A few years ago, HP released what I thought was one of the most innovative and creative convertible laptops yet — the HP Spectre Folio. But there were two big gripes, including the abhorrent trackpad and the somewhat cramped 16:9 display.
HP is back with the Elite Folio — a shift in the product line from prosumer to business — and it proves HP is listening to feedback. While I consider the Surface Pro X one of the best laptops with a Qualcomm Snapdragon processor, the Elite Folio, in many ways, outdoes it thanks to its pull-it-forward display.
Here's why I think HP has really nailed this concept and why this always-connected 4G/5G laptop is one of the most exciting this year.
Bottom line: HP Elite Folio is a significant step forward for always-connected ARM-powered laptops. With an excellent display, keyboard, and superior 2-in-1 design, the Elite Folio is perfect for those who need light computing and an all-day battery. Just be wary of the high price.
- Excellent, high-quality 2-in-1 design
- Very good 3:2 touch display with included pen
- Surprisingly good audio
- Great battery life
- Super expensive
- Hard to open
- Glossy display
HP Elite Folio: Price, availability, and specs
Pricing for the Elite Folio begins at $1,699 and goes up to $2,327 depending on configuration options.
The lowest base model features a 13.5-inch 1920 x 1280 BrightView display, Corning Gorilla Glass 5, that peaks around 400 nits and ships with Windows 10 Home. Storage is 128GB with 8GB of RAM and no 4G LTE. However, HP steers buyers towards the 4G model by default. This laptop is one of the first Snapdragon Qualcomm PCs that makes 4G optional for those who want Wi-Fi only.
The most expensive version delivers Windows 10 Pro, 16GB of RAM, 512GB of storage, HP's Sure View Reflect screen privacy feature, and 5G for $2,327.
The model tested for this review shipped with 512GB storage, 16GB of RAM, 4G LTE, and the standard full HD display coming in at $2,063.
|Category||HP Elite Folio|
|OS||Windows 10 Home or Pro|
|Processor||Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx Gen 2|
|RAM||8 or 16GB LPDDR4x|
|Storage||Up to 512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD|
3:2 aspect ratio
Sure View Reflect (optional)
|Pen||HP Elite Slim Active Pen|
|Ports||Two USB-C 3.2|
Nano SIM + eSIM
|Audio||Four Stereo speakers|
Bang & Olufsen tuning
Snapdragon X20 4G LTE
Snapdragon X55 5G
HP Privacy Camera
|Battery||Up to 24.5 hours|
|Dimensions||11.76 x 9.04 x 0.63 inches|
(298.6mm x 229.6mm x 15.95mm)
|Weight||From 2.85 pounds (1.29kg)|
Buyers can order direct through HP with either ready-to-ship configurations or customize, so users add on things like 5G or more storage.
As of now, the Elite Folio is not sold in stores or on Amazon.
For specs, you are not getting much due to this being an ultralight computer with just two Type-C 3.2 ports (neither Thunderbolt due to it being a Qualcomm PC). HP rightly puts one of each port on opposing sides of the Elite Folio, which is much more adaptive for modern offices. One can be used for charging with the included 65-watt charger and the other for a hub or peripherals, including external displays.
HP almost hides the SIM drawer for 4G and 5G in the pen slot. It's tricky to find and open, but most people will only drop a SIM in one time anyway, making the criticism arguable. The Elite Folio also supports eSIM forgoing the whole physical SIM card for an electronic one for those who want it.
The Elite Folio supports Wi-Fi 6 and Bluetooth 5.0, which is adequate, although Bluetooth 5.1 or 5.2 would be more desirable.
HP Elite Folio: Design and features
The 2021 Elite Folio fixes everything wrong with the 2018 Spectre Folio. HP now uses faux leather, which is much more sustainable for the environment. The processor switched from Intel to Qualcomm. The trackpad is much larger and now uses Microsoft Precision drivers. And the display is now a much taller 3:2 aspect matching what is found on Microsoft's Surface products.
Like Surface Pro X, HP puts the pen into the keyboard deck now for storage and charging (the pen is held in place by magnets). It's a clever design that can happen thanks to that taller 3:2 display which lengthened the keyboard deck to allow space for the feature. The pen cannot be lost now and is always charged — it's brilliant.
But the real magic with the Elite Folio is the hinge design. Opening the lid and you are greeted with what looks like a Surface Laptop — standard keyboard, tall display, multiple viewing angles thanks to the display hinge. But you can pull the screen forward into a "media mode" that brings the screen closer to you for more enjoyable viewing of a movie, browsing a website, drawing, or giving a presentation. And because of the way it works, this mode also keeps the trackpad accessible, making navigation and clicking easier and serving as an alternative to relying on the touch screen.
But it doesn't end there. Pull the screen even more forward, then lay it down, and you now have a Windows PC tablet. But unlike 360-degree convertible PCs, this one doesn't lay flat and, instead, it is slightly angled upwards like a real drafting table. This configuration makes it ideal for inking as you can still get good viewing angles instead of looking straight down. It's also much more comfortable.
The whole process uses some clever hinge designs and magnets, letting the display snap into place for each mode. It's very satisfying to use and feels fluid.
Again, differing from a 360-degree convertible PC, you can transform the Elite Folio without lifting it off your lap and don't require exposing the keyboard to a hard surface. In having used both styles of convertibles, this pull-it-forward design is much enjoyable and valuable than something like what the HP Spectre x360 14 offers.
My only gripe with all of this is HP uses powerful magnets to keep the Elite Folio closed. It requires you to pry the device open with two hands, thereby removing some of the elegance of the overall design. It's all a bit ridiculous.
Externally, the Elite Folio relies on a faux black leather shell instead of the genuine football-like leather of the Spectre Folio. The reason for this material use is it helps to hide some of the hinges while also being flexible enough to protect the device. It's held up incredibly well over the last few months and gives the aura of this device being an actual folio. It's classy and different.
Carrying the 2.85-pound (1.29kg) Elite Folio feels very professional thanks to its slim design and exterior materials. It looks great in a coffee shop, airplane, or maybe that boardroom meeting for your Fortune 500 company.
The keyboard is typical HP, that is, excellent. HP makes some of my favorite keyboards, and this is not the exception. Plenty of travel, backlit, and large square keys let me type as fast and accurately as I can. The keys are a bit soft compared to typical EliteBooks, but still very good.
The trackpad is also excellent — large, smooth, nice click, and it uses Microsoft Precision drivers. It's a massive jump over the Spectre Folio.
Audio is driven by two top-firing Bang & Olufsen speakers that flank the keyboard and two more on the sides, which is kind of incredible. Many laptops settle for just two speakers, but HP is jamming four in a very thin and light device. Of course, they need the speakers like this, so when the display is lying flat, you get good audio no matter the posture — and it works. Even when lying flat, there is a gap for the top-firing speakers, so the audio is never muffled.
Unfortunately, unlike other HP laptops, this one lacks any advanced controls for those speakers, including a full EQ or audio presets.
The 720P front-facing camera is decent enough and on the better side for modern laptops but falls short of Surface Pro X or HP's own Elite Dragonfly Max with its 5MP full HD one. The camera has an infrared (IR) sensor for logging into Windows with just your face. HP also uses its older "slider" privacy shutter for the webcam, a departure from its more modern electronic solutions found in its Spectre series with a dedicated key. While the manual privacy shutter is OK, there are times when you'll accidentally engage it from opening the Elite Folio, which will prevent Windows Hello from working too.
Never lose the pen
HP Elite Folio: Display and inking
The 13.5-inch full HD (1920x1280) display delivers a pixel-per-inch (PPI) count of 171, which is acceptable for this class of device, but it does fall well short of Surface Pro X's higher resolution 2800x1920 with a 267 PPI.
The bezels are relatively thin and much better looking than the Spectre Folio. Still, while the side bezels are thin, the top and bottom are both of differing proportions, which the balance off (the top is much thicker than the bottom, which is slightly wider than the side bezels).
HP includes an auto-dimming sensor to adjust brightness on ambient lighting conditions. The display's colors are vibrant and have a nice pop to them. The color gamut accuracy is also solid with 100% sRGB, 74% AdobeRGB, and 78% DCI-P3 — right in the range of most premium Ultrabooks.
Brightness bottoms out at 21 nits — dim but still on the brighter side for night work — and peaks at exactly 400.6 nits, just as HP promises. Those results make the Elite Folio ideal for most environments, but it will struggle in outdoor light, which is made worse by the highly glossy display. HP should add an anti-reflective layer to this Elite Folio like it does on its other premium laptops, thereby preserving color accuracy and reducing reflectivity.
The inking is excellent, thanks to the siloed slim pen. It's very reminiscent of Microsoft's Surface Slim Pen minus the clickable eraser. A small white LED lets you know it is charging, and there are two buttons for extra functions. Magnets hold the pen in place, and it even flips the pen for you when you put it back in the divot.
Pen latency and accuracy were excellent, making this perfect for note-taking, annotations, signing PDFs, or sketching.
Gets the job done
HP Elite Folio: Performance and battery
The Elite Folio is powered by Qualcomm's latest Snapdragon 8cx Gen 2 processor — the same found in Surface Pro X. Indeed, performance is precisely in line with Surface Pro X with nearly the same benchmarks across the board for CPU and GPU performance.
Whereas the Elite Folio differs is in two areas. For one, with that lower-resolution display, there are fewer pixels to push, which makes Elite Folio feel quite zippy. That's also helped by the solid SSD, which hits just over 3,100MB/s for sequential read and a lower, less critical, 1,250MB/s for writing. That's significantly faster than Surface Pro X with 2,000MB/s read and just 810MB/s for write.
Performance varies on Snapdragon ARM PCs from typical x86 Intel or AMD-based ones, with apps compiled for ARM64 running better than x86 apps. As noted in previous Qualcomm PC reviews, most apps run without a hitch, including the ones ideal for this class of device, such as:
- Microsoft Office (Word, OneNote, Excel)
- Microsoft Edge
- Amazon Prime Video
- Microsoft Teams
- Slack (PWA)
- Mail (Outlook.com)
- Flow Mail (Gmail)
- Polarr Photo Editor Pro
- Microsoft News
- Microsoft To Do
- myTube! (opens in new tab) (YouTube)
- MobileDiscord PTB (Discord)
- Unigram (Telegram)
- ExpressVPN using manual configuration
- Zoom (coming soon)
Moreover, with Windows 11 around the corner, the Elite Folio will only get better. Windows 11 brings native x64 app emulation support to Windows on ARM letting users run just about any app. So far, in our usage of Windows 11 with Surface Pro X, performance is even better thanks to the new ARM64EC (Emulation Compatible) tech being used and Microsoft Office is now compiled for ARM64 too.
4G LTE performance is also outstanding, with no reception drops or odd behavior. Like most always-connected Windows PCs these days, you can leave 4G on all the time, even on Wi-Fi, as it has no impact on battery life. It uses similar power to that of Wi-Fi and is not something that you need to micromanage.
Battery life was a bit tougher to measure as there were some issues with PCMark 10's battery rundown test. However, our test results of just over 11 hours fit our real-world usage of around nine hours (Windows battery usage report). That's on par with current 11th Gen Intel laptops, but those laptops also aren't as thin as Elite Folio, nor do they have this specific form factor. That, so far, has been the point of Windows on ARM PCs — to create devices that you cannot do with Intel or AMD chipsets. The exception being the Lenovo Flex 5G, which is more of a traditional 360-laptop, could easily hit 18 hours or more.
Since the Elite Folio has no vents or fans, there is nothing to report on for noise or heat. The device never gets warm, and it makes no fan noise.
HP Elite Folio: Competition
The Elite Folio is a unique PC with few direct competitors due to its unusual form factor and its advantages.
The most obvious alternative to the Elite Folio would be the current Microsoft Surface Pro X with 4G LTE. It is a similar 2-in-1 device with pen support and the same processor. The Pro X excels in a higher-resolution display, better front-facing camera, and a removable keyboard. The battery life between the two is similar. However, the Elite Folio has the option for Wi-Fi-only, or 5G, neither of which Pro X offers. Pricing is also identical once you factor the keyboard/pen combo into the Pro X's bottom line.
Lenovo's Flex 5G is a 360-hinge ARM PC that gets double the battery life. It is also the only laptop that supports Verizon's high-speed 5G mmWave (and Sub-6), although how much you benefit from that depends highly on your location. It's running the Snapdragon 8cx Gen 1 instead of Gen 2, but our benchmarks show little difference between the two making the point moot.
Lenovo also has the outstanding ThinkPad X1 Titanium Yoga with optional 5G. It is just as thin as the Elite Folio and runs an Intel x86 processor without limits (but also generates much more heat and has a fan). It flips into a tablet, although you'll have to find a place to stow the pen during travel. It has an overall very similar look and feel to the Elite Folio but is a more traditional 360-degree hinge design, which some may prefer. It's also much cheaper, starting at $1,200 (though configured to match the Elite Folio in this review, the Titanium Yoga is $2,156 vs. $2,063 for the Elite Folio).
If you like the form factor but want a beefy Intel 11th Gen H-series processor with NVIDIA RTX graphics, the Acer ConceptD 7 Ezel series is your answer. It's a much larger laptop weighing around 5.5 pounds (2.5kg) with a 15.6-inch display and starts around $2,500, but it presents the same flexible 2-in-1 design as the Elite Folio. However, it lacks 4G or 5G options.
HP also offers its Elite Dragonfly Gen 2 or MAX variants. Both are slightly more expensive but offer Intel processors, 4G/5G options, are also very light.
For more ideas, see our best Windows 10 LTE laptops for our top recommendations.
Nothing like it
Should you buy the HP Elite Folio?
Who it's for
- You need 4G or 5G on a Windows PC
- Professionals who value high-quality, light, adaptive, mobile computing
- You want a device with excellent pen support
- People who need very good battery life
Who it isn't for
- The best performance in an Ultrabook
- People who don't like using dongles for ports
- Those who are just fine with Wi-Fi
The HP Elite Folio is a great evolution. It seems like HP merged what it learned from its very well-designed Envy x2 and Specter Folio into this new Elite Folio. It was worth the wait.
What sets the Elite Folio apart from everything else is the very distinctive form factor. It's a design we may see more of as even Microsoft has a patent for something similar. It works, too, and is a much better iteration of the ubiquitous 360-degree hinge PCs we have now. The angle for inking is better, the ability to transform without lifting the laptop, the pen built into the keyboard deck — it solves all the issues that 360 devices have without any tradeoffs.
But, like all Qualcomm-based ARM PCs, the issue comes down to app compatibility. Thankfully, that issue is fading, especially as we race towards Windows 11 this October (the Elite Folio qualifies for the free upgrade). With 64-bit app-emulation and more apps offering ARM64 compatibility, things will only get better.
Who should buy the Elite Folio? It's aimed at the executive who needs email, Microsoft Office, web browsing, pen support, communication abilities (Teams, Slack, Zoom, Skype), and always needs to be connected to the internet. Like many other ARM PCs, the Elite Folio is for light computing with long battery life and 4G or 5G abilities.
There are only a few drawbacks to the Elite Folio. One of those is the price — it's absurdly high. Of course, being aimed at fat-cat executives and high-end business types is likely less of an issue. Still, it's not a bargain. The other is the glossy display and opening the Elite Folio with two hands, small nitpicks.
Another issue is Qualcomm Snapdragon ARM processors need to get better and faster. The gap between it and Intel is narrowing, disfavoring Qualcomm. While I enjoy using Windows on ARM PCs, the value prop is dwindling, especially when the price is this high.
The crucial takeaway, however, is the Elite Folio's design — it's exceptional. HP would be well served to continue to evolve this form factor, especially with its excellent keyboards and quality hardware. Such a device stands to benefit whatever Qualcomm releases next to add even more performance.
Bottom line: HP Elite Folio is a significant step forward for always-connected ARM-powered laptops. With an excellent display, keyboard, and superior 2-in-1 design, the Elite Folio is perfect for those who need light computing and an all-day battery. Just be wary of the high price.
Daniel Rubino is the Editor-in-chief of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft since 2007 when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, laptops, next-gen computing, and for some reason, watches. Before all this tech stuff, he worked on a Ph.D. in linguistics, watched people sleep (for medical purposes!), and ran the projectors at movie theaters because it was fun.
Gorgeous looking laptop. I have to agree though, as a Pro X user, I think the Surface is a fine machine. I can't work out why they're so expensive, though. Windows on Arm needs a steep price drop to reach the masses. A WoA Surface Go would be a good start.
From what I heard, it's not Qualcomm setting the price, or rather, making them so high, but the OEMs, who seem to be keeping them high either to recoup dev costs or because they know it's a niche play right now. I've heard Qualcomm doesn't necessarily love these price points. Samsung Galaxy Book Go (review coming soon) is the first truly competitive ARM PC, imo, at least for price.
I bet they're not. Seems its done because they're niche but they're niche in part because of the eye wateringly high price. Galaxy Book Go. Oh wow sounds exciting. Surface Book Go really should've had ARM.
Price was the only reason I didn't suggest my Mum gets a Windows on ARM PC. All she uses her laptop for is Chrome and Outlook Desktop, she'd be happy with Edge once I'd shown her. Nothing that doesn't run better on ARM PCs. The Samsung Galaxy Book Go looks great, cheap finally too. 399 with 4GB RAM or 499 with 8GB RAM here in The UK at least.
It's a shame the screen is weaker as I wanted to replace my Surface Pro X for this, but... Bloody hell is SO expensive. I know it's for businesses and not me but really, this much!
For me and many the benefits of Windows on ARM far outweigh the negatives. They're getting a bad reputation because of let's face it judgey techies who these devices probably aren't intended for anyway. If you're all about performance it's clear in the Windows space ARM isn't yet for you anyway. Average users use a web browser, maybe Microsoft Office and maybe they game (*). The lack of Google Chrome is a major problem, although Edge is exactly the same so show users and they'll be happy. Price was the only reason I didn't suggest my Mum gets a Windows on ARM PC! For me the "problems" amount to: 1. A delay first opening EverNote, then it's fine
2. A delay first opening Skype, then it's fine.
3. A laggy Spotify. But Spotify is laggy on Intel, so this is part of the problem. And I can't currently run: 1. Facebook Messenger for Windows (64-Bit)
2. WhatsApp 64-Bit (so can't make/receive calls), but the web app has feature parity except calls. These apps run beautifully: 1. Edge (ARM)
2. Microsoft 365 (ARM)
3. VLC (ARM)
4. Adobe Photoshop Elements 11 (Emulated)
5. All my Web Apps So yes there are problems but for the average user (I'd say Daniel's use case is "average user") the issues have been blown well out of proportion. If you Game (*) or use Adobe Apps, ARM isn't for you. But I've not seen anyone review Photoshop or Lightroom for Windows on ARM yet. So actually the Adobe app issue is a lot better since May 2021 than it was. The benefits however: 1. Super lightweight.
2. No fans.
3. Never runs more than warm.
3. Consistent battery life. We've all seen high battery numbers on Intel/AMD but I've never found them to be consistent. All these irritate me when I use my work 201 Dell business laptop. The battery goes from 3 hours to 6 hours, the point is it's not consistent. Found the same on my Surface Pro X. I do have the 16GB Surface Pro X. The laggy Spotify is the only thing that bothers me, and it doesn't bother me much.
Great summary and you're right. If there were a few more mid-range prices from$750 - $900, even if this is slightly high, the battery life and typical use pattern of most people make these things awesome. They last so long and waking up and getting to browse or use an Office app so quickly is really spot on.
Typo corrections: * 2019 Dell * I found the same on my Surface 4
Very well said.
Even though Intel is really making strides in battery life, 9 hours with LTE connected is still very competitive. Native x64 emulation in Win11 will surely help. Not long ago I would have killed someone for a device like this but now they're becoming real. Nice review as always.
I'm already getting that with the Surface Pro X SQ1 so yes, all-day battery life on LTE on real workloads is possible. I've gotten used to such a thin machine being a full-on PC that I don't look forward to using other work laptops.
Until I can get something with the power and price like an iPad Air I wont be buying into the WoA system. After seeing how well Apple is executing it does not make sense to settle for the crap PC vendors and Qualcomm are coming up with.
What are you running on your iPad Air??
It's interesting to see YouTube reviewers panning the M1 iPad Air. It has plenty of CPU and GPU performance and an amazing screen but it's hamstrung by iPadOS' limited multitasking capability. These Windows on ARM devices have much less performance, at least in terms of benchmark numbers, but their ability to run old and new Windows and Linux programs is amazing.
Running software isn’t amazing. It is minimum requirement for a Windows machine.
Running software is a "minimum requirement" for any operating system. iPadOS is holding iPads back too.
iPads run iPad software near flawlessly. Can’t say the same for WoA machines.
There is less than a dozen Windows or Linux software that is pleasant to use on a Tablet. Apple makes A14 and M1 work not because of the chip, but because they changed their whole OS to run around the chip down to every last corner of it. Windows and Linux doesn't even have the most basic element such as a customizable Touchscreen Gestures for their OS. iPad OS 15 despite all its flaws and disappointments, is the best Tablet PC OS in the market because Apple committed to attracting the right people who have the talent to make it work.
First problem, Surface Pro X and HP Elite Folio are not tablets. They're tablet PCs and as such you're not expected or use them the same way you do iPadOS or Android. You just don't. "is the best Tablet PC OS in the market because Apple committed to attracting the right people who have the talent to make it work." Sucks at anything more than YouTube or Netflix and Apple knows this. People have ben asking for Final Cut Pro for years.
Lol is that why everyone uses an ipad for work in almost every industry minus engineering?
It's more fashion than use. An M1 isn't needed for email, but the status is nice, and then one has work pay for the personal app use. If an iPad is all one needs for work, Chromebooks should be issued as a cost effective option.
I have met quite a lot of people using and liking ipads but almost none of them do serious work on them, mainly reading emails, making some notes, watching videos and reading articles or such. I saw one guy using Excel (he had a large ~13 inch ipad). They buy a Windows laptop/tablet or Macbook for more serious work.
iPad is my primary work device. I use it for almost everything including writing, office, communications, brainstorming, journaling, researching, and finance. If you folks really believe that iPads are nothing more than toys, well then, I should say that it's not for the likes of you. For me, Windows makes a great play device, fit for consuming content and playing games. I CAN use it for work and sometimes even need it for some apps that aren't available yet on iPad OS, but I much prefer my iPad to work on.
"Windows and Linux doesn't even have the most basic element such as a customizable Touchscreen Gestures for their OS."Windows 11 has this.
Hopefully. In Windows 10, the fact that "right click / context menu" for the File Explorer is '1 finger long press' while the same action for the Edge Brower is '2 finger short tap' and that Google Chrome accepts 'both gestures' is astounding to me. I have used Touch on Windows since 2012 and I feel the basic inconsistencies haven't been touched by MS for 9 years, let alone being discussed by their devs as an issue. The fact that you have to set up a keyboard macro app like AutoHotkey, and then install another 3rd party app like GestureSign to get basic Touchscreen Navigation working on a unified OS level is sad to see. Sad because most users aren't tech enthusiasts like us, won't bother to go through the hassle, and probably just get an iPad instead, leaving Windows to continually lose market share of Touch-enabled PCs. Even if Windows 11 does improve, I highly doubt MS will force every big 3rd party software to update or release new versions of their apps to use a unified Touch Input and Display system, the way Apple enforces. Which means every single app I use ranging from old Windows 7 era to recently made UWP apps are going to battle each other in how they function. This kind of issue is already all too common in Windows 10 (in forms of program crashes, memory leaks, power drain, CPU spikes, or system-breaking bugs), and it will take a whole lot more effort than adding "shiny brand new features" to iron out completely.
Exactly. The reality is both iPad Pro and Surface Pro X/WoA have an "app problem". People just don't expect to do more on their iPad Pro than watch YouTube or Netflix on it. Its a rich boys waste of money.
Comparing an iPad Air with its hamstrung iPadOS is a strange comparison. It's so odd to me people give Apple huge leeway when iPad Pros/Airs are now so held back by an OS that's not up to the job. Look at the iPad Pro 2021. It has a desktop class processor and does literally nothing with it. iPadOS can only access 4GB RAM. So those 8GB and 16GB models are merely marketing. Fair enough on the price but all that power is wasted on iPad Airs.
The 4GB limit is gone in iPadOS 15. Try again. Also, there is no iPad Air with an M1. The latest model has an A14 and 4GB RAM. Try again.
They should not even bother to sell ARM devices without a mobile connection option, which is one of the platform's biggest benefits. I wonder if the HP without the SIM slot still has esim compatibility. When I bought the Surface Pro X, I didn't think I would have any need to use a SIM, but I have quickly found out that it is amazing to not have to rely on WIFI networks at coffee shops and the like when I am away from a stable connection. I agree with Daniel, ARM is getting better and better. I never really had an issue because most of the day to day apps I use are optimized for ARM or 32 bit, but these Windows 11 builds seem to have considerable performance gains around the board. If it wasn't for gaming, I would be really worried at Intel or AMD, but gaming is what will keep x86 the dominant processor for years to come.
I love my Surface Pro X data connection. So frustrating dealing with public wifi. Often Public wifi is slow so using a VPN on top of a already slow network makes it unbearable. I don't understand HP selling one without the data connection part.
Reality is for many you're paying for a chip you'll never use. I'll never use it on my Surface Pro X because I don't want to pay for two mobile tariffs and my phone works fine as a hotspot.
"I would be really worried at Intel or AMD, but gaming is what will keep x86 the dominant processor for years to come." The thing people forget when bashing WoA is MacBooks suck at gaming, Intel Core i3 PCs suck a gaming but no one rights of either platform. A PC doesn't have to be a powerhouse to be useful still.
The comments on the "Linus Tech Tips" review of this laptop says everything about what a terrible failure of a product this is. 1/10 stars from me. Even if it wasn't I would NEVER buy a Qualcomm product out of sheer principle. I'm more excited for Exynos and Mediatek chips and how they aim to compete against Apple Silicon.
I'll take my review over YouTube comments any day. And the audience for LTT, mostly gaming nerds in their 20s-30s, is hardly the demographic for this device.
What is the demographic that wants to buy a fraction of the performance of a similar Apple device at nearly twice the cost? That has to be a tiny demographic.
You have to make your workflow fit with MacOS or iPadOS, if you want that M1 goodness. A lot of commenters look at benchmarks without looking at what the computer is actually used for. Yes, the Qualcomm 8cx or Microsoft SQ gets massacred by the M1 in benchmarks. No, I don't give a damn because I can run almost all the Windows software that I could run on an Intel or AMD machine, whereas switching to Apple would require switching out my workflow.
@ blueberrymerry: Exactly. Me too. You should be asking "what do I want from a computer", not "what numbers does it give back by some largely pointless benchmarking app".
You have to make your workflow fit with WoA as well. It isn’t full Windows.
- Microsoft employees
- People who write about Windows for a living
No, not all people who write about Windows are shills.
@ bleached: What is a similar device to the Surface Pro X or HP Elite Folio made by Apple? There isn't one. Sitting here watching my apps fly on my Surface Pro X thanks.
Glad you are ok buying a a 3 year old Snapdragon (855), with $300 performance, for $1500+. I remember when it was Apple that massively over-priced their devices.
"What is a similar device to the Surface Pro X or HP Elite Folio made by Apple? There isn't one." You're joking, right? The Surface X is Microsoft's attempt to have something like an iPad Pro. The new M1 iPad Pros are WAY faster than the Surface X. The 2018 iPad Pros with the A12 are faster than a Surface X. I know because I had/have all 3. If you think "apps fly" on the X, you need to get out more. I had an X this time last year. 16GB/512GB. If you could manage to run all native stuff on it (which is impossible) it is still nowhere near as fast as an iPad Pro. Even Notepad is still X86. Portions of the OS are still emulated. While Edge browser is native ARM, the stupid update service that is constantly running - checking for Edge updates - was (still is?) X86. That is beyond stupid and completely unacceptable. "World's largest software company" indeed. All of which kills the battery life. I can't imagine trying to run emulated X64 stuff on it. I sold it after about 2 months, VERY disappointed. I kept the 2018 iPad Pro. I just got a new M1 iPad Pro, 13". 16GB/1TB. This thing is seriously fast. With the keyboard, it is everything MS wishes the X was. MS certainly wishes the surface line sold as well as iPads.
This guy is a troll, you can safely ignore him.
Linus isn't the demographic for Windows on ARM devices, yet. He simply doesn't understand the product. The thing people forget when bashing WoA is MacBooks suck at gaming, Intel Core i3 PCs suck a gaming but no one rights off either platform.
Glossy display's on laptops and tablets need to die already, they aren't good, they never have been, just stop.
I love my iPad's glossy screen, because Apple knows how to get anti-glare glossy display done right. I've seen a lot of matte displays from people around me who use windows laptops and they look mostly worse compared to my iPad.
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$1600+ for a machine running a 3 year old Snapdragon 855? Why are you praising this at all and not calling Microsoft out for this garbage? Come on Daniel, are you serious? Why isn’t this running the SD888+? For $1600!
"The future of ultra-light convertible PCs should look like this". Maybe LOOK like this. But they definitely need to perform WAY better than this. This is barely faster than the Surface Go 2. "It's aimed at the executive who needs email, Microsoft Office, web browsing, pen support, communication abilities (Teams, Slack, Zoom, Skype), and always needs to be connected to the internet." Any modern phone can do all of the above for way less. Or an iPad for way less. Or both for about the same price as this overpriced turkey. Both will run circles around this slow laptop, because everything is running natively on ARM. Unlike Windows and Windows apps.
This form factor, durability, productivity arguably, even serviceability etc is much better than that of an ipad. But I do agree with the SoC, though it seems like Qualcomm next models can make some strives in that regard.
HP still make it difficult to buy these things. In the Swiss HP store I cannot even find it. Does anyone know how to buy this in Europe?
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