Windows Central Podcast 37: Windows 10 Mobile is still dead

It seems like once every month we're talking about the death of Windows 10 Mobile, which makes you wonder if death actually means anything at all. We talk Mobile futures, 4K webcams, Windows 10 tables and more on this weeks Windows Central Podcast!

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Zac Bowden is a Senior Editor at Windows Central. Bringing you exclusive coverage into the world of Windows 10 on PCs, tablets, phones, and more. Also an avid collector of rare Microsoft prototype devices! Keep in touch on Twitter: @zacbowden.

  • I'm about to move to android, not because I don't like WP10, it's brilliant but my 950xl is falling apart, it gets a lot of use and there is nothing new. Thinking a note 5 for now, want a stylus as most of my works in onenote on my desktop, tablet and main surface pro units I use everyday. So the styles Will be great for this and all my apps are there on android. My issue with MS and WP10 is not the OS at all, not the lack of some apps, not that I really wanna share dick pics on snapchat, not that i cant shop using an app or book an hotel... I have edge for most of that, not the dick picks, not a pubebessant teenager. BUT it's the lack of phones, the HP has a poor camera as does the Idol and they are expensive for a phone with limited functionality when compared to iphones and galaxy at the price. Why can't MS just make two handsets for the WP10 users who are still here. OR RELEASE THE SURFACE PHONE AND THE SURFACE PRO 3 MINI we all know you have!!! Seen the instructions and know your CEOs etc have them!!!!
  • I'd be happy if they allowed HP et al the opportunity to licence the tech in the 950 camera and allow them to use it in their devices. A 955xl with an 835 Snapdragon and a tad more RAM would do me for a bit, in terms of tech. However, the app issue is real for me, I'm hoping Whatsapp get some traction with their improvements, as I think Snapchat deserves it's wings clipped. So many people I know use Snapchat, from my age (40) down. My banking app is solid and regularly updated. As for websites, I find that Edge can be hit and miss. As sad as I find it, I will likely be Android by this time next year. Incidentally, I suspect that the closest we will come to a Surface device could be the Surface Pocket. A dual screen, foldable small form factor pc in your pocket. Some time away though.
  • Snap is going to fail soon
  • A follow up to the 950XL would've been great. I just switched back to Android because there weren't really any solid and cheap (Elite x3 was more than I wanted to spend) alternatives. I'm hoping there might be something announced soon, so I can get back to Windows. If not, I can wait until the Surface Phone
  • Jay, my reasoning is similar to yours. Day one 950xl here. Now I'm bored...
  • Day one 950 here. That said though, I don't feel any real need to upgrade just for the sake of it. The camera is fine. The power is fine. The features are fine. It runs every app. The battery is a little funky but I have a replacement for that. It's hard to convince myself that I need to spend another £500 just so my phone seems faster.
  • You are not the norm my friend. I completely agree with you though. Don't understand how people are in such a rush to waste money on something because its shiny and new yet adds nothing. Even iPhone users tend to wait 2 years between new phones. The state of the current mobile phone industry you may as well be waiting 3+ years because its stagnant as hell in terms of what's actually available to buy today. I know people who have spent £800 on their credit card to get a new phone because they were bored
  • The elite x3 does not have a poor camera. You are misinformed.
  • I have the ELITE X3 and the camera is good. However, the focusing on the camera freaking sucks compared to the 950XL.
  • It's pretty awful: •  Camera head to head: HP Elite X3 vs Lumia 950 XL •  Review: HP Elite X3: part 4 - Imaging
  • I'm pretty sure there ahve been more firmware updates since that review.
  • The reviewer updates his reviews to reflect updates. The photo comparisons revealed no grand improvements.
  • It's really not that bad. Firmware updates really helped out... But let's be honest, Lumia imagining set the bar ridicilously high for competitors. Thats both amazing and frustrating (got spoiled)
  • Just not seen any phone get the low noise levels of the 950 series.. I mean the things better than the 1020. I'm a photographer and love having this quality when I don't have my main shooter.
  • I showed a co-worker some pics and video from the weekend (nice weather, took the kids out), and he was like, "Wow, what did you take those with? You must have a really good video camera."  He didn't believe me when I told him, "You're looking at it."  The camera is one of the main reasons I went with the 950.  I wasn't willing to pay for an S7 that will be crap like my S5 was in 6 months use
  • You're not alone, im sure there's tons of wm users rdy to switch over, i myself allso have a 950xl. but that will surely be my last windows phone, im so tired of all the Microsoft bs all the time doing nothing useful. Everything is America only.... every time there's an Microsoft offer of any kinds.. its America only, Cortana i still useless in so many countries that its a damn joke ( selling point for their phone ) MEH :-/ app lacking and app leaving wonderful platform .... nonetheless im pretty sure my next phone will be a Nokia, the nokia 6 looks so nice, cant wait to see the p1 :D WM or Win10 arm and all that, i does not matter.. Microsoft will never get back into the game and people could't care less about them.
  • I'm not trying to sway you to stay (I quit doing that long ago), but I take issue with a couple of your comments. First, the cameras aren't the junk that people keep referring to them as. I'm getting really decent photos and videos from my Idol 4S. Is it as good as the 950XL? No, but it's a good camera. Second, how can you say it has limited functionality for the price compared to an iPhone or a Galaxy? The unlocked Idol 4S is available on Amazon for $450. Where can you get a new Galaxy or iPhone for that price? They are several hundred more. The Idol has excellent build quality (better than any of the Lumias that I owned) that I would stack up against the very best running any OS. I've never heard better speakers on a phone (they are so good that I prefer them to headphones). The battery life is fantastic and it has quickcharge 3.0. The phone has an 820 Snapdragon, 64gigs of storage, 4 gigs of ram and a micro SD slot too (you won't find that on an iPhone). FOR $450 unlocked ($288 if you're on T-Mobile). It may be the best bang for the buck of any phone right now. Yes, it's lacking NFC, but for anyone like me that doesn't want, need or have any use for that, it's a super phone at a super price.
  • I was meaning all the eco system that goes with those other phones, speaker docks, battery packs, cases and somewhat better system apps. (not app apps just what's built in)
  • Also I'm a photography teacher and a pro photographer... Kinda placed my self in the 950xls quality realm for a reason, it's better than the 1020 ffs which was amazing and still beats iphones and galaxy. I've tried them all head to head and the noise in low light conditions is simply not there on the xl... But now I'm stuck. Might give the idol a go but get the feeling its lens Will not be bright enough and the HP seems to loose on every test ive seen. Maybe I will get a second hand xl and a really solid case and see how long it lasts lol
  • The price hasn't a single thing to do with the functionality. The Nexus 5X had good speakers too, stereo in fact. iP7 does the same thing. Battery life is great on the Pixel XL, Samsung S7, etc, it's not really a big problem with phones right now. Honestly, the snapdragon 820 isn't the best chip at this point, 821 is faster. Samsung S8 is going to have the 835, blistering fast. 64GB of storage is pretty good, but there are phones with a lot more (iPhone 7 with 256GB). 4GB of RAM is pretty decent considering Windows Mobile is a lean OS. For $450 I would rather get a OnePlus 3T, plus it has NFC. :P
  • Note 5 is a good choice because the price has come down a bit plus Samsung always pack the best components for their Note series. A good headphone amp, fast flash memory, a GPS sensor that work and archieve fast lock on. I have use many mid end phone and their GPS normally suck. No lock on for a full minute under the sky.
  • Did this recently - moved from a 950XL (my second) to a Google Pixel, after many years of WP ownership. The first few days I really missed the 950XL, particularly the hardware - but all of a sudden I was left thinking "why did I not do this sooner". W10 is prettier and more intuitive IMO, but jeez, when compared to Android it is just so unstable and feature-lacking. Anyway, we don't need to report on whether W10 mobile is dead or not, it really doesn't mater - it's a free world and those who want it can still have it and use it, I don't see Microsoft completely dropping it for the foreseeable future, so long as it stays aligned with the desktop OS. Hardware-wise, you can't really blame manufacturers for not producing phones running this OS, I mean they need to make a profit after all, and it's getting harder and harder to do that. What we need is a way of running whatever OS we choose on mobile hardware (obviously not iOS, because Apple will never allow it), but that would be cool. IMO that would help to gain some W10 followers. At the same time, I wish I could just put Android on my 950XL
  • I'm thinking of moving from a 950XL to a OnePlus 3T and I wondered what it would be like. Always thought, like you, if I could get the Lumia running Android it would be like having my cake and eating it too.
    Out of curiosity, what have been the biggest things you've noticed you are either glad to now have or missing from W10M?
  • The HP Elite x3 is a great alternative to your Lumia 950xl, I own one my self and it's fabulous device (the only downside is it's so, so camera) Or the Alcatel Idol 4s looks like a good contender an it's globally for sale at, so maybe that's an option for you if you'd want to stay in the ecosystem :)
  • Yeah.. It's not a new news.. We all know Windows 10 mobile and windows phone is dead.. Dreamers can dream freely about surface phone and all ***** but Microsoft is never gonna succeed again in mobile division
  • In that case, my 950XL makes for a pretty competent Walking Dead ;).
  • I think they have a really good chance with full Windows 10 on ARM, but I also think we should stop expecting some sort of magical turnaround when it comes to mobile. We probably have to wait for the next paradigm shift. Mobile websites are slowly replacing apps which I personally find very interesting and it would solve a lot of problems. But we'll just have to wait and see how that pans out.
  • I agree, MS might be ahead of the curve for the future, but right now it is kind of feeling like it's a waiting game and we're all twiddling our fingers. Waiting for the next thing is good, but I think users are considering what else they could do in the meantime with their money.
    I'll be honest, I'm starting to think like that.
  • I agree. My added thought is that when the fans leave due to app gap, stability issues, lack of good flagship level devices, etc; the cost and or contract of new non WP10 phone will delay their return. If the Surface phone isn't announced with firm 2017 release date, many will jump ship this year and not have the money for a year or two to come back to windows. Then with that issue, it will be even harder to convince iOS and android users to come over. I feel if it is released by 2018, I will leave 950 for another device like a Note 8 if it arrives first. So by waiting, they lose more fans who on leaving can't afford to return to a hopefully game changing device. Developers will refuse to support Surface phone due to low sales. App centric users won't convert for that reason. On the optimistic side, Samsung and Apple have poor leak management; that when flagships come out, there are no surprises anymore. Microsoft did better as the 950 was a surprise as they didn't release the Surface phone with the i finished OS. So I hope MS "surprises the naysayers with a 2017 release that supports a Surface pen.😀
  • I love my 950xl. But will have to move to Android unless Microsoft surprise us with a Surface Phone that I think will never come. We needed some cool Win10 app. But, now, I realize that will never come. It's been a nice run.
  • If i were you, go with the Alcatel 4S. If i didn't buy my Lumia 950XL too soon, I would have gotten that one right away, but didn't learn about it until it was too late. Now i'm rocking both the Lumia and my LG V20. Two really amazing phones and would recommend them both. I can hold off for now until Microsoft brings out their Surface phone, and Surface pro 5. I'm very patient and don't need an upgrade right away anyway.
  • looking to go back to a android as well, either waiting for the galaxy 8 or going with a pixel now. Seeing that we are for the most keeping w10m alive, how about we all move to end it now, in It's current iteration. That way if Panos works some magic we can all look at it at that time with fresh eyes.
  • In a recent feedback session on the new Xbox dashboard(alpha), I was asked what could make certain features better, of the multiple choice answers one was "Create an android or ios app to ....." No mention of a windows 10 mobile app. That says it all as others have mentioned.
  • I noticed the same. Just does not send a good message.
  • At first glance it doesn't look good, but since the plan is to put full Windows 10 on ARM in the future, who knows? I personally don't think W10M has a place for mobile computing anymore. W10M might be interesting for IoT related stuff though, bit like a raspberry-ish idea.
  • has no future but it had past. Moving now to some f-a-g-g-o-t OS alternative. Lol!
  • Sooo does that now make you one since you're moving on to it? :-/
  • Hopefully not.
  • So then you just prefer to sound like a homophobic idiot. Gotcha
  • I understood the joke. See no reason for starting the political correctness bullshit!
  • It's called respect for someone other than yourself. Nothing political here. Don't use "political correctness bullshit" as an excuse for ****** behavior.
  • Alternative facts
  • What's point of such an article
  • Reality
  • Then why state obvious
  • Because people still have hopes and dreams.
  • Dumb for this site to write such
  • You know you DON'T have to visit it...
  • yeb there is still hope!
  • No matter what they say we won't lose hope.. 😉
  • I really wanted Windows Mobile to work. I kept going back and forth when I saw the 950XL and HP Elite. I really wanted to convince myself that MS was what I wanted for my mobile OS. But reality was I'm just to invested in Android even more than when I had the 1520. So much better fitness options and wearable that just doesn't make me intrigued enough to go back to Windows. I'm pretty sure I'm completely done with WM.
  • I'll probably stick with my 950XL for a long as it runs, unless a suitable W10M replacement comes along. Considering my iPaq 6315 lasted for seven years, I could see my 950XL hanging on that long. Except for the fact that these days Everything as a Service most likely means key features will be deactivated in the server side, rendering a perfectly good piece of hardware insufficiently operable before it would have died on its own. A friend of mine who changes phones and platforms semiregularly once told me something I already know: no matter which OS I may eventually end up with, if it isn't Windows I will be disappointed with what the alternatives have to offer.
  • Why do you torture yourself that bad? Just switch to iOS or Android and use all MS apps anyways that are FAR better than WM10 versions 
  • Very true
  • Torture myself? I do that every time I have to futz with an iPad at work. iOS is in serious need of a facelift. If I had to switch today, I would probably go to Android. Or maybe wing it for a while with nothing more than a plain old non-smart phone. I think I still have an old Nokia tossed in a box somewhere.
  • Rumor is is that Nokia is bringing back the 3310...had that phone back in the day when Nokia ruled the cellphone market. I will consider one if it comes to the U.S. .
  • If I switched, I would use the tools of the ecosystem. Groove would get canceled, for one. I already have Amazon Prime, so I'd use their music service. No more OneDrive. I'd use the free Office though.
  • Ummm how is it dead?
  • Listen to the podcast and find out?
  • I really like my 950XL. Once the next release that fixes adding devices to bluetooth is released.. I will back off a bit and at least go to the slow ring. Latest release that killed adding bluetooth devices corresponded with my purchase of two new bluetooth headsets... oh well.... what can you do? fast ring is risky. lol It's a good phone... especially considering I have been on the fast ring the entire time I've had it.
  • I'll probably be moving to the lg g6. Nadella killed Windows Phone. All the apps I used have already left.
  • The classification of a dead OS is important here. I classify a completely dead OS as one where no updates are made. Having said that, the OS is on life support as not many devs are supporting the OS. I switched to iOS a year ago and since then I have not looked back. The support and app quality is amazing. A lot less buggy than WM. As much as it's each to their own, I would advise people to switch. You don't have to be loyal if ms is not paying you. And when ms comes with the next and best thing, then you can just switch. It's what I'm planning to do. Ms is not forcing people who want the surface phone in a few years to stick with them first. 
  • Yeah, Apple's support is down right garbage and super expensive, only for the filthy rich. Hell they wanted to charge me $65 just to ship back an ipod that got a few drops of water on it. Their great and amazing ipod broke after 2 months and with just a few drops of water as i dropped it in the sink with just a few driplets of water in there. Sorry to say but i'm both carrying a Lumia 950XL and an LG V20 on T-mobile. I'll stick with Windows and Android. By the way Windows mobile is far better than it's ever been. It is fast, smooth, vastly improved and I just love using Windows hello on it. The LG V20 has the finger print reader, so both phones have their features that makes them great.
  • Here in Russia the government has given Apple until May to unify their support. Seem that here if you crack your iPhone 7 screen Apple advices you buy a new phone because they don't have replacement glass.
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