Microsoft shows off Windows 10 on ARM in action

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Myerson Windows 10 (Image credit: Daniel Rubino / Windows Central)

In a pre-recorded video released for Build 2017, Microsoft has demoed Windows 10 on ARM. Over the video's 13 minutes, Microsoft employees Hari Pulapaka and Arun Kishan go through different aspects of Windows 10 on ARM, demonstrating it will be able to do the same things and run the same apps you're used to on Windows 10 now. Check out the demo below:

What's particularly interesting throughout the demo is that Windows 10 on ARM is shown not only running Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps natively but standard x86 Win32 applications as well, via an emulation layer. Essentially, you get the same full desktop experience from Windows 10, only running on Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 processor. If you're up for diving into the development weeds, the video also gives us a deep dive into how its x86 Win32 emulation works.

We also get a look at the ARM device powering the demo, but there's not much to see; it's simply a black box meant for engineering purposes. Once Windows 10 on ARM devices start shipping, they'll be as 2-in-1s, laptops and more. According to recent word from Qualcomm, we should expect to get our first look at Windows 10 on ARM PCs in Q4 of this year.

Dan Thorp-Lancaster

Dan Thorp-Lancaster is the former Editor-in-Chief of Windows Central. He began working with Windows Central, Android Central, and iMore as a news writer in 2014 and is obsessed with tech of all sorts. You can follow Dan on Twitter @DthorpL and Instagram @heyitsdtl

227 Comments
  • Just... WoA! (Windows on ARM)
  • That has a double meaning...
  • Woa... Amazing
  • I want this on a phone dammit.  Not a laptop or 2 in 1.  I want a phone that does this all, and docks into a desktop, laptop, or two in one, so I can have one damn device to do it all.  Until this is all on a 6" or smaller device, it makes zero diff to me, because I'll still need to have a phone AND a two in one/laptop.
  • Yes, this is when I buy a windows phone.
  • ALL HAIL THESE TWO INDIANS!!
    Hari & Arun! ヽ(´ー`)ノ
  • In the current political climate these two could easily be deported for something like undertipping or opening someone else's mail by mistake. I wonder if the big tech firms have an agreement not to snitch on each others' employees
  • Just.. Windows on windows*
  • Its raining Microsoft....All..day...long..!!
  • I can't wait to see the innovative hardware that will come from this.
  • Exactly my point! This opens lot of hardware opportunities to be tapped..... Windows gets broader with ARM.
  • Yes....Windows will have greater reach...... with ARM....
  • Yeah but could do with some 'legs' as well ! 😊
  • Oh my goodness, Microsoft maybe knocking it out of the park with this renewed introduction. The OEMs now will be able to build a full range of devices that runs on a full range of processors from ARMS to Intel/AMD. Folks, that is a true definition of a "wide gamut" and with one OS. Folks, this also allows and OEM to bring inventions to market...
  • Hope they make a 6" version and built in dial pad
  • Like what?
  • The 835 is significantly smaller & cheaper than it's Intel counterpart. It also includes a modem that supports just about every cellular technology, with 2.4, 5 & 60 GHz Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 5.0, GPS, NFC, USB 3.1, 16 MP dual camera, 32 MP camera, 4K Ultra HD display & recording, audio, quick charge and wireless charging.
    That's a lot of features on smaller & cheaper processor than Intel's without any of these features. This will free up a lot of real estate inside current devices, allow creative OEM's to think outside the box with different for factors while being able to produce lower priced than what we currently see with Intel based devices. I'm positive we'll see a flood of devices within a year or so below $150 maybe even low-end under $100.
  • Imagine Windows on ARM with telephony... We are back in the game guys!!!
  • That will be real Windows phone with Continuum... hopefully! Then I might be able to convince a few people to buy into a phone running Windows.
  • I dunno, when they mentioned that vendors would be relseasing products this year, they said laptops, 2 in 1s.  The lack of Mobile in that reference was deafening... :(
  • But the possibility of mobile is real.
  • 2 in 1s Phone with keyboard lol. But they will come with cellular connectivity so why not 6 inch version in your pocket which you take out when in need of making a call?
  • Actually there was no lack of mobile. Just the smartphone endpoints were not WM10 devices.
  • This is especially a move for Microsoft when Intel announced to no longer invest into their low power factor, Atom counterparts...this situation left MS with no where to go...they have been losing to ARM OS's and now here is a chance to catch up...I hope there is an upgrade for my 950xl...hopefully, it will be juicy enough to run this. I bet, Intel is not too happy about this...it limits their future significantly...perhaps they will simply go back to making traffic lights and such.
    cheers,
    SEADRIVe
  • You said it yourself, Intel did this to themselves by killing the Atom.  Their most power efficient processor that didn't really perform well in my opinion.  There are alot of benefits from going with an ARM processor, but for something that requires more power, Intel/AMD processors will always perform better.
  • I'm quite sure they killed it because it would still be a half arsed solution. Atom would never have been a real alternative to arm. They are 100% sure developing a competing processor secretly.
  • Can't be all that innovative. There's no ARM64 support, which...why? The only choice for compilation is "ARM", and they clearly pointed out that ARM code is 32-bit. I mean, if you're giving up on the current crop of phones and not releasing updates anymore, why even bother with 32-bit ARM? Now would have been the time for Microsoft to move to ARM64, especially since WoA only works on 64-bit chips... SMH
  • Maybe I dont understand this but they showed 64bit Windows 10 installed on a Snapdragon 820 last year.
  • They had this coming for a long time, there was a video last year showing full photoshop running on ARM processors, glad it finally got into the final stage, now let's hope we'll see some great devices.
  • Lighter, thinner, Surface 5 with LTE?
  • And Surface Phone as well 😉
  • Lol. Don't hold your breath.... But, inhale, and exhale, several times, and one might appear with time.
  • The beauty is we do not need to solely rely on Microsoft for that, HP should be even more readily to push one out for their business clients.
  • Business clients....
  • Surface PocketPC
  • Again after 20 years.
  • I had a HP Pocket PC back in I think 1999.  You know, I could do things with it back then that are still not possible on an iPhone.
  • Yeah I can see windows mobile going back to how it was in the original wimo days a mobile version of Windows but docked will become a full windows pc? Also I wonder if we could put this on a Surface or Surface 2?
  • I think you skipped the Surface 4.
  • Now bring on the hardware MS.
  • Oh I can't forget the WinHEC keynote and remember when QualComms EVP held up his HP Elite x3 and said this is the exact same device & chipset seen in Microsoft's demo video. Been a long time fan of Risc and loved the DEC Alpha's we had at work. Microosft and ARM have been working together since the early 90's (Apple a bit longer) but it's nice to know devices will be shipping soon.
  • Microosft and ARM have been working together since the early 90's (Apple a bit longer)
    OMG!  ROFL! Just...No.  ARM was started by Apple, VLSI and Acorn in 1993, and Apple was the majority shareholder in it until the early 2000's.  Microsoft didn't support ARM processors until 1997 with Windows CE 2.0, and the preferred processors were still MIPS and SHx unti the mid-2000's. Microsoft's forays into RISC have always been more of veiled threats towards Intel than actual support.  Get your history right.
  • Actually... the ARM acronym was used by Acorn Computers long before it's *Advanced RISC Machine joint venture with Apple incorporated in 1990. Not 1993.
    *I stand corrected. ARM began working with Microsoft in the mid 90's (1997) not early 90's...  I truly apologize for the grief a couple years may have caused. I posted this at 2am I'm glad I didn't go out on that limb with specific dates.. lol
  • Can people really still not see MS positioning the pieces for a Pocket Surface device? This is incredible really. I would love to see a foldable Pocket device that can make phone calls and text with this. It's this full OS that can really set a Pocket Surface apart from the current limited Mobile OS we have now.
  • It's been just around the corner for a long time. A looooong time. A looooooooooooooooong time. Anyway, once fully realized, the really great thing about it is that it won't go unsupported due to a lack of adoption. If it's just running Windows 10, it will just get Windows 10 updates! At least that's how I hope you're thinking about this MS.
  • This kind of device will have to complement current smartphones not replace them. Majority of consumers wont see any use of it. It would only be useful in enterprise. Funny how fanboys say that most ppl don't need x86 applications as W10S was launched and now they say having X86 on phone will kill ios and android. Not gonna happen. These arm devices will only supplement phones. Only chance of MS making a come back to consumer phones us if w10 store gets traction
  • I like how people come to Windows Central and call Windows Fans, Fan boys.
  • I have not yet called wsheep. I reserve it for extreme ones ;)
  • I like windows I still use a windows phone n hv 2 w10 laptops but I don't get any crazy ideas abt how woa will pave way for surface phone and how it will decimate android and ios instantly
  • Is this like sarcasm?
  • I think this will replace tablets, not phones. This plus a smart TV or a headset and the laptop/tablet is done.
  • On second thought I think this will give tablets in much more broader use because just like how they had demoed on stage that they intend to use a pen to operate the entire operating system. now with such an operating system there is a much broader use for productivity, content consumption and much more so I think tablets will gain more traction, especially. 2 in 1
  • Why should it kill anything? Always those absolute statements. The best thing for everybody would be 33% for every os.
  • techiez, it will replace the need for many to buy a phone and a PC. More and more people are just using phones instead of buying a PC or laptop. If they could have both more people will choose a two in one phone. I think it will leave Android out in the cold.
  • Ok, let me put it this way, for an avg user who doesnt need a PC and is using Phone as his only computing device, Apps are all he needs and infact better suited to his needs, you would be amazed on how may useful apps are on the store.  the kind of ppl excited by W32 apps on phones are not the ones who just need phone as a computing device, that audience is mutually exclusive.
  • Why complement phones? If you can have a mobile pc that makes calls. Sure some people may want just basic phone apps. We see that with tablets. Some people still use the basic Ipads and Androids tablets. But Windows 10 tablets are now the biggest selling tablets. Showing most people want more than the basic app function. There is absolutely a big market for a Pocket PC device if done properly. And the Surface team did that with redefining the tablet. Betting against them redefining Mobiles is stupid in my opinion.
  • Are u sure that Windows 10 tables are the biggest selling tablets? Apple is still leading tablet sales in terms of sales figures. Surface pros and 2in1s are only replacing laptops. and are being used by pro users.   Current smartphones and tablets(non windows) have become part of lifestyle(social media, games etc) surface pros and other windows are work related and for pros, X86 apps will make enterprise play stonger but wont overlap into consumer space where users see them as part of lifestyle and where they would use it in their leisure personal time.
  • I didn't say Surface. Windows 10 tablets as a whole ( which use include 2in1s far outsell ipad. IPad has declined 2 years in a row in sales. Whereas Windows 10 tablets have increased sales every year since inception.
  • You're wasting your time with this guy, Smartphones are going to die, so yes we need this kind of devices, that's all...
  • windows 10 tablets are replacing laptops yes, I agree and the reason is tey are easy to carry around than a laptop.but same is not true for a phone sized pocket PC, as it would need a monitor, keyboard etc and then use it via continuum, a tablet form factor still beats this usecase. anyone who thinks smartphones are dead is kidding themselves. with windows 10 productivity devices are gaining ground, but personal space is still far, only a developer interest in store would help reverse that, X86 will not. btw whatever usecase u imagine, fit me, I have 2 laptops and spend most of my active time thr and dont use snapchat etc,hence I still use a W10M but I also know this doesnt suit majority of the population invested in android and ios.
  • Why would you need continuum??? A 6" device with a screen on the front for finger use with quick access to phone calls, texts Facebook messages etc. Then it folds out to a 10" display on the inside with a ds style pen for full Windows 10 with a nice Surface kick stand. Load up steam, watch your movies on a bigger screen. Finish your power point presentation all without the need of any other device. All on your Pocket Surface device. It baffles me why people don't think outside their existing boxes. Progression doesn't happen without thought.
  • yaay, hyperloop will kill aeroplanes and trains.   On a serious note, stop listening to Jason Ward,1st gen foldable devices will be obnoxious devices, far from what u imagine.
  • So you're saying any future foldable device will be obnoxious?  Do you have access to one?  Will you say the same thing when Samsung releases theirs? 
  • I didnt say MS foldable devices, I included all, that includes Samsung. Mary Jo alreayd mentioned based on her sources from MS that foldable devices are atleast 2-3 yr away, yet ppl here expect release by this year end. and if and once they release and would be buggy and horrible everyone(fans) would say its MS so wait for 3rd gen of the devices.
  • So? Enterprise is a much more valuable and loyal (also consistent) slice of the market. More than those crying always blaming consumers. In this exact moment msft need people that need to make their job done, not bimbokids that want to play pokemon go.
  • Exactly, the only thing i do with my smartphone is playing some games, but when i need to get things done, my Laptop is the one i trust...
  • Bit what if you had access to full steam on a pocket device? No current mobile games come anywhere close to Steam games. And its library.
  • I'd imagine Company of heros 2 not being very enjoyable on a phone.  Would an ARM processor even be able to handle it?
  • And people said that the iPhone will never be good enough to replace MP3/iPod's/Cameras/GPS...  
  • ...  
  • The key is whether MS can make good on their patented foldable screen.  A successful pocket DISPLAY design is as important as pocket PC itself.  That will determine whether it deserves to be a successful new mobile category. 
  • They may get beaten to a foldable device by Samsung. Samsung is also getting extremely close to a foldable mobile device.
  • Let assume they do, what will they running? Android? Their own OS?  It's a joke...
  • Completely missing the point. What good is Android on a foldable device? The point of the larger interior screen is it suits a FULL OS. Not replicate what mobiles already do but on a foldable screen. That isn't progress mobile computing in the slightest. However. I do believe Samsung will bring out a foldable Pocket device. But it won't be running Android. It will be running Windows 10 ARM. folding out your Samsung, loading up Steam and playing Steam games. Nothing Android can do even comes close to Steam.
  • I hope Microsoft isn't asking for more than they can chew. With all the OEMs that support Windows 10 it's hard to imagine all the devices they will be building to set themselves apart. This will be a developers fantasy land come true. We are not talking skimpy apps either because the same app will be able to scale from handheld to AR-VR to TV. A developer can make some real dough and I think some are already envisioning it. We maybe complaining store is to loaded and slow.
  • Wow
  • Windows phone is dead folks. Ms will not produce hardware
  • This isn't Windows Phone.
  • I think they will, but they won't sell it as a phone.  They'll sell it as an Ultra Mobile PC that can also make phone calls.  I expect a new Surface later in the year to basically create a new device category that the other hardware manufacturers will follow.  They'll sell them with eSims so you can choose carriers on the fly - and I would not be surprised if you can port your number into Skype to allow for true multiplatform phone usage using data only.   HP, Lenovo, Dell, etc will follow with similar form factors.  Ultra Mobile PCs that can replace your smartphone or play nice with your smartphone - your choice.  
  • This. This is exactly what is about to happen. The Surface team will bring out a Pocket Surface device that will pave the way for a new device and the OEMs will follow just like they did with Surface Pro. Windows now lead Tablet sales even though people said they wouldn't. I don't see why a new device wouldn't make serious waves when hits with a full OS.
  • Should also know this is why mobile DATA is the biggest deal.  The Carriers are not going to be doing much with phone and SMS going forward.  They will just be selling mobile data and they may end up having to do it in a competitive atmosphere where they have to price against each other in a place like the Windows Store.   This also means the days of carrier financed hardware may come to an end too.  It's all a matter of breaking the upgrade cycle and turning the market into what the PC market looks like where users buy the hardware outright or the seller comes up with a financing deal.  So you can go to Best Buy and get an 18 month, zero interest deal on a new product, etc.
  • This. My carrier just announced that my mobile data allowance wil go from 20gb to 50gb. Pair this with a all out Ultra Mobile PC (or whichever that category will be labeled) and I will barely use my Desktop PC anymore; probably only gaming and 3D modeling/animation/rendering. Instead I will carry a surface mouse and a foldable keyboard with me to do all the usual things on a pocket sized PC that I literally use everywhere for everything. I do this with my L950xl already.
  • MS clearly aren't looking to phones anymore. A pocket device is coming. That's obvious at least to me with this information. But it will be a pocket PC that makes calls and texts. Rather than a phone that runs some apps.
  • What does WP have to do with this?
  • It Microsoft making history, full Window 10 on a phone/pocketed PC. No one has done this before. The ability to run win32 programs on your mobile device plus your apps on ARM. This could take market share from Apple and Google for sure. Think a device that can do the same things that your computer can do while you are on the go plus make calls all while running full OS.
  • Microsoft has remained silent with ARM and because there is no hardware for Insider builds to test with, Microsoft must be using WP to help work out the final bugs in apps such as Phone or with Bluetooth, WiFi etc. that could be installed on Windows 10 for ARM devices.
  • Yep, as jay_max has stated This. Is. Not. Windows Phone. MS will produce new hardware for Windows on Arm, including the Surface Phone or whatever they decide to name it.
  • So the makers of the GPD Win device will.
  • You must be blind if you don't see the potential of Windows 10 ARM on a phone.  If you ever tried Continuum on Windows Mobile you probably should have known it could not run win 32 apps, but Windows 10 ARM will so if Microsoft makes a phone with Windows 10 ARM it will be my next phone.
  • I blame Windows Central for encouraging you trolls to come here.... Why in the world would they want to hear y'all's BS?
  • Who are you directing this at?
  • MS will not produce hardware !
    .......other than, mouse, keyboards, Xbox, Surface, Surface Book, Surface Laptop.
    Other than all those, they do not produce hardware!
  • Windows Phone is dead. Long live Windows 10 (which will run everywhere, including your fridge).
  • Windows smartphones are not dead yet. THEY ARE JUST NOT SELLING WELL. Satya said it's OEM PARTNERS are MAKING THEM AND INDICATED THAT MICROSOFT WOULD MAKE PHONES THAT DO NOT LOOK  LIKE PHONES OUT IN THE MARKET PLACE . 2 patents have been shown on the internet showing Microsft is making a fold able single screen or fold able dual screen Mini Tablet. I think Microsoft will make a new Surface fold-able Mini Tablet smartphone hybrid that runs a combo OS of Windows 10 Mobile and Windows 10 on ARMS soft ware. This device will run current Windows 10 Mobile smart phones Apps , any UWP Apps and full x86Win32 desktop PC Apps. The question is will the Surface Mini fold able Tablet  be a pocket able dual 6 inch screen device or small pocket-able foldable single screen device. The fold able -2 screen foldable Microsoft patent"  looks like TWO  7 to 8 inch screens that fold to make a single 7 to 8 inch screen device. a person could use one screen to edit a document  or play a game or control a machine interface that's on the other screen. By using 2 screens this way it's not so nescessary to have to dock up to a larger screen Monitor unless People want to  
  • x86 on ARM.  Emulated should be fine.  Curious to push limits.  Would Elder Scrolls Online run? :D  Seriously, though, this is going to do some interesting things for price points. Cool!
  • Depending on the hardware...
  • This has me wondering too, since the Atom based GPD Win 5.5 inch hand-held gaming device can run Xbox 360 / PS3 equivalent PC games fairly well.
    If last gen PC games run well on Window on ARM, a Windows on ARM Phone could (and most likely will) turn on lot of heads. Why should young adults settle for Pokémon GO or Mario Run when they could play Grand Theft Auto 5 on the go?
  • The 835 should smoke the Atom x5 Z8330 in very way but it's no i5 or i7
  • All hail Natella!!
  • *Nuttela
    *Nadella
  • Nut no more?
  • They better not take another 5 years working on it before releasing for production. If they do, it will be another DOA.
  • Why? Because Apple and Google are not in the position to bring a full OS to mobile tech. Google haven't got a full OS. And Apple would need to do the development and research to bring OSX to ARM. MS have been working on this for 5+ years. Add to that only MS have the billions of Win 32 apps foe their OS. IOS and Android might have more Phone apps. But MS have billions and billions more Win 32 apps compatible with Windows than Apple or Google.
  • I agree. They've been working on this since they launched Window RT. At least!
  • Lots longer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinWin
  • Nobody NEEDS a full blown OS on phones. Current use cases are satisfied by iPhone and Android apps.
  • You really don't get it techiez do you. It's that you can plug this "phone" into a monitor and it will work just the same as your PC does now but only on 4GLTE and later on 5G. Say goodbye to Wi-Fi.
  • Who is using the cheap 200-300 $ laptops for their work, any relatively pro user would quickly be dissatisfied with the speed issues, and they are still powerful than the most powerful mobile processors out there, if all u want is a browser and texting then sure continuum would work, for any complex scenario, I for one would prefer to have a laptop. " it will work just the same as your PC " is atleast a few yrs (5-10)away.
  • I wouldn't say 5-10 years... Maybe 2 more chipsets away... So, they are probably working on the SD 840, then after that the 845... There's no telling how powerful a SD 845 could be, and that's two years off, at best.
  • Not everyone needs a high powered laptop.  80% of the company I work for are on thin clients.  With a highly portable device they will now be able to dock it at their desk and then take their work with them home.
  • I'm sure Dell is thinking just that with Wyse
  • These tablets or laptops will have that same processing speed as an $950 iPhone or $850 S8 and some OEM's will probably delivery at a fraction of the price. I feel students and the mobile workforce will seriously consider this option because you can't do much on a phone. Also, using some Continuum or desktop/tablet hybrid with a docking station will be helpful at home or the office. If this takes off, I'm sure ARM partners will create faster processors for larger form factors.
  • Everyone said exactly the same thing when MS designed the Surface Pro tablet. Now look where we are. Windows 10 is the biggest selling tablets in the world. But people said Ipads and androids tablets were all everyone wanted in a tablet device.
  • Sure do. Always challenge status quo! There are so many positiv effects to a full blown OS on a ultra mobile device; what most these days label as Smartphones. With my L950xl I already use it for most of the things I do digitally and bare use my laptop anymore as I can just plug the phone into the dock on my desk or connect via MiraCast and have a mouse and keyboard ready. If MS comes up with a device that has the same form factor as a smartphone of phablet which can expand its screen it would be unbeatable for me and an instant buy.
  • A full blown OS on an ultramobile device. you mean PC sticks?? They do exactly what u say, connect with a monitor, keyboard and mouse and u get a full blown OS, The need for additional components such as monitor/TV, input devices is what makes this unattractive, I would take a surface pro over a continuum based device anytime.    
  • Lol, you're just using any opportunity to make a point.  A really bad one at that.  What use will your PC stick be when you put it in your pocket?  Will you also carry a monitor, keyboard, mouse, car battery and inverter along with you? I love my Surface Pro, but there's no arguing which is more portable between a 5-6" foldable device.
  • Can't make a phone call, txt, gps, bt, media device, camera, write emails, etc with a pc stick. Think more like a smartphone + pc stick all in one.
  • I find this comment funny coming from a guy with the name "techiez"
  • Apple does not need to do a whole lot to make ARM run on macOS (OSX as a name is obsolete) because of the way the OS was built and designed. All MacOS X versions (now I am referencing the old names of older releases) can compile for both PowerPC and x86 hardware, byt they did not need to switch and transition to Intel until 2006 (back in the day, I bought one of those white Macbook 1,1 laptops). My point here is: the OS code, now mostly a mixture of Objective C and Swift, is not CPU-specific code. It can run on ARM, I'm certain it can (as much as a normal person outside of Apple can speculate about it). Rumor has it, that Apple is running custom-designed Apple AX CPUs inside prototypes of Mac Mini computers (where AX refers to A9, A10 or whichever CPU gen they test on). That would show it is possible for them to run a desktop OS on energy-efficient CPUs. However, as iOS proved to be way more popular, it is more likely that iOS will continue to evolve and do more desktop-like things. They already brought in split view and "ALT+TAB" multi-tasking, to name two things. The latest story is their new focus on in-house developed GPUs, but the CPU still matters. Apple has also stated that they do not believe in re-designing macOS to fit touch screens. They see iOS as the touch device OS, unlike the Windows 10 UWP approach.
  • So why did Apple themselves nearly 4 years ago state when asked that a full OS is 10 years away from running on ARM processing power at least. It would seem MS are miles ahead of them. In fact worse still is Apples Programming that Windows 10 runs faster on a Macbook Pro than Apples own OS.
  • I think Apple misjudged the rapid pace of development ARM has actually undergone. No one can predict the future. Also, more importantly, another 6 years may be needed of continued research & development before you can do really heavy things in a desktop environment on ARM. You can already today edit 4K videos on an iPad, when used with iOS, but I HIGHLY doubt macOS would handle the same thing on ARM. It is just not designed to do that. But maybe in another 6 years it can run Final Cut Pro, who knows?
  • But that would seem Apple are late to the market. Just like Windows phone was. The iPhone 1 compared to today is slow and cumbersome. Has bulky apps and barely ran well. But people embraced it. It was first out of the gate and still worked. That's where I see MS with full Windows 10 on ARM. Ahead of the game. And releasing hardware this year. I could bet my house a Pocket Surface will arrive next year. Along with HP pocket devices, Lenovo and I'm saying this right now. Samsung WILL announce a Galaxy Pocket Device running Windows 10 ARM. 2018 is the year mobiles change from phones to pocket pcs. And the minute Samsung start advertising that on TV you just watch the pocket device sector grow.
  • Like I said: iOS is more popular than macOS, just like how the reverse is true for Microsoft, with Windows 10 PC being a lot more popular than their phone OS. So, I expect iOS to take over more and more users from macOS, except for complex Pro video editing and programming apps.
  • Apple should start by supporting touch on OSX and there's no sign about that. And no, touch bar doesn't count
  • I mean, if you just watch the video they mention that they have OEM psrtners building 2 in 1 and Laptops with Win 10 on ARM that will be launched later this year... So, i dont think its a big worry
  • LoL was installed and they didnt show us that? WTF!
  • I mean, you hardly need to see it, they were just showing how x86 CAN bee installed from outside the store
  • That's what I was waiting to see launched. Was curious about the performance. Might have been a bit choppy due to the device not being optimized for gaming since its a dev device.
  • Forget WM, this is what we have been waiting for!
  • Also forget about Windows 10 S, I'll leave that for the kids, the next phone I want needs to be running Windows 10 ARM just for Pros.
  • I agree (for my personal use at least), but you have to see that this is a big part of what 10S was built for. Because really, what's W10M if not Windows running on ARM processors with access to only store apps. 10S is positioned to be the new Windows "Mobile".
  • If Win 32 apps really start to move to the store as they hope, then 10s on a pocket Surface would be fine. It would still run x86. Just from the store. It would be crucial MS gets that store up and running. Which is maybe what they are waiting for announcement wise.
  • Fanless Surface 5 with LTE???
  • No Ilovenutella it will have a lot of fans. Or should i say fanboys?
  • This isn't particularly interesting considering it's exactly what they showed a while back with full Photoshop running on hardware that's basically the same as the HP Elite X3. It's nice to get some more details but what would be interesting is anything about this and the future of Windows 10 Mobile
  • A lot more technical detail was given in this, they even showed a live installation of a Win32 app as well as a UWP app. This is totally dope!
  • Yes agreed, when I saw the demo on Photoshop in December 2016 I was very skeptical since I thought it was going to require developers to port their apps to Centennial, but as this demo shows, 7zip executable is able to install just as in a traditional win32 PC.  This is the first time in my life I can say I'm feeling a nerdgasm.
  • Put that on a phone like a HP elite x3 and i am back on windows mobile train. CHOO CHOO
  • Theyre going to have to really knock it out of the park with the UI they use for mobile/tablets too, because the current Tablet interface is pretty much garbage, it needs a massive overhaul that relates to Mobile
  • Why?   What will be different?   There were STILL not be any mobile apps for it.   What are you going to do, run Office 2013 on it?  Have you ever tried to run big screen/mouse software on a small screen with no mouse?    It's not fun. 
  • I would totally agree with you (and do about the lack of current mobile apps) but the "big screen software" comment shows you don't understand context very well. You don't install "big screen software" on a phone-sized device to use it on a 6" screen. you use it when connected to a large monitor with a keyboard and mouse.
  • Thats right, this time I'll purchase a Windows Phone if it runs Windows 10 ARM and can run win32 apps. Bye Bye Android and iOS
  • I for one wouldn't for-go my iPhone since it is the first-party content king. And when you talk about mobile pocket devices, most of the time the focus is on easy access to content. Not necessarily performing complex tasks. On the other hand, WindowsOnARM brings so much to the table, that if you're not in a professional (let's say creative and/or developer) use case, this becomes a viable flexible, multi-use strategy. For those of us who administrate Enterprise enviornments, the idea of issuing ARM devices, that are domain joined and can leverage solutions like DirectAccess and are compatible with SCCM clients (or even just MDM) is insane. I work for a large org that would go bonkers for a windows-based ARM device that has this level of flexiblity. We would issue it to our field workers with glee. Common consumers? I think that's still a 50/50 split. If the price point is right and over time it drives bigger wins for the Windows Store, that's great! But I wouldn't expect rapid major gains. MS solutions are all about the long haul.... IF they (and OEMs) market them.
  • Is this the reason why they stopped making windows phones. Is this the beginning of full Windows on Phone. If so this will raise market share from the dead. There have already shown a phone with an cherrytrail intel phone running full Windows as a POS device.
  • It's full Windows on ARM.  There is an phone app that is UWP, so a device could make phone calls.  ARM chips bring the integrated cell radios with them, so it won't just be form factors similar to phones, it will also be laptops, 2 in 1s, etc.  You could conceivably have a two in one in a bag and use a BT headset to answer phone calls.  You could even create a small Bluetooth device that would look like a phone that could use the cell capacity in the laptop and allow you to make calls with it.  
  • I'm very excited, Windows 10 ARM is much better than Windows 10 S for phones, since in the near future we can finally have full Continuum experience on the desktop, no need to virtualize Windows or connect to VDI, your Snapdragon 835 and 4GB of RAM will be enough to start a new era of a phone that can also be your PC.
  • No, they stopped making them because they didn't sell.
  • They were selling quite well outside the US and gaining marketshare.
  • I read that MS is working with iOS and Android - and lose hope. I see this - it is WIDE open! I like it!
  • Microsoft..."Good now that's working, let shelve it and never let it see the light of day."
  • Google…”F*ck, let’s build Fuchsia because Microsoft is way ahead of us.” Fuchsia is expected in 2020, that gives you an idea how much Microsoft is ahead of Google..
  • Has any more been said about CShell during build? It looks like WoARM is pretty much ready to go... CShell and the evolution of continuum is the next piece of the puzzle... I'm excited for a future where one hand held device and an assortment of docks become my 'phone', my 'desktop', my 'media centre', my 'in car entertainment' etc...
  • Forget about Windows 10 S, this is what I was waiting for. This is awesome, I can finally run enterprise developer tools on an ARM device, this is huge.  Scala, Java, Python, C++ etc and all IDEs will run on Windows on ARM.  This also means that browsers like Firefox, Opera, Chrome and apps like iTunes will run on this exciting new OS.
  • With this news I'm very excited. But sometimes I feel bad that the Smarphone market is not open and wide as the desktop is. Imagine a world when you buy a phone capable of run on every Operating System like the PC does. I'll be like: I don't like Android, let's change it to Windows 10 Pro or Ubuntu Touch with drivers ready out of the box.  In that moment, fellas. The world will change!!!
  • It's simple and sensible decision making by consumers, all that MS can do is to make tools available for developers to "code once and run any windows platform" and UWP apps available across devices categories. It's OEMs responsibility to make devices that can really serve well MS's idea of "windows on ARM". With Windows for IoTs support highend Intel processors and Windows on ARM going with Qualcomm Windows 10 pretty much covers everything.
  • Well technically, you could run Ubuntu (and soon other Linux flavors) on this as they will be in the store. I wonder how well an emulated Linux layer running on top of an emulated x86 layer will run. :-)
  • Now windows mobile starts to make sense.
  • I for one care little about having a Windows "Phone" in my pocket. I'd much rather have a Windows on ARM 8" tablet with LTE. This is truly amazing engineering work. Especially when app developers have to do (hopefully) "little" to publish apps that will work on the ARM platform via this robust emulation layer. If there is a new Surface device coming that embraces ARM+LTE like the RT-era did, MS can take my money!!! Mixed Reality devices and WindowsOnARM definitely has me excited for the holiday season.
  • This is a legit game changer. The groundwork is carefully being laid out for a Surface Mobile (whatever you want to call but not just a smartphone) device, pocketable form that can convert to a tablet when u need it. When folded, use it as a phone like device for calls, txt, etc. All the benefits of ARM w battery life, gps, Wifi, BT, LTE, fanless. eSIM will be ready then. The ongoing W10 store buildup with centennial, UWP, etc will help boost the ecosystem. When the time is right, the device will be the new standard for ultramobile productivity device. It will be better than Elite x3 since you don't need to do remote w32 emulation for work use. As a phone like form, it can do the basic telephony stuff, surf web, nav, write short emails etc. No, i don't want Snapchat on it. They need to make sure a decent Lumia like camera is there. That's the future. W10m will morph to WOA, the only way for MS to compete in the mobile space. W10M will never die, just keep changing names (CE>7>8>8.1>10m>WOA).
  • Did you see the Lego blocks holding up that device? Haha awesome!!
  • There would be a time when a laptop/2 in 1 device that has ARM processor and nvidia/radeon graphics card...and MS sure added a competitor for Intel, AMD for mobile PCs.
  • Think Galaxy S8/+, Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 and all the other Snapdragon 835 phones out there running full Windows 10. Shanghai May 23 anyone?
  • Dude nowhere used the term "on mobile phones" ,it was just 2 in 1s and laptops.
    And I don't have any issue carrying Bluetooth device with laptop in backpack 😁 (*^_^*) Anyways fingers crossed
  • Yeah. Will all these phones be able to install Windows 10 then? Awesome.
  • I'm just an average Windows phone user and don't see how this benefits me all that much.. Will it be more expensive? Will it perform sluggishly?
  • Just speculation on my part, but I would expect the cost to be cheaper than anything on the market, although it will likely be a premium device if it is replacing phones. But as far as tablets go, I expect them to be available across the pricing spectrum, as low as sub $200.
  • Awesome! 2 in 1's and laptops! I cant wait for this!
  • "and other devices" 😁
  • Again I ask, what will a mini surface PC running WOA with a SIM card bring to the mobile consumer?  There still won't be any MOBILE apps for it.   Win32 stuff does not cover ANY mobile bases.  There is a reason why no one has brought Linux desktop apps to Android.  There is a reason why Apple has not brought OS X desktop apps to Iphones.  The reason is, such apps do nothing for the mobile device user.  The key word is MOBILE.  Software actually designed for a small screen and no mouse.   
  • Yes, but there is only a handful of really good must have apps still left in mobile store. Much easier to start from scratch when your not giving up much ground. Plus, just about every app which is on mobile and pc (whether uwp or not) are much better on pc side because they have been updated much more often - including maps which should be the other way around.
  • With a fully functional browser, there will be no need of some of your mobile apps (bank sites,facebook,twitter etc); sites are way better alternative to mobile apps.And it is a no brainer to play candy crush,Pokémon go,clash of clan type games when you can play league of legends,GTA etc. (English is my third language)
  • The point is: Mobile for mobile, continuum dock (or cast + Bluetooth) for full desktop including mouse, keyboard, dual monitors... all running from your phone, and probably better than most mid-range laptops out there right now.
  • After watching some of the amazing software today, I was hoping we will eventually get a full w10 device that can make calls. Its the only way these features will ever come to phones running windows.
  • Phones.. Yes, phones is where it's at.
  • The phone app on W10M is already a UWP application. So any device running W10 ARM is technically capable of being a phone. Phone makers already running the Snapdragon 835 processor would be crazy not to install W10 ARM. It would open a new market for them.
  • Exactly... Seems inevitable.
  • It almost felt like every time they used the iPhone and Android device on stage that they were having a dig at their loyal windows fans. There was so much emphasis on IOS and Android, what was I watching?
  • I think they were showing that W10 supports every other OS.   ...except MacOS ;)
  • I guess they kind of had to, to demonstrate the power of windows 10.
  • This is impressive and fantastic! If I am surmising correctly, the emulation will work for interpreting Intel Architecture 32-bit code to ARM 64-bit code, but it *won't* interpret/run IA 64-bit code (e.g. my 64-bit Corel Suite installation) or allow any one application to address more that 4GB. Even so, it is a great achievement, and I can't wait for this, to use on the go, but it will not be able to replace my full office setup with its 64-bit IA processor. Furthermore, they specifically said that those peripherals that connect via USB *and* that don't need drivers to load will run fine, presumably because they're newer, and Windows 10 can supply the necessary native driver. I surmise that other peripherals that need more complex drivers, that were written for x86 or x64, will not run emulated and will need ARM-specific drivers. They didn't say these things, but am I reading this correctly?
  • What I understood from video is that native exe programs can only run if they are written for win32 for example Firefox 32-bit, iTunes, Chrome however software built in 64-bit needs to be ported to UWP as they showed for iHeart Radio which is running natively on 64-bit. So for example, if Wolfram Alpha ports their Mathematica 64-bit software to UWP it will run on ARM on 64-bit if it is published in the Windows store.
  • Ah, thanks!
  • The sad thing is, looking at the presentation, they apparently are only able to provide a build path for ARM 32 bit apps not ARM 64 bit apps.
  • I'm an average user. I am not a developer but tried to support Windows 10 mobile, and I actually liked it quite a bit. But Windows on ARM really interests me! I have always preferred the way a desktop or lap top feels to mobile. If I can have a PC in my pocket I'm gone from Android!
  • What's left me wondering is what is the shanghai hardware? Its not book, or pro. Its not the invoke. Its not mixed reality. And windows on arm doesn't come till the end of the year. Its "showing the world whats next". But what the heck is it?
  • I think Microsoft will "show the world whats next" aka "company vision for the next 20 years". They used to do this kind of events every 3 or 4 years. See the "Productivity Future Vision" published 2 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-tFdreZB94&t OR it could be a Surface event to demo HomeHub / Surface Pro refresh with Kaby Lake.
  • They said that OEMs will bring devices in Q4 but they didn't say anything about MS, and that's what MS does. It makes something for others to aspire to, to emulate. With Panos being there on the 23rd, I believe that the ultimate mobile device will be shown, but won't release until maybe September! They may take pre-orders though.
  • Wen in India? Haha had to revive that old meme on these comments XD
  • My Lumia just died.
  • Wonder if battery life will be reasonable when running windows 10 on arm but on a normal sized phone battery
  • 835 chip is less thirsty, and I think future chips will get much better.
  • It's all about the STORE. Native, touch screen based store apps. There is no mobile without that. Yes, WOARM is an important step. No, .. reason to flip or get overexcited (yet). What has changed from developers point of view? Is there a new incentive to start developing for the store? Not really. I hope it will be a huge success though.
  • The part to get excited about is Microsoft just bridged every companies LOB app to a mobile device. The bring your device to work gets a lot simpler if it's running W10 ARM Pro. All VPN software would work along with domains and device management. The fact it could be on a 6 screen or dual monitors doesn't matter.
  • For those of you with some system experience here...... If this was put on a mobile device would it look like the desktop on a smaller screen? Or would it use a slightly different interface for touch screen? This is freaking awesome man!
  • That depends really, it leads on to the development to the new CShell that's going on behind the scenes... As it currently stands though you'd have the option of using the standard desktop interface or tablet mode - neither of which is a perfect experience for a 'phone'.
  • I don't think CShell would be limited to desktop and tablet UI, it could easily have a phone UI as well and it will also have an XBox UI, HoloLens, etc... For phone vs desktop UI, think of the current Continuum experience with Windows 10 Mobile... but better. That's exactly what CShell is for, many possible UIs on the same core.
  • Yes exactly... That's what we've been led to believe they're currently working on with CShell... But with what is available in Windows 'right now' (bearing in mind that WoARM itself isn't actually available yet), the only two options are 'desktop' or 'tablet' mode - purely in answer to wolfpack219's original question. The future development of CShell can't come quick enough... I envision a whole slew of new WoARM based devices once CShell catches up; Pocket PCs, Stick PCs, Media centres, consoles, In Car Entertainment etc etc, that can all 'transform' into a full 'desktop' experience or anything in-between with one button. Microsoft are working towards completely circumventing traditional device categories - because essentially they are all the same thing - it will eventually be up to the user to decide which mode best suits their usage at any given moment. Send an SMS from your TV, type a Word document on your fridge, take a call on your laptop, play candy crush in your parked car... It shouldn't be any corporation's place to decide if those scenarios are 'unacceptable' no matter how unlikely each or many others may be... That is what I hope Microsoft is working towards and beyond.
  • Thanks For the responses all. ARM has me excited that Windows may truly come back to hand held mobile again.
  • That League of Legends :D 
  • That's probably the coolest tech thing I've seen in a long time. How smooth it is and installing standard x86 programs on a Qualcomm chip. There are a few telling things here. First of all the size of the "pc" they are running it on. Second, thang be smooth! Third, camera UI looks familiar... I really dont see how this could NOT point to the future of MS and telephony. This had almost the same reaction from me as when I saw the first iPhone keynote back in '07. "oh sh**"
  • The camera app is already UWP along with the phone app in the store. So there is nothing stopping say Samsung installing this on the Galaxy S8. If you installed no X86 apps on it it would behave like W10 in tablet mode with a phone app.
  • Interesting DEC were doing this over 20 years ago on ALPHA.
  • That was awesome - so good that MS has communicated this information. It shows that they are working hard to get this done and that they are listening to people.
  • I have aquestion, If this is 64bit, why can't it use all 4gb of ram? In the video (at the 3:12 mark) it shows that not all of the ram is used. Just curious.
  • Because it doesn't require it. Clearly there is overhead.
  • I really hope we get a 7" tablet with Windows on ARM... For mobility purposes
  • Ideally I'd like a 5.5" - 6" sized portable device based on this that came with a nicely integrated laptop; even a Surface Laptop but with the innards being the inserted mobile device. I've already got a nice 15.4" gaming laptop as my machine but I would like a smaller very long batter life device option. What I don't want is another full fat PC and another high end mobile. Elite X3 or 950XL with some form of dock can't cut it for what I'd need on a days work - windowed support on continuum would help but having full pc cabability would be a boon to me. Especially for some horrible old apps I have to use every now and then.
  • So, to sum up the comment section...... Most of us are interested in the application of WOA in a POCKETABLE MOBILE DEVICE...... Listen up, Microsoft.
  • This looks very good and definitely looking forward to this kind of power on ARM. But doesn't make you wonder why they bothered with Windows S?
  • You're confusing a Windows SKU with an underlying architecture. I don't think we yet know which SKUs will be available on ARM. The W10S SKU is predominantly about engaging the education/enterprise/security conscience sectors, and simultaneously trying to promote greater developer adoption of the Windows Store. Given it's intentions, I reckon there's a pretty high chance of W10S appearing on ARM too.
  • Finnally after all the wandering a path to the prommissed land. 😉
  • Microsoft is bipolar... On one side, they lock down Intel Windows to the store with Windows 10 S, and on the other side they open ARM to x86 app non-store. I prefer the second approach than the first!
  • No, Microsoft isn't bipolar.   Windows 10 S is designed for a specific instance, schools being a prime example.  You need something the IT deparment can lock down hard to keep the little bratts from downloading viruses and other garbage.  Seen it more than once in small schools with minimal IT support.  There is always some smart aleck kid who finds it funny to crash the whole school network.   That is why Apple got so popular, easier to keep garbage out.  Too bad it created a couple generations that know NOTHING about how a computer actually works.  All they know is point and click.   I see Win10S as a step in the right direction.  Gives control to the IT staff, but lets kids actually use software that is used in the real working world, not just in academia.
  • Win10S serves markets were Windows openness is a liability not an asset. Secondly there is nothing stopping a PC maker putting out an Arm PC running Win10S or Win10Pro it's no different from x86 market.
  • Shanghai hardware event! My guess and hope: Windows 10 S will be the new standard OS for ARM phones, because UWP apps can scale for touch input. But it will also be fully upgradeable to Pro for the power users. A big announcement in Shanghai would explain their secrecy on this so far, downplaying what really is a major step forward. (Also, HoloLens will be available in China later this month according to Alex Kipman during the keynote.)
  • Microsoft has to deal with leagacy apps and long time customers and their installed base.  So they have no choice but have support desktop apps on ARM before they can persuade everyone to adpot UWP...
  • Xbox Scorpio with Arm,yesss nah...
  • Meanwhile Window 10 S is Window RT style
  • A 2-in-1 w 12-13" screen, long battery life, 5G connection, etc? But I'll miss 64 bit applications. Solution?
    * Build a Windows "terminal" in Windows, with full cut & paste between W10 on 2-in-1 and Windows on remote PC. (already available in Fall Update, I think...)
    * Then I can have a full intel based workstation at home, and remotely run 64 bit apps on this workstation from a Windows terminal window on ARM 2-in-1. 5G always on connection should ensure I'm always connected.
    * Windows on ARM and Windows terminal could run in different task windows.
    * It must be possible to remotely start/restart workstation + necessary routers, etc., though... (e.g., after power outing at home during travels - must be possible to get system started again)..
  • This has existed since NT & Terminal Server. All you need to do this from any computer, tablet or phone is setup Remote Desktop on PC with Professional Edition of Windows 10 or 7. Then all you need to do is install the Remote Desktop client on any mobile device. If you plan to do this from outside your home and don't have a static IP, you'll need to setup Dynamic DNS on your router then open port 3389 so can find your computer. As for waking up the computer, if the computer is running 24/7 go in the BIOS and set to resume on power loss (not previous state) and because it's a home network, you can also consider setting WoL.
  • Oh and instead of installing Dynamic DNS and setting up your router, just install Hamachi's free VPN. 
  • 7" phone
    thin bezels - surface pro style speakers
    3:2 aspect ratio
    laptop style with lots of batteries - keyboard area as touch screen - with controller app for gaming
     
  • Finally I should be free of Intel and their shi**y chipsets. Just hope that USB implementation is better then either AMD or Intel as and when actual commercial devices come on the market. What I can really go for is something like 4 x 8 core processors with 64+ gb ram. 
  • This is why there will be no rs3 mobile build, we'll get the PC build on our phones! The big merge is finally happening there's only one OS Windows 10.
  • Well, possibly, but not on current devices. Future ones. It's specifically for the 835 chipsets; current devices running mobile use the 820s.
  •  For those complaining about it not being x64, you obviously didn't watch the video where they show the system properties and it  is, in fact, x64 Windows.