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It's getting harder and harder to find good Windows phones — and that's just sad

Microsoft did something right when it introduced Windows Phone 7 and the unique Live tile UI. The passion of the Windows phone fan base is proof of that. The information-laden, touch-friendly Start screen was a futuristic departure from the mundane, icon-based UI of the iPhone and hordes of Android phones already on the market.

Users became enamored with the dynamically updating tiles that surfaced news headlines, album art and current song, text messages, email summaries, missed calls, and social media notifications. Live tiles enabled apps that could be "engaged" by users before they were launched. This was a win-win for users and developers. Apps pinned to the home screen vied for a user's engagement by dynamically supplying information. This is a more proactive model for garnering app engagement than the static icon-based UI of iPhones and Android phones. And of course, the early smartphone OSes got the market-share worm. That's bad news for Window phone enthusiasts who want a smartphone.

After years of fighting for market share, Microsoft's mobile efforts seem to be taking an ultra-mobile PC-focused course. Microsoft is done, it seems, with traditional smartphones. But some Windows phone fans still want a plain old, rectangular slab sporting those Live Tiles and fluid UI they love.

The problem is, Microsoft has made finding a smartphone with its mobile OS almost as hard as finding a needle in a haystack.

Now you see them, now you don't

Two years ago Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella communicated that Microsoft was retrenching its mobile efforts from the consumer space.

The news was bad but not devastating. You see, Microsoft promised a few things to assuage those concerned about what retrenchment meant for the company's mobile presence.

Microsoft would continue making phones for three categories of users: value consumers, Windows fans, and the enterprise. This strategy's bright side was that Microsoft was only referring to its first-party smartphones. Manufacturing partners could continue making Windows phones for consumers or the enterprise. Over a dozen OEMs did just that. To convey Microsoft's commitment to mobile, Nadella made the memorable promise that if no one else made Windows phones, Microsoft would. Microsoft kept that promise until the last Lumia, the enterprise-focused Lumia 650 released in early 2016.

The Lumia 550, released in 2015, was the last smartphone made for value consumers. And the much maligned 950 and 950 XL were the last smartphones Microsoft released for Windows fans. Of the three, the Lumia 950 for $399 is the only one in stock in the Microsoft online store.

From bad to worse

To add insult to injury, the retrenchment strategy became a full retreat that created an even deeper wedge between Microsoft's mobile efforts and consumers. Microsoft publically announced that Windows 10 Mobile was focused on the enterprise and not the consumer space.

Windows Mobile and enterprise, out of sight out of mind

This signaled to OEM partners, developers and any consumers that were paying attention that Microsoft's mobile OS wasn't meant for the all-important consumer space. This move effectively cut off current and future support these entities would have brought the platform. Windows phones became an even riskier investment for OEM partners, and consequently, even harder to find.

Sadly, the New York City Police department's dropping of 36,000 Windows phones in favor of the iPhone reflects how Microsoft even dropped the ball in the enterprise and in government, its forte.

Partners doing their part

A host of OEMs have tried to make a mark with Windows phones.

Acer, Nuans, Lenovo, Sony and many others have struggled against the barriers of a challenging market and seeming ambivalence from Microsoft.

A future of partnerships and a possibile Surface phone

Alcatel and HP are the OEM partners with the most appealing devices and broadest distribution. For the enthusiast, the HP Elite x3 is a desirable device, but its enterprise focus and high price tag put it beyond consumers' reach. Alcatel's Idol 4S and the European version the Idol 4 Pro are consumer-focused devices with a more appealing price tag.

The older Alcatel One Touch Fierce XL may even appeal to some fans if they can find one.

But I still want a Windows phone!

Despite all of these challenges, there are those who still clamor for a Windows phone.

Unfortunately, the newest first-party device they can get is the year-old enterprise-focused Lumia 650. The two-year old Lumias 950 and 950 XL flagships and the Lumia 550 are the next best options for those seeking "new-ish" first-party Windows phones.

Zeroing in on what an enthusiast wants is easier than getting what he wants. Distribution channels for Windows phones are so limited that most Windows phones, even when new, weren't carried by all, or in some cases any, carriers. The Lumia 950 was available on AT&T, while the 950 XL was limited to Microsoft Stores. Neither of these physical outlets currently carry a Windows phone of any type.

The best option for enthusiasts who want a first-party Windows phone is to order from the online Microsoft Store, Amazon, eBay or some other website.

While Windows phone fans struggle to get an old, used or refurbished first-party Windows phone (and hope that it works), Samsung and Apple will soon release their newest smartphones on all carriers. Our friends, families, neighbors and coworkers will walk into their nearest mall and walk out with a brand-spanking new iPhone or Galaxy Note.

But, whatever, right? They're not Windows phones.

Dawn of a new day

Microsoft has repeatedly suggested that it's done with smartphones. The company seems ambivalent to users who want a Windows-based smartphone as it prepares for what's next.

There's reason to believe that telephony-enabled ultramobile PCs represent the direction the company's going in. If true, the distribution relationship with carriers, which seems to have been sacrificed with Microsoft's forsaken smartphone efforts, may not matter. Ultramobile PCs may be distributed through the same channels PC partners currently distribute PCs. For now, a user who wants a Windows phone will have limited success with carriers but can certainly find a Windows phone if they look hard enough.

Is Microsoft Strangling Windows phone to prepare for concept of a Surface 'phone'?

As time goes on, however, and Windows phones continue to vanish, the search will become more difficult.

Jason L Ward is a columnist at Windows Central. He provides unique big picture analysis of the complex world of Microsoft. Jason takes the small clues and gives you an insightful big picture perspective through storytelling that you won't find *anywhere* else. Seriously, this dude thinks outside the box. Follow him on Twitter at @JLTechWord. He's doing the "write" thing!

242 Comments
  • I'll just replace my almost broken 1520 with one from ebay. The only phone that swype writing works as expected.
  • I wrote this comment using Swype on Gboard in Android. (Although I really liked the Windows phone keyboard too.)
  • We don't want an Android.  Or an iPhone. Which is exactly the point of the article.  You can have very single feature on an iPhone or Android and I still wouldn't spend my money on one.
  • His point was that the 1520 isn't the only phone with reliable swipe typing... I understand a lot of people like Windows phone, I liked it, though I never owned one, but if Microsoft cut support totally it would be wise to consider other options. I also wrote this comment with Gboard gesture typing...
  • TLDR: Goodbye Windows Phone dream 😪
  • You don't have to. Its the same old same old. I am bored of Ward's articles now. I don't think I am gonna read them from now on for a while.
  • Hi Nitish I don't recall ever writing about this topic, the difficulty Windows phone fans have finding Windoes phones. It was actually a suggested topic from our managing editor which I'm positive I never addressed so I wrote it up. Now perhaps my memory is shorter than I think, if I did wrote about this topic please copy and paste the link from my collection of articles in a reply. www.windowscentral.com/author/jason-ward
  • Hey Jason! Thanks for replying. It's not about the specifics. Its about the content in general. I liked reading your articles because they used to bring a perception to the table. Like, about how Windows Mobile's strategy is doing and how it will evolve and similar ideas. Over the last few months your articles have had very common theme and in some cases even concluding ideas are same. Dare I use the word mundane.
    For example excerpt the conclusion of this article: " There's reason to believe that telephony-enabled ultramobile PCs represent the direction the company's going in."(sic) Excerpt from conclusion of last article: " Windows 10 on ARM with CShell is the one Windows Microsoft envisioned since its early attempts at mobile with its pared-down versions of Windows on Pocket PCs. " (sic) Before that " Microsoft's strategy, I believe, is the unprecedented synergy or merger of a mobile and PC effort. "(sic) and before that " Microsoft's one Windows strategy is materializing in the wake of a failed smartphone effort, but has always been in view. ".
    Now let me also sketch out the template for your articles. 1. Windows 10 Mobile isn't dead in reality coz there is still support. 2. Windows 10 Mobile failed due to varied reasons. 3. Folding phones and folding display. 4. Combining Windows 10 PC and Mobile OS's will change the game. 5. CShell 6. Windows 10 on ARM and 7. in clonlusion the synergy of PC and mobile is MS's aim and in a couple of years MS should get there. Now insert few images and videos like the the Zac's CShell video, the folding phone gif from Microsoft's vision for the future video from stone age, One Core image from one of MS's presentation, the diary like foldable tablet image which recently has become viral and her eyou go.
    I don't know why it is not visible to you guys or other readers but its pretty visible to me that serious content is just not here and repeatition is very high.
    Having said all of this, I do understand that you write about Windows 10 Phone/Mobile and there isn't much happening around as well. There is no clear indication about where our platforms is heading or infact anything. Its the worst point in Windows Phone's/Mobile's history, so being a professional who covers this must not be easy. I am one of the hardcore fans of WP. I recently bought my first evern non Windows Phone device for personal use, so its not like I don't share that affection and passion with you. But, a refresh in article won't harm anyone once in a while. That's just my view and observation. You can ignore it if you feel so.
  • Hi Nitish thanks for the response. I get what your saying but it really doesn't apply too much to this piece. The theme isn't about "what's next", it's about the dilemma finding Windows phones and walk through the why, what phones are out there, where they might be found or not found 😉 etc. You grabbed the conclusion but that was a brief look forward at a possible future contrasted with the desire of those who want a phone now and the increasing difficulty finding one. Check it out again. Also please visit www.windowscentral.com/author/jason-ward for that refresh you requested😉 I've got articles on Mixed Reality, smartglasses, AR, tech companies and education, Microsoft's leadership and more that I don't recall seeing you comment in. 🙂 Drop by, check those out, leave a comment. You guys come out in drove's and comment on phone pieces. Let's get some discussion on those other topics I still writing about. As a matter of fact I have one on AR posting today, that I scheduled last week and another on a very different topic Friday. I'll expect to see all of you guys there😄👍🏿 Here's a few you may have missed Nitish, but also check the link above for others I didn't include here. Enjoy!: Microsoft Apple Google and todays kid coders: https://m.windowscentral.com/kid-coders-tech-giants-teach-kids-coding-leaving-us-old-fogies-behind What is Microsoft's intelligent edge and how does it affect mobile?: https://m.windowscentral.com/what-intelligent-cloud-and-how-does-it-affect-mobile Microsoft leadership here's who's accountable at Redmond: https://m.windowscentral.com/whos-who-microsoft-success-or-failure-heres-whos-accountable The relationship between Microsoft, Silicon Valley. President Trump and the ideology of hate: https://m.windowscentral.com/silicon-valley-president-trump-white-supremacists-and-ideology-hate What is ambient computing and why does it matter to you?: https://m.windowscentral.com/what-ambient-computing-and-why-does-it-matter Ambient computing - will Microsoft's lack of consumer focus hurt is future: https://m.windowscentral.com/does-microsoft-know-how-market-consumers Can Microsoft keep up with Apple in the race for AR/VR supremacy?: https://m.windowscentral.com/will-apple-mailnstream-augmented-reality-and-beat-microsofts-consumer-hololens Effective marketing will be key to Microsoft's Mixed Reality success: https://m.windowscentral.com/microsoft-must-market-its-mixed-reality-vision-rivals-win-consumer-mindshare If 3D is for everyone, why isn't Microsoft marketing Paint 3D to anyone?: https://m.windowscentral.com/microsoft-wants-bring-3d-everyone-isnt-marketing-paint-3d-anyone Dystopian abuse of Microsoft's powerful AI-driven camera tech is all but inevitable: https://m.windowscentral.com/microsofts-ai-driven-camera-technology-will-almost-certainly-lead-abuse Microsoft must manage expectations of Windows 10 S to avoid PR nightmare: https://m.windowscentral.com/windows-10-s-microsoft-must-set-consumer-expectations-avoid-pr-nightmare With Windows 10 S and Surface Laptop Microsoft takes aim at Google and Apple: https://m.windowscentral.com/microsoft-takes-chromebooks-and-macbooks-windows-10-s-and-surface-laptop Future of the PC is intelligent cloud that connects a family of devices: https://m.windowscentral.com/modern-pc-redefined-family-devices-powered-intelligent-cloud Microsoft - not Apple - is redefining the modern PC: https://m.windowscentral.com/walt-mossberg-thinks-pcs-evolution-will-be-more-impacted-apple-microsoft-i-disagree The truth about Apple's new iPad ads, Microsoft Surface and Windows: https://m.windowscentral.com/apple-ipad-pro-ads-microsoft-surface-windows-pcs Both Microsoft and Google are making hardware though for different reasons: https://m.windowscentral.com/why-microsoft-and-google-became-hardware-companies How Microsoft's mixed reality vision may augment it's home Hub and IoT vision: https://m.windowscentral.com/how-microsofts-augmented-reality-vision-may-fit-home-hub-and-iot The internet of intelligent things: Microsoft, Samsung Google and the new battlefront: https://m.windowscentral.com/internet-intelligent-things Microsoft's cognitive services and AI everywhere vision are making AI in our image: https://m.windowscentral.com/microsofts-cognitive-services-and-ai-everywhere-vision-making-artificial-intelligence-more-us How Surface changed Microsoft forever: https://m.windowscentral.com/how-surface-changed-microsoft-forever Is quantum computing a genie we will wish we kept in a bottle?: https://m.windowscentral.com/quantum-computing-genie-we-will-wish-we-kept-bottle Microsoft's do more quantum computing vision: https://m.windowscentral.com/microsofts-do-more-vision-and-its-quantum-computing-investments Check out others you may or may not have missed recognized😉 www.windowscentral.com/author/jason-ward 😉
  • Where i think Microsoft missed a Gigantic opportunity is when HP was trying to get rid of WebOS. They could've used that to spring board Windows Phones. The App catalog was much bigger than Windows Phones of the time and it had a fan base much much bigger than Windows Phones.
  • Yes. I don't comment very often. I do comment but surely not on every article I read. I mostly read in transit or during short breaks on my work when I am bored of coding and stuff, like right now, so commenting is tougher. But I do read almost all of not just yours but all of windows central's articles except few things like xbox, gaming and when you guys write about something that is very specific to the US like the article you wrote about Trump and silicon valley. Of course the one liners which I grabbed from conclusions are not clear indicator of the whole article but my point was the redundancy of ideas in the articles irrespective of the main theme. I just tried to convey that. I did like the smartglass smartphone article which was different too. I explained what I felt. I'll still keep on reading lol coz honestly its my hobby and I don't have anything better to do. I haven't read your today's article and I am gonna read it after writing this comment. :) 
  • Elite x3.
  • My entire family and I will buy Elite x3s in a heartbeat if those rumors from a few weeks back about it becoming compatible with Verizon turn out to be true. We're all still clinging to 4-year-old Lumia 928s and 3-year-old Lumia Icons.
  • That would be nice and I would do the same.  So far my only reason is that NO other windows phone device works on VZW.  I'm still amazed that HP didnt get them on board for the x3's especially since they "geared" it towards business.  While not every business I am familiar with uses VZW, most of the bigger ones do. (Still hanging onto my 735 here)    
  • I love my 950XL, but I would switch to an Elite x3 if it worked on Verizon's network so I could get off of crappy AT&T. 
  • I used to go back and forth between AT&T and Verizon, depending on who carried a Windows Phone. Now, I have the HP Elite on AT&T. I've had no issues with AT&T, as of yet.
  • Heh, that sucks. U.S. Carriers are awful eh. Thankfully in the UK I can just order one. 950 xl is a bit long in the tooth now so I'm ordering an x3 in the next couple weeks hopefully. I've always had other phones around but they're kinda boring. Life with a Windows phone is never boring!
  • Not available in many countries. Do not know till when HP will support, Likely to not get future updates.
  • Forced to move to an OS that we don't want to. I think WP is by far the best looking OS ever and now other OS's are trying to do what people use to criticize WP for, especially the dark theme. Now everyone wants a dark theme, but MS did it best.
  • Check Sailfish OS, it's way better and intuitive than Windows phone (No app gap as it's compatible with android apps). Too bad that Jolla doesn't have the financial power to make hardware for it. The irony is that it's created by ex Nokia workers who quit after the later signed the exclusivity agreement that doomed them, of using only Windows phone.
  • Sailfish is just like the rest. Plain and boring rows of almost identical looking icons. They all claim to be innovatice, yet they all look like Windows 95. Please already.
  • Correction: Created by ex Nokia workers who were laid the hell off for not being able to deliver meego on time for the N9. They proceeded to work with the same tech qt framework and all and Sailfish is the result. Don't blame MS for a bunch of lazy and overpaid gits.
    That having been said: Sailfish OS was fine when it started out but never got any traction. The pulley menu only ever looked good on videos but using it every day was about as terrible as gets. Not saying you couldn't get used to it but it was still uncomfortable and the design language was lacking (it wasn't coherent when Nokia still had Fabula either, but they were getting there. They had to start from scratch tho). Overall while it looked nice at the time, it was gimmicky at best, sadly. And currently they're making the OS for the Russians and China so I'd rather not go Sailfish for a while.
  • Says you.  I want exactly the featues of Windows phones as an OS and user experience. Sailfish, iOS and Android can all go you know where.
  • It is dead. No way Microsoft makes another phone. It is beyond time to throw in the towel. There is no chance for them to have any success at this point and Microsoft knows it. If they planned on releasing another phone or phone like device they would be working heavily on their ecosystem so they could hit the ground running. Microsoft is doing the exact opposite. It is dead, time to give it up.
  • Microsoft will make another device with cellular telephony capabities. They'd no reason for people who want to use what they want to use to bend to the will of those who don't want to use it. I think it is these comments that need give it up.
  • Will they? Why aren't they strengthening the ecosystem then? Why does it seem like they are moving away from UWP? They aren't even creating UWP apps for their own services let alone other developers who have moved away from UWP completely. Wouldn't they want to hit the ground running with such a device? You say the lack of apps makes success impossible. Why would they try again without apps? What would the point be? Just to release another embarrassing flop? It makes no sense. How would they justify that?
  • Questions...questions...questions. You know that I don't know the answers and you don't know the answers. I have no idea what they are doing behind the scenes. I don't know who they are negotiating with orc what development. I don't know if they are revamping things that you say they aren't developing. If this work is being done with the Surface team, they tend to be pretty good at keeping things a secret. The point is that we don't know so the bold proclamations aren't productive.
  • They are obvious questions. If Microsoft was serious about releasing another mobile device they would be heavily investing in their ecosystem, not just competitors ecosystems. Maybe they are rebooting UWP? It really doesnt seem like they are planning any new phones at this point. How could you blame them? As you said it will be impossible without a mature app store. If apps were the reason all Microsoft attempts at mobile failed, why would you want them to try again when the app gap is bigger than ever? You like watching them fail? You really think the Surface team is building all these apps and the hardware in secret? You are really going out on a limb here.
  • I am personally still of the opinion that despite what Jason and so many in MS and others say....an ultramobile PC with telphony capabilities....is still a SMARTPHONE.  
  • They will rename it as ultramobile PC and it will sell a lot!!! Jeez this author....
  • Negative Nelly has returned. He's always stalking these boards.
  • Android by default was a dark theme years ago, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice Cream Sandwich. Then for some horrible and unknown reason everything went white.
  • The only reason why it went well is that Google treated its partners, devs and customers with respect and listenned to them. Unlike Microsoft who promises and underdelivers at best or constantly rebooting its OS and leaving behind many customers who trusted them.
  • Everything in the computer world went eye cancery white ☹
  • Duh, as another Windows Phone article stating the obvious 2 days after the last one and 2 days before that one stated as well. Oh and at least one per/week in so many weeks prior to that. New content has been requested. I'm not sure why Dan let's these fly week after week other than frustration page views :) Oh and before you say check out your other articles, I have. 85% of them are about this topic in general. Time to move on until something new arises. When you have to start defending "but read my other articles", that's probably a sign to lay off on these ones. 
  • it is normal, Jason need to justify his job at windows central..
  • Hah Gotcha !!! Well done Jason. Slam down in the niceest possible way. Love it !!!
  • Hi Purian Thanks for consistently reading the phone focused pieces despite your obvious reservations. If, however, you ever feel less inclined to do so I do write other pieces that as you note I have suggested visitors to the site to read. Your snark in relation that suggestion is a bit overshadowed by the fact that this being foundationally a Windows Phone focused site ot this this topic that really seems to ignite passion one way or another from the core audience. And trust me I've written a many pieces on very different topics with as much passion, energy and analysis as I do the phone focused pieces. As a matter of fact one will be published Wednesday amd another Friday. Unfortunately, I don't recall seeing your comments, nor those of some others who clamor for other topics in those pieces. Yet as soon as I write a phone piece, here you are.🙂 I'm not saying to visit my other pieces its not a mere defence, "but read my other articles" as you say. I write them to appeal to a broader base, expand on our coverage, address other topics and bring more information. Rather than complaining about me writing about phone, what I am saying is that I am already doing what you are asking me to do, I'm writing about other topics. Here are a few Id love for you and others to visit and add your comments to. Microsoft Apple Google and todays kid coders: https://m.windowscentral.com/kid-coders-tech-giants-teach-kids-coding-leaving-us-old-fogies-behind What is Microsoft's intelligent edge and how does it affect mobile?: https://m.windowscentral.com/what-intelligent-cloud-and-how-does-it-affect-mobile Microsoft leadership here's who's accountable at Redmond: https://m.windowscentral.com/whos-who-microsoft-success-or-failure-heres-whos-accountable The relationship between Microsoft, Silicon Valley. President Trump and the ideology of hate: https://m.windowscentral.com/silicon-valley-president-trump-white-supremacists-and-ideology-hate What is ambient computing and why does it matter to you?: https://m.windowscentral.com/what-ambient-computing-and-why-does-it-matter Ambient computing - will Microsoft's lack of consumer focus hurt is future: https://m.windowscentral.com/does-microsoft-know-how-market-consumers Can Microsoft keep up with Apple in the race for AR/VR supremacy?: https://m.windowscentral.com/will-apple-mailnstream-augmented-reality-and-beat-microsofts-consumer-hololens Effective marketing will be key to Microsoft's Mixed Reality success: https://m.windowscentral.com/microsoft-must-market-its-mixed-reality-vision-rivals-win-consumer-mindshare If 3D is for everyone, why isn't Microsoft marketing Paint 3D to anyone?: https://m.windowscentral.com/microsoft-wants-bring-3d-everyone-isnt-marketing-paint-3d-anyone Dystopian abuse of Microsoft's powerful AI-driven camera tech is all but inevitable: https://m.windowscentral.com/microsofts-ai-driven-camera-technology-will-almost-certainly-lead-abuse Microsoft must manage expectations of Windows 10 S to avoid PR nightmare: https://m.windowscentral.com/windows-10-s-microsoft-must-set-consumer-expectations-avoid-pr-nightmare With Windows 10 S and Surface Laptop Microsoft takes aim at Google and Apple: https://m.windowscentral.com/microsoft-takes-chromebooks-and-macbooks-windows-10-s-and-surface-laptop Future of the PC is intelligent cloud that connects a family of devices: https://m.windowscentral.com/modern-pc-redefined-family-devices-powered-intelligent-cloud Microsoft - not Apple - is redefining the modern PC: https://m.windowscentral.com/walt-mossberg-thinks-pcs-evolution-will-be-more-impacted-apple-microsoft-i-disagree The truth about Apple's new iPad ads, Microsoft Surface and Windows: https://m.windowscentral.com/apple-ipad-pro-ads-microsoft-surface-windows-pcs Both Microsoft and Google are making hardware though for different reasons: https://m.windowscentral.com/why-microsoft-and-google-became-hardware-companies How Microsoft's mixed reality vision may augment it's home Hub and IoT vision: https://m.windowscentral.com/how-microsofts-augmented-reality-vision-may-fit-home-hub-and-iot The internet of intelligent things: Microsoft, Samsung Google and the new battlefront: https://m.windowscentral.com/internet-intelligent-things Microsoft's cognitive services and AI everywhere vision are making AI in our image: https://m.windowscentral.com/microsofts-cognitive-services-and-ai-everywhere-vision-making-artificial-intelligence-more-us How Surface changed Microsoft forever: https://m.windowscentral.com/how-surface-changed-microsoft-forever Is quantum computing a genie we will wish we kept in a bottle?: https://m.windowscentral.com/quantum-computing-genie-we-will-wish-we-kept-bottle Microsoft's do more quantum computing vision: https://m.windowscentral.com/microsofts-do-more-vision-and-its-quantum-computing-investments Check out others you may or may not have missed recognized😉 www.windowscentral.com/author/jason-ward 😉
  • Unfortunately, I don't recall seeing your comments, nor those of some others who clamor for other topics in those pieces. Yet as soon as I write a phone piece, here you are.🙂
    But how can he comment on all of them, if you're turning off comments whenever you don't want to hear criticism but only sound your own opinion?
  • Thank you!  Someone had to say it.
  • Hi efectos as a reader you are not privy to the decision making process nor the decision making hierarchy of Mobile Nations and Windows Central. I don't make the decisions about what articles will allow comments and which will not. If you are motivated to discuss the topic in an amicable manner Facebook and Twitter are both platforms you can do o on.
  • You are the best Jason. 
  • So writing about other things justifies writing one-two useless articles per week?
  • Hi Paolo, thanks for visiting. You qualify these articles as "useless" but you dedicate the very limited resource of the time allotted you in your life to visit every single one of these "useless" pieces. Now, life has taught me this, we as human beings commit our time and energy to the things that we value - that are important to us. Your words, say "useless" but your consistently reliable "Click-and-comment" behaviour says you value being here more than doing something else you could be doing with the irrecoverable time you dedicate to these articles. Also, there are thousands of visitors to these pieces, of which only a fraction comment, and a smaller fraction still, that share your opinion. Many find them useful. And of those who share your opinion, the majority, if not all, are equally as faithful to these articles as yourself. So the fact that you are choosing to be here rather than perhaps spending time focused on your friends or family, or focused on developing some hobby or enjoying nature, tells me you value my, useless, articles at the time you dedicate yourself to them, more than other things you could be doing with your life. Here's the thing, real simple, if you don't like the phone-focused pieces read the other stuff. I've got you covered man😉👍🏿! As a matter of fact make sure you visit and comment on my non-phone related pieces posting today and Friday. I love writing about the other stuff. It's great to reach out to a broader audience who have interests in other things that also interest me, like smartglasses, tech companies and education, quantum computing, edge computing, marketing, Microsoft leadership and many other topics I cover. A lot of folks who are complaining about the phone pieces and demanding other pieces, only comment in the phone pieces, and I don't hear a peep in the other pieces. 🤔 Let's be fair. Hey, also. In addition to the broad range of topics I write on as seen on the nine pages if content here: www.windowscentral.com/author/jason-ward, give me some suggestions that might interest you all. I can't promise I can cover it, depending on what it is, but I can definitely take suggestion and hopefully honor some if them. So anyone who is interested, please, hit me up on Twitter, DM me, @JLTechWord with your topic suggestions and I'll see what I can do.🙂 Anyway, life is short and in the grand scheme of things being nice and cordial to one another is the way to go. Being mean, especially over something as unimportant as a phones and topics, is not the way to go.
  • I won't read your wall of text. But I love how you get angry every time we point out how useless you articles about phones have become. An hint, people come here for news about phones so we don't care about your other articles, we just can't stand opening an article hoping for at least something new and we find only your repeated speculations.
  • Actually, Paulo, perhaps you should read it, because I actually ask for suggestions and talk about how we should be cordial. 😉 I understand your aggravation, WE ALL want Microsoft to be transparent😉. Your responses are often disrespectful or mean spirited, however. That's not necessary. You may choose to come across that way, but you don't have to. This is a community of folks all with the same interests (except for those who jump in just to stir up the pot) so being nice is just nice🙂 even if you dislike these type of articles. And if you're not interested in non-phone articles that's ok, but you'll be very limited on finding much to your liking here (or virtually any tech site) as Windows not Windows Phone Central covers all things Microsoft. Also, the title of this piece is "It's getting harder and harder to find good Windows phones - and that's just sad". What type of information were you hoping for in an article with that title that you didn't find? Here's just a couple of pointers for you that i think will help you with your "Click-on-a-piece-hoping-for-something-new-and-getting-disappointed delimma: First, I am a columnist for the site. I write opinion pieces. So virtually anything with my byline WILL be my personal analysis, my view on things based on data, available facts, quotes, interviews I conduct etc. Second, the title of these opinion pieces (although my suggessted title is changed more often than not🙂) is a dead giveaway as to what the piece is about. If the topic communicated in the title doesn't appeal to you, to save yourself the heartache of not finding what you hope for, then I simply suggest to you not to click. I'm not being sarcastic, nor snarky, but with that understanding Paolo that should solve your problem. Now if I get that leak, or tip we are all hoping for, I'll definitely blast it in a title you won't miss and at that moment click away man and enjoy the SCOOP😉 The title is a dead giveaway to what a piece is about. Also
  • You shouldn't really see it as an attack to you but as an attack to whoever pays you. They should stop telling you "have an opinion!!!", you can't have opinions when there is nothing to talk about. Opinions are usually about something.
  • Don't like it, don't ready it.  Problem solved.
  • Oh he brings the clicks.
  • win10.arm! (waiting patiently, cross fingers)
  • Cross your toes also for that one ;)
  • My Lumia 640 runs on arm chip, so? I still don't get the idea of Windows 10 on arm ifmy arm enabled device won't get it
  • Windows 10 on ARM is for OSs what Surface Phone is for hardware : A chimera
  • Windows phone accepts uwp.phone SKU.
    win10.arm (big or small) accepts uwp.pc SKU.
    Devs might skip uwp.phone because they are busy with Android and iOS (no time/money to spend on extra manpower to QA for a not-so-popular OS), but it's hard to skip the entire uwp.pc SKU (standard win10, win10s, win10.arm). If MS somehow lost their mind, go on create a new uwp.win10.arm SKU... it'll fail.
    My dream of docking it on my gamepad for xpa gaming will be gone.
  • W10ARM has nothing to do with phones. Joe already confirmed that.
  • never said it is, it's a full win10 on your palm, more than a phone.
  • I'm sticking with my 950XL as long as I can, hoping that it won't break anytime soon and that Microsoft nails the next generation of mobile devices.
  • Same here (950 XL, 2 years old).  I'm treating it with kid gloves!!
  • I still have my L730 in excellent condition. Used to be my secondary device but its now in its box in a dark shelf. I don't care what the market share says I enjoyed using it. I may at some point boot it up to see those tiles in action coz no other OS is going to bring me that joy.
  • I really liked the 730/735 a lot. Occasionally I wrestle with the idea of having one to play with again, but sadly that is where it ends for me.
  • Move on.
  • "I guess I'll have this cancer until I die. I should just accept it and move on."
  • Worst metaphor ever?
  • Meant to give the OP the necessary perspective from the WP user's point of view to not come here with a 2 word comment of "move on".
    So it depends. Did the "worst metaphor ever" give you and him enough perspective?
  • Agreed then, worst metaphor ever.
  • ...or poor comprehension capacity on the part of particular audiences.
  • Could not agree more.
  • I'm happy with my 950, but at some point I'll need to replace it. Hopefully, Microsoft will have something ready by this time next year.
  • From someone who (heart-broken) moved on, let me recommend the excellent Galaxy S8 from Samsung. After all the things W10 Mobile borrowed from Android, there's not much you will be missing and a lot you will be gaining in apps and functionality out of the box.
  • I have the S8+ and to be honest after more than a month of using it, I miss my Windows Phone. Will I go back? Never, MS does not support its user base. MS has abandoned its more loyal base with one excuse after another. They did not come out with a flagship device more than a year before relaesing the 950s which were in NO WAY near a flagship standard. That sorry excuse of a flagship lost the interest of many. I bought my PoSH!T the day it was released and had to return it twice for hardware issues. Luckily, MS store ackowledged it was hardware and threw a replacement to me(its not like they were flying off the shelves anyways). Fast forward 2 years after the release of WM10, dissaray and chaos in Redmond. No new device worthy of an upgrade, MS orphaned the platform, other OEMs are abandoning the platform, no reason we should stay?
  • In no universe do I get an Android phone.  And it's pretty weak to say there's "not much" we'll be missing.  Also, I've never been one clamouring for apps.  I had all the features and apps I needed AND functionality.
  • I agree totally, I love my 950XL, never seen the problems others claim, even the app gap was ok - I rarely had more than half a dozen loaded, that was until I moved to the USA, from the UK, mu job role changed and had to use online banking and airline apps to get boarding passes. Luckily I'd bought a stop gap Samsung On5 to give me a US number, I now carry 2 phones, the one I love and the one I need to be able to fly and do my banking. Work will eventually provide me with a S8+ which will give me something that can compete against the 950XL, then I may find a phone good enough to replace the Windows phone, it remains to be seen if I still take Windows with me. I'd love a phone with the quality of a surface, but it needs to give the app writers a good reason to convert, or perhaps provide the tools to do it for you, even run Android in a VM, just to give you access to the essential apps, otherwise I may just put up with the poor interface on Android.
  • And then compound that if you're on Verizon.  The last phone we got was the 735, released (coincidentally) exactly 3 years ago today. It was available on Verizon in May 2015, 2.5 years ago. The last flagship we got was the Icon, released 3.5 years ago!  I'm on my third Icon, this one refurbished.  It's on its last legs and I just don't think I can continue using the same phone into a 4th year.  I'd love to have tried the 950, the 950xl, the Elite X3, or the Idol 4S. Unfortunately now I'm researching which Android to get this upcoming holiday season.
  • Unfortunately I had to move back to Verizon & switch to Android. After 2 weeks I already miss my Windows OS.
  • Should have switched to iPhone. Android is buggy trash.
  • So, our choices are buggy trash or refined trash.  I'll pass.  I'll use my 1020 until it dies, then fall back on my 950.
  • So is iPhone. Rows and rows of trashy icons, no SD card, and no wireless charging. iPhone is a HUGE step backwards!!
  • no need for SD card when your phone has more than 32 gb of storage,  Wireless charging is meh, rows and rows of "trashy icons" means APPS...something that windows 10 moible has NONE!  All you have on the screen of a windows 10 mobile device is a LONG ROW of web pins.   USELESS....try again!
  • What did you go with?  Ironically all the Windows Phones I wanted on Verizon weren't there, so the first two Android phones I identified as ones I wanted (HTC U11 and Sony XZ Premium) don't work on Verizon either. Annoying.
  • I feel for you. The fact that you have been through 3 of the same phone is crazy. You're inbetween a rock and a hard place :(
  • Busted the screen on my 950xl. Desperately looking for somewhere to get it repaired or the parts to repair it myself. Using my back up phone, an android, is extremely frustrating.
  • I guess thats a sign to move on.
  • When I bought my 950XL, I got a free 950. It's sitting in a box, waiting for the day something happens to my 950XL.
  • Here's hoping other OEMs make regular non-pc mobile phones.  I'm sure there are those who want a PC in a phone but I'm not one of those.  I don't want a miniature PC.  I want a mobile phone with an OS that's stable.  For those who want a PC phone that will be a good option for you.  I'm just hoping there will be options in the Microsoft OS space for non-PC mobile devices.  For the life of me I can't believe there aren't any rumors of any impending phones from Microsoft.  They must be really, really, be in stealth mode.  Or there aren't any new phones on the horizons.  Let's hope it's the former. 
  • win10s + small form factor = win10.arm, Think this is the phone for you.
  • They aren't going to make another phone, PC or not. No way they can justify releasing another phone unless they have something truly revolutionary. A PC phone isn't revolutionary.
  • Says you. They will make a phone again. Says me.
  • You have nothing to back that statement up. You said yourself that it is impossible because they don't have apps. You think Microsoft doesn't know that? Why would they try again without apps? Why would you want them to try again without apps? At this time there is no indication they plan on releasing a new phone or phone platform. They are certainly working on them, but they won't release anything in the near future if ever. If they somehow stumble into "the next big thing", and can bring about a revolution, they will. They will not release another phone or phone platform that isn't revolutionary.
  • People still use Windows Phone? Horrible browser, buggy and slow OS, less and less apps everyday. I sold my 950XL. Still have 920 and several other WP, but they are useless. iPhone 8 is coming people. Time to move on. iPhone has both Microsoft's and Google's apps. Win win.
  • I was looking for some comedy. Looks like I found it....
  • After the first 12 months of updates Windows 10 Mobile was a decent OS. However by then the first Lumia 950 reviews had trashed the reputation and Microsoft had effectively withdrawn from the mobile business. Yet another Microsoft tale of errors, complacency, lack of attractive flagship product, poor ecosystem and diminishing effort to make the store and UWP effective.
  • You didn't have a 950XL OR 920. No one invested that much in the Windows Phone platform would come here and say "horrible browser, buggy and slow OS" and then recommend an iPhone. Especially the one who owned a 950XL which was released when WP was already in decline and very hard to justify for the non-fan consumer. Go back to iNews or whatever that's called and stop trolling here.
  • Lmao, I've been on this site forever since Windows Phone 7.5 on Lumia 900. It was very smooth and lag free. Every new OS, is getting worst with stability and lag. Lumia 950XL has a terrible back cover that creaks. It gets hot when you game. Time to move away from dead OS.
  • This site didn't even review the 950XL it was so buggy!
  • My 950XL works great!! I don't know what your issue is.
  • Well, I had a Lumia 920, then a 925, then a 930, and finally a 950xl. The first 3 phones were excellent (the OS helped a lot), but the 950xl? Totally waste of money. So I had to move on and get a Huawei p9 (good camera BTW). Android will never be as good as WP8.1, but compared to W10M, is way better. Even the ancient Windows Mobile 6.x was more stable.
  • While I dislike iOS, I must agree with you. iOS is very reliable, while My sh1tty Lumia 950XL keeps freezing, overheating and rebooting often when using Whatsapp. Battery lfie is terrible and the camera is "vibrating" (Instead of OIS, I get a vibration of some kind...)... 11 more days and then I repalce that 💩 with Note 8.
  • iOS is somehow insufficient imo. e.g.
    * How do you close your Notification panel in iOS? You'd have to move you finger all the way down, from the topmost to the bottom most, then swipe up? Time consuming not? * Swipe up to bring out "Quick Settings".
    You can toggle wifi / bluetooth on or off, but can you add bluetooth devices or routers? How do you jump to advance setting from here? * No common share api. Sharing an image from Google Photo or Apple Photo... why the different apps in the "Activity" list? * how do you perform ctrl+a/x/c/v from your virtual keyboard? * Can you directly scroll your textfield / inputfield if the text is too long? "Address Bar" for instance, in iOS, you'd have to use "Input Caret" to scroll... * Time picker in iOS is inefficient and not reliable. * Can you double tap home button to switch between appA and appB? * Launching another app from current app, how fast can you go back to previous app? One button fast? etc, etc. And pages and pages of icons... Forced people to arrange'em from top left to bottom right...
    How can you coop with your wallpapers?
  • That will be a cool 900$. There's no justification to buy an overpriced device when you can buy a nice device for one fourth that price. It is stupid how people pay so much money for something that does so little  
  • First, the line between "consumer" and "enterprise" is blurred. Most enterprises these days have a byod policy. As a "consumer", I use my purchased device for both personal and work. Second, earlier this year I dropped my Lumia Icon it shattered the screen. Being a VZW subscriber, the only option was the Lumia 735. A weak option. I got one, but it struggled to open some apps, and web pages would keep reloading while I tried to read them. "Luckily" my wife dropped her 735. VZW has no more in stock. So I went to eBay and found a new (as in never been used, in stock at a third party reseller) Icon. I gave my wife my 735 and switched back to the phone I really liked. Wish some of the newer phones were on VZW. I believe that there is still a market for Windows Phones (granted it is very small) but new phones would at least keep it alive until the next great thing comes along. I also admit that my carrier is part of the problem here. But there have been plenty of users on the VZW community forums asking for newer Windows phones.
  • From one Windows Phone fan to another: DON'T BUY ANOTHER Windows Phone!!! As you likely already know, Apps--, you get forwarded to Edge, Edge will give you link to download the appropriate app on the Google Play Store. Conclusion : Buy a Droid.
    After you've bought your Droid you'll discover that MS services (except Cortana) ALL work better on ANDROID than on Windows 10 mobile.
  • I'm sticking with my 950XL as long as I can. My main issue is app support. There are a few key apps that I use that are in desperate need of updates. The developers say something is "in the works" but there's no rush. And who could blame them. Windows 10 Mobile is quickly fading into the sunset with absolutely no sign of support, encouragement or hope from Microsoft. The key folks who waved the Windows 10 Mobile banner with excitement have fallen silent as if the mobile system never existed. While I'm still hanging on to the 950XL, I'll likely make the move to the iPhone one of these days. The hard part about moving on is that every time I go shopping for an iPhone, I'm reminded how nice W10M is and I talk myself out of making the switch. Eventually, though, I'll have to give in and move on. Which sucks.
  • Nothing wrong with my 1520 but wanted to upgrade. Surface Pro 3 blasted onto the scene and got talk going again about a Surface phone but instead we got the 950XL. So I got it as an interim phone thinking it will get me by until the Surface phone came out (it didn't). So what to do, wanting a phone with a point of difference that can make you "Productive like a Boss". Ta Da enter the BlackBerry Keyone" loving it and it not just another slab of glass aka S8 and iPhone 8m
  • The most pointless question asked to insiders with Windows 10 Mobile is whether they would recommend the build to friends. If I recommended Windows 10 Mobile to friends the question is how would they buy one?  
  • What's the overall consensus on how many billions MS should lose on mobile? Another 10, 20, 100? There has never been a profitable windows phone (look it up). Windows on ARM is to extend the capabilities & functionality of the PC, not relaunch windows phone. The reason there aren't any windows phones is because theyre not viable or profitable. Mistagreg tried to crowdfund one & got 102 people out 4000 to sign up...
  • MS bought a hardware company to manufacture phones. How many real phones did they pump out before MS took a dump on them? McClaren was abandoned, 950 was a plastic peice of crap that was not a flagship upon release. MS had to take a loss on the Nokia deal because they bought a company and did not know what to do with it. MS has a chance, heck MS had a chance with home automation using XBox that most homes with kids have. But who will wake them up? MS is the IBM of today.. the elephant in the room, no purpose.... just there...   
  • There are horribly run companies out there that offer compelling products or services that people embrace (hello Uber). Sure MS has bungled it, but some of the blame must also lie in the product itself. The phones don't sell, OEMs aren't charities. I don't understand people who criticize MS but don't recognize the massive deficiencies in the product they put out.
  • Wouldn't the company also be respnsible for those deficiencies?
  • Well yes, obviously. However it's often portrayed in these forums that windows phone was an excellent product that MS didn't properly market & if they had just tried harder they would've succeeded. For some reason people are averse to actually criticizing the product as being poorly designed.
  • I believe you and those who think Microsoft's problem was lack of marketing are both wrong.
    Windows Phone was an excellent product, always one year behind. It had its strengths compared to both Android and iOS but the blame is on Microsoft for thinking marketing a product that's always behind in terms of software and support for hardware must be pursued first, instead of actually working on the product itself.
    Windows Phone as a mobile OS would have been leading if it came 2 years sooner, and the updates weren't half-arsed and slow. Updates were in the right direction but always too slow. So the product wasn't bad meaning that Microsoft had identified a winning design language in WP but the company was lazy in implementation and that brought WP's doom.
  • Sure, if Microsoft had been first to market they likely would've enjoyed much more success. But they weren't, so they needed to have a better product than their competition & they didnt.
  • Not just "much more success". They could have easily become the 2nd player after iOS and that tells you about the product itself: it was better IMO, but we'd need to sync our definitions of better. If you take the core of the OS, it is better than Android. If you take the core OS and the ecosystem, then yes Android is better.
  • Android still would have steamrolled them. Android just had a much better strategy. The OEMs still would have flocked to Android even if it was late because it gave them an identity while Windows phone didn't. Microsoft was extremely selfish and didn't allow the OEMs a hand in their own products.
  • Then MS needs to quit leading people on with all of this mobile talk. I threw in the towel and have not looked back. I come here to read MS news out of curiosity these days. Android phone now, probably Chromebook next.
  • Microsoft hasn't been leading people on. I see no indication that they plan to release a new phone ever let alone in the near future. Joe B even said that W10A wasn't for phones.
  • Not a phone, but I though it has a sim-card slot and accepts uwp.pc SKU?
    Apps released on win10.pc will automatically appear on win10s and win10.arm?
  • Having a SIM slot doesn't mean it is a phone, it just means cellular data is available. W10S, W10A, and W10. They are all basically the same thing and none of them are for phones. They are all full Windows for traditional PC form factors. W10 - full Windows 10 for x86 based PCs W10A - full Windows 10 for ARM based PCs W10S - full Windows 10 for PCs that is locked to the store
  • Well, no speaker no phone I guess. Would it be hard to give it one? Just like win10, bluetooth earphone works right?
    (I hardly use voice chat these days... few times a year) If it's a 5", 6" win10.arm with sim slot, runs whatever win10s runs (app automatically scales themselves, e.g. windows central win.10 app), there'll be WhatsApp, facebook, Line for Japanese & Taiwanese, OneDrive on demand, etc..
    Well, XPA games that support xb1 gamepad + free, unlimited cross-platform cloud sync.
    I'll replace my Nexus with this device tho.
  • How would that be any different than Windows 10 Mobile? You could buy that exact device for a few years now. It didn't work then and won't work now. They need something new.
  • Are you saying, if it's (a 5" win10.arm that has sim & speaker built in, a complete pc with phone capability) just another win.phone copycat, it's destined to fall? Different is,
    old-gen-win.phone accepts uwp.phone SKU and no dev has time for another mobile OS (niche market). win10.arm is win10 on arm, accepts uwp.pc SKU just like win10s does.
    Can a dev ignore uwp.pc SKU? No.
    * likely to have surface pen support... ---------------------------------------------
    If you are a startup or freshman.
    1. code for win32 and wrap it as uwp.
    2. code for uwp.pc SKU. (runs on standard win10, win10s, win10.arm.)
    3. code for win32 and implement your own mechanism to install, sell, update, crack-proof, uninstall, advertise, etc... traditional way?
    Which one's more applicable? ps: Why should I trust a win32 app from a random nobody? Can I trust him/her to cleanup the registry during uninstallation?
    ps2: Should you let elder / kids to go *.exe hunting all by themselves? How about uwp.iot, uwp.xbox and uwp.AR/MR SKU? How about xboxes' BC/FC/XPA/GamePass? How likely is for MS to abandon these investments?
    Windows is not the golden goose (not forver), these investments (to form a ecosystem) are MS's lifeline.
    OS itself have 0 traction to keep user from leaving and Windows will become a niche OS without an ecosystem.
  • Which reminds me - I just had a discussion with a collegue who has a Oneplus 5. Another collegue came over and asked how he was getting on. Apparently his wi-fi doesn't work (known bug apparently) and they had to get a patch sent over to him. Nice. He was then showing me Youtube. I showed him myTube. I showed him how you can download youtube videos to the phone. His 'official' youtube client can't do that. But there is an app that can. Google store, a long long list of apps came up. Which one? How do you pick? He didn't know.... I'll stick with Windows 10 mobile thanks (950XL)
  • Does your Yelp work? How many banking apps do you have? I can open and log into my Geico app to access my latest insurance info/card, how do you do it with Windows phone? I can pre-order my coffee and get it, at the store along with food from various other vendors. Dont get me wrong, love the WM10 when it was a viable solution but MS has abandoned the platform. They were reinventing mobile every 2 years and wondered why developers were not flocking to them? Every 2 years your old phone could not be upgraded to the new OS. Its unfortunate that MS has no plan for mobile or anything else for that matter. IOT? 3D? Cortana? Continuim? All a fad. I will follow industry leaders and enjoy their success in home automation etc. So long MS... it was great knowing you...but enough is enough...
  • bank of America app works great, but I have to say using Edge on my Lumia 950 and pinning webpages is working great now.  In fact, I prefer it to many apps, like Facebook and Duo Lingo.  That alone solves a y app gap
  • Yes. You and the 2 other people I found here prefer pinning sites instead of official apps.
  • At least our wifi works...
  • make that three 
  • pinning webpages is for desktop useage.   I unlock hotel rooms, bank, unlock and start rental cars, board airplanes, use their onboard APPS which are not available on windows,  shop using a multitude of shopping apps that are not available on windows platform.  Take payments for my business which I cannot do with windows, and MUCH MUCH MORE!  WIndows 10 is a desktop platform,  windows 10 mobile is a desktop platform in a cramped device.   There is NOTHING MOBILE about it.  As for the youtube comment,  at least android and ios does have the offical app.  The comment about you using mytube to record videos,  and your buddy said there is an app on his device....think about what you said....ITS EXACTLY LIKE MYTUBE at that point...However,  the OFFICAL APP for youtube is STILL THERE TOO.   
  • I have a computer so don't have to rely on my phone for that sort of thing. but... yes, Yelp works for me. I have one bank account so one banking app. Not sure why I'd need to have my insurance details to hand on my phone - but each to their own. You can do what to your coffee? Seriously? You'd spend money to be able to do this? Allow me to retort! I have a 5.5" UHD AMOLED screen, a 21MP camera, with f/1.9 and a Carl Zeiss lens. i have fast charging, a removable battery, a 200GB SD card, IRIS scanning, wireless charging and a high speed USB-C port and at a price that is currently less than half of any non-Windows phone that comes remotely close to these specs. Over to you... but at least you can pre-order your coffee...
  • >Google store, a long long list of apps came up. Which one? How do you pick? He didn't know.... At least the OPTION is there. What do you do when Wells Fargo, Spotify, Amazon, PayPal all killed off their apps? Your 950XL is gonna be no better than a $300 featurephone.
  • Nothing - because I don't use Wells Fargo or Paypal. The Amazon web interface is perfectly fine on Windows 10 and Spotify has a Windows 10 mobile client - but I prefer Groove music - as I can use both with my desktop and phone and get free months via Bing credits. To me - the option to trawl through hundreds of dodgy apps is not fun. Look - at the end of the day, if you have a desktop computer and a mobile - everything is open to you. If you ONLY have a mobile phone - then of course you need as many apps as possible, as to get anything decent out of Android - you need to spend $800+
  • :)) Youtube just announced they will drop support APIs for 3rd party youtube players, so windows crap mobile fans will be left with no proper youtube clients...but then again, fanboys will always come up with the same pathetic sentence: I wasn't even using it anyway.
  • Google are getting worried? Good.
  • NO...they are tired of moochers like MYTUBE taking content from them.
  • My official YouTube app does that just fine and it will still be working next week. You are just hoping MyTube will be supported, there is a good chance it won't if Google blocks the API.
  • I think many Windows Mobile users have bought Android. And Windows Mobile should be sale free to loyal WinMobile users who are still using old Lumia.
  • Game over man... I think this the end of the road for wp/w10m and most likely MS will focus on other products and of course, the enterprise sector. 
  • "Microsoft did something right when it introduced Windows Phone 7 and the unique Live tile UI"
    Yeah... They drove away most of Windows Mobile 6.5.5 Professional fans to Android along with developers. Good job Microsoft.
    Oh and Nutella hit the nail in the coffin.
  • Of course. They should have continued with the crappy UX of Windows Mobile 6.5.5.
    If you go back right now to before the original iPhone, it would still be idiotic to stick with Windows Mobile when a revolution in mobile is happening.
    "I'll just sit here and develop for this clunky Start button I can hardly touch with this stylus on my 2.5" screen". Winning idea.
  • Your argument about stylus shows that you've never touched Windows Mobile 6.5.5 or even 6.5. Windows Mobile had marketshare and apps, including Google ones. They kept updating the UI and they should have continued doing so, instead of throwing 90% of features away and rebooting it into an iOS wannabe that you had to sync via freaking Zune (and it couldn't even copy-paste text on launch). Windows Mobile was like Desktop Windows, while Windows Phone 7 was like Windows RT.
    Can you imagine what would have happened if instead of Windows 8, we had gotten JUST Windows RT? They would have killed the whole company! They had brains to not reboot with Windows 8, but they had none when it came to phones. Oh yeah Let's reboot an OS a billion times, drop all features, lock it down, add idiotic hardware requirements to stale innovation and force devs to re-build apps from scratch every time we reboot! That's a great idea!
  • I'll just point out the gllaring flaw in your argument and that is the parallel of Windows RT and Windows 8 to WP and WM. Microsoft lost exactly because it stuck too long with WM, not because it gave WM up. You expect a PC to have all the power, and back when the original iPhone came out it was painfully obvious having the desktop complication and "features" wasn't going to work. It actually was Microsoft's lack of strategic thinking that they always thought they should bring the full power of Windows to the phone to be successful, and it's astounding that you got it completely backwards! In your completely wrong parallel, you compare taking away the power from the desktop to giving the phone the power of the desktop! Here is the correct one: Windows 8 UI and lack of flexibility on a PC was an idiotic idea, and Window clunkiness on a phone was also idiotic idea. That's why I object to your suggestion that WM was a good strategy: Microsoft had user base on WM exactly because there weren't enough alternatives back then that could be both easy to use and give you the power to manage your daily work life. It wasn't like WM had something special that the very first versions of Android didn't have, but WM actually lacked what Android and iPhone had. They stuck with WM to the point that they were 3.5 years late to the smartphone market, and that was a major contributing factor to Microsoft's demise in the mobile space.
  • Try making your points without being such a dick.
  • What can I say? I am tired of idiots.
  • Let's stop calling it "retrenchment" just because Nutella tried selling it as that. It was 100% abandonment, surrender, and quit. He only labeled it "retrenchment" so he wasn't stuck with the huge stock of hardware he already was committed to. It was nothing more than a bold face lie to pass the cost off to those that trusted him, those that held hope, and those you just didn't know. He flat out lied.
  • It wasn't even Nutella who sold it like that. It was Daniel Rubino who said it first and then spent the following months searching for somebody in Microsoft who would say it too and he found it on an interview where he made out of it a whole article. Like if he was desperatly searching for confirmation for what he said. Like what he did with surface phone : first article about it was in 2012...
  • Ah yes the "Surface Phone"...
    I remember watching some Windows Central podcast recently. "if you need app X, then the Surface Phone is not for you". Yeah? And who is it for? Enterprise? Which company is going to buy a ~$1000 device that has no mobile apps and can MAYBE run desktop apps when docked or whatever from a company with a history of mobile failure? CEOs? Ha! CEOs of all people will definitely be using iPhones and iPad Pros, even if other employees use cheap Lenovo laptops. What's left then? Windows Logo worshipers? How many of them are there? A thousand at most? Apple has an infinite legion. Maybe a few rich masochists (including myself, not that I'm rich lol) would buy such a device, but nobody else. Not enough to support such a device. Businesses buy low-to-midrange phones for their users.... or old iPhones. They don't buy premium devices, especially not the ones that will be dead on arrival. Anyway why am I even talking about this? Surface Phone is the Half-Life 3 of phones. No one's developing it and nobody will. It's nothing more than a load of wishful thinking. Dropping the "Phone" from "Windows Phone Central" was a smart move...
  • FYI, my company gets the new latest updated iPhones every 2-3 years.  I use an iPhone 7 just about everyday.  And I still don't like it.  Give me a Windows Phone anyday, any minute, and any second.  But here's the deal.  My daily driver is a WP phone that runs 8.1.  I prefer 8.1 better than I do Windows Mobile 10.  For one I prefer the email much better in 8.1.  I like the pivots.  Yeah, I find it humorous and ironic I started coming to this site because it was about "Windows Phones"; yes Windows Phone Central.  Now just about all Windows Phones have disappeared.  And mostly the only "phones" Windows Central talks about or refers to are obsolete.  They don't or can't even talk about "real" upcoming phones. (To be fair there is the Alcatel Idol Pro).  So to your point it's a good thing the name change was made.  Makes you wonder if they were told something.  Hmmm... 
  • LMAO. Please don't tie Daniel to anything Nutella does. There is no way you can tie any of that to him and that's ridiculous.
  • WE don't have any windows phones of any brand in our market long time ago everyone just gave up and moved in even the retailers 
  • Carrier relationships will still matter. Success in this endeavor is not only limited to profitability. It will still need to carve out a market share for any sustainability or long term success. As we have learned from years of disappointments, any future attempts cannot be exclusive to any one carrier and should still have options for carrier financing.
  • Even the iPhone started with carrier exclusives. Microsoft doesn't just get to skip that step. They need to prove themselves with exclusives first, then they can demand all the carries support them. Haven't done that yet, and until they do, exclusives are their only choice.
  • Although I have an iPhone and will get its latest soon, I won't ever surrender my 950. It still sports the best interface, and I so wish it and the iPhone could merge their best features.  If a company wants to be taken seriously in any market, it has to commit to that market. It has to be all in on producing the best product it can, relentless in pursuit of excellence. MS has great ideas, but it lacks commitment and seems reluctant to commit resources. IMO, this is also true of its browser.  About a year ago, MS made it clear it was not serious about Windows mobile. Although I had purchased my 950 six months earlier, I was done with wishful thinking and went and bought the 7+. 
  • I recommend Swappa. I was recently looking for a 640, and that's the best luck I had. There's still lots of stock that people bought up or vendors are trying to unload from Cricket or Go phones. Unfortunately this is a perfect supply and demand scenario. People can charge what they please until users stop buying   (btw wincen mods posting from win phone via app not working)
  • Hard? Physical MSFT stores don't even have any phones other than Galaxy S8 on sale anymore. They don't even have WPs on display. So it's not hard, it's impossible.
  • It's literally impossible to find a new smartphone with Windows. My 950 was stolen a few weeks ago and i have to buy a new android phone... Shame on you Microsoft!!!!
  • Who ever made the mistake to steal a windows phone? Haha! Bad market!
  • After they found out if was a WP they tossed it in the trash.
  • :)) I feel sorry for the burglar. He can barely get a beer on that wreck
  • I quickly purchased the elite x3, it's definitely going to be the last ship that will sink with the captain... It was an honour sailing with you Windows Phone. Adiós
  • I like my Lumia 640 and 650. But the lack of apps just makes them less useful to me. Back my androids until the app gap gets better, if ever. 
  • There is just not a market for them to continue to make these Windows phones. Most folks do not even know there is something called a Windows phone. Makes no sense for them to manufacture them for the few enthusiasts that want them. 
  • Which it won't, as developers won't support a platform that has next to zero users compared to the big two
  • Which it won't, as developers won't support a platform that has next to zero users compared to the big two
    Absolutely true, and it shows the utter and complete failure of Microsoft's gambit to use the PC market as a captive "app-enabled" market to try to convince app devs to write Windows Store apps that would run now on PCs and also on phones (hopefully) later.  That attempt was the entire reason Windows 8 was such a failure on the PC, and it's stil a key design parameter of 10 on the PC. For a "mobile first" company, this has certainly been a weird few years since 8 came out, and especially so since 10 arrived.  It's hard to imagine Microsoft simply giving up on mobile, but it's also hard to see a path forward from the bad situation they find themselves in with regard to mobile.  When the Android Market/Play and the App Store first arrived, they were not well populated with apps either, but back then people had no expectation of things being any different than that. Just having downloadable apps at all was kind of a "gee whiz" thing in and of itself, and the only way to go was up. It's a different time now, and people who have accepted the existence of Play and App Store such that they are will not be likely to move away from a platform that has lots of apps to one that has only a few.  Windows mobile may well be the best mobile OS, but people use smartphones for what they can do with the apps, not for the OS itself.  It's the more tech-oriented people who tend to identify more with one specific OS and want to support that, as they understand that the OS and the apps that run on it, while related to one another, are separate, so we choose first an OS on its merits, then try to solve the "apps" thing second.  The tech press has been pronouncing Windows Phone dead for a while now, and MS seems to have reluctantly come around to accept the same.  Despite the huge effort MS put in to writing Win 10 and pushing it on anyone they could, it was probably too late for the gambit of using the desktop to sell phones well before 10 was released. When MS releases apps for competing platforms before it does to its own Windows mobile platform (if it releases them at all), it's hard to miss the vote of no faith in their own stuff. So if that's the case, why is MS still crossing its arms and refusing to give PC users the desktop-oriented OS they want?  MS continues to push the half-mobile, half-desktop UI on desktops even though the purpose for which it was created (to sell Windows phones) has been abandoned.  PC sales figures are declining, but that doesn't mean PC users are gone, or that we soon will be; we're still here, just with older equipment that still runs every version of desktop Windows just fine (with an unprecedented four consecutive versions of Windows that all have approximately the same minimum hardware requirements.  Any PC that has the power to run Vista can run 7, 8, or 10 just as easily, at least in terms of resource consumption).  Why throw that declining but still very big cash cow away on a hybrid OS few people wanted when the primary purpose for that hybrid OS is already a lost cause?  Why annoy those customers who do remain in PC-land with the endless spying that they refuse to let us turn off completely, the forced updates that bork our machines more often than not (firing the QA department right when you are about to go to a rolling release schedule will tend to do that), ads in the OS itself and not just in "apps..."  By now everyone knows what the complaints about 10 on desktop are, even if they don't have a problem with 10 themselves. I know that the desktop isn't the focus on this site, but all of this reinforces the idea that MS seems to have no idea at all what they are doing.  Either that or they are trying to kill off Windows completely (while monetizing it short-term) to become only a cloud services company.  It looks like Windows 10 was one last "Hail Mary" shot at mobile; if MS unexpectedly succeeded with that act of desperation, they could begin to reverse the process of monetizing Windows so much in the short term that its long term prospects are poor, and if not, the "soak them for all they are worth until there's no Windows left" plan is all that would remain. As one who uses and likes Windows on the PC (even though I keep hearing that no one actually likes Windows on the PC, I must say that I do, or that I used to anyway.  It's far from perfect, but it's my scruffy, imperfect OS.  Linux, of course, is scruffy and imperfect in different ways, and I have to admit I've come to like it as well in the short time I have used it, but it (like Windows on mobile) also faces an issue of not being able to run a lot of the things people want to run. I don't want to see it PC Windows go, but it seems that if MS can't have mobile, they don't even want the PC anymore, and they'd rather squeeze out all of the juice now rather than bet on it continuing as a revenue stream going forward.
  • Which it won't, as developers won't support a platform that has next to zero users compared to the big two
    Absolutely true, and it shows the utter and complete failure of Microsoft's gambit to use the PC market as a captive "app-enabled" market to try to convince app devs to write Windows Store apps that would run now on PCs and also on phones (hopefully) later.  That attempt was the entire reason Windows 8 was such a failure on the PC, and it's stil a key design parameter of 10 on the PC. For a "mobile first" company, this has certainly been a weird few years since 8 came out, and especially so since 10 arrived.  It's hard to imagine Microsoft simply giving up on mobile, but it's also hard to see a path forward from the bad situation they find themselves in with regard to mobile.  When the Android Market/Play and the App Store first arrived, they were not well populated with apps either, but back then people had no expectation of things being any different than that. Just having downloadable apps at all was kind of a "gee whiz" thing in and of itself, and the only way to go was up. It's a different time now, and people who have accepted the existence of Play and App Store such that they are will not be likely to move away from a platform that has lots of apps to one that has only a few.  Windows mobile may well be the best mobile OS, but people use smartphones for what they can do with the apps, not for the OS itself.  It's the more tech-oriented people who tend to identify more with one specific OS and want to support that, as they understand that the OS and the apps that run on it, while related to one another, are separate, so we choose first an OS on its merits, then trying to solve the "apps" thing second.  The tech press has been pronouncing Windows Phone dead for a while now, and MS seems to have reluctantly come around to accept the same.  Despite the huge effort MS put in to writing Win 10 and pushing it on anyone they could, it was probably too late for the gambit of using the desktop to sell phones well before 10 was released. When MS releases apps for competing platforms before it does to its own Windows mobile platform (if it releases them at all), it's hard to miss the vote of no faith in their own stuff. So if that's the case, why is MS still crossing its arms and refusing to give PC users the desktop-oriented OS they want?  MS continues to push the half-mobile, half-desktop UI on desktops even though the purpose for which it was created (to sell Windows phones) has been abandoned.  PC sales figures are declining, but that doesn't mean PC users are gone, or that we soon will be; we're still here, just with older equipment that still runs every version of desktop Windows just fine (with an unprecedented four consecutive versions of Windows that all have approximately the same minimum hardware requirements.  Any PC that has the power to run Vista can run 7, 8, or 10 just as easily, at least in terms of resource consumption).  Why throw that declining but still very big cash cow away on a hybrid OS few people wanted when the primary purpose for that hybrid OS is already a lost cause?  Why annoy those customers who do remain in PC-land with the endless spying that they refuse to let us turn off completely, the forced updates that bork our machines more often than not (firing the QA department right when you are about to go to a rolling release schedule will tend to do that), ads in the OS itself and not just in "apps..."  By now everyone knows what the complaints about 10 on desktop are, even if they don't have a problem with 10 themselves. I know that the desktop isn't the focus on this site, but all of this reinforces the idea that MS seems to have no idea at all what they are doing.  Either that or they are trying to kill off Windows completely (while monetizing it short-term) to become only a cloud services company.  It looks like Windows 10 was one last "Hail Mary" shot at mobile; if MS unexpectedly succeeded with that act of desperation, they could begin to reverse the process of monetizing Windows so much in the short term that its long term prospects are poor, and if not, the "soak them for all they are worth until there's no Windows left" plan is all that would remain. As one who uses and likes Windows on the PC (even though I keep hearing that no one actually likes Windows on the PC, I must say that I do, or that I used to anyway).  It's far from perfect, but it's my scruffy, imperfect OS.  Linux, of course, is scruffy and imperfect in different ways, and I have to admit I've come to like it as well in the short time I have used it, but it (like Windows on mobile) also faces an issue of not being able to run a lot of the things people want to run. I don't want to see it PC Windows go, but it seems that if MS can't have mobile, they don't even want the PC anymore, and they'd rather squeeze out all of the juice now rather than bet on it continuing as a revenue stream going forward.
  • WP is irrelevant, it's DEAD, put a fork in it, Microsoft has.
  • Again with the fork Mr. essential
  • Why can't Microsoft just give the fans one last phone?
  • They did, it was called the Lumia 650.
  • Yes they did I'm talking about now, just to sustain the fans, while preparing for the surface phone.
  • There is no surface phone.
  • There is no spoon and the cake is a lie.
  • If they were preparing for a Surface phone they would be putting effort into the ecosystem now. The total lack of work on UWP is a good indication that they have no plans to release a new mobile device. Joe B's statement about WoA not being for phones is also a good indication it isn't coming. There is nothing Microsoft can do now to get back into the race. It is way too late. They won't waste their time again.
  • I panicked earlier this month when m phone kept on turning off randomly. I called up the locall microsoft store only to find out they closed down. So i coudnt take my phone in. Another benefit of being a MS supporter-- no support. I would have had to drive 2 hours away to the other nearest one, then they would have sent my phone in, and then.. I mean, jesus christ. I woudn't have had a phone after all the effort anyway. So i took a gamble and bought a new batter off Amazon for $30 bucks and it works like new again  It kills me that I like neither Spamdroid nor Apple. However, since there aren't any good options for a new MS phone, after this one really bites the dust I will be buying an Apple regretfully. MS only has only themselves to blame. Why would microsoft stop supporting their own podcast app and their FM tuner? C'mon.   
  • Jesus, you people need to get over your hate of Android or iOS. It limits your choices, and it's really goddamn stupid, to be honest. I chose Android because it's powerful. My co-workers chose iPhones because they love the outstanding support. People like you """chose""" W10m because you hate iOS and Android. Get the picture?
  • And here comes the lack of perspective. You wouldn't hate iOS and Android if you hadn't experienced anything better. Going to either Android or iOS is a downgrade for us. It's not like we don't know how those two work and feel; it's exactly because we know what they are and how they work.
    You want to tell me that you people who "chose" Android would say "yeah, it's alright" if Android were to disappear from your lives? Or would you go to AndroidCentral or wherever and vent about how frustrated you are to have to deal with iOS now? "Get the picture?"
  • It isn't a downgrade. iOS and Android are a huge upgrade from a Windows phone. There is a reason Microsoft failed so hard with mobile, their platform was bad. Really bad. You don't fail that hard with a good platform.
  • OK.  I did use windows mobile, windows phone 7, 8, 10.   And I am using Iphone now.  so your argument goes down the ******* now.   I left because of the terrible app support on windows 10 mobile.  I 100% upgraded when I bought my 6s.  it's faster,  Don't need sd card since i have plenty of storage plus 1tb of cloud,  I don't need cortana as I have my dell 2 in 1 for that.  Why have a slow crappy desktop experience with dated hardware when you have have a great desktop expereince with a real computer.  The iphone 6s laps the 950xl in speed.   everything is instant with with 6s,  while on my 950xl its waiting to start,  waiting to load etc.  the ONLY place where the 950xl is better than my iphone is the camera....but,  its not that much better anymore,  and besides,  the accessories for photos that iphone has just slaughters the 950xl again.  So lets move on to wearables.  Iphone can access any android wear device,  so the awesome casio pro trek smartwatch is avaiable to me....then move to the apple watch.  the best integrated wearable available whether MS fanboys would cry otherwise or not...its a fact.  Apple watch and iphone are integrated better than any other 2 devices.  I have yet to change a battery in any of my phones.  My iphone lasts 2 days with moderate usage.  No need to swap batteries.  I own a 950xl and an iphone 6s....The iphone KILLS the lumia.  Fanboys blinded by hate need to open their eyes.
  • Microsoft desperately needs to kill off Windows Phone or come out with something that can compete with Android!  This is like watching a cancer patient die a slow painful death!  Seriously Microsoft either quit Mobile or try something new!!!
  • Well, in Chile we always had to import Windows Phones so that's not news for us.
  • without say also that here developments of apps for windows phone and mobile for chilean market been almost 0.00%  and never Nokia and Microsoft did anything to get some marketshare in  Chile,  the only ads that made and was forced to do on  the magazine of products and services of an phone company was Movistar who still with an agreement with Nokia for distribution of their products   but massive  advertisemment was almost not existent, 1st big error, how do you want build an marketshare if you do not know even that exist another alternative to glitchy androids  and when the people got their products    found the app gap was biggest , without count that always counted with outdated versions or even eternal betas of software, somebody recalls instagram beta? , also  when they started to develop windows 10 mobile suppose the taken off apps like refocus etc etc  would be take back as an integrated to camera  app the most ironic of all is that  windows 8.1 gdr 2 on an lumia 830 opened lumia camera in a blink of eye, but the 950xl with more powerful  hardware  and with an integrated camera app  takes about 5-6 seconds in open the camera app besides the glitches that have found in focus  in some kinds of scenes  the phone simply  refuse to focus and  even sending reports to microsoft but they have not heard their customers, all those things   makes an windows phone fan get tired  in fact i got moved to an samsung S7 and althought   have lost many things that had windows mobile and windows phone at least have apps and even my bank  have apps there and have not to beg to an bank  an app and wait that they do that like happened with Banco falabella that had to beg to them an app and they did an half baked app for dynamic password  for online banking.     microsoft errors  just make us as users  start to just not trust in them anymore and when that occurs you will never suceed in the market of the mobiles phones      
  • Launcher 10 on android works great. The interface works similar to W10M and has live tiles as an option. Everyone who looks at my Galaxy S7 thinks it's a Windows phone. Android apps with the W10M interface = WIN
  • I was burned by MS with my L800 not getting WP8. I was burned when my L925 couldn't get W10M. Now my 950XL is nearing the end. Sorry but whatever device Satya and his crew decide to come out with, I refuse to buy it on principle alone. I will not get shafted for a 4th or 5th time. They need to learn consequences for continually screwing over their consumers.... And I hope their new phone fails as expected. They deserve it.
  • They know it, and  hence there will be no new phone.
  • "It's getting harder and harder to find good Windows phones — and that's..." all according to plan.
  • Agreed.  From a consumer perspective it is hard to get a windows phone.  Because we want the lates and greatest, and that is where carriers and the consumer facing market have Android and iPhones on every corner.  The world is flooded with them.  I like that Microsoft is stirring the pot...I am also glad to still be using a perfectly working Lumia 1520 running W10M, and supported as of the current date.  The switch has not been turned off just yet...but when it does something else will fill its place anyway...
  • Well ... That's exactly the reason for me to switch to android.
    Have been using NL1520 for last couple of yrs.
    Nokia & MS was an amazing combination & with no new devices & new updates, I'm obligated to switch after using Windows Phone for last 7yrs.
  • I have been a die hard WP fan for as far as I can remember and I have been the in-your-face supporter who endeavored everyone around him to move to WP 8 and W10M and even proselytized a handful of people to do so, only to be embarrassed when a friend invested in HP Elite x3. But recently, I am finding ot harder and harder to justify my heart's proclivity towards an OS which is not supported by its own manufacturer. Microsoft has done everything to distance itself from the best OS out there in the market and it is disappointing. No other company in the world would do so. Satya's stance has repeatedly changed; first it was 3 devices a year then it was we will continue to make devices. Well if you don't release a device for 2 years and counting, no developer would develop. Whilst the app gap may not that extreme in US/UK, it is absolutely appalling in other parts of the world, like Pakistan where I am from. The OS has no maps available for Pakistan. Regional app giants like Careem (equivalent of Uber) has no app along with a ton of others. Cortana still does not respond to Hey Cortana on phones, including HP Elite x3. And with my Lumia 950 reaching its second anniversary, I am more inclined to use it as my second device and change my daily driver. For the longest time I was dreading replacing my phone with an Android device (because iOS is not even an option) and with LG V30 those concerns are now allayed. Until Microsoft champions its own OS and supports OEMs like Alcatel, WhartonBrooks, WileyFox, HP, Acer, who made the mistake in investing in your OS, the burden should not fall on the consumers to do so. 
  • You should have stopped recommending WP after 8.1 when you saw updates winding down. Hell, when Microsoft released 950s with that CRAP for an OS you should have stopped.
    I used to do the same around the time of 8.1. It was around the time of useless Xbox Music weekly "updates" that I saw what was coming and stopped.
  • Of all the mistakes Ballmer made with mobile (and there were many) I would argue his biggest was charging carriers for the OS. Even though they carried the phones they basically ignored them for the higher margins on Android devices.
  • who on earth cares about the lack of windows phones??? besides delusional fanboys? With the simply mediocre state windows mobile is in, it does not matter what flagship anyone would come up with.  I have to be a complete idiot to waste my money on anything mobile with a Microshit OS. As for NYPD, very good that they have finaly decided to ditch those devices that were once good on WP8.1. No point for them to try to use them on win10mo, a DEAD mediocre OS. Microshit deserves every slap in the face they get!
  • What do you mean harder? There hasn't been even an adequate Windows Phone for a few years now.
  • Hi Justinian the answer to your question "What do I mean harder?", is in the article🙂. I'm not sure if you had a chance to read it it yet, but your response that there hasn't been an adequate Windows phone in years doesn't address the dilemma put forth in the title: The increasing difficult (getting harder and harder) to find good Windows phones. Just a couple of quick points before you hopefully revisit the text to see "what I mean by harder and harder: Last year you could get a new Lumia 650 from MS store online. - not anymore. "Harder" Last year Lumia 950 XL was available in MS store online. - not anymore. "Harder" Last year you could walk into a Microsoft Store to get certain Windows phones - not anymore. "Harder" Last year you could get a Lumia 950 at ATT. - Not anymore. "Harder." Last you you could get the Alcatel Fierce at T-Mobile. Not anymore. - "Harder" As time goes and used or refurbished phones resold online on sites like Amazon or ebay, are now older, the chances of finding a "good" phone are diminishing. - "Harder." The Idol 4 S/Pro represents one of the few "newer" phones but as you can see, it's getting harder and harder to find a good Windows phone if you're fan looking for one.😉
  • Thanks for clearing that up Captain Obvious! 
  • It was no match for Android which was its main competition whereas IOS was an isolated OS for only Apple products. Good that it stopped short. No users = no developers = no apps = no users ~infinity~
  • The article with the most comments always is about phonez meaning people really care about phones.
    MS please do something, thw mbile market is the futute....and your fans are really tired of waiting.
  • Microsoft has told you to stop waiting. Nothing is coming. They even started selling Android in their stores and have scaled back UWP support. Microsoft's message is loud and clear.
  • It's hard out here for a pimp...
  • Jason I like you brother and I appreciate you but I really think we don't need any more articles like this. Can we just get back to reporting and writing on news. Not speculation. Not what we already know. But new information. Even though I've been on Android now for three years ,almost catching up to the time I spent on Windows Phone, I still turn to Windows Central for reliable info on the Surface Phone or any other resurgence in the mobile space and I just haven't found it. Just focus on the other wonderful things going on at Microsoft until we actually have something concrete to talk about. That's just my opinion anyway. I really used to enjoy your pieces but they haven't been backed up one bit by the ones we need to be hearing from. Microsoft seems content with leaving the fans in this state of suspension. It begins to liken to the state of the world and it's seemingly no end to destruction and despair for humanity and those of us (and those who believe it's all a fairy tale) who await The One who will return from the clouds and establish His kingdom on the earth. I know you would understand my reference here.
  • Yes! I was about to leave this EXACT comment. Pretty much, anyway ;)
  • Yes. I appreciate the guy too, clearly an intelligent and passionate writer. On the other hand I feel it's a waste of talent. WP is dead, there's nothing to write anymore. Don't let passion become an obsession. Dedicate your writing skills to other tech news. It's a win-win.
  • the 950 phones are plagued at least in my experience, plagued with the accidental reset bug. if i simply bump the phone by accident it resets, especially at the gym. ill listen to tunes plop it down on the treadmill phone rest and the force resets the phone. its maddening these phones are unusable. i am selling my 950 xl soon
  • i agree we don't need articles like this anymore, until there is concrete proof of a new mobille smartphone experience coming from microsoft i think this should be the end of these types of articles. i appreciate trying to keep the flame or dream of windows on phones alive but even i will see the headline groan and try not to read it knowing there really isn't anything truly informative or new or different than what we last read in previous exact same articles
  • You may or may not like where Microsoft lands w/ Windows Mobile in the future, but something is afoot. Apart from the out and out speculation on the future of Windows Mobile, combined w/ the legit announcements from Microsoft, the demos of CSHELL, Windows on Arm, etc. Just consider this current job opening at Microsoft for a Senior Program Manager w/ Windows Mobile. Take a look at the job responsibilities.  https://careers.microsoft.com/jobdetails.aspx?jid=307812&pp=VR
  • Sorry for not believing a single written or spoken word from Microsoon. The lied so bad all the time that even written articles, and job postings are most likely lies.
  • I just purchased 3 Alcatel Idol 4s's after Microsoft dropped the price to $199. My dad has a Lumia 1020 that he has been using without issue for the past 4 years until he accidentally dropped his TV remote on it and cracked the screen 2 months ago. My step-mom switched to a Lumia 640 when she dropped her 1020 in the kitchen sink last year, but she's had a lot of "low storage" issues, even with an SD card added. I also went ahead and bought an Idol 4s for myself to replace my Lumia 950 because I'm now getting about 4 hours of usage from the battery if I'm not near a charger throughout the work day. I've also had a lot of heat issues with the Lumia 950 ever since I first got mine last year, which from what I read was due to the processor used in the 950.
  • Sad maybe but not at all unexpected
  • In Australia all the Windows Mobiles disappeared from most retailers after the Xmas sales and were entirely gone when Summer ended at the end of Feb. Even from the MS site directly, the only mobile available since February has been the overpriced HP Elite x3 (AU$1099). I love my Lumia 950, but I really don't know what my next phone will be. As it stands I'm not going to buy the x3 unless it's under $500. It looks like I'll have to join the Samsung bandwagon, because seriously screw Apple
  • The king of recycling the same terrible article over and over again for more than a year. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  • Hi Isreal can you help me find the other articles I've written about this topic, the difficultly Windows Phone fans have finding Windows phones. To my recollection I have never written on this topic and did so at this juncture at the suggestion of my managing editor. You're free to peruse my articles to find those articles you've stated I've written on this topic. If you find them please post the links in a reply. www.windowscentral.com/author/jason-ward
  • The magnitude of this MS farkup will probably be studies by MBA students in the future. Did they not learn one single thing from Nokia??
  • This will not only go for the studies on how NOT to behave as a company, but will also go into history as a the greatest FAILURE of all times, how a company managed to fck users and developers for years. Maybe they should give it a proper title: How to lie about it and think to get away with it :)))
  • Finally had to retire my old Windows Phone and go for Android.  I am liking it a lot I must say, but I do miss Windows Phone.  Microsoft, you let your fan base down...
  • Well, I decided to get the AlcaTel Idol 4S recently. It's actually working pretty well for me. It was a great deal. The thing is, I'm absolutely not willing to use Android or iOS. I've gone my whole life without using either one, because I went straight from feature phones to a Windows Phone. From where I'm sitting, Windows Phone is still the best alternative out there. I mean, what else am I going to use? Tizen? Blackberry? Sailfish? None of those things are any better supported than Windows Phone. 
  • Yep I agree, my Windows phone does everything I need it to do, and it's reliable enough that I can just use it daily and not worry anymore. I'm happy with where it is really, maybe add night light, but that's it. I still have an older iPhone that I use occasionally for iMessage/iCloud stuff, other than that, happy camper on W10M here.
  • Just replaced my 950XL with a 950XL.. debating on getting a HP Elite next time if the price comes down. That or a BlackBerry Keyone if I go Android. 
  •   So I finally gave up... on my 950 and got my 950XL out of the box and decided that big phone life is the future, as much as I dislike it. Loving it so far, the 810 vs 808 performance is quite apparent!! This should be more well known, if I had known how much smoother, (just milliseconds, but those count!) the general experience was, I would've succumbed to the larger phone craze a while back. Anyways. I'm eyeballing an Elite x3 on ebay/swappa around $450. I'm well aware of the failing W10M ecosystem and know that I can pick up an unlocked Galaxy S8 off amazon for $575, but I don't care, probably going to pick an x3 up soon anyways to get the final, ultimate, W10M experience.  
  • "There's reason to believe that telephony-enabled ultramobile PCs represent the direction the company's going in". yeah, right, I'll just take my 7" Ultra *cof* mobile * (AKA TABLET) * PC from my abnormaly huge pocket, and use like it isn't odd to have such a big devide on my ear. Or I'll take my laptop from my bag, while running from coffe shop to office, to check my whatsapp 'cause I have to make sure boss isn't around yet. C'mon, "Telephony enabled Ultramobile PCs" have a name: SMARTPHONE. And if Microsft is not doing a smartphone, they are not doing a "Telephony enabled Ultramobile PCs". This is BS. I have been with Windows phones since Windows Mobile 6, all the way to W10M my last Windows Phone (L640). They were great, but always lacked what's freaking most important: apps. Microsoft kept changing things more times than devs could bear, and so they were fewer and fewer. Now if wanted a GOOD (not perfect, excelent, or whatever) Windows Phone I would have to pay US$600 (HP Elite x3), to -as a smartphone- have about the same experience as an US$200,00 android one. Either that or I could go for a L650, which is worse, but still had to pay US$400. Luckily I found that the perfect "mobile" Windows device are Tablets, with either Atoms x5, x7, or even a Core m3. They are not he "perfect gadget" that can be a Smartphone, a Tablet and a Laptop, but they are perfect 2-in-1. The other funcionality ("telephony") for now I will have an android, please. Windows Mobile/Phone/Than-Mobile-Again, it was good, but now I say my farewells.
  • Now, say thanks to CEO Nadella, who let go Windows Mobile 10 to go west without a replacement solution. Why there was no time to wait 2 or 3 years, till  then next thing will be ready? The Surface Mobile device with x86 possibility?
    Why they did'n made at least one new phone for the windows phone lovers? Really sad for all microsoft and windows lovers.
    But if they would tell us, what they doing, and what they are trying ... let us be with them in this process we could live better.
    But nothing, all is secrete, nothing ... My only idea is, there is really nothing...
  • Keep the phones, send nadella west!    
  • Try getting a Windows phone when you are limited to verizon for the carrier!
  • 2018 is 4 months away, rumors start speculation speculation starts interest, leaks pique interest, we have nothing absolutely nothing.
  • now would be the time to start leaking, start hinting that something is coming, that a last attempt at a true 3rd mobile operating system again is coming
  • Do we really need Windows on ARM anymore? Look at Ockel Sirius A   It's not WP but if they throw in a SIM card, it might be my next device. Or maybe I'll just Skype instead of making traditional calls. Image: http://www.ockelcomputers.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/ockelcomputers...
  • I love the design of my 650. Can't they just replace the inside with new processes?
  • Well don't matter for most of us now as we have moved on. Do miss my 950 XL sometimes. If there was a replacement phone the exact same size but with an 835 on board it would have been my replacement.
  • I just ordered a Moly X1 4D 5.5 with Windows 10 Mobile from Amazon as a birthday gift for my mother. I'm confident she will love the Windows Phone experience.
  • Switched to a Galaxy S8 a month ago and haven't regretted it once, even after 5 years of WP. Never been a loyalist to brands - I pick what does the job for me, I won't spend money on a company just because I feel obliged to when there are better products for me out there. Maybe MS has a long term vision. But that's just reading between the lines right now, and all I want is a smartphone that works and works well. Life's too short to get hung up over C Shell or UWP or all that, just buy what you'll enjoy at the time. If that's W10M, great. Can't say I enjoyed using it in those final months though.
  • problem is we know...... ;)
  • Its HARD ENOUGH just to find a WINDOWS PHONE!
  • I have bought an HP Elite X3 and (although it was terribly expensive) it is the best buy of my life!
    I will NEVER give up on Windows phones! :-)
  • With the Creator's Update my 640 XL is showing its technical limitations - RAM especially.  Edge constantly gives me troubles (perhaps its just Edge as other things work just fine). I would like to get a newer device but I refuse to support Apple or Google.  I'm really hoping that Microsoft will come out with a device that works as mobile and beyond so that I can move on to that instead of another smartphone.  Otherwise, I'll have to see if I can just resort back to an older talk and text phone and go about my day.  
  • What's funny is that I was over at Best Buy on Monday and the person that checked me out immediately noticed that I was using a Microsoft/Nokia Lumia and asked about possible Windows Phones he could get.  I mentioned buying an HP Elite X3 (which is what I would like to purchase for myself.)
  • Did the check out person say why they were interested in a Windows Phone?
  • No. he didn't specify.
  • Ugh. Broke the screen/digitizer on my 950xl. Using my backup phone which is an android and it's been nothing but frustration. If anyone has advice on where specifically to get replacement parts for the 950xl or where to send it to get repaired please let me know.
  • using an android phone now and i still prefer windows 10 mobile so i don´t really know what to do here 
  • Just get a Windows Phone online at the Microsoft store or on Ebay or Amazon.
  • I have just moved over to a Samsung G8+ from MS 950XL.  I absolutly hate it, but there is no alternative other than apple.  Why anyone would not prefer windows 10 over this rubbish, I have no idea.  But now that i have just invested £700 or so in this device, there is no going back to Windows for at least 2 years.  I held on as long as I could for the fabled Surface phone.
  • What was so enticing about W10M?
  • It's intuitive, smooth, good-looking, and a breeze to use. Live tiles provide you with brief info without having to open the app. It's really a vivid interface with al those turning and scrolling tiles.
  • I have been using WP since Nokia Lumia 520 (My first smart phone btw.) Then I switched to 730 (which I still consider as the best windows phone) and after a screen break, I switched to Lumia 830 (which I hated the most... got one with bad GPS module)... I have been using windows phone for about 5-6 years and defended it as much as I could... Now, I am using Iphone SE 32GB, which I got for about 240 bucks... After a week of using iOS.. I cant imagine switching back to windows mobile anymore... sad story.. MS killed their own baby
  • I ended up making the switch to Android
  • I'm on the verge of making the step to Android.
    I still use my Nokia Lumia 930 with WP10 on it as my daily driver which after the well known mic issue was sent for repair and came back as good as new. With my memory getting cluttered I did a factory reset and it's as smooth as a baby's bottom now.
    But;
    I am in no way pleased with how MS is dealing with it's customers. As a Nokia fan I was hesitant to move from Symbian to Windows Phone but it proved me wrong. From day one I loved it.However, the way MS dealt with Nokia really disturbed me. Nevertheless I was open to switching to MS hardware just until now because of the lack of effort put into the ecosystem.
    Nokia rose again under HMD Global with a very clean version of Android Nougat and I'm very tempted to go for their 8 flagship device. I'll wait until the next Future Decoded event in the end of October and if they postpone releasing a Surface Phone again or say it won't happen at all, I'll throw the towel.