Windows RT-based Surface and Surface 2 will only get some of the features of Windows 10

Owners of the Windows RT-based Surface and Surface 2 tablets will get an update sometime in the future that will include some,but not all, of the features that Microsoft plans to offer with Windows 10, but details about that update have yet to be revealed.

Windows RT is the version of Windows 8 that Microsoft launched in 2012 that was meant to run on devices with ARM-based processors. Only a few Windows RT-based products were ever released, and the most popular were Microsoft's Surface and Surface 2 tablets. In a statement sent to CNET, a spokesperson stated:

"Surface Pro 3 (and the entire Surface Pro lineup) will update to Windows 10. We are working on an update for [the Windows RT version of] Surface, which will have some of the functionality of Windows 10. More information to come."

Microsoft has not said if it will provide the same update to the small number of third-party Windows RT devices that were released in late 2012, such as the Dell XPS 10 and the Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 11, along with the more recently released Nokia Lumia 2520 tablet.

Source: CNET

John Callaham
336 Comments
  • Wow. RT users really are getting the SHAFT.
  • to be fair, the number of RT users is so low that MS can afford to not spend too much time on it
  • When you consider that 99% of RT users have RT on a Microsoft device, it's a bit harsh. Not like WP7.8 on Nokia devices, it's 100% Microsoft software on 100% Microsoft hardware. Very bad signal.
  • This. Plus one of the benefits of Windows 10 was supposed to be that the NT kernel would truly be universal across the different processor architectures (that's how Windows Phone will get the universal apps). I would have expected Microsoft to make a stronger push for ARM tablets with Windows 10, not kill them off...
  • Exactly, Microsoft should do something for that. Still hope RT can run Windows 10 For Phones.
  • Well, that was the idea until recently! And I think it's the natural way to go, dunno why they wouldn't do this. Remember? They were going to unify RT with Windows Phone, that was the pitch.
  • Microsoft wont abandon PC that are allowed to upgrade
  • am i missing something? the article say they are getting the update, just not all the features. why all the negative comments?
  • Because its only for the surface 2 not other devices. Hence the last paragraph. Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
  • On an RT device you could only get Windows Store apps.   So whats the big fuzz alll about?!?!? If you get Windows 10 and the ability to run Windows Store Apps without the full capabilities of the OS designed for x86 systems, what exactly is going to change for Windows RT users???!!!
      ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!! People here just love to scream and whine about everything. Nothing is ever okay... Did you guys really expect that Windows 10 was going to bring the full desktop OS to ARM based tablets???? I'd hope not... ore else you'd be really, really stupid! Jeeshj!!!! I really cant stand the unfounded bitching, whining and complaining from some users here :S
  • Your an idiot....its Microsoft that's calling all oses windows 10....when they clearly are not....if windows 10 os cannot go on arm devices.....then stupid...."its not windows 10" its window's mobile....it doesn't matter what Microsoft wants us to believe
  • I guess your the kind of guy that believed that with Windows 10 you'd get an desktop environment on your Lumia?!?!?!  Windows 10 will tailor itself to the kind of device its running on. So ARM based phones and tablets, obviously, would not get the full Windows 10 (desktop/pc) experience. But your settings will be saved, your apps will run across multiple devices and it will feel as its all the same everywhere. That being said, not every devices will have the same capabilities, because that would be impossible and different devices need a different approach. Anyone who finished kindergarden should be able to understand the difference, really!
  • You are missing Michael's point. You had a watered down version of Windows 8 and now you will be getting a watered down version of Windows 10. As he said, what are you losing? Absolutely nothing.
  • Michael, As someone that bought a Surface 1 then Surface 2 the first days they were available, I completely agree with your statements. Surface RT is really designed to run only Windows Store apps.  The desktop mode exists to run MS Office and run some OS level tasks not implemented in the "Metro" interface.  Win RT 8.1 added many of the control panel functions to Metro and I expect the RT version of Win 10 will add more desktop functionality to Metro.  Add a Windows store version of MS Office and there will not be a need for the desktop UI.  I predict a command line may be available to support enhanced functions but no desktop. I've been around long enough to remember the transition from DOS to Windows.  Hey, I questioned was it wise to move your hands off of the keyboard to use a mouse and made fun of the Mac users in my office.  Twenty years later I'm hearing the same argument about the new touch focused UI.  Face it, the desktop UI is near legacy status.  If you don't believe me, take a look here - http://youtu.be/hShY6xZWVGE
  • I can relate to that with my Canon 650D with a touch screen compared to my Canon 6D... using touch is much easier to get things done.
  • But the thing is we are NOT getting Windows 10. Or RT. Whatever. If there is one it'll be called 10RT or something right away at the launch event.
  • As I read it, RT devices cannot be updated to Windows 10. They just get a similar looking UI. Remember how WP 7.8 looked a bit like WP 8 with its re sizeable tiles. Bit of bad news for us Surface owners.! Thanks MS.
  • Not bad news, i love my surface RT as it is and will be buying a Pro3, my little boy can have the RT.
  • Suppose the issue for me is my Surface 2 is not very old, but I'm sure it will start to feel that way in the coming years.
  • Not really. You would get a Windows 10 version, with all the features your hardware is capable of. You'd still be able to only buy Windows Store Apps, just as it is now on WinRT. The biggest isseu Windows Phone 7 users had was that they could not install apps specificly designed for Windows Phone 8 on there Windows Phone 7 devices.  With Windows 10 on ARM you will not have this problem. Every modern app created for Windows 8.1 and every modern app that will be created for Windows 10 wil run n your Surface RT or Surface 2. There is absolutely nothing going to change for you, with the one exception that your desktop enviourment, that you now have in Windows RT, will no longer be there. Your filemanaging will change I supose. What they are saying is: Windows RT users will get the slimmed down ARM based version of Windows 10, the same one that is designed for phones and tablets smaller then 8 inches, only Surface RT/2 users will have it on a 10 inch screen. Thats all there is to it.
  • Hi Michael, I truly hope that you are right because to be "orphaned" once again after WP7.8 just doesn't feel right. I had a Lumia 800 and I understood and accepted that for the betterment of the platform, a change needed to be made. That Nokia / MS made WP7.8 was a nice gesture but to some extent I still felt left behind. Core functionality was  intact and even slightly extended with WP7.8 but the small trickle of functional apps for WP7 became even smaller after it was announced WP8 would have a different core, requiring new apps. I knew that WinRT was a relatively small platform when I bought a Surface 2 + Type cover about 4 months ago. Even that there was a small chance it would be left behind like WP7 when I did buy it. But since it was Microsoft hardware with Microsoft software, mostly bought by "loyal" Microsoft customers, I thought that the chance was slim to none it would go the WP7.8 route. Now I am not so sure. Maybe it is Microsofts...eeeuh...lack of good communicating to be clear in what will happen with RT, or maybe I am just too impatient, but in the statement MS did make, it is not said clearly what will happen, but hinted at only "certain Win10 functionality" will come to RT. If you ask me, it sounds a lot like a we are being prepared for a WP7.8 scenario again. Just the fact that RT was not mentioned in the presentation last week (all other platforms - Xbox, phones, x86 PC's - were mentioned...only some lines in the Q&A section about RT) is telling. I hope I am wrong, but I am not sure. I like my Surface 2 a lot and when an update comes (in whatever form) it will still be one of the best devices I have ever owned. But for it to be practically shelved so shortly after spending €400 on it only a little while ago...it just would not feel right. And app support for new (and eventually existing) apps would certainly be out the window. Please MS: don't let me be right!
  • WP7.8
    Never forget, never forgive
  • Well, they (we) were the few users that believed in Microsoft's hardware vision and supported them with our money, I think it's pretty sad that are betrayed and get left out of this revolution.
  • I was an early adopter. I wanted to support MS,. I was concerned that they would dump the platform if it failed, but they gave express assurances that they will continue to support to platform, I was a great supporter of the RT. I will be very upset if they do not provide a proper upgrade. [I was always expectring desktop to be less availavlbe once the office touch apps are available]
  • What I think you're trying to say is, I accept your money, thank you, but if you've seen do not remember you. Like you my money worth the same and my Surface 2 I bought in September 2014 and January 2015, ie 4 to 5 months later, I say it's obsolete.  
  • Why did you by a Windows RT tablet when there are Windows 8.1 tablets for the same price or cheaper? Some of the cheaper tablets even included a detachable keyboard.  
  • Surface RT came with Microsoft office. At the time, on any full windows 8 device, I would have had to purchase that separately. It is a great device and still does everything I need it for, but it stinks that Microsoft appears to be forgetting us.
  • So you get what you pay for. Cheap stuff with free bundle. What more did you expect?
  • Yep. As an RT owner this really does not bother me. I think in the future I will be upgrading to a pro anyways.
  • I have a Surface RT. Bought it when they first came out.  I don't consider myself being shafted. While it would be nice to be able to get Windows 10 on my Surface, I realize the product is 1st gen and may not be compatable with new OS upgrades.  My Surface RT is not my workhorse productivity device, nor was it ever meant to be.  As long as Microsoft provides enough features so that my Surface will continues to work seamlessly with my other devices, I'm okay with that.  I'm definatley not in the camp that believes regardless how old a piece of hardware is, that it should be able to be upgraded indefinately as technology advances.
  • If you get the update which will enable you to run all the latest universal apps than you will have an up to date device.
  • Wow very mature response
  • My entire family owns Surface RTs. I guess we're all just confused as to not just why Microsoft wouldn't bring Windows 10 to the original Surface, but why it would even be a challenge. I mean, if they can bring Windows 10 to a Lumia 520 then why can't they bring it to a Surface RT?
  • The first thing you should do is stop selling Microsoft product. Or at least explain previous purchase only can update some features of Windows 10. It is a complete shame. I feel cheated.
  • Because what would it run? The ARM SKU of Windows 10 is only for devices 7" and under. The problem is that Microsoft oversold Windows 10 running everywhere. In reality, this was a crude, but smart decision, as it shows that RT is finally dead, and it makes a clear distinction between mobile and desktop. I saw this coming from the very beginning and that's why I never bought into one.
  • Did they say they wouldnn't? Seems to me with the small number of RT users they just didn't prioritse getting it ready for this event. I'm sure it will be for release and hopefully before that for preview. What it'll be I imagine is the feature set of Windows on phones (minus the calls & phone features) but sized to be the same as what you'd get on a Surface Pro. ie. no desktop cos that's no longer needed with Office Touch, but otherwise a big tablet version, Windows 10 for devices larger than 8" basically.
  • Bingo.
  • The details are ambiguous from the Cnet statement. They said they would be bringing some of the features but never said RT wouldn't get 10 at all. Better to wait till there is official clarification on the matter.
  • They would need to maintain RT for another product life cycle.
    RT is going to be segmented then phased out like WP7 devices.
    Glad I didn't buy a SP2 RT the other day..
  • Just like you I have owned a Surface from new and I don't feel like I'm being treated unfairly. At least not yet. There are no details of what will happen to Windows RT so it's too early to say if the devices will be of any use in the Windows 10 world or not.
  • 1. Segmentation. Microsoft will differentiate W10 on RT.
    2. They will provide at most minor user end updates. Thinking 'RT' features such as desktop will be made possible by docking phones.
  • Agree 100%. I use my original Surface all the time, but I knew it was never meant to replace a full laptop. People really are expecting a little too much from this update I think...but, that's what happens when there's a whole lotta hype about something before everything is officially announced
  • This. It is definitely not my work house, but great for the one game I play on it. Browsing the web and using a few apps. I love the thing.
  • Agreed. I purchased my Surface RT at release in 2012 and I'm not angry. In my case, I may not be disappointed as I plan to get the next generation Surface Pro that ships. I think as long as Touch Office, Cortana & the new notification are added that's more than enough. No one expected the Surface to be a laptop, it's a tablet...and if you look at Android & iOS, they surely don't abandon there tablet models after just one major update. So that's another way to look at it. Microsoft should at least feel obligated to give a full Windows 10 experience to Surface RT & Surface 2 owners.
  • You mean Apple. Most android phones companies have 0 support after a product is released.
  • Not really, I have a two year old HTC One M7 which shipped with Jelly Bean, received KitKat, (not to mention update versions of Sense UI from HTC, shipped with Sense 5, received 6 and will be getting 7) and is scheduled to receive Lollipop in the coming months. Your statement may be true of the lower end & budget Androids, but a lot of the high end Android devices are being supported for 2+ years with OS updates. I would think Microsoft would support one of it's own flagship devices for atleast one major OS update. A short life cycle is almost expected of a budget product, but the Surface RT was over $600 after including th type cover.
  • The flagship is the Surface Pro series.
  • My Surface RT runs today.  It will run tomorrow.  I have no expectation of getting Windows 10, it would be nice to get a refresh of course.  Store Apps should still run on it, as they do now.  Business as normal.
  • And we have a WINNER!!! Just when I was starting to fear the entire Windows community had transmuted into a mob of whiny . . . whiners, nice to see some conventional wisdom enter the discussion.
  • Probably just the new Start screen and nothing else. The beta test is over! Windows Phone 8 all over again.
  • This. They're doing the same kind of thing to RT users as they did to WP7 users. Seriously they should've at least offered a trade-in program to minimize the damage done to their reputation. I can imagine some RT users becoming Microsoft haters after this.
  • Maybe they will
  • Its called getting Microshafted :P
    TRADE-INS? They are still dumping Surface RTs >.>
    That is unethical imo.
  • Why, they are getting Windows 10.  For free, how are they getting the shaft?  Windows 10 is not out the door yet, so wait and see what happens.  Did you really expect to get all the features of the Intel based Windows 10, on 2 year old hardware, that is running arm.  Just like phones, the older stuff does not get all the features.  Maybe in the future when Arm are as powerful as Intel processors, but till then.
  • The part that confuses me is that WP8 devices run on Arm. Why can't RT get at a minimum everything WP8 gets under the hood? Perhaps it will. Then again, perhaps this is why there was no Surface Mini, nor a Surface 3 because they realised they were going to sunset RT. It makes me wonder if they're going to move phones to Intel eventually. It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
  • It's the opposite. RT costed a lot in development, were trying to get a feel of the market.
    Us WP users will get all the RT features, and Surface RT users will get a slap of fresh paint :(
  • Not really, we knew the desktop was getting the chop in Windows (RT) 10 therefore we should get the Action Center, Continuum, Cortana and the new version of Office but any win32 stuff, the desktop and the taskbar will be gone.
  • That's what I hope for...I guess we will have to wait and see
  • I know, I was wandering if my Surface 2 would get any love. It's ok, it still runs great, my only complaint I can think of is how spoiled I've become with WordFlow....i have to think to type on wife's iPhone
  • "We are working on an update for [the Windows RT version of] Surface, which will have some of the functionality of Windows 10."
    Maybe they are referring to the new Windows 10 RT/ARM that ARM-based phones, phablets and tablets will run? That version won't have all the functionality of Windows 10. Also, some would argue todays Windows RT 8.1 doesn't have all the functionality of x86 Windows 8.1 (the ability to run x86 programs).
  • It is Windows Phone 7.8 all over again
  • +910 Microshafted editon
  • Paid only $220 for my surface, it runs well but I'm looking forward to an upgrade when the time comes. I'm glad they are killing off rt. Too hard to explain to consumers.
  • I own and love my original Surface RT. Got it till I can get a full Surface (4). I don't feel shafted at all. You can't expect a $200 Surface tablet to be fully same as a $600 Surface Pro computer! I knew it was limited in ways (only compared to Surface Pros of course). I knew RT couldn't do full everything, that's why it's RT. I didn't expect RT to get Windows 10 at all (because RT couldn't get 10 Preview). I thought they were gunna fully kill it before 10! So I'm happy it'll get 10! I understand it's an off-shoot, & it's hardware/software are different/limited from FULL Intel computers. It does everything I ever need it to do. Basic things like Netflix, stream movies/tv, output to my tv, games, web, USB/flash drive, full Office for school, backup phone, hell even torrent (allegedly). The ONLY thing I don't like about RT getting 10, is it might ALLEGEDLY remove the 'Desktop' & file explorer... Which I love & use often.
  • They are still selling RT devices. That is the only reason why RT is getting 'W10'.
  • Yeah we are. And just imagine the poor slobs like me - I also bought into a... Zune:  The HD was wonderful but really only like 5-6 apps ever developed for it and a disaster.  I lost money. Kin:  Poor little phone.  3 massive months of life before the plug was pulled. I Lost Money 2 Surface RTs: we know this story. So much for cross platform compatability. If ARM based phones are getting Windows 10, how come ARM based Surface tablets arent getting it? Even using the feeble argument of scalability and one size fits all.  I lost a $1000 on 2 of these winners... Windows 8:  Bought this update - we know how this story ends. I had similar experince early on as an early adopter with Android.  G1 (never had an update before becoming obsolete), and a mytouch 3g (the second ever Android device) only received 1 partial security update over a year after promised and then it was dead.  Lost money on a contract with these winners and never went back since. They best come up with something for the RT people or I'm seriously buying fruit flavored hardware from here on out. It's the ONLY platform to offer long term usability and updates. I can't give Microsoft any more money and I also beg to differ there are millions of RT users. Get up to date. They eventually sold the vast majority of their RT stock and eventually made most of that write down back.  
  • Shit, i seriously thought we were getting some good news with Windows 10 also running on Windows Phone. Why the hell cant rt get updated to windows 10? Wtf.
  • Do you really want a phone ui on an 11" landscape tablet?
  • I don't see why it would be worse than on a landscape 8 inch tablet, like the one shown in the event
  • Isn't that what the vast majority of tablet users have ;) with their iPads ;)
  • As much as I love noth of my Surfaces (Original RT and 2), I think we are seeing the end of RT devices.  With the new processors on the market that are making full Windows tablets slim, light, fanless and with decent battery life, I can't see whyt MS needs to continue down the RT road.  It just doesn't make sense to have the split ecosystem anymore.
  • Yes, i hope so. I hate RT ...
  • Why, I have been very happy with my RT tablet. What is there to hate. Its like a Chromebook on steroids.
  • But you can run Linux on Chromebooks and if it's an Intel one you can use Wine to run Windows applications. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I'm sure running Linux and Wine with Windows applications is a great experience, but I'm not interested. I do pretty much everything I need with my Surface2, rdp to my work desktop gives me even more. Its all I need with me if I'm on call or out of the office.
  • Chromebook + WINE? Not worth it :P
  • Real intelligent. You don't like it, so you hope everyone that has a device gets screwed. You're a genius.
  • I really like my RT. It's my go to device for when I went to play around or check things out.
  • +1 ... Thought the same :/
  • Because that ARM SKU is built for devices 7" and under. It was never made for the Surface. Plus, it would look ridiculous.
  • If it still runs store apps then who cares. 7.8 could not run new apps.
  • I own and love my original Surface RT. Got it till I can get a full Surface (4). I don't feel shafted at all. You can't expect a $200 Surface tablet to be fully same as a $600 Surface Pro computer! I knew it was limited in ways (only compared to Surface Pros of course). I knew RT couldn't do full everything, that's why it's RT. I didn't expect RT to get Windows 10 at all (because RT couldn't get 10 Preview). I thought they were gunna fully kill it before 10! So I'm happy it'll get 10! I understand it's an off-shoot, & it's hardware/software are different/limited from FULL Intel computers. It does everything I ever need it to do. Basic things like Netflix, stream movies/tv, output to my tv, games, web, USB/flash drive, full Office for school, backup phone, hell even torrent (allegedly). The ONLY thing I dont like about RT getting 10, is it might ALLEGEDLY remove the 'Desktop' & file explorer... Which I love & use often.
  • Not forgeting lumia 2520
  • +2520
  • Love my 2520
  • Ahhh..how about the 2520..you know the other brand that MS owns that runs RT?
  • Not happy at the moment. I have 2 Surface 2 tablets I bought last year that won't get windows 10?!
  • No, you'll get the equivalent of Windows 10 RT, just like you have 8.1 RT now
  • I was a big fan of RT, hoping for convergence between Windows Phone and RT, and a bright future for Windows on Arm. I preordered the original Surface RT. That all died for me when the 8" tablets came out and none supported RT. Not even a Microsoft or Nokia-branded device. That's what the 2520 should have been, IMO. I was forced to get an Intel-based tablet to get the 8" form-factor. And it was a revelation. Things that had been a struggle for me on RT (such as dearchiving) were built into the OS on x86! So people like me abandoned RT, for lack of any other option if we wanted a small tablet... and we discovered we kind of liked it once we'd done it.
  • Speak only for yourself. I chose an atom based Asus tablet and thought that I loved it but the screen and overall performance plus the poor battery life had me wanting for something better. I was so concerned about running full Windows programs but realized I only used Chrome and it was actually pretty awful and that the modern apps were more that efficient. Then something magical happened, I bought a Lumia 2520 and I cannot keep it out of my hands. I even find that I don't need the power keyboard and it has most of the apps that are on my 1520. So yeah I would like an update as there are no other tablets that interest me
  • I've got 2520 too and it is very nice and battery lasts like forever. One problem though, occasionally the touch screen is not responding when I wake up the tablet from sleep. I have to boot the thing to recover. After getting the MS Wedge Mobile Keyboard, the touch screen has been working more stable. It is some kind of power saving issue I guess. Have you had issues with the touch screen?
  • It didn't say you weren't getting 10, you wont be getting all the features, whatever that means.
  • So does this mean rt will finally die after Windows 10 comes out?
  • RT is already dead. It died after the Surface 2.
  • And that's a shame because I don't need more than RT. So I will enjoy it for many years to come with 8.1. MS wants users to use 10, that's why its free. If they don't update my surface 2 to Windows 10, then I won't use 10. It's that simple. Like people on windows 7. MS want you to go to windows 8 (and pay again) but many don't care what MS want. They paid for W7 and will stay there.
  • Except, Windows 7 users can get the free upgrade to Windows 10.
  • RT is dead as evident from the Surface Pro 3 announcement. There's no real point anymore because Intel CPUs have gotten a lot better during that timeframe and it caused a lot of confusion for those who don't keep a close eye on Microsoft. As for me, I really like it. As long as they produce that touch version of Office for RT then I'm really happy. Don't really need anything, apart from, maybe, Spartan.
  • Very disappointed. People think Microsoft's incompetence killed RT, when really it was the ignorance of consumers.
  • RIP, 2520. I hardly knew thee...
  • Windows RT 8.10, just like the WP7.8 was.
  • Yep, and that "upgrade" didn't give us much...
  • WP7.8 gave me enough to make me happy for another year, but ofcourse my world really opened when I bought a WP8 device ;)
  • It does feel a little like that. But certainly it can't be that bad.
  • Maybe they'll be clever and call the final version of Windows RT "Windows 9". ;-)
  • LOL All doom and gloom arent the? As an owner of 3 Surface RT's and a Surface Pro 3 I dont see this as all that bad at all. The devices are NOT new by all means .. These devices were literally released to bridge the gap between the time frame intel had to release a decent x86 processor that wouldnt require nearly as much power. Which if you look at todays chip's they have done a pretty damn good job. Also why you dont really see ANY windows 8 tablets that are ARM because it doesnt make sense to even bother with that. Anyways if you still have a Surface RT then its time to move on man you will def. use your tablet a hell of alot more when its running a full blown copy of windows 8.1. I am still amazed that I can run Visual Studio with all my add-on's, Ableton Live with all my vsti plug-in's all from a device as slim and sleek as my Surface Pro 3.
  • Bummer... This may be the final kick I need to upgrade my Surface RT tablet to a Surface Pro 3.
  • Just wait for 4. Surely around the corner
  • You owe it to yourself to get a SP3.
  • I have an original Surface RT. Love it! It got the job done for two years till I get the new Surface 4.
  • Great news. Still use my RT
  • Yeah. I'm still rocking a Surface Rt!
  • I guess "Windows 10 on all devices" didnt really mean all devices. Honestly, what is MSFT thinking?
  • Well now I do feel like I've been kicked in the ricker by Microsoft. That will teach me for believing in msft and buying into their products, never again. Very disappointed, lets hope Msft really do follow through on their promise and I get SOMETHING.....doubtful
  • Then go to Apple, oh wait the older devices do not get all the features... Go to Android...oh wait they barely get updates.  You are getting Windows 10 so stop the whining.
  • Actually those of us on non pro surface tablets will not get windows 10. Read the quote again. We're getting "some of the functionality of Windows 10." This is the same thing they said to WP 7.5 users when they gave us 7.8.
  • I read it as RT is getting Windows 10 but with a small subset of the features instead, which is likely to be some form of the Continuum tablet interface, Cortana, Action Center and the new version of Office but any win32 stuff, desktop and taskbar won't be available.
  • Great so what features are you getting and not getting.  Also comparing this to WP 7.5 is not correct as no one with WP 7 phone could go to WP8.  Maybe you will get the same features as what is going to be on the phone version.  Which would make sense as the desktop mode in RT is very limited, and would truley make it a tablet.
  • Hate to break it to you but .. Surfare RT will still run Universal App's the same as they do now .. the Store will still have developers putting out Universal App's as the "ModernUI Store App's" will most likely still be WinRT API's like they are today. So before you jump off the cliff you still have a couple years with that device .. if by then you cannot manage to upgrade then thats on you I guess.
  • You really took it literally didn't you? There wouldn't be desktop for phones or desktop for RT devices. They are unifying the OS for better syncronization and for uniformity. Windows 10 on all devices meaning the apps, the fluidity and functionality will be strenghtened thus making a better WINDOWS experience. Not just desktop, not just RT, not just phone but the overall Windows experience. Isn't that fantastic? Microsoft is finally closing the gaps of these three devices and solidifying Windows. With that, RT devices run on ARM processors while the others run on Intel processors. I'm pretty sure that would make a difference with Desktop and legacy programs. Especially legacy programs. Did you expect desktop to come to Windows Phones too? I hope not.
  • Where did I say I wanted or expected desktop on phones or RT devices? MS is the one touting Windows 10 on all devices, without a caveat. But the caveat is it's coming to RT with "some of the functionality" Without knowing what that functionality may or may not be, how can I or others not be concerned?
  • And desktop on RT is really mostly there for non-touch Office. Give us touch-based Office and most wouldn't even want/need the desktop. I've already got a Surface Pro 3, but I'd break out my old RT tablet if they did something cool like allow WP apps to run on it finally.
  • Are there really anyone with a RT that have missed that it's not a full version of Windows?
    Oh, the new version of my car have a new engine. I demand to get it in my old model to...
  • Thank you!!!
  • Yea, my Pocket PC isn't getting Win10 either. It's certainly not 'all devices'. :0)
  • Bastards! ;þ
  • Hopefully they do the Lumia 2520 too since they also own that one.
  • Oh man.. My Surface 2.. Some functionality.. I can't afford a Pro 3..
  • I have the Surface and Surface 2, but even I knew the chances of getting Windows 10 was very slim. They both have served it's purpose. Any update they do get is welcomed
  • I hope at least that new apps for Windows 10 will still be compatible with Surface and Surface 2 tablets. I was hoping Windows 10 would bring more apps to the store.
  • My guess is they upgrade the WinRT API's and the maybe align the UI somewhere between What we have and Windows 10. There really isn't a lot that needs to be changed with Windows RT 8.1, other than making sure apps work in the future and you get Cortana, etc. Windows 8.1 works pretty well on the Surface and Surface 2, so there isn't a ton they need to do.
  • Exactly, we should also get Action Center and the new version of Office as well. That will effectively make RT into what it should have been in the first place, an iPad competitor.
  • A subset ( or more ) of new Win 10 functions, the new Store and Unviersal App support and I'm happy. Yes, it's a bit of a bummer we don't get full Win10, but as long as it is moving along with the new apps etc. I'm fine with it. I'm only not entirely sure on loosing the desktop with that update, as I use it still quite often.
  • Doesn't WP run on ARM? The code for is supposedly the same as on PC now, right? So shouldn't Win 10 run the same on ARM tablets as it does phone?
  • No. That ' universal' code runs on top of other code that is designed for the RT ARM platform.
  • This is a bad move, just 6 months ago bought the Lumia 2520, now it already DEAD???? Not pleased.
  • It stopped working yesterday??
  • When the Nokia 2520 came out the death of RT was already announced. It's your fault only that you didn't read the writings on the wall. After WP7, you should have seen it coming. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • ^This
    I'll get your desktop in docking mode though ;)
    They aren't just going to scrap all that development
  • Goodnight Surface RT; sounds like what they said before Windows Phone 7.8...
  • I have a Surface RT and Surface 2, really hope I don't get screwed. I want universal apps and a touch friendly Office. The rest isn't as important.
  • For the RT crowd, this ' some functionality' may be similar to how you now have 'some functionality' of Windows 8.1. The tablets were bought knowing they weren't full Windows and never would be. You might not be getting as 'shafted' as you think. I hope so, for your sakes...
  • Yeah, that's how I read it, too.
  • Exactly! People are so quick to see only the negative. I took it as they will get Windows 10 but obviously wont become x86 compatible.
  • And similar to how some phones got "Denim" but in name only as the upgrades weren't relevant/possible on their device.
  • that's a good point. many of the improvements relate to the desktop. which rt doesn't have. if they provide cortana, spartan, and all the universal apps work, the rt device will be fully functional. i'm guessing direct x 12 won't be there since the video chip probably won't support it.
  • Don't forget the Action Center and the new version of Office as well, I'm sure those will make it across too. FYI RT does have a desktop but only to run Office and my guess is the desktop will go in Windows (RT) 10.
  • The RT Desktop also runs file explorer, a desktop (non-metro touch) version of IE, desktop version of Office, as well as still provides a desktop.
  • Apart from the file explorer and Office why would you need a desktop on RT? A file explorer can be implemented in the Modern UI and Office is getting a touch optimised version, IE already has a Modern UI version anyway.
  • Thats exactly how I read it as well.  It impossible for anything RT to get full Windows 10 as RT can't run x86 apps.
  • Yeah, I got a Surface 2 for Christmas. I would have been fine with the mobile version of windows, but I'm not pleased about getting some half-ass maybe-sorta-kinda Windows 10 "update." We're getting fucked on this one.
  • Mobile Version? Noo...come on. How can u make sure that all Apps work? WhatsApp e.g. can not work.
    It is just not possible to check whick App will work ...
  • So you'd be happy with the mobile version of Windows 10 (which is far less capable than RT8.1 today), but you won't be happy with updated functionality of RT as it is? ​
  • AT&T Nokia Lumia 2520 tablet too maybe?
  • well if you know the rationale of developing RT devices then you wouldn't complain much. RT was supposed to be a down-sized version of the original OS so it could run on a cheaper and slimmer device and load a lot faster (my Surface RT is really fast, faster than my dad's Surface Pro and I use my Surface a lot more often than he does), but then the improvements in processors allowed the production of slimer and better devices so RT is not needed now. It makes sense that devices running RT would get a downsized version of the new OS (i.e. no full functionality).
  • This is disappointing news. My Surface 2 does everything I need a tablet/laptop to do and I love it... I hope they make hardware available with similar spec/size/price... The stretch to the price of a Surface Pro 3 is too big for an everyday device, I think. Watch this space, I guess!
  • So much for my surface 2 :-( . So my $200 Blu Win HD will run windows 10 but my $600 surface 2 won't? Wow.
  • Did you read the article???
  • where did you get that? clearly says there will be an update. the update to the blu won't have all the features they showed for the desktop.
  • thecanuckguy ymcpa  Yes miscorsoft said all devices will get windows 10 (specifically they were talking about windows 8 and wp8). For them to comment that the Win RT verison would be different from this W10 is odd. Yes w10 pc will have less functions than win10 mobile, but i would have thought w10 rt would have been the middle man. Also as it stands WP8.1 hardware would get Win 10 before Win rt hardware because of the windows insider program.  Makes me question when would we even see this windows 10 rt edition or even hear more about it. Now that I know the presentation was refering to W8 and WP8 devices (heck we even heard about xbox one). 
  • I have a Surface RT and I'm a bit sad, but if they'll bring universal app support, Cortana and some other stuff, I would be satisfied anyway. Most of the new experience comes with the new apps, so it's not all that bad. ARM Windows tablets are in a Limbo, sort of. They have a mobile SOC so they can't have full Windows, but they are also too large for the mobile OS.
  • sad sad news... I had hope in MS... now Im losing it... if that is the case, my next tablette will not be a microsoft one...
  • Since RT doesn't have a real desktop, most of the features won't translate over. I figure as long as the new hubs such as people and photos and of course Cortana make the move over to RT, that'll make it on par. Remember the entire point of RT was that only the Metro interface was available. The only reason that the desktop was there was so much of the settings and Office hadn't been switched over to Metro yet. So many of the features of Windows 10 was bringing the desktop back into focus.  And really, since Windows Phone supports 6 inch screens and Windows 8.1 is on 7 inch screens, there isn't a need for RT. I'm just glad that Microsoft isn't just ignoring the RT users. And I'm certain that other companies would have just said too bad. Buy the new product to get the new features. 
  • Darn​, I've been saying that I hope Microsoft doesn't cut off RT users like BlackBerry did with the PlayBook, but I guess that's the case. Can't really blame them though (and you can't really blame BlackBerry either) as RT is something that's behind them, and since RT doesn't have a big user base, it's not really worth catering for.
  • Then MS should stop selling RT devices. PERIOD
  • I definitely agree with that. They still sell the Surface 2 online, but apparently not in stores anymore, so that's a start I guess ​
  • Ok, I guess it depends on what "some of the features" means. I dont want apps in windows. I dont want the new start menu. I do want cortana and synced notifications. I want to be able to run all Windows 10 universal apps. I want all apps in the new future to run on RT.
  • The toggle like the Pro and other tablets do would be fine with me.
    As long as they give us the metro features, Cortana, etc, I'd be fine with a less feature version on my 2 year at time of 10 launch Surface 2.
  • Oh, and I want Spartan - preferably in full screen/snapped like metro IE11.
  • Just a quick question to all you RT owners.  Which would you prefer? The same version of Windows 10 that will go on phones and tablets smaller then 8in(meaning no desktop for you)? Or maintain your desktop and have modified version of RT with some Windows 10 features? Because those are your only options most likely.  MS probably figures you guys want to keep the desktop and that's why they are going with option 2.  If you'd prefer option 1 then don't cry here.  Let them know.
  • The comments section is for crying tough guy.  And to answer your question, option 1. 
  • Albeit I've replaced my RT with a SP3, I still use it once in a while when I need to write for longer (the SP3 battery, for obvious reasons, lasts less). So, for me, it depends on how well the mobile version of Office is. And that I can only evaluate once I have it. If the mobile version (or "Universal App version") isn't as good as the normal version of Office, then I rather have a special version of Windows 10 RT. If it's as good, then I don't mind if they put Windows (mobile) 10 on RT devices.
  • Literally the only reason for the desktop on a RT tablet is Office (and a few other built in apps) so as long as Office touch comes with the update and I can access Cortana a different way, feel free to kill the desktop.
  • Honestly I wouldn't care either way. I use the desktop UI on my surface 2 more than anything. I would like to just know some sort of update. Thus far the w10 presentation seemed to only be refering to WP8 and W8. How much different could RT be?
  • I would prefer them to give us some form of Continuum as the UI, Cortana, Action Center and the new version of Office and I'll be happy. Oh and Project Spartan.
  • All I want is cortana, synced notification center, Spartan, and maybe the new settings stuff. If you take away the desktop, that's fine, but you better give me a full featured file explorer (NOT the OneDrive App). I spend a a decent amount of time in Explorer access shared network resources, media files, etc.  
  • @Pallentx I completely agree. Everyone going on about 'desktop is only there for office' I use it as a file explorer too, and if they removed it they had better replace it with a great alternative.
  • I tend to forget they're are things the OneDrive doesn't access... =[
  • I find the desktop on Windows RT very usefull when the touch interface just didn't cut it. Try to navigate network shares or Powershell remoting with Android or iOS out of the box. And there are some websites which detects the Modern version of IE as a mobile browser and either loads a mobile version of said website or says your device isn't compatible (most notably new Linksys routers). OK the problem with routers also happens with desktop IE 11 but you can F12 and change the profile to IE10 and voilá. You can't do that on Modern IE.
  • Neither are options. The term ARM is thrown ambiguously, would take a lot of work to get WP on a Surface. It is a dilemma for Surface owners
  • "The term ARM is thrown ambiguously..." WTF are you on about!!! You do know that ARM is a processor architecture so it's not just a "term thrown ambiguously" it's the architecture your WP runs on and the architecture Windows RT runs on, therefore it wouldn't "...take a lot of work to get WP on a Surface." Who says it would and who says Windows 10 on Surface would be exactly like WP? Both are based on ARM and the only real difference is the size of the display.
  • I only want Spartan on my Surface RT.
  • My 2520 does what I bought it to do. It would be good if I could update it to Windows 10, but I don't care if its not...
  • Have you had any touch screen issues with yours. My 2520 occasionally has to be booted because the touch is not responding :(
  • Ironically that's a driver issue, the Human Interface Devices in the Device Manager of the Control Panel has the place to fix that. Just make sure you connect a mouse to it or is a bit harder to do... =[
  • Now I'm VERY interested to hear more. Do you have more information about this fix you can share? I've been trying to figure out for almost a month now how to recover when the touch screen becomes unresponsive without booting the device. I even bought MS Wedge Mobile keyboard just for that reason. Yesterday I got the touch screen not responding issue and was able to login using keyboard, but I did not find any way of restarting the touch device. I've still two days to try the tablet and Í can return it to the store and get money back. This is the only showstopper issue I've been having with this device .
  • How do you update the driver? I never had a problem with mine...
  • Hi, no, I've not had that problem. I did have a problem when closing the keyboard case and then opening it later but that's not an issue any more. I recently had the power keyboard replaced under warranty as it's battery wouldn't charge, but no other issues. I don't want/need it do what my i7 xps 15 does, but most people don't "get" RT - an iPad can't do what a Mac does, but people don't accept that RT can't do what a pc does...
  • "I don't want/need it do what my i7 xps 15 does, but most people don't "get" RT - an iPad can't do what a Mac does, but people don't accept that RT can't do what a pc does..." You've just hit the nail right on the head with that comment, I agree completely. Most people just don't get that RT is primarily a competitor to the iPad and not the Mac. I don't need a hybrid device that duplicates the functions of my desktop, I need a hybrid device that functions as a COMPANION to my desktop which is something that Windows RT devices do extremely well.
  • Do you get phantom touches showing up in the top corners of the screen when the issues occur for you? The reason I ask is because that happens for me on my Surface RT and, ironically, the fix for me is to reboot the device as well.
  • I have 2 Asus vivotab rts. If I don't get win 10, I will be updating to sp3
  • MS should upgrade Surface RT to windows 10. No apps for surface RT. Windows 10 will solve the problem. At least the phone version will do
  • I'm not sure why people are shocked. Surface Rt was not a full version of windows 8/8.1 so why would you be able to get a full version of windows 10? The surface 1&2 non pro versions were never intended to have full operating systems due to their ARM architecture. They're just like an iPad but with more productivity features like the keyboard, USB, and MS Office.
  • Could be wrong, but I believe most people thought Windows 10 would bring a merger of RT and WP. I don't think people are expecting the full version of Windows 10 on their RT devices.
  • Lets not forget that tablets will have unity, the choice if desktop or modern UI.
    And were Surface 2 owners aren't as stupid as you think. Were know they can't run win 32 applications, and were don't expect them to magically be able to with Windows 10.
  • Exactly. The only reason that the RT wasn't fully Metro was because there was no version of Office ready for it. Now there is. I firmly believe that, when they say we won't receive the full update, they mean we won't receive any of the desktop functions. With 10 we really won't need the desktop taking up space anymore.
  • No, because Microsoft was thinking of ditching Intel for their hardware devices.
    The desktop port took way more effort than an office app LOL
  • People are shocked because the surface app store is horrendous. The idea of accessing all apps from the phone store was very appealing because of the much greater selection. To be overlooked and pass off a comment like "surface rt will operate some form of W10 but we don't know what yet, we will let you know at a later date but we dont know when that is either" is a massive palm off to surface owners.
  • GREAT!  Why in the hell does every device (pc, phone, other tablets) get upgraded with Win10 but RT doesn't?  You telling me the specs in my 2520 aren't powerful enough?  That's BS
  • I expect it to run like the phones... Full tile (metro) style.
  • Microsoft abandon's 1 of their products, wow that has never happened before.
  • There's no "abandoned" - they said its getting an update. Its wont be full desktop W10 and it wont be the phone version. As long as it keeps running new apps, its not abaondoned. I'm not really interested in making RT more like a desktop OS, which has been the focus of W10 so far.
  • RIP WP7, Zune, could go on and on...
  • You know what's funny? Those things still work...kinda. =P
  • RT getting some features?  Reminds me of my 900 getting some features of WP 8.  lol.  Windows RT 9.8.   Not really surprising though.  Its a deprecated platform, not quite yet on oxygen but very mature. What I want most is WordFlow on it.
  • That's why they skipped to 10. That way RT could get a number bump lol (not RT 8.8, RT 9.8!!!... Genius!)
  • You know you could just write in the space for handwriting recognition? They just didn't have a good stylus for it... =/
  •     I really love my Surface 2, which I might add I got last month. I hope when they say "some of the functionality" they mean no desktop, no continuum, and maybe even no "Hey, Cortana". I would really like for it to be supported as long as they say Windows 10 will be.     I hope they don't take their loyal customers who embraced their first and second attempts to make a new category of devices on a new OS which wouldn't have to worry about viruses and got amazing battery life. A device perfect for non-professionals who don't care about using old desktop apps they rarely even use on their PC anyways.    There is no reason they cannot support Windows RT. If my Lumia Icon with a ARM chip can have Windows 10 then my Surface 2 with a ARM chip can too.
  • Agreed.
  • Well that is rough. At least it is not as bad as the release of the flagship Lumia 900 with win7.5 to be replaced by the Lumia 920 not even a year later... that was rough. The Surface non-pro devices were not particularly popular, and not exactly aimed at the high-end enthusiast crowd, so it will not be nearly as big of a deal. Still rough, but not nearly as bad as the fallout of the last OS upgrades.
  • Microsoft should offer a buyback program for those who have bought for example Lumia 2520. Over 600 € device should be significant enough to justify some sort of upgrade instead of graveyard.
  • Windows will eventually run on Arm architecture. Of course it will have limited function, for example like now you cant run full fledged programs on them but you will get the unified apps. It's an app device. Saying that, ANY Arm device should be able to ruN 10 that includes devices by other manufactures if you can flash thier roms.
  • I think rt will get something like the phone version. It's arm enabled.
  • This is what I'm assuming and what I figured would happen. But this statement from them really makes it unclear if that's true or not. I'd be perfectly happy with the "phone" version on my Surface 2. I don't care about desktop. I just want it to be up to date and have Office.
  • If Windows 10 is truly as flexible as they are making it out to be, why is it an issue at all?
  • It's not, they're being flexible... You know that most of the devices getting the OS are also missing some features? Like for the IOT kinda stuff, they don't have to have all the entire OS to work, just the brain and an SDK. it's not that complicated, they just want things to work the way they're meant to. =[
  • RT is not getting left in the dust. It'll get everything Windows 10 will offer in regards to what RT devices can already do with Windows 8.1. Anyone with an RT device already knows the limitations it has compared to a device running full Windows 8.1, and those limitations will remain. MSFT can't go out and say RT is going to receive ALL updates that Windows 10 is receiving because it's simply not compatible and unnecessary. Personally, I see no need for Desktop modes to make their way onto the RT devices. It's all a step backwards.
  • I don't understand why the don't support to much their RT devices.... if they can update a Phone .... why so much trouble to make a windows 10 rt compatible... they should at least change the RT version to the Windows Phone Version... something similar to the iPhone and the iPad.... I think they don't do it because the Surface and Surface 2 are great devices and people won't buy an Atom tablet if they could use a Surface (with updates and support, of course)
  • I have a Surface 2 that I use every day. It's good to hear we're getting some of W10's features in an update. As long as Microsoft continues supporting the Surface, I'm happy. With the power cover, and Office RT, it's a great laptop replacement.
  • So my 2520 has reached EOL. Burned. Hasn't even been two years. Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
  • You're... You know what? Nevermind. =/
  • The writing was on the wall the day the first Atom tablet was sold but blind fanboys wouldnt see it. And there is even less reason to whine when you realise how old the hardware actually is and when it was originally released, not when you bought it. RT, deat at last.   Now hopefully we can look forward to a cheaper Atom or Core M powered Surface to go alonside an Intel Core upgrade to the SP3. :)
  • Atom blows... =]~)
  • Atom sucks....compared to the latest ARM SoCs like Tegra K1 and Exynos Octa.
  • This would suck.  Would really like to get Windows 10 on my VivoTab RT
  • I don't get why the simple can't just get the same OS as for phones. Seems like the ideal compromise.
  • Honestly, I dont want a phone scaled OS on my tablet. Phone apps are primarily formated for vertical screen orientation. The OS is formatted for a vertical screen orientation. I would prefer to stick with 8.1 than go to W10 phone style on my Surface2. The 10" mobile tablet just doenst fit the new strategy. If you notice in all the media, its about 8" and smaller mobile and phones in one category, then Surface Pro/laptop/desktop in the other. The 10" mobile tablet is in no man's land.
  • That's true but how big an effort would it take to change the OS from horizontal to vertical orientations? If the device is to survive with the newest of updates the most simple approach might be best
  • Its sounds simple, but its probably not considering it has to work and scale with every app. The 10" RT pretty much has to be handled as its own class of devcie. Considering how it didnt sell well, I can see why they wouldnt commit the resources. 10" tablets in general havent done well lately, they market seems to be going towards smaller tablets and bigger phones.
  • One thing that's always kept me away from 10" tablets is the 16:9 form factor. The 4:3 is much sutable in my opinion
  • They already are scalling the apps, Universal apps are extremely flexible for screen sizes. Responsive websites behave the same way. Infinite screen size possiblilites, no problem.
  • I really don't understand why some are so upset over this. First, you say you're surface does everything you need it to, then you get upset that it's not getting the full update. Why do you need the update if it's doing everything you need? Be happy that MS is still going to support it all... They don't need to and any other company wouldn't. Get some perspective.
  • You do realize they are still selling the Surface 2 right?
  • We aren't contradicting ourselves. The Surface 2 I own and am typing on right now got one useful update. Modern Snap. Like yesterday, I split the screen 50/50 and had a live feed on one side, and the other was the failing to buffer live stream. I was able to keep up when the stream would start lagging. Modern Snap got the 50/50 feature with Windows 8.1. I loved my Surface before it but loved it even more after. But that's the problem. Most phones these days, for example Android phones. My Nexus devices can go for a few Android releases, no problem keeping up. Why is it...the Surface 2 could be getting a half-baked update when it well deserves a good decent upgrade? Hell the Lumia 920 I had years ago and sold, but people still have it. That phone is getting Windows 10. My parents have Lumia 925s. Those phones are getting the update. They probably aren't getting Full Denim firmware, but the new OS is coming to their phones. That phone came out in November 2012! My Surface 2 came out in October 2013! Why is it an old underpowered phone is getting Windows 10 but my Surface 2 which isn't even close to being two years old yet, could be getting some half-baked update like Phone 7.8? To say we are contradicting ourselves and to move on and get some perspective. No. How about you get some perspective. I would've upgraded already to the Surface 3 or Surface Mini IF they had one. The fact is, this is the best consumption tablet for me from Microsoft, and they quietly phased it out and now I should get some perspective and not expect updates? Fuck off.
  • Calm down.  Microsoft did not announce anything yet.  it will most likely get Windows 10 for phones/tablets.
  • It is getting a decent upgrade according to MS, just not full Windows 10 which to me seems fair considering the current position of RT. The fact is we (I own a Surface 2) rolled the dice on the tech and  we lost: RT just isn't on MS's roadmap any longer. MS is still supporting it, however, which is the right thing to do as they are still selling it (among other reasons). Upgrades and new features are just a bonus.  They screwed up many times in the past and will do so again. I don't believe this is one those times. Be angry at MS if you like, and I take back the tone I used previously-- it was uncalled for-- but, I disagree with your sentiment and that of others.  
  • I dont "need" cortana, or synced notifications, but they sure would be a nice addition. I also dont "need" desktop apps on my tablet, and I dont want them, they add nothing to my experience.
  • This is an announcement to developers to move on to Windows 10. My advice would be to sell your RT devices today, literally. You won't regret it. I am a big fan of RT, and hate to see it killed off, but I hate seeing consumers stuck with hardware going nowhere, even more.
  • Why sell it? It will still work and continue running new apps. I'm ok if we dont get apps running in windows and the older style start menu and other features of W10. Its still a very valueable tool for me.
  • I'm pretty sure Surface RT and Surface 2 will get Windows 10 for phone/tablet.  the hardware is perfectly capable of it, and Office touch is now there, so the desktop is not required.
  • Nope, fundamentally different platforms. MS will not bother with it. If your surface was running Qualcomm maybe ...
  • Hmm, wondering what will happen to my Lumia 2520.
  • Hopefully my 2 month old Surface 2 gets most of the new features in Windows 10 including Universal Apps. Also hoping the Windows 10 update takes up less space and allows for apps to be installed to the SD card.
  • Agreed. I was an early adopter of Surface in 2012. I have received free updates for two years now. For me it's understandable that a consumption device built with 2.5 year old technology may not be able to handle a modern operating system. I purchase new phones every two years, and will continue to expect to do the same with tablets.
  • This is what happened with WP 7.5! Dust in the eyes. I was getting ready to buy a new surface 2 or Lumia 2520 tablet, but with this kind of announcement, no way! I ain't gonna spend my money on a device with no REAL updates in the future. Thank god I've seen this before I was about to go to the store...Now I'll have to wait for some more cash for a surface 3 pro. Bad decission MS! You've done the same with WP7.5. Don't make the same mistake again.
  • Microsoft did NOT announce anything.   They are not going to repeat the WP7.8  issue again, otherwise they'll tarnish both the Surface and Windows 10 brands.   It's most likely Surface RT and 2 will get Window 10 for phones/tablets.
  • Bad thinking, ma... Take your time, we can wait. U_U
  • The 2520 is a nice device but runs on Qualcom's 800 processor. Some devices coming later this year (like the LG flex 2) will have the 810 processor. It would be better to wait for a tablet with the new processor, regardless of what happens with Windows 10. 
  • Laughing at everyone jumping the gun.
  • I always had the feeling that the Surface 2 items purchased last September 2014 was a product half done. And with this news I entirely clear. The Surface RT is from my point of view a product that must never exist, it is a lot of failures that has this tablet. The approach would give Microsoft has this product is something in the middle of everything. error. It's a shame because I think this will make the Surface last I buy in my life. I love Windows Phone, but in Surface range, no thanks.
  • Surface 2 is an amazing device.  It will most likely get Windows 10 for phones/tablets.  It's more than capable of handling it.
  • As long as they bring out the Windows 10 basic bits and keep office updated for the RT i couldnt care less just as long as it has universal Apps i will be happy. Mind you ive taken to using my Linx 8 cheapo tablet over the Surface 2 dunno why.
  • Hmm
  • Glad I got the Pro for cheap this time last year :)
  • what is the fuzz about? I own a surface 2 and i think it is fine. The RT version never had all the functionality as the 'normal' windows 8.1. Why would that be different this time. If I can see cortana on my surface, get the xbox app, get the new office apps, photos app etc. I'll be very happy!
  • All the W10 talk has mentioned a version for phone/arm devices, hence the surprise and dismay. As a former WP7 owner, I'll be pissed if I get shafted again. I agree with the discount/rebate idea if this is true.
  • As a former WP7 owner, I was happy to see them moving forward quickly and not at all bothered by the update to 8.0. We got the cosmetic changes, within 6mo I was due an upgrade and moved one. WAY too much has been made of the whole cutoff with WP7. Do we really want MS spending valuable development time reverse engineering things to run on old hardware for a lifetime of months instead of pushing forward?
  • I kinda miss WP7, lol... =P
  • I was hoping Windows 10 RT would: *Axe the faux-desktop *Get universal apps *Get touch office *Get Cortana Thats it. I don't need Windows Phone, but the half-baked useless desktop makes the whole experience useless. Make it go away. Period. Then RT becomes consistant, and the device can be used as a tablet. The keyboard and touch-pads only function is to facilitate content creation, which I would still trust Windows RT to do better than iPad/Android Tablet could.  
  • I dont understand people's anger over the desktop being there. If you dont like it, just unpin it from start and its gone.
  • Not anger: Pragmatic concern... My clients are confused. I have some clients that legitimately could have been served with Windows RT devices, but got so confused (despite understanding of touch-enabled phones and tablets) with the half-baked desktop... That is windwos but isn't... that RT became a non-option for them...   No, you can't just 'unpin' the desktop from an RT machine... Because if you intend to use the #1 feature of Windows RT: Built in Microsoft Office... You are taken to the desktop. Further, there still exists IE for Desktop and Metro IE... Which have almost no practical cross-integration ON THE SAME SYSTEM... This is far too confusing for a non-tech savvy client. It is hard to explain to tech savvy people!
  • This is disappointing..... I was hoping we get a more expand version of Windows 10 that looks about the same as the Phone design......
  • Don't believe the article.  It will get Windows 10 just with hardware-specific features disabled.
  • So as an owner of an RT and Surface 2, I'd be fine with getting the Phone version of Win10. Especially if they let you landscape the start screen. 
  • Pretty sure that's what they're going to do.  After what they did with WP7.8 users, they are not going to repeat that again and the Surface RT and 2 are perfectly capable of handling Windows 10 for phones/tablets (with hardware-specific features disabled).
  • For those that say we just can't get Windows 10..yes Microsoft is just being lazy. They could easily compile a build of Windows 10 but choose ARM, and their computers do the rest. It would essentially be what we have now, Windows, but the ability to install desktop applications not allowed. Basically Windows 10 RT..   I overviewed in the forums how not much has changed... Windows Phone's OS and Windows RT wasn't just dropped in favor of a new OS. They basically killed Windows RT by not offering it anymore, and by renaming the phone OS to Windows 10. They could just as easily as before compile the chosen SKU for ARM. Whether that would be the phone OS scaled up, maybe they could accomodate for the widescreen by making the phone start screen adjust to it to scroll horizontally instead. Or instead, go the RT method and just compile the Intel SKU but for ARM and only allow store apps to be installed.   I extremely hope we get Windows 10... The Surface 2 is more than capable, I owned 3 Surfaces, the Surface 2's specs can handle the Modern UI very fluidly. And the fact that Microsoft has no hardware restrictions holding them back, they could easily compile a build. To just release a new update for Windows 8.1 that brings some features, I would be extremely pissed off.
  • Why are you calling Microsoft lazy when they DIDN'T EVEN ANNOUNCE ANYTHING YET for the Surface RT and 2?  Also, I believe they WILL get Windows 10, just with hardware-specific features disabled (similiar to how it is on phones, given that they will use the same OS for both).  They will either include the desktop (like Joe showed on that 8" low-end tablet continuum style), or they will go full mobile (since touch Office for Windows is available now).
  • I dont think its that easy to make an ARM version of Windows. I get why its being left behind. I'm a little sad because I love my RT, but the fact is it didnt sell. Not just RT, but the entire segment of large (10") mobile tablets. The iPad mini has been a hit and the full-sized iPad has shrunk as well. You also dont see many large screen Android tablets. (yes, there's a few, but not many) Why do I always find myself loving the niche products the market rejects?
  • Answer this question, are you the type that just followed the crowd and do the in thing with all the popular kids or are you a hellion that bucks the trend and goes against the grain making your own path in this world? That's why... U_U
  • What do you mean you don't think it's easy to make an RT version of Windows? That's exactly what Windows 10 for 8" devices and below is? What is so complicated about this?
  • It seems to me they're trying to figure out whether the Surface and Surface 2 should keep the desktop around or just convert to straight tablet/phone mode. I
  • I don't think they're trying to figure out anything.  I think they already know what they're doing.  I'm pretty sure they're just going to either give it the desktop (continuum-style like Joe demoed on a low-end 8" device in the feature video), or they'll just give it the mobile version since the desktop is not required anymore with Office touch coming along with it.
  • More people complaining - its impossible for RT devices to get all of the features, considering a lot of the features have to do with the Desktop.  If i had to guess - we will probably see notification center, the new settings menus, and Cortana integration
  • Look I love my RT and it performs every task I've needed it to do. Hell I don't even use my full windows 8.1 desktop anymore because the surface is more then adequate. I would be pretty bummed out if it didn't get the upgrade but all the more reason to get a pro. Which is the only reason I would think they would screw us over on rt.
  • I knew the limitations when I ordered my Surface RT so I'm not expecting to get everything Windows 10 has to offer. As for features, I'm expecting to get a Continuum/W10 for Phone hybrid interface with Cortana taking over the search role, Action Center, the new version of Office and Project Spartan as the web browser.
  • My first thought was dang it...but then I realized, rt users would no longer need the desktop functionality. Give me the new version of Office and there goes all need for the desktop on this device and therefore, all need for the desktop changes and improvements. I fully expect to see the update path for RT mentioned during the mobile presentation as the two should be brought together, bringing the RT OS more inline with iOS on the iPad (only more functional). It would be Microsoft's mobile OS in a larger tablet format. Just my $.02.
  • I highly value those $0.02 =D
  • Better then nothing! I have the first Surface RT and I'm surprised they said anything about updates featuring windows 10. Its a 3 year old product that didn't do very well. Time to upgrade.
  • Exactly, I think a lot of RT owners knew the limitations before they bought it.
  • You guys, Surface RT and Surface 2 WILL get Windows 10, it's just that hardware-specific features will be disabled.  If low-end Windows Phone 8.1 can handle Windows 10 (with certain hardware-specific features disabled), then Surface RT and 2 will be the same since Windows 10 for phones and tablets is the same thing.  Joe even demo'd the desktop on a low-end 8" device in the video, meaning even the Surface RT and 2 can get the desktop now, or they can just put the mobile version on it since Office for Windows Preview will be there.
  • Did you even read the article? RT based devices will get "... some of the functionality of Windows 10." not only that but the desktop is redundant on RT when the new version of Office is available.
  • Something like that. Although, Joe said the phone version is only for small tablets under 8 in. But yes, some variation of that is what I would expect for RT. Essentially, hopefully, something akin to the "Tablet Mode" he demoed on S3Pro.
  • I hope they put the phone version of windows 10 on RT. So much apps that could breath new life into those RT devices.
  • I'm sure they will, plus a lot of features of the larger version. Basically it'll be a amalgam of Windows for phones with Windows without the desktop. People need to stop complaining on something that is not known.
  • RT was never a very good idea.
  • Microsoft should offer a trade in program for current Surface RT and 2 customers to get a discount on a current Surface Pro when Windows 10 is released.  Seems like that could be cheaper than them investing development and testing hours to upgrade those devices to Windows 10.  And I think it's the right thing to do, particularly since they're still selling the Surface 2.
  • My guess is its going to be a lighter version of continuum. Get rid of the desktop, add the touch version of office. Works for me. Like most I just rdp into my main PC/ work PC so it really doesn't bother me
  • Well at least we get an upgrade to something. My surface 2 needs it
  • ^This!
  • All Microsoft has to do is to enable All Past Windows RT devices to RUN universal Apps. the Ability of Windows RT Tablets to run Microsoft New Universal apps will enble them to use all the new Universal Apps that are written to run  on Window 10 devices. thus they will not become obsolite
  • Love my Surface RT and have used it daily for more than 2 years now. Here's the caveat: I only ask this device to do tasks within it's capabilities. I surf, do email, read all types of content, listen to music etc from the easy chair. For this the device is perfect to me. I still have a desktop to do the heavy lifting for other tasks. Perhaps it was a bit pricey for what I got, but that's a different disscusion. My hope is that the device will continue to do these types of tasks for years to come. If I get some Win 10 functionality so much the better.
  • exactly the same usage for me! I keep my Surface 2 laying around the house for the basics and my laptop beast is upstairs on my desk hooked up to a huge monitor for my heavy work stuff. Did I overpay for the Surface 2? Yes absolutely haha.
  • This sucks, very expensive devices and accessories.
    I wonder if is good to listen the bad rumours about MS, long time ago was the rumour about windows RT being killed. MS said they were committed to it and they launched the Surface 2, Nokia also launched the 2520.
    Windows 10 was supposed to unify RT and windows phone but it looks like windows phone will support 10 and RT is gone.
  • Surely Microsoft can give RT devices the basics like table UI updates, Cortana, notifications/settings charm bar replacement, and of course Spartan. I'm not asking for desktop mode or the ability to install full blown Photoshop. I just want the tablet mode version of Windows 10 and modern apps. It sounds like that's what we're gettting, right? Surface 2 user here.
  • So I guess my Asus Vivo Tab RT won't be upgraded. Well, I've been there before with my lumia800
  • As a Lumia 2520 owner I feel very disappointed. What about a touch friendly office? Or new media player with mkv support.
  • yea i dont understand why everyones bitching about this.  YOu should see the verge idiots calling it dead when clearly it's still a very much useable device.  If you can still browse on it, get the latest addition then you are set to go. modern OFfice will be part of it, You will still be able to download apps Services like Xbox Music, Video, spotify, etcetera will still work. At the same time, will still won't let you use adobe photoshop and steam.  It's doing what it was meant to be doing.   light and productivity.  Lastly, the life cycle of a typical tablet/laptop is about 10-8 months.  Surface 2 has been out since Oct 2013. I had the pleasure of owning and using a surf2.  i may get another one as a living room device when the price is lower because of the apps available on it.
  • As a Surface 2 user, I'm disappointed by the news, but at the same time not suprised. I will continue using my Surface 2 until I REALLY need to upgrade as my Surface 2 is barely a year old and I just got a new Type Cover accessory as a gift this year; tossing it out for a new tablet PC seems like such a waste. Besides, the Surface 2 is doing exactly what I want it to do when I'm on the go or travelling despite it not being a x86 or x64 machine. I may upgrade to a Surface Pro 3 earlier if Microsoft has a trade-in program for Surface tablets and their accessories, again mainly due to my concerns about wasting functioning hardware. One thing I am still feeling a bit miffed about is that my parents got me this Surface 2 as a Christmas gift because that's what the Microsoft Store employee recommended after they described to him what and how I use my desktop PC. However, I would have found a Surface Pro 1 or 2 a much better alternative than a Surface 2.
  • I've had a Surface RT since last January. The only feature I REALLY want is Spartan, because IE cannot have extensions, and I would really welcome them.
  • I'm a little disappointed by this to be honest- I bought my Mrs a surface 2 for Xmas & had hoped it would see windows 10 in full glory, but I can understand why Microsoft would do this. Thankfully I have pro 3 :)
  • Microsoft should give the RT devices Windows 10 for Phone at least
  • Well it's good to know that we will be getting something rather than just dump us at the prom
  • Have you people seriously expected that RT tablets will get all the features that Windows 10 provides? It can't on Windows 8.1, and they're has never been anything that suggest it would change with Windows 10. I'll bet you're the same people who constantly complains about how your 520 lags in games or how it takes shitty pictures.
  • Worst thing ever did was to buy this Surface 2 @$400. F%$@ me. Cant really do anything on it other than facebook and fantasy football pools. Cant view my work schedule(Silverlight, yes cheap company) cant even buy a protective case for it.
  • I use mine for meetings, on treadmill, back up for computer, etc. I expect it to run universal apps. I guess we will see.
  • That's sad, I could work all day every day on my surface 2, who do you work for..? =[
  • Allow me to install universal apps and I am happy. If not, will be pissed!
  • Owner of original RT, not really feeling shafted. I do have SP3 now, but RT remains in use of the family
  • i dont know how i feel. i am a surface rt 1st gen owner as well.  i sort of expected to not get the update, but in the same token, i do feel that there is no reason that they could not make it work.  having said that, i welcome anything they can provide.  i use the device daily and i am aware of what it can and can not do. i have a win8 desktop that i used for heavy lifting. i have a win8 laptop that i use to work from home, and i have my wp 8.1 lumia 920 that i am holding on to waiting for the potential flagship that may or maynot come this year. my rt is my media consumption device.  i think the the small tablet version of win10 would run great on this. but i am not a developer of software.   the only part that i am sad about is i was hoping there would be a preview for the rt.  there still could be but i dont expect that until close to release for win10 rtm.   like many have stated, they did not say no win10, just limited features. well, the surface rt already have "limited" features. and by limited i mean cant install exe. who cares (i know this is not the same thought for everyone.  but like i said, i know what my surface can and can not do already) i am not expecting continum {spelling}, but i am hoping that it gets the win10 core idea that they were talking about.  maybe they meant no hey cortana. i could see that because it does not have a snapdragon 8xx cpu.  so be it. i can live with out that.  so if those are the two features missing that label it as "limited" then sign me up still.  i would like to have some rather than nothing.  like i said, i am a 920 owner, so i am missing some of that stuff on the phone already. you know what i mean?    
  • You. Are awesome... ;)
  • I think the article's title caused a bit of shock... I first thought it said that only Surface Pro 3, would fully upgrade to Windows 10.  After taking a deep breath and reading again, it says that the Surface Pro, Surface Pro 2, and Surface Pro 3 will fully upgrade to Windows 10: "Surface Pro 3 (and the entire Surface Pro lineup) will update to Windows 10. We are working on an update for [the Windows RT version of] Surface, which will have some of the functionality of Windows 10. More information to come." As for Surface RT and Surface 2, I would have to concur with others; it will get Windows 10 with some features disabled.  I don't see how Microsoft could ignore it entirely.  
  • My Lumia 1520 and my Lumia 2520 have the same processor and memory specs, but only one will yet fully updated. Shame.
  • Will it..? Will it really? C'mon, you're smarter than that... =P
  • It is a shame. I was thinking the same thing. Thankfully, there are plenty of cheap windows 8.1 tablets on the market selling for probably what you can sell your 2520 for right now.
  • They'll BOTH be fully updated, updated with the parts of Windows 10 that are relevant to each device.
  • I have a surface one, I purchased a surface when everyone else laughed as they had ipads, disappointed Microsoft! Disapointed
  • The Surface One hasn't been released yet... (like Xbox One, that comes after...no?) ;p
  • I don't get all the fuss, here. We have no idea what features wont be enabled.
  • I barely use my Surface 2 to be honest yet I'm still feeling some type of way about this lol. Dah well, I'ma just sell it..
  • Not sure what to think about this anymore. Just saw this: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/about?OCID=ANNOUNCEMENTS_SOC_TW_ORGANIC_UPGRADEINFO&linkId=11895088 Down under the * *It is our intent that most of these devices will qualify, but some hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary by device. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows Update enabled. ISP fees may apply. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required. Some editions are excluded: Windows 7 Enterprise, Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1. Active Software Assurance customers in volume licensing have the benefit to upgrade to Windows 10 Enterprise outside of this offer. We will be sharing more information and additional offer terms in coming months.
  • Those are agreements and contact issues, business has channels and disclosures they have to follow. =s
  • Excluded from the free upgrade, look where the asterisk relates to on the page. RT won't have a paid for version therefore it's going to be a free update anyway.
  • Windows mobile version......by definition...is not windows 10,dont give me that crap that it doesn't include some "Features".....well ofcourse it doesn't...its NOT THE SAME OS......dont call it the same...because its not....plain and simple,its a "Mobile" os,if it can't run X86
  • WHYyyyyyyyy does it need x86?! You can remote check that stuff... It's enough for a damn tablet and it's Windows whether you agree or not. THEY made the OS, not you. @_@
  • I got my SRT, refurb on the cheep from eBay for what it can do, where I need to use it. If it gets no more feature updates, fine with me. It still gets the job done.  
  • As long as my Surfaces (RT and 2) will still run new Universal Apps, everything will be OK! Getting the updated UI + Spartan & Cortana would be great…
  • I can imagine that the functionality it will be missing is Continuum, that whole 2-in-1 deal because of their form factor. Surface with RT is ONLY one thing, a tablet and that says to me, they'll get as much Windows 10 as they need and nothing else too complicated because that would just be FOOLISH! I have a brain...
  • Exactly, like I've said further up I believe the desktop is going so the improvements to the desktop we won't get on RT. However, what I suspect we will get on RT is Universal App support, the new store, Xbox, Music and Videos apps, the new version of Office, Action Center, Cortana and a new tablet only interface that is somewhere between Continuum and the W10 phone interfaces. We'll also get the backend stuff i.e. the Windows 10 kernel.
  • People still don't get it. The Windows 10 Kernal has been streamlined so that it will, repeat will run on Arm devices. This Kernal will be the same that is also used for the x86. One OS one Kernal. So its still one OS. The main different is the devices capabilities. RT will get Windows 10 just like it has Windows 8.1... In a plain package... No frills no extras. Regular PC will use the same Kernal but more features will be usuable. This is how MS is able to claim that Windows 10 will run on small screens, big screens or even no screens. Samsung is current working on Appliances with Windows 10... No screens just the Kernal because it is small and lightweight.
  • That statement is really confusing. They put all this effort into saying Windows 10 is on everything. They don't even differentiate the name for the phone/tablet version. But now they are acting like RT tablets are getting some arbitrary forked version of 10? Why not just say it will get Windows 10 like the 8" and below devices? Does that 2" of screen really prevent the "mobile" version from working on legacy RT devices? They really need to clarify this, as it's clear from the comments in this thread that people are really confused as to what this means.
  • its not bad news to me i got my RT v1 and even though it gets slow at times it comes in handy. im currently studying for my Cisco CCNA exam & sice my pratice exams only run on Windows and not RT i just remote into my home pc and study. im not stressing wether i get all the features are not as long it doesnt slow my tablet ill be just fine.
  • Here MS do again. Who will buy their product if they easily kill their product.  Hey, MS, Pls fire Terry myerson. He killed windows mobile for windows phone and killed again windows phone 7.5 for windows phone 8.0. and now try to kill Surface RT for windows 10. All he have done in MS is kill old product for news one but his new product never success.  
  • So... You thought RT was dead... WELL!!! It might be... but I think we can revive it: https://windows.uservoice.com/forums/265757-windows-feature-suggestions/suggestions/6999761-add-rt-or-full-windows-with-legacy-desktop-disa
  • I think that this clear and concise info has been hard to get from the usual internet sources regarding RTs future, and I certainly appreciate your commenting here. I couldn't see why what you have said here wouldn't happen. Why wouldn't MSFT bring Surface RT to the party if the phone architecture could run the OS (both in their respected forms of course) Thanks for providing some much needed clarity on this issue.
  • You guys need to look at Windows 10 from this perspective. Each category of device, yes there are some exceptions, will get the parts that are most relevant with an interface that is relevant. For example, phones and ARM tablets will get the parts of Windows 10 that are needed for those devices. Here's a question for you, would you expect an IoT devices to run a full x64 version of Windows 10?
  • will lumia 2520 take features of windows 10
  • why don't they move to Windows 10 mobile version?