Is there more to Windows Phone 8 than just the current SDK? We discuss.

Yesterday we revealed to you the current Windows Phone 8 SDK, giving you a brief tour of some of the new features. Nothing exactly new was revealed that had not already been discussed or leaked out previously, but it was still interesting to see it in action.

Today we were planning on a follow up video to catch up on some of the areas we missed and truth be told, there wasn’t anything earth shattering their either (though the new Office does look quite nice).

Unfortunately, black helicopters surrounded our headquarters here in New York and any plans for an immediate follow up have been placed on hold. And since we’re not in the business of ruining surprise parties for people, we’re okay with that...

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But that does leave us to another question we can talk about: is there more to Windows Phone 8 than what we have seen so far?

The preview SDK is just that…a preview. That language to our ears and others sounds like the SDK may only partially reveal what the OS can really do. And in fact, we should not confuse the “OS” with the “SDK emulator”. Sure there is significant overlap but they are not one and the same.

Some credence is lent to this notion by this nugget: the “OS” build in the preview SDK is 9900 but WPDang have found that Microsoft has been using another, later iteration, build 10119.

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In of itself this doesn’t mean too much. Even with Windows Phone 8 going RTM, it is not like Microsoft would stop cranking out new builds. But even though we know that Windows Phone 8 did RTM, it is not clear which build it contains—9900, 10119 or something else. In addition, no one knows what those Lumia 920s are running either.

Microsoft though is adamant about the fact that they have not shown the public all of what Windows Phone 8 is about. Belfiore and others have stated this numerous times when discussing the OS, especially when “bits” were shown off like with Nokia in New York. Is that because there really are more things to show (that haven’t leaked) or is it because Microsoft wants to have a grand unified presentation

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What more is there? Why so secretive?

And then there’s this other question: What exactly could Microsoft show off that has not yet been revealed? Although we like to think there could be more, it’s a legitimate question.

Sure, we can think of a lot of little things: custom alerts, a better color picker, “folders” or “custom hubs”, etc., things that you’ve asked for in the past. But honestly, those minor things seem like they wouldn’t necessarily be hidden either as they’re hardly game-changers that Microsoft would want to keep off the books.

Microsoft has already done a tremendous amount with Windows Phone 8—new kernel, multi-core support, new display resolutions, NFC, Wallet, increased multitasking, family features, native support for gaming, new Tile options…it makes us wonder, what else could they have up their sleeve?

Not so much in that we expect more but rather we just don’t know what would fit the bill.

Windows Phone 8 can do over-the-air (OTA) updates, meaning Microsoft will roll out regular new features and fixes but should we expect even more from Windows Phone Eight Point-0? It does seem like a lot to ask of Microsoft, who famously added 500-new features to the Windows Phone 7.5 Mango update.

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So why is Microsoft holding back so much? We’ve heard from some reports that although the Mango-launch went off well, Microsoft revealed too much, too early. In turn, it gave their competition a heads up on what do work on next and cuts down Microsoft’s edge. Is it true? We don’t know but it certainly does make sense and it may be a good reason why Microsoft is holding back a bit.

What about the Windows Phone Summit? We think part of it was to keep Microsoft in the news by keeping the conversation going and also as a way to hush up the naysayers by finally answering that “legacy question” about current Windows Phones. That topic had been hounding the company it was about time they put an end to it by going on record.

In the end, we do think Microsoft will have a few small tricks to reveal next month but no, we the public haven’t seen the full OS and Microsoft wants you to see it when you can go buy it—not after waiting three-months. And that's probably the real motivation here.

Daniel Rubino

Daniel Rubino is the Editor-in-chief of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft since 2007 when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, laptops, next-gen computing, and for some reason, watches. Before all this tech stuff, he worked on a Ph.D. in linguistics, watched people sleep (for medical purposes!), and ran the projectors at movie theaters because it was fun.

  • O like this sort of approach even tho maybe next time there should be a better timing between Phones announcement/releases and New OS! Ciao!
  • Marco300 Timing what is
    Apple apple iPhone. IPhone. As much what I have seen form WP8 this OS stand out awesome November - December is awesome time to lunch phone bes it Christmas.
  • What the ...??
  • I think that comment was missing many words and any form of structure.
  • or perhaps it was typed on an iphone?
    or some great abstract art? could pate.axit be james joyce back from the dead??
  • Wut.
  • Kinda sounded like a bad poem. It needed some bongos tapping along
  • I am more than happy with whatever been revealed. One thing I do want is "when"? Lot of competition out there. MS shouldn't give too much time gap, to think :-)
  • Perhaps they improved the voice commands to the point Siri is a joke!
    Wishful thinking I know... Not that Siri is such a big deal but they do use it to make people think iPhone is better.
  • There's a guys voice now, so there's that, lol.
  • What ever happened to that TellMe service that was on YouTube?? The one that had that ladies voice that was talking to those two ladies?
  • maybe it's chanageable ?
  • i was just thinking something similar, TellMe with better than Siri capability AND offline... lol wishful thinking aint it? (just want it for voice texting conversion when driving...)
    then another idea popped up may be it can take over the screen for Ford Sync (or better integartion) lol
  • Or better yet, intigrate something like the Xbox Kinect into it
    Instead of "Xbox" though, I dunno, "Phone - next song"
  • I've thought about this as well.  I wonder what it would do to the battery and overall speed of the phone if it was "always listening."
  • You know, you can voice text already...
  • I think Nataku was saying that it would be nice to be able to voice text without using data. That would be nice for people on very limited data plans.
  • Texting may be a data transmission but it is usually separated from data costs
  • I use that a lot when driving....hold Windows button for a few seconds, Voice prompt, send text to XXXXX, and it's just like repying via voice to a text...
  • I'm quite happy with what has already been shown (officially). What I'd really like to know though is what exactly has changed for multitasking and if toast and tile notifications will work more reliably in WP8 than they do now. And if MS is going to raise the limits for live tiles.
  • Amen!
  • Geez, I hope notifications get better, too much battery drain right now. No too efficient and slow.
  • Agreed
  • If Microsoft has an Ace up there sleve they should have played it by now, before the iPhone launch.  I believe that anything that is left to announce is just minor things, here and there.  The one area where they could surpise is in the gaming department.  Halo and Gears could move phones.
  • If MS had an ace up their sleave, they would not have played it by now.  That is the point of the Ace up their sleeve saying, you are saving this for the very last moment. 
    This will be weeks from now if they have one. 
  • If they did have something big, they would of announced after the iPhone event but just before the iPhone launch.. A lot of people have rushed to get an iPhone 5.. They may not of if MS announced something big..
  • It wouldn't have made a difference. The ones who rushed out are the ones who were going to buy it regardless and don't care about WP. Let people rush out, be disappointed and let the hype die down a bit, then reveal and launch. People see something flashy and rush towards it, see more about the 920 and others, and success... iPhone forgotten for those people.
  • How many people that would rush to get an iPhone will pay attention to what MS announce anyway?
  • Having an ace up your sleeve is not necessarily a last minute reveal. You use that ace when you can hurt your opponent the most. I think the previous post was thinking that revealing the ace before iPhone shipped may have caused some people to wait for windows phone rather than get the iPhone 4.5s...i mean iPhone 5.
  • You play it after the hype is all gone on the iphone and after the returns and complaints start. There doing it exactly like apple now they show you what coming and a release date for phones as well that with in the same month a weeks or days away from availability. The same is the reason for the sdk lock down they know that people will leak it and give it a review good or bad before its even out, plus they know about the android and ios fan boys that either going to say we don’t need that new feature like wireless charging, or that keep in mind ns told what was coming first last year and some of the things they told ended up in ios. Like me i don’t think that the sdk is locked down i think its a whole different beast , it’s the core elements but that’s all and the final will have much more, so much were as you have to have a whole different review of it. And I also believe that some game titles are coming with or on release something like halo, but im sure that’s just wishful thinking.
  • Disagree.  The ace is saved for later in the game.  Revealing the 920 garnered lots of buzz and at least chipped somewhat into the iPhone reveal which was lackluster at best.  Now MS is positioned to say "Not only is the hardware better but *kaboom* the software is better and here's why" ***unicorns fly in with ballmer in tow***  .......... ok maybe that's a bit much but you get the idea. :)
  • Lol unicorns would be awesome
  • Awsome ? Nah, EPIC is more like it
  • Is this official???? WP8 ships with unicorns?! That's it. I'm all in.
  • I wouldn't be surprised if they're holding back some ace-in-the-hole features. The Lumia 920 was the anti-iPhone ace. The impact may not have shown that hard, but I think it hit big time in the minds of the tech-savvy. Post-Lumia 920, the flame wars seem less anti-MS and more reasonable, with a lot of people planning on getting an L920 on sites like Engadget and the such. It really shook the iPhone 5's foundation a bit, and the jury is still out on how big those cracks are. When it comes time to launch, MS could really use some really amazing, unique features to build that sudden hype that products get in the days or weeks right after a reveal. So yeah, there could still be some aces hiding up Ballmer's sleeve. A strong launch can make a big difference.
  • Apple would release the iCorn to compete.
  • Lulz
  • I wish they would take a different approach versus the current model of special features.
    I wish they would make the OS rock solid versus adding whiz-bang features
    Look at this wiki article on OS feature comparisons
    + I get tired of at least 2 verge senior editors stating that they would take WP8 and put android on it....WP8 goal should be to finish the OS with no missing basic features...then and whiz-bang features to pull away from the pack.
    and get it done on a quicker release google did with androing in the early days
  • I just get tired of at least 2 verge senior editors ;)
  • That wiki page is interesting, there are a few basic things that would be nice to have like browser functionality, added search ability throughout the OS and better Video player.
    Also bear in mind that list is not complete for WP8. Things like NFC tap to share have not been updated under 'file transfer' in the table, and I also thought there were basic image editing functions in WP8 (like crop) that do not appear in the table.
    Anyway, hopefully we see a few more of those basic features (maybe a notification centre of sorts) to come.
  • The browser and video player are the only things I hate on WP7.  The browser is slow.  On my 10Mb DSL my phones browser gets crushed by my rooted Kindle fire running dolphin.  The video player is just awful.  On the same 10Mb connection my phone cannot play a video straight through; it pauses and buffers constantly.  It's almost like the phone is using 3G for video instead of the wi-fi connection.
    I'm hoping they resolve those issues in WP8 because it's a big deal to me.  That said Sprint might not even carry WP8 devices.  I got an iPhone 4S today because the Arrive is just not doing it for me anymore (slide keyboards suck).  If I like iOS as a daily driver MS might end up loosing part of my business.  I doubt that will happen though because I hate Apple.  (It's moreso that I've always hated the smug Apple users.)
  • This is an HTC issue, not WP.
  • You win this thread, sir.
  • Can you elaborate on the helicopters bit?
  • I wouldn't take it literally. It was most likely a sarcastic wasy of saying they were contacted by MS and told to lay low with the details of the OS until they do their official unveiling. I'm assuming..
  • Yeah, I wanted to know what was meant by that. Lol
  • MS time and time again has mentioned they will be revealing more in future dates, they said it again at Nokia as mentioned in the article. 
    For me, not logical for MS to release a FINAL SDK to be unvealed by sites like this or other techy sites.  I would lean on the assumption that the SDK is not final. 
    Not saying they will have a huge announcment of awesome features, just saying that they rather would reveal themselves instead of websites which means there should be more.
    That is my take. 
  • I think we've seen 99 percent of what is in the new Os. Much of this is pure bluster on the part of MS as evidenced by the 500 "enhancements" that was supposed to be in Mango we never saw and now won't see in Mango/Tango. Onto Windows phone 8.
  • But we did see all of 500 in Mango...
  • The only thing I think can be held back is perhaps the integration of the phone and the desktop counterpart. Something that hasn't been announced as far as how the ecosystem will play nicely together. Smart glass, tablet, Xbox , PC, phone. A nice big one that rolls out somewhat together. Hard to imagine what other "smartphone" features that would demand the kind of secrecy. I agree with Dan, those small features aren't worth hiding.
  • I agree.
  • One thing I've recognized recently is MS is better about keeping secrets.  We all thought we had the out of the blue "huge" MS announcement earlier this year figured out and BAM!  They hit us with a tablet.  
    We had no idea they were going to announce HTC's new phone as the "signature" device and BAM!  New signature device. 
    I won't make any claims until the fat lady gives it up and she seems pretty content to wait it out until close to or on Oct. 26th.
  • I agree with u.....
  • It's very plausible that Microsoft has capped the SDK...i mean, if the IT guys at your work can limit what you see on the internet, it most certainly isn't impractical that Microsoft is limiting what you can/can't do on the SDK. I myself am not holding my breath for a game changer, but it wouldn't surprise me if there is going to be one. The anticipation is getting the best of me...and a watched pot never boils, lol.
  • Aha, so what this boils down to..ahaaaii couldn't resist :-D
  • When is the WP summit?
  • It was June 20, 2012
  • Really hope that theory is true. Microsoft is horrible with announcing stuff too early
  • I want universal phone search...I hope WP8 gets that!
  • So do I!!
  • Maybe the final build will have the USB Out baked in. Maybe they will showcase the insane synergy between Xbox/W8/WP8. They ate definitely showing something but what is it? It's anyone's guess.
  • I love my lumia 900 and I'll be upgrading to the 920. Only wish is that they make better apps and also alot the games are way overpriced and they look crappy and never get updated its like half,ass apps being pooped out. I'm hoping with the new OS the devs don't forget about the people that buy their apps.
  • WP8 supports C++ so this won't be a problem.
  • Its all going to change with native c++ and custom vertex/pixel shader support my friend :)
  • I just want to have independent volume settings. Is that too much to ask?
  • Absolutely +1000! What kind of modern smartphone doesn't have that kind of functionality, especially one with a world-class music player built in! I need my volume at 20 for music in my cat, but I certainly don't need the ringer to also be at 20 when I unplug the phone and put it in my pocket!
  • How exactly does one go about playing music in their cat?  This seems kind of cruel. 
  • my volume is at most 11 when in my cat.  unless its nicki minaj -- then my cat gives me that look that says "that's my jam, pump up the volume."
  • HAHA!!
  • :oD
  • Bahaha
  • Haha cats are much better when they come with music!! Lol *car
  • I hope this is true but I don't think it is.  Bought some MSFT today for the long.  :o)  I think it will do good either way over the next 2 years.
  • Maybe they'll roll instagram in with native support in the pictures hub and as a lense for the camera. That would kill the #1 request slowing adoption from the 13 to 25 crowd. You have to be practical about how to attract the most users and this is something that should be a high priority for the good of the platform. Give everyone interested in the platform instagram access instead of an app.
  • What is the big deal with Instagram?  I am being serious...I just don't understand why it is used at all.
  • Its falls under the social aspect of just sharing pictures only and since it was so popular among iPhone folk it became a must have for everyone
  • thanks!
  • Oh yeah I also do like the idea of having instagram as a lense and direct uploading like Facebook and SkyDrive
  • Instagram needs to open its API's to us is what they need to do .. With that said I would have a lense in the market the next day.
  • They have to be holding back a real game-changer. Let's face it, a function here or there isn't gonna make the world go wow...i reckon it's going to be something that glues the whole Win8/WP8/XBox platforms together and will make those on PCs say "I NEED a WP", those on XBoxs say "I NEED a WP". Just think what that'll do to sales and revenue!!! Maybe Project Glass integration?!!
  • Lets hope they are. I'm stoked so far as what's coming in all devices (less so the ATIV S) It won't be Project Glass though as that's a Google thing.
    MS are working on something along the lines though but no where near ready yet.
  • Microsoft's one is smartglass. From what I've heard it should be ready pretty soon.
  • Sorry, I meant SmartGlass...
  • I think it's just hype, keep mindshare(Windows 8) and momentum(WP8 hardware) afloat during the news of Apple.
  • All I want is for them to improve multitasking. I like the design they have now and I am happy they are bringing true multitasking but I really hope that they keep the original layout of multitasking but show all open apps, not just the previous five, and have the ability to swipe up on the apps (or down) in the multitasking pane to close apps. 
  • I'm gonna be furious if it's ever confirmed there will still be no VPN support.
  • Solidstate89 - I think you're on the right track. I think there are still many missing enterprise features. VPN. Remote Desktop. Join a domain. Even better Exchange Server integration. Lync Server integration. Office 365 integration.
    With BlackBerry 10 getting pushed back to 2013, the pressure came off Microsoft to announce enterprise, and government/security, features.
  • I need all of those if my company would even consider a WP for their EEs
  • Call me crazy, but I think MS should have called it "WP8" for legacy devices, too. Older phones get the new OS all the time but don't necessarily get all the features that the hardware can't handle anyway. Do you see older iPhones getting "iOS 5.8"? No. Older iPhones get the new OS like everyone else, minus some features that they can't run-- like, say, Siri. But everyone still feels happy that they got the new updated OS. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe that would be MS being disingenuous, but I don't know... I think it would have been a smart move.
  • The only problem then is that people will have 'WP8' devices but they won't have access to an apparently arbitrary (from an uninformed user standpoint) set of apps that were designed for true WP8.
    Edit: Also hopefully all WP8s will get WP9 in a year or 2, and at some point WP7 hardware has to be left in the past, they may as well cut their losses now while the user base is small, and have a consistent, easy-to-follow upgrade path from WP8 onwards.
  • The main change between WP7 and WP8 is the Kernel.  It's moving from WindowsCE to be WindowsNT based. 
    It's the Kernel that has prevented the upgrade from 7 to 8 not necessarily the hardware specs.
    You can bet that future windows phone OSs will be using the NT Kernel for many years to come (just as they will be for Windows 8 and higher) 
    So poor WinPhone7.x is the only one that will not get the upgrades in the future (I think 7.8 will be the last Windows 7 upgrade too IMO)
  • But they can't. Except the iPhone 4S and 4 are really getting iOS 6, but without a lot of new features. The underlying frameworks and kernel ARE iOS 6. If they called WP7.8 "WP8" they would by lying. It's a totally different kernel, different frameworks, and different app compatibility (and not just things that take advantage of new hardware). WP7.8 is nothing like WP8 and would just create confusion. 
    "This app works on WP8 and higher"
    Then people with legacy devices just wonder why and yell that their "WP8" phone can't run it. Even things such as background GPS require WP8 but have no technical reason they can't be done on WP7. WP7 phones have GPS and have a modern multi-tasking operating system.
  • +1 for someone who gets it
  • +1 Yup :]
  • We really haven't see any of the Xbox features in WP8 either. There is the whole smartglass deal that really hasn't been shown. Is it baked in? That would make sense. I'm with the other poster in regards to voice commands. If they did something like they do on the Xbox that is definitely something to promote. I would also think they in fact do have a notification center up their sleeve as well. Obviously something hidden here. Is it a game changer? I would argue no. Helicopters were after you Daniel because you were on to something. Funny how big brother MS is closely watching.
  • I so hope I can be in "ANY" app and be able to stream the image/video over wifi to my xbox 360 like AirPlay on iOS. If this is not baked into the OS I will eat my hat.
  • i'm pretty sure there will be no more of it
  • Still quietly hoping they'll announce that swiping to left of the start screen yields a unified notification center
  • Same here, hope Nokia will do it even if microsoft doesnt.
  • A tellme that works like that demo video would be killer, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.  As it stands though the current OS can't hold a candle to what apple is doing with siri and what google is doing with whatever that thing is called.
  • Siri and whatever Google is b/c they are flawless!
  • Dont forget .. we are supposed to be able to get at the TellMe API's from code now which dev's can run wild with.
  • The OS seems fine, as long as it stays as fluid as WIndows 7.5. The only reason that Android occasionally stutters is that they go for way too much and the memory pipelines take a thrashing. I am hoping that they add just enough but didn't push the envelope too far that stutter comes into play. I am fine if it was just basic like the SDK.
    I believe the features they have yet to announce is how WP8 interacts with WRT and W8. I am pretty sure most of the new software features will revolve around making WP8 user buy a W8 tablet and vice versa.
  • We want moar??
  • Internet humor.
  • Humoar
  • Lol
  • Well at this point WP8 is going to be a non-starter for a LOT of more business oriented users. Why? Becuase they STILL have not put text reflow into the OS and browser, and because we still cannot open PDFs in Office and read them reflowed. 
    Sorry, but for business type users that is mission critical functionality. We NEED to be able to quickly read things without any requirement for either horizontal scrolling or superhuman eyesight. 
  • I agree 100%.  Is it confirmed there is no reflow in WP8?  This holding back minor stuff is bull.  They can hold back all the fancy stuff.  I can wait to see the integration.  I can wait to see surpises.  But I need to know now if I can send/receive vCard and vCalendar appointments.  I need to know if I have text reflow.  I need to know if I can mail a pdf as an attachment.  I need to know now if I can download a video file.  I have a chance to buy a GSIII for $99 and the sale ends on the 30th and after that day it will go back up to $275.  I would prefer a WP8 phone but If I know WP8 can't perform these basic tasks then I want to get the GSIII but if I wait until Nov 2nd to find out WP8 doesn't perform these functions then I would have lost $700 over 4 phones on a family plan waiting for WP8 because MS won't tell us if the OS performs these basic functions.  Why so secretive about stupid stuff like sending/receiving appointments and contact information???  Why so secretive about being able to send an attachment???  Why so secretive about downloading a video file???  What's the big deal?  The worst OS in the world should be able to do these things so why are they trying to wow us with it?  Save the wow factor for later.  I can wait for that stuff and we don't want to spoil the launch party but I need to know now if this OS will be able to get me through a work day with basic OS functions. If it doesn't do these things then it will be a joke of an OS but if it can with all it's beauty and innovation then it will be a brilliant OS.  We need substance over style.  Style is nice but not if it doesn't perform.  Sorry for the rant but this company is disappointing me the way Palm and RIM did and now I'm feeling des ja vou all over again before it even starts.
  • I agree 100%
  • Simple. Buy the GSIII, and enjoy using it. Then when WP8 released, try them out and if all the function you are waiting are there, then just trade the GSIII in for the WP8. If not, just keep the GSIII.
  • Iphone does pretty ok in the market, even without reflow. Besides, more and more sites have css that dynamically adjusts the content to the device in use.
  • What I want to know is which phone is juggernaut alpha? Is it the 920 or the the surface phone???
  • 1 thing that microsoft needs to do is getting some more developers, because sadly even though the OS is fluid and has grea integration is lackluster in the apps department, they only have 100k apps and some are just garbage, android and IOS have over 600k and yes I know they have been on the game longer, but in order for Microsoft take off on the mobile department they have to wow everybody and get more apps available, the big question is since Windows phone 8 is different that windows phone 7 phones couldnt get the big update, are the current apps going to become unusable?
  • The developers are here and always have been .. People should stop pulling this card because its not the problem .. The Problem is the current Windows Phone API. Its rather limited to just about what you got on the platform now. This will change with WP8 if it Is the WinRT API.
  • Windows RT Tablets and Windows 8 are released in a Month (October 26th)... There's already mention of the Windows Phone release being on October 29..
    THAT's when we'll be shown the full Windows Phone 8 OS goodness.. AND when we'll be told Carriers, pricing and availability of all the devices (world wide) "and you can get them Next Week"
  • Innitially Microsoft only announced what was new 'under the hood' of WP8. Developers needed to know this as these were things to consider when developing their apps. Same thing with the startscreen, it needed to be revealed so that app developers could think about how to use its new tile sizes in their apps.
    It is possible that Microsoft has some very simple to implement but innovative features. Stuff that if revealed too soon could be copied in iOS6 before WP8 hits the market. Afteral the way Microsoft looked towards the people hub and messaging was simply better and now Android copied it. You cant prevent that but peeping things a secret  does mean they cant steal your thunder before release.
  • while I do agree if they dont give anything appealing to the public like more apps that they could use for business or to be comparable to other OS, they will not succeed  and dont get me wrong I think the Lumia 920 and the Windows Phone 8X are both great phones with a nice desing, not too fond of the Lumia Glossy desing ugh after the S3 Im tired of glossy designs, but the screen tech and camera that it offers on the lumia is innovative, but not everybody knows about that, if people like the design but there arent any apps that they used on their Iphone or android phone people will less prone to make a a switch, I myself want to see microsoft succeed, I have been using android and I been thinking of switching to something more consisten, but the need of a good app ecosystem would be great, While I have Gmail and Google Play Music, I am not heavily integrated with Google's environment so a switch as long as there are the same or comparable apps available would make my decision and I am sure a lot of people feel the same way.
  • Except that most devs don't have SDK still...
  • i think this is exactly why the SDK is showing what is showing. only because the selected devs that do have the SDK, dont need to see those extra features? maybe lol idk
  • Nothing ground breaking with wp8. Yes it makes us wp7.5 users happy and we will be buying a wp8 phone. but its not enough to get those using ios or android. simple things missing like notification centre and folders is another downside to wp8
  • I think msft not releasing phones with Apple has something to do with the agreement they have.. For me I think it's better this way.. Now people have seen what iphone/ios has its alll gonna be advertising
  • lack of VPN is gonna be a huge problem for me
  • WP8 needs good games from industry leaders like EA, Gameloft, etc..
  • Yea, Tripple A titles that are actually good. WP7 games are fun for the most part but, nothing compared to some titles on Android or the iPhone...
    make the Xbox Live logo mean great games....
  • I really do hope WP8's calendar has custom reminder times...that's one of the small yet big things that I don't like about WP7
  • I just wonder what happened to those things that had been rumored and even leaked like rotationlock or on-device search. But my biggest wish would be a huge app and games announcement: instagram, dropbox, pocket,..., forza, limbo and so on
  • I have a couple of things that I think really should be in it. Firstly toast notifications should be stored somewhere (even in the 'me' hub notifications would be fine). Secondly universal search. Thirdly apps need to multitask resume when launched from the home screen rather than relaunching. Things I would like to see: good smartglass integration, and voice integration into the standard apps that come with the phone.
  • Yeah notifications HUB is a MUST
  • I think it will be more about demonstrating how the whole three screen ecosystem, synchronization of your data/pics/games/life as well as cloud on general and all the services come together, not about this or that specific feature of WP8 UX per se (of which we have probably seen most of not all already) (sorry did not have time to read the whole thread so sorry if repeating what others have already said better. :) )
  • The biggest problem with WP7 was that when it was launched it was missing a lot of basic functionality. NoDo added a lot, with MS promising "more still to come". Mango came out, which was huge, but there are still a lot of missing features or things that need to be fixed. Again MS said "don't worry, there's more to come". Tango came out as a minor update, and we were all holding out for Apollo to finally add all the features and tie up all the bugs. Now it seems that WP7 will never be "complete" (I love the OS, but some things could be added/improved/fixed) and I really just hope that WP8 feels "finished" overall. This is especially important for users looking to come from other platforms, as they won't necessarily be as forgiving for missing or broken things.
  • Hopefully WP8 will finally properly support USSD. I use a prepaid card and this has been the very bane of WP7 and no support on sight even on Tango. I have to use my old WM phone just to perform top up transaction or data purchases, then transfer back the SIM to my Optimus 7.
    Concerning the SD card support, does WP8 have settings or does it allow the installation and running applications/games from the SD. During the WP summit, MS showed a slide that states one feature that is supported for SD is installing apps but there reports that says WP8 only allows the installation of applications from SD to internal storage and not from Windows Store to SD.
    This is a big concern since I want the 8S but having < 4GB of internal storage will limit my applications/games installs.
  • At the end of the day, its marketing that sells. Think about how many apple commercials you have seen and can remember vs anyone else. Microsoft and its partners need a rock solid marketing campaign to get things going.
  • And that's what I said  will play into.
  • I agree. I have my L900 because of two local radio hosts talking about there L900 on air. I went and checked it out and bought one. Marketing is a must. If they don't market hard MS will fail.
  • Sorry off topic: Nokia Lumia 920, 820 get official European prices, launching in November!!!
    My Lumia 920 is mine! It's gonna cost me 650 Euros! I'll buy it!!!
  • Yayyyy
  • I don't think there will be much more to see except for compatibility with other Windows Hardware.  They haven't shown me enough of Glass to be impressed... y'know.  But I already think they've revealed too much and by doing so many will be underwhelmed by the final version... just as many were with the Iphone 5... which for the first time in 5 years has been reduced to "just another phone."
    They could have slapped the Windows 8 skin on the Lumia 900 and gave it a bigger harddrive and i would have been like... Sweet!.
  • I agree.  I have seen a million of those Samsung G3 "anti-iPhone" commercials lately (which I love). MS needs to start hitting the marketing HARD!
  • Anti iPhone commercials are lame, Microsoft needs to tought the features that it does well and how they believe their experience is better.  It has worked really well for Apple, who can easily smear mud on Samsung with their camera, build quality, durability, and yes even the screen.
    I would like to see the following stick out in their commercials
      Live Tiles Strong Office Features Battery Life Nokia Camera Nokia Screen Get some real Xbox intergration Get some real Xbox 360 games ported over PC, Phone, and Xbox experience when Windows 8 is realeased. Bashing on another phone is free advertising, it makes you wonder why are they aiming at a specific phone, is it because that phone is that good that it requires Samsungs sole attention.
  • I really think Microsoft should buy the rights to "think different "...... and use it against apple !
    I will admit, the "new thing is already here" commercals are entertaining... As we know all iOS fans are doing the same thing every new model... and almost always disapointed but, will never admit it...
  • Would love to see you guys detail in order all 500 updates to Mango. And if MS is able to pull some really cool stuff we have not heard about out of there (as*) hat, that would be REALLY cool. For example we have heard about Skydrive integration into the XBOX, but have seen no signs to indicate that could be coming end of month. Also, ever since Kinect was released, that Video Kinect app is a stunning addition to the platform that is lacking the addition of the Skype backend. And seeing as there will be a new Xbox platform next year, how badly will that affect holiday sales of the Xbox this year? How cool would it be if MS actually was able to keep a lid on a new Xbox release for this fall? That is asking WAAAAYY to much I know but that Surface announcement somewhat opened up a lot of possibilities to what Microsoft is capable of accomplishing in the secrecy department. This month can't go by fast enough for me.
  • Iv'e had the SDK for a few weeks now and I am very surprised that you guys showed it off considering Microsoft made you agree to the NDA like10x. Even though things you showed off were leaked elsewhere it was still a bold move.   I guess you guys want that ad revenue though.
  • I hoped there is something big to be announced..
  • Its important to note that the majority of what is changing with WP8 is under the hood. The kernel and interals are completely different and that is a bigger change and more important at this time.
  • Here's hoping WP8 SDK will support HTML/JS WinRT-based apps as it currently doesn't (only XAML/C#). I would love to invest time into learning Windows 8 HTML/JS apps, but not if I can't use those skills for WP8. I really think if they miss this, it's going to suck big time... they won't be able to attract front-end developers to WP8. I gotta believe MS realizes this and has plans to support WinRT HTML/JS apps.
    Note that I am being specific here. WP8 will be able to run HTML/JS inside IE and they even provide a project for that (like a native wrapper), but you don't get access to WinRT and you can't use WinJS, so it's definitely not the same as the Windows 8 JS project type equivalent.
  • I'm sure they've done something special with Tellme and Bing.