only thing I'll be replacing are the stock icons. I'll be using IconPackager from Stardock to replace them ugly things.
  • Pretty sure those will all be revised at final release. Some of the Spartan leaks showed evidence of completely overhauled icons. Specifically the wirey look.
  • Lol the icons are the ONE THING if any, that are not complete at all lol its pretty obvious I mean theres flat icons here and there and you still have the glossy 2000's era icons lol its time to unify the system and get every icon flat from top to bottom.
  • @kullkid Pretty sure that Microsoft is working on doing that right now.
  • I find the fact that the Start8 does not have the Windows Logo as it is on Windows 8.1 at the bottom quite disturbing...
  • I think that's configurable.
  • This has annoyed me ever since I installed it on my Windows 8.1 PC?
  • Copyright issue. Classicshell (a similar product) had the same issue.
  • Yeah, that would they make sense. They probably can't use the Windows Logo.
  • Right-click on the Start button still gives access to many menu features as well for "power desktop users".
  • @fwalts, I think that is a nice improvement in Windows 8.1, but it's not the same as access to documents and folders without jarringly-jumping to a separate screen. I resent that a whole monitor of mine (I run dual 30" screens) gets taken over with the Start Screen when I just want to open a file. I also think it's sad, though I realize most users didn't use them, that if I want to look at my weather applet (a gadget in Windows 7), I have to go to the Start Screen to look at the Live tile, taking away a full monitor for something that only needs a few inches of space. Why can't I just keep that Live tile running all the time in a free space on my Desktop where I can see it at any time? Just like I can put static or live tiles on the Start screen, why not let us do that on the Desktop? For those of us with a lot of screen real estate, that just seems like common sense.
  • Microsoft could consider giving the users a choice between the new metro style start menu and the old Win7 start menu. No need for a 3d party start menu then. Or make the new start menu so damn good we don't want the old one back.
  • Meh for Windows 8 maybe ... For Win10 no thanks.
  • Stardock's software always looks so tacky
  • This product should be outlawed and this company disbanded.
  • Why? Just because you don't like what they are doing doesn't mean people should be made redundant...
  • That was a bizarre thing to say, Arnold. Don't troll.
  • i want windows 8 style :(
  • Why would anyone pay for Stardock when Classic Shell does it better, for free?!
  • I guess they probably haven't heard of Classic shell...
  • This 10 times over. I've seen a lot of articles online which push consumers towards Stardock and even laptops bought from retailers with stardock trials pre-installed, so I've got a feeling that's a big reason why, and would explain why they've made so many sales from computer illiterate users.
  • Advert.
  • Totally agree all that article is is an ad, I wonder what they received as a "thank you". Also I like win10 start, yes it needs a few tweaks (like ability to turn live tiles off) but prefer it to 8.1
  • What happens if you unpin all the tiles? Not rhetorical, I haven't tried but if you do that on WP it disables the Start screen entirely.
  • Hey Nik great question. I just tried your experiment and sadly the start menu keeps that space there for the tiles. It'd be great if an admin can create a policy to have all tiles unpinned and the start menu dynamically adjusts and slims down. But sadly that is not the case right now. Now to pin all my tiles again lol
  • @kull I think they're adding the dynamic feature back in future builds, seeing as that they previously had it at one time but removed it for some reason. I definitely see it coming back though.
  • Interviewing a developer is not the same as an advertisement at all. That is a really strange accusation.
  • I dont understand why MS cant offer the same customizability in their products...yes i understand they are trying to push live tiles but it should be some kind of option. People would appreciate that more. I wonder why they want to make live tiles apart of the start experience rather than making the desktop area customizable with a start screen like layout instead of icons.
  • To your first thing: Gabe Aul already said too much customization makes the developement more difficult because it branches it even more. And it boggs down the OS.   To the second: Because most of the time you're not looking at the desktop. You'd have to minimize stuff to get to it instead of just pushing the start button which overlays on top.
  • So how does stardock do it? And no one seems to complain and they have millions of consumers who got start8. And in current versions of windows they have the show desktop button which brings you directly to the desktop and if you click it again all your windows are in the same place this is the same concept and wont require the user to minimize all of their windows. I think thats a better option and using then allowing fullscreen start screen in tablet mode similar to win 8...at this point this one option thing isnt going to suit everybody.They HAVE to bring greater customizability.
  • because they use a seperate program all together, where microsoft would need to put to branches of the same feature, and tie it into a setting somewhere, much mroe difficult to keep up with as time goes on, also, starsock isnt managing an entire OS ontop of their addition.   clicking botton ->looking at sometihng->clicking button again -> clicking the program i was previously using in the taskbar -> continue working VS clicking button -> looking at tile -> clicking program -> continue working   notice how theres an extra step in your idea?    and, no, clicking the "show desktop" button twice doesn't always bring up the same program you were on.
  • Start8 is one software, from a company that isn't maintaining an entire OS. And also, many people have complained that Start8 slowed down their PC's, you can read people complaining about it everywhere. It also brings incompatibility issues with updates.
    ​Also, that "show desktop" button isn't very reliable. As Asskickulater said, it doesn't always bring you back to the windows that was open. I just tested it, and it didn't for me. Stuff being on the desktop is a lot less convenient than the start menu.
  • There's a good quote, I forget the exact wording or who said it but it's something like 'too many options reveals a lack of definitive design direction'. Options are good; too many options is not.
  • I think its because users who are using Start10 don't like the new Start Menu. But if someone teaches them on his to use the new one, then people might like it.
  • thats what people said about win 8 start screen...and now MS is back to making start menus lol
  • Lol there's really not a whole lot to learn about it. All/recent apps on the left, pin able apps/tiles on the right, scrolls up and down just like the old ones do. What's so hard about that? Sometimes I think people are just civilized modern cavemen that are afraid of anything new, and condemn it. I mean they act the same way..."caveman see fire, fire scare caveman and burn him because he can't figure out how to use, caveman hate fire." Sounds kind of similar to "User get new Start Menu, new start menu frustrate user, user open wrong program and get virus, user hate new Start Menu" doesn't it? Lol.
  • Isn't he worried Microsoft might integrate some of Start10's features by the time Windows 10 is released? Then their product wouldn't be as useful. But choice is good, anyway.
  • Premature and pointless app, very obvious infomercial, probably mr Callahams history with Neowin has something to do with it.. The only thing these apps do is keep people stuck in a decade old way of working and flat out disallowing Microsoft to move forward. Apps like this should be blocked by the OS IMO..   Especially releasing this so early is a sign of disrespect, ignorance and self centered attitude.
  • They ought to write in to the OS a security feature stopping anything from altering start or it wont launch programs until start is restored to default.
  • This is an interview. News sites like us run interviews. Releasing Start10 prior to Windows 10's official launch is none of the things you said.
  • Or hey, just stick to Windows 7......
  • I'm all for options, it would be interesting to see what the final end product (Windows 10) turns out to be.
  • He is worried of loosing customers ... ( millions to thousands ) ... :D he tried soooo hard to make us think W10 start menu is bullsh*t and Start10 is your solution for that... Come on... Don't talk sh*t ...
  • *losing
  • Lol the start menu isn't even close to being finished in Windows 10
  • I hope you're right because I really would like to see submenus come back.
  • We've got theoretically 5 or 6 more builds worth of changes to see what they come up with, so anything is possible.
  • There's no way I'm installing such shit on my computer!
  • What I would really like is for Microsoft to get the SDK to Stardock so they would re-imagine Windows Phone 10.  That is my dream.  Love Stardock for what they do with Windows.
  • Maybe 1 or 2 of the things he mentions are valid criticisms, but stuff I see a lot like 'I just want to check what type of monitor a user has on their machine via "Documents and Printers" (which isn't even accessible from the Windows 10 start menu)' is just not a real problem. In W8 & W10 Hit the Windows key, type 'Devices' and the 'Devices & Printers' link is probably the first one in the list. Arrow key and enter or click with the mouse. Once you start using the start menu like that things become much simpler.
  • Sure there are other ways to do those things but the easiest way would be to include it in the start menu.
  • I disagree that is easier. I was actually thinking that the new way is easier. But that's just my opinion of course.
  • Yeah let's cling to the past. To hell with the future!
  • "New" isn't always "better"
  • The heck is going on with the charms bar anyway? Is it going away?
  • Idk but I want it back
  • Good riddance. It was not a bad concept but in practice it just did not make things better.
  • Charms are gone in WIndows 10.  I like what they did with them though. A simple click on the notification tray and you get them.
  • But if you don't have a mouse touching the notification tray isn't as simple. And I don't think all the charms were carried over, like the Devices - Play & Project? I also don't understand why they took the keyboard shortcuts for the charm items away.