Windows Central Podcast 14: Surface Futures

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After a marathon-length episode 13 live from IFA 2016, it's Dan and Zac's turn to take on the news of the week. From the just-revealed Lenovo Yoga Book to the latest Windows 10 builds to the future of Surface, there's a lot of ground to cover, so let's get to it!

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Derek Kessler

Derek Kessler is Special Projects Manager for Mobile Nations. He's been writing about tech since 2009, has far more phones than is considered humane, still carries a torch for Palm, and got a Tesla because it was the biggest gadget he could find. You can follow him on Twitter at @derekakessler.

  • I want surface 4 (non pro) about 10/11 inches
  • I'd be totally in for such a device.
  • Ooh time to listen...
  • I'm very much enjoying these regular podcasts!! It's what I've wanted from you guys most for many, many years. Thanks!!!
  • Cheers, glad you like it.
  • Not only that, but then I clicked the link in my email to see the comment and Windows asked me if I wanted to open it in the Windows Central app or Edge! Firing on all cylinders now! Awesome
  • Wasn't a fan of episode 13 at all.
  • I can agree with this one. I only made it through about 30 minutes of talk about Android Wear nonsense before I turned it off. But, this clearly was a "bonus" episode... hard to hold it against the podcast in general.
  • Whats the name of the software Daniel talked about that adjusts the screen light of your PC? Flix?
  • oha, found it:  
  • f.lux
  • So they didn't anticipate market share would drop that fast eh? Seriously? Are they REALLY that clueless in Redmond? Let's do a small recap of the journey of Windows 10 Mobile so far. Not for the faint of heart. You start by publicly announcing a retrenchment. You have not 1, but multiple rounds on layoffs in your mobile division. You release the mobile version of your brand new OS not only several months behind the PC version but also full of bugs. You release new hardware to accompany the release of the OS, but you don't advertise it in any way. It then takes you yet another 4 to 5 months for it to become release worthy. But it's ultimately released as an upgrade to a much smaller set of devices then what we were led to believe. And contrary to earlier reports there's also no multiple release waves for older devices. Meanwhile the press is having a field day with the dwindling market share numbers, happily declaring Windows on phones as "dead". And after all that, as the "pièce the résistance", you have the head of Windows coming out and saying that Windows 10 mobile is not where their focus is. And then you are surprised that people simply stop buying your devices? Really? I mean, seriously? Just, wow. As for why we are still seeing new apps for W10 mobile, I think this is based upon the promise of the platform combined with the projected number of devices there would be due to upgrades. This was mentioned by the developer of AppRaisin in the recent story concerning this app. Developing an app takes time, so the ones that were released recently have probably been in development for quite some time. I fear this will not last if you look were we are today: the Lumia division, responsible for 97% of the Windows Mobile market is gone; the sales of the few OEM's that are still on board are nowhere to be found in the statistics; and not a single new OEM has announced to be releasing devices this fall, even after Microsoft basically ceded the Windows Mobile market. As a result, there's almost no market left. And so Microsoft is basically asking OEM's to create that market for them. I don't see that happening any time soon. Microsoft should be getting pretty nervous at this point, because mobile is absolutely essential for UWP to succeed. That was another important lesson from the AppRaisin story: revenue on mobile was at least equal to that on PC's despite a ratio of 1 to 20 in the number of Windows 10 devices. Anyway, I enjoyed the podcast.
  • Great summary. Realistic, to the point and written with respect and no cursewords :)
  • Hp did make a Windows Mobile phone back in the classic winmo days. It was the hw6500 I believe. I totally wanted this device and never ended up with it. Im considering picking up an elite x3 if I can drum up the funds.