Sorry Lenovo, but it's time to kill off the ThinkPad TrackPoint FOREVER

Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga (Gen 8)
(Image credit: Ben Wilson | Windows Central)

It's 2023, and Lenovo just sent me a laptop to review featuring a familiar red dot in the middle of the keyboard. The laptop in question is the latest ThinkPad X1 Carbon, which I've been looking forward to getting my hands on. And being a ThinkPad, it has the TrackPoint. Or the nub, the nipple, or whatever else you want to call it. After all, the ThinkPad is 30 years old, and this is one of its defining features across that time. 

There was a time long ago I used this thing every single day. So, when I say that it's time it was retired for good, it isn't just some kind of irrational hatred of a thing that (apparently) many still love. I was once a TrackPoint wizard. But those days deserve to be left in the past. I'm not alone, either. This came up as a topic of discussion with my colleague, Ben Wilson, while he was writing his ThinkPad X1 Yoga review.

It isn't just because it offsets the 'B' on the keyboard, which becomes so irritating that you can't unsee it. I just don't think it's needed anymore. It's time Lenovo ripped off the band-aid and made the holdouts join the rest of us in the modern age. There are obviously still those who love using it, and I get it. But such a feature isn't really going to attract new users in this day and age. If you've never used one, why would you purposely buy a ThinkPad to have one? 

The TrackPoint was once almost essential

An input device from yesteryear.  (Image credit: Future)

My history with the little red dot stretches back well over a decade before I gave up my 'real world' job and committed to writing full-time to make a living. I worked in a position that assigned me a ThinkPad laptop of some variety. But back in early 2010, trackpads on Windows laptops were nothing like what they are now. They were pretty terrible. 

This was where having a ThinkPad came into its own. The TrackPoint could be deployed, and laptop navigation became fun. And fast. Paired with the physical buttons above the trackpad (which, again, persist to this day), life was good. 

But it's just not necessary anymore. Windows has evolved, trackpad technology has evolved, and gesture-based navigation is the norm. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug (Nintendo has made a great business model from it,) but that alone shouldn't be a reason to exist on a ThinkPad anymore.

The trackpad is just better, honestly

Just use the trackpad. PLEASE.  (Image credit: Ben Wilson | Windows Central)

I could have just ignored the TrackPoint. But it's on the X1 Carbon, and as such, I have to try and use it again to review the laptop properly. And it's just bad. The cursor flies around uncontrollably, and using the three buttons along with it (at least for me) means dedicating both hands. How is this experience remotely better than just using the excellent trackpad with the gestures and taps you would use on any modern laptop?

The ThinkPad X1 Carbon is hardly large, far from it. The design, while mostly unchanged from previous years, is still exquisite. And yes, I will admit that even though I'm calling for its death, the TrackPoint does still hit me with the feels from that old-school look. But taking it out wouldn't be so bad, surely? 

Besides, sorting the keyboard font out and getting rid of the accompanying buttons above the trackpad would mean we could just have a bigger trackpad. What's already there is top class, but in this case, bigger is always better. 

The ThinkPad range is way more than this little red dot, however iconic it may be. But, like all good things, something better eventually comes along. In this case, something better came along many years ago. It's time to cut the ties, say goodbye to nostalgia, and let the ThinkPad fly free in the modern age alongside the best Windows laptops, which manage just fine without it.

Richard Devine
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  • GraniteStateColin
    I agree that the benefits of the TrackPoint have been overtaken by advances in touchpad technology. Personally, I used to like the TrackPoint, not for cursor movement (always preferred touchpads for that), but for scrolling vertically or horizontally. With two finger drag to scroll offering that too from the touchpad, that one strength no longer matters to me.

    However, if there are users who love it, just because that's not you or I, doesn't it make sense for Lenovo to still court their business by being the only company to offer their preferred interface? Shouldn't we encourage companies to differentiate their products rather than homogenize them, to just be another "me too" form factor? And it's not like the legacy support for a TrackPoint is inhibiting innovation: Lenovo has the Yoga and the dual screen systems.

    What's the downside to the rest of us (beyond the minor cosmetic of the 3 shifted character keys)? The cost of the added hardware? I doubt Lenovo would lower prices, so that probably doesn't apply. Am I missing something? Seems that as long as Lenovo has data that some users want it, it's in their best interest to keep it, because it's a unique feature that secures customer loyalty among those users. Microsoft should learn from their example, instead of cutting and running as soon as usage drops.

    Maybe the number of TrackPoint users is shrinking, and eventually supporting it won't make sense. Maybe you're even right that the time has already come, but it should be a data-driven decision based on a mix between telemetry on # of users and how much their focus group studies or surveys tell them losing the TrackPoint might cost them those customers. Brand loyalty is more strongly driven by unique features than anything else, so for any brand, if it can offer something not available anywhere else (assuming it doesn't blow up their costs) and has customers who prefer it, they should do their best to hold onto that unique strength.
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  • wal30
    Absolutely not. Just because you don't use something doesn't mean it should be removed. In skilled fingers the trackpoint is still superior to the trackpad and it one of the few reasons I have been consistently buying ThinkPads for the last two decades. Can you scroll continuously on a touchpad? Can you consistently position the pointer anywhere on the screen without needing to ever remove your finger and reposition it? Can you move the pointer a pixel at a time in any direction with complete accuracy? They tried removing the middle button a few years ago and that didn't go too well. I hope they understand where their loyal customers are on this!
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  • Daniel Rubino
    wal30 said:
    Absolutely not. Just because you don't use something doesn't mean it should be removed. In skilled fingers the trackpoint is still superior to the trackpad and it one of the few reasons I have been consistently buying ThinkPads for the last two decades. Can you scroll continuously on a touchpad? Can you consistently position the pointer anywhere on the screen without needing to ever remove your finger and reposition it? Can you move the pointer a pixel at a time in any direction with complete accuracy? They tried removing the middle button a few years ago and that didn't go too well. I hope they understand where their loyal customers are on this!
    If it were so great, every laptop maker would be using them. It's a legacy tech for a time when trackpads (now touchpads) were absolutely horrible. Now, with haptics, large sizes, and Precision, that is no longer the case. The only people who are still using it are grandfathered-in Lenovo users. You'll find few people below age 40 endorsing TrackPoint.

    It also sucks because 1. It interferes with typing (I frequently hit it), and 2. It makes touchpads much smaller than they should be, meaning your great experience makes mine less great.

    That said, I get the brand ID and "loyal customer" bit, I'm just hoping I live long enough to see that generation sail off into the sunset and TrackPoint with it.
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  • mochi
    This article presents a predictable and narrow minded view on an interesting pointing device that absolutely is still relevant.

    Given the site's expertise at covering notebook computers I'm surprised it even misses key details about the ThinkPad lineup. First, the ThinkPad team launched the ThinkPad Z series 18 months ago. These devices have full size trackpads and integrate the trackpoint buttons into the haptic trackpads - it works great and you can use the full area just fine. The second generation of this device will make it even better, I gather, thanks to Sensel's technology, but the first generation is extremely robust and the large TrackPad is MacBook quality.

    Seems a bit odd to complain about the X1 Carbon series sticking to tradition given the audience that it's clearly positioned toward.

    Second, I bought my first ThinkPad two years ago, and I fell in love with the TrackPoint due to how flexible it is. You can point the mouse cursor quickly and accurately without ever lifting your hands off the keyboard - essential given I'm a touch typer. I use the trackpad whenever I'm not typing, like when I casually browse the web.

    The assertion that the TrackPoint is terrible to use is a misleading one - like touchpads there is a learning curve involved at accustomising with the physics and muscle memory required. We all complained when Apple reversed the trackpad scrolling direction when it brought "natural scrolling" to the Mac but after a few hours of adjustment it now makes perfect sense, the same is true of the TrackPoint.

    When combined with the 180 degree hinge you can also use the laptop comfortably from a variety of angles. I'm now a ThinkPad convert, and I never expected to be. I think Lenovo just needs to market its use cases better rather than being ashamed it exists. The fact this article even exists suggests they could be doing more to onboard new users.

    Daniel Rubino said:
    You'll find few people below age 40 endorsing TrackPoint.

    I'm under 30 and I love the TrackPoint. Long may Lenovo continue to support it! The moment they drop it I will stop buying ThinkPad.

    Now I only mention this because the author of this article seems to be relishing in annoying so-called "Boomers" over this piece - suggesting it was engineered to fan flames of division. Unfortunately I'm as far from that derogatory, irrelevant and unnecessary stereotype as you could get. I'm also not "nostalgic" over the TrackPoint so you can throw away that dismissive argument as well.

    Honestly this is just a poor show on Windows Central's part.
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  • Cmndr_Bytes
    wal30 said:
    Absolutely not. Just because you don't use something doesn't mean it should be removed. In skilled fingers the trackpoint is still superior to the trackpad and it one of the few reasons I have been consistently buying ThinkPads for the last two decades. Can you scroll continuously on a touchpad? Can you consistently position the pointer anywhere on the screen without needing to ever remove your finger and reposition it? Can you move the pointer a pixel at a time in any direction with complete accuracy? They tried removing the middle button a few years ago and that didn't go too well. I hope they understand where their loyal customers are on this!
    "Can you scroll continuously on a touchpad?"
    Kind of. If you put your mouse pointer at the end of the scroll where the down or up arrow is, click and hold it will continuously scroll.

    I will say the first Lenovo touchpad I used was the worst touch pad I have ever tried to work with since they started being a thing. They did re-engineer it later on, but it was the only laptop I ever felt the need to travel with an external mouse.
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  • mochi
    Cmndr_Bytes said:
    "Can you scroll continuously on a touchpad?"
    Kind of. If you put your mouse pointer at the end of the scroll where the down or up arrow is, click and hold it will continuously scroll.

    I will say the first Lenovo touchpad I used was the worst touch pad I have ever tried to work with since they started being a thing. They did re-engineer it later on, but it was the only laptop I ever felt the need to travel with an external mouse.
    TBF, Bad Windows touchpads have been a thing of the past since the Precision TouchPad implementation in Windows 8.1 became a thing. Honestly that made such a HUGE difference. Even the tiny Game Boy Advance cartridge sized touchpad in the Surface Pro type cover went from being an unweildy mess to being "good enough" when the type cover 2 shipped with a precision touchpad.
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  • dkstrauss
    Daniel Rubino said:
    It also sucks because 1. It interferes with typing (I frequently hit it), and 2. It makes touchpads much smaller than they should be, meaning your great experience makes mine less great.

    That said, I get the brand ID and "loyal customer" bit, I'm just hoping I live long enough to see that generation sail off into the sunset and TrackPoint with it.
    Daniel - the last sentence is truly uncalled for and beneath your status as one of the top Windows experts online. As to the first sentence, i don't see how you manage to hit it frequently.

    As for utility, it is just another input method, but consider the Yoga Book 9i. That keyboard would DEFINITELY benefit from adding the TrackPoint as an alternative to carrying another peripheral with this high quality laptop.
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  • BaritoneGuy
    My first ThinkPad in 93 had this and I considered it a must have. Through several ThinkPads, Dell, Toshiba and NEC machines I used one for years.

    I remember when the tips were basically gritty like sandpaper. The would ship a couple of different coarseness.

    Until my first Precision trackpad I hated them with a passion.

    I would not buy a machine with one, but if you like them have at it.
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  • atk
    This might be the worst take I've ever seen. I cannot use a trackpad when my hands are soaked in machine coolant. I cannot use a trackpad when I have gloves on. I cannot use a trackpad when its coated in abrasive dust. The trackpoint works in all of these situations. Thinkpads are for getting work done. I buy Thinkpad mobile workstations specifically because they are the only ones left on the market with a pointing stick. Its a necessity, and its frankly just about the only thing beyond the warranties that make Thinkpads worth buying, generally speaking.
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  • jlzimmerman
    I disagree. I love the "cat tongue" and still use a Lenovo over a Dell at work because of it.
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